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| [02:14:29] | aussieW: | Hi, does anyone know if the ODROID-U2 (http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/produc . . . 35341370451) can be used as a myth frontend? I am looking for an excuse to buy one :) |
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| [02:43:14] | repjack: | Hi, I'm new here (and to mythtv) – is anyone around I can pick your brain on a mythfilldatabase problem I can't figure out? |
| [02:45:49] | repjack: | The grab requests data from schedules direct in a range, like so: 'From 2013-04–17T00:00:00Z to 2013-04–18T00:00:00Z (UTC)' |
| [02:46:12] | repjack: | the message later says, though: 'Grab complete. Actual data from 2013-04–12T23:59:00Z to 2013-04–12T23:59:01Z (UTC)' |
| [02:46:32] | repjack: | that doesn't seem right – actual data has start and end time the same |
| [02:46:42] | repjack: | any advice appreciated |
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| [03:01:50] | sphery: | repjack: you probably have garbage data cached in /tmp/myth* |
| [03:02:00] | sphery: | repjack: what do you get with: ls -ld /tmp/myth* |
| [03:02:13] | repjack: | k, thanks |
| [03:02:27] | sphery: | this usually only happens if you run mythfilldatabase as different users |
| [03:03:05] | sphery: | and, IIRC, it's been fixed in the latest 0.26-fixes so that it won't reuse the same directory, so the problem can't occur, even if you run mythfilldatabase as different users |
| [03:03:05] | repjack: | i have three tmp dirs as a user, and one file as root |
| [03:03:15] | repjack: | will clean this up |
| [03:03:21] | sphery: | can you pastebin the output, please |
| [03:03:28] | sphery: | just so I can verify that's what's going on |
| [03:03:32] | repjack: | hang on |
| [03:03:51] | sphery: | if it is what I think, you can clean it up with: sudo rm -rf /tmp/myth* |
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| [03:04:01] | repjack: | i'm cool with linux |
| [03:04:18] | sphery: | this happens a lot and I just want to see exactly what it looks like, so I know if we've fixed the right issue |
| [03:04:30] | repjack: | pastebin – you mean just copy and past here? |
| [03:04:39] | sphery: | to http://www.pastebin.com/ |
| [03:04:44] | repjack: | k, hang on |
| [03:04:51] | sphery: | then just post a link here, please |
| [03:05:32] | sphery: | and thanks for taking the extra time to show me... it really does help to see what exactly is happening when these failures occur |
| [03:06:09] | repjack: | http://pastebin.com/fT95hACK |
| [03:06:23] | sphery: | yeah, that's exactly what's happening |
| [03:06:45] | sphery: | that one owned by root can't be removed and replaced by mythtv user, so you're operating on old cached data |
| [03:06:51] | repjack: | thanks, when is started setting it up, didn't keep disciplined about what user i was running stuff as |
| [03:07:02] | repjack: | *when i* |
| [03:07:04] | sphery: | right, that's usually how it happens |
| [03:07:25] | sphery: | glad this was an easy one--and glad you stuck around even though it took me a while to swing by this window and notice your question :) |
| [03:07:46] | repjack: | i'll blow it away and try again – i had EIT on at first, and was getting really messed up on this |
| [03:07:48] | Gumby: | hi all. I've just finished compiling mythtv on debian wheezy, I am able to record a dvb channel and play it back using mplayer however I am not able to view livetv and I am not able to play the recording using mythtv. I've tried multiple preconfigured playback profiles to no avail. Can anyone suggest what may be the issue. In the logs I see a lot of "AFD: Unknown decoding error" |
| [03:08:11] | sphery: | yeah, make sure you have only one of EIT or Schedules Direct on each channel |
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| [03:08:49] | sphery: | and I totally understand the running as root--sometimes when starting with a new application, it's hard to know what requires permissions and what doesn't, so sometimes we err on the side of too much permissions |
| [03:09:55] | sphery: | Gumby: try recording (outside of mythtv) and then throwing the captured file into your Video Library (formerly MythVideo) |
| [03:09:59] | repjack: | sphery, that solved it |
| [03:10:03] | sphery: | that will separate playback issues from recording issues |
| [03:10:12] | repjack: | thanks very much! |
| [03:10:15] | Gumby: | sphery: ok will do |
| [03:10:22] | sphery: | if the captured video plays back without problem, your issue is Input Connections configuration |
| [03:10:48] | sphery: | repjack: you're welcome, and enjoy |
| [03:11:09] | sphery: | and, again, thanks for showing me the directories you had |
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| [03:12:03] | sphery: | Gumby: actually, if the captured video plays back without problem, your issue is Input Connections configuration or system- or driver- or hardware-level capture card issues |
| [03:12:26] | sphery: | (but most likely Input Connections configuration since you can capture outside of MythTV) |
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| [03:13:18] | Gumby: | sphery: ah, I was maybe unclear. I am able to record the video in mythtv, just not play livetv or play it back via the recordings page |
| [03:14:14] | Gumby: | so the tuner is definitely working |
| [03:14:32] | Gumby: | I'm recording a show right now and watching it in mplayer at the same time :) |
| [03:19:40] | Gumby: | a pastebin from the time I start mythfrontend to the time the video is played (and errors shown) is here http://pastebin.com/ERuL4AR3 |
| [03:24:11] | sphery: | Gumby: ah, I see... |
| [03:25:37] | sphery: | Gumby: are you sure it's actually recording a valid file for live tv? |
| [03:25:42] | sphery: | check backend logs |
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| [03:25:51] | sphery: | at the same time when you had frontend trying to watch it |
| [03:26:07] | sphery: | oh, wait, you tried playing the recording, too... |
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| [03:26:36] | Gumby: | yes, I actually tried a different recording than the one I was watching |
| [03:26:38] | sphery: | so, last thing I'll recommend--since you're on unstable--is try running mythcommflag --rebuild against the recording and then try playing it |
| [03:26:41] | Gumby: | via mplaye |
| [03:26:42] | Gumby: | r |
| [03:26:53] | sphery: | if that doesn't help, I don't know what's happening |
| [03:27:07] | sphery: | but there are rumors that the during-recording seek tables are borked in unstable |
| [03:27:17] | sphery: | but can be fixed with mythcommflag --rebuild |
| [03:27:45] | Gumby: | I see, I'll give it a whirl in a sec. just viewing output of mythfrontend -v playback |
| [03:29:47] | Gumby: | nope, same result |
| [03:31:09] | Gumby: | is this normal... AFD: Successfully opened decoder for file: "/data/recordings/2400_20130411015500.mpg". novideo(0) |
| [03:36:33] | Gumby: | hrm |
| [03:36:35] | ** Gumby shrugs ** | |
| [03:36:45] | Gumby: | maybe this will be a backend only :) |
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| [03:58:16] | sphery: | weird |
| [04:01:10] | wagnerrp: | it takes so long to get a freshly installed system back up to speed... |
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| [04:06:56] | Gumby: | especially when recordings or livetv wont play ;) |
| [04:07:27] | wagnerrp: | i mean a desktop |
| [04:07:44] | Gumby: | oh, that too ;) |
| [04:07:50] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is easy, just grab the database and go |
| [04:08:03] | wagnerrp: | windows... it would be a lot easier if i could just get it to connect to my domain... |
| [04:08:17] | wagnerrp: | but no... have to rebuild the user account |
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| [04:43:18] | Gumby: | ah, oops. I'm running 0.27. geeze, how'd I miss that. |
| [04:43:36] | Gumby: | sphery:I thought you were saying I was running unstable debian :) not mythtv |
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| [05:58:09] | micky62g: | Hello, is sasg-nc up to date with newest mythtv |
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| [06:02:31] | [R]: | micky62g: sasg is 100% not discussed in here |
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| [08:13:51] | Oleg_: | according to wikipedia, only tv playback is supported on Windows with mythtv |
| [08:14:05] | Oleg_: | that means mythtv isn't even able to act as a dvr on Windows |
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| [08:17:04] | sheppard: | pay more to get less? sweet deal |
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| [10:28:55] | stuartm: | Oleg_: not entirely true, I believe IPTV and network tuners like the HDHomeRun are supported, or at least their aren't any technical reasons why they couldn't be |
| [10:32:49] | stuartm: | but since the most common usage of MythTV involves a dedicated Backend or Backend/Frontend combo, supporting recording on Windows is a very small niche – it would be pointless paying for a license and then not use it as a desktop |
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| [10:34:12] | stuartm: | someone once talked about adding support for the Windows tuner drivers/API, but they have since left the project to pursue other interests |
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| [10:53:57] | stuartm: | Gumby: it could be your chosen playback profile just isn't suitable, which profile is selected? |
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| [10:59:03] | wagnerrp: | stupid windows... |
| [10:59:08] | wagnerrp: | i told it to NOT autoupdate |
| [10:59:16] | wagnerrp: | so it restarts in the middle of the night to autoupdate |
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| [11:03:07] | wagnerrp: | micky62g routed through some VPN provider in florida... yeah, that was real likely to be a legal use of a softcam... |
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| [11:07:26] | stuartm: | windows _still_ pulls that crap? |
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| [11:10:36] | wagnerrp: | and now it goes into standby give minutes after i get up |
| [11:10:43] | wagnerrp: | i explicitly told it not to go into standby |
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| [12:02:59] | a43lwija: | Hi guys. |
| [12:04:45] | a43lwija: | DVB-C, Germany (KabelBW). Channel scanning found the channels. But one transponder seems to be problematic: 4 channels (SAT1 HD, Kabel 1HD, ProSiebenHD, sixx HD) do not have a "freqId" set. All other channels do. Any ideas? Is this a problem? Or can it be ignored safely? |
| [12:05:16] | a43lwija: | I can receive this channels – but have a lot of really bad artifacts within the picture... |
| [12:06:52] | a43lwija: | db dump for those entries within "channels": http://pastebin.com/A5bKVsV4 |
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| [12:33:45] | stuartm: | are those channels FTA (free, no encryption)? |
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| [13:01:59] | dekarl1: | stuartm: the channels should be CI+ (aka DRM) secured |
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| [13:07:16] | stuartm: | really bad artifacts can be a symptom of viewing an undecrypted video |
| [13:07:24] | stuartm: | which is why I asked |
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| [13:56:24] | LTHorn: | Let's try this again, hello all, i have a front end question |
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| [13:56:58] | sphery: | best bet is to ask and if someone knows the answer (and happens to see the question), they'll respond |
| [13:57:15] | sphery: | that said, hello, and welcome |
| [13:57:19] | LTHorn: | I currently am taking advantage of the i5's integrated graphics, but I have yet to be able to find out how to turn off the overscan |
| [13:57:36] | LTHorn: | thank you. it's been quite some time since i have been in this channel |
| [13:57:50] | LTHorn: | I'm thinking about getting a discrete nvidia card |
| [13:58:05] | LTHorn: | i use mythbuntu and .26 |
| [13:58:34] | LTHorn: | I suppose the question is to discrete or not to discrete |
| [13:59:05] | sphery: | IMHO, the answer is nvidia + vdpau >>> intel |
| [13:59:13] | sphery: | (and even >>> intel + va-api) |
| [13:59:19] | RagingMind: | the only reason I'm thinking my next mythfrontend will have discrete graphics is because of Steam on linux in big picture mode |
| [13:59:24] | sphery: | so, if nvidia means discrete, then discrete is the way to go |
| [14:00:08] | RagingMind: | if it weren't for steam I'd serious look at the Intel NUCs |
| [14:00:26] | sphery: | and, ttbomk, if you disable the integrated gpu (even in a "on the same chip" design) in an intel or amd, they should do power gating meaning you won't be wasting power to the integrated gpu |
| [14:01:11] | LTHorn: | ok. that was where i was leaning anyway. I was probably going to get a gt520 |
| [14:01:35] | RagingMind: | LTHorn, what about the integrated graphics do you think isn't working like you want and that a discrete gpu would fix? |
| [14:01:40] | sphery: | (and, currently, nvidia + vdpau >>> amd, but depending on what happens with amd + vdpau, it may become a contender in the future--assuming F/LOSS drivers are good enough and provide sufficient support) |
| [14:02:13] | sphery: | LTHorn: also, as RagingMind is probably getting to, usually overscan is on the display device (i.e. TV/monitor) and not the GPU |
| [14:02:30] | LTHorn: | RagingMind, for starters the overscan function can't be turned off on my tv, and while i can tweak the mythtv gui to compensate i cant do anything for the desktop |
| [14:02:55] | LTHorn: | sphery, i don't see amd putting out any good drivers anytime soon |
| [14:03:04] | sphery: | so you can typically disable it on the TV, or if that's not possible, you can work around it by underscanning the output of the GPU (to fix all apps) or using a smaller-than-fullscreen window (to fix just that app, such as with MythTV's Appearance settings) |
| [14:03:28] | sphery: | LTHorn: right, but they've finally released open-source code to support their video decode, and it's using vdpau, so it has potential |
| [14:03:50] | sphery: | (I'm so glad they didn't go with va-api) |
| [14:06:06] | LTHorn: | sphery, the only issue that i have with tweaking programs on an individual basis is that non linux users will be using the front end for other things like netflix-desktop and web browsing and whatever else they need. so I don't want to confuse them when they open a window and can't see the borders |
| [14:06:31] | RagingMind: | LTHorn, I used to hang out in the intel driver irc channel, they seemed pretty nice as long as you'd done your googling. have you tried asking them? |
| [14:06:33] | sphery: | as for underscanning with the gpu, that's typically just a matter of using a custom modeline, but that may require specifically telling the drivers you're smarter than they are (i.e. disabling EDID use or similar) |
| [14:07:02] | sphery: | too many current drivers do what they want and ignore configuration... not sure if intel's allow disabling that, but nvidia's do |
| [14:07:36] | LTHorn: | RagingMind, intel hd graphics are what I am using now, i dont know how hanging out in the intel channel would help... |
| [14:08:22] | RagingMind: | because they would be more familiar with options you could set that might fix your issue? (kernel or xorg or whatever) |
| [14:08:49] | LTHorn: | sphery, the drivers the computer are using allow no configuration on the pc end, but i have a nvidia card on my desktop so i know they do |
| [14:09:31] | RagingMind: | LTHorn, intel drivers have lots of config options, but it's by passing kernel options, using xrandr, or setting things in xorg.conf |
| [14:09:35] | LTHorn: | RagingMind, so the nvida channel includes intel HD graphics people? I suppose that would make sense since intel owns nvidia |
| [14:09:47] | RagingMind: | um... ? |
| [14:10:04] | LTHorn: | i tried getting to xorg.conf but it wasn't in the normal location in mythbuntu and didn't see anything on google |
| [14:10:14] | LTHorn: | i don't think mythbunt uses x in the conventional way |
| [14:10:28] | RagingMind: | most distros use autodetection now so there isn't an xorg file until you create one |
| [14:10:48] | LTHorn: | RagingMind, ah, now that is news to me |
| [14:11:35] | LTHorn: | I can try making one when I get home. I know what resolution I need to set the screen at so the overscan is compensated for |
| [14:13:04] | sphery: | well, you'll have to "encapsulate" that resolution in one the TV expects using a custom modeline |
| [14:13:31] | LTHorn: | sphery, that language is beyond me... |
| [14:13:50] | sphery: | i.e. have it scan the 1920x1080 pixels over 1887x1063 pixels or whatever |
| [14:14:10] | sphery: | otherwise, if you send a signal with pixels going from "edge to edge", the TV will just overscan that |
| [14:15:06] | sphery: | and, likely, your gpu will scale the video, then the tv will scale the video, so your quality will be twice reduced instead of once |
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| [14:15:32] | RagingMind: | LTHorn, adding a modeline to xorg.conf is fairly easy. *figuring out* the right mode line is the weird technical part |
| [14:15:37] | sphery: | and, yeah, custom modelines are really a black art |
| [14:15:45] | sphery: | +1 |
| [14:16:13] | sphery: | I gave up on figuring out how years ago (wasn't worth the hours of trial and error), so now I just search avsforum.com for my tv model and hope someone posted a good one |
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| [14:16:49] | LTHorn: | sphery, I'll try looking there, thanks |
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| [14:17:24] | sphery: | good luck |
| [14:17:26] | RagingMind: | sphery, would an nvidia/amd gpu wind up having to do the same scaling if he decided to go discrete? |
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| [14:20:07] | sphery: | yeah, if your TV is only showing you 1887x1063 pixels or whatever (i.e. some pixels are "under the bezel"), then you can any 2 of the 3: 1) "perfect" 1:1 pixel mapping, 2) full resolution, or 3) no-overscan |
| [14:20:53] | sphery: | similarly, if your TV is showing you 1920x1080 pixels (none under the bezel), but it's upscaling the video so it cuts off the edges (i.e crops and scales), you can have 2 of the same 3 |
| [14:21:03] | sphery: | getting all 3 is impossible in either of those situations |
| [14:21:36] | RagingMind: | so assuming he can get it working with the intel driver, the only current benefit to a discrete gpu is a GUI config? |
| [14:21:56] | sphery: | well, there's that + vdpau :) |
| [14:22:15] | sphery: | i.e. IMHO, right now, nvidia gpu with vdpau support is "the right tool for the job" of mythfrontend |
| [14:22:56] | sphery: | but if you're content using > 20-yr-old Xv for display or with the limitations the hardware/driver put on OpenGL display... |
| [14:23:19] | RagingMind: | the intel gpu in my mythfrontend is too old for vaapi support and though most of my TV is of the SD variety I do get a couple HD channels and they play just fine |
| [14:23:22] | sphery: | (opengl is great--just not great for video, since vendors don't provide great support for it) |
| [14:23:46] | sphery: | right, but you're limited to using either Xv rendering or OpenGL rendering |
| [14:23:56] | sphery: | vdpau rendering is /very/ nice |
| [14:24:03] | sphery: | much better than the others |
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| [14:24:17] | sphery: | it's like it was designed for video presentation |
| [14:24:20] | sphery: | :) |
| [14:24:26] | RagingMind: | might be nice for devs, but as an end user... as long at the video pops out on my screen I'm happy |
| [14:24:32] | sphery: | (Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix) |
| [14:25:33] | sphery: | Xv was designed for video back in the days before nvidia even existed (so think of the types of GPUs it was meant for) |
| [14:25:51] | sphery: | and OpenGL was designed for 3D, not for video, so it's somewhat lacking at video |
| [14:26:38] | sphery: | which can manifest in issues like tearing, jitter, ... and all sorts of problems where different apps need different X OpenGL configurations (that require X restarts to change) |
| [14:27:04] | RagingMind: | but due to the wonderful and amazing efforts of the mythtv team, I as an end user won't see a difference ;) |
| [14:27:13] | sphery: | so, vdpau allows you to use a presentation api specifically for video, and use opengl configured for 3d apps and graphics |
| [14:27:21] | sphery: | hehe |
| [14:28:33] | RagingMind: | I used to have intel graphics (because of my first gen atom netbook) but since I got a sandybridge (and upgraded to ivy) for my desktop I've been happy with it |
| [14:28:38] | RagingMind: | *used to hate |
| [14:28:38] | sphery: | and then again, there's the on-gpu decode, which can actually result in reduced power usage (even if you have some wasted power usage due to an integrated gpu that's not fully gated) |
| [14:28:48] | stuartm: | well once we start auto-detecting the best method to use on the system, then it will be totally invisible to the end user |
| [14:29:12] | sphery: | especially if you have a power-hungry cpu |
| [14:29:25] | sphery: | stuartm: hehe, yeah, the big problem is all the broken/lying drivers out there |
| [14:29:59] | sphery: | i.e. we have code to autodetect whether to use OpenGL or Qt paint engine, but lots of drivers report that they have hardware GL support, but don't |
| [14:30:05] | RagingMind: | and as I said earlier, the intel NUC thingies look like great mythfrontend potential, but I'm thinking my next frontend might also wind up being a sort-of steam game console too |
| [14:30:16] | sphery: | which is why Auto is the recommended setting for paint engine, but the default is Qt |
| [14:30:58] | sphery: | RagingMind: yeah, the biggest problem with the NUC is the same problem Intel's cr^H^Hstuff always has... "Intel and nothing else..." |
| [14:31:27] | sphery: | i.e. Centrino, Ultrabook, Wireless Display, ... |
| [14:31:30] | stuartm: | RagingMind: steam on linux has definitely got me considering an upgrade, I've not upgraded this machine for a few years now, I've simply haven't needed to as everything just works |
| [14:31:51] | RagingMind: | sphery, yeah, but they do have some very capable engineers |
| [14:31:55] | sphery: | I wouldn't mind NUC if I could get it with a real GPU from a real GPU vendor |
| [14:32:30] | sphery: | yeah, but their capable engineers are /very/ good general-purpose CPU designers, and still-trying-to-figure-it-out GPU designers |
| [14:32:46] | stuartm: | granted faster compiles might be nice, as would a system that doesn't strain when I'm viewing/editing RAW files |
| [14:32:59] | sphery: | granted they're making progress--but even their major upgrades on Haswell, etc., are still many years behind AMD/nvidia |
| [14:32:59] | RagingMind: | do they make mini pcie gpus? ;) |
| [14:33:52] | sphery: | As for Steam, especially since it's really Steam on Canonical, I'm sticking with my dual-boot-to-Windows system for gaming |
| [14:34:56] | sphery: | (not knocking them for making it focus on Ubuntu, and everything else being a "if you can"/"at your own risk" thing--they have to since GNU/Linux is so fragmented--but why dual-boot to 2nd-class support when I could dual-boot to Windows) |
| [14:35:21] | RagingMind: | why dual boot? |
| [14:35:42] | sphery: | because I don't have a system that runs Ubuntu full time |
| [14:35:49] | stuartm: | sphery: I'm running it on Mageia, most distros have their own packages |
| [14:36:35] | stuartm: | yes, it isn't supported, but it works well |
| [14:36:41] | RagingMind: | I'm on debian wheezy :) |
| [14:36:42] | sphery: | yeah, but still... it's a limited selection of games compared to Windows, and I'd guess few other companies are interested enough to rewrite their games for GNU/Linux (though Valve is actually doing some) |
| [14:36:55] | sphery: | so I'd still need Windows, so why not just boot to windows when I want gaming |
| [14:37:05] | sphery: | after all, for me gaming is a destination, not a diversion |
| [14:37:06] | LTHorn: | sphery, i use steam on a linux mint machine which is debian/ubuntu based and stuff works |
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| [14:37:15] | stuartm: | the only gotcha was that I had to install a beta of Mageia 3, since it depends on a recent version of glibc |
| [14:37:22] | RagingMind: | but if valve is making a linux based console steambox thing soon I'm expecting the interest from other companies to go up |
| [14:37:33] | sphery: | (and if I wanted diversion gaming, there's always my android phone or a gamestick/ouya or ...) |
| [14:37:42] | LTHorn: | how would i know which cards support vdpau? |
| [14:38:06] | RagingMind: | LTHorn, all recent nvidia and soon all recent amd |
| [14:38:21] | LTHorn: | so like fermi and up? |
| [14:38:28] | sphery: | RagingMind: I don't see interest going up until interest in desktop GNU/Linux goes up, and I don't ever see that happening (and think it's actually a bad idea for the vast majority of people to switch to GNU/Linux) |
| [14:38:37] | RagingMind: | you have to go pretty far back (I think to AGP days) to find an nvidia gpu that doesn't support vdpau |
| [14:38:46] | stuartm: | sphery: true, the games selection is very limited, they aren't even offering some games that already have linux ports – I've contended myself with a couple of puzzle games, a platformer and replaying the original HL but that will quickly get old |
| [14:39:08] | LTHorn: | Windows 8 is going to be a contributing factor in to linux adoption, but i honestly see more people just switching to the fruit than trying their hand at linux |
| [14:39:16] | ** RagingMind hugs Wold of Goo ** | |
| [14:39:21] | RagingMind: | *World |
| [14:39:28] | stuartm: | s/contended/contented/ |
| [14:39:37] | LTHorn: | RagingMind, WoG is great |
| [14:39:55] | sphery: | LTHorn: GT210 is great, GT430+ is not bad, and GT620+, IIRC... AIUI, though the 410 or 610 support it, they're not that good at it compared to the 220, so you may have to "step up" in the numbers to get good vdpau |
| [14:40:11] | LTHorn: | also as I understand it Valve is putting pressure on all of the developers to port their games to linux for the future |
| [14:40:44] | sphery: | LTHorn: yeah, Apple Mac OS X is a much better idea for someone wanting to leave MS Windows--either that or just iOS/Android and not having a computer |
| [14:40:50] | LTHorn: | gt210>gt430? |
| [14:41:05] | sphery: | LTHorn: yeah, the fermi chip isn't great at vdpau, so it takes more chip |
| [14:41:18] | LTHorn: | sphery, or getting a chromebook, which is linux, just not advertized as such |
| [14:41:24] | sphery: | and I think some of the "low" 6x0s are actually fermis |
| [14:41:49] | stuartm: | I was pissed that I lost my old Steam account (really, really old) because I stopped using that email address years ago ... that side of Steam is evil, the fact that your email address is the sole identifier and if you no longer have access to the account e.g. you ISP goes bust, then you lose access to all the games you bought |
| [14:41:51] | LTHorn: | interesting. so its actually better to get an older card than a newer one... |
| [14:42:00] | sphery: | LTHorn: chromebook may be Linux, but I'd bet it's Google Linux (much like Android) |
| [14:42:15] | sphery: | i.e. they seem to have no interest in following silly standards like FHS and POSIX and ... |
| [14:42:26] | LTHorn: | sphery, well yes it's their own build, but it is still linux |
| [14:42:58] | sphery: | stuartm: yeah, I lost my old steam account, which was created by some valve game on xbox 360--and the annoying part is I lost my preferred username |
| [14:43:17] | LTHorn: | stuartm, have you called them? i have had good luck with their phone support. if they can prove that the isp is no longer in exsistance i cant see why they wouldn't move your stuff over |
| [14:43:25] | sphery: | and the bad part is that it's not because of lack of e-mail--just that I couldn't get to it |
| [14:43:36] | LTHorn: | sphery, same thing happened to me with my psn account |
| [14:43:39] | stuartm: | sphery: at least you can change the display name to whatever you want, it's only the login name that has to be unique |
| [14:43:43] | RagingMind: | blarg... it's time to run away to work. ta ta |
| [14:43:59] | sphery: | stuartm: really... I'll be much happier in my steam games, now! |
| [14:44:21] | LTHorn: | sphery, yeah its a setting in your profile i believe |
| [14:45:01] | sphery: | of course, lately I've been playing League of Legends, so I'm "off" steam right now |
| [14:45:20] | ** sphery should finish up this job he's doing so he'll have time to play League, again ** | |
| [14:45:33] | sphery: | LTHorn: good luck with your display, whichever approach you take |
| [14:45:35] | stuartm: | LTHorn: I've not, I'd actually have a hard time proving anything since I can't remember stuff like the login name or the games I had, the email address belonged to an old domain I owned which might be enough, but I'd still struggle to provide documentary evidence of that |
| [14:46:40] | LTHorn: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130814 |
| [14:47:36] | stuartm: | I'm not _that_ upset, after all I last used that account around 2004 I think, maybe earlier, so I'm not missing much, but at least I wouldn't have had to re-purchase Half Life :) |
| [14:47:42] | LTHorn: | stuartm, if you owned the domain then you should be able to contact the listing service for documentation |
| [14:47:43] | DaveInTO: | quick q...have my boxee box connected to my myth back end via upnp..but every reboot of my myth box..i have to go remove/re add those connections to boxee |
| [14:48:36] | LTHorn: | sphery, i could never get in to lol. i started with playing hon since it was on linux, and lol is just too different for me to like |
| [14:51:09] | LTHorn: | thoughts on the aforementioned linked card? |
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| [14:54:42] | sphery: | LTHorn: just looked in my backlogs, and it looks like 520 is also good |
| [14:54:47] | sphery: | might be cheaper, too |
| [14:56:34] | LTHorn: | it's surprisingly more expensive. do you know if it out performs the 620? |
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| [15:01:45] | sphery: | I don't know |
| [15:01:54] | sphery: | I can't keep up |
| [15:02:33] | sphery: | there are quite a few people in here who have some good info on it, though, if you want to stick around, I'm sure someone will provide more info |
| [15:03:29] | stuartm: | 620 is a re-badged 530 iirc |
| [15:04:36] | stuartm: | the 610 is a 520 |
| [15:05:39] | stuartm: | the 620 should be faster than the 520, but the 610/520 uses much less power, which makes it good for a quiet, lower power myth frontend |
| [15:06:19] | stuartm: | quick check shows the 610 has a 29W TDP, vs 49W for the 620 |
| [15:06:48] | stuartm: | this looks like a good read – http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/20/nvidia-out . . . 0-no-kepler/ |
| [15:07:46] | LTHorn: | stuartm, thanks i'll read up. |
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| [15:09:08] | LTHorn: | haha that article was way shorter than i expected |
| [15:10:08] | stuartm: | yeah, it's not an in-depth review, but it does cover the basic differences of those cards and how they relate to the 5 series |
| [15:10:10] | LTHorn: | the fact that I can go fanless is encouraging. I don't mind if i run warmer so long as i can run quiet. |
| [15:11:11] | stuartm: | yeah, I was thinking of getting this one http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-Nvidia-GeForce-S . . . /B0082FN8YA/ |
| [15:12:21] | LTHorn: | same exact one I already have in my newegg cart |
| [15:12:36] | stuartm: | not a power house, but still generations ahead of the GPU I've got now |
| [15:13:13] | LTHorn: | still better than my i5 |
| [15:13:45] | LTHorn: | I'm also bringing down the wattage from a 600w psu to 300w seasonic bronze so it will be much more efficent |
| [15:13:53] | LTHorn: | efficient |
| [15:15:45] | LTHorn: | I also think that I am going to switch my front end from mythbuntu to ubuntu with mythtv |
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| [15:30:51] | tgm4883: | LTHorn, why? |
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| [15:45:41] | lord1: | Hi! Got a yet unsupported saa7134 TV card that works great on windows but on Linux video + audio are too slow (using composite + jack in). I used insmod option card=148. Any advice what to do? |
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| [17:32:12] | LTHorn: | tgm4883, So that it has a better desktop experience for using different applications other than mythtvfrontend |
| [17:34:19] | tgm4883: | LTHorn, ok, just be sure you install CCSM and enable the legacy compiz mode |
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| [18:16:12] | stuartm: | tgm4883: is that still an issue? I feel like I've fixed that fullscreen issue more than once; we set the correct flags ... |
| [18:16:55] | tgm4883: | stuartm, I'm 100% sure it's still an issue as I tested it this morning (well I tested another issue but saw that one as well) |
| [18:17:31] | tgm4883: | stuartm, I tested on v0.26.0-138-g69cd78b |
| [18:17:32] | stuartm: | hmm, has to be a compiz bug then :( |
| [18:19:30] | stuartm: | well, unless someone accidentally broke it after my fix |
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| [18:57:35] | LTHorn: | tgm4883, thanks for the heads up |
| [18:59:32] | a43lwija: | DVB-C, Germany (KabelBW). Channel scanning found the channels. But one transponder seems to be problematic: 4 channels (SAT1 HD, Kabel 1HD, ProSiebenHD, sixx HD) do not have a "freqId" set. All other channels do. Any ideas? Is this a problem? Or can it be ignored safely? |
| [18:59:37] | a43lwija: | db dump for those entries within "channels": http://pastebin.com/A5bKVsV4 |
| [18:59:43] | a43lwija: | I can receive this channels – but have a lot of really bad artifacts within the picture... |
| [19:01:22] | sphery: | a43lwija: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2013-04-11:12:04:45 |
| [19:01:30] | sphery: | (meaning read the responses from last time you asked) |
| [19:01:42] | a43lwija: | uuh. thanks. Missed that one :-( – my bad |
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| [19:02:15] | a43lwija: | they are encrypted |
| [19:02:34] | a43lwija: | but my card works when used with my tv |
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| [19:03:08] | a43lwija: | the tv is placed somewhere else (therefore it might still be a problem with the signal quality) |
| [19:03:15] | sphery: | do you have a tuner that supports CAM/CI+? |
| [19:03:32] | sphery: | that is a tuner device connected to the computer with hardware CAM/CI+ support? |
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| [19:03:41] | a43lwija: | yes. It works for several other encrypted channels |
| [19:03:56] | a43lwija: | So it is just one transponder that doesn't work |
| [19:04:04] | a43lwija: | all other channels are fine |
| [19:04:09] | a43lwija: | encrypted and unencrypted |
| [19:04:11] | sphery: | not sure what's happening, then |
| [19:04:16] | sphery: | might want to rescan that transport |
| [19:04:38] | a43lwija: | did that several times: still no "freqid" added to the table "channel" |
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| [19:05:40] | a43lwija: | sphery: thanks nevertheless |
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| [19:17:32] | sphery: | a43lwija: good luck and sorry I can't help with it... I definitely don't know the scanning stuff |
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| [20:06:46] | justinh: | okay.. how do I stop the mythtv log lunacy? |
| [20:06:57] | justinh: | I've got over 3500 logfiles in /var/log/mythtv |
| [20:08:30] | justinh: | oh nevermind. Seems service mythtv-backend restart left a backend running |
| [20:11:09] | tgm4883: | justinh, sounds like you don't have the fixed startup job |
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| [20:11:42] | justinh: | oo.. where can I get that? |
| [20:12:27] | justinh: | I'm stuck on 0.25 though.. so dunno if it'll be for me |
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| [20:13:06] | tgm4883: | justinh, https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/blob/mast . . . kend.upstart |
| [20:13:17] | tgm4883: | justinh, most importantly, line 23 needs to have exec |
| [20:14:55] | justinh: | cheers, I'll take a grab :-) |
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| [20:18:37] | justinh: | bloody OFCOM. Bloody '4G'. Frickin rescans |
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| [20:49:20] | justinh: | ach well. didn't need to rescan anyway. 'nuff said I think |
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| [21:53:33] | wagnerrp: | sphery: pixels aren't "under the bezel" |
| [21:53:56] | wagnerrp: | you do see the full panel. they just needlessly rescale it |
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| [22:05:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: some tv's have them under the bezel |
| [22:06:00] | sphery: | mainly older ones |
| [22:06:24] | sphery: | it's "hard-coded" overscan |
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| [23:45:13] | hipitihop: | Can someone tell me how I can quickly check what guide grabber my mythtv is running. I get 9 days ahead here in Australia, but I would like to see where this is all coming from and what the guide data contains |
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| [23:45:37] | wagnerrp: | if you don't know, because you likely didn't set one up, then you're using EIT |
| [23:45:48] | wagnerrp: | you're pulling guide data from the television transmission itself |
| [23:46:09] | wagnerrp: | if not EIT, most people in australia use Shepherd for guide data |
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| [23:47:23] | hipitihop: | hi wagnerrp, I'm pretty sure, a few years back when I set it up it was not from transmissions but thought it was xmltv but that's why I want to check |
| [23:47:58] | hipitihop: | also the free to air transmissions here claim to only do 7 days and I have had 9 days consistently for years |
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| [23:50:32] | hipitihop: | I'm just wondering what's the easiest way to tell. from a terminal window and then I can poke about |
| [23:50:47] | wagnerrp: | the easiest way is from mythtv-setup |
| [23:50:59] | wagnerrp: | must it be a text terminal? |
| [23:52:08] | hipitihop: | no need, but I'll ssh in so will forward X I guess and run it that way, just lazy to go to living room |
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