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Saturday, August 24th, 2013, 00:02 UTC
[00:02:41] tgm4883: wagnerrp, seems to be sphery
[00:03:00] tgm4883: well, maybe not, that was from a few days ago
[00:03:50] wagnerrp: yeah, few days ago sounds right
[00:03:56] DonkeyHotei: could this work with a ceton infinitv? http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/dvbhdhomerun/
[00:04:14] wagnerrp: i've been AFK since about 30 minutes before i came online
[00:04:58] wagnerrp: DonkeyHotei: as i understand it, that shouldn't be used by anyone, including HDHR users
[00:05:01] tgm4883: wagnerrp, Aug 21 06:56:30 <sphery> [04:32:19] wagnerrp: yeah, now mythjobqueue only has a blocking connection when it's actually processing jobs, but will allow backend shutdown when jobs are complete
[00:05:07] tgm4883: thats all I got
[00:05:19] wagnerrp: it's only a very partial implementation of the Linux DVB spec
[00:05:42] wagnerrp: in any case, no, you could not use it with an infinitv
[00:05:48] wagnerrp: but then i don't know why you would want to
[00:07:15] DonkeyHotei: wagnerrp: it's slightly offtopic, but that appears to be the preferred method of using an HDHR with xbmc
[00:07:49] wagnerrp: we use silicon dust's network library internally
[00:08:17] DonkeyHotei: but not for ceton, i'm assuming
[00:08:42] wagnerrp: for ceton, we use a custom library that interfaces with their web API
[00:08:57] wagnerrp: still over the network, but a very different protocol
[00:09:02] DonkeyHotei: oh.
[00:09:28] DonkeyHotei: you think any changes would be needed for the new infinitv 6?
[00:09:42] wagnerrp: six tuner model?
[00:09:51] DonkeyHotei: i linked it earlier
[00:09:53] wagnerrp: presumably it would use the same interface
[00:10:10] wagnerrp: our existing library may make the assumption that all devices have four tuners
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[00:10:32] DonkeyHotei: http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/18/ceton-ship . . . -pcie-tuner/
[00:10:33] DonkeyHotei: http://cetoncorp.com/products/infinitv-6-pcie/
[00:11:29] wagnerrp: ethernet or PCIe, it's still accessed over the network
[00:11:35] DonkeyHotei: the nice thing about the 6-tuner one is that 4-tuner ones suddenly keep popping up used on e-bay
[00:11:48] wagnerrp: all cablecard tuners operate in that manner
[00:12:07] wagnerrp: it's an isolation mechanism, to prevent users from tampering with the device
[00:12:40] DonkeyHotei: ceton apparently makes usb, eth, and pcie models
[00:12:56] wagnerrp: all accessed over the network
[00:13:12] DonkeyHotei: my preference would be for a pcie device
[00:14:28] wagnerrp: for development, an ethernet attached one is mighty convenient
[00:14:59] DonkeyHotei: also for having one less box
[00:15:14] wagnerrp: it's external, meaning one more box
[00:15:27] DonkeyHotei: sorry, misread
[00:15:44] DonkeyHotei: but yes, eth makes sense for that
[00:16:02] wagnerrp: but it's not directly connected to one machine, so you don't have to use funky work-arounds like bridging the hard-wired devices onto the local network to access them on a test machine
[00:18:40] DonkeyHotei: word has it ceton's firmware is itself linux
[00:25:03] wagnerrp: entirely possible
[00:25:20] wagnerrp: it's basically a little embedded pc, sitting at the other end of a virtual network
[00:34:09] ** croccydile quietly punches himself in the face **
[00:43:33] DonkeyHotei: [Tue 2013-08–20 02:14:00 AM PDT] * croccydile punches himself in the face
[00:43:34] DonkeyHotei: [Fri 2013-08–23 05:34:10 PM PDT] * croccydile quietly punches himself in the face
[00:43:44] DonkeyHotei: nasty habit
[00:44:30] croccydile: This IR blasting crap will be the end of me
[00:52:34] DonkeyHotei: what is supposed to receive the IR?
[00:58:27] wagnerrp: an external tuner, like an STB
[00:59:43] croccydile: Yeah STB
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[01:00:01] Blue1: I am getting this error opening jump program file buffer when trying to change channels in live tv — it is stuck on a channel I don't care to watch.
[01:00:03] croccydile: After a huge amount of effort I may finally have some results... substituting a different STB seemed to have worked
[01:04:45] croccydile: Now I want to strangle myself though
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[01:13:05] mattwj2002: hi guys
[01:13:28] mattwj2002: has anyone had any experience with mythtv frontend app in android?
[01:13:46] mattwj2002: it has offically endored by the core mythtv team I guess
[01:14:48] mattwj2002: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id . . . tv&hl=en
[01:15:39] mattwj2002: I am scanning and nothing is coming up
[01:15:40] mattwj2002: (
[01:15:42] mattwj2002: :(
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[01:19:50] bill6502: mattwj2002: I have it running. Have to leave right now, but will be back in 1/2 hour or so. Have you looked at the Wiki for tips: https://github.com/MythTV-Clients/MythTV-Andr . . . /wiki/_pages
[01:20:07] mattwj2002: thanks bill6502
[01:20:08] mattwj2002: )
[01:20:09] mattwj2002: :)
[01:21:46] bill6502: If you're scanning for backends and seeing nothing, look at the Configuration Suggestions, especially the avahi comments. Or, just enter the BE's IP address directly.
[01:22:52] mattwj2002: okay
[01:22:54] mattwj2002: thanks bill6502
[01:23:22] mattwj2002: bill6502: do you know if this is actually offically supported by mythtv?
[01:31:11] Blue1: I am getting this error opening jump program file buffer when trying to change channels in live tv — it is stuck on a channel I don't care to watch.
[01:43:00] mattwj2002: bill6502: I got it fixed thanks
[01:43:24] mattwj2002: Blue1: is your frontend a piece of crap like mine?
[01:43:28] mattwj2002: :)
[01:48:27] mattwj2002: Blue1: a raspberrypi with the correct purchased codecs runs better for rendering than my desktop :(
[01:50:30] wagnerrp: sounds like there's something wrong with your desktop
[01:51:54] mattwj2002: hi wagnerrp are you talking to me?
[01:52:02] mattwj2002: or Blue1?
[01:52:20] mattwj2002: you guys told me my desktop was a slow piece of crap
[01:52:20] wagnerrp: if an RPi renders things better than your desktop, there's something wrong with your desktop
[01:52:24] wagnerrp: what is it?
[01:52:35] mattwj2002: you want the model number?
[01:52:42] wagnerrp: CPU, graphics
[01:52:55] mattwj2002: how do I get the graphics in linux?
[01:53:18] wagnerrp: you don't know off hand?
[01:53:26] mattwj2002: ATI something
[01:53:29] mattwj2002: no I don't
[01:53:35] wagnerrp: oh, ATI something...
[01:53:40] wagnerrp: yeah, that doesn't work well under linux
[01:53:57] mattwj2002: wagnerrp: how do I check my graphics in linux
[01:53:58] mattwj2002: :)
[01:53:59] wagnerrp: nevermind where it's a "piece of crap", you're likely going to run into driver issues
[01:54:15] wagnerrp: dmesg? lspci?
[01:54:31] wagnerrp: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:56:56] mattwj2002: hmm
[01:57:10] mattwj2002: I am getting a lot of failed messages on that last command
[01:57:31] wagnerrp: as mentioned, sounds like something is wrong
[01:57:38] mattwj2002: I wonder if the ATI propriety driver would be helpful?
[01:58:02] wagnerrp: it's hard to understand just how slow and underpowered an RPi is
[01:58:28] wagnerrp: buggy drivers or some severe misconfiguration are about the only way it should perform better than any "desktop"
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[01:59:21] mattwj2002: got ya
[02:00:05] mattwj2002: wagnerrp: I have a confession
[02:00:21] mattwj2002: I haven't tried the frontend on this system since I rebuilt the software
[02:00:33] mattwj2002: I know before it was a piece of crap
[02:00:40] mattwj2002: I assumed it was hardware though
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[02:07:05] bill6502: mattwj2002: MythTV Android Frontend communicates with MythTV via its Services API, which is an "official" part of MythTV software. Support for MAF is done by a different set of folks, as you probably guessed when you saw their Wiki on github.
[02:08:50] Blue1: mattwj2002: I am running a quadcore machine — with hdhomerun.
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[02:11:04] Blue1: i couldn't submit or view my hardware profile – comes up with an error.
[02:11:17] wagnerrp: smolt is a bit buggy at the moment
[02:14:28] mattwj2002: okay cool bill6502
[02:15:10] wagnerrp: awesome, new drives came with power adapters
[02:15:46] wagnerrp: i was expecting to have to go out and buy a few tomorrow
[02:16:05] mattwj2002: wagnerrp: I see that fglrx wasn't install on my system
[02:16:06] mattwj2002: :)
[02:16:28] wagnerrp: honestly, you're probably no better off with fglrx than you were with whatever you were using
[02:16:35] wagnerrp: fglrx is notoriously buggy
[02:16:58] mattwj2002: besides a new computer...any recommendations?
[02:17:09] wagnerrp: need to see some actual specs
[02:17:23] mattwj2002: a few moments please
[02:17:45] mattwj2002: ubuntu packages download really slowing even though I have 30 Mbps down
[02:17:49] wagnerrp: the easiest solution to most linux graphics woes is just "buy an nvidia card"
[02:17:51] mattwj2002: or 25 whatever it is
[02:18:01] mattwj2002: not with this piece of crap :)
[02:18:08] mattwj2002: no expansion slots
[02:18:25] wagnerrp: how do you have a desktop with no expansion slots?
[02:18:32] mattwj2002: correct
[02:18:58] mattwj2002: as in none on the motherboard not none available
[02:24:29] wagnerrp: is this one of those all-in-one battery-less laptops?
[02:24:49] mattwj2002: pretty much yeah
[02:24:54] mattwj2002: external ps
[02:28:17] mattwj2002: wagnerrp: found it
[02:28:18] mattwj2002: Radeon HD 6310
[02:28:38] mattwj2002: AMD E-300 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics
[02:29:18] wagnerrp: yeah, your only hope is if you can get fglrx and VAAPI working
[02:29:43] mattwj2002: wagnerrp: fglrx or should I try the driver directly from ati?
[02:29:52] wagnerrp: they should be the same
[02:29:57] mattwj2002: oh okay :)
[02:31:04] wagnerrp: otherwise, that CPU is too weak to handle HD MPEG2 on its own, even if you can get opengl working
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[02:32:47] mattwj2002: thanks for the info
[02:32:51] mattwj2002: I'll see what I can do!
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[02:34:16] mattwj2002: which it shouldn't be wagnerrp....it is the HD version of graphics....I would think they would match the cpu accordingly
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[02:35:13] mattwj2002: then again they didn't even give me a pci or pci -x slot
[02:35:13] mattwj2002: :P
[02:35:52] wagnerrp: except they're following the same pattern as the RPi
[02:36:03] mattwj2002: what pattern is that?
[02:36:08] wagnerrp: they give you a lot of GPU with the expectation you're going to be doing hardware decoding and don't need CPU
[02:36:34] mattwj2002: got ya
[02:36:49] wagnerrp: they also expect you're going to be running windows, and actually have reliable support for that hardware decoding
[02:37:43] mattwj2002: well wagnerrp this is what I get for buying a computer for around $250
[02:37:44] mattwj2002: :)
[02:37:52] wagnerrp: it's a beefier CPU than any atom on the market, but then it's still below the limit
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[02:40:23] mattwj2002: wagnerrp: that isn't saying much :P
[02:40:24] Blue1: let me see what card I have I am not sure
[02:40:52] Blue1: I have this: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] (rev a2) works fine.
[02:40:52] Blue1:
[02:41:25] mattwj2002: at least you have nvidia graphics :P
[02:41:39] Blue1: mattwj2002: that seems to work better the ati — YMMV applies
[02:42:05] Blue1: mattwj2002: that is with the default nouveau (sp) driver
[02:42:31] mattwj2002: I wish I had a descent NVIDIA graphics card
[02:42:35] mattwj2002: and a better CPU
[02:42:43] Blue1: what do you have?
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[02:42:59] mattwj2002: (09:28:17 PM) Matt: Radeon HD 6310
[02:42:59] mattwj2002: (09:28:37 PM) Matt: AMD E-300 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics
[02:43:13] Blue1: :-/
[02:43:23] wagnerrp: $240... http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=17586749
[02:43:52] Blue1: I was pretty much told I could not get myth to work on debian — it is a herculean effort – and I am still learning.
[02:44:09] wagnerrp: you could go lower with a cheaper board, but i had a hell of a time getting an ivy bridge CPU to work with an older 6x series board
[02:44:41] Blue1: i have an old amd2 quadcore (asrock) — sfsg
[02:45:03] mattwj2002: I use to have a better quad core
[02:45:08] mattwj2002: a brown out took it out
[02:45:09] mattwj2002: :(
[02:45:16] wagnerrp: warranty?
[02:45:33] Blue1: well my old board (asus m3a) litterally went up in flames.
[02:45:48] mattwj2002: wagnerrp: I doubt they would cover it
[02:45:49] wagnerrp: a quadcore is overkill for anything mythtv needs, unless you're serving up HLS to multiple users
[02:45:57] mattwj2002: it was a custom build
[02:46:11] Blue1: wagnerrp: yup, but it is my home entertainment centre — it works.
[02:46:21] wagnerrp: that shouldn't matter
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[02:46:45] Blue1: I watch a lot of "quality challenged" (aka "B" movies) off of you tube.
[02:46:57] wagnerrp: Blue1: hopefully not in your entertainment room
[02:47:19] mattwj2002: I would really love to be an "eight core" system
[02:47:20] Blue1: wagnerrp: it's in my l/r --
[02:47:20] mattwj2002: :)
[02:47:36] mattwj2002: I use quotes because I heard it was more like 4 cores with HT
[02:47:58] wagnerrp: it's like HT on steroids
[02:48:17] wagnerrp: Blue1: i'm not one of those nutters who thinks any fan in the living room is a crime
[02:48:23] wagnerrp: but surely that must be a bit noisy
[02:49:02] Blue1: this is a sample: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtV3N9zRrJs
[02:49:15] wagnerrp: mattwj2002: the trouble is that the "eight core" AMD chips don't really have any computational unit you could call a "core"
[02:49:29] mattwj2002: really?
[02:49:32] mattwj2002: what does it have?
[02:49:36] Blue1: wagnerrp: I underclocked the cpu to 1G — no fan noise — of course being partially deaf helps
[02:49:42] mattwj2002: something like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284 would be awesome
[02:49:49] wagnerrp: so rather than trust their customer base is intelligent enough to understand what a "module" is, they say it has eight cores
[02:50:22] wagnerrp: bulldozer and piledriver have a "module" consisting of a traditional core and an extra integer unit
[02:50:30] Blue1: wagnerrp: that would make a dandy heater in the winter back east
[02:50:47] mattwj2002: I haven't looked at the benchmarks on that chip but I am guessing it is really fast
[02:50:48] mattwj2002: :)
[02:51:17] wagnerrp: rather than using SMT (hyperthreading) to logically run additional threads in your pipelines free space, they double the number of physical pipelines
[02:51:42] mattwj2002: interesting
[02:51:56] wagnerrp: the trouble is that pair of integer units still gets fed by the same decoder, and has to vie for the shared FPU
[02:52:15] mattwj2002: FPU?
[02:52:26] wagnerrp: now all of that shared hardware is more powerful than the previous STARS (Phenom II) architecture
[02:52:35] wagnerrp: it's not double the size to handle double the execution space
[02:52:35] Blue1: fpu = floating point unit
[02:52:39] mattwj2002: oh okay
[02:52:46] mattwj2002: math process in the old days
[02:52:47] mattwj2002: :P
[02:53:00] Blue1: crunchy cpu (tm)
[02:53:03] ** mattwj2002 thinks back to his 386 :P **
[02:53:06] wagnerrp: so if you're doing simple integer tasks, they work great
[02:53:16] wagnerrp: if you're doing multimedia tasks, they work not so great
[02:53:24] ** Blue1 likes 386 — my first pc was a 286 **
[02:53:39] Blue1: actually.....nope it was a ti 99–4a
[02:53:39] wagnerrp: better than a core, worse than two cores
[02:54:10] mattwj2002: got ya wagnerrp
[02:54:41] wagnerrp: depending on the workload, an older 6-core STARS chip would outperform a 4-core bulldozer chip
[02:54:50] wagnerrp: 4-module, rather
[02:55:13] mattwj2002: crazy
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[02:55:58] wagnerrp: the second issue is that they're getting right back into the same trouble intel did on the P4
[02:56:04] mattwj2002: heat?
[02:56:11] wagnerrp: pipeline length
[02:56:23] wagnerrp: while an individual transistor can switch at extremely high frequencies
[02:56:35] wagnerrp: in order to actually do any work, you need to chain together thousands of transistors
[02:56:49] mattwj2002: let me guess latency kicks in?
[02:56:51] wagnerrp: and each of those in the path need to switch and stabilize at the next value before the end of the clock cycle
[02:57:11] wagnerrp: so, we develop superscaler architectures
[02:57:29] wagnerrp: instead of having that big long string of transistors that performs an operation in one cycle
[02:57:38] wagnerrp: we break it up into several stages, and each stage takes one cycle
[02:57:45] Blue1: like carl sagan sir? billions and billions?
[02:57:51] wagnerrp: smaller stages means higher clock speed
[02:58:10] Blue1: no what that was micky d's
[02:58:22] wagnerrp: and even though a single operation takes the same amount of time, you can have multiple operations in various stages of completion in the pipeline stages
[02:58:52] wagnerrp: the trouble is that you have to keep that pipeline filled
[02:59:25] wagnerrp: and when your next operation depends on the outcome of the first, that means branch predictors to predict that outcome and stage up that operation under the assumption that's what you're going to want to run
[02:59:36] wagnerrp: when you screw up, you have to flush the pipeline and start over
[02:59:44] wagnerrp: which takes one cycle for however long the pipeline is
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[03:00:18] wagnerrp: so long story short... long pipelines mean high clock rates, but more complex branch predictors and higher penalties for a failure
[03:00:38] wagnerrp: the old P3 had a 12 stage pipeline
[03:01:01] wagnerrp: the P4 went up to 20, and then 30, and then 36, all in an effort to reach their megahertz goals
[03:01:20] wagnerrp: and each time, real world performance kept getting lower and lower because of those branch prediction penalties
[03:01:58] wagnerrp: AMD really cranked up the pipeline length in bulldozer, which is why their clock speeds are so much higher than their previous generation
[03:02:49] wagnerrp: and while they improved the decoder/predictor from the previous generation, they're hitting it on both sides by making a longer pipeline and having it feed two separate integer units
[03:09:02] wagnerrp: oops, don't pull the live drive out of the RAID array
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[08:54:26] MPW: Hello, I'm trying to enable the remote acces on my mythbackend. I in stalled mythtv-backend-master from the mythtv/0.27-repo (ubuntu 13.04). I read that all the communication between backend and frontend runs through the mysql server. So I binded my mysql-Server to the ip of the server 192.168.178.92. But I can not grant access to the mythconverg-database: mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'%' identified by 'mythtv'; Query OK, 0 r
[08:54:28] MPW: ows affected (0.00 sec). Any ideas for me?
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[16:20:16] Kwisher: hello, i need help getting my secondary backend to connect to my master
[16:21:08] wagnerrp: what error are you getting?
[16:21:34] Kwisher: in mythweb on status page it is showing as not connected
[16:21:46] wagnerrp: i mean logs
[16:21:50] wagnerrp: what error are you seeing in your logs
[16:22:03] Kwisher: on which machine?
[16:22:08] wagnerrp: the slave backend
[16:23:10] Kwisher: mythbackend.log?
[16:24:03] wagnerrp: yes
[16:24:18] Kwisher: Aug 20 20:00:29 garage mythlogserver: mythbackend[3448]: E CoreContext mythdbcon.cpp:216 (OpenDatabase) Unable to connect to database!
[16:24:26] wagnerrp: well there's your problem
[16:24:29] wagnerrp: fix your database
[16:24:47] wagnerrp: chances are its only configured to listen locally, and is refusing access from the network
[16:25:00] Kwisher: when i run the test from mythbuntu control centre it tests fine
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[16:32:11] bill6502: Kwisher: I'd pastebin the whole log (for one attempt to start the slave.) But, does the Control Center run as the same user as the backend (could be 2 different config.xml files.)
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[16:33:02] Kwisher: i've edited all the config.xml files to make sure the user name and password match the mbe
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[16:38:52] bill6502: And this line in the slave's BE log has one of those files: .... (InitializeMythDirs) – Using configuration directory = ??????
[16:40:18] bill6502: *files = directories
[16:40:59] Kwisher: http://pastebin.com/bKFCdFyv
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[16:44:21] wagnerrp: bill6502: have you ever heard of a hard drive that wasn't designed to be used non-stop?
[16:44:59] wagnerrp: can't connect to local mysql server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'
[16:45:10] wagnerrp: sounds like you're telling it to access a local mysql server that simply doesn't exist
[16:45:30] wagnerrp: in a mythtv cluster, there is only one database, served up by only one mysql server
[16:45:45] wagnerrp: you can have it where ever you want, but ever application on every machine must connect to the same server
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[16:47:03] bill6502: wagnerrp: nope
[16:49:20] bill6502: but he changed something. in the later/last errors, it's: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'garage.localdomain' which sound like a grant problem. but, I don't use the mythbuntu control center and have no idea how it makes the test. e.g. using a hostname vs. an ip address
[16:49:38] wagnerrp: oh, this is multiple instances of the backend?
[16:49:59] wagnerrp: ... this is why the internal logging was designed to spawn a new file each time the backend was restarted
[16:50:32] wagnerrp: ok, access denied means you never granted permission to that user/host/password combination
[16:50:44] bill6502: it is, and i ALAWYS use --logpath.
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[16:51:05] wagnerrp: GRANT all ON mythconverg.* TO 'mythtv'@'garage.localdomain' IDENTIFIED BY 'whateveryourpasswordis';
[16:51:17] bill6502: and sometimes i ALWAYS use it
[16:51:50] wagnerrp: Kwisher: ^^^ log into the database server as the administrator, and enter that command
[16:52:06] ** wagnerrp needs to go downstairs and check on a potential failed hard drive **
[16:52:13] wagnerrp: s/hard drive/fan/
[16:54:47] Kwisher: the password for mythconverge?
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[16:55:59] bill6502: Kwisher: Right, but in order to change it, you must login as the DB admin. For me, thats the SQL root user.
[16:56:17] Kwisher: i'm logged into it using webmin
[16:56:27] wagnerrp: nope, fans are all good
[16:56:35] wagnerrp: don't know why those three disks are reading hot
[16:56:50] wagnerrp: ... to be honest, i don't even know where those three disks physically are
[16:57:39] Kwisher: bill6502: i get a mysql syntax error
[16:57:47] bill6502: Kwisher: Sorry, I haven't used that tool. You should be able to see some existing permissions for mythtv
[16:58:02] wagnerrp: you get a syntax error when you run that command i gave you?
[16:58:14] Kwisher: yes
[16:58:54] wagnerrp: you copied and pasted it?
[16:59:06] wagnerrp: (aside from changing the password)
[16:59:10] Kwisher: yes
[17:01:11] Kwisher: ok, got it, left the single quotes off
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[17:01:36] wagnerrp: stupid ntp server...
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[17:01:52] wagnerrp: it boots up before my modem, and tries (and fails) to run ntpdate on boot
[17:02:15] wagnerrp: so i end up on january 1, 2000, with no NTP server, until i remember to log in and fix it
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[17:03:01] wagnerrp: not too bad, only 430M seconds off...
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[17:08:41] Kwisher: bill6502: now what?
[17:08:52] wagnerrp: that should be it
[17:09:54] Kwisher: still seeing the connection error in logs
[17:10:08] wagnerrp: try the mysql command "flush permissions;"
[17:14:25] Kwisher: can you be more specific, syntax error
[17:14:49] wagnerrp: oh, "flush privileges;"
[17:15:42] Kwisher: ok, that worked
[17:16:14] Kwisher: the command
[17:27:04] Kwisher: according to webmin the user mythtv has no permissions
[17:29:36] bill6502: You can look at/pastebin the output of these: SELECT PASSWORD('enterYourMythTVPasswordHere'); and SELECT user,host,password FROM user WHERE user = 'mythtv'; I just don't know what webmin does.
[17:34:20] Kwisher: it used to be so easy pre .25, just install mythbuntu conrol centre and add the secondary backend and it just worked
[17:37:17] bill6502: Are you getting the same error when you try to start the secondary BE? I can tell you that I added one in 0.27-pre and had no problem, but I don't use MCC.
[17:40:08] Kwisher: yes
[17:41:02] bill6502: Did the 2 SELECT commands return expected results?
[17:43:18] bill6502: Here's an example: http://pastebin.com/mLWhsjfP
[17:47:40] bill6502: Wondering if the error message is converting the IP address to a hostname. I'd try the same GRANT/FLUSH as before with your IP and wildcard(s.)
[17:48:12] Kwisher: i'm very mysql illiterate :(
[17:50:56] bill6502: *shouldn't* need to use it at all. as is frequently mentioned on the -users list and this channel
[17:52:48] Kwisher: i'm uninstalling everything mythbuntu and mythtv related
[17:53:19] Kwisher: if i just install mythtv-backend it should work, correct?
[17:55:28] bill6502: sorry, i don't know. you could end up in exactly the same place...
[18:10:23] Kwisher: got it working by just installing mythtv-backend
[18:11:09] Kwisher: had to change passwd in /root/.mythtv/config.xml and restart backend
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[18:12:42] bill6502: you're starting the BE as root? as opposed to letting Upstart do it in /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf automatically
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[18:16:24] bill6502: sudo ls -ld {/root,~mythtv,/home/$USER}/.mythtv Perhaps they are all symbolic links to the same file.
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[18:25:41] Kwisher: yes, there are 3 copies of config.xml
[18:25:54] Kwisher: they all updated
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[18:39:27] Kwisher: now i have one remaining problem
[18:40:13] Kwisher: i have a hdhr-prime
[18:40:24] Kwisher: with cable card
[18:40:53] Kwisher: if i am watching live tv on one tuner and start a recording on another tuner
[18:41:17] Kwisher: i get an error "video frame buffering failed too many times"
[18:44:13] bill6502: i've got an hdhr^ and cc too but don't watch much livetv. i can give it a try in a bit. but, i'm running on master
[18:44:33] Kwisher: this happens on my master
[18:46:09] bill6502: actually, i was referring to git master, 0.27-beta, but on my master BE too, as opposed to a secondary
[18:49:52] Kwisher: ah, ok
[18:50:05] Kwisher: how's .27 working for ya?
[18:52:29] tgm4883: I may be coming in to this very last minute and didn't read all of the backlog, but didn't Kwisher slave backend say it was trying to connect to a database on localhost?
[18:52:48] bill6502: Kwisher: very will, thanks. OK, i've got an HD recording that will start recording in 10 minutes and i'm watching another HD movie now. we'll see what happend.
[18:53:44] tgm4883: oh wait, nm. yea, if you are running the backend as root you are doing something wrong
[18:55:51] Kwisher: not running it as root, just starting and stopping it as root
[18:56:46] tgm4883: Kwisher, again, I'd argue that you are doing that wrong
[18:56:57] tgm4883: why ever start it as root?
[18:57:38] tgm4883: if you are starting the backend outside of the upstart scripts, it's trivial to start it as the mythtv user vs the root user
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[18:58:02] tgm4883: if you are using the upstart scripts, then unless you edited the scripts it will start the backend as the mythtv user
[18:58:24] Kwisher: i've always done it as root in the past, it starts at boot
[18:58:47] bill6502: tgm4883: you're referring to --user mythtv in mythtv-backend.conf right?
[18:59:10] Kwisher: i'm assuming???
[18:59:42] tgm4883: bill6502, correct
[19:00:12] tgm4883: Kwisher, just because it starts at boot, doesn't mean it is starting as root
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[19:00:51] Kwisher: i know that, just always thought it took root to start and stop the be
[19:01:14] bill6502: the pastebin earlier did show the backend is referencing /home/mythtv/.mythtv. so all's well
[19:01:55] tgm4883: bill6502, that was on the slave backend, he said he had to change /root/.mythtv on his master backend I thought
[19:02:12] tgm4883: /root should never be referenced in the logs I think
[19:02:39] Kwisher: tgm4883: had to change config.xml of slave to match master be
[19:04:33] bill6502: it wasn't in the backend logs and i questioned that too, no need for /root/.mythtv to exist
[19:04:57] tgm4883: Kwisher, as long as it works now I suppose that is good, but I have a feeling that in the future this is going to turn into "I did X and mythtv completely broke. Mythtv sux"
[19:05:03] tgm4883: i've seen it way to many times
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[19:11:44] bill6502: Kwisher: My LiveTV program works fine and I presses r to keep it recording then exited LiveTV. The show that started at 2PM is also recoring OK and I can watch it without any problems. The following did spew in my backend logs for a while:
[19:11:46] bill6502: 2013-08–24 14:06:21.177755 I [3062/7422] ProcessRequest ringbuffer.cpp:1097 (WaitForAvail) – RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/storage/livetv/4632_20130824184938.mpg): Waited 0.2 seconds for data
[19:11:48] bill6502: to become available... 229376 < 425984
[19:12:07] bill6502: but note that it's just an I(nformational) message.
[19:14:10] Kwisher: tgm4883: i've been running mythtv for many years now
[19:17:19] Kwisher: think i started with .16 and mint-5
[19:19:38] tgm4883: that seems slightly unlikely, maybe a later version of mythtv?
[19:20:09] Kwisher: could be, been too long for my short memory
[19:20:46] tgm4883: Kwisher, probably closer to mythtv 0.21
[19:21:45] Kwisher: ya, that sounds right
[19:22:51] wagnerrp: i wasn't even around for 0.16
[19:22:58] wagnerrp: i think i started with 0.17 or 0.18
[19:27:59] bill6502: tgm4883: "And Now for Something Completely Different" Doesn't Mythbuntu have a system to receive core dumps? I'm asking because I get frequent ones out of several myth* programs. (#10867 ) I'd expect there would be alot of them e.g. several/day/host.
[19:27:59] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10867 **
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[19:57:07] clever: bill6502: 'man core' and search for core_pattern, it can do things like /media/mainlv/cores/core.%e.%p.%h
[19:57:29] clever: which throws core dumps from every program under every user (assuming write perms, and ulimit -k is set right) to the same dir
[19:57:55] clever: and now that you remind me, i notice, i have 12gig of core dumps in that dir...
[19:58:32] clever: all from a single program i made (it crashes 8000 times..., i should fix that)
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[20:01:51] bill6502: tnx, but 'im getting the core dumps just fine. just curious if its just me and recalling that Mythbuntu had an automatic method for collecting data
[20:02:29] clever: ah, i belive there is also a flag to run a program after generation the dump, try doing cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern
[20:02:35] clever: that should show if that flag is set
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[20:05:02] mattwj2002: hi all
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[20:44:46] dekarl1: bill6502: are you thinking to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport or https://errors.ubuntu.com/?package=mythtv&period=month&nb sp;?
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[20:48:42] Kwisher: anyone know about adjusting overscan manually with xorg?
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[20:49:27] bill6502: dekarl: thanks, that's exactly what i was trying to think of. now i just need to look through those and see if 10867 is just something i'm seeing or if it's more common.
[20:49:32] wagnerrp: if you're only planning on using mythtv, don't bother
[20:49:37] tgm4883: bill6502, you need to install the debug packages for mythtv, then use apport to submit it
[20:53:34] bill6502: understood. it's just that i get a few per day, and one of the triggers was moving from 10.04 to 12.04, that i'm trying to see if others are getting the same thing. the other thing that happened about the same time they started was 0MQ/mythlogserver
[20:55:22] Kwisher: where is the backend startup script/command located?
[20:55:40] bill6502: tgm4883: i checked out a copy of remotes/origin/devel/logging and ran 1000 tests with no core dumps
[20:56:01] tgm4883: Kwisher, /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf
[20:56:10] Kwisher: thx
[20:57:57] Kwisher: and how do i make sure it is being ran at boot?
[20:58:22] tgm4883: unless you put in an override file, it is
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[22:00:29] Kwisher: what does input priority control?
[22:00:57] wagnerrp: if you have multiple inputs that can record the same channel, it weights that input higher than others
[22:02:01] Kwisher: so it should probably match the scheduler priority?
[22:08:35] Tobbe5178: anyone have experience with systemd and setting blockio weight?
[22:09:06] Tobbe5178: specificly how do you set the default weight from 1000 to 500 for all processes so i can increase the weight for mythbackend
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[22:30:55] bill6502: Kwisher: Good, if not log, description here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/536030#536030 at least look at the 2nd to last paragraph. FWIW, I never use them.
[22:31:14] bill6502: *log=long
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[22:39:21] Kwisher: bill6502: thx for the help
[22:39:38] bill6502: np
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