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| [01:06:33] | Korny: | Hello long time no see |
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| [05:20:48] | Hydr0p0nX: | anyone around? |
| [05:22:55] | Hydr0p0nX: | my tuning adapter says disabled, but i'm able to tune at least one of the channels I was having problems with when the TA was acting up |
| [05:24:35] | DonkeyHotei: | i'm not using a ta on my ceton, so no clue |
| [05:30:03] | Hydr0p0nX: | ah |
| [05:30:50] | Hydr0p0nX: | i just rebooted for the last time to make sure the last config changes work as expected |
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| [07:29:51] | rhovland: | this a good place to make suggestions for mythweb? |
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| [07:33:56] | rhovland: | the sorting in mythweb gets all screwy if you have multiple tabs open |
| [07:34:05] | rhovland: | filtering too |
| [07:44:26] | rhovland: | well, this isn't a good place for suggestions for mythweb, I guess |
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| [10:33:41] | beadle_: | sphery: in record there is an entry for Default (Template). unsetting a few like inactive, user job, etc has it behaving like the other box. I think the bugs that stuartm mentioned are being covered by my not really changing these settings much, and they get set in the ui correctly when not overridden. my theory anyway. wanted to thank for the help. hoped stuartm would be here bu hopefully he sees this |
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| [11:35:58] | raven: | how to disable commercial processing for single programs? |
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| [12:19:44] | loganrun: | what ports are used for retrieving the channel listings |
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| [13:50:47] | wagnerrp: | loganrun... seems to have left |
| [13:51:09] | wagnerrp: | in case he happens to be checking the logs, no port is used |
| [13:51:13] | wagnerrp: | it's an outbound connection |
| [13:51:21] | wagnerrp: | it's randomly selected by your OS |
| [13:58:07] | Hydr0p0nX: | mornin' |
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| [14:05:10] | Hydr0p0nX: | i've got 3x2TB drives allocated for myth, is a storage group or RAID a better option ? the wiki says storage groups, but i'm not sure what the best way to set them up is |
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| [14:06:29] | Kwisher: | does storage group make it a raid? |
| [14:07:14] | Kwisher: | personally, i'd go with raid-5 |
| [14:08:40] | Kwisher: | for redundancy |
| [14:09:39] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea ... storage groups aren't raid, but, myth will balance recordings across multiple storage groups, based on i/o if i remember correctly |
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| [14:17:46] | Kwisher: | are the drives going to be used for oter purposes besides myth? |
| [14:19:32] | Hydr0p0nX: | nope |
| [14:20:51] | Kwisher: | i'd definitely go raid-5 |
| [14:21:10] | Kwisher: | mb have raid onboard? |
| [14:21:39] | Hydr0: | yea, but, it's what the kernel considers fake raid |
| [14:21:58] | Kwisher: | i've had good luck with software raid |
| [14:22:11] | Kwisher: | for file servers |
| [14:22:13] | Hydr0: | yea, that's what i was going to do |
| [14:22:42] | Hydr0p0nX: | errr |
| [14:22:43] | Hydr0p0nX: | sorry |
| [14:22:58] | Hydr0p0nX: | VNC'd into the myth server so i could kill the frontend |
| [14:23:13] | Kwisher: | so you've done software raid before? |
| [14:23:17] | Hydr0p0nX: | oh yea |
| [14:23:27] | Kwisher: | ok, cool |
| [14:24:16] | Hydr0p0nX: | I set all of this up a while back with a hvr-1600 and had nothing but issues |
| [14:25:00] | Hydr0p0nX: | loaded windows to verify it was the card not doing it's job, then ordered a ceton and reloaded myth 2 days ago |
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| [15:37:49] | caelor: | I'm trying to debug an issue with my programdata – QI last night didn't record, because it was identified as "Previously Recorded". looking in my DB, it looks like I have duplicate programid's with episodes from a previous series |
| [15:38:33] | caelor: | (e.g. QI: K-Folk has programid EP13693b, which was also used for QI: Journeys). Is programid expected to be unique? |
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| [15:39:52] | caelor: | data is sourced from XMLTV with tv_grab_uk_rt |
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| [15:43:33] | caelor: | there was a mythtv-users mailing list reporting similar back in January (initial report with The X-Factor, and a follow-up reporting the same issue with QI XL) |
| [15:45:35] | caelor: | I'm guessing my options are to delete the QI: Journeys from Previously Recorded, or disable duplicate detection on that rule? |
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| [15:48:27] | caelor: | I've confirmed it affects QI and QI XL for this week and next week. |
| [15:51:53] | caelor: | unfortunately, the only way I've been able to identify where the duplicate was, was with a SELECT * FROM oldrecorded WHERE programid='EP13693b' – I couldn't figure out a way to identify what was being identified as the previous recording from the UI or MythWeb |
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| [16:17:30] | caelor: | alright. I deleted the record of previous recordings (after identifying them with SQL, and scrolling through the 20,000 entries in the list took some time...), and the behaviour is back to what is expected. |
| [16:21:06] | caelor: | So definitely a data source problem, but the only indication of it was a "missed" recording, so to the naive user it would be mythtv at fault. It took some digging and figuring out how Myth uses program data to trace it. |
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| [16:43:50] | raven: | is there any way to record/include iptv to mythtv? for example to enter custom wmv/mp4/flv/... stream urls? |
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| [17:04:37] | caelor: | raven: there has been some support in myth for quite some time, originally put in to support the French FreeBox service. It used an m3u file to specify the streams. I've never used it, but I was under the impression it had been used elsewhere too |
| [17:05:12] | caelor: | and I believe that the release currently in RC now also supports HLS IPTV streams, and possibly more robust IPTV support. |
| [17:06:23] | caelor: | I think IPTV support was primarily rtsp until recently, when http capabilities were added. But unfortunately, I've no practical experience of using it |
| [17:09:27] | raven: | caelor, which plugin do i need? |
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| [17:10:30] | caelor: | I believe it's set up as a source like any other tuner, in the "Capture Cards" section of mythtv-setup |
| [17:11:01] | raven: | ok |
| [17:11:02] | caelor: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:MythTV . . . apture_Cards suggests its so |
| [17:11:43] | caelor: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FreeBox might also be helpful in setting up |
| [17:12:12] | caelor: | I suspect you'll have to craft an m3u to identify the streams |
| [17:13:04] | raven: | so you mean i have one m3u i put all streams in i find online and add it as "network recorder"? |
| [17:15:21] | caelor: | we're out of my experience here, but as far as I know the streams have to be defined in a single m3u file, with the appropriate mythtv extensions (like in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/SureWest_IPTV ) |
| [17:15:43] | caelor: | the information you need to put in there would normally be in some technical documentation from your IPTV provider |
| [17:16:54] | caelor: | it might be helpful to share which provider you're expecting to use – then somebody might be able to advise with some real experience |
| [17:19:05] | raven: | no wait – its no iptv provider. i simply mean single channels like the online stream of nasatv |
| [17:21:05] | caelor: | ok. So I've read about some people having success with nasa tv, but haven't tried it myself. I think there's only a small handful of available IPTV channels that are generally available. I was under the impression that NasaTV was HLS, but I could be wrong |
| [17:21:47] | caelor: | I suspect that you'll have a much easier time with the 0.27 RC for IPTV. I know at least one of the devs has put a lot of time in improving it for 0.27 |
| [17:25:52] | caelor: | it might also be worth sticking around for a few hours for a few more people to be active in the channel – you might find some people with more experience of IPTV in myth |
| [17:27:54] | raven: | ok tnx so far |
| [17:29:00] | caelor: | no problem. There's a lot of great knowledge, but unfortunately it's not always here 24/7! |
| [17:29:22] | raven: | yes sometimes its really quiet :) |
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| [18:24:53] | lux_2: | hi |
| [18:25:43] | lux_2: | mythtv just missed a showing it should record. the epg displays "channel +0 later showing". why did it miss the recording? |
| [18:32:30] | caelor: | the "later showing" suggests it believes it found it at a later time in your listings. What show was it? |
| [18:33:27] | lux_2: | yep it's repeated at a later time. but the repeat is neither scheduled for recording. and why would it wait for a second recording? |
| [18:35:25] | caelor: | the ins and outs of the scheduler are complex (or magic, depending on your perspective). I've noticed my system deferring recordings for a later time, unexpectedly, on occasion. It normally comes down to some weird interaction with priorities |
| [18:35:44] | caelor: | do you have any non-zero priorities set on any of your rules, sources, channels, etc? |
| [18:36:05] | lux_2: | there was no other show to record, can't think it's a priority issue |
| [18:36:41] | lux_2: | caelor: afaik not, i never set any priorities, i left the defaults |
| [18:37:06] | caelor: | what version of mythtv are you running, and are you able to put the backend log around the time it should have recorded into a pastebin? |
| [18:37:32] | caelor: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Posting_Logs for help with the pastebin'ing |
| [18:37:48] | lux_2: | i'm running 0.26-fixes |
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| [18:38:35] | caelor: | depending on the log level that you're running, the backend log may or may not have information to help, but if you could pastebin it then someone might be able to make some suggestions |
| [18:42:20] | lux_2: | caelor: http://paste2.org/nNHh0sv5 |
| [18:44:18] | lux_2: | can't see anything in the log :/ |
| [18:44:21] | caelor: | what prgram, channel and time did you expect it to record? |
| [18:46:01] | lux_2: | the recording should have started at 9:28 |
| [18:50:22] | caelor: | did you mean 19:28? |
| [18:50:43] | lux_2: | oh yeah, 19:28, sry |
| [18:51:12] | caelor: | that's alright. I'm guessing you're expecting 2 minutes pre-roll. Was that set up in the recording rule, or in mythtv-setup? |
| [18:53:34] | lux_2: | i've set the default recording rule to record +4 minutes before and after a showing |
| [18:53:53] | caelor: | are you using any slave backends, or just a single backend (the master)? |
| [18:54:19] | lux_2: | single backend |
| [18:54:38] | caelor: | ok, there was a recording that started at 19:30:43 – did the listings have that starting at 19:35, or 19:30? |
| [18:55:47] | caelor: | there are some errors from the backend not being able to find files to expire – is the reason that you can think of that mythtv thinks the files should exist, but then can't find them? |
| [18:56:13] | lux_2: | dunno why it complains about missing files :o |
| [18:56:23] | lux_2: | oh right |
| [18:56:32] | caelor: | they look to be recordings from July |
| [18:56:47] | lux_2: | there were issues with the tuner once and two shows didn't record, that must be the missing files |
| [18:57:23] | lux_2: | not so far back i thought though |
| [18:57:25] | caelor: | they would have shown up in the frontend as greyed out once Myth tried to access the files and couldn't find them |
| [18:58:20] | lux_2: | they are displayed with a black square instead of the preview |
| [18:58:23] | lux_2: | image |
| [18:59:11] | lux_2: | the show i wanted to record started at 19:32, so the recording should have started at 19:28, but that was the show that mythtv missed to record |
| [18:59:19] | caelor: | in MythWeb, yeah, I'd expect that (and possibly in the frontend) |
| [18:59:43] | caelor: | ok. Do you know what tuner you would have expect it to record on? |
| [18:59:48] | lux_2: | huh. |
| [18:59:50] | lux_2: | wtf |
| [19:00:08] | lux_2: | now the recording is there in the watch recordings list oO |
| [19:00:47] | caelor: | strange. You might want to check you've not somehow got multiple mythbackends running on that machine |
| [19:01:02] | caelor: | it shouldn't happen, but I've seen it in the past, and it was... unpredictable. |
| [19:01:37] | lux_2: | i can imagine that this would cause trouble |
| [19:01:45] | caelor: | but, at least you got your recording! |
| [19:02:21] | lux_2: | yeah, but it's weird. it's not displayed as recorded in mythweb tv listing |
| [19:02:54] | caelor: | I think from looking at the log that it'll be difficult to trace back exactly what happened. Does it appear in the MythWeb recorded programs list? |
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| [19:04:24] | lux_2: | yep it's there |
| [19:04:50] | caelor: | strange. Could you pastebin the result of " ps auxxx | grep mythbackend " |
| [19:05:53] | caelor: | mainly to check for running mythbackend processes – feel free to remove any usernames if you wish |
| [19:06:26] | lux_2: | caelor: http://paste2.org/95U3KzLH |
| [19:06:32] | lux_2: | only one process running, i alredy checked that |
| [19:07:44] | caelor: | ok :) it's very strange then. Do all your tuners appear as available or recording in the backend status? |
| [19:10:04] | lux_2: | yep all there and not recording |
| [19:12:18] | caelor: | so it seems that the recording occurred, but wasn't logged and didn't mark the item as recorded. Is there a later instance of the program that could record? |
| [19:14:09] | caelor: | it may also be worthwhile running the "optimize_mythdb.pl" script to check there isn't a DB table issue |
| [19:15:43] | lux_2: | yep the show will repeat once, but the repeat is neither scheduled |
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| [19:16:05] | lux_2: | can i run the optimize mythdb script while mythtv is running? |
| [19:17:19] | caelor: | yes. It basically just connects to mysql and runs an optimize/repair table. It'll increase DB server load, and disk traffic, so I wouldn't recommend while recording it if your system is marginal on either of those, but it basically just defrags the db tables |
| [19:18:09] | caelor: | and shouldn't disturb mythtv's access to those tables while it's happening (other than making it marginally slower) |
| [19:19:21] | lux_2: | mythtv has automatically created backups in case something goes wrong, right? |
| [19:19:22] | caelor: | there are some people who recommend running it daily via a cron job |
| [19:20:19] | wagnerrp: | mythtv automatically creates backups during schema updates |
| [19:20:28] | lux_2: | so it's save to run this script? |
| [19:20:30] | wagnerrp: | any other periodic backups are up to you to configure |
| [19:20:57] | lux_2: | does mythbuntu create automatic backups by default? |
| [19:21:28] | lux_2: | because i have mythconverg-$date.sql.gz files in the recordings directory |
| [19:21:46] | caelor: | the script does not do an initial backup. I won't discourage you from doing a backup yourself (I'd expect a script called "mythconverg_backup.pl" or similar), but it shouldn't be needed |
| [19:22:01] | caelor: | that would likely be automatically created by myth when it did its last schema update |
| [19:22:50] | lux_2: | hum yeah there's a week between backups, that might be when i did system/mythtv updates |
| [19:22:55] | caelor: | I don't think mythbuntu automatically does periodic backups. You could run mythconverg_backup.pl via cron if you wished to do that |
| [19:23:29] | IReboot: | Is it just me or is MythWeb response significantly slower under 0.27-fixes when making a recording rule or schedule change? RCx whatever. |
| [19:23:41] | lux_2: | guess i'll set up automatic backups, yep. how often is recommended? once daily? |
| [19:24:01] | wagnerrp: | completely up to you |
| [19:24:32] | caelor: | it's a trade off. If you set it up weekly, and you lose your DB the day before the next backup, you'll lose 6 days of recordings (give or take). |
| [19:25:00] | wagnerrp: | is it a bad thing when you buy a bluetooth dongle, and the drivers come on a mini-CDR? |
| [19:25:01] | caelor: | but frequency and strategy of backups is a highly subjective area... |
| [19:25:25] | caelor: | I've not needed a driver CD for years. |
| [19:25:53] | caelor: | I was just always grateful for the egg-cup coaster they provided me with when I bought something like that |
| [19:25:57] | wagnerrp: | i'm just getting at the fact that it's such low volume, they couldn't even stamp them |
| [19:26:00] | wagnerrp: | it's on a CDR |
| [19:26:15] | caelor: | true. |
| [19:26:33] | wagnerrp: | no label or anything |
| [19:27:10] | caelor: | I was going to suggest that maybe the cost difference between a pressed disc and a CDR might be so marginal that there was no justification to get the master pressed |
| [19:27:35] | caelor: | but I don't think I've ever seen a mini-CDR for purchase |
| [19:28:46] | IReboot: | wagnerrp: My cable company (Rogers) updated the menu software on my STB (Cisco4642HD) and now the firewire channel change script does not work for channels higher than 99. |
| [19:29:26] | wagnerrp: | that's annoying |
| [19:29:58] | IReboot: | Spent the last 2 days trying to figure out the new codes. Even doing a brute force attempts. All my pay stations are inaccessible to my HDPVR. |
| [19:30:29] | caelor: | lux_2 I don't think we'll find an explanation for why that recording didn't show in the logs, but then appeared in the recordings list (but possibly not in the oldrecorded table). I've not heard of any known issues like that |
| [19:30:43] | lux_2: | that crontab entry is correct right? want to make a backup once daily at 14:00 "0 14 * * * /usr/share/mythtv/mythconverg_backup.pl" |
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| [19:31:34] | lux_2: | i think this has happened before already. but in that case the recording was really not recorded and didn't show up even later. |
| [19:31:58] | caelor: | that will run at 2pm each day, yes. Normally the recommendation for maintenance tasks is to run overnight, and not on an hour boundary (just for load spreading purposes). But it should work |
| [19:32:33] | lux_2: | the machine might be turned off at night, that's why i chose 14:00 |
| [19:32:47] | caelor: | fair enough |
| [19:33:21] | lux_2: | and there are no recordings at this time, so it should be fine |
| [19:34:36] | caelor: | my best suggestion at this point would be to restart the backend at some convenient point, and possibly run with some additional logging in case it happens again |
| [19:36:25] | caelor: | wagnerrp – any suggestions on appropriate log levels to trace why an expected recording didn't start? |
| [19:36:31] | lux_2: | ok if it happens again i'll enable additional logging. what logging options should i enable? |
| [19:36:58] | wagnerrp: | what type of tuner? |
| [19:37:56] | lux_2: | dvb-t |
| [19:38:41] | caelor: | the recording we were looking into tonight was marked record later, with no obvious later recording, no suggestion in the logs that the MBE tried to record, and yet it later appeared in recorded programs, but still didn't indicate recorded in guide data (although the appearance of the recording in this instance isn't consistent with previous behaviour) |
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| [22:54:37] | raven: | how to change mythweb passwd? |
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| [23:43:23] | kusznir: | Hi all: anyone know if MythTV works well with movable satelite dishes (eg, NOT DirecTV/DISH)? I'm thinking of FTA signals, using a DVB-S2 tuner card. |
| [23:43:45] | kusznir: | eg, a tuner like: http://www.amazon.com/TBS6981-Tuner-Internal- . . . =DVB-S2+pcie |
| [23:48:11] | [R]: | myth doesnt care how the signal gets to the tuner |
| [23:48:21] | raven is now known as __raven | |
| [23:50:32] | kusznir: | [R]: True....allow me to refine my question: If I have a motorized dish and a pcie card such as the above capable of commanding/controlling a dish motor, does mythtv have the ability to understand certain channels are on certain satellites and thus need to move the dish as part of the tuning? |
| [23:50:55] | [R]: | yes, myth supports rotors |
| [23:51:38] | kusznir: | (or do cards like the above memorize that and myth just tells it the satellite:transponder:feed it wants, and the card does it? (and for that matter, does Myth have a concept of a container of channels (satellites) where multiple different channels may have the same frequency settings, but different satellites? |
| [23:51:51] | kusznir: | [R], cool, thanks; where would I find info on setting them up? |
| [23:52:20] | [R]: | in the documentation |
| [23:52:22] | [R]: | in the setup program |
| [23:55:16] | __raven: | how to change mythweb passwd? |
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