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| [00:21:54] | Hydroponx: | evenin' |
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| [00:44:36] | k-man: | are there .debs of .27 yet? |
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| [00:49:24] | k-man: | i see them on deb-multimedia but aptitude seems to only want to get .26 |
| [00:50:33] | Hydroponx: | i just want my remote frontend to work =/ |
| [00:50:34] | Hydroponx: | lol |
| [00:50:46] | Hydroponx: | I haven't made the jump to .27 yet tho |
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| [00:56:13] | k-man: | me either – just working on that now |
| [00:56:54] | k-man: | my machine is very old and slow. compiling takes ages |
| [00:57:10] | Hydroponx: | AH |
| [00:57:38] | Hydroponx: | this is a AMD Phenom(tm) 9650 Quad-Core Processor |
| [00:57:46] | Hydroponx: | per, /proc/cpuinfo :) |
| [00:59:56] | wagnerrp: | use ccache |
| [01:00:17] | wagnerrp: | probably half of it will already be compiled from 0.26 |
| [01:01:14] | k-man: | oh – i did a make clean, just to be sure |
| [01:01:32] | k-man: | i'm fairly sure ccache is already installed too, checking now |
| [01:01:45] | k-man: | yeah, it is |
| [01:01:53] | k-man: | does make clean clean out the ccache? |
| [01:01:56] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [01:02:18] | k-man: | ok, it should be using it then |
| [01:02:27] | k-man: | its only got 2 gig of ram this machine too |
| [01:03:23] | Hydroponx: | wagnerrp, any ideas on this issue i've been fighting ? :) |
| [01:03:30] | wagnerrp: | issue? |
| [01:03:43] | Hydroponx: | trying to get a remote frontend to play live tv |
| [01:03:50] | Hydroponx: | anything recorded works fine |
| [01:08:01] | Hydroponx: | with livetv, i get the message saying you should have received a lock by now... , but i have 100% signal and a partial lock reported |
| [01:09:54] | k-man: | maybe its starting on a non existant channel? |
| [01:10:29] | k-man: | does livetv work on any of the frontends? |
| [01:15:06] | Hydroponx: | tried channels i know work |
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| [01:28:59] | k-man: | ah, i had to add stable backports to debian-multimedia to get .27 |
| [01:29:05] | k-man: | bit confusing that was |
| [01:31:44] | Hydroponx: | i bet ... |
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| [04:19:29] | monkeypet69: | hi all what table are the tranports stored in? |
| [04:19:53] | monkeypet69: | i am having trouble adding channels, I have cleared all the other tables. |
| [04:20:02] | monkeypet69: | wait, |
| [04:20:17] | monkeypet69: | i meant, i deleted my capture card, video sources, then connections. |
| [04:20:22] | monkeypet69: | re-added all. |
| [04:20:38] | monkeypet69: | rescanned, it found some channels,but never updates the channel db. |
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| [04:26:19] | biffhero: | channel database, no? |
| [04:26:23] | biffhero: | channel table, I should say. |
| [04:26:32] | monkeypet69: | yes, channel table. |
| [04:26:34] | biffhero: | I found two tables recently, channel and channel scan |
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| [04:27:45] | biffhero: | My bad. channelscan seems to be data about every time you have done a scan. channelscan_channel seems to be the results of all of those scans. I think that channel is the distilled version. |
| [04:28:08] | biffhero: | My channelscan has 17 rows, is pretty sane, looks like when I have been doing channel scans. |
| [04:28:21] | biffhero: | channelscan_channel has 2983 rows. |
| [04:28:30] | biffhero: | channel has 174 rows. That's good. |
| [04:31:07] | monkeypet69: | there is channel, dtv_multiplex |
| [04:31:34] | monkeypet69: | both are zeroed after I clear capture card, input connections, video sources. |
| [04:36:33] | biffhero: | yeah, I could see those being cleared. |
| [04:36:55] | monkeypet69: | wondering if there is anything left over that is causing the insert to fail? |
| [04:37:25] | biffhero: | I don't know anything about that logic. |
| [04:37:39] | biffhero: | every time I do a scan, I get channels. |
| [04:38:20] | monkeypet69: | do you know when you do a scan, what the output of mythtvsetup on the terminal looks like? |
| [04:38:34] | monkeypet69: | I see the channels being printed there, but not inserted into the db. |
| [04:40:54] | biffhero: | I have a mythtv-setup.log file of 198k, the first line in it is from 9/7/2013, and the most recent line is from tonight. I'll sent it over to you if you would like. |
| [04:42:08] | monkeypet69: | let me try to nuke my db and start clean, my db is more than 10 yrs old. |
| [04:42:34] | biffhero: | wow, I'm only 3 years old |
| [04:43:13] | biffhero: | I seem to have busted something else here, maybe you can tell me how to fix that one. I have a PVR-250 which I tune via serial cable, and now all recordings are coming back blank. |
| [04:43:23] | biffhero: | cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/foo.mpeg is blank, too. |
| [05:04:09] | monkeypet69: | blah, nuked my db, now the scan works. |
| [05:04:19] | monkeypet69: | no idea what went wrong. |
| [05:04:44] | monkeypet69: | however, I can't afford my db being nuked, so now I need to restore it. |
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| [05:11:23] | biffhero: | awesome, the scan got happy. do you have time for a binary search? truncate a table, perform the scan, restore the DB. |
| [05:12:20] | somethinginteres: | Certain channels have graphical glitches in v0.27 where half the screen is lines coloured same as the playing content, other half of the screen is the content playing. The files themselves for both livetv and recordings look fine outside of MythTV in VLC. Ideas? |
| [05:12:55] | monkeypet69: | i was thinking of restoring the old db, overwriting the chans table with the new one from the good scan. |
| [05:19:58] | biffhero: | monkeypet69: that sounds like a good idea. |
| [05:20:40] | biffhero: | somethinginteres: that sounds odd. Have you checked to see if mythtv has any errors on the frontend when it is displaying these improperly? |
| [05:21:07] | somethinginteres: | biffhero: nothing in terminal output but I'll have a quick look at the logs |
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| [05:25:52] | somethinginteres: | biffhero: can't seem to find frontend logs. In mythbackend log there's the line "FinishedRecording(1009_2013-10–06T03:44:40Z) damaged recq:<RecordingQuality overall_score="0" key="1009_2013-10–06T03:44:40Z" countinuity_error_count="0" packet_count="137796"> |
| [05:26:15] | somethinginteres: | biffhero: not sure if that means anything |
| [05:27:15] | biffhero: | somethinginteres: I looked on my frontend machine, in /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log |
| [05:27:36] | biffhero: | somethinginteres: It sure doesn't look good, but if it looks OK on VLC ... |
| [05:28:57] | somethinginteres: | biffhero: yeah that's the strangest part, not a single glitch or skip in any recording on an external player. |
| [05:29:18] | biffhero: | too bad you couldn't tell the mythfrontend to play with vlc. |
| [05:30:29] | somethinginteres: | biffhero: yeah. I do have NO_XV=1 in my .bashrc but if I remove it then video doesn't play at all. |
| [05:31:17] | biffhero: | the frontend won't play video at all if you don't have NO_XV=1 ? |
| [05:37:27] | somethinginteres: | biffhero: it plays it but the screen is either pure green (but with sound) or channels that don't have that half blur problem – get that problem. |
| [05:39:32] | monkeypet69: | for some reason the video playback on mythtv 0.27 seems too fast. |
| [05:39:41] | monkeypet69: | recording playback. |
| [05:40:09] | monkeypet69: | i tried to much with the timestretch, it didn't fix it. |
| [05:40:30] | somethinginteres: | biffhero: sorry, I've confused myself lol. So I DID have no_xv = 1 in my .bashrc but I rem'd it out and if I add it back in it doesn't really fix the problem in fact recordings that didn't have the problem, have the problem. |
| [05:47:32] | somethinginteres: | biffhero: change playback profile doesn't help either it seems. |
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| [13:13:42] | viviana1991: | ciao |
| [13:13:55] | viviana1991: | !list |
| [13:14:07] | viviana1991: | !list |
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| [14:38:53] | Hydr0p0nX: | yay ! |
| [14:39:02] | Hydr0p0nX: | got the remote frontend thing workin' |
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| [15:13:01] | wagnerrp: | so viviana1991 just came on here to see what capabilities our bot had, and then left? |
| [15:13:10] | wagnerrp: | were they skimming for xdcc bots or something? |
| [15:14:23] | jm|laptop: | !trout wagnerrp |
| [15:14:23] | ** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp with a trout on behalf of jm|laptop... ** | |
| [15:15:31] | ** jm|laptop minces to and fro with some pilchards ** | |
| [15:18:31] | Hydr0p0nX: | the problem i was having with live tv was due to the TA blipping |
| [15:21:49] | wagnerrp: | pilchards? |
| [15:21:59] | wagnerrp: | TA? |
| [15:25:00] | Hydr0p0nX: | Tuning adapter |
| [15:31:11] | wagnerrp: | for switched video? |
| [15:31:31] | wagnerrp: | i didn't realize anyone but time warner was doing that |
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| [15:35:04] | Hydr0p0nX: | charter is rolling it out in some places |
| [15:36:07] | Hydr0p0nX: | still dropping frames on the remote frontend, but i think it's because : 1) backed is on wifi 2) remote frontend is a VM |
| [15:36:14] | Hydr0p0nX: | but, i'm off to the grocery store |
| [15:36:21] | wagnerrp: | yeah... those are two big no-nos |
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| [16:11:42] | wagnerrp: | sphery: why do we have the howto pages protected? |
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| [17:44:21] | monkeypet69: | is there an easy way to turn on mysql debugging? I want to find out where an insert is failing into the db. |
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| [17:52:24] | monkeypet69: | Oct 6 10:50:20 mythtv mythbackend[12427]: 2013-10–06 10:50:20.628705 E Scheduler: No capture cards are defined in the database. |
| [17:52:24] | monkeypet69: | Oct 6 10:50:20 mythtv mythbackend[12427]: Perhaps you should re-read the installation instructions? |
| [17:52:27] | monkeypet69: | LOL |
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| [19:44:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: doesn't matter--someone decided (without discussion) that the 0.18 version at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index was better and that's what the mythtv.org homepage links to, now |
| [19:44:57] | sphery: | so, for all practical purposes, the official howto doesn't exist |
| [19:45:27] | sphery: | that said, the idea was people would submit suggestions that could be incorporated or not, after review, so that the official docs aren't wrong |
| [19:46:06] | sphery: | (0.18 version meaning the one that hasn't been updated since 0.18) |
| [19:46:14] | sphery: | and was never an official one |
| [19:46:20] | sphery: | and is very wrong about a lot of stuff |
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| [19:49:20] | Darkchaos: | Hello Guys: I am having a problem with mythtv-frontend |
| [19:50:08] | Darkchaos: | I want to view my recordings, however I only see them under "old recordings" where I am not able to view them |
| [19:50:25] | Darkchaos: | under "watch recordings", there are only the live-tv temporary files.. |
| [19:52:45] | sphery: | Darkchaos: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F |
| [19:56:31] | Darkchaos: | thank you |
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| [20:00:30] | Quantum`: | Has anyone been able to make xbmc work with Myth backend? |
| [20:04:38] | Darkchaos: | < |
| [20:04:57] | Darkchaos: | but not the newest backend I guess |
| [20:06:19] | Darkchaos: | 0.26.0 |
| [20:06:31] | Darkchaos: | but apt wanted me to have a new one I believe |
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| [20:09:17] | Darkchaos: | @ xbmc v12.2 stable |
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| [20:09:52] | Quantum`: | I have it installed (& PVR plugin set up) but it doesn't see any recordings. |
| [20:10:05] | Darkchaos: | that's my problem as well |
| [20:10:13] | Darkchaos: | GOTO LiveTV->Recordings |
| [20:10:16] | Quantum`: | 0.26 here too. |
| [20:10:18] | Darkchaos: | It's just not in the lib |
| [20:10:30] | Quantum`: | O |
| [20:10:48] | Darkchaos: | I am asking #xbmc daily, but somehow that channel is dead |
| [20:11:09] | Darkchaos: | Did you find it? |
| [20:14:21] | Quantum`: | Now my bumblebee setup is screwed, so no 3D accel and xbmc refuses to start. Another days' research... |
| [20:17:29] | Darkchaos: | thats rude |
| [20:18:30] | Quantum`: | Yea, most recent Manjaro upgrade. Usually works... |
| [20:18:43] | ** wagnerrp pokes Darkchaos ** | |
| [20:19:37] | ** Quantum` looks away and wishes wagonerrp would zip up... ** | |
| [20:20:23] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [20:20:53] | Quantum`: | (whups, I got kicked from another channel before for being a smartass) |
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| [20:21:31] | wagnerrp: | unrelated discussion... http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4 |
| [20:23:19] | wagnerrp: | in summary, he went into the development channel to ask the developers for user support, ignoring the fact that many of those developers are in this channel as well |
| [20:23:53] | Darkchaos: | btw accessing ip:6544 leads me to an "empty" page. I see the site design and a warning sing as well as the info-sign, but not text at all |
| [20:24:45] | wagnerrp: | have you disabled javascript? |
| [20:25:23] | Darkchaos: | maybe noscript did |
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| [20:26:18] | wagnerrp: | usually noscript disables anything you have not explicitly allowed |
| [20:27:49] | Darkchaos: | well I changed it to only disable suspicious things, but I whitelisted my box, nothing changes :/ |
| [20:28:44] | Darkchaos: | same issue on IE |
| [20:29:01] | wagnerrp: | is this what you're seeing? http://snag.gy/fv1WB.jpg |
| [20:29:43] | Quantum`: | Sounds like I'm not the only one running TorBrowser. |
| [20:30:42] | wagnerrp: | tor browser is just fine, as long as you make sure it doesn't route traffic to the local network across tor |
| [20:30:54] | Quantum`: | Well I've got a web status page on 6544. I never knew that i there. |
| [20:31:05] | Darkchaos: | yes thats what I get |
| [20:31:17] | wagnerrp: | if that image is what you're seeing, it's because you have javascript disabled |
| [20:31:23] | Darkchaos: | but I am not running tor |
| [20:31:23] | Darkchaos: | hm |
| [20:31:58] | Quantum`: | I'm just using TorBrowser, accessing 6544 through a reverse SSH tunnel from another machine. |
| [20:32:09] | wagnerrp: | Quantum`: the status page has been there for a long time. you may have seen it when it gets wrapped by mythweb |
| [20:32:25] | Quantum`: | Never knew to look there. |
| [20:32:47] | wagnerrp: | the webserver initially just served that status page, but was modified first to support UPNP, and then again for the services API |
| [20:32:57] | Darkchaos: | UPnP not working either :/ seeing the mythtv but vlc wants to route to "vlc://nop" |
| [20:33:10] | wagnerrp: | the full page that is there now is the start of migrating configuration out of mythtv-setup, and into the backend webserver |
| [20:33:19] | Quantum`: | Mythfrontend is seeming out of date these days and I'd like to get xbmc running. |
| [20:33:56] | Quantum`: | Frickin' bumblebee has let me down though, so I can't run xbmc until fixed. |
| [20:34:35] | Quantum`: | Darkchaos: You should have a noscript pulldown that shows the status of all domains trying to run scripts. |
| [20:34:53] | Quantum`: | Mine is in the very lower-left. |
| [20:34:56] | Darkchaos: | seems like either the external IP or the route (why is it needed btw? (esp. when my net is 192.168.0.0/255)) |
| [20:35:14] | Quantum`: | Is your backend local? |
| [20:35:14] | Darkchaos: | well I only have the option to disable all js there |
| [20:35:22] | Darkchaos: | and internet explorer did not work either |
| [20:35:23] | Darkchaos: | no |
| [20:35:40] | Quantum`: | Any firewall violations? |
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| [20:36:20] | Quantum`: | (in my case, Shorewall, violations are in dmesg) |
| [20:37:04] | Darkchaos: | hmm mythweb backend works fine :/ |
| [20:37:16] | Quantum`: | Port? |
| [20:37:28] | Darkchaos: | :80 |
| [20:37:44] | Quantum`: | See what you get with # curl {IP}:6544 |
| [20:37:57] | Quantum`: | Should be a bunch of html gibberish. |
| [20:39:17] | Darkchaos: | yes that works, only the js is not executed |
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| [20:39:51] | Quantum`: | Fails on IE and Firefox? |
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| [20:43:03] | Quantum`: | I gotta cut out. |
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| [20:49:01] | Darkchaos: | wagnerrp: Cannot get UPnP to work :/ |
| [20:50:33] | Darkchaos: | ok it's just my lousy player. WMP does the job, vlc not :O |
| [20:52:22] | Darkchaos: | however UPnP only works for recordings, right? |
| [20:52:52] | Darkchaos: | but as soon as someone watches, a file is created, may i simply watch it then, or does that produce trouble as of increasing filesize etc |
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| [20:58:27] | Darkchaos: | another quick problem: due to a live show, my recording has 30 minutes of "shit" infront of it. is there any good method of cutting it? (I believe that loading the stream to aftereffects and recode it might reduce the quality. Also I don't know wheter that will kill metadata or not |
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| [21:25:54] | Blue1: | have an odd situation where my hdtv will receive the clear qam hd channels over cable, but for some reason, hdhomerun will not find any hd channels. tried in linux and windows – same result — suggestions? |
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| [22:27:08] | johanbr: | Hi. For some channels, which I did not pick up on the initial scan, they don't show up in the EPG. Mythfilldatabase appears to fetch the data from Schedules Direct, it's just that Myth won't show the data in the EPG. |
| [22:27:40] | johanbr: | Does anyone have any suggestions? I've deleted and re-added the channels, and fiddled with every setting I could find. |
| [22:29:13] | johanbr: | Watching the channels works fine, and they're also present in my lineup on the Schedules Direct website. |
| [22:30:45] | wagnerrp: | if you scanned for channels, they likely need to be manually matched up with the XMLTV ID used by schedules direct |
| [22:35:11] | johanbr: | wagnerrp: oh... the xmltvid field shown in the Mythweb channel editor appears to be correct, though |
| [22:35:23] | johanbr: | or is this another setting somewhere else? |
| [22:35:33] | wagnerrp: | then make sure mythfilldatabase runs properly, and it should be able to pull the right data |
| [22:37:13] | johanbr: | I've run it manually several times, and it says it fetches data for the correct number of channels |
| [22:37:49] | johanbr: | but I haven't been able to get it to tell me the precise channels it fetches data for, even at debug loglevel... is there a way to do that? |
| [22:38:03] | wagnerrp: | i'm not sure |
| [22:39:21] | johanbr: | would you happen to know how to do an SQL query for the EPG data, to see if there is any data for those channels? |
| [22:39:26] | oobe: | I am now using debian stable and just added the mirrors for deb multi media but there is no upgrade from 0.26 to 0.27 to does anyone know if I need to use the unstable mirror? |
| [22:39:36] | wagnerrp: | select distinct chanid from program; |
| [22:45:01] | johanbr: | wagnerrp: ahhh, thank you! "select title from program;" shows me a few things that are only on the missing channels, so it appears that the data is there, it's just that Myth doesn't show it |
| [22:45:36] | wagnerrp: | that doesn't make sense |
| [22:45:44] | wagnerrp: | did you somehow end up with two separate databases? |
| [22:48:58] | johanbr: | I'm pretty sure there's only one... I ran the sql query on the mythconverg db, and this is also the one that Myth is set up to use |
| [22:50:02] | Darkchaos: | Is it possible that mythTV's UPnP is buffering quite slowly because another recording uses all hdd-time? |
| [22:53:56] | wagnerrp: | there some discussion in the other channel presently about a few extra characters that seem to have mistakenly made their way into the UPNP interface |
| [22:56:56] | Darkchaos: | in what case do they appear? Everything worked fine and then I re-connected to watch a just recorded recording |
| [22:57:21] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [22:58:54] | Darkchaos: | btw: Why do I only Write ~ 1MB/s when I have 4MB/s as for Video information? |
| [22:59:32] | wagnerrp: | each individual recording should not be more than 2MB/s |
| [22:59:59] | johanbr: | select chanid, callsign, xmltvid, useonairguide, mplexid from channel; shows that all the channels missing from EPG have non-unique mplexid... could that somehow be a factor? |
| [23:00:30] | wagnerrp: | digital channels carry a data stream that can include multiple logical channels |
| [23:00:38] | wagnerrp: | the channel in that table is the logical channel |
| [23:00:43] | wagnerrp: | the mplexid maps to the physical channel |
| [23:00:54] | Darkchaos: | never mind, 4Mbit/s = 0.5MB/s |
| [23:01:49] | wagnerrp: | that's a modest standard definition channel |
| [23:03:08] | Darkchaos: | oh and may it be, that the backend causes my frontend to always hang up and be real slow? |
| [23:03:22] | Darkchaos: | It may be, that the recording kills the whole box somehow |
| [23:03:44] | wagnerrp: | did you do something foolish like stuff your database on your recording drive? |
| [23:04:12] | Darkchaos: | "stuff my database on my recording drive"? I don't understand |
| [23:04:35] | Darkchaos: | What I did, was SIGTERMIng mythbackend and then restart it a few seconds later, whilst it was recording |
| [23:04:45] | wagnerrp: | your database is stored on a filesystem somewhere, and that filesystem is on a hard drive |
| [23:04:53] | wagnerrp: | are you recording to a filesystem on the same hard drive? |
| [23:05:08] | Darkchaos: | yes on /home/tv/Videos/ |
| [23:05:43] | wagnerrp: | mysql (and any other sensible database) uses atomic writes, meaning each and ever write must be flushed to disk before another alteration can be made |
| [23:06:15] | wagnerrp: | mythtv also requires recordings to be flushed to disk once a second, to prevent a scenario where Linux's disk cache fills and the system stalls |
| [23:06:34] | wagnerrp: | when you get the two of them both trying to hit the same disk simultaneously, things crawl |
| [23:06:55] | wagnerrp: | which is why one of the fundamental recommendations is to never record to the disk your database lives on |
| [23:07:31] | wagnerrp: | rotating hard drives might push 150MB/s in sequential IO, but they are awful for random IO |
| [23:07:45] | johanbr: | interesting... "select title, starttime, endtime from program where chanid=1333;" there's a gap in the guide data for my "missing" channels... I have some old program data, then it starts again on October 18 |
| [23:08:06] | johanbr: | well, as long as the data keeps flowing after the 18th, I can live with that |
| [23:08:06] | wagnerrp: | johanbr: are you running mythfilldatabase with the '--dd-grab-all' option? |
| [23:08:07] | Darkchaos: | well but do i have hard mysql action? That box is only for mythbackend and xbmc |
| [23:08:30] | wagnerrp: | mythtv uses mysql heavily |
| [23:09:10] | johanbr: | wagnerrp: I've run it manually with that option a few times, not sure what Myth does as a default |
| [23:09:13] | Darkchaos: | whilst recording? not much data |
| [23:09:43] | wagnerrp: | it does not use that as a default, as it behaves poorly on systems with poorly configured MySQL servers |
| [23:09:48] | wagnerrp: | but it is recommended that everyone use it |
| [23:10:16] | Darkchaos: | however nmon (/proc/diskstats) says the busytime of the drive is 4–8% |
| [23:11:03] | Darkchaos: | nearly no reading activity, every minute 4kb or something |
| [23:11:28] | johanbr: | I just ran "mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all --do-channel-updates --do-not-filter-new-channels" manually, that did not fill in the gap |
| [23:12:59] | Darkchaos: | wooow, whilst running mythfrontend, the disk activity is 100% |
| [23:14:16] | Darkchaos: | however I don't have enough space for an additional drive, and external ones suck |
| [23:14:59] | wagnerrp: | the frontend should be primarily read-only, which shouldn't be much trouble |
| [23:15:14] | wagnerrp: | especially if mysql is configured to eat up a decent chunk of memory |
| [23:15:41] | Darkchaos: | well it's not really configurred (if mythtv does not) |
| [23:16:04] | Darkchaos: | and yes, it was only during the startup of the frontend, which "killed" the system |
| [23:16:44] | johanbr: | wagnerrp: I'll wait a few days and see if there's more guide data coming in, if not I'll investigate further |
| [23:16:48] | johanbr: | thank you for your help! |
| [23:17:36] | Darkchaos: | however mythfrontend is now laggy as hell (but can't tell if that was during the recording through a high workload) |
| [23:17:38] | wagnerrp: | the startup of the frontend is probably generating images for the theme |
| [23:17:56] | Darkchaos: | but I believe that's why Windows buffered |
| [23:18:11] | wagnerrp: | it reads them, scales them, and caches them as pngs |
| [23:18:11] | Darkchaos: | Not really, as the frontend is on another machine than the mythbackend |
| [23:18:24] | wagnerrp: | but until you get into the artwork for recordings and videos, that's still not much data |
| [23:19:01] | Darkchaos: | yes but instead of 10 Transactions/s it pushed up to 200/s or so |
| [23:20:05] | wagnerrp: | which shouldn't be an issue if mysql is decently configured |
| [23:20:16] | wagnerrp: | that said, the default options that most distros ship with is absolutely awful |
| [23:21:58] | Darkchaos: | does mythfrontend buffer if I press pause? |
| [23:23:23] | wagnerrp: | not significantly, although the server may be doing read-ahead buffering through the linux disk cache |
| [23:23:45] | wagnerrp: | it's generally considered that if you need much buffering, you just need a better network |
| [23:24:12] | Darkchaos: | Then I'll do UPnP, it buffers all |
| [23:24:47] | Darkchaos: | uhm, the net is not the problem, I can watch recordings/LiveTV everytime, but not when I'm recording :/ |
| [23:25:07] | Darkchaos: | However I remember wachting live-TV whilst recording without problems |
| [23:25:15] | wagnerrp: | when you're recording, then buffering should not be required |
| [23:25:30] | wagnerrp: | as your server will have several dozen minutes worth cached |
| [23:25:36] | Darkchaos: | May I tweak something with the ring-buffer-size or so (to use more RAM) |
| [23:26:18] | wagnerrp: | livetv has not used a ringbuffer since... 0.20 or something |
| [23:26:31] | wagnerrp: | now, livetv is a recording straight to disk like anything else |
| [23:26:33] | Darkchaos: | but I'm watching recordings atm |
| [23:26:55] | Darkchaos: | Or may it be the problem, that I am watching an active recording? |
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| [23:27:29] | wagnerrp: | if you're watching an active recording, mythbackend will be reading it off disk to stream to the frontend... except it won't be reading off disk, as it will still be stored in linux's disk cache |
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| [23:28:07] | Darkchaos: | well as I am having nearly no read activity it may come off the disk cache |
| [23:28:12] | Darkchaos: | May it be that the cache is slow? |
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| [23:28:38] | wagnerrp: | the "cache" is your computer's memory |
| [23:28:50] | wagnerrp: | whatever is not actively being used by applications gets eaten up by disk cache |
| [23:29:32] | Darkchaos: | so you blame it on the atomic writes? |
| [23:30:08] | wagnerrp: | what exactly are you seeing |
| [23:30:09] | Darkchaos: | let's see what happens when the recording ends in 5 minutes |
| [23:31:18] | Darkchaos: | the recording with feeld 12.5 FPS, so every second frame everything (including audio stops) for a frame and then the next frame comes in |
| [23:31:38] | wagnerrp: | this is using mythfrontend, on a remote frontend, on what operating system? |
| [23:31:42] | Darkchaos: | oh, that's not correct. it's more like waiting 500ms and then watching 500ms film |
| [23:31:58] | Darkchaos: | this is on a MacBook Pro using mythfrontend remotely through wifi |
| [23:31:58] | wagnerrp: | on what kind of network? |
| [23:32:11] | wagnerrp: | wifi... |
| [23:32:12] | Darkchaos: | and then straight 100MBit/s to the box |
| [23:32:32] | Darkchaos: | however using LAN and UPnP on my windows machine doesn't solve the problem |
| [23:32:36] | Darkchaos: | same error |
| [23:33:13] | Darkchaos: | now I have 500 Transfers/s, 100% busy at 2MB/s |
| [23:33:33] | Darkchaos: | must be at the end downloading metadata and detecting commercials or something |
| [23:33:50] | Darkchaos: | now 1MB/s @ 5% busy |
| [23:33:57] | Darkchaos: | yep it ended, having 0 read and 0 write |
| [23:34:02] | wagnerrp: | doing commercial detection will eat up a lot of IO if you allow it |
| [23:34:18] | wagnerrp: | since it's generally going to start too far back to use the disk cache |
| [23:34:27] | wagnerrp: | and will flush out newer data as it's going |
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| [23:35:28] | Darkchaos: | So you say using two disks will work better? |
| [23:36:04] | wagnerrp: | go into the jobqueue options, and tell commercial flagging to operate at lowest priority |
| [23:36:25] | wagnerrp: | that will force it to run artificially slow, with the hope it will stop interfering |
| [23:36:52] | Darkchaos: | well the problem was all before it |
| [23:37:06] | Darkchaos: | and atm it is running: saying "searching logo" |
| [23:37:21] | wagnerrp: | how much memory do you actually have in your backend? |
| [23:37:49] | Darkchaos: | ~8GiB, 1GiB is used and swap is 0MiB of 16GiB |
| [23:38:09] | wagnerrp: | that doesn't sound right |
| [23:38:13] | wagnerrp: | all of it should be used |
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| [23:38:35] | Darkchaos: | isn't swap only used If I need much Mem? More than available |
| [23:38:36] | wagnerrp: | or are you subtracting out the "cached" |
| [23:38:59] | wagnerrp: | no, i'm saying all of the memory on your backend should be in use |
| [23:39:10] | Darkchaos: | all 8GiB? |
| [23:39:14] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [23:39:27] | wagnerrp: | whatever isn't being used by applications should be in use by the disk cache |
| [23:39:45] | wagnerrp: | linux will flush pages out of the cache to make room for more data, or for applications wanting more memory |
| [23:40:24] | wagnerrp: | but if you've done at least 8GB of disk io since powering on the system (and you didn't just close an application that was eating large amounts of memory), nearly all 8GB should be in use |
| [23:40:25] | Darkchaos: | using top I get to 150MiB free in Ram, 6GiB Swap cached |
| [23:40:35] | Darkchaos: | 183MiB buffers |
| [23:40:44] | wagnerrp: | ok, that's reasonable |
| [23:40:46] | Darkchaos: | it's just htop giving me wrong information I guess |
| [23:40:57] | wagnerrp: | "cached" is your disk cache, it's not swap, just listed on the swap line |
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| [23:42:18] | Darkchaos: | hmm |
| [23:44:53] | Darkchaos: | still slow buffering :/ may I have corrupted something, shutting down mythbackend whilst recording? |
| [23:44:59] | Darkchaos: | it worked all well before |
| [23:45:20] | wagnerrp: | should all be fixed by fsck on boot |
| [23:45:35] | wagnerrp: | you wouldn't be able to mount read-write if something was screwed up |
| [23:45:39] | Darkchaos: | i did not reboot |
| [23:45:55] | wagnerrp: | by "shutting down", i figured you meant the machine |
| [23:46:27] | Darkchaos: | no. I am running mythbackend using screen and I wanted to see into the log, but forgot the Detach combination |
| [23:46:33] | Darkchaos: | so I CTRL+C'ed and restarted |
| [23:46:43] | wagnerrp: | not an issue, it should cleanly terminate |
| [23:46:56] | wagnerrp: | and even if it didn't cleanly terminate, it still shouldn't be an issue |
| [23:47:08] | Darkchaos: | and I have to say that even the typing into putty is laggy |
| [23:47:27] | Darkchaos: | so it might be a network issue, but I can't explain why |
| [23:48:17] | wagnerrp: | still over wifi? |
| [23:48:27] | Darkchaos: | hmm 100ms ping on eth0 |
| [23:48:28] | Darkchaos: | no |
| [23:48:36] | wagnerrp: | that's pretty awful |
| [23:48:44] | Darkchaos: | don't understand |
| [23:48:52] | Darkchaos: | aww |
| [23:48:55] | Darkchaos: | now I have 4ms |
| [23:49:06] | wagnerrp: | even 4ms is pretty bad |
| [23:49:10] | wagnerrp: | you should be under 1ms |
| [23:49:20] | Darkchaos: | that was because the buffering of the recording caused trouble |
| [23:49:24] | clever: | i get under 0.1ms, even over wifi, and 3 switches |
| [23:49:40] | Darkchaos: | But you guys have a 1000er net? |
| [23:49:58] | clever: | hmm, its 1.13ms now |
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| [23:50:12] | Darkchaos: | I get <1ms to the router from my device here |
| [23:50:12] | clever: | while streaming a tv show |
| [23:50:20] | Darkchaos: | but the box needs 3ms to the router |
| [23:50:30] | Darkchaos: | I have a clue |
| [23:50:59] | Darkchaos: | That's because I am using that network-over-electricity thing (d-Lan they call) |
| [23:51:24] | clever: | yeah, that will cripple your bandwidth and latency a decent ammount |
| [23:51:27] | wagnerrp: | oh, yeah, that can be problematic |
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| [23:51:39] | Darkchaos: | but even if that would be running only 10MBit, I need to transfer around 6MBit |
| [23:51:49] | jya: | is there a way to make a recording rule so it records a season >= XX ? |
| [23:51:53] | jya: | not juste == XX |
| [23:52:16] | wagnerrp: | no, because mythtv does not know the season number until it has actually recorded it and pulled supplementary metadata |
| [23:52:32] | Darkchaos: | and I didn't change that configuration and had it working before recording that tv show |
| [23:52:41] | jya: | wagnerrp: you can already set to limit the recording to season XX |
| [23:52:59] | jya: | so it can obviously know the season number from the guide |
| [23:53:41] | wagnerrp: | we get "syndicatedepisodenumber" from the guide, but that's generally not a reliable source of season/episode data |
| [23:54:05] | wagnerrp: | i was not aware we were attempting to parse that information out of it |
| [23:54:58] | jya: | on mythweb, you see in the filter: this series, this episode ... |
| [23:55:06] | jya: | not sure what "this series" stands for |
| [23:55:50] | wagnerrp: | thats the 'seriesid' field, which identifies all episodes of that specific show |
| [23:56:10] | wagnerrp: | useful if you've got multiple independent shows of the same title |
| [23:56:39] | wagnerrp: | seriesid identifies the show, programid identifies the specific episode |
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