Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, June 1st, 2013, 00:03 UTC

[00:03:25]

Russ:

ah, -r

[00:04:15]

Russ:

nope, no dice, still too fast

[00:04:28]

Russ:

(using wizard to test different video profiles)

[00:07:21]

Russ:

it does seem to be related to audio, using null for audio fixes the problem (32 second playback vs 20)

[00:09:14]

Russ:

my audio output is intel sandybridge hdmi

[00:11:17]

Russ:

dmesg [ 68.843837] hda-intel 0000:00:1b.0: Unstable LPIB (65532 >= 16384); disabling LPIB delay counting

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Russ:

'Player(0): Video timing method: DRM'

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Russ:

http://hastebin.com/hiropaqajo.coffee

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Russ:

(mythtv -v playback)

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Russ:

er, mythfrontend -v playback

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Russ:

so it should be 'AFD: Selected FPS is 29.97 (avg 29.97 codec 29.97 container 90000 estimated 29.97)'

[00:27:52]

Russ:

but instead, I get 'Player(0): FPS: 43.55 Mean: 22962 Std.Dev: 8142 CPUs: 11% 9% 10% 7% '

[00:28:01]

Russ:

it knows it's playing too fast

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Russ:

and then it claims 'Player(0): Video is 3.16534 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up.'

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Russ:

so does that mean the real problem is the audio is playing too fast?

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wagnerrp:

if you need a hardware encoder, the only ones on the market are the HVR-1600 (PCI) and the HVR-1850 and HVR-2250 (PCIe)

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aarcane:

So I'm looking for a decent, inexpensive tuner card for Mythtv. I was given an upper limit by the spouse of $100, but she'd be FAR happer with under 60, and happiest around 40.. I know that's asking a lot. I'm mainly interested in getting dual digital recordings going, but I think we still have a few Analog channels in the area, and the system is pretty low end, so a hardware MPEG encoder would

[01:15:17]

aarcane:

be a very good idea. The system has available PCI slots and PCIE lanes. I'm in the US and looking to buy from Amazon or NewEgg. What would #MythTV Recommend?

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aarcane:

Was that to me, wagnerrp ?

[01:15:28]

wagnerrp:

or you could get an older (non-digital) PVR-150 or PVR-500 off ebay or something

[01:15:30]

wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

who is you cable provider?

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aarcane:

wagnerrp, We're thinking of going provider-less for OTA broadcasts in Orange COunty, CA. Most everything is Digital here.

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wagnerrp:

for OTA, as you say, everything is digital

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aarcane:

but if we get cable, it'll be Cox.

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wagnerrp:

there is no need for analog, or a hardware encoder

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wagnerrp:

digital is easy

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wagnerrp:

you can easily do around $50/tuner, or better if you shop around

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aarcane:

so I just need a good dual tuner digital card.

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wagnerrp:

try an HVR-2250 (PCIe) or a HDHomeRun (ethernet)

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aarcane:

I was looking on Newegg, but could only find one dual tuner digital card, and it wasn't linux supported :(

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wagnerrp:

there's probably a handful of others around

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wagnerrp:

note that you're not limited to one tuner

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wagnerrp:

you can stuff as many tuners as you can fit into your backend

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wagnerrp:

and then you can add another slave backend to add more tuners to

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wagnerrp:

rather, you're not limited to one tuner card

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wagnerrp:

so if you don't find a dual tuner you like, two separate tuner cards would work just as well

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aarcane:

I think I only have one or two available PCI(E) slots on any given system. At that point I'd have to diversify with the hardware.

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wagnerrp:

the other option is something like the HDHomeRun, which connects over the network, and thus takes no slots

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wagnerrp:

just don't use more than one unless you have a gigabit network

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aarcane:

Pure gigabit to every room, and dual gigabit to the main media server.

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wagnerrp:

properly bonded?

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wagnerrp:

or is it operating as your gateway?

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wagnerrp:

no real matter

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aarcane:

Both, actually. LACP link agregation, andit's got about 5 VLANs trunked down the LACP link for the LAN, WAN, and a Gaming subnet.

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wagnerrp:

ATSC is only ~19Mbps per channel, and it's two channels (two tuners) per box, so 35–40Mbps out of one HDHR unit

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wagnerrp:

i just recommend gigabit if you're using more than one as it's UDP

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wagnerrp:

and once you get anywhere close to saturating a link with UDP, you start dropping data

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wagnerrp:

100mbps is an issue, 1gbps is not

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aarcane:

so I have a forwarded question from my wife about the HD Homerun, (in fact looking at this link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815345007 ) and I'm reading it slowly, but if you know the exact answer off the top of your head...

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wagnerrp:

just curious about the bonding, as proper bonding requires support on the switch, and most switches (including many "smart" switches) can't do it

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aarcane:

does it do the recording of the video itself, or just the tuning and streaming? and does it require an external antenna?

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wagnerrp:

without switch support, there are games you can play with ARP packets, but those are always flaky

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wagnerrp:

the HDHR is just a tuner, like any other tuner, network attached

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aarcane:

I have a 24 port Netgear Smart Switch. I created an Link Agregation Group on the switch and set it to LACP.

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wagnerrp:

instead of streaming the data over the PCI or PCIe bus, it streams it over UDP and the network

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wagnerrp:

did netgear actually fix their garbage?

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wagnerrp:

i tried that once on a 748 or some such, never got it to work

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wagnerrp:

finally read the documentation and it claimed trunking was only supported between other netgear smart switches

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aarcane:

it works fine. I can saturate two gigabit clients, at least past a single gigabit. Then the disks become the bottleneck.

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wagnerrp:

we got it working-ish using one of the non-LACP hacks in the linux networking code

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wagnerrp:

could run 3.5Gbps across four links to sixteen compute nodes

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wagnerrp:

but any time we actually tried to use NFS, the thing would panic

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aarcane:

ouch.

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aarcane:

Ooh, fancy. Does the HD Homerun Prime really allow you to watch and record Encrypted cable channels with Mythtv?

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tgm4883:

aarcane, yes

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** aarcane droooools **

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wagnerrp:

depending on your cable provider and operating system

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aarcane:

it's waaay out of my Price Range, but maybe eventually.

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aarcane:

wagnerrp, Cox, if any. Linux.

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wagnerrp:

windows vista/7 and windows media center is the only software actually licensed to use their DRM

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wagnerrp:

everyone else can only use it as conditional access

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wagnerrp:

which means we can access encrypted channels just fine, but only content not marked for copy protection

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wagnerrp:

making it up to the specific cable provider whether or not a cablecard tuner like the Prime is actually useful for mythtv

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wagnerrp:

Comcast and Verizon users get nearly everything but the premiums (HBO, Showtime, etc...)

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wagnerrp:

Time Warner users get basically nothing

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wagnerrp:

Cox... don't know

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wagnerrp:

http://www.ronfrazier.net/mythtv/cci/index.php

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wagnerrp:

there's reports on that site for users in San Diego and Las Vegas

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wagnerrp:

so relatively close to you

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wagnerrp:

don't know about Irvine

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aarcane:

I'm in Cypress, but Irvine is close enough.

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** wagnerrp wonders off to find a bigger alan wrench **

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aarcane:

Wanders*

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** wagnerrp wonders if he actually has the correct size alan wrench **

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** aarcane would let wagnerrp use his set of socketed alan wrenches, if he could. **

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** tgm4883 notes that it's actually an allen wrench **

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wagnerrp:

on second thought, those things are really torqued in there

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wagnerrp:

i don't think i was ever supposed to touch those

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** aarcane reaches for the Impact driver. **

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tgm4883:

torx*

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aarcane:

It's a shame nobody's figured out how to capture the IPv6 IPTV streams sent by ATT Uverse yet.

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aarcane:

I would relish to record them on some real, reliable hardware. The video quality is passable from across the room, but the stupid viewer box keeps crashing, and the DVR gets confused about once a month and won't stream anything to be viewed :(

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tgm4883:

aarcane, I'd imagine, encrypted

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wagnerrp:

they send IPv6 traffic?

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wagnerrp:

do they actually offer IPv6 service?

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wagnerrp:

or does only their TV service receive that honor

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aarcane:

wagnerrp, there's a plan to deploy IPv6, but only the IPtV is currently multicast streamed over ipv6.

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wagnerrp:

i knew it was multicast (since doing otherwise would be stupid and foolish), but i hadn't heard it was ipv6

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wagnerrp:

so this new desk chair came with an "allen" wrench and a single screw

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wagnerrp:

which makes no sense, since everything appears to be phillips

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wagnerrp:

i hate phillips

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wagnerrp:

oh, and apparently it's only known to be flammable in the state of california, so over here, I can smoke in it all I want

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

I believe I'm a bit underweight for this chair

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wagnerrp:

awfully tough to lean back

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aarcane:

Anybody using the HD Homerun ? I just wanted to ask how you like it, and what complaints you had, if any.

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wagnerrp:

i use one, no major complaints off hand

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wagnerrp:

i have an older model with two separate antenna inputs and no internal splitter

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wagnerrp:

apparently the newer ones have more sensitive antennas, so better reception

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aarcane:

Hmm, nice. I was thinking about buying one, as we discussed earlier.

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aarcane:

Do you have the $80 one, or the $300 one with the DLNA streaming and web interface?

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wagnerrp:

neither

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wagnerrp:

i have one comparable to the $80 one, but is no longer produced

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wagnerrp:

http://homeservershow.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/image8.png

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aarcane:

Oh, nice

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sheppard:

cute

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dekarl:

skidaddle: russ: that wandboard quad actually sounds like it might work. you will be limited with some h.264 stuff that can't be split to multiple cores (I don't see mention of any video decoding on the gpu). But once the board and support for it in ubuntu ships it should be really simple to setup a dev environment to get started with mythtv on arm

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aramus:

Hi there I am following the insturctions on the myth.26 howto to install on debian and I am running into problems when using the build-dep command about the package libx264-dev

[18:01:23]

dekarl:

aramus: can you pastebin the last lines of the output?

[18:02:23]

aramus:

http://pastebin.com/dmHMsr25

[18:04:35]

dekarl:

have you tried "apt-get -f install"

[18:06:03]

aramus:

yes

[18:06:06]

aramus:

I just did

[18:06:38]

aramus:

nothing happened just says 0 upgrade 0 newly install etc

[18:14:56]

dekarl:

google says it could be an incosistent state in the upstream repos

[18:14:58]

tgm4883:

aramus, well the issue is that system can't install libx264–133 version 3:0.133.2334+gita3ac64b-dmo1

[18:15:50]

aramus:

should I get it from deb-multimedia.org?

[18:15:59]

tgm4883:

so either a repo issue, or a packaging issue

[18:17:36]

tgm4883:

you could if it has that specific version

[18:19:33]

aramus:

they have it but it says unstable/sid

[18:19:36]

aramus:

should i still get it?

[18:19:58]

** tgm4883 shrugs **

[18:20:03]

tgm4883:

I use ubuntu

[18:20:14]

aramus:

il give it a shot i guess

[18:22:35]

aramus:

says that depends libc6 but i have libc6

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wagnerrp:

aramus: note that you only need libx264 if you want to use the HLS server to stream to mobile devices

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wagnerrp:

ugh

[20:22:03]

wagnerrp:

we have all these warnings at the top of tuner pages on the wiki claiming the content on the page should be moved to the linuxtv wiki

[20:22:24]

wagnerrp:

someone just created a new tuner page, complete with said warning

[20:23:31]

Steve-Goodey:

Trying to be helpful I suppose.

[20:23:41]

wagnerrp:

but they can't read?

[20:24:39]

Steve-Goodey:

Maybe he missed it, or hoping someone else will sort it.

[20:27:31]

wagnerrp:

they just created a new account on the wiki to take care of it

[20:27:47]

wagnerrp:

they could just as well created an account on the linuxtv wiki to take care of it properly

[20:27:56]

dekarl:

tgm4883: do you know of a mythexpress package for ubuntu?

[20:28:45]

wagnerrp:

dekarl: i don't know if this got answered earlier. there's no mechanism in linuxtv for the grabber to recommend a next-run, is there?

[20:29:39]

dekarl:

wagnerrp: I've not seen anything in the capabilities. Likely because the "made for grabbers sites" have been in the minority when the spec had its last overhaul

[20:34:17]

dekarl:

btw, the specs of the Wandboard Quad sound like it might actually be able to run an unmodifed mythfrontend, and be a starting point for adding OpenMAX, or whatever video decoder API it has, support then slim down the frontend.

[20:35:07]

wagnerrp:

even the Solo could run a mythfrontend unmodified, but 512MB would be a bit tight

[20:35:14]

Shadow__X:

dekarl: really? what sets it appart from the other ones?

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wagnerrp:

quad-core A9, 2GB of memory

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wagnerrp:

you could potentially get some decent H264 playback in software on that

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Shadow__X:

oh ok i gotcha. Can you get mpeg2 playback on it like you can with the raspberry pi?

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dekarl:

Shadow__X: 2Gigs of memory and a faster CPU

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wagnerrp:

in software, sure

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wagnerrp:

of course that's not "like the raspberry pi"

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Shadow__X:

right as the rpi has a hardware decoder

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wagnerrp:

and even on that chip, you're likely only going to be able to handle standard definition MPEG2

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: on which the wandboard quad or rpi?

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wagnerrp:

H264 is a special case as slicing lets you use all four cores

[20:37:21]

wagnerrp:

with MPEG2, you're limited to one

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dekarl:

the one thing thats not going to run single slice h.264 in fullhd in software (or whatever it was thats hard to split over multiple cpus)

[20:38:04]

wagnerrp:

you _can_ run single-sliced H264 and MPEG2 on multiple cores

[20:38:13]

Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: the rpi supports mpeg2 HD using the hardware decoder. It just doesnt let you skip around

[20:38:44]

wagnerrp:

the ffmpeg-mt stuff works by decoding subsequent P and B frames slightly delayed from the I frames they reference

[20:39:07]

dekarl:

Ahh, maybe I'm misremembering then

[20:39:10]

wagnerrp:

but i'm not sure if we've actually enabled that stuff yet

[20:39:24]

wagnerrp:

slicing is easy, you have completely independent domains that you just stuff on another core

[20:39:52]

wagnerrp:

but with the -mt stuff, you make the partial frame buffer available to the other cores while you're still decoding it

[20:40:03]

dekarl:

so if someone wants to get started with ARM support its heaps easier to get something running then on e.g. the RPi

[20:40:32]

wagnerrp:

it's some fancy shared memory work that means you can decode frames partially in parallel, rather than having to wait for them to be fully decoded before moving onto the next sequentially

[20:43:33]

wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: anyway, what dekarl means is that even if there's not enough power to do decoding, it will painlessly run the rest of the UI

[20:43:44]

wagnerrp:

so all that's left is to set up the OpenMAX decoder

[20:44:22]

wagnerrp:

you don't have to worry about digging through every aspect of the frontend to cut memory consumption first so it will fit on a machine with under 200MB available to the OS

[20:44:56]

Shadow__X:

oh ok thanks

[20:45:06]

clever:

wouldnt changing the screen resolution also massively cut down on memory usage by the theme?

[20:45:20]

wagnerrp:

probably

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wagnerrp:

but what use is a crappy little frontend that can only output to standard definition?

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clever:

just as a start, you could make a custom theme that uses less ram later on

[20:46:13]

clever:

does it store the images in ram as raw bitmaps, or compressed?

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XDS2010:

anyone around read chinese ?

[20:47:11]

wagnerrp:

i'm guessing bitmaps

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neufeld:

XDS2010: I can read Chinese

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wagnerrp:

but can you translate?

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XDS2010:

neufeld: http://cl.ly/image/0w13010C380H , whats the top image in pink say ?

[20:48:00]

clever:

id guess just having a smaller variety of theme images would reduce ram, or maybe small 1x1 pixel ones that just get scalled up

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clever:

would clearly need testing, but you can put it off by just using 640x480 at first

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XDS2010:

that was run through googles image ocr but didn't come up with any text

[20:48:46]

wagnerrp:

picnic table, man beating rug, downward sword, bunny, man with torch

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XDS2010:

wagnerrp: was that directed at me ?

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wagnerrp:

:)

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XDS2010:

?

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neufeld:

XDS2010: checking...

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XDS2010:

its an error i believe

[20:51:21]

XDS2010:

http://imagebin.org/259849 , this might be clearer

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tgm4883:

dekarl, never heard of it

[20:53:39]

neufeld:

It's two words. The second is cuo4wu4, which means wrong/mistaken/incorrect. Still checking the first word.

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XDS2010:

neufeld: i think it translates to unknown error

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XDS2010:

but cant be sure

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neufeld:

correct.

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neufeld:

I was stuck on the first character for a bit, but it's "not known"

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XDS2010:

yep just confirmed it

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XDS2010:

ok thanks a lot!

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neufeld:

mo4zhi1 cuo4wu4

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XDS2010:

stupid moborobo for linux has so many bugs

[20:56:27]

XDS2010:

time to fire up wine :)

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