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Sunday, June 9th, 2013, 00:03 UTC

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wagnerrp:

bill6502: why do people force all those compile flags?

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bill6502:

My best guess: "Because they're there" (and they haven't read the lists/channels much.)

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wagnerrp:

they haven't read any channels or any lists much

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wagnerrp:

are there any projects that recommend you throw dozens of command line options at configure just because they're there?

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bill6502:

clearly beyond my pay grade, but I wonder if it's some kind of human nature thing. no, I don't know of such projects.

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bill6502:

although enabling something that has a default of enabled seems like a waste of perfectly good bytes

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wagnerrp:

i really need to get doxygen set up locally, so i don't have to push and try against the repo and buildbot

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pragmaticenigma:

most of the flags are to enable and disable various features for CPU architectures, chip sets and available software libraries. I agree that there are way too many and it'd be nice to just have a default or simple enable all.

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wagnerrp:

most of those are unnecessary, as the configure script will determine on its own what to enable and disable on its own

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wagnerrp:

the only time you need to fiddle manually is for cross compilation

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Moeabm09:

Anyone using HDHomeRun dual? Im trying to open HTTP stream directly and could use some help

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wagnerrp:

yes, never tried

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wagnerrp:

i just use the library

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wagnerrp:

rather, mythtv just uses the library

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pragmaticenigma:

Moeabm09: what are you trying to attempt... the HomeRun doesn't stream over HTTP

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wagnerrp:

newer firmwares do

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pragmaticenigma:

really? I just used the software that is in the repos to access mine

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that's what everyone does

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wagnerrp:

actually, they released (will be releasing?) a new version with encoding capability

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wagnerrp:

to allow direct HTTP streaming to mobile devices

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pragmaticenigma:

really? on the fly compression to mp4 or something?

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wagnerrp:

they backported the code to the existing boxes sans encoding, for whatever devices have the bandwidth and ability to handle MPEG2 directly

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wagnerrp:

i'm not sure if it has made it into the stable firmware yet, or just beta firmwares

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wagnerrp:

either way, it has nothing to do with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

isn't there a silicon dust channel on freenode?

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pragmaticenigma:

sweet, I didn't think they would still be updating the firmware for mine

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pragmaticenigma:

guess one just came out a few months ago

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pragmaticenigma:

perhaps it solves the issues with bad time codes in my recordings

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wagnerrp:

could you pastebin some errors?

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pragmaticenigma:

me?

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wagnerrp:

for the bad timecodes

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pragmaticenigma:

It's only an issue when I attempt to manually edit out the commercials. it's as if the first or last few second of the show I've recorded

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pragmaticenigma:

I don't have any error logs, just user experience

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wagnerrp:

manually edit using edit mode/cutlists/mythtranscode?

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pragmaticenigma:

edit mode

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pragmaticenigma:

what will happen is I will attempt to go to very beginning and if I have anything other than key frame selected for moving forward, it will get stuck at around the 2 second mark

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wagnerrp:

try refreshing the seek table

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pragmaticenigma:

How do I do that?

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pragmaticenigma:

It usually only happens on the local CBS and PBS affiliate stations in Minneapolis, Minnesota

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wagnerrp:

mythcommflag --chanid whatever --starttime whatever --rebuild

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pragmaticenigma:

This issue happens even if I haven't run commercial flagging.

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wagnerrp:

not commercial flagging, seektable

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wagnerrp:

the seek table is what mythtv uses so that it doesn't have to perform trial-and-error when seeking

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wagnerrp:

it's normally built as you're recording

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wagnerrp:

but there have been times that the initial table was messed up

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pragmaticenigma:

but the command you just provided is for commercial flagging is it not?

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wagnerrp:

typically, yes

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wagnerrp:

but the '--rebuild' flag says otherwise

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wagnerrp:

it was just stuffed in there as it was convenient

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pragmaticenigma:

ah, okay

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wagnerrp:

you can also do 'mythtranscode --buildindex'

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pragmaticenigma:

I'll give that a try next time

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wagnerrp:

it's the same process, and is automatically done anyway any time you transcode a recording

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wagnerrp:

--buildindex just tells it to skip the transcoding step, and only rebuild the seek tbale

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pragmaticenigma:

interesting ... and good to know. Is it possible that the seek table being the reason commercial flagging sometimes misses the mark? (i.e. catches the last few seconds of the commercial break even though there is a clear black out between commercial and show?

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wagnerrp:

i think that's intentional, and controllable through an option in frontend settings

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wagnerrp:

whoops, forgot to bump the ABI version

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Moeabm09:

thx for the input HDHR does not stream over HTTP. I think its restricted to Prime. im running beta and it wont connect.

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Moeabm09:

so im capturing with hdhomerun_config but mythtv resets the HDHR stream on backend launch anyone have any idea on how to prevent this or is there a reason I should not stop this?

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wagnerrp:

because mythtv expects unrestricted access to the tuners it is aware of

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pragmaticenigma:

also, if you have the EIT option enabled could be doing it as well

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Moeabm09:

currently if im recording from HDhomerun_config and lauch the backend it breaks the record.

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wagnerrp:

it doesn't expect to be fighting anything else for control, so it does not check to make sure nothing else is using it

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wagnerrp:

in other words, don't do that, or submit a patch for mythtv to behave nicer in shared environments

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Moeabm09:

I assumed that :/ I dont know if i should shell out for another tuner or try to make it work against mythtv's liking

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wagnerrp:

why are you manually recording?

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Moeabm09:

I am trying to create a quadview of 4 progams

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Moeabm09:

on the fly instead of takign the recordings and transcoding

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pragmaticenigma:

What I think most do, is just setup one tuner for MythTV and leave the other for other tasks

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wagnerrp:

but the prime only has three tuners

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Moeabm09:

well they are on 3 multiplexes. I have to HDHR

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wagnerrp:

seems like it would be easier to just expand mythtv's PIP capability

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wagnerrp:

so you're using it as a QAM tuner, not a cablecard tuner?

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Moeabm09:

ya

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wagnerrp:

in cablecard mode, you can only access one stream, not one multiplex

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Moeabm09:

I see

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Moeabm09:

i have no need for a cable card

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wagnerrp:

limitation of the cablecard spec, it requires one physical tuner per stream

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Moeabm09:

its for local newscasts in clearQam

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wagnerrp:

wouldn't it have been cheaper to just get standard HDHRs then?

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Moeabm09:

i do have standard HDHR's

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wagnerrp:

oh, the HTTP thing is only available to primes, and you have a standard, not a prime

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Moeabm09:

Right

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pragmaticenigma:

Doesn't Ceton now make a network type tuner for cable card. Also, they seem to be able to handle 6 cable streams on one card

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pragmaticenigma:

maybe I have that wrong

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wagnerrp:

cablecard supports up to six streams (six physical tuners) on one M-card

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Moeabm09:

I think my best bet at this point im best served using more HDHR's

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wagnerrp:

all cablecard tuners are networked tuners

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Moeabm09:

thank you guys.

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pragmaticenigma:

Can never have too many HDHRs

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pragmaticenigma:

:-)

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Moeabm09:

:D

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wagnerrp:

they all exist as an isolated system operating on the far side of a network link

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Moeabm09:

SO cablecards. do most providers allow them?

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wagnerrp:

even the USB and PCIe tuners have an internal network bridge

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wagnerrp:

all cable providers in the US are required by FCC mandate to offer them

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pragmaticenigma:

Cable providers are required by law to do so in the US.

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pragmaticenigma:

Although many will give you lots of grief for wanting one

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wagnerrp:

the network isolation is to prevent DMA access to the hardware. it's an easy way to prevent users from tampering

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Moeabm09:

Nice. I've always put off building one for home because I thought my only option was ClearQam

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wagnerrp:

who is your cable provider?

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Moeabm09:

COX

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wagnerrp:

looks like they're fairly open... http://www.ronfrazier.net/mythtv/cci/index.php?id=13

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not (and cannot) enforce any form of DRM, so we are not actually licensed to use cablecard tuners

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wagnerrp:

as a result, we can only use them as conditional access devices, and are not allowed access to any content that is flagged for copy protection

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pragmaticenigma:

ClearQam is soon to disappear in the US if the cable companies have their way

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wagnerrp:

you can only access those channels not flagged, or flagged "Copy Free"

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wagnerrp:

that scan is almost two years old though

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Moeabm09:

wow it is quite open. Ill have too look into that when i have some free time. Thanks for the info. wagnerrp

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pragmaticenigma:

Currently the US Cable companies are lobbying the FCC to be able to require all customers to use a converter box so they don't have to physically disconnect service anymore when a customer cancels.

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sheppard:

lol

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sheppard:

poor cablecos, actually having to do work

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pragmaticenigma:

The FCC kind of likes the idea, but consumers aren't so happy about it

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wagnerrp:

i hate it when i have to issue a password reset just to figure out what email address i used to sign up...

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pragmaticenigma:

especially since some converter boxes require as much power as a home refrigerator

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pragmaticenigma:

1st world problems my friend

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wagnerrp:

the amusing thing is that only "basic cable" isn't encrypted

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wagnerrp:

basic cable being the local broadcast channels, retransmitted over the cable

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wagnerrp:

usually along with the local cable access and cspan

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wagnerrp:

in other words, nothing of value outside what you can pick up with an antenna

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wagnerrp:

so when you're "stealing cable", you're really not doing anything of concern

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pragmaticenigma:

The cable companies are required to do that for low income families that can't afford the other tiers of service and can't get arial reception

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wagnerrp:

the only reason they want to change the law about unencrypted locals is specifically because they can't be bothered to run out a truck to clip the line for something so menial as basic cable

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pragmaticenigma:

It's actually for the coffee shop contractors. There are bunch of cable contractors that will file a completion of service disconnect even though they never visited the property

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wagnerrp:

then punish your employees and contractors

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wagnerrp:

take them to small claims court and charge them for not actually doing the job you paid them to do

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pragmaticenigma:

my sentimates exactly... I'm not even sure what's the purpose behind ClearQAM... unless it makes it easier to multiplex the signal

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

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wagnerrp:

technically, all QAM is clear

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wagnerrp:

you don't actually encrypt the multiplex itself

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wagnerrp:

you encrypt specific channels within the multiplex

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pragmaticenigma:

I was under the impression ClearQAM was an encryption technique, just the key is openly available... never did much research into it

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wagnerrp:

no, QAM is a radio modulation technique

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pragmaticenigma:

ah okay

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wagnerrp:

QAM is used to transmit a 38.4Mbps data stream

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wagnerrp:

which in turn carries several transport streams

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wagnerrp:

which may or may not be encrypted

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pragmaticenigma:

Is there anyway to "Schedule" the EIT updates? I have one channel setup for it (since it's so new it's not in the listings provider's database yet) but it's constantly doing the EIT scan

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to? EIT is garbage

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wagnerrp:

just turn it off

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wagnerrp:

oh, not in SD yet

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pragmaticenigma:

ya

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wagnerrp:

well there's active scanning and passive scanning

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wagnerrp:

passive scanning only scans when you're already recording the channel

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wagnerrp:

pulling the data out of the recording itself

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wagnerrp:

active... i know it starts polling once the backend is idle for five minutes

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wagnerrp:

but besides that, i really don't know anything about it

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pragmaticenigma:

k

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pragmaticenigma:

wagnerrp: were you the one helping me this morning with the duplicate recordings?

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wagnerrp:

scrollback says that was dekarl

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pragmaticenigma:

okay, I logged out and XChat didn't appear to keep a record of it

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pragmaticenigma:

Is there anything else in the way Schedule my shows to make sure it doesn't keep recording watched episodes

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wagnerrp:

~/.xchat/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#mythtv-users.log

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wagnerrp:

or...

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wagnerrp:

!url logs

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MythLogBot:

logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1

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pragmaticenigma:

good to know

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wagnerrp:

any chance that EIT scan is updating data for all channels?

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wagnerrp:

if you've got conflicting grabbers, things will not match

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pragmaticenigma:

that's what I thought, but all stations have the EIT option disabled

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, what dekarl said about the auto-expirer

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pragmaticenigma:

only have on grabber

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wagnerrp:

if you have it set up to allow re-record on anything expired...

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pragmaticenigma:

Did what dekarl1 recommended and that fixed it up until the download of the next programming data

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pragmaticenigma:

It could be carry over of records I missed

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pragmaticenigma:

from the oldrecord table... I'm hoping just flagging everything in the oldrecord table as duplicate resolves the issue

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pragmaticenigma:

though this system is due for a rebuild. Any idea when the next LTS support version is coming for Ubuntu?

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pragmaticenigma:

I can't find the calendar

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pragmaticenigma:

next spromg

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wagnerrp:

spring?

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pragmaticenigma:

yeah, that... must have got off key from a sneeze... (fighting a cold)

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wagnerrp:

need better filtering for the housekeeping message broadcast...

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pragmaticenigma:

what do you mean?

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wagnerrp:

the broadcast message when the housekeeper runs, to make it synchronize with other housekeepers in other running processes

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wagnerrp:

http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . per.cpp#n660

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wagnerrp:

i forgot to make it actually use the hostname

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wagnerrp:

cppcheck picked up an unused variable

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pragmaticenigma:

sounds like fun

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pragmaticenigma:

time for me to log out for the night... thanks for the chat wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

night

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pinvok3:

Hello, I try to get mythtv running with the Terratec Cingergy TStick RC Rev III, I can scan the tv channels and get a normal list like my tv. But I can't watch them. I always get the error "Geting Frontend signal strength failed eno operation not supported" .. any ideas?

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Spida:

hi

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Spida:

How do I check if a dvb-s2-card works? dmesg pasted at http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4b350ecb/ but I don't get any /dev/dvb*

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wagnerrp:

if you have no /dev/dvb/adapterN nodes, then you need to talk to the linuxtv people

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wagnerrp:

what tuner, specifically?

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Spida:

wagnerrp: its a mystique satix s2 dual v3.

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wagnerrp:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mystique_Sa . . . king_it_Work

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wagnerrp:

external power supply? funky...

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Spida:

its compatible to the v6.2 of this card http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Linux4Media . . . 2_Twin_Tuner

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Spida:

it has an fpga as pcie bridge, either routing two switched pcie lanes to the extension connector to add additional dvb{t,s,c} tuners (dual as well) or something else to add ci-modules to the same connectors

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AndyCap:

Spida: fpga as pci bridge? isn't that very expensive?

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wagnerrp:

apparently my flight tomorrow claims to have wifi

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wagnerrp:

who retrofits wifi onto an ancient DC9?

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: we use FPGAs to drive DB9 ports

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: I'm guessing the DB9 has a proprietary protocol?

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AndyCap:

or did you just make a terribly expensive 8250?

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wagnerrp:

yeah. industrial I/O bus

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wagnerrp:

not sure off hand, but we probably spend a couple grand on the cards

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wagnerrp:

two DB9 plugs, with with a Spartan and a chunk of memory driving it

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wagnerrp:

s/with/each/

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AndyCap:

Handy if the protocol changes

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wagnerrp:

actually, the network configuration is baked into the chip

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wagnerrp:

makes it a pain if you end up adding new devices

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AndyCap:

Oh my

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wagnerrp:

seems i am forbidden from carrying car batteries onto the plane

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wagnerrp:

because i might otherwise find it amusing to haul 50lbs of lead and hydrochloric acid around with me

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: Last time I flew we had GSM but were told to turn off Wifi

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: you can still bring a bit of lithium batteries

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wagnerrp:

oh, and no tear gas

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wagnerrp:

no radiopharmaceuticals

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wagnerrp:

doesn't all that stuff get transported in several hundred pound containment vessels?

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AndyCap:

depends, do they count contrast agents?

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AndyCap:

hm, not contrast agents, but well, radiological emitters for internal use

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wagnerrp:

for PET scans and the like?

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AndyCap:

and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scintigraphy

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EvilGuru:

Does anyone have a breakdown of the hardware used in the HDPVR 2?

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wagnerrp:

devinheitmueller might be able to give you one

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