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Thursday, May 23rd, 2013, 00:14 UTC

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wangel_:

Is this normal

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wangel_:

2700 mythtv 20 0 2891m 159m 8664 S 27 2.0 62:44.68 mythbackend

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wangel_:

it's using 27% cou

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wangel_:

cpu

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wangel_:

and the only thing it's doing is it has 2 frontends watching tv

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wangel_:

livetv

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wagnerrp:

depends. what kind of tuners?

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wangel_:

hdhomerun

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wangel_:

I have a dedicated dvb card, but it's used only for recordings. The hdhomerun is used for livetv

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wangel_:

and the occasional recording if there's a conflict, but there never is

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend should be nearly idle

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wagnerrp:

is it possible it's running the scheduler?

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wangel_:

how do I check?

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wangel_:

Encoder 5 [ HDHOMERUN : 192.168.1.150–0 ] is local on mythbackend and is watching Live TV 'MasterChef' on WDRB-DT. This recording is scheduled to end at 10:00 PM.

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wangel_:

Encoder 7 [ HDHOMERUN : 192.168.1.150–1 ] is local on mythbackend and is watching Live TV 'MasterChef' on WDRB-DT. This recording is scheduled to end at 10:00 PM.

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wagnerrp:

if it's still running 15 minutes later, you've got serious problems

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wangel_:

that worries me

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wagnerrp:

it should take no more than a few tens of seconds

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tonsofpcs:

oh, you probably have the issue where it keeps poking the hdhomerun

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wagnerrp:

you could check the logs

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wangel_:

tons; I thought about that --- but the EIT thing is not on

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tonsofpcs:

wangel_: I don't think it's related to EIT data

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wagnerrp:

tonsofpcs: did that one ever make it into a release version?

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tonsofpcs:

mine does it but it never had an issue.

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wangel_:

I can tell you, I can stop/restart the service and things will be ok

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wangel_:

for a little while

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tonsofpcs:

wagnerrp: I had it with mythbuntu's included build. Not sure if I have it with my current patched build

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tonsofpcs:

(it never caused an issue for me but the quad core cpu probably helps that)

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wagnerrp:

i haven't seen it in a couple years

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wangel_:

Also, this was a standard ubuntu install, and I used apt-get to install mythbackend-server

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wangel_:

tons; this is a quad-core cpu

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wagnerrp:

so you're maxing out one CPU on something

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wangel_:

it's a backend only

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wagnerrp:

sounds like an idle loop

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wangel_:

amd X4 640

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wagnerrp:

like the HDHR thing tonsofpcs is talking about

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wangel_:

yah, it's at 27% cpu now and 2.1% memory

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wangel_:

hmm

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wangel_:

I wonder if this is it

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wangel_:

May 22 21:03:34 mythbackend mythlogserver: mythbackend[2700]: E DeleteThread mainserver.cpp:2013 (DoDeleteThread) Error deleting file: /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1321_20121211023000.mpg. Keeping metadata in database.

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wangel_:

and it keeps trying?

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wagnerrp:

it will continue to try each time the autoexpire thread runs

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wagnerrp:

which is usually ever 15 minutes

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wangel_:

ko

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wangel_:

ok

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wangel_:

well I fixed the file permissions

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wangel_:

so that should fix that

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wangel_:

but what in gods name is causing it to eat my cpu =(

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wagnerrp:

i think tonsofpcs is correct. it's some idle loop in the hdhr library

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wagnerrp:

specifically what version are you running?

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wangel_:

can I do mythbackend --version w/o it breaking live tv?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wangel_:

MythTV Version : v0.26.0-165-g7150d64

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wangel_:

MythTV Branch : fixes/0.26

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wagnerrp:

that issue should be long since fixed

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wangel_:

hmm

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wangel_:

up to 30% now

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wangel_:

it's gunna self destruct, lol

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wangel_:

yah, I dunno what to do =(

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wangel_:

if I look at iotop

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wangel_:

I see 4 mythbackends running?

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wangel_:

2 are obviously writing data to the disk, cuz they are doing live tv

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wangel_:

should I open a bug ticket? I mean ... I don't really have enough details I dont' guess

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wagnerrp:

four? you should only see one process

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wagnerrp:

you will have that one process writing out to two files, and separately reading back in those two files

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wangel_:

yes, iotop shows 4 processes

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wagnerrp:

i think it's showing you four different threads under one process

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wangel_:

oh maybe that's it

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wangel_:

sorry I'm using the wrong term, heh

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wangel_:

ok, I've stopped both frontends

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wangel_:

and now it's using 0% cpu

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wangel_:

so that's good

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wangel_:

well 1%

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wagnerrp:

try watching tv on the ATSC card, rather than the HDHR

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wangel_:

k

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wangel_:

I have another theory I'm testing out also

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wangel_:

ok, 1 frontend, streaming, off the hdhr is at 12%

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wagnerrp:

that's odd.. it should be at 25

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wangel_:

25%?

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wangel_:

now the problem is

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wangel_:

i've stopped and restarted mythbackend, cuz I gotta run setup to allow the atsc card to be used for livetv

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wangel_:

so the problem will be gone

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wangel_:

until a few hours

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wangel_:

is there any settings I could check for while I'm in here?

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wagnerrp:

why would you have to rerun setup?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no separation between livetv and recordings

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wangel_:

because I have the atsc card to set to not be available to livetv

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wagnerrp:

i say 25%, as if it is that busy loop, any use of an HDHR would result in a full core of usage

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wagnerrp:

right, i'm saying mythtv doesn't really allow for that

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wagnerrp:

you define a tuner, and it just goes into a big pool, usable by any recording or livetv session

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wangel_:

no, under Input Connections -> Next, there's "Live TV Order"

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wangel_:

if you set that to 0

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wangel_:

Mythtv will never use that tuner for Live TV

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wagnerrp:

that doesn't sound like intended behavior

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wangel_:

it says it in the docs :D

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wangel_:

it also says it on the tooltip for Live TV order:

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wangel_:

When entering Live TV, the available, local input with the lowest, non-zero value will be used. If no local inputs are available, the available, remote input with the lowest, non-zero value will be used. Setting this value to zero will make the input unavailable to live TV.

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wangel_:

i'm gunna update the firmware on the hdhr also

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wangel_:

maybe that might help too

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wagnerrp:

schultza: what tuner, specifically?

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schultza:

id have to open up the case to find that out... i know its a pinnacle version

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wagnerrp:

800i?

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schultza:

i dont know for sure

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schultza:

how do i get linux to give me more details of it?

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wagnerrp:

lspci will tell you what it is, if it's a device id it has in its database

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schultza:

01:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05)

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schultza:

another has MPEG decoder and audio decoder

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wagnerrp:

try with a couple '-v's

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schultza:

Subsystem: Pinnacle Systems Inc. Device 0051

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schultza:

thats with 3 vs

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schultza:

http://pastebin.com/0cYKw46i

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wagnerrp:

well whatever the card, do you have anything in /dev/dvb/ ?

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schultza:

yes... http://pastebin.com/RHmDHvfm

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wagnerrp:

then just set it up as any other ATSC tuner

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schultza:

im new to mythtv.. how do i do that?

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wagnerrp:

in mythtv-setup, select the "DVB" card type from the drop down

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv should autodetect it

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schultza:

ok

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beadle_:

I've looked through the Services API docs so much I must be blind. Where

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beadle_:

where's the call to delete a recording (chanid, starttime) ?

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schultza:

it's not finding channels.

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schultza:

i have a directv setup and it is not finding the channel

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wangel_:

hmph, back to using 11% cpu

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wangel_:

I wonder

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wagnerrp:

mythtv cannot record off directv, as directv is encrypted in a format nothing can access except the directv boxes

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schultza:

it goes through the directv box then out to tv (ie: box's out to tv) directly to my tv card

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wagnerrp:

except... you have a digital tuner, and that's an analog output

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wagnerrp:

so again, improper format

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schultza:

how do i set it to the proper format? doesnt digital tvs accept analog inputs?

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wagnerrp:

your card probably does have an analog input, but it is almost certainly a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

i don't believe pinnacle made any hardware compressors, and you don't want to record using a framegrabber

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schultza:

well, id rather watch tv on that card right now.. i dont have the money to get an exclusive linux supported card from uk.. never mind the shipping and handling cost of it to here in the states.

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wagnerrp:

who said anything about buying a card from the UK?

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wagnerrp:

a card from the UK wouldn't work over here anyway

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schultza:

reading arctiles, etc... not anyone on irc

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wagnerrp:

anyway, if you want to record analog, you want a hardware encoder

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wagnerrp:

for PCI, you can either pick up an old PVR-150 off ebay, or a new HVR-1600

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wagnerrp:

150s usually go for $15-$20

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schultza:

ah.. well, another card

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wagnerrp:

if you want HD, you're going to need an HDPVR

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wagnerrp:

basically, if you want analog, you want something from Hauppauge

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schultza:

i also have this avermedia hdtv ready atsc hybrid volar max ... wrong format it take it?

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wagnerrp:

it should work fine with an antenna, assuming that is supported in linux

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beadle_:

regarding the Services at port 6544... Where's the call to RemoveRecording?

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beadle_:

or RemoveRecordingFromDB like there is for Video?

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wagnerrp:

this? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVR_Service#RemoveRecorded

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wagnerrp:

huh, it is missing

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beadle_:

yeah doesn't seem to be on the wiki. thanks!

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wagnerrp:

when it doubt, check the WSDL sheets

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wagnerrp:

http://your backend:6544/Dvr/wsdl

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schultza:

i have an old haupague here somewhere.. dont know what usb type it was

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beadle_:

ahhhh.... that I didn't know about either

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schultza:

er... brand.. but it was usb connected

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wagnerrp:

if it's USB, their only MPEG encoders were the PVR-USB2 and HVR-1950

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wagnerrp:

anything else will be a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

beadle_: the WSDL sheets are all linked to from the backend web page

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wagnerrp:

see API -> WSDL links

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beadle_:

wagnerrp: thanks! I guess I didn't find the backend web page as a starting point.... sigh.. my bad.... What can I find about RecordingInfo::Status ?

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beadle_:

well, besides that it's an Int ;)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, looking

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wagnerrp:

there it is... http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . types.h#n212

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wagnerrp:

handling of enums is something that really needs to be cleaned up in the WSDL

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wagnerrp:

at the moment, you just need to dig through the code

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beadle_:

yeah -2 is what I was seeing while recording. that helps a ton man thanks! And I had no idea so much was available at the backend web service. so- uh- thanks yet again! :)

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schultza:

found that other one.. its a wintv hvr 950 from hauppauge

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wagnerrp:

that's fine as a digital tuner, but should not be used for analog

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Vollstrecker_:

Hey guys, I'm getting mails from my htpc saying: Illegal division by zero at /usr/bin/mythtv-status line 1015, <CHILD> line 21.

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Vollstrecker_:

I have no clue about perl, I don't no where to start.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-status isn't one of ours

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Vollstrecker_:

k, where does it come from?

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Vollstrecker_:

Found it, I'll report it to the Author.

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IReboot:

I think I have found an issue with the image Service API and wanted to check if I am right before creating a ticket.

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IReboot:

This does not seem to work e.g.:

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IReboot:

http://192.168.0.102:6544//Content/GetImageFi . . . mp;Width=445

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IReboot:

That is for the "Hatfields & McCoys Season 1_fanart.jpg"

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IReboot:

Which show up in my v0.26 FE

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IReboot:

Can anyone confirm the issue or indicate how I should have escaped the URL?

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sphery:

IReboot: why do you have & ? In HTTP GET query strings, you use & to separate name/value pairs

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sphery:

does this work? http://192.168.0.102:6544//Content/GetImageFi . . . mp;Width=445

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IReboot:

sphery: It came from an XML link for an rss feed. I will try the alternative.

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sphery:

right, the RSS feed gets it in HTML, so it needs to un-HTML-escape it

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sphery:

descape?

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IReboot:

sphery: Unfortunately it also failed. My other image service API URLs have &amp in them and they work.

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IReboot:

sphery: My gut feel is that there is an issue in the Service API and its interpretation of any & that is not related to a field.

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IReboot:

s/field/name/value pairs

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sphery:

we may not be properly decoding the HTTP URL encoding, such that the & between Hatfields & McCoys gets decoded before the URI is split into parameters

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sphery:

if you rename it to use something other than & does it work? also, I remember a commit not too long ago that may have been related (or maybe it was just a python bindings issue that had some decoding issues?)

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sphery:

so make sure you update to current -fixes before submitting a ticket

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IReboot:

sphery: thanks. I have not updated my v0.26+fixes in a while so will definitely try that before submitting a ticket. Broke my MythTV compile environment trying out the Ubuntu Phone dev environment and have not prioritized fixing it.

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nyloc:

hi, anyone an idea why my mythtv-setup goes to a blank white screen if i choose any of the sub menus like general or channel management etc.?

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nyloc:

I'm running ubuntu with this mythtv version: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5694556/

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gpd:

I'm trying to use a browser (chrome / firefox) alongside mythtv on my large TV – is there a way to get all fonts larger on fluxbox?

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gpd:

or should I get rid of fluxbox and go back to gnome (had problems with tearing / performance with gnome in the past)

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gpd:

alternatively I could change the DPI of the screen from 75 upwards

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sphery:

nyloc: not sure why it would do that... usually a problem with the themes or sometimes with the graphics settings (i.e. you told it to use OpenGL and you have a broken OpenGL driver install or something)

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nyloc:

sphery: Yeah I guess it has to to with the intel graphics driver update with the 3.5.0-30-generic kernel

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nyloc:

because I startet x11vnc as my girlfriend is currently watching tv :P, and have no problems with mythtv-setup there

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bill6502:

IReboot: If you write a ticket, I'd suggest using: -v upnp and you'll see a line similar to this in your backend log...

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bill6502:

ServiceHost::ProcessRequest: GetRecordingArtwork : GET /Content/GetRecordingArtwork?Type=Banner&Inetref=

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IReboot:

bill6502: thanks. Will do.

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gpd:

well – still get tearing about 2/3 up the screen with gnome

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bill6502:

IReboot: Just realized I recorded Law & Order, but have never seen the problem. It's because the app I use gets the fanart by Inetref, I suspect you'll see something like: services/content.cpp:140 (GetImageFile) – GetImageFile – Unable to find Law . in your log.

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IReboot:

bill6502: Interesting. I just looked at it seems that that Service API it tied to the recording artwork records. What I am doing this for MythVideo artwork which does not always have corresponding recording artwork records. Nice suggestion I may lean on it as a fall back.

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bill6502:

Just tried replacing the & with %26 and it still fails, but the error message replaces the %26 with &

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IReboot:

hmm

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IReboot:

Sounds like a bug to me

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IReboot:

bill6502: I have a large number if MythVideo recordings long before recording artwork records were included in the DB. Could write a script to change that just busy at the moment.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, you explain how his processor that doesn't support video decode is decoding... :)

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** sphery suspects it has something to do with apples and oranges--or perhaps he's not using the orange he thinks he's using **

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sphery:

gpd: tearing indicates a misconfiguration of your graphics drivers

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sphery:

gpd: you need to specify that the graphics drivers should enable vsync for video--how to do so depends on the drivers you're using

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sphery:

gpd: also, with heavyweight desktop environments like GNOME, the "bling because we can" usually makes it so the graphics driver can't do vsync--so you probably need to disable compositing (Composite extension) or something like that

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sphery:

or, if this is a dedicated MythTV system, use a /much/ lower-resource and /much/ more appropriate configuration with no Desktop Environment and just a Window Manager--something like RatPoison or Fluxbox or ...

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sphery:

i.e. if you're not using it as a desktop computer, don't use a DE

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