Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, July 23rd, 2013, 00:09 UTC

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Korny:

which is really common with HDHR's sadly

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Korny:

well not REALLY common, but I've read about it quite a bit

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Korny:

easy fix at least

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k-man:

Korny, yeah, i suspect it was with older models they used cheap or poor quality power supplies

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k-man:

i had a very strange issue the other day – suddenly all the recordings had poor reception. I check the reception by using an app on my mac and the tuners were fine. restarted the mythtv-backend and after that recordings were fine

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k-man:

also, i've noticed in mythtv mythcenter theme that usually recordings are shown with a light grey font in the recording list. sometimes they show up with a white font – and in this instance all the bad recordings were in the white font

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k-man:

what are the different colours used for in the recordings listing anyway?

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papertigers:

lautriv: /root/.mythtv is indeed there

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prologic:

I have an Haupauge HVR 2200, PCIe card (internal)

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prologic:

the antenna is fine as I tested with the plasma display which has a single digital tuner and it could lock into all channels just fine

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prologic:

I don't know why a rescan would have broken this — many channels were working before

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Hilikus:

i'm trying to use mythmessage (via mythutil) to send a notification to the frontend; however, it only works if i am not watching a recording. is there a way no display a notification even when something is playing?

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k-man:

prologic, have you tried restarting the backend?

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prologic:

*nods*

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etekdude:

Hi guys! Question about the program: If I download MythTV (and have a capture card installed), I can record live TV and view on any device?

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[R]:

define "any device"

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DrFoo:

I changed my video folder to a mounted cifs share. When I view my video library it flashes a message that says there are no files in the directory and brings me back to /mnt. I navigate from there and I have my videos. Any idea what's going on here?

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Jester86:

Hey guys, do any of you have an HDPVR and have issues recording a specific station?

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Jester86:

It really seems to be one program in specific

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Jester86:

Under the dome seems to kill my HDPVR and I don't know why

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prologic:

I have a HVR 2200

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prologic:

and I can't lock into any channels anymore

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Jester86:

I had zero problems before I upgraded

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Jester86:

I really kind of hate that about MythTV.. why would you move backward when you release a new version

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prologic:

I had zero problems unit lI did a rescan of channels due to recent AU channel switchover that occurred a couple weeks ago

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prologic:

now I can't pickup or lock into any DVB channels

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Jester86:

have you deleted the recording device and created new?

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prologic:

otherwise everything is the same

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prologic:

no but I'm going to try that otnight

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prologic:

I read somewhere things can get screwy like that

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prologic:

when stations change channels/frequencies, etc

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Jester86:

Yeah, common fix is to recreate the device

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prologic:

yeah I think you're right

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prologic:

I'll give it a go tonight when Iget back home

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Jester86:

I wish something would work on this..

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Jester86:

but it seems like my tuner just keeps cutting off for some reason

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Jester86:

Do you know of a different free PVR system?

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Jester86:

I think I'm going to have to leave myth.. this is just unusable

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prologic:

I usually have no problems myself

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prologic:

I've been maintaining mythtv ports for CRUX off/on for years

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Jester86:

I had no issues until i upgraded a month or 2 ago

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Jester86:

I came in here and asked around and was told.. well mythtv was never meant to view live TV

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Jester86:

yet it worked just fine in the prior version

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Jester86:

beyond that.. the issues i'm having are not live tv

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prologic:

what?

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prologic:

mythtv is all about live tv

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prologic:

I'm confused

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prologic:

what distro is your myth system running on?

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Jester86:

I'm running Mythbuntu

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Jester86:

I can't remember who it was that said it but it was one of the admins

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Jester86:

maybe wagnerrp.. not sure if it was him or not

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prologic:

I doubt he'd say something like that

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prologic:

live tv is one of the core features of mythtv :)

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prologic:

anyway

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[R]:

of course he said it

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[R]:

just because livetv is a feature in myth

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[R]:

doesnt mean ist good or recommended

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prologic:

sad to say, but I find the maintenance of the Debian/Ubuntu packages that come shipped with Mythbuntu very poor

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[R]:

stop being a slave to the networks

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prologic:

I learnt the hard way

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prologic:

same problem as you

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prologic:

upgrade broke everything

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prologic:

[R]:I admit I never really ever watch live tv

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prologic:

I usually always record

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prologic:

and skip ads :)

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Jester86:

[R], my point is that it worked fine in a prior release to have a new release come out and then say that that functionality isn't 'supported' is just stupid IMO

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[R]:

no one ever said its not suppoprted

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[R]:

it just tends to get broken

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Jester86:

That'd be like if I wrote some new app for a client and said oh yeah.. that one feature you used.. I stopped supporting it

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[R]:

and if you are unhappy with the livetv support, you are more than welcome to fix it

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Jester86:

And my point is that you should not be releasing software that is breaking old functionality

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Jester86:

I could understand buggy new features

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[R]:

if you are unhappy with any feature, you are also more than welcoem to fix it

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Jester86:

but breaking old features is bad practice

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[R]:

no one uses livetv

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tgm4883:

prologic, how so?

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Jester86:

bull, I'm sure more than just me use livetv

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prologic:

yeah I do occasionally

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prologic:

well my wife and I do

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Jester86:

See [R], I'm not the only one ;)

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tgm4883:

<prologic> sad to say, but I find the maintenance of the Debian/Ubuntu packages that come shipped with Mythbuntu very poor

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tgm4883:

*citation needed

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[R]:

ok, 2 people

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Jester86:

Though I would like to help contribute to myth

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[R]:

even i did my part

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Jester86:

R, you do realize there are a lot of people that use myth who don't get on IRC right? lol

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

i read the ml too

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Jester86:

The head of the java practice at my office was a mythtv user and went to windows b/c all of the shit breaking all the time.

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Jester86:

I'm in the M$ practice and I don't even want to go to using windows.. lol

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prologic:

tgm4883: personal experience

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tgm4883:

Other than live tv, what else breaks all the time?

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tgm4883:

prologic, bug report?

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Jester86:

recording with HDPVR period

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prologic:

I tried Mythbuntu once – then there was an upgrade – then everything broke

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prologic:

I only used it to identify correct drivers for my hardware in the end

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[R]:

i've been using myth for like 6 years or so

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[R]:

on mythbuntu

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[R]:

i dont remember the last time i had a problem

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Jester86:

Do you have an HDPVR?

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[R]:

my hdpvr has been running like a champ for a few years now

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prologic:

I run mythtv (backend and fronted) on CRUX

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prologic:

so I maintain my own ports

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tgm4883:

prologic, so, 1 time, with no information about what you did, it broke for some unknown reason. I could easily just say that was user error

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prologic:

you could :)

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prologic:

and for all I know you might be right

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prologic:

it was nearly a year ago now

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prologic:

I really ought to upgrade my ports to 0.26 – still running 0.24.1 here

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[R]:

i get scared the one day my myth will just stop workign... then i realize that thigns dontj ust magically break

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Jester86:

prologic, if you have a working 0.24 don't upgrade

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tgm4883:

prologic, If you haven't investigated it at all, and you haven't filed a bug report, please don't say the packaging is bad

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Jester86:

enjoy a fully working system

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prologic:

well you're right it's probably not bad

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prologic:

I apologize :)

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prologic:

I only had one bad experience

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prologic:

I want to upgrade to 0.26 when I have time to get airplay support

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prologic:

and an iOS app that only works with 0.25+

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tgm4883:

prologic, 90% of mythtv users can't be wrong ;)

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prologic:

probably :)

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prologic:

I'm probably one of two that use MythTV on CRUX anyway :)

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tgm4883:

prologic, do you happen to remember if you upgraded mythtv, or if you upgraded the distro?

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prologic:

it was a distro upgrade iirrc

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prologic:

through apttitude

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prologic:

so I suspect it wasn't the mythtv package maintainer's fault :)

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Jester86:

lol

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Jester86:

likely..

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[R]:

after all that...

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prologic:

Aren't Debian/Ubuntu systems renewed for breaking themselves in major upgrades? :)

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prologic:

sorry memory was a bit hazy at first

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** prologic at work :) **

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[R]:

i love telling maintainers their crap sucks

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tgm4883:

prologic, no they aren't

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tgm4883:

prologic, but in any case, if you upgraded a mythtv system off of an LTS release, you're doing it wrong

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Jester86:

I stand by my statement that a new release should not break existing functionality

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tgm4883:

Jester86, that isn't even remotely close to what we're talking about

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Jester86:

It's the situation I'm facing

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tgm4883:

Jester86, further, I haven't read the backlog, so I'm not sure what the issue is that you are having, but in my limited testing of live tv in 0.26 it works

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[R]:

Jester86: if there is a bug in mythtv, you should file a bug report, not bitch about it in here

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Jester86:

I've been following this and haven't seen anything come of it

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prologic:

yes well I find it hard to imagine livetv would be broken in 0.26

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Jester86:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /334262.html

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prologic:

in fact weren't there improvements to it in the chagnelog?

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Jester86:

its not broken.. its just buggy as all get out

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tgm4883:

Jester86, did you just reference a message from 14 months ago?

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Jester86:

Yes, why restate the issue

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Jester86:

You restate the issue and people bitch about you restating the issue, you don't restate the issue and people bitch that the message is old

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Jester86:

there's just no pleasing some people

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tgm4883:

Jester86, because A) that only says that it's buggy (with some symptoms), but doesn't show any logs, and B) you shouldn't be on the version that they are talking about

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Korny:

hmmm

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Korny:

I support tgm4883 when it comes to running mythbuntu, its been pretty problem free for me and pretty painless and flexable when it comes to installing on prexisting systems or starting from scratch

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Jester86:

Yeah I've had no issues with Mythbuntu

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Jester86:

The only issues I face have come from upgrading MythTV from 0.24 to 0.25

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tgm4883:

Jester86, I'm not going to count them, but since that thread message, there have been literally hundreds of commits to the 0.25 fixes branch

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Jester86:

I've been carrying this instance of MythTV from 0.21 I think

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Jester86:

Yet no fix has solved my issue..

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tgm4883:

Jester86, can you pastebin the output of 'dpkg -l | grep libmyth'

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Korny:

If you're not on 12.04 lts then you really have no issues to complain about either, I've never had an myth upgrade issue either with mythbuntu. Guess I've been fairly lucky

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Jester86:

lol tgm I'm mainly just giving you shit but still.. a new release should not break existing functionality – that's all I'm saying

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tgm4883:

Jester86, 0.26 works for me. Closing ticket as user error ;P

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Korny:

Works fine for me as well

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Jester86:

There nothing to be user error

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Jester86:

It simply doesn't record properly

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tgm4883:

Jester86, I don't think anyone here has said that the new version breaks functionality

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Korny:

And having read the previous conversation about live vs recorded tv.... live tv IS recoreded tv,

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tgm4883:

Jester86, and my asking you to pastebin that, was to see if you had old versions installed.

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tgm4883:

Jester86, but since you seem more willing to bitch and moan than troubleshoot the issue with the people that are here to help you, I'll go back to managing my music

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Jester86:

also when I'm watching live TV and the dialog pops up saying that a recording is scheduled and asks me what I want to do no matter which selection I go with it continues watching live TV and if I select record in that dialog box it will then record the live tv it is watching as said program

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Jester86:

the only way I can get it to actually record the scheduled program is if I exit out of live tv

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tgm4883:

Korny, thank you. We do a lot of work to continually build new versions on the LTS release. It's good to know that people are using that

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Jester86:

tgm4883 I am in the process of logging into my server to execute said thing.. hold the heck on

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** tgm4883 is in a holding pattern **

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Korny:

I agree with the logic behind using LTS, our boxes are appliances not bleeding edge boxes

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[R]:

Jester86: if the popup doesnt work, as i said... you should file a bug report

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[R]:

not just hope one day it'll get fixed

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Jester86:

tgm don't run low on fuel

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Korny:

Jester86, I agree that dialog is broken, but its never bothered me enough submit a bug request, its been borked since .25 I believe

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tgm4883:

[R], +1

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Jester86:

[R] I was in here a few months back when I did the upgrade and was essentially told meh MythTV doesn't support live playback

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Jester86:

after that I just assumed no one cared

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[R]:

i highly doubt tahts what was said

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[R]:

and theres tons of bug reports on livetv that get fixed

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Jester86:

go back and look at the logs

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Jester86:

I might be able to dig through my machine and give you the date

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[R]:

ok... i'm gonna go look "a few months back"

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Korny:

I'm guessing it went more along the lines of its not a priority

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Jester86:

tgm, I have files from 4–23

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Jester86:

Regardless with the overall meh response I got I didn't think it'd be worth filing a report

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Korny:

Did someone actually say Mythtv doesn't support Live TV playback?

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tgm4883:

Jester86, I'm looking back in aprils logs, but I don't see anyone telling you that

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tgm4883:

I see a few people saying they don't use live tv (or rather, they don't use their PVR-150's anymore)

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Jester86:

Keep looking

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[R]:

!logs

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[R]:

!url logs

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MythLogBot:

logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1

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tgm4883:

Jester86, I see you having issues in 2009 and 2011 regarding live tv

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tgm4883:

but nothing about what you said happened a few months ago

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tgm4883:

I'm just searching all of the irc logs with Google though, maybe I should bing it?

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Jester86:

it had to have been right around 4–23 give or take a couple days

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Jester86:

yahoo it

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[R]:

http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2013-04-23

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[R]:

but if you've found a bug, on the current version of myth, file a bug reoprt

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[R]:

wow

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[R]:

i sound like a broken record

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[R]:

if only you would actually lsiten for once

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Jester86:

I didn't say I won't file one now.. I stated why I did not file one then

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[R]:

and if you have a bug, file a bug report

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[R]:

and then i said it again

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tgm4883:

[R], Not sure if you thought to mention this, but maybe he should file a bug report?

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[R]:

tgm4883: you know... the thought never crossed my mind actually

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** [R] scribbles it down **

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Korny:

[R], I see you fell into the same trap of helping bray90820

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

theres some gold in thsoe logs

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[R]:

"could it be that i recently installed ssh on the computer"

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tgm4883:

lol

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tgm4883:

that guy...

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Jester86:

I'm just surprised these kinds of issues don't get ran across before a release occurs though

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tgm4883:

Jester86, are you running 0.27?

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Korny:

I remember wagnerrp and I "helping" him, I thinking he was just a troll

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tgm4883:

Korny, yea, I've helped him enough to know not to anymore

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Jester86:

No I still have 0.25... haven't wanted to upgrade and lose more functionality.

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Jester86:

I was considering reverting back to 0.24

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tgm4883:

Jester86, perhaps someone that wants to use Live TV should test it on 0.27 before it releases and then file bugs?

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[R]:

tgm4883: you and your silly vulcan logic

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tgm4883:

Jester86, it's pretty hard to fix an issue that nobody knows about

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[R]:

tgm4883: theres no room for logic in here!

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tgm4883:

\\ //

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Jester86:

Oh, I thought the devs tested their product ;)

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Korny:

Jester86, you get what you pay for with Open source free stuff :)

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tgm4883:

Jester86, They test the functionality that they want to test. Find me which dev actually uses live tv

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Jester86:

yeah...

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[R]:

Jester86: that would nmean thered never be any bug reports...a nd obviously, there are

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tgm4883:

Korny, if that is the case, I must have paid a lot, because mythtv is amazing

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[R]:

tgm4883: thats what she sid

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Korny:

lol

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Jester86:

Yes, so why not slow down releases so that releases are less likely to contain bugs?

[03:23:51]

[R]:

Jester86: and you want the bugs to be magically found?

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tgm4883:

Jester86, that doesn't make any sense, and here is why......

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tgm4883:

Jester86, if you (eg. the person that wants to use live tv, or anyone else that wants to use live tv) don't test the version before it is released, how will the devs know that live tv is broken?

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[R]:

tgm4883: esp(n)?

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tgm4883:

Jester86, specifically, on your hardware

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Jester86:

If I were making code modifications to a feature – ie, live tv – I would test to make sure I didn't break anything in the process

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tgm4883:

Jester86, and there we go again. I've tested live tv in 0.26 and it works for me. So what else do you want?

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[R]:

Jester86: you dont have to be making modificationts to livetv itself to effect livetv

[03:25:53]

Jester86:

So what you're telling me is that out of all of the developers, none of them tested live tv functionality before agreeing to the release

[03:26:00]

Jester86:

lol

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tgm4883:

Jester86, and there we go again. I've tested live tv in 0.26 and it works for me. So what else do you want?

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Korny:

It works for me with MY hardware set

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tgm4883:

responding to you is getting easier ;)

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[R]:

tgm4883: maybe he wants your first born?

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Jester86:

live tv is fairly basic functionality – why would you not want to test that before you issue a release

[03:26:31]

Korny:

But you can't expect developers to have every single piece of hardware

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tgm4883:

Jester86, and there we go again. I've tested live tv in 0.26 and it works for me. So what else do you want?

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[R]:

Jester86: and how do you kno that?

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Jester86:

tgm I'm not talking about the 0.26 release, yes it may have been fixed in 0.26 but why was it released broken in 0.25

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[R]:

Jester86: because you never filed a bug report that iwas broken

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Jester86:

B/c out of all of the dev's no one tested it?

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tgm4883:

Jester86, and there we go again. When I used 0.25, I tested live tv and it worked for me. So what else do you want?

[03:28:22]

Jester86:

tgm why didn't you say that from the get go

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Jester86:

haha

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tgm4883:

Jester86, in case you aren't understanding. Yes, it gets tested. What I am trying to get at is that for your particular combination of hardware, it appears to be broken. But since you didn't test it and seem hell bent on blaming someone, blame yourself for not testing it prior to release and filing a bug report

[03:29:14]

** Korny is glad he went the HDHR route **

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Korny:

Its idiot proof almost

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tgm4883:

Korny, I agree, HDHomerun prime here

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tgm4883:

my HDPVR is sitting in a box in the closet

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Korny:

I have 2 HDHR's and 1 HDHR prime

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Korny:

7 tuners

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Jester86:

I have an honest question here though... how is it that companies like M$ can release things had have minimal issues compared to open source releases? Is it that they test more or just lock code down and allow fewer changes per iteration?

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Korny:

Money?

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[R]:

money money money money, MONEY (the apprentice theme song)

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Korny:

Full time employees

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tgm4883:

Jester86, and here we go, sidestepping what we've previously said

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Jester86:

what service provider are you using with HDHR prime?

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[R]:

rofl @ "minimal issues"

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tgm4883:

Comcast

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Korny:

Comcast

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Jester86:

[R] compared to things in the open source community it is minimal

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[R]:

windows is a horrifically broken piece of garbage that makes me want to kill myself a little everyday

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Jester86:

in Arch you can do an update and cripple your system to the point that its easier to wipe out and reinstall

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[R]:

arch is garbage

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[R]:

what do you expect

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Korny:

What about Vista or ME?

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Korny:

Don't get me started on PC games from EA

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tgm4883:

Jester86, to answer your question. Microsoft employs a group of people that test releases on a variety of hardware. It is their sole job to do nothing but test software and file bugs. And even after that, Microsoft still has this thing called "Windows Updates" where they fix software that they released broken

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Korny:

or even World of Warcraft when its released with hundreds of bugs wtih a new patch even with 1000's of beta testers

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Jester86:

I've seen sharepoint farms upgraded from 2007 to 2013 .. that isn't terrible considering how much is going on there

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tgm4883:

Jester86, so please, lets stick to the truth here

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tgm4883:

Jester86, I don't think that happens in arch anymore

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Jester86:

tgm and thats what I wanted to hear.. maybe we need to develop a reporting system for mythtv?

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Korny:

?

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Korny:

There is

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tgm4883:

Jester86, but I don't use Arch, I'm just going off what others have said

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tgm4883:

Jester86, what kind of reporting system

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Jester86:

auto reporting

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Jester86:

then you'd have your testing data

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tgm4883:

Jester86, I'll also assume that you've consided the last point to me

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Jester86:

what about Arch?

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** Korny kills aport on his ubuntu systems :/ **

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[R]:

Jester86: so when you notice soemthign wrong... you want the software to magically khow that and send it off?

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tgm4883:

Jester86, A) that already exists on Ubuntu/Mythbuntu, but only would work for crashes, which isn't what you are saying is happening, and B) that would do nothing to help out before the version is released

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Korny:

tgm4883, to bad that function is really annoying for frontends without a keyboard/mouse :P

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Jester86:

tgm I'm saying that any user with it installed pre-release you'd get feedback on

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tgm4883:

Korny, yep

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tgm4883:

Jester86, and yet, it wouldn't do anything for you because nothing is crashing for your issue

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Korny:

Jester86, OR people could just not be lazy and type of a bug report?

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Korny:

type up*

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Jester86:

Korny, clearly that approach hasn't worked ;)

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Korny:

Why do you say that? There are loads of bug fixes completed

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tgm4883:

Also, while an automated bug report is possible, it's impossible for it to contain any relevant data since we'd have to guess what the problem was

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Jester86:

Korny.. I was joking

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tgm4883:

Jester86, you should stop joking, you aren't very good at it ;)

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Jester86:

several beers will do that to you

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Jester86:

Sent something off to UAT today.. had to drink a few

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jya:

having a tuning issue here, which I don't know how to solve. I have 5 DVB-T adapter.

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jya:

a few weeks ago, I started to have issues tuning to some channels. One card in particular had issues , so I added a new dual-tuner card.

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jya:

now I still have issues. If I perform a channel scan with one adapter, it works on all of them but it only find 24 channels (out of 27 available).

[04:21:11]

jya:

If I scan using another tuner, then it finds all 27, but I can't tune to some channels (which were found in the earlier scan)

[04:21:35]

jya:

if I scan with yet another card, it finds all of them, but the quality of each is rather bad, very blocky.

[04:21:57]

jya:

it seems that none of them find the exact same frequencies, and the one found works better on the card it was scanned on

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jya:

how could I get around this? so it uses tuned frequencies that is particular for one card.

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jya:

I have one source (FTA), and one antenna, with 3-way splitters (2 cards dual tuner, 1 card single tuner)

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k-man:

what is the unforseen HR problem delaying the alpha release?

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knightr:

k-man, why do you ask? :-)

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k-man:

the wording of it seems to indicate more to the story than meets the eye

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k-man:

just curious though, thats all

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knightr:

nah, it's just that maybe 3–4 people have all accesses required to do it and they were unavaiilable...

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k-man:

oh, fair enough

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knightr:

(vacation, too much work :-), etc...)

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k-man:

compleetly understand

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k-man:

real life gets in the way sometimes

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k-man:

jya, it seems odd that the tuners don't detect the exact frequencies of the channels

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knightr:

I could have said nothing (it's me who posted) but thought it was more polite to let people know that there was a small delay...

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k-man:

yeah, i appreciate it

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k-man:

jya, can you test receiving and tuning with a non mythtv app maybe? could it be some issue with how mythtv is tuning and receiving?

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knightr:

k-man, good night!

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knightr:

(or good day... :-) )

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jya:

k-man: i have no idea if they detect different frequenciesâ€¦ just that not all channels vehave the same way depending on which cards was used to scan

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k-man:

jya, seems kind of weird its doing that to me?

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jya:

SBS has been given us issues lately.. pretty recent. Only started about 1 month or so ago

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prologic:

hah same here

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prologic:

ever since the au analogue switch off

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k-man:

i just watched the whole of tour de france on SBS, recorded in mythtv, and had no problems

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k-man:

well, no reception problems – i did notice a bug in mythtv though which i should report i guess

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k-man:

if you start watching a recording while it is still recording, then pause watching it, and leave it for a long time, you will get an error something like "unrecoverable recorder error"

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k-man:

but the recordign will be fine, just the playback quits and does not save a bookmark of where you were up tp

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prologic:

Ok tried deleting all adapters and re-adding and re-scanning

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prologic:

I still get partial locks, low snr and high be

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prologic:

any other ideas?

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lautriv:

prologic, how connected ?

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prologic:

Ok

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prologic:

I solved my problem

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prologic:

I remembered last time that the scanning in mythtv doesn't work here in AU for me

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prologic:

at least in 0.24.1

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prologic:

scanning with dvbutils "scan" and testing with tzap and importing the channels.conf works

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** prologic goes and tests all channels **

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prologic:

ok so

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prologic:

so far so good

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prologic:

but interestingly SBS was not picked up in the scan by dvbutils

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prologic:

as it turns out it was also the channel I was having troubles with before I broke my setup to do a rescan (thinking channels had changes freqs)

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prologic:

anyone else here from AU having troubls with SBS?

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somethinginteres:

How can I see the frequency used for a scanned channel? I can no longer get a particular channel and want to check that my frequency is up to date since apparently it may have changed.

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somethinginteres:

just did a channel re-scan. Frequency had changed.

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jKlaus:

Hey all, anyone here running mythbuntu and having issues upgrading to 0.26?

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jKlaus:

I've added 0.26 PPA and it seems to hit it fine on apt-get update

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jKlaus:

but when I try to install mythtv it says that the most current version is already installed

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jKlaus:

:-\

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jKlaus:

I found a thread the other day where someone had the same issue and tried the same options set they used but to no avail

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jKlaus:

I have to get back to work but feel free to ping me if anyone has run into this

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tgm4883:

jKlaus, you'd need to post the logs of you trying to update

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jKlaus:

Alright – I'm at work now but I'll see if I can get to it tonight. I was mainly just curious if anyone else had run into it.

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jKlaus:

It doesn't sound like I was missing a step did it? All you do is add the PPA, update, and install right?

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tgm4883:

jKlaus, yes, but I don't know what it was telling you, or what version it thinks is installed, or what the exact command you ran was, or if any packages were held back

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AnthonyUK:

Hi all. I have a WinTV-NOVA-T single tuner DVB PCI card and have followed this guide but when I tune the channels It never finds any channels

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AnthonyUK:

from what I have read the model 90002 is supported by default

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AnthonyUK:

this link said sometimes you need to type "modprobe cx88_dvb" which i did but still no change

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AnthonyUK:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-T_PCI (near bottom)

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AnthonyUK:

oh im running mythbuntu 12.04.2 i386 with backend/frontend and its on a fresh install, again...

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AnthonyUK:

forgot to include the guide I followed http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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lautriv:

AnthonyUK, i have some HVR4000 which are based on the same chipset and they work fine. checked firmware-load and proper defaults for a scan ?

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AnthonyUK:

back

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AnthonyUK:

im still kinda new to linux how do i check the firmware-load?

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AnthonyUK:

before just to test on capture card setup i set signal timeout and tuning time out to 10,000 ms, and the DVD tuning delay to 2000ms (max) as it gives a warning that some linux drivers particulary for Nova-T require it

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AnthonyUK:

Il just go back through the mythbackend setups and look at the defaults

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AnthonyUK:

yesterday I had another tuner working, a peak hardware DVB PCI dual tuner, and i got it working so I'm confident I have set it up ok

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AnthonyUK:

for simplicities sake in getting this tuner working also I have not reinstalled the other peak dual tuner

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lautriv:

AnthonyUK, just checked mine in the meantime and found the firmware is only for the 24116 ( no on the nova ) so ..... you have a source-link and can select scanning but doesn't get anything, right ?

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AnthonyUK:

yep the source link i set up eit programme data

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AnthonyUK:

and yes the scan runs but nothing is never found

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lautriv:

AnthonyUK, what sattelite do you use ?

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AnthonyUK:

its a freeview service sorry in the uk

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AnthonyUK:

just DVB-T

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lautriv:

AnthonyUK, ah. ok, go to the site of the provider and fill in the proper transponder to start with.

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AnthonyUK:

lautriv, I will try to find the site but have no clue what or where I would fill in the proper transponder

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lautriv:

AnthonyUK, see DVB is not like analog where you just trim through the baseband and catch anything with a good amplitude, it's more receiving of tables, before you start scanning you need to set that values for the first transponder which in turn sends a bunch of channels, which themself may know about more channels.

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AnthonyUK:

lautriv, do these tables you talk of look like the format in this link? http://parker1.co.uk/myth/uk-WinterHill-fixed

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AnthonyUK:

I don't know if you are in the UK but Winter hill is the transmitting antena that covers the region of the UK I am in

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lautriv:

AnthonyUK, yep, on sat, one of them is the "head" , on terrestrial you may have several smallers b/c air is not owned by a company.

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** lautriv -> walk with dogs, laters. **

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justinh:

AnthonyUK: I'm from winter hill land. Not for very much longer though. I've moved jobs to Pontop Pike country & am selling my mancunian house

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justinh:

AnthonyUK: outside of mythtv what I'd do is use the dvb apps, or dvb-utils.. whichever has the 'zap' program

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justinh:

tzap I mean

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justinh:

and yes timeout settings for some cards in mythtv-setup are something tricky. I've run into nasty issues with my Lr6550 tuners – a full scan often won't work, something to do with the (stupid UK) frequency offsets not working right

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justinh:

so what I generally do instead is do a tuned scan instead since I know the mux frequencies

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AnthonyUK:

hi justinh, just to be sure that last link i called is the info in it called mux frequencies? and I'll look up the dvb-apps and utils

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justinh:

link?

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AnthonyUK:

http://parker1.co.uk/myth/uk-WinterHill-fixed

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justinh:

I think those freqs are a bit old

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justinh:

gimme a sec

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AnthonyUK:

its all these terms ppl are using and they are all brand new to me, i just dont wana be confused

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AnthonyUK:

i tried looking up winterhill transmitter info but not getting the info i want

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AnthonyUK:

when I find up to date frequences do i just overwrite the /usr/share/dvb-t/uk-WinterHill file

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AnthonyUK:

or do i just give them a slightly different name uk-WinterHill-2 and add it to the collection of frequencies in there

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justinh:

AnthonyUK: no use doing that for mythtv

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justinh:

http://pastebin.com/ztwPQd4N

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justinh:

delete any channels you have, and any transponders set up already

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justinh:

then set up a new transponder with the first of the frequencies on that list.. then do a full scan (tuned)

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AnthonyUK:

when you say set up a new transponder are you talking about seting up a new capture card in mythtv backend settings?

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AnthonyUK:

all these terms and methods are new to me

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justinh:

no

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justinh:

I'm saying go into the input connections screen and add a transponder there

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AnthonyUK:

do you mean delete all the files in /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/

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justinh:

IIRC it's there

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justinh:

mythtv won't use any files in /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t

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AnthonyUK:

oh

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justinh:

it only uses information *you* give it.. or it'll do a full scan all by itself

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justinh:

with varying degrees of success with the latter option, depending on your hardware & the timeout values you set

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AnthonyUK:

the timeout values I have left massive

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AnthonyUK:

once i find the right settings il try setting them lower and lower

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justinh:

easier just to set it off doing a tuned scan with a frequency you know. it pays to know ;-)

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AnthonyUK:

I am on the "connect source to input" screen, the fields are "display name (optional)", video source, use quick tuning, use dishnet long-term data, scan for channels, fetch channels from lsitings source, starting channel

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AnthonyUK:

fetch channels dont do anything when i click on it

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AnthonyUK:

scan for channels opens up a new page that i cant see where i could input a new transponder info

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AnthonyUK:

i am using mythbuntu 12.04.2 i havent changed the themes as i know they can change these form menus about alittle bit

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AnthonyUK:

lol wait a second i have just missed somet lol

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AnthonyUK:

create a new input group

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AnthonyUK:

nvm couldnt find a place to enter the frequencies in there either

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AnthonyUK:

should i switch to the same theme you are using?

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AnthonyUK:

I'm gona pop this card in my windows comp, it was working last time i took it out, but ill double check, brb

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lautriv:

how to get rid of that annoying "looking up Metadata" in job-queue which was NEVER selected ?

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AnthonyUK:

couldnt get my card to detect channels on win7–64 so it could be the card is faulty, this card last worked on win7–32 am gona install win7–32 on a spare machine, so if it don't work on that os i know the card is cooked :(

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lautriv:

AnthonyUK, also check antenna-connection, maybe you hav just a short one ;)

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AnthonyUK:

will do lautriv, once win7–32 bit is installed I'll test it in my room then take it to living room aerial also

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justinh:

heh. I only got into linux & mythtv cos the tuner card I bought from ebay wouldn't work on windows for more than 5 minutes

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AnthonyUK:

lol

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AnthonyUK:

well unfortunately I find it the other way round, I wana get into linux so badly as I really do think it has its merits and it would be a handy thing to know, but boy trying to get anything done on it takes days, I've been at this problem for 2 days now, and I have tried a dozen or more times before that learning to do other stuff also taking days at a time

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AnthonyUK:

While you's are here though I am thinking of buying more tuners and dual tuners (i already have a peak hardware pci duel tuner) i wana keep costs low but if paying a bit more means i get a tuner that works with linux & mythtv alot easier then so be it, am wondering if one or two tuners should be hd capable

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AnthonyUK:

so if you got recomendations fire away

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justinh:

2 days? God I had to patch my own kernel to get the dvb-t card supported

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justinh:

and all this, from knowing nothing about linux at all :-P

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AnthonyUK:

how you did that ill never know but i wish i did ;)

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justinh:

intuition, reading a lot.. and luck

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justinh:

it didn't help that I spent the best part of a night going "I KNOW 'l' is not a number!" when I tried the command (typed from, not copied & pasted from a webpage) patch -p1 < patch.txt

[21:23:48]

AnthonyUK:

you mean the pipe character?

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justinh:

got 'l' and '1' confuzzled. oops

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AnthonyUK:

oh

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justinh:

AnthonyUK: anyway for HD in the UK you either need DVB-T2 or DVB-S2. DVB-T is no use for HD

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justinh:

T2 support is still pretty new in linux.. I'll wager it's not very mature on windows either

[21:25:26]

AnthonyUK:

is there a difference between T2 and S2?

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justinh:

S2 is for satellite

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AnthonyUK:

ahh

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justinh:

as in Freesat

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AnthonyUK:

il copy and paste this so i dont forget

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justinh:

I think there are still some HDTV transponders working on DVB-S but I could be wrong

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justinh:

at least some are DVB-S2 anyway

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AnthonyUK:

when you guys say transponders, what exactly do you mean?

[21:26:52]

AnthonyUK:

the tuner cards themselves

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AnthonyUK:

?

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justinh:

no

[21:27:49]

justinh:

we mean multiplex.. transponder / multiplex..

[21:28:02]

AnthonyUK:

ahh got it

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justinh:

basically in the olde days a 'channel' was on one frequency – or rather the video was, and the sound was 6MHz away (or 5 Mhz, or 5.5 Mhz)

[21:28:36]

AnthonyUK:

thats anothher reason why i want mythtv it potentially gets more virtual tuners out of the one tuner

[21:29:23]

justinh:

now there's a bunch of channels all squished together on one frequency.. from one transmitter / transponder – AKA multiplex

[21:29:33]

AnthonyUK:

just to be certain a transponder means just one multiplex

[21:29:39]

justinh:

yeah

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AnthonyUK:

cool

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justinh:

we call a tuner a tuner

[21:30:08]

justinh:

we're not politicians here ;-)

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AnthonyUK:

people are taking there time to help me, but you get like several buzzwords in an answer and im like painfully going through each sentence trying to get at what they mean

[21:31:12]

AnthonyUK:

but ill know transponder now

[21:31:20]

justinh:

well DVB-T is the modulation scheme that digital TV originally used for terrestrial broadcasting here in the UK

[21:32:03]

justinh:

with HD coming along the BBC & others invented DVB-T2 for terrestrial broadcasting – capable of carrying more data

[21:32:14]

justinh:

that is, more data in basically the same space

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AnthonyUK:

oh

[21:32:53]

AnthonyUK:

so does that mean they learnt how to compress the video stream even more then?

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justinh:

of course T2 isn't backwards compatible.. hence all yer 'HD' tellies with only DVB-T tuners that can't pick up BBC HD natively

[21:33:20]

justinh:

AnthonyUK: well there's the modulation technique which lets them cram more data into the same space.. then there's better compression on top

[21:33:28]

AnthonyUK:

would you recomend getting one, some or all out hd tuners in the myth backend?

[21:33:30]

lautriv:

AnthonyUK, mor likely network 100TX vs Gigabit

[21:33:51]

justinh:

original UK digital TV was mpeg2.. HD in the UK is h.264

[21:36:06]

AnthonyUK:

mind if I ask another question, its not important to me getting anything working just a general question about multiplex

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justinh:

fire away

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justinh:

lautriv: sadly dvb-t2 doesn't offer a ten-fold increase in bandwidth. It's more like 30% or so

[21:37:41]

AnthonyUK:

i under stand that one tuner can tune into a multiplex and the others get discarded, but myth tv can use these so esentially one tuner can tune into many channels possibly, but if say you have one tuner and 4 front ends all wanted to watch the same channel would it work?

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AnthonyUK:

toher channels get discarded on that multiplex*

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justinh:

AnthonyUK: yeah. One multiplex can arry many channels

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lautriv:

justinh, it was a lame comparsion just to get the picture ;)

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justinh:

carry, even

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AnthonyUK:

and if 5 ppl all want to watch the same channel on the same multiplex does that work too?

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justinh:

AnthonyUK: but for that to work you need enough 'virtual' tuners for 'live tv' watching frontends

[21:39:13]

justinh:

at least the way I remember live tv working you do

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AnthonyUK:

once im up and running im gona mess about with the virtual tuners and doing all sorts of test

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** justinh doesn't use live tv **

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AnthonyUK:

the theorhetical maximum is about 10 channels on the same multiplex

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justinh:

on my systems the channel change time is like > 10 secs

[21:40:03]

AnthonyUK:

jesus

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justinh:

AnthonyUK: but myth has a hard-coded limit of 5

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AnthonyUK:

k

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AnthonyUK:

il test 5 then

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justinh:

AnthonyUK: it's a combination of crappy tuner/driver & poor mysql performance on my backend

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AnthonyUK:

:)

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justinh:

AnthonyUK: easy to patch it for more. I had ten going when multirec first appeared

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justinh:

not 10 TV channels though.. a mixture of TV & radio

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AnthonyUK:

oh

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justinh:

cos I think the maximum TV channels on one mux was 6 or so then

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lautriv:

AnthonyUK, actually you nevver look "live" b/c the stream is put on hdd first, from there you can gather any info within a multiplex but not more like you did in mythtv-setup.

[21:42:42]

lautriv:

justdave_, putting mysql on it's own spindle helps a lot ;)

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AnthonyUK:

so streams are always put on hdd first, does this mean if you could add enough tuners to a system eventually they would be asking the hdd to write more than it can

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lautriv:

err justinh ^^

[21:43:21]

justinh:

lautriv: meh. I tried that. it still sucked

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justinh:

whatever defaults ubuntu chooses or *whatever* whatever.. it sucks compared to other scenarios

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AnthonyUK:

brb in a min

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justinh:

hell, even a 'huge' config file these days is meant to be for a machine with like 2 MEGABYTES of RAM or something. ;-)

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lautriv:

justinh, i had much issues around midnight where mysql was eating a whole core and did that much seeks all recordings were disrupted....own spindle, no issues.

[21:45:04]

justinh:

lautriv: how fast is the scheduler now compared to before?

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justinh:

scheduler runs on my backend take about 10 secs

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AnthonyUK:

bk

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lautriv:

justinh, never checked but tuning is close to immediate and never got any distortions.

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justinh:

I tried taking the mysql dir off of the root partition onto a spare disk – ran into a real nasty (undocumented?) issue with Apparmor.. nixed that.. and scheduling still sucked

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lautriv:

pfff who runs apparmour ?

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justinh:

Ubuntu

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justinh:

by default. with everything

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lautriv:

see, THAT is your real issue :P

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justinh:

yeah well. the ceo of the last place I worked for likes Ubuntu for some reason. So I got an automated package builder working, constructed a company repo... and ran into loads of issues where Ubuntu defaults for things were just crazy

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justinh:

I mean, they have crap like apparmor on by default but they allow root SSH logins?

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justinh:

etc

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justinh:

when I've sold my house & have to move my wife & kids up 120 miles to be here I'll switch distros

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lautriv:

they do a lot of strange things, also patching anything to death. i stopped caring about canonical since koala, each following version was worse.

[21:50:37]

justinh:

strange things, what – like go begging for donations to fund a phone project? Heh

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lautriv:

it's dumb enought to have no root pw but allow ALL to each user by sudo.

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justinh:

the original version of the company web-app installer basically unzipped a zip file into the webroot. to package it.. oh man...

[21:52:08]

justinh:

because all the defaults were so... different.. I had to cook up a lot of sed type operations on config files.

[21:52:17]

justinh:

I'm glad all that's behind me now :-)

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justinh:

rather, I hope it's all behind me now anyway. Only my 3rd day in the new job tomorrow

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AnthonyUK:

what job do you do justinh

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justinh:

I've gone back to being an electronic technician

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justinh:

in my last job I gravitated to linux/php/mysql webapp support – and product validation. It was the latter that did me in

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AnthonyUK:

oh

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justinh:

well that & the customers I had to try to help. "HALP IT NO WORKY!".. Me: "Can I have a bit more info please?" Them: "HALP! IT STILL NO WORKY!"

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AnthonyUK:

ah

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justinh:

stupid products based on toy system on chips..

[21:58:01]

AnthonyUK:

I'll remember not to put my questions to you like that :P

[21:58:51]

justinh:

like this box that's supposed to pass 200Mb/s to an iSCSI RAID from AoE ... based on a Freescale piece of crap.. it could do about 45Mb/sec. Tops

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AnthonyUK:

still even tho it didn't work out in the long run you must have picked up alot of skills

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justinh:

kind of. Not many skills I wanna use again. Like building DEBs LOL

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AnthonyUK:

debians is that?

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justinh:

anyway in the long run? I was there for over ten years!

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justinh:

survived 3 or 4 rounds of redundancies (two of which were ones where they announced they were going to get rid of some people, let everybody sweat it out & told them a few days later)... hadn't had a performance review or salary increase in over 6 years...

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justinh:

and then there was the commute! 35 miles each way.. and they changed our core hours so we couldn't start at 7am & leave at 3.30pm. So after that it now took over an hour to travel each way. So I thought about moving.. then figured sod that – if I'm gonna sell my house & move why not come back to where I grew up so the kids can be nearer the family? :-)

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justinh:

so I move 120 miles or so North, take a 3 grand payrise.. get private health, better pension.. more holiday days.. and HALF DAY Fridays :-D

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AnthonyUK:

someone i have known online for 3–4 years moved last year to the next state, he and his wife had a kid but now they got know one to babysit for when they need a break, he is looking for a job bk at home so his family can help with that

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AnthonyUK:

no one*

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justinh:

yeah there's that too

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justinh:

we're virtually the only people with young kids on our block in Manchester

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justinh:

plus my wife's only really working to pay for childcare. when we're all back up here she's gonna quit working

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justinh:

and anyway. Manchester is.. MANCHESTER. which is alright if you like that sort of thing

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AnthonyUK:

I like manchester but then again I only go out there from time to time shopping or sight seeing

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AnthonyUK:

considered moving there once but the rent is a bit dearer than Liverpool

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justinh:

wanna buy a house? 3 bed semi on a quiet road (no kids!) only Â£125k

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justinh:

:-D

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AnthonyUK:

hehe

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justinh:

it's only been on the market 2 weeks – I've been away from my kids for a few days – and I'm already pondering dropping the price

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AnthonyUK:

wish i could help ya, all I can say is recently there have been two good conclusions that I know of, my sisters boyfriend sold his house after about a year in sheffield

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justinh:

bedtime I think.. shattered from having to use the 'Office 2012' part of my brain that until today hasn't had much use

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AnthonyUK:

and a friend in sheffields his mum has found a buyer for there house too

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AnthonyUK:

gn justinh and thanks for your help

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justinh:

night :-)

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AnthonyUK:

well lautriv i installed win732 bit on an old comp that this tv card used to work on and now it don't, it cant detect the channels, guess it got broke at some point :(

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AnthonyUK:

didn't realize you had left lautriv, I just typed this to you. [23:43] <AnthonyUK> well lautriv i installed win732 bit on an old comp that this tv card used to work on and now it don't, it cant detect the channels, guess it got broke at some point :(

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lautriv:

AnthonyUK, i didn't leave, just ISP disconnect. however it is not sure that card is defect, sometimes i had such behaviour and tried svereal times and all possibilities and voila it worked again. i would suggest to gho back to linux and have a close look on the fineprint e.g. dmesg, if you get some /dev/dvb/frontendX and such.

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AnthonyUK:

I hope your right I really do it would even be worth all this head banging i have done past 2 days, i hate stuff breaking on me that much its such a waste, il copy down what you said i think i am done, have been at this for 10 hours

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lautriv:

AnthonyUK, maybe some surrounding stuff went wrong .... did you change the kernel, upgrade somethine else and and and

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AnthonyUK:

I think it is broke lautriv, I put it in a computer it used to work in with the same os (win7 32bit) and for the first time i seen win 7 also report it couldnt find channels

[23:09:30]

AnthonyUK:

and no i didnt change kernal i am not that advanced on linux :P

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lautriv:

AnthonyUK, all driver in place ?

[23:09:51]

AnthonyUK:

yep installed every last drive

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AnthonyUK:

they all showed up in device manager like they used too, it just failed at tuning

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lautriv:

AnthonyUK, ever had a look on signal-strenght ?

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AnthonyUK:

i have 2 tuner cards, the nova-t single pci tuner and a peak hardware dual tuner

[23:10:54]

AnthonyUK:

the dual tuner 2 days ago was working off of the same aerial

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lautriv:

AnthonyUK, that is not what i'm about, more the topology of the fault.

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lautriv:

AnthonyUK, does it show a reasonable signal-strenght when you try a scan ?

[23:12:35]

AnthonyUK:

if memory serves i think it hovered at 28%

[23:12:46]

AnthonyUK:

but i wouldnt trust my memory

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AnthonyUK:

il put card back in tomoz and record signal strengh and noise ratio

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lautriv:

28% is not that good for digital

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AnthonyUK:

i will look again, that is prob my memory is wrong

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lautriv:

if you see no or unreasonable rates, have a look on lsmod too.

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jya:

damn, my SBS recording failed again today :( I don't get it, I made the dvb card that can tune on SBS to be the fist one to use

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lautriv:

jya, as in "preferred input" ?

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jya:

no, as in it has the lowest recording priority number as set in mythtv-setup

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jya:

i can watch SBS in live TV by selecting the channel. The signal is slightly blocky.

[23:47:32]

jya:

but it can be watched.

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jya:

but a recording always fail

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lautriv:

jya, may happen the stream has issues

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jya:

i know the stream has issueâ€¦ but recording shouldn't "always" fail when I can tune to it with live TV with 100% success

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lautriv:

jya, what's that sat terestrial or cable ?

[23:49:04]

jya:

FTA

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jya:

DVB-T

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jya:

something changed with that particular channel , my last working recording on it was on June 29th

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lautriv:

no alternate known multiplex ?

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jya:

missed the whole tour de france already

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jya:

it's australia we're talking aboutâ€¦ a channel is found only on one frequency. there's no alternative multiplex on a different channel

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lautriv:

jya, move or replace the antenna ?

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jya:

lautriv: You're kind of missing the pointâ€¦.

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