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| [00:05:57] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: do you ever have random people "friend" you on steam? |
| [00:39:48] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: people do that, it's steam. I have three invites to groups with 0 members... |
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| [03:35:34] | mad_enz: | hey mythtv users |
| [03:35:41] | mad_enz: | any dev lurking around here tonight? |
| [03:36:22] | wagnerrp: | some |
| [03:36:32] | mad_enz: | that's good enough |
| [03:37:40] | mad_enz: | can anyone tell what it would take to get the trunk mythtranscode --mpeg2 fix back ported to .26? |
| [03:38:24] | wagnerrp: | someone fixed lossless transcode? |
| [03:38:47] | mad_enz: | it is working in trunk |
| [03:39:18] | mad_enz: | i just build .27 pre2 991 (git version) and it works |
| [03:39:43] | ** wagnerrp must try this, as he has about a 20 months of backlogged recordings ** | |
| [03:39:45] | mad_enz: | --showprogress is still broken tho |
| [03:40:22] | mad_enz: | that's the reason i'm trying it...i'm running out of space and need to transcode stuff |
| [03:40:53] | wagnerrp: | well that's only going to get you ~30% |
| [03:40:58] | wagnerrp: | if you need space, buy hard drives |
| [03:42:32] | mad_enz: | a bit more for me...i move the recordings over to my video storage after transcoding |
| [03:43:10] | wagnerrp: | add your video storage as an extra path in your storage group, and just move them now |
| [03:44:09] | mad_enz: | i have not switch over to storage group yet as I am still using an external player |
| [03:45:02] | mad_enz: | and i'd rather not have videos with commercial mocking up my video file |
| [03:45:16] | wagnerrp: | i'm not talking about the video library |
| [03:45:30] | wagnerrp: | i mean add a path on your other storage disks to your recording storage group |
| [03:46:34] | mad_enz: | ok...i don't want recordings on that storage...it's a personal thing |
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| [03:50:46] | mad_enz: | wagnerrp: i've got mythtranscode from trunk running against my recordings so i'll be good for now |
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| [03:51:08] | mad_enz: | however, i would rather not have to run two different versions of myth |
| [03:51:50] | wagnerrp: | well we're planning on going into freeze in around a month and a half |
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| [03:53:48] | wagnerrp: | also note that i'm planning on forcing the conversion to storage groups in the video library in 0.27 |
| [03:54:57] | mad_enz: | that's good news...has the release date for .27 been finalized? |
| [03:55:09] | wagnerrp: | usually a month or so after freeze |
| [03:55:25] | mad_enz: | how will the force to use storage group affect external players? |
| [03:55:50] | wagnerrp: | right now, you can use external players with storage groups |
| [03:56:00] | wagnerrp: | however that external player is called with a myth:// URI |
| [03:56:09] | wagnerrp: | meaning you can really only use 'mythavtest' |
| [03:56:44] | wagnerrp: | i know some have written wrapper scripts which search for the file on the local filesystem based off that URI, and hand the local path to the external player |
| [03:56:54] | wagnerrp: | in the short term, that's going to be the plan for the video library |
| [03:57:04] | wagnerrp: | if the file can be found locally, call the external player with the local path |
| [03:57:13] | wagnerrp: | if not, feed it the URI and hope it knows what to do with it |
| [03:57:47] | wagnerrp: | in the long term, the plan is to write a library that gets preloaded by the dynamic loader, and intercepts the standard file access routines |
| [03:58:14] | wagnerrp: | allowing players that don't know how the ability to stream content from the backend over the network |
| [03:58:26] | mad_enz: | ok...all my files are available locally so I should be fine for external player for now |
| [03:59:12] | mad_enz: | is that method simpler that maintaining the current code the call the external player with the file? |
| [03:59:25] | wagnerrp: | what method? |
| [04:00:47] | mad_enz: | the library u mention to intercept the standard file |
| [04:01:23] | wagnerrp: | not hardly |
| [04:01:42] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, the external player is going to be marginalized |
| [04:02:00] | wagnerrp: | it's going to be turned into a "backup" player, only accessible through the context menu, rather than the default |
| [04:02:16] | wagnerrp: | basically, it's going to be there as a backup in case you run into a file the internal player cannot handle |
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| [04:03:02] | mad_enz: | that's my reason for sticking with an external player...i have a very wide variety of file which I tend to be better supported by the external player |
| [04:03:04] | wagnerrp: | look at that, it worked... |
| [04:03:11] | wagnerrp: | !seen dekarl |
| [04:03:11] | MythLogBot: | dekarl was last seen 18 hours 39 minutes 27 seconds ago |
| [04:03:43] | wagnerrp: | looks like a9b906528ec6074 did it |
| [04:03:57] | mad_enz: | what worked? |
| [04:04:04] | wagnerrp: | lossless transcode |
| [04:04:36] | mad_enz: | yep...that's what i said...only my 5th transcode now |
| [04:04:43] | mad_enz: | on my |
| [04:04:56] | wagnerrp: | #2077 |
| [04:04:56] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2077 ** | |
| [04:05:05] | wagnerrp: | fix committed on monday |
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| [04:08:09] | mad_enz: | it's still not fixed in .26 |
| [04:08:17] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [04:10:33] | mad_enz: | just confirming...just see dekarl update waiting for commit to .26 |
| [04:17:28] | mad_enz: | wagnerrp: another question, i am using myth-wide theme, how can i change the transparency and location progress bar when a recording/video is paused? |
| [04:17:49] | wagnerrp: | you have to change the theme directly |
| [04:17:52] | wagnerrp: | in the XML |
| [04:19:53] | mad_enz: | where is the xml located? |
| [04:20:16] | wagnerrp: | would be in $PREFIX/share/mythtv somewhere |
| [04:20:37] | wagnerrp: | but there's a special location you should store it to in your home directory if you intend to make changes |
| [04:20:44] | wagnerrp: | where that is specifically... i don't know off hand |
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| [04:22:26] | mad_enz: | got a bunch of xml there...not sure if it is config-ui or control-ui or appear-ui |
| [04:24:06] | mad_enz: | i'll c if anything is listed on the wiki |
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| [04:32:02] | mad_enz: | wagnerrp: thanks for you help tonight...i have a bit of info for some tweaking tomorrow |
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| [10:46:11] | scumbum: | Hello |
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| [11:01:32] | dekarl: | mad_enz: from the log I'm not sure if the PPA with the fix works for you, or if you are running a master/0.27 / fixes/0.26 mix'n'match setup. I'm hesitating to commit the fix untested to fixes/0.26 as its using a different version of ffmpeg... |
| [11:02:43] | dekarl: | ppastats and feedback from users have confirmed the ffmpeg rollback twice, the fix to master has only been installed once, yet. |
| [11:04:36] | Vollstrecker: | Hey guys, I got a problem with DVD-playback. When Movie starts I get English commentary instead of german sound. I have 4 audio-tracks selectable (1 german and 3 english), but no matter which one select OSD always pops up say "1 German AC3, 5.1ch" and english comments continue. |
| [11:07:21] | scumbum: | Vollstrecker: just change audio in disk menu |
| [11:08:47] | Vollstrecker: | That's what I mean with "no matter which one I choose". Menu -> Audio -> Audio-Track -> 1–4 and OSD always talks about #1 and nothing changes. |
| [11:08:47] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1 ** | |
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| [11:14:58] | scumbum: | Vollstrecker: does disk have main menu |
| [11:20:24] | scumbum: | Vollstrecker: maybe the audio tracks labeled wrong |
| [11:22:03] | scumbum: | Vollstrecker: is it a ripped disk and if so maybe someone messed up the rip |
| [11:24:57] | Vollstrecker: | scumbum: It's a bought disk, in main menu I can select audio, too, it just doesn't change anything. The most confusing on this is, that I can select any other audio-track, but it always tells me that it uses the first one. |
| [11:28:12] | scumbum: | Vollstrecker: did you install libdvdcss or try dvd in other progrsm like vlc |
| [11:29:13] | scumbum: | Vollstrecker: what linux distro u using |
| [11:29:58] | Vollstrecker: | Others play fine. I now found a solution, selecting track 3 which is labelled english AC3, 2ch brought a change after I selected it 3 times or so. |
| [11:30:07] | Vollstrecker: | Debian testing |
| [11:31:55] | scumbum: | Vollstrecker: try playing it in VLC see if different tracks work |
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| [11:38:44] | Vollstrecker: | They all work, they are just labelled wrong. German is: "StreamID: 3; lang: 65535, code: 65535; iso639: und" The athoers claim to be german and english, but are english commentary (ger) eng (5.1) and eng (2ch), so it worked. Question is just, why did I have to select i 3 times to get it one time changed. |
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| [11:52:52] | dekarl: | Vollstrecker: if you know a tool to fix such issues with DVD images, that might be worth a mention on the wiki page. (imho its best to fix such issues as early as possible in the chain) then the automatic track selection would pick the preferred track |
| [11:53:28] | dekarl: | I always rip the main movie and simply fix the metadata in the resultion mkv |
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| [12:23:25] | Vollstrecker: | Back, as I said, I bought this orinal DVD yesterday. I have no time left for now, but I'll have a look on this next week. |
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| [14:06:35] | scumbum: | Hey |
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| [14:44:48] | tonsofpcs: | dekarl: if you mean what I think you mean by dynamic PMT, it's perfectly acceptable in ATSC and there's probably some that use it to handle audio mapping. |
| [14:45:38] | tonsofpcs: | (when my station first went ATSC, they used to switch between one HD and four SDs a few times per day) |
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| [16:31:33] | dekarl: | tonsofpcs: nice to hear that, but makes me wonder why we're not getting more bug reports for transcode/playback then ;) over here its e.g. the 5.1 track that gets added for the prime time movies. and the splitting in regional variants for local news, then merging back to the main channel |
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| [18:37:10] | tonsofpcs: | dekarl: well, any that do it would do it during the station ID at the top of the hour and probably only a few times per day. I can't point to any that definitely do it regularly but it is possible. |
| [18:37:42] | tonsofpcs: | most stations probably always populate the "5.1 track" as 2/0 and then switch it to 3/2 when 3/2 is available. |
| [18:38:24] | dekarl: | most stations over here have a static track layout, too |
| [18:38:58] | tonsofpcs: | I've changed our PMT probably a few dozen times over a few years, but most of them clumped around programming changes |
| [18:39:02] | dekarl: | for playback it might be enough to simply run the autoselection again if streams come or go |
| [18:39:29] | tonsofpcs: | like for a while our third program stream had no secondary audio available on any program so it was pointless for us to have a secondary audio stream. That changed, so we added it. |
| [18:40:26] | tonsofpcs: | (interestingly, our second channel had that occur as well, but there's a broken tuner that's in a large number of homes that defaults to seocnd audio on the second program regardless of it exists or not so we put something there to avoid complaints) |
| [18:40:48] | dekarl: | so our player automatically switches to a more appreciated stream when one becomes available, if and only if the user did not manually switch the stream. (thinking about the case where the 5.1 stream gets added while the intro of a movie is already running) |
| [18:41:56] | dekarl: | aye, adjusting it every now and then to suit changed needs is safe (and easy for the coders ;) |
| [18:44:02] | tonsofpcs: | the one thing that I do find as a pita with mythtv though is how it reacts when PSIP goes away. |
| [18:44:16] | tonsofpcs: | "Channel? what channel? Program stream? what program stream?" |
| [18:44:35] | tonsofpcs: | (specifically, the TVCT, I'd bet) |
| [18:47:04] | dekarl: | hmm, you suggest that, for normal tuning outside a channel scan, PAT/PMT should be enough? |
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| [18:47:54] | tonsofpcs: | I'm suggesting that in markets below the top 20, when PSIP goes away, no one bothers to fix it for three or so days... ;) |
| [18:49:19] | tonsofpcs: | as for tuning, I'd say try TVCT first and if TVCT isn't found, 'remember' where it was last time. |
| [18:49:19] | tonsofpcs: | (alternatively, have an 'always scan' or a 'remember location' type option... but phrased for people that aren't way too intimately familiar with table structures ;) |
| [18:50:18] | tonsofpcs: | (TVCT/CVCT/VCT/etc. for the appropriate system) |
| [18:51:06] | dekarl: | ahh TVCT is ATSC PSIP. I think we have similar stuff in the SDT. But the basic PAT/PMT should be enough when we know the transport and the program_number |
| [18:53:14] | dekarl: | but I see your point (and helps to understand why other tools store the PES PIDs in their channel configuration) |
| [18:58:10] | tonsofpcs: | :) |
| [18:58:51] | tonsofpcs: | TVCT is the "Television Virtual Channel Table" aka "minorchannel 1 means Program 7's PCR with 0x70 video, 0x73 audio1, 0x75 audio2" |
| [18:59:04] | tonsofpcs: | CVCT is the same exact thing but for cable |
| [18:59:46] | tonsofpcs: | also, just found an interesting site: http://www.etherguidesystems.com/help/sdos/AT . . . ns/TVCT.aspx |
| [18:59:55] | tonsofpcs: | I don't stare at DVB-T all day so I have no clue where it would be there. |
| [19:00:10] | tonsofpcs: | maybe the PMT? |
| [19:00:50] | tonsofpcs: | or a PMT/SDT/EIT combination? |
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| [19:45:46] | Shadow__X: | dekarl: ok. I am currently using the mythbuntu-repo how should I go about testing the PPA? Should I temporarily disable the mythbuntu repo and add in the ppa then update? |
| [19:45:59] | Shadow__X: | dekarl: also thanks |
| [19:49:21] | Shadow__X: | dekarl: that was referring to ac3 audio transcoding in ticket 2077 |
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| [20:06:28] | jarle: | I have some recordings that has several different audio languages available. I thought that mythtv should select the correct language by default, but it doesn't seem to work. Anybody has experience with this? |
| [20:08:54] | jarle: | hmmm I just noticed that it selects the correct language on one frontend, but not the other... |
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| [20:15:25] | jarle: | And both frontends have the same language settings in Setup->Appearance->Localization. Any other settings that might affect this behaviour?? |
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| [20:19:39] | tonsofpcs: | #2077 |
| [20:19:39] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2077 ** | |
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| [20:26:16] | dekarl: | Shadow__X: yes, disable the mythbuntu ppa and enable the ac3 ppa. If you have'nt updated since ~monday you just need to update to switch. (to switch back simply disable the ac3 ppa and reenable the mythbuntu ppa, then update) |
| [20:27:42] | Shadow__X: | this is my version http://pastebin.com/VQsQwkUp i updated on the 25th of april |
| [20:27:47] | jarle: | I seem to have run into the same problem described here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/493096 regarding my audio track problem. |
| [20:27:48] | Shadow__X: | so thursday |
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| [20:31:06] | jarle: | both frontends have identical mythtv-settings, the system where it selects the correct language has English as the SYSTEM language, the frontend where it does not work has Norwegain as the system language... strange.. |
| [20:31:34] | Shadow__X: | dekarl: ^ Seems like i updated thursday 4/25 |
| [20:33:08] | dekarl: | Shadow__X: I'm not finding the reference I'm looking for, only guides like http://www.howtogeek.com/117929/how-to-downgr . . . s-on-ubuntu/ |
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| [20:41:45] | dekarl: | Shadow__X: IIRC there is a command for "now that I switched PPAs on and off, update to whatever is newest now, even if its version is lower then what is installed" |
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| [20:42:29] | Shadow__X: | dekarl: oh ok just have to find it. |
| [20:43:06] | Shadow__X: | tgm4883: are you aware of a command that would allow me to update using a different ppa even if the update is older than on the previous ppa |
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| [21:07:44] | Shadow__X: | dekarl: I added your repo and it gives me the package to update. Updating now |
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| [21:13:51] | Shadow__X: | dekarl: so far so good. It has started to transcode without erroring out |
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| [21:16:11] | dekarl: | Shadow__X: sounds good. if it work across 2–3 channels I can push the fix next week. |
| [21:17:37] | Shadow__X: | dekarl: I will check out more recordings. Thank you |
| [21:18:47] | dekarl: | Shadow__X: y/w on the PPA and thank you for testing ;) |
| [21:19:27] | Shadow__X: | dekarl: any time. I am glad to test things out, especially when they do not break other things |
| [21:19:52] | dekarl: | that's what I'd like to find out :D |
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| [21:22:27] | Shadow__X: | well so far one recording has worked no problem |
| [21:23:08] | Shadow__X: | is there anything i should specifically test for to verify nothing has broken? |
| [21:24:14] | dekarl: | if you have recordings with other audio codecs. As we now look in a different place for the audio frame size. |
| [21:27:17] | skd5aner: | Hmmm, one of my custom rules (for IndyCar races) doesn't appear to be working anymore... It has a statement of "AND program.subtitle NOT LIKE '%Qualifying%'", but it's started to record qualifying races this season |
| [21:27:21] | dekarl: | nothing else should have been touched. (that's part of the reason why I prefer to newer fix instead of rolling back stuff in ffmpeg) |
| [21:27:50] | skd5aner: | Even though the subtitle is something like: "Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach, Qualifying" |
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| [21:30:37] | skd5aner: | ahh, hada second rule coming in to play |
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| [21:38:42] | dekarl: | jarle, you can find the autoselection here http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . 2F0.26#n3901 maybe it contains a refernece to a difference between both of your frontends |
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| [21:39:43] | dekarl: | e.g. DTS passthrough |
| [21:40:55] | Shadow__X: | dekarl: oh ok i gotcha. I think most of my stuff is ac3 though. How can I quickly check |
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| [21:47:31] | dekarl: | Shadow__X: hmm, maybe look with mediainfo / mythffmpeg -i on one recording per channel? |
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| [21:49:06] | davidshay: | In this case, I get the problem only when the master backend host is also running a slave backend. (The slave backend is running on a separate IP address than the master.) |
| [21:49:42] | davidshay: | If I don't run the separate slave backend on the same host as the master, I don't get the problem. |
| [21:49:59] | davidshay: | There is a log on the master backend here: |
| [21:50:00] | davidshay: | http://pastebin.com/Nj3Ui26f |
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| [22:04:57] | Shadow__X: | dekarl: I am looking and have not found a recording with something other than ac3 |
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| [22:40:46] | madmix: | Hello |
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| [22:45:24] | tgm4883: | Shadow__X, is the package version different? |
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| [22:50:46] | madmix: | Mythtv da boom |
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| [23:05:00] | tonsofpcs: | so apprently the issues I was having earlier were hardware related... |
| [23:05:06] | tonsofpcs: | X crashed, everything was running slow, processes weren't launching, so I took it down. Pressing power, the CPU fan does a full turn (maybe two), power light blinks, then it goes back to the 'off' state... |
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| [23:10:36] | wagnerrp: | i've had that happen before. meant the BIOS was hosed |
| [23:10:58] | wagnerrp: | first time, the BIOS was too old to support the CPU (H67 board and Ivy Bridge CPU) |
| [23:11:12] | wagnerrp: | second time, the BIOS chip was inserted backwards, and so could not load properly |
| [23:12:55] | [R]: | that's what she said? |
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| [23:21:25] | Shadow__X: | tgm4883: yes it was older |
| [23:22:31] | tgm4883: | Shadow__X, you can specify the exact version you want to upgrade/downgrade to. 'apt-get install <packagename>=<packageversion>' |
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| [23:31:35] | Shadow__X: | ah ok neat I did not know that. Luckily In my case it worked anyway |
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