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Saturday, July 20th, 2013, 00:06 UTC
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[00:35:53] gizmobay: mythweb listings don't match what the guide shows for the corresponding time. How do I fix
[00:36:04] wagnerrp: like, they're offset?
[00:36:11] gizmobay: yes
[00:38:48] gizmobay: It's showing shows from 7 hours ago
[00:39:01] gizmobay: I just updated apache.
[00:39:07] gizmobay: This must be the culprit
[00:39:55] gizmobay: I will try a reboot
[00:41:06] wagnerrp: that shouldn't make any difference
[00:41:22] wagnerrp: i think there is a custom timezone you have to set in your php config
[00:41:29] wagnerrp: by default, it's configured to UTC
[00:42:44] gizmobay: phpinfo() shows the correct timezone
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[00:46:56] gizmobay: maybe it's becuase i'm still running 10.04 and php 5.3.2
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[01:59:56] NoHesHere: Hi, I am a mythtv newbie and am looking for some help, if anyone is around... I cannot seem to get live HD TV to work, SD works fine, recorded HD is fine, but no luck with live HD... Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am running .26
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[02:04:05] wagnerrp: this is using a cablecard tuner?
[02:05:08] NoHesHere: yea
[02:05:12] NoHesHere: HDHomeRun Prime
[02:05:26] NoHesHere: Jul 19 21:52:31 mythtv mythlogserver: mythbackend[6584]: E ProcessRequest fileringbuffer.cpp:290 (OpenFile) FileRingBuf(/mnt/TV/LiveTV/1550_20130720015230.mpg): OpenFile(): File too small (0B).
[02:05:39] NoHesHere: that is the error I seem to get 99% of the time
[02:05:55] NoHesHere: I can paste the whole log if you need that
[02:06:09] wagnerrp: pasteBIN, not paste
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[02:06:25] NoHesHere: oh, yea :)
[02:06:27] NoHesHere: hang on
[02:06:36] wagnerrp: if you try to paste more than a few lines of text into channel, freenode's flood limiters kick in
[02:06:44] NoHesHere: ahh
[02:11:10] NoHesHere: http://pastebin.com/Sf8XG91J
[02:11:22] NoHesHere: I just pasted todays entries, since it is a 6.5mb file
[02:11:55] NoHesHere: its been happening for a few days now, since I got my cablecard, but I just now got around to looking into it
[02:13:54] NoHesHere: you will probably see raspbmc in there, but I tried it on another machine as well that is much more powerful, same result
[02:14:41] NoHesHere: and it seems to happen when using mythfrontend as well
[02:16:40] NoHesHere: these are the error messages from mythfrontend: http://pastebin.com/z3aeKRuu
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[02:25:16] wagnerrp: ugh...
[02:25:30] wagnerrp: rerunning DVI cables, trying to figure out why my graphics card isn't picking up my monitors
[02:25:38] wagnerrp: it never dawns on me to hit the "detect" button
[02:26:43] NoHesHere: heh, that is the worst
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[02:31:07] wagnerrp: i need to cut the chokes off of these things
[02:31:18] wagnerrp: they're like an inch and a half in diameter, and just too large to manage
[02:37:33] wagnerrp: now i have no sound...
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[02:42:09] wagnerrp: apparently my sound card... crashed?
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[04:38:37] lautriv: hi, anyone awake ?
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[14:53:17] lux_2: hi
[14:53:39] lux_2: is it possible to enable subtitles when watching a recording?
[14:55:01] wagnerrp: i believe 't'
[14:55:09] wagnerrp: or you can go through the context menu 'm'
[14:56:59] lux_2: wagnerrp: if there are no subtitles the m-subtitles menu just displays teletext i guess?
[14:57:55] wagnerrp: presumably teletext would be included in the list of subtitles
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[15:02:57] TandyUK2: hi guys, anyone know if its possible to run 2 seperate frontend instances on the same machine, using multiple X screens (1 connected to dvi port with hdmi adaptor, other connected to svideo output/audio out)
[15:03:01] TandyUK2: oh and 2 remote control recievers, thats the bit im not so sure on tbh
[15:03:16] wagnerrp: if you have the power
[15:03:29] wagnerrp: better to use two different X servers though, if possible
[15:04:06] wagnerrp: still better to have two separate machines
[15:04:09] TandyUK2: and how would one go about setting up different x servers?
[15:04:34] TandyUK2: its a dual quad core xeon with 24gb ram, so i dont think power is going to be an issue ;)
[15:05:09] wagnerrp: so this is sitting in a basement somewhere, and you want to run video to two separate rooms?
[15:05:19] TandyUK2: loft actually, but yeah you got it
[15:05:28] wagnerrp: note that USB only supports 16' before you need repeaters
[15:05:39] TandyUK2: thats fine, its all buried in the walls :P
[15:06:19] TandyUK2: individually each screen works fine
[15:06:21] wagnerrp: what graphics card?
[15:06:30] TandyUK2: its just how to get them both running at the same time
[15:07:09] TandyUK2: NVIDIA Corporation G71 [GeForce 7300 GS] (rev a1)
[15:07:26] TandyUK2: sucky card i know, but its hard to find one with svideo on it nowadays!
[15:07:32] wagnerrp: a bit weak... but it might do
[15:07:44] wagnerrp: you can usually find cards up to the 9000 series with svideo
[15:07:51] wagnerrp: anyway, if you can, try using the opengl renderer
[15:08:04] wagnerrp: since that should be able to handle two simultaneous playbacks at once (if you have the power)
[15:08:19] wagnerrp: i believe xvideo only allows one overlay at a time
[15:08:53] wagnerrp: open your ~/.mythtv/config.xml. there should be a LocalHostName value
[15:09:01] wagnerrp: that's the index used to look up configurations in the database
[15:09:27] wagnerrp: you're going to want to use two separate config.xml files, and two different sets of configurations
[15:09:39] TandyUK2: ok so id need a second user effectively
[15:09:41] wagnerrp: so make two copies of your ~/.mythtv, name them whatever you want
[15:10:06] wagnerrp: and launch mythfrontend with the value MYTHCONFDIR set in your environment to the location of that directory
[15:10:10] TandyUK2: the bigger issue tbh, is how to get ubuntu actually to use both screens
[15:10:20] wagnerrp: that way you can launch two separate instances of mythfrontend on the same user account
[15:10:27] wagnerrp: or... as you said, just create two user accounts
[15:10:38] wagnerrp: but then you get into trouble with sharing access to a single X server
[15:10:39] TandyUK2: currently its ocnfigured for svideo only, so even if i plug a screen into the second port, its blank
[15:10:52] TandyUK2: and i have no idea how to turn "svideo only" off again
[15:11:17] wagnerrp: don't use Xorg autoconfiguration, use an xorg.conf file
[15:11:30] wagnerrp: terminate your X server, and run 'X -configure' as root
[15:11:31] lux_2: TandyUK2: you could try lxrandr to use both monitors
[15:11:36] wagnerrp: that will give you something to start with
[15:11:41] wagnerrp: you don't want to use xrandr
[15:11:45] wagnerrp: use two independent screens
[15:11:50] wagnerrp: so :0.0 and :0.1
[15:12:18] wagnerrp: just let each instance of mythtv fullscreen in its isolated screen
[15:12:35] wagnerrp: mouse and keyboard can move around between the two, but applications cannot
[15:12:44] wagnerrp: control of focus will likely be an issue
[15:12:48] wagnerrp: no idea how to solve that one
[15:13:05] wagnerrp: nested X servers might do it, but i've never messed with those
[15:13:39] wagnerrp: basically... there's a whole lot of hurdles to deal with, and most people find it easier to just use separate machines than waste the time solving them
[15:13:43] TandyUK2: heres something you might know... how do i prevent ubuntu popping up "software updates"
[15:13:52] wagnerrp: don't know that. i don't use ubuntu
[15:14:05] TandyUK2: keeps having issues on all my myth systems where ubuntu thorws that up on top of myth, locking out the remote control
[15:14:17] TandyUK2: i have to vnc in and close it before the user can continue watching tv
[15:14:55] TandyUK2: yeah, but most people dont have a $3000 machine running their myth, with ups etc etc
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[15:15:22] wagnerrp: i've probably got somewhere around that sunk into mine over the years
[15:15:31] wagnerrp: mostly on hard drives though
[15:15:45] TandyUK2: downstairs i have a seperate frontend, but for the upstairs tvs (and in prep for if we can ever install myth into hotels etc) getting this sorted would be nice :P
[15:16:02] TandyUK2: tbh this only has around $800 of disks in it
[15:16:02] lux_2: TandyUK2: maybe you can disable the update notification somewhere in the options
[15:16:07] wagnerrp: easier to get by on $200-$250 frontends, and not worry about an overpowered backend
[15:16:46] TandyUK2: it has 2x twin channel dvb-s2 cards, 2x twin channel dvb-t cards, and a dual channel analog card (connected via scart to 2 vcr's)
[15:17:00] TandyUK2: and with multirec, it happily records 20+ shows simultaneously
[15:17:19] wagnerrp: i imagine my considerably lesser powered system could handily manage the same
[15:17:32] wagnerrp: digital recording is very light on a system
[15:17:37] wagnerrp: requires more IO than it does CPU
[15:17:45] TandyUK2: hmmm what hardware you using
[15:18:00] TandyUK2: this is 2x satix dual dvb-s cards and 2 nova-t 500's
[15:18:09] TandyUK2: id argue the total opposite tbh lol
[15:18:16] TandyUK2: its all cpu heavy,
[15:18:31] wagnerrp: doesn't matter. digital recording is nothing more than copying a stream to disk
[15:18:31] TandyUK2: the old analog card however has on board mpeg2 encoders, so uses virtually nothing
[15:18:40] wagnerrp: there is no recompression, there is no reprocessing
[15:18:57] wagnerrp: all mythtv does is read out the GOP into the database
[15:19:20] wagnerrp: now you need a whole lot of power if you intend to do real time commercial flagging on all those recordings
[15:19:27] TandyUK2: aye,
[15:19:33] wagnerrp: but that's a batch task, and does not need to happen in real time
[15:19:34] TandyUK2: thats true lol
[15:19:46] wagnerrp: especially considering you're not going to be watching all 20 recordings in real time
[15:19:46] TandyUK2: afaik is does that the second the show ends
[15:20:31] TandyUK2: its also fileserver for about 10 pcs/sonos media players
[15:20:45] wagnerrp: ditto
[15:20:46] TandyUK2: gotta do something with the 12tb of disk space lol
[15:20:58] wagnerrp: but that's still more about IO than CPU
[15:21:19] wagnerrp: unless you're using a filesystem that does live compression or something
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[16:08:02] dashs: Can u point me to a discussion of "tuner allocation" – for both livetv and recording?
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[18:27:25] Korny: dashs, what exactly is your question?
[18:28:01] wagnerrp: oh, he has no question
[18:28:42] dashs: Looking for documentation of how to control tuner allocation via mythtv config. For both live and scheduled.
[18:29:51] Korny: TandyUK2, I'd hate to see your power bill :/
[18:30:10] wagnerrp: dashs: just adjust the priorities
[18:31:06] Korny: I probably have mine setup goofy, but I have my recording and live tv priorities opposites of each other so hdhr 1 is 1 for live and 4 for recorded
[18:31:25] wagnerrp: that's typical (well opposite of typical)
[18:31:27] Korny: and hdhr 4 is 4 for live and 1 for recordig
[18:31:55] dashs: OK. Thanks.
[18:32:10] wagnerrp: it's the old "make livetv avoid recordings" option, but in reverse
[18:32:28] Korny: Well I figure I have the tuners why not
[18:33:04] dashs: Yes. I'm single-source 4/8 hdhr tuners.
[18:33:24] Korny: My parents are still breaking my recordings however lol, if the are watching a live tv on channel 11 and a recording is supposed to start at 10pm the recording never fires but live tv continues :/
[18:33:36] Korny: if the recording is on channel 11
[18:45:44] SteveGoodey: Where do they dig these stupid names up for the wiki?
[18:46:00] wagnerrp: random name generator?
[18:46:11] wagnerrp: well... the hotmail ban worked for what, two weeks?
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[18:53:45] SteveGoodey: Sigh, still seems an improvement over what it was. No complaints of any false bans yet, although being banned how could they moan, lol.
[18:54:03] wagnerrp: i've only ever had one person complain
[18:54:17] wagnerrp: he created a new account, and mentioned on my page that he had been banned incorrectly
[18:54:27] Korny: Has anyone had luck using the primetime filter I attempted to use it on a show that recored 7p-9p, or is primetime 8p to 11p?
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[19:05:54] dashs: I understand how to set preferred input for a particular scheduled item, how is that done for Live TV?
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[19:18:27] wagnerrp: in mythtv setup, input connections
[19:18:51] wagnerrp: you don't set a preferred input, you set an order of preference
[19:19:04] ** wagnerrp hates wire chokes **
[19:22:22] TandyUK2: [19:29:50] <Korny> TandyUK2, I'd hate to see your power bill :/ << Solar PV array in the roof.. they pay me ;)
[19:22:28] TandyUK2: s/in/on
[19:24:05] dashs: wagnerrp: thanks
[19:24:34] wagnerrp: must be a big one, i thought the UK was too far north and too overcast to make much efficient use of solar
[19:27:27] wagnerrp: my monitors are too far from my desktop to comfortably pull my desktop out from the wall, so i bought some new DVI cables
[19:27:46] wagnerrp: the chokes on these things are enormous
[19:27:59] wagnerrp: i've got them clamped in a vice, and i'm attempting to cut them off with a hack saw
[19:28:37] wagnerrp: i can't even close my computer case with them on
[19:35:45] Steve-Goodey: How good are these household panels, how long to get your money back?
[19:35:46] TandyUK2: nah we have 16 panels kicking out 280V dc between 3.8 and 5.5kwh
[19:36:01] TandyUK2: south facing, gonna be about 15 years before it pays for itself
[19:36:25] TandyUK2: one of my customers has a 150+ panel array, with 3 inverters, giving otu the maximum 50kwh
[19:36:37] TandyUK2: but that covers the entire of a barn roof
[19:36:55] TandyUK2: powers his entire site, and then some
[19:37:06] wagnerrp: 15yrs... actually better than i expected
[19:37:22] TandyUK2: of course we do get up there and clean them every 2 weeks
[19:37:34] TandyUK2: makes a HUGE difference
[19:37:48] wagnerrp: does this run into a battery unit? or does it just flow directly in and out?
[19:38:00] TandyUK2: we're right on the south coast btw, so probably the best placei nthe uk for solar
[19:38:04] TandyUK2: no its grid tied
[19:38:18] TandyUK2: the myth however is on an ups
[19:38:31] TandyUK2: along with every other bit of computer equipment in the building
[19:38:59] TandyUK2: i just need to get ~£500 of new lead acid batteries and i can recondition a 4kva ups i recycled from a customer too
[19:39:40] Steve-Goodey: 2 weeks! That more often than my windows get done. Is the drop off that bad?
[19:39:45] TandyUK2: that will be getting hardwired into the building, between our main fuse board (the one attached to the grid, which has the pv attached to it), and the sub board running all our useful stuff
[19:40:01] wagnerrp: with salty sea air? probably
[19:40:07] TandyUK2: 4 external battery rakcs with 8x 13.8v 9ah batteries in
[19:40:23] TandyUK2: yeah thats it, if we werent right on the coast it would need mayeb every 2 months
[19:40:28] TandyUK2: but salty sea air is nasty shit
[19:40:57] TandyUK2: its hard to judge, because it varies so much day to day anyway
[19:41:08] TandyUK2: but put it this way, this week has been a heatwave
[19:41:19] TandyUK2: 12 noon on monday, it was kicking out 3.98kwh
[19:41:35] TandyUK2: tuesday afternoon they got cleaned, wednesday at noon it was kicking out 4.88kwh
[19:41:50] wagnerrp: kwh?
[19:41:52] TandyUK2: i really need to move the inverter
[19:41:53] Steve-Goodey: Ah, that explains it. Didn't think the ones near me were done that often.
[19:41:58] TandyUK2: kilowatt hours
[19:42:05] TandyUK2: at 250v
[19:42:06] wagnerrp: kw, maybe?
[19:42:20] TandyUK2: same thing wagnerrp ;)
[19:42:26] wagnerrp: no it isn't...
[19:42:30] wagnerrp: one is energy, one is power
[19:42:35] TandyUK2: < electrician and yes it is
[19:42:50] TandyUK2: kw is the amoutn of energy, in joules, that a device uses in the space of one hour
[19:42:59] wagnerrp: no, that's kwh
[19:43:03] TandyUK2: most people are just lazy and leave off the /h on the end
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[19:43:23] wagnerrp: kwh/h is just kw, and is a pointless unit
[19:43:50] TandyUK2: tuesday afternoon they got cleaned, wednesday at noon it was kicking out 4.88kw/h
[19:43:51] wagnerrp: unless you're specifically using it to measure the hour averaged power output, rather than instantaneous
[19:43:52] TandyUK2: better?
[19:43:57] wagnerrp: no, that's even worse
[19:44:14] TandyUK2: lol
[19:44:23] wagnerrp: that means your load was increasing at 4.88kw each hour
[19:44:41] TandyUK2: that was the gereation from the panels
[19:44:46] TandyUK2: being exported to the grid
[19:44:57] TandyUK2: not counting what of that power we actually usedi nthe building
[19:45:06] TandyUK2: joys of how they do export meters in houses
[19:45:28] TandyUK2: pv array > export meter > our fuseboard > house meter > grid
[19:45:53] TandyUK2: they just assume 50% use and 50% export, so where we use probably 100% of it, we get paid for not exporting power :P
[19:46:23] wagnerrp: that's screwy...
[19:46:42] wagnerrp: so much for the "smart grid" when they're measuring things like that
[19:47:16] TandyUK2: yup lol
[19:47:43] TandyUK2: so i will be tweaking my ups's to use batteries at night and recharge during the day when i get round to it
[19:47:49] wagnerrp: i know the test lab i used to work at would be charged based off their maximum power usage, not their total energy usage
[19:48:14] TandyUK2: i would hazard a guess there that they were 3 phase
[19:48:21] TandyUK2: so it works a little differently
[19:48:30] wagnerrp: they had signs up to make sure to run the compressors at night when usage was low
[19:48:33] TandyUK2: single phase you can easily and accurately measuer actual use
[19:49:05] wagnerrp: yeah, they were running several hundred kw, two 800A panels of three-phase
[19:49:07] TandyUK2: three phase, it gets complicated, so most power companies, to avoid putting in REALLY expensive meters just take averages and base your usage on that
[19:49:42] TandyUK2: were talking several thousand pound meters here, not the £50 or so a household (<200A) meter costs
[19:50:30] wagnerrp: all in a little building maybe 50'x25'
[19:50:47] wagnerrp: most of it was just to reheat that air up to functional temperatures when draining those air tanks
[19:50:59] TandyUK2: sounds nuts lol
[19:51:10] TandyUK2: my yard we are going to be trying a new heating method this winter
[19:51:16] TandyUK2: the office building needs aircon
[19:51:24] TandyUK2: the garages/workshops need heating
[19:51:57] TandyUK2: so air con extract > compressor > air line down to other building > floor vents
[19:52:08] TandyUK2: whether it'll save any money or not we'll have to wait and see :P
[19:52:51] TandyUK2: last winter with no heating at all i nthe offices, the servers kept it at a nice 17C minimum :P
[19:52:52] wagnerrp: when you're storing at several thousand PSI, and dumping it through a wind tunnel to atmospheric, you can very easily end up with cryogenic temperatures
[19:52:55] wagnerrp: not good test conditions
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[19:53:58] TandyUK2: is uppose you might know then whats likely to happen to 25C air, when it is compressed and sent down ~20m of high pressure air line?
[19:54:27] TandyUK2: more like 35C at the moment lol, but nothing needs heating in summer
[19:54:37] wagnerrp: it will get hot, cool off some, and then be slightly lower than 25C when you decompress it
[19:54:53] TandyUK2: cool, so might actually work then :)
[19:54:57] lautriv: hey there ;) anyone awake ? my slave backend tells me "Cannot find (ping) database host node002 on the network" but i have all occurences of "node002"replaced by IP , why does it still ask for the hostname ?
[19:55:18] wagnerrp: where did you replace them?
[19:56:33] lautriv: wherever i had one like /etc/mythtv /var/lib/mythtv etc. double-checked with grep -r but it may be in DB which is curious how would it read DB if not reachable ?
[19:57:12] wagnerrp: i mean... you used mythtv-setup? you edited a file?
[19:57:38] lautriv: both, the configs on clients and mythtv-setup on backends.
[19:58:06] wagnerrp: check your ~/.mythtv/config.xml on the slave backend
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[20:01:28] wagnerrp: sphery: aww... you ruined the secret...
[20:02:18] lautriv: wagnerrp, that was probably the issue.....clients have /var/lib/mythtv but backends have /home/mythtv and that wasn't grepped . hopefully the last issue ( actually my backends crashing after 5 minutes and i wonder why)
[20:02:38] wagnerrp: for that, i need logs
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[20:05:10] lautriv: hmmm, no complains about reachability but status still on "not connected" will reboot, maybe some tunermodule/firmware.
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[20:26:16] lomion0815: Does anybody know how to get a livecd (or usb stick) with latest 0.26-fixes mythfrontend
[20:26:40] lomion0815: mythbuntu 12.04.02 is using a outdated database schema ...
[20:27:04] wagnerrp: i'm sure mythbuntu 12.04 is using the schema for the version it has installed
[20:27:17] wagnerrp: which if i remember correctly is 0.25
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[20:28:29] lomion0815: exactly 1299 ...
[20:29:00] tgm4883: lomion0815, live cd is for testing
[20:29:48] tgm4883: lomion0815, so install 0.26 on it via the mythtv repos which is easily enabled via the mythbuntu control centre
[20:30:35] lomion0815: I can not install anything on this laptop. That's why I intended to use a live cd
[20:31:16] tgm4883: lomion0815, so you'd need to install 0.26 every time you boot the live cd
[20:31:38] wagnerrp: why not netboot the laptop instead?
[20:31:56] lomion0815: Want to use WLAN
[20:32:02] wagnerrp: dont?
[20:32:22] tgm4883: lomion0815, use a persistant USB
[20:32:25] wagnerrp: it's a bad idea to attempt mythtv over wireless in general
[20:32:35] tgm4883: wagnerrp, +1
[20:33:14] lomion0815: why is that?
[20:33:28] wagnerrp: because wireless is unreliable and slow
[20:33:31] tgm4883: speed/reliability
[20:34:32] lomion0815: it is not my permanent installation so i can live with low speed and reliablity ;-)
[20:34:46] lomion0815: persistant USB?
[20:34:58] wagnerrp: a live USB stick, rather than a live CD
[20:35:06] wagnerrp: one that you can store changes to
[20:35:48] tgm4883: yes, although it needs to be made persistant. IIRC, the usb live disk creator that ships with ubuntu can make it persistant
[20:36:26] tgm4883: there isn't much difference between a regular live usb and a live cd, other than usb is way faster
[20:38:18] lomion0815: interesting! I'll ask Google for it ...
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