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| [03:13:33] | papertigers: | Hey guys, looking to get back into mythtv. Plan is to record 1080 live tv. Is a SSD recommended? Also is anyone recording live TV to an NFS share? |
| [03:14:21] | [R]: | for recording onto? of course not |
| [03:14:36] | [R]: | and lots of people use remote storage |
| [03:15:11] | papertigers: | [R]: if I use remote storage as my primary storage group, will I notice lag in live TV? |
| [03:15:56] | [R]: | well if its not fast enough to stream the files in a timely manner it probably just waont work |
| [03:16:30] | [R]: | but allt he cool kids have a seperate backend and a frontend to begin with |
| [03:16:55] | papertigers: | I plan to have a separate backend and frontend as well |
| [03:17:26] | papertigers: | Just wondering if the gigabit ethernet will be a bottleneck for recording and watching tv |
| [03:17:50] | [R]: | depends on the content |
| [03:20:17] | papertigers: | With storage groups I could do live TV off of an SSD and move them to permanent storage after |
| [03:20:20] | papertigers: | correct? |
| [03:22:22] | [R]: | taht seems like an awfully bad idea |
| [03:22:27] | [R]: | but you can do whatevr you want |
| [03:22:53] | papertigers: | why do you view that as a bad idea? constant writes to a ssd? |
| [03:23:03] | [R]: | well for one, livetv sucks |
| [03:23:09] | [R]: | for two, livetv gets deleted |
| [03:23:13] | [R]: | and it'll kill the drive |
| [03:24:30] | papertigers: | [R]: why does live tv suck? |
| [03:25:06] | [R]: | because you're being a slave to the channel |
| [03:25:09] | [R]: | seize the day |
| [03:25:17] | [R]: | its 2013, not 1980 |
| [03:27:26] | papertigers: | If I didn't want live id just go with a torrent |
| [03:30:45] | papertigers: | so its still preferred to use spinning disks for live tv |
| [03:31:31] | [R]: | its preferred to use whategver you want |
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| [04:35:17] | wagnerrp: | papertigers: see topic, piracy will not be tolerated |
| [04:36:11] | papertigers: | wagnerrp: of course :) thats why Im a paying cable subscriber with mythtv |
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| [05:26:48] | lwizardl: | would mythtv support the ir blaster on hdpvr 1212 ? |
| [05:27:02] | [R]: | mythtv doesnt support ir anyting |
| [05:27:03] | [R]: | lirc does |
| [05:27:26] | lwizardl: | sorry, does lirc support the ir blaster from the hdpvr |
| [05:28:16] | [R]: | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lirc+hdpvr |
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| [13:05:40] | Guest51933: | Does anyone know if HDHomeRun Dual can also receive analog OTA signal like NTSC? |
| [13:08:27] | wagnerrp_: | no, and there would be no point to it anyway |
| [13:08:36] | wagnerrp_: | such things are rare these days |
| [13:09:23] | Guest51933: | I was thinking of taking it overseas where digital OTA still isn't the standard. That's why I'm asking. |
| [13:09:23] | wagnerrp_: | the only analog stations still running are very low power (and range) |
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| [13:09:50] | wagnerrp: | well oversees, it's equally useless |
| [13:10:01] | wagnerrp: | the 'N' stands for 'North American' |
| [13:10:24] | wagnerrp: | most of the rest of the world uses (or previously used) PAL |
| [13:11:43] | Guest51933: | Any similar device that can do what HDHomeRun does with analog? |
| [13:12:05] | wagnerrp: | meaning a network attached analog tuner? not that i'm aware of |
| [13:12:21] | Guest51933: | Thanks. |
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| [13:13:39] | wagnerrp: | the closest you could come would probably be a little ARM box paired with a PVR-USB2 or HVR-1950 (HVR-1900 for oversees), running as a slave backend |
| [13:13:44] | wagnerrp: | and... you left |
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| [17:41:18] | smoothifier: | i am trying to trace a bug in the language translation of mythweb. English works fine, but switching to any other language does nothing. I increased the logging of PHP to no avail. I'm not sure what to try next to trace this error. looking at all of these linked php files makes my brain hurt :) |
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| [17:41:54] | smoothifier: | the time formats don't change when the language is selected, and neither do any of the key words on the screen |
| [17:43:32] | smoothifier: | i managed to enter the correct time values, and things seem to be working. i'm just thinking there may be other things affected i haven't seen as a result of this bug. |
| [17:49:27] | knightr: | smoothifier, this has always worked, I am wondering if that's not a side effect of the other patch you applied to fix your previous issue. |
| [17:50:03] | smoothifier: | knightr: maybe it is. i'll switch back and see |
| [17:53:23] | knightr: | I am responsible for MythTV translation stuff but that problem is more PHP related so kormoc or xris both of which work or worked on MythWeb would probably be able to help you more than I can... |
| [17:54:39] | knightr: | I can't curently test if it still work A-Ok currently but will do as soon as I get the chance... |
| [17:55:04] | smoothifier: | that's cool. it's the holiday where i am and i wouldn't expect much movement in the immediate future :) |
| [17:56:09] | smoothifier: | just going to swap those lines back to see what's what. i've enjoyed learning what i've learned about PHP. it's just that i'm often daunted when trying to understand code of a project this size. |
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| [18:01:54] | smoothifier: | well, it's hard to see exactly what's happening with the screen littered with !!NoTrans: element!! but I changed languages to French and German and the TV Time Formats remain the same as they do for English. |
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| [18:07:22] | knightr: | smoothifier, and I know they are not supposed to be the same (I am also one of the French (and also English) translators) so it's not reloading them properly... |
| [18:09:03] | smoothifier: | i'd love to be the one to figure it out, but i've been trying for about 2 hours. i have an idea where the magic happens, i just can't quite see how. |
| [18:10:18] | smoothifier: | i'm lucky if i come up with three separate source files on the projects i work on. :) |
| [18:10:54] | smoothifier: | i just can't figure out the flow from one file to another |
| [18:12:06] | knightr: | smoothifier, you did open a ticket for that, right? |
| [18:12:14] | smoothifier: | yes |
| [18:12:31] | knightr: | could you give me the ticket number? |
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| [18:12:37] | smoothifier: | yes one second |
| [18:13:02] | smoothifier: | 11643 |
| [18:14:19] | smoothifier: | it could probably use a little more explanation. i was pretty tired when i wrote that |
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| [18:15:43] | knightr: | smoothifier, I have assigned it to kormoc, he's one of our PHP gurus (and one of MythWeb's maintainer), if anybody can get to the bottom of this problem it's him... |
| [18:16:01] | smoothifier: | thanks, knightr |
| [18:16:19] | smoothifier: | i bet it's simple. it usually is. |
| [18:16:33] | knightr: | I'll look on my side too but it's probably trivial for him to get to the bottom of it but it's not for you or me... |
| [18:16:42] | smoothifier: | Fedora 19 uses php 5.5 |
| [18:16:42] | knightr: | :-) yep, most likely... |
| [18:17:12] | smoothifier: | but there's nothing in the error_log. i increased the verbosity and i can't see a thing |
| [18:17:46] | knightr: | no problem... |
| [18:18:08] | smoothifier: | it's cool, this is my VM so it's just a test case for now. i'll leave my backend working and hold off on upgrading to 19 for a week or two. |
| [18:19:18] | knightr: | a vm could definitely cause problems with other parts of MythTV but I am pretty a PHP application is not one of them... |
| [18:24:05] | smoothifier: | i haven't tried any recording |
| [18:24:24] | smoothifier: | not sure i could. i have an hd homerun, but... it's on the other subnet |
| [18:24:51] | smoothifier: | i'll try that out when i have something live. i just wanted to see if things immediately core dumped or what have you |
| [18:25:27] | smoothifier: | so far, i managed to watch live tv with mythfrontend on the vm |
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| [18:25:56] | smoothifier: | so that's proabably a good sign :) |
| [18:27:22] | knightr: | smoothifier, I am not sure if it could work over subnets, maybe... IIRC I think the HdHomerun code can use the MAC address so theorically I guess it could... |
| [18:27:56] | knightr: | yep, pretty good if it actually used it... :-) |
| [18:28:17] | smoothifier: | well, i guess i could remove the video source from the working regular backend, and add it to the VM backend |
| [18:28:32] | smoothifier: | maybe that's a good idea |
| [18:29:05] | smoothifier: | i have a feeling things are going to be okay |
| [18:30:43] | knightr: | smoothifier, keep in mind that using MythTV in a VM is not supported though... |
| [18:31:01] | smoothifier: | no, i don't plan on it |
| [18:31:19] | smoothifier: | i just thought i could test out fedora 19 |
| [18:31:46] | smoothifier: | i don't really have a spare machine to run it in anyway. I turn this machine off at night. |
| [18:32:05] | knightr: | ah, OK.. |
| [18:33:36] | smoothifier: | yeah, this is just for testing. i wanted to see if i could get a few kinks out first. i hope i'm not wasting anyone's time because this is a VM. I think, though, that if i was having general database issues, i would not be able to view the current tv listings, period |
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| [18:34:36] | smoothifier: | pretty much everything is working except for the glitch with the language, and really, that's working for me since I'm not having to switch languages |
| [18:35:13] | knightr: | smoothifier, I am pretty sure the worst issues you could have with a VM are (tuner and video) hardware related... Your PHP issue is neither.. |
| [18:36:11] | smoothifier: | yes, i figured as much. i think if i tried to record, i'd see problems. if i run into those, i'll run into them on a regular old-fashioned machine |
| [18:37:27] | smoothifier: | this is set up as 127.0.0.1/127.0.0.1 — at one point, it was connected to my regular backend, but it was slow going, so i disconnected it. |
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| [18:44:20] | smoothifier: | knightr: thanks for you help. off to take a break. have a good fourth, even if you're not in the usa. :) |
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| [20:14:52] | lwizardl: | okay so I have failed at installing mythtv for a fully working system in mythbuntu. So to be able to have dual displays is it better to do a standard linux install first and then add mythtv or to retry mythbuntu ? |
| [20:15:17] | [R]: | there is no "better" |
| [20:15:23] | [R]: | in the end its the same |
| [20:18:04] | lwizardl: | just wondering because I have been fighting to get a working system for a while now. I bought a device that was said to be the most supported for my input device and still run into problems. |
| [20:23:25] | lwizardl: | im going to put the installer on my usb drive and retry the mythbuntu install again. wish me luck |
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| [20:49:49] | wizbit: | how long does it take for EIT to fill mythtv with data? |
| [20:50:09] | [R]: | it depends on what type of EIT and how much there is |
| [20:50:28] | wizbit: | its UK EIT |
| [20:50:34] | [R]: | you can turn on a verbose flag for it |
| [20:50:36] | [R]: | and see it happen |
| [20:50:43] | wizbit: | my friends guide has only filled up slightly, waited for 2 hours |
| [20:51:02] | wizbit: | shall i use mythfilldatabase? |
| [20:51:02] | [R]: | its completely idle? |
| [20:51:08] | [R]: | mythfilldatabase is for downloading |
| [20:51:09] | wizbit: | just about yes |
| [20:51:12] | [R]: | you never want to mix EIT and downloading |
| [20:51:24] | wizbit: | ok no its not downloading, its just EIT |
| [20:51:37] | [R]: | thats what mythfill is for... downloading |
| [20:51:51] | wizbit: | ok thats my fault |
| [20:52:03] | wizbit: | maybe it needs a re-scan |
| [20:52:07] | wizbit: | the tv actually works |
| [20:52:22] | wagnerrp: | well you can, just not on the same channel |
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| [20:52:57] | wizbit: | can a corrupted database stop it from filling up? |
| [20:53:41] | [R]: | what makes you think its corru\pt |
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| [20:54:46] | wizbit: | there was a database error before hand |
| [20:54:55] | wizbit: | i then fixed it using the database repair function |
| [20:55:04] | wagnerrp: | if the database was corrupted, you would continue to see database errors |
| [20:55:16] | wizbit: | now the guide appears, but only a few channels have data |
| [20:55:38] | wizbit: | all the channels work on tv |
| [20:55:49] | wizbit: | there are no errors in backend.log |
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| [20:59:45] | wagnerrp: | did you scan? or did you use a channels.conf? |
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| [21:00:44] | wizbit: | its just a scan using a dvb-t card |
| [21:00:47] | wizbit: | nova-t |
| [21:01:00] | wizbit: | actually its starting to fill up now!! |
| [21:01:01] | wagnerrp: | i mean mythtv's internal scanner, or an external scanner and a channels.conf import |
| [21:01:09] | wizbit: | internal |
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| [21:51:16] | wizbit: | database was corrupt, did a restore from backup, works fine now |
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