Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, August 15th, 2013, 00:00 UTC

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Blue1:

sphery: this is what I got http://pastebin.com/vzv2PUwN

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jm|laptop:

Blue1: are you giving your inputs names?

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Blue1:

jm|laptop: I will try that now!

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sphery:

Blue1: is that after you did the "Delete all ..." steps?

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sphery:

specifically, do the errors occur after then

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sphery:

or are they showing on startup

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sphery:

they're only importing if they show after the "Delete all ..." steps

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jm|laptop:

or indeed important

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sphery:

but, yeah, you do need to give Video Sources names when you create them

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jm|laptop:

if I'm using one card to idemux two mutexes, one of which is 5.1 and one of which is 2.0, mythtv shouldn't have a problem with this, should it?

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jm|laptop:

I'm trying to work out if/when/why mythtv/my\ decoders decided to only record stereo from these channels where 5.1 was available

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sphery:

are you sure it's only recording one audio channel

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sphery:

did you go into MENU in playback and look under Audio to see if there are multiple channels

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sphery:

and/or use + to switch audio channels

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jm|laptop:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/9nrpKxZ1

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jm|laptop:

sphery: weird is that since I stopped the backend and messed around with dvbsnoop etc. like you suggested, Live TV on that channel is now 'working'

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jm|laptop:

I've scheduled some more recordings for tomorrow to see what happens

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Blue1:

different error when exiting mythtv-setup – http://pastebin.com/A1FvftjQ still have issues with it saying the capture card is NOT bound to the video source on mythbackend

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jm|laptop:

Blue1: something looks to be holding the card

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jm|laptop:

Blue1: pgrep -lf backend and/or lsof | grep dvb0

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Blue1:

jm|laptop: they both returned nothing – however, I noted that mythtv is running as root as well

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Blue1:

ps -ef showed: root 5473 3361 0 17:06 ? 00:00:00 sshd: mythtv [priv]

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jm|laptop:

Blue1: lsof | grep dvb

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Blue1:

l brb

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Blue1:

jm|laptop: let me paste the output

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Blue1:

jm|laptop: http://pastebin.com/b0ZHfJsb

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jm|laptop:

o.O

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jm|laptop:

Blue1: are you in a position to reboot that box?

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Blue1:

jm|laptop: affirmative

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jm|laptop:

then restart one backend

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jm|laptop:

either that or run that lsof command as root

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Blue1:

jm|laptop: it is rebooting – i did an init 6

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Blue1:

jm|laptop: after rebooting the lsof as root showed nothing

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Blue1:

jm|laptop: backend still complaining it is not bound.

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jm|laptop:

oh

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Blue1:

got this error message 'HDPVR150' is defined, but is not attached to a card input. tells me I probably f'd the setup

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jm|laptop:

well

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jm|laptop:

you might not have made connections between your cards and your inputs

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Blue1:

jm|laptop: i think I did NOT – the setup to be honest is confusing.

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Blue1:

jm|laptop: are there some guides on that?

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jm|laptop:

a very very quick Google search found this

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jm|laptop:

http://wiki.ubuntu.com.cn/UbuntuHelp:MythTV/Install/mythtv-setup

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jm|laptop:

not entirely ubuntu-centric

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jm|laptop:

start at "Capture Cards"

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jm|laptop:

afk

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Blue1:

jm|laptop: the backend is UP

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Blue1:

how do I setup mythtv-setup properly to scan for channels on u.s. cable? there seems to be a lot of combinations of channel frequencies, etc.

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clever:

Blue1: depends on what your capture card is and where you get the listings from

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Blue1:

clever: I am using a wintv pvr 150

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Blue1:

and comcast

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clever:

if your using schedules direct, you shouldnt have to scan

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Blue1:

clever: how would I check that? I am new to mythtv but not linux.

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clever:

you would know if you where using schedules direct, you have to sign up on that site and add it as a lineup in mythtv-setup

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Blue1:

clever: the channel scan show no signal strength

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Blue1:

clever: nope then I am not using it.

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[R]:

does comcast egven have analog channels anymore?

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Blue1:

no, they are all digital

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clever:

then you cant use the scanner in myth to tune the channels on a pvr150

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[R]:

the 150 is analog...

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Blue1:

clever: suggestions then?

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Blue1:

clever it is supposed to receive atsc channels

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clever:

you will loose some quality, but use the composite input and an ir blaster to change channels on the cable box

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clever:

the pvr150 is ntsc 480i only

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Blue1:

clever: okay I could use a cable box

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Blue1:

clever: what tuner would allow me to receive the cable channels?

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clever:

Blue1: the simplest one, is the box comcast gave you

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Blue1:

clever: no no – what capture card would allow me to use the qaf singals from cable?

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clever:

that would also require the channels to not be encrypted

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Blue1:

clever: also how do I setup mythtv-setup to tell it to use ntsc. the channels are NOT encrypted.

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Blue1:

clever: so the pvr 150 won't do ota either?

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clever:

nope, only analog ntsc/pal

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Blue1:

clever: what a better pvr?

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clever:

Blue1: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Video_capture_card . . . apture_Cards

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Blue1:

on my way

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Blue1:

that unfortunately does not tell me manufactuer information

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Blue1:

looked again I have the haupauge 950q

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Blue1:

not 150

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[R]:

lol

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Blue1:

it is late...

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Blue1:

anyway the chanel scan on mythtv-setup doesn't seem to work

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[R]:

did you a) set it for qam b) actaully have unencrypt3ed channels availble

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Blue1:

[R]: yes unencrypted channels — there are several qam options — which is the correct for u.s. cable?

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[R]:

several? theres like 3

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Blue1:

[R]: right but I don't know the difference between them. when I do a channel scan it always shows signal strengh of zero.

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[R]:

so try them all

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[R]:

try scanning only a single channel taht you know is there

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Blue1:

[R]: I have tried them all. which is why I am here.

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[R]:

sounsd like either its not plguged in... bad signal... or its broken

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Blue1:

[R]: the big issue, seems to be, the signal strengh is is bad.

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Blue1:

[R]: I suspect it is broken. although it is less then 30 days old. What have you used that works?

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Blue1:

[R]: so still in return window – whew! It has taken several weeks to get mythtv up and running.

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[R]:

i have some ati thing

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[R]:

just get an hdhomerun

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[R]:

problem solved

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Blue1:

okay I was going to ask about that. thanks.

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Blue1:

[R]: thank you. I think that will be less headaches.

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Blue1:

ordered, and return tickets for the old unit printed. -

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Darkchaos_:

is there anything I can use to have a complete channel list instead of sapping through the whole channels in the frontend

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jm|laptop:

Darkchaos_: Manage Recordings > Schedule Recordings > Programme Guide sort of shows them

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jm|laptop:

Darkchaos_: you can amend your channels with mythweb too

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rambo3:

hello

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rambo3:

is the a chess plugin for mythtv

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sphery:

rambo3: no, but you could install MythGame (which is basically a program to run executables on your system) and run any chess application you lik.

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rambo3:

is there a fishing addon for mythtv

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Vollstrecker_:

Hey guys, I still got problems playing dvd's from storage-groups. I tried so far: copied the dvd just to the disk, ripped with dvdbackup and created an image of the rip, I get different errors on each method, I turned on libav an media verbose logging. How can I get more output to help me finding whats going wrong?

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Vollstrecker_:

Unencrypted dvd for sure.

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Vollstrecker_:

When starting the dir, where I just copied the dvd (which itself plays fine when inserted in dvd-drive, I get: http://pastebin.com/QsbWxd9U

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Vollstrecker_:

When creating an iso of that dir, it just tells me: libdvdnav:DVDOpenFileUDF:UDFFindFile /VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO failed

[14:14:21]

Vollstrecker_:

Is there any aditional info to get about this?

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sphery:

Vollstrecker_: When using a DVD "folder" on MythTV, you have to use a very specific format/naming (including capitalization). Much easier is to just use a DVD ISO--not an ISO of an "already-ripped-to-directory-structure" DVD, but an ISO of the actual DVD.

[14:17:01]

sphery:

that said, your specific problem is that MythTV cannot play encrypted DVDs

[14:17:21]

sphery:

therefore, you'll have to install something on your system that can decrypt them before MythTV gets the data

[14:17:30]

sphery:

we use libdvdnav/libdvdread

[14:18:02]

sphery:

and if it's legal in your part of the world, you can install libdvdcss, which libdvdread/libdvdnav will use to decrypt the DVD before MythTV sees the data

[14:18:40]

sphery:

but note, also, that the only way that will work is if the DVD ISO is "local" to the frontend--i.e. on a local file system or a network-mounted file system

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Vollstrecker_:

So far so good, libdvdcss is installed and works for bought dvds, I have the problem with an selfcreated dvd without encryption.

[14:19:56]

Vollstrecker_:

Where can I read about this specific format/naming (including capitalisation)?

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sphery:

specifically: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Video_Library#Disadvantages

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Vollstrecker_:

The intresting part is: that the file it claims it can't find, is there, exactly as it searches for, and vlc can play it from the iso.

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sphery:

you're better off just using a single ISO image

[14:21:57]

sphery:

but it has to be a DVD ISO--not just a generic ISO (i.e. must be an "authored" DVD)

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Vollstrecker_:

k, so from the ripped dvd, I start dvdauthor to get it authored, and the create an iso of that?

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sphery:

that sounds about right--but I haven't done it for (literally) 10 years, so I may not remember the details

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Vollstrecker_:

I think that shouldn't be the problem, I have it documented somewhere.

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sphery:

but, basically, I think you need to do VIDEO_TS directory, and all caps on that, if you do the "expanded" file system approach

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sphery:

but it just clutters up everything under your videos SG

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Vollstrecker_:

I had copied the whole dvd, so foldernames have been the same as on the dvd. VIDEO_TS folder, VIDEO_TS.IFO and VTS_01_1.VOB and so on.

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Vollstrecker_:

What do you mean when you say it clutters up erverything? I have a folder named like the Movie, and in there, the VIDEO_TS which should play when opened.

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sphery:

just that you have tons of files on the file system where a single file would suffice (and be easier to manage)

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Vollstrecker_:

Maybe I get an working iso from that dir afterwards, I just want to get it working before taking the next step and clean it up.

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sailerboy:

hey, i'm going to be buying a cable card to bring with me next year to college so i can watch tv on my computer. I'd like to have a mythtv setup, so i'd like for the cable card to work well under linux. As far as i know, the tv at my uni isn't encrypted, but it is digital. What's the best card to get?

[15:02:18]

sailerboy:

ideally, PCI-E interface

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sphery:

sailerboy: I think you mean "capture card" (or capture device)... CableCARD is a means of using subscribed-to services protected by conditional access and/or DRM on a cable TV system. (Where, in GNU/Linux, CableCARD only allows you to access channels protected by conditional access, not protected by DRM.)

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sailerboy:

i mean capture card yes

[15:05:20]

sailerboy:

the tv is unencrypted at my uni, so i don't need to decode anything

[15:05:22]

sailerboy:

but it is digital

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sphery:

as for what tuners to get, you just need something supported by V4L/DVB API that supports the proper format

[15:05:28]

sphery:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

[15:06:02]

sailerboy:

i looked at that site

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sailerboy:

but i don't really understand what all the dvb/atsc/dmb/whatever means

[15:06:28]

sailerboy:

as far as i can tell, dvb-c and atsc is only used in europe

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sphery:

assuming uni is in US, ATSC is the digital format

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sailerboy:

oh, it is?

[15:07:10]

sailerboy:

what does the ntsc tuner mean?

[15:07:14]

sailerboy:

seems that many of them don't support it

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sphery:

DVB is basically everywhere except North America, ATSC is the US's "we can't use DVB because it's Not Invented Here, so let's change DVB enough to make it incompatible and make vendors create all-new equipment for it"

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sphery:

NTSC is the old analog format used in the US (and many other countries)

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sailerboy:

haha

[15:08:52]

sailerboy:

so i want a tuner that supports NTSC?

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sphery:

note, though, that ATSC is the Over-The-Air (OTA) transmission

[15:09:01]

sailerboy:

this is cable though

[15:09:02]

sailerboy:

not ota

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sphery:

and QAM is the cable-TV transmission

[15:09:21]

sailerboy:

QAM?

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sphery:

but nearly all (or just plain all?) current ATSC cards should support QAM

[15:09:27]

sailerboy:

there's no QAM on that site

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sailerboy:

oh

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sphery:

Quadriture Amplitude Modulate

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sphery:

look under atsc and there's probably a column that says whether it supports qam

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sailerboy:

ok yes

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sphery:

yeah, on http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_Cards , for example

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sailerboy:

i see that

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sailerboy:

so i guess that the HVR-2250 is the best then?

[15:10:53]

sailerboy:

since it supports all the things?

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sphery:

of those, I have the HVR-2250, and I love it

[15:11:06]

sphery:

but I do /not/ use the NTSC tuner/encoder on it

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sailerboy:

is there anywhere cheaper than newegg to get it??

[15:11:20]

sphery:

so it's basically just 2 HVR-1250's in a single slot

[15:11:29]

sailerboy:

also, can you view OTA with the propper antenae?

[15:11:48]

sphery:

Note, also, that you might be able to use something like a Silicon Dust HD HomeRun

[15:12:06]

sphery:

http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/atsc/

[15:12:35]

sphery:

which is basically a "self-contained" computer that has the atsc tuners and makes the streams available via ethernet

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sailerboy:

the 2250 is cheaper than that

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sailerboy:

and i'd rather have everything in my computer

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sailerboy:

rather than dealing with another box to cart between uni and back

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sphery:

well, the HDHR3 at $99.99 = 3 tuners, the 2250 = 2 tuners

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sailerboy:

and possibly losing it

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sphery:

but, yeah, choose what works best--just saying that HDHR is often an option

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sphery:

though I won't guarantee it without knowing specifics of your university's cable system :)

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sailerboy:

does this help sphery? http://www.lmu.edu/about/services/cbs/cablevision.htm

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Silicondust_HDHomeRun for more on HDHR

[15:15:33]

sphery:

those aren't technical specifics, but likely QAM is what they're using

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sphery:

I'm just saying please don't blame me if it's not :)

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sailerboy:

haha

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sailerboy:

so then...

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sailerboy:

HDHR or 2250?

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sphery:

the 1250 is also a good option--it's just a single tuner approach

[15:17:35]

sphery:

you'll need a separate tuner for each frequency you want to record at any given time

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sailerboy:

yea...

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sailerboy:

i'm not sure exactly if i want to record or not, or how much i want to record

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sphery:

that usually means you can record multiple of the "dot" channels at a given time

[15:18:35]

sailerboy:

actually, it's almost cheaper to get two 1250s than 1 2250

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sailerboy:

xD

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sailerboy:

i'm looking on newegg, do you know of a cheaper place?

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sphery:

so, for example, 55.4 SciFi (SyFy?) and 55.5 TOON at the same time, so you can record some comedy (Sharknado) and some more-believable animated shows at the same time

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sailerboy:

or should i get the HDHomeRun

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sphery:

yeah, basically, factor in cost/tuner, number of tuners desired, and number of slots available, and power requirements

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sphery:

then use that to decide which

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sphery:

when it comes to ATSC tuners, there's no real technical reason to choose one over the other

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sailerboy:

the hdhomerun for 2 tuners is almost 40 bucks cheaper

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sphery:

only real differences come in from "cheap construction" versus "quality construction" (and both Hauppauge and Si Dust make good quality devices)

[15:21:59]

sailerboy:

so for the HDHomeRun, what if i wanted to watch OTA tv?

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sailerboy:

could i do that with an antenna?

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sphery:

note, also, that HDHR Prime means it supports CableCARD

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sphery:

which is useless if you can't use CableCARD

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sphery:

so, for example, on Time Warner cable, it's useless with GNU/Linux (because they mark everything with DRM)

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sailerboy:

that's the only HDHomeRun though that has 3 tuners

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sphery:

but on Comcast, it's usable (and will soon be the only way to use Comcast--as they're starting to encrypt everything, requiring CableCARD for conditional access, but they do not protect it with DRM, marking everything but premium channels as "copy freely")

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sailerboy:

what about verizon?

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sphery:

but you can use HDHR Prime without cableCARD, at which point it's identical to the non-prime HDHR (meaning you could probably get the non-prime cheaper)

[15:24:40]

sphery:

HDHR also supports ATSC (=OTA)

[15:24:58]

sphery:

as far as versions, I'd recommend reading http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Silicondust_HDHomeRun

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sphery:

it knows far more about them than I

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sphery:

doesn't say much about versions, really

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sailerboy:

no, verizon

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sphery:

TTBOMK, all of them work fine with MythTV, though

[15:25:37]

sailerboy:

fios, the tv service

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sphery:

yeah, I think FiOS requires a STB and "the analog hole" (i.e. ivtv for (bad-quality) NTSC-analog capture via S-Video/Composite/RG-59/RG-6 or HD-PVR for Component, including HDTV)

[15:27:47]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable is good info

[15:28:06]

sphery:

actually, that says FiOS works with QAM/CableCARD

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sphery:

(in most markets, at least)

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sphery:

which implies you'd want either an HDHR Prime (for when you're on FiOS--but would also work for unencrypted Uni TV) or a Ceton InfiniTV

[15:29:00]

sphery:

I don't know if the InfiniTV works without CableCARD, though

[15:30:09]

sailerboy:

i think i may just make do with the HDHomeRun then

[15:30:10]

sphery:

anyway, good luck, and feel free to talk with others

[15:30:15]

sailerboy:

since cable card isn't really important to me

[15:30:20]

sailerboy:

and recording at home

[15:30:25]

sailerboy:

too bad i can't get 3 tv tuners without prime

[15:30:38]

sphery:

here or on the mailing lists, some may have recommendations--especially if you list all the different services you want to record from at various times

[15:32:11]

sailerboy:

i'm sure i could "purchase" the shows on "amazon" or "itunes" a day or two after they air if i wanted that

[15:32:15]

sailerboy:

so 2 tv tuners is probably enough then

[15:32:39]

sphery:

your quote key seems to be stuck

[15:33:06]

sphery:

but, yeah, I have OTA and purchase DVDs and BluRays of the cable-only shows I want to watch

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sailerboy:

haha

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sphery:

or get them on Amazon Instant or Netflix, and it's significantly cheaper than paying the cable subscription

[15:33:34]

sailerboy:

i have one last question

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sailerboy:

there are some tv stations that aren't broadcasted digitally

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sailerboy:

will the HDHomeRun pick them up?

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sphery:

I don't think so

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sphery:

I think it's ATSC/QAM only, no NTSC

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sailerboy:

:(

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sphery:

for NTSC, you'd need something like the HVR-2250, which has 2 tuners, which can be used for NTSC or ATSC--either one at any given time

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sailerboy:

so it may be better to get the HVR-2250?

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sphery:

so could get an HDHR dual tuner and a 2250

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sphery:

and have ability to do 4 digital or 3 digital + 1 analog or 2 digital + 2 analog at any given time

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sphery:

of course, you'll also need sufficient HDD space to back that up

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sailerboy:

i have 3 tb

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sailerboy:

i'm not worried about that

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sailerboy:

i'm sure i only need 2 tuners

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sphery:

(recording 4 shows at once makes it easy to fill things up... I have 6 tuners, and often record up to 4 shows at a time in primetime, and I've got 10.75TB of 13.5TB used (and I watch and delete everything--never archive anything)

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sphery:

actually, I watch and delete everything that I watch, but I delete without watching a ton of stuff

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sphery:

3TB is a good start, though :)

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sailerboy:

christ

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sailerboy:

i'm in college

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sailerboy:

i've got shit to do

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sphery:

hehe, yeah

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sailerboy:

i don't have that amount of time

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sphery:

nor do I

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sphery:

but I have my MythTV system record every single new series that airs, and then I delete without watching if it's cancelled after a few episodes or if it gets terrible reviews or if I watch a bit and decide it's not worth my time

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sphery:

sometimes I don't watch the bit to decide if it's worth my time until after 3 or 4 seasons have recorded

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sphery:

I currently have 3 months 8 days 11 hrs 19 mins of recorded video on my system

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sphery:

and will /never/ watch it all

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jm|laptop:

sphery: since you made me prod those tuners with dvbsnoop last $night subsequent programmes (and even adverts) have started working

[15:40:57]

sphery:

but I always have something good to watch, regardless of how bad the stuff their currently airing is :)

[15:40:59]

jm|laptop:

I wish I knew what I'd done and what had caused them/mythbackend to get it wrong previously

[15:41:40]

jm|laptop:

Due in 2 weeks (09/02/13 00:00:00)

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jm|laptop:

hmm

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sphery:

jm|laptop: weird... sometimes that can happen if using them through the other program initializes something that MythTV doesn't (usually because the cards/setup aren't fully configured in MythTV)

[15:42:05]

sphery:

if rebooting makes it go back to failing, that's almost definitely what's happening

[15:42:10]

jm|laptop:

hmm

[15:42:21]

jm|laptop:

I'll bear that in mind next time I /have/ to

[15:42:24]

sphery:

and then just requires figuring out what the other program does differently, then figuring out how to tell MythTV what to do

[15:42:45]

sphery:

(i.e. what's misconfigured in MythTV)

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jm|laptop:

*cough* or a script that does what I did last $night again *cough*

[15:43:02]

sphery:

it's possible there's a bug, though, and it prevents them from being properly init'ed by MythTV

[15:43:14]

sphery:

at which point it's most likely a bug in the actual device drivers

[15:43:15]

jm|laptop:

yes. And it might have been addressed in head / 0.27

[15:43:25]

jm|laptop:

sphery: pretty late kernel on there iirc

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jm|laptop:

3.9.x

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sphery:

(some other programs may work around driver bugs, but we tried to get users to get the bugs fixed upstream in the drivers so we don't have to maintain all those conditions)

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jm|laptop:

of course

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sphery:

anyway, good luck with it

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jm|laptop:

I'm also using pre-0.26 release code on my backend

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sphery:

and I hope it keeps working

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jm|laptop:

:)

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sphery:

ah, there were quite a few bugs in pre-0.26 stuff

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sphery:

might want to consider upgrading to current 0.26-fixes

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jm|laptop:

if it's just two weeks, I'll wait for 0.27 release

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sphery:

(even 0.26 release had quite a few bugs)

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sphery:

and, yeah, that's an option, too

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sphery:

but, really, aim for 0.27-fixes :)

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jm|laptop:

hmm. New kernel available. Maybe I'll reboot after all – and then see if 5.1 comes in with just mythbackend prodding the tuners

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sphery:

good luck

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sphery:

:)

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** jm|laptop prods wheezy backports **

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jm|laptop:

sphery: I rebooted and now it's not working again – listings suggests this programme is in surround sound

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jm|laptop:

and I can't get dvbtune / scan / dvbsnoop / dvbdate to make it work like I did last $night >.<

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jm|laptop:

I wish I understood dvbsnoop

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Darkchaos_:

Hello guys, I have a problem with mythtv. It shows a recording from yesterday as still in the schedule. That unfortunately blocks mythtv from recording two shows at once (two tuners)

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Darkchaos_:

I tried to delete the recording, I tried to remove it from every db, still mythweb shows it

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jm|laptop:

Darkchaos_: in mythweb have you tried "forget old" ?

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jm|laptop:

select the programme from the schedule

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jm|laptop:

maybe try "Don't record this programme" and "Forget old"

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jm|laptop:

sigh

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sphery:

Darkchaos_ : restart the master backend

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jm|laptop:

184M recordedseek.MYI

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jm|laptop:

201M recordedseek.MYD

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Hydr0p0nX:

anyone recommend a good tv tuner card?

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Hydr0p0nX:

the one i have spits out poor quality captures

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sailerboy:

i just got the HVR-2250 recommended to me

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sailerboy:

but idk what i'm talking about, so i'll let someone else help you

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Hydr0p0nX:

i'm kind of suspecting that i have the frequency off a bit

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Hydr0p0nX:

but haven't been able to verify it yet

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sphery:

NewBuntu81–2: looks like 0.25 is the earliest-available version of MythTV for 12.04 based on http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos

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sphery:

NewBuntu81–2: so if you wanted 0.24 on it, you'd have to compile (and configure, and make it work) yourself :(

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sphery:

probably far more work than just upgrading everything to the currently-supported version (0.26-fixes)

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sphery:

or upgrading everything to 0.27-fixes once it's released

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sphery:

(shouldn't be too long--a few weeks or so)

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NewBuntu81-2:

LOL, doh. Ok. My backend is running 0.24 and it works perfectly, so I don't want to mess with that!

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sphery:

but improving on perfection is a great thing to do :)

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NewBuntu81-2:

not if improvement breaks perfection LOL. hahah.

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NewBuntu81-2:

Well, ok, not "perfect". I still never got the blaster part working. But I typically only record from the digital channels (that are unencrypted) so it isn't a big deal to me.

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NewBuntu81-2:

I have two HVR 2250 cards that can each capture 2 channels (so that's 4 at a time) + 2 PCI cards on static channels. So I can record 6 shows at a time. Good enough for me. :-)

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NewBuntu81-2:

A friend found this ancient Optiplex SX 270 in a dumpster and gave to me for use of another frontend. It only has DVI graphics output, which I can convert with an adapter to HDMI. I wasn't having very good luck in Mythbuntu 11.04 or 11.10 to upgrade the Intel chipset, so I thought I'd try the 12.04 version. 12.04 has the updates in it. I guess if I want to use the thing, I'll have to do some work to make it work right. T

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NewBuntu81-2:

here are no PCI/PCIe/AGP slots to add a card, so I'm stuck with what's in it. Not a bad little pc, just wasn't sure if i could make it work or not. It's really slow/blotchy on playback. Even youtube videos were slow. But in 12.04 they look half way decent:-)

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Hydr0p0nX:

anyone have experience with Hauppauge HVR-1600 ?

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