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Tuesday, October 15th, 2013, 00:06 UTC
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[00:23:14] jya: is there any compatibility issues with 4TB disks? this is to replace a disk in a RAID5 array (all other disks are 2TB ones)
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[00:24:33] wagnerrp: there was an issue with storage volumes >2TB a while back, but that was only if you were using a 32-bit machine, and has been since resolved
[00:25:24] wagnerrp: an int was used to store the total free space, so at 2TB, it inverted, and the auto-expirer panicked
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[00:27:01] Hydr0p0nX: awesome
[00:27:29] Hydr0p0nX: i happen to be using 2tb drives due to motherboard limitations
[00:27:42] wagnerrp: are you running 32-bit?
[00:27:48] Hydr0p0nX: nope
[00:28:06] wagnerrp: then you never would have been affected
[00:28:23] Hydr0p0nX: oh i know, i just thought it an odd coincidence :)
[00:28:57] wagnerrp: the stink bugs are back
[00:29:10] wagnerrp: i don't know where it is, but i can hear it flying around
[00:31:02] jya: wagnerrp: I was more concerned with a bios issue.. the machine is getting old now; it's a core 2 duo, with a nvidia 9400M based chipset
[00:31:39] jya: i read about motherboard compatibility issues a while back...
[00:32:10] jya: but I can't remember if that had been the case also for 2TB; in which case, it's likely 4TB would be okay as it's currently running 2TB disks.
[00:32:28] jya: now if its > (strictly superior) 2TB; then it could be a problem
[00:33:10] Hydr0p0nX: I had an issue seeing 2 tb disks with this one
[00:33:34] Hydr0p0nX: a small, terrifying, unsupported bios mod later and I could get 2tb working
[00:33:38] Hydr0p0nX: but nothing bigger
[00:34:21] wagnerrp: i believe any EFI board should be capable of handling >2TB drives
[00:34:25] wagnerrp: 2TB is a BIOS limit
[00:34:26] jya: is that to boot the disk only; or the disk wasn't recognised at all?
[00:34:43] jya: I don't want to boot on that disk; it's for a RAID array
[00:35:02] Hydr0p0nX: wasn't recognized at all
[00:35:12] jya: reading about it; it seems to be a MBR issue with bios not able to read more than 2.2TB as the disk must be formatted in GPT
[00:35:36] wagnerrp: i've got a P35 C2D sitting around here, and a couple spare 3TB drives
[00:35:51] wagnerrp: if you give me a few minutes to figure out specifically what case i have this thing in, i can check
[00:36:16] jya: mine is a gigabyte nvidia 9400M controller... can't remember the model
[00:36:57] wagnerrp: closest i've got to that is an AMD nForce 4 with an 8200
[00:37:40] jya: it was a rather interesting concept; it's a 9400M integrated controller (has its own GPU, sata, memory etc..) and could work with a core 2 duo
[00:37:47] jya: much better than the ion based machine
[00:38:17] wagnerrp: mac mini?
[00:38:30] jya: that's the one
[00:38:30] jya: http://www.gigabyte.com.au/products/product-p . . . ?pid=2946#ov
[00:38:33] jya: no PC
[00:38:55] jya: i have a 320M mac mini ; but that's a Core 2 Duo too with intel chipset
[00:39:04] jya: I don't believe apple use anything but intel chipset
[00:39:39] wagnerrp: the prior version of the mini used a 9400M
[00:39:45] wagnerrp: i think kormoc had one
[00:40:04] jya: i had a 9400M based macbook
[00:40:11] jya: hum... seems to be okay:
[00:40:12] jya: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-179538 . . . erboard.html
[00:40:31] wagnerrp: good, because apparently this box doesn't have a power supply in it
[00:40:31] wagnerrp: :)
[00:40:44] jya: from the question; same motherboard, it can't install windows on a 3TB disk; which seems to me that it recognise the disk
[00:40:45] wagnerrp: or a video card for that matter
[00:41:04] jya: which box doesn't have a power supply?
[00:41:18] wagnerrp: the P35 C2D i was going to test a 3TB drive on
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[00:45:11] jya: ah that kind of a problem to test things :)
[00:45:26] jya: $199 for a WD 4TB green
[00:45:39] jya: always amazed on how price changes quickly on those
[00:45:51] wagnerrp: that seems awfully high, but i'm not up on australian pricing
[00:46:26] jya: remove 10% GST
[00:46:35] jya: and the AUD is much lower than it was a few months ago
[00:46:46] skd5aner: $199 for 4TB doesn't seem too high to me??
[00:46:52] skd5aner: in USD
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[00:47:04] wagnerrp: for a green? those things are like $150–160
[00:47:05] jya: that's $170 US withou taxes
[00:47:08] jya: 4TB ?
[00:48:02] jya: I figure a green disk is good enough; despite all the horror stories; never had an issue with a green drive (no more than others).. And by the time it will fail in 3–4 years; you're out of disk space anyway so it's time for new disks
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[00:48:43] wagnerrp: perhaps they've gone back up
[00:48:59] wagnerrp: i was buying 3TB drives for $100-$130 a few months ago
[00:51:21] wagnerrp: admittedly, i was buying them one or two at a time as they came on sale
[00:52:25] wagnerrp: the external drives are under $150, which always baffled me
[00:52:33] wagnerrp: why are external drives cheaper than internal ones?
[00:52:57] jya: 3TB are $133 here; so $114 US
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[00:54:21] jya: the 3TB is a better buy TB/$ ; 13% cheaper
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[01:04:56] rhpot1991: SetStrOption(...recordingtype): Option not in profile.
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[09:24:24] wizbit: what could of caused that?
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[18:59:46] Ribeirsg: Greetings from Portugal :) i wounder if someone could give some help ... i want to install mythtv on a Motorola Vip 1232E is this possible?
[19:07:35] Ribeirsg: Greetings from Portugal :) i wounder if someone could give some help ... i want to install mythtv on a Motorola Vip 1232E is this possible?
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[19:53:27] Ribeirsg: Greetings from Portugal :) i wounder if someone could give some help ... i want to install mythtv on a Motorola Vip 1232E is this possible?
[19:55:40] tgm4883: Ribeirsg, no, not possible
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[20:09:48] Ribeirsg: humm ok and in a vip1216? in a forum i read about a user that have mythtv on one stb like that
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[20:17:14] skd5aner: Ribeirsg: no one, to the best of my knowledge, has ever installed mythtv on an embedded device such as an STB
[20:17:40] skd5aner: if there's a forum that mentions as such, I'd be curious if you could provide a link...
[20:17:48] bill6502: Ribeirsg: Did the user have MythTV running *on* a Motorola Vip 1232E, or was it connected *to* that unit.
[20:19:37] bill6502: skd5aner: We talked back in March about MythTV Android Frontend and your Slave Backend's recordings. I see someone with a name very much like your nick in the G+ group. Is that you and is it working now?
[20:19:44] Ribeirsg: that's a good question
[20:20:59] Ribeirsg: i will try to found the link
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[20:24:45] Ribeirsg: http://www.yetanotherdomain.org/codemonkey/20 . . . ux-part-5-2/ this one of the links i've seen and the other one
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[20:28:11] bill6502: Ribeirsg: That would be MythTV running on a PC with a capture card connected to the Motorola Vip 1232E. I don't know anything about that STB, but the configuration is very common.
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[20:31:38] Ribeirsg: hummm ok that's another thing so in theory a stb is unusable
[20:32:36] Ribeirsg: after i cancel your contract with the company that provides your tv service
[20:33:33] Ribeirsg: after i cancel the contract*
[20:38:03] bill6502: Correct, in that example the user was connecting the STB to a Hauppauge 2250 card that was in a PC. The STB was tuning the cable channels.
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[20:46:25] skd5aner: bill6502: yup, that's me, and yes... the beta version is working now, as far as I've tested :)
[20:50:41] stuartm: in the UK, the company that provides the service usually retains ownership of the STB and they can, but rarely do, take it back when you cancel your subscription
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[20:51:44] stuartm: I don't know why I mention that
[20:51:57] bill6502: skd5aner: Good to hear. And thanks for testing!
[20:53:57] skd5aner: bill6502: do you use it? If so, how do you set up access outside of your network? do you leverage a VPN?
[20:57:51] bill6502: skd5aner: I do use it, but not from outside. If you press menu->FAQ you'll open a browser. In the middle of the page you'll see a link to: Access MythTV Master Backend via SSH, if that helps. I do know there are folks using that, including the lead developer.
[20:58:54] bill6502: Or, I guess I could have just put the link here? https://github.com/MythTV-Clients/MythTV-Andr . . . kend-via-SSH
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[21:12:26] stuartm: port forwarding over ssh is strangely so much easier than setting up a vpn – it shouldn't be, but every time I've started setting up OpenVPN I've lost the will to live
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[21:19:05] skd5aner: stuartm: I can get OpenVPN working pretty well in TAP mode, but can't get TUN working at all on android without rooting and lots of hacks, which make it exponetially more complex
[21:19:35] skd5aner: so... I too, gave up
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[21:27:15] clever: i was able to get my openvpn to work, but it stored the client keys in the android keys storage, which forces a pin code on the lock screen
[21:27:36] clever: and the amazon changes are dumb, if you close the cover for even a fraction of a second, you have to enter the pin code again
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[22:40:17] skd5aner: Hey bill6502, still around?
[22:40:35] bill6502: I am
[22:43:12] skd5aner: got an issue with the android frontend client...
[22:43:20] skd5aner: want to pass it along for me? :)
[22:43:36] skd5aner: I don't have a github account and too lazy to create one right now, nor do I want to post it on g+
[22:44:18] skd5aner: bill6502: I can connect to myth when I'm on my local wifi network, using the home profile, np
[22:45:01] skd5aner: however... when I turn off wifi on my android device, and use 4g, the app is constantly trying to connect to the backend via the home profile (indefinitely) and doesn't allow me to switch to the away profile
[22:45:06] skd5aner: so, I'm stuck
[22:45:41] skd5aner: back key does nothing, menu does nothing, etc...
[22:45:52] skd5aner: I can exit out, that's about it, but if I re-enter, same story
[22:48:01] bill6502: What version are you running (I think *part* of this is fixed.)
[22:49:22] skd5aner: I just updated 10 mins ago
[22:50:19] bill6502: OK, but let's be sure, what does the top of the Navigation Drawer show? MAF 1.20.?
[22:50:26] skd5aner: 1.20.2
[22:50:30] bill6502: tnx
[22:55:16] skd5aner: bill6502: for local, it allows raw streaming and HLS, correct? but for away profiles, is it only HLS?
[22:55:30] bill6502: I need to see when the fix went in. I'll be back. I also don't a data plan (only WiFi) and shutting it off doesn't duplicate the problem you describe. To be honest, I've not had good luck acting as a proxy in the issues list.
[22:55:42] skd5aner: :)
[22:56:13] skd5aner: if I shut off ALL data, then it exits out of the connection screen
[22:56:17] skd5aner: that's the only thing that does it though
[22:57:05] skd5aner: if I do a certain dance of turning off mobile data, and then switching to away, then going and reconnecting the SSH port forwarding, then going back and trying to refresh the connection ,i can get it to work
[22:57:10] skd5aner: but, that's not easy/fun
[22:57:52] bill6502: When it's in the failure mode, what's on the screen (b4 the dance etc?)
[22:58:22] skd5aner: "Connecting... Attempting to connect ot master backend"
[22:58:35] skd5aner: grays out the background screen
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[22:59:25] bill6502: Is that a small 'pop up' (probably the wrong words?)
[22:59:43] skd5aner: essentially, yes
[22:59:46] skd5aner: like a dialog box
[23:00:12] bill6502: OK, good. If that had a "Cancel" button, would that make sense?
[23:00:24] skd5aner: sorry, I'm sure this would be easier if I were to submit it myself – I just don't really want to register for a github account right now :)
[23:00:33] skd5aner: 2 things... a cancel button and a timeout
[23:01:17] skd5aner: cancel button to allow you to tell it to stop trying to connect, and maybe a timeout after 10 seconds to ensure that it just doesn't stay in limbo
[23:02:09] skd5aner: also, the dialog box doesn't tell you WHICH profile it's trying to connect to and you can't tell from what's in the background...
[23:02:29] skd5aner: so, it just says that it's trying to connect to the master backend, but it doesn't tell you which profile it's attempting to use unless it's sucessful
[23:03:37] skd5aner: although, I can tell you... when it does connect... it works very well now :)
[23:04:01] skd5aner: I will say that connectbot doesn't work for me anymore for persistant connections... I see several bug reports spanning a few years where others report the same issue...
[23:04:30] skd5aner: I tried vx connectbot too, which is a fork – same issue, won't persist the connection when the client is backgrounded...
[23:04:44] bill6502: That's similar to my test of doing a Scan Network at setup time and NOT having a backend running. The 'popup' never goes away.
[23:05:02] skd5aner: so, I had to use JuiceSSH, and pay for the premium version... seems to work very very well at SSH port forwarding
[23:05:11] wagnerrp: well that was fun
[23:05:34] wagnerrp: my internet latency spiked around 2500ms for a few minutes
[23:05:45] skd5aner: bill6502: yea, I'm guessing your use case probably presents the same experience, but for different reasons (same basic cause though – the server can't be reached on the "network")
[23:06:05] bill6502: skd5aner: So, I'll take that. Cancel, Timeout and hostname. BUT that's your limit ;)
[23:06:16] skd5aner: heh :)
[23:06:29] skd5aner: 2 reported problems every rolling 12 calendar months ;)
[23:06:54] skd5aner: I do need to get a github account for other reasons... I just have gotten by without one for so long
[23:07:03] skd5aner: and I don't like the non-anonymity of Google + :P
[23:07:10] bill6502: Got a meeting to head to, so I'm out of here. I'll get an issue number and put it here.
[23:07:20] skd5aner: ty sir
[23:07:59] bill6502: Not a big fan of G+, but it's mandatory for the Developer Console beta feature.
[23:08:26] skd5aner: yea, I only have it because I've been forced for things like this
[23:08:59] bill6502: take care
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