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| [01:15:38] | [R]: | whats nice about switching providers is myth abstracts it all away... so in the end its like nothing changed |
| [01:15:52] | [R]: | of course you still have to screw around with behind the curtain to make that happen |
| [01:16:00] | [R]: | with it behind* |
| [01:16:28] | Korny: | [R], thats good to know about to move so I should just have to my guide data and rescan channels and should be set :) |
| [01:16:46] | Korny: | wow I dropped some words |
| [01:16:55] | Korny: | and puncuation :/ |
| [01:16:58] | Korny: | and spelling |
| [01:17:09] | [R]: | well i go super anal |
| [01:17:19] | wagnerrp: | that's what she said |
| [01:17:23] | [R]: | i always make sure my channel ids match perfectly |
| [01:17:29] | [R]: | and then i go back in the db and edit all my history |
| [01:17:31] | [R]: | so they match too |
| [01:18:59] | Korny: | blah |
| [01:21:34] | Korny: | I'm such a linux noob, I just discovered ssh tunneling lol |
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| [01:59:34] | wagnerrp: | offtopic, but amusing... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo8xUsYo8IE#t=22m30s |
| [02:01:20] | wagnerrp: | build #6 is particularly amusing |
| [02:02:25] | DarthFrog: | Korny: ssh tunneling is not a newb topic. Welcome to the big leagues, Bud. |
| [02:02:54] | Korny: | really? putty makes it stupid simple :( |
| [02:03:15] | wagnerrp: | ssh makes it simple stupid, one parameter on the command line |
| [02:03:22] | wagnerrp: | putty forces you to use a GUI |
| [02:03:28] | Korny: | I'm in windows |
| [02:03:49] | Korny: | Because nvidia hasn't figured out the drivers for my 2 video cards on my laptop enough so I can play games :) |
| [02:04:01] | Korny: | Hence I'm at work |
| [02:05:39] | DarthFrog: | Simple. heh, everything is simple when you know what you're doing. It's like the retired engineer, hired back by his old company to fix a complicated machine. They asked him why he billed them $10,001 for hitting it with a wrench. He replied, "$1 for hitting it with a wrench, $10,000 for knowing where to hit it.". Once things become simple, it indicates understanding. |
| [02:06:56] | wagnerrp: | i honestly don't know what linux would do with my laptop |
| [02:07:02] | Korny: | The last 6 months I've learned more about linux then I'd learned in the past 5 years of running ubuntu. |
| [02:07:20] | wagnerrp: | the external ports are simple, those are always on the nvidia card |
| [02:07:22] | Korny: | wagnerrp, I have one of the setups that runs intel card 95% of time, then nvidia card for gaming |
| [02:07:27] | wagnerrp: | but the built-in screen... |
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| [02:08:06] | wagnerrp: | yeah, same... 3820QM and a K2000M |
| [02:08:20] | Korny: | with it in power conservation mode and not gaming I get 4–4.5 hours with an i7 and 3610qm |
| [02:08:30] | Korny: | you're is a bit more beefy |
| [02:08:41] | Korny: | I have a gtx 670m |
| [02:08:45] | DarthFrog: | Korny: There's nowt wrong really with Ubuntu. I've been running Kubuntu for a few years now. But I've been running Linux since 1994. Mastery comes at the command line, nowhere else. |
| [02:09:16] | wagnerrp: | i've not actually tested it lower than 75% or so, but it claims around 6 hours idling with wifi and moderate brightness |
| [02:09:18] | Korny: | DarthFrog, reminds me of my DOS days and having to deal with high memory and having to have boot disks for certain games |
| [02:09:31] | Korny: | wagnerrp, sounds about right |
| [02:09:43] | Korny: | my 4–4.5 is web browsing or watching movies |
| [02:11:05] | Korny: | The only game I've been running lately has been Minecraft and a bit of Half-Life 2 |
| [02:11:14] | Korny: | Which is still impressive 10 years later |
| [02:11:19] | wagnerrp: | you've actually got beefier graphics |
| [02:11:25] | wagnerrp: | mine is equivalent to a 660M |
| [02:13:52] | Korny: | which reminds me, would you consider it unethical to rip your clients movies while at work :( |
| [02:14:21] | wagnerrp: | and illegal |
| [02:15:08] | Korny: | Yeah :/ |
| [02:15:41] | wagnerrp: | seems your 670 takes a much bigger hit on power when in use |
| [02:15:58] | wagnerrp: | it's more powerful, but it's actually a rebadged 5-series |
| [02:16:15] | Korny: | Alot of nvidia cards are rebadged somethign else :/ |
| [02:16:17] | wagnerrp: | much larger fab |
| [02:18:18] | Korny: | my gt520 is a rebadged somethign else |
| [02:19:49] | wagnerrp: | the 530 was rebadged, the 510 and 520 were new cards |
| [02:20:26] | Korny: | the only difference between the 510 and 520 I could find was the 520 had more advanced video decoding lol(for my purposes) |
| [02:20:48] | wagnerrp: | they should be identical, the 520 was just clocked higher |
| [02:21:24] | Korny: | the 520 handles 1080i x2 advanced deinterlacing |
| [02:21:30] | Korny: | the 510 won't |
| [02:21:46] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU deinterlacers are all software driven |
| [02:21:53] | wagnerrp: | they run in the programmable shaders |
| [02:25:22] | Korny: | I know there was a reason ai got a 520 vs 510, maybe it was something else I don't know, I know had a reason |
| [02:25:30] | [R]: | i use the "crappy" deint |
| [02:25:35] | [R]: | and i never notice anything wrong with it |
| [02:25:48] | Korny: | I've considered not even deint, and feeding it to my Denon reciever |
| [02:25:55] | sphery: | Korny: 1080i60 or just 1080i50? |
| [02:25:56] | Korny: | which upconverts everythign to 1080p anyhow |
| [02:26:21] | Korny: | Not sure what woudl have better quality |
| [02:26:22] | sphery: | just wondering--I'm still trying to figure out what card to get for my new frontend, now that 220 isn't available |
| [02:26:25] | [R]: | getting nvidia to output interlaced is pretty difficult |
| [02:26:58] | Korny: | sphery I watch broadcast TV with vpadu adanvced preset or whatever its called |
| [02:27:13] | sphery: | Korny: whose broadcast? US or UK or ? |
| [02:27:15] | Korny: | I use a fanless 520 |
| [02:27:17] | Korny: | US |
| [02:27:23] | sphery: | ok, so that would be 1080i60 |
| [02:27:25] | Korny: | so 1080i60 |
| [02:27:30] | sphery: | cool |
| [02:27:43] | sphery: | and you use advanced 2x with the 520? |
| [02:27:50] | sphery: | (versus just advanced (1x)) |
| [02:28:06] | Korny: | I use whatever the preset is, I'm not at home, but I can check tomorrow if you want |
| [02:28:37] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU High Quality? |
| [02:28:41] | Korny: | Yes |
| [02:28:44] | Korny: | sorry |
| [02:28:48] | sphery: | so, you mean "preset" as in Playback Profile group called VDPAU High Quality |
| [02:28:48] | wagnerrp: | would be advanced 2x |
| [02:28:57] | sphery: | hehe, guess so |
| [02:29:03] | ** sphery types too slow ** | |
| [02:29:22] | wagnerrp: | smolt reports a surprisingly large percentage of users on 0.25.2 |
| [02:29:34] | Korny: | No real reason to upgrade? |
| [02:29:36] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if that's simply because it comes on 12.04, and no one upgrades |
| [02:30:01] | Korny: | I mean there IS reason to upgrade |
| [02:30:27] | sphery: | the worst part of my asking is that I don't see any difference worth worrying about, but that "I like big numbers" part of my brain says, "get one that can, just in case" |
| [02:30:29] | wagnerrp: | i mean they don't even know to enable the mythbuntu ppa and upgrade |
| [02:30:38] | wagnerrp: | as in it's not even a conscious choice to do or not do so |
| [02:30:55] | Korny: | I'm surprised mythbuntu doesn't come with it enabled( I don't think it does) |
| [02:31:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I think it's mainly that a surprisingly large percentage of users think 0.26 is bad |
| [02:31:30] | Korny: | Whats wrong with 0.26? |
| [02:31:45] | wagnerrp: | apparently there's some adverse livetv behavior |
| [02:31:48] | sphery: | because they upgraded, then had some problem and--rather than do the sane thing and fix it--said, "I can't believe how broken 0.26 is" and immediately went back to 0.25 |
| [02:32:01] | sphery: | and started telling everyone on the list that 0.26 is "the worst thing ever" |
| [02:32:01] | wagnerrp: | or that |
| [02:32:04] | sphery: | and such |
| [02:32:22] | Korny: | THe only live tv that irriates me is having my father in law over watching live tv and then mythtv won't record the program he was watching :/ |
| [02:32:33] | Korny: | so I miss my recordings because he won't watch recordings |
| [02:32:52] | Korny: | My wife is trained to watch recordings, she likes the commercial skip |
| [02:32:52] | wagnerrp: | huh? all livetv is recorded |
| [02:33:08] | Korny: | wagnerrp, yes, but if you are watching live tv the recording wont' show up |
| [02:33:15] | Korny: | unless I'm missing a setting |
| [02:33:17] | sphery: | and when I say, "rather than ... fix it", I don't mean "submit patches"--I simply mean, "make the required configuration and/or system and/or learning changes required of the new version" |
| [02:33:20] | wagnerrp: | i don't know what that means |
| [02:33:40] | Korny: | Ok I have the news at 5pm on NBC setup to record |
| [02:33:43] | wagnerrp: | are you saying you ran out of tuners, and the livetv session took priority? |
| [02:34:05] | Korny: | Father in law tunes to nbc at 4.55pm and waits for news to come on |
| [02:34:13] | Korny: | Said recording never shows up as recorded |
| [02:34:20] | wagnerrp: | it should record two separate instances |
| [02:34:25] | Korny: | it doesn't |
| [02:34:28] | wagnerrp: | one for the livetv session, and one for the recording |
| [02:34:32] | Korny: | At least not in my case |
| [02:34:47] | Korny: | Thats why I don't know if I'm missing a setting or what the deal is |
| [02:35:22] | Korny: | Its not been a issue I really cared about since my wife and I just watch recordings instead |
| [02:35:44] | sphery: | Korny: Hehe, yeah, I still remember when my parents were visiting and I had some work to do, so I left them watching TV. I showed them where the recordings were, and said, "Feel free to watch anything," and they said, "Can we just watch what's on, now?" So I started up live tv, and when I came back about 10 minutes later, they were watching the tail end of an episode of CSI (after missing the first 40mins or so) and at the time I had ... |
| [02:35:50] | sphery: | ... every single episode of CSI ever aired on my system (since I hadn't started watching the series, yet). |
| [02:36:36] | wagnerrp: | sounds like we need an alert... "do you wish to watch the recording of this show instead?" |
| [02:36:56] | sphery: | that's when I realized that for some people, "watching TV" doesn't mean the same thing it means to me |
| [02:37:24] | sphery: | (they weren't even paying attention, but just wanted some noise in the background while they sat and relaxed) |
| [02:37:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, lots of people have asked for that |
| [02:37:58] | Korny: | I would suggest how sagetv did it, but I only know basic so yeah |
| [02:38:01] | sphery: | I wouldn't be against it--but have no need for it myself :) |
| [02:38:15] | wagnerrp: | never used sage, don't know what they did |
| [02:38:21] | Korny: | Can I explain the logic? |
| [02:38:31] | wagnerrp: | go for it |
| [02:39:33] | Korny: | I don't think it would be that difficult to impliment it on mythtv, since both record allt he time. SageTV would treat live TV as a recording jsut like mythtv does, but lets say there was a recoding going and a user switched to the channel during live tv it woudl start from the begginning of the ongoing recording |
| [02:39:47] | Korny: | SO you conserved tuners |
| [02:39:55] | wagnerrp: | so it would give up a tuner |
| [02:40:08] | wagnerrp: | the trouble is how do you tell a user previously on a livetv session that they had lost their tuner |
| [02:40:10] | Korny: | No it only ever used 1 tuner for 1 channel |
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| [02:40:22] | wagnerrp: | so if they try to change channels, they cant |
| [02:40:25] | sphery: | Korny: you probably had Live TV and recordings preferring the same tuner, so your father in law got the popup saying the tuner was needed, and when that popup comes up, bad things happen (i.e. recording gets put in Live TV group or recording isn't started or ...) |
| [02:40:29] | sphery: | basically it doesn't work |
| [02:40:49] | Korny: | sphery, the tuners are setup in reverse priority |
| [02:41:01] | sphery: | priority means nothing to live tv |
| [02:41:15] | Korny: | IE tuner 1 has 4 for live tv and 1 for recording, tuner 2 has 3 for live 2 for recording ect |
| [02:41:57] | sphery: | if you mean "it was on 0.26 and I have Live TV order and schedule order set in reverse", then it could have still happened (though it would be less likely to happen consistently) |
| [02:43:47] | sphery: | Korny: wagnerrp is saying that you're watching Live TV on one frontend, your backend is recording 2 other shows, and then you channel surf to a channel that's currently being recorded, so if MythTV then made you "give up" your tuner and your father in law started up Live TV in the guest bedroom, and then you tried to channel surf beyond that channel, it would then say that all tuners are busy--just because you had the bad luck of surfing ... |
| [02:43:53] | sphery: | ... through a channel that was being recorded right when your father in law was starting live tv |
| [02:43:56] | sphery: | so he stole the tuner from you |
| [02:44:24] | sphery: | which is why mythtv doesn't relinquish Live TV tuners, and why it does 2 recordings of the same thing if you watch the show in Live TV while it's also being recorded |
| [02:44:24] | Korny: | wagnerrp, I don't think I'm communicating what I'm thinking clearly, basically with sagetv 5 frontends could all tune to NBC between 5 and 5:30pm from the guide (essentially live tv) they would all start with the recording at 5pm instead of using a tuner for live tv, does that make sense |
| [02:44:44] | wagnerrp: | yes, and we explained the issue with that |
| [02:45:03] | sphery: | yeah, it just needs to be some kind of interruption asking, "do you want to"--and not an automatic thing |
| [02:45:07] | wagnerrp: | it would be fine to do if it were voluntary |
| [02:45:18] | sphery: | since you would be relinquishing control of the tuner |
| [02:45:22] | wagnerrp: | but if that were the default behavior, expect lots of complaints |
| [02:45:26] | Korny: | sphery, problem is I KNOW I didn't run out of tuners |
| [02:45:34] | sphery: | yeah, and brother stealing tuners from brothers :) |
| [02:45:57] | wagnerrp: | you never had a problem with it, but only out of coincidence |
| [02:45:59] | sphery: | Korny: right, not in the instance where you didn't get the recording--but I still think that's because of the broken popup asking what to do |
| [02:46:28] | sphery: | but in the case that we tried to be smart and "not waste" tuners, some users would run out of tuners and "lose" their live tv sessions |
| [02:46:36] | Korny: | The popup that he probobably clicked continue watching tv instead of record and go back to the main menu lol |
| [02:46:57] | sphery: | (I just happened to use you and your father in law in my description of why not wasting tuners is bad) |
| [02:47:17] | wagnerrp: | it's not necessarily bad |
| [02:47:29] | wagnerrp: | it's just something that can cause trouble if users don't understand it is happening |
| [02:47:41] | wagnerrp: | it's a usability concern |
| [02:47:42] | sphery: | Korny: and, yeah, it's possible he got the popup and just chose the wrong thing (though, I'm pretty sure that choosing the right thing wouldn't necessarily have done the right thing, either) |
| [02:47:56] | wagnerrp: | and one that is usually easier to resolve by adding more tuners |
| [02:48:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, it's bad if that's the default/only behavior |
| [02:48:08] | sphery: | but if it's voluntary, it's fine |
| [02:48:23] | sphery: | and, yeah, the right solution is always to have enough tuners that you never run out |
| [02:48:40] | sphery: | i.e. build a system for what you intend it to do |
| [02:48:45] | ** wagnerrp is disturbed by the 9.5% of users running an "Unknown" version of mythtv ** | |
| [02:48:48] | Korny: | I have 4(8) OTA tuners and 3 cable VERY rarely do I run out of tuners |
| [02:49:19] | Korny: | Usually its cable tuners lol, I love the call from my wife saying(I can't change channels) then I log onto myhtweb and see 3 cable recordings going |
| [02:50:41] | ** wagnerrp debates dumping the smolt database to generate distribution plots for storage ** | |
| [02:50:43] | sphery: | anyway, I have to get some sleep... good talking with you, and thanks for the info on the 520--I'll keep that in mind (and next time I see one for $14, I'll buy it--can't believe I didn't get the one a couple weeks ago) |
| [02:50:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, sleeps sounds good |
| [02:51:03] | wagnerrp: | waiting on some laundry to finish |
| [02:51:19] | Korny: | I'm stuck at work for another 9 hours :/ |
| [02:51:21] | sphery: | I thought you didn't sleep, wagnerrp |
| [02:51:32] | sphery: | wow, long day |
| [02:51:34] | wagnerrp: | yeah, then i got employed... :P |
| [02:51:39] | sphery: | hehe |
| [02:51:43] | sphery: | well, congrats on that :) |
| [02:52:05] | wagnerrp: | looks like my case comes in tomorrow |
| [02:52:29] | Korny: | sphery, I sit here all night on my latop and play video games, its not a bad gig |
| [02:52:41] | sphery: | nice |
| [02:52:52] | wagnerrp: | other parts won't be here until tuesday though |
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| [02:53:30] | wagnerrp: | is it bad that i'm more excited about the case than the rest of the PC? |
| [02:53:33] | sphery: | wondering if you're paid to play video games or if you're paid to be there and you play video games until there's something they need you to do... |
| [02:53:55] | Korny: | sphery paid to be here and play video games until there's something to do |
| [02:54:22] | Korny: | There are WOW players played to play video games :) |
| [02:54:28] | sphery: | wagnerrp: does it at least have an 80 plus psu? :) maybe you won't be wasting 10 of those 25W you're pulling? |
| [02:54:48] | wagnerrp: | PSU-less |
| [02:55:02] | wagnerrp: | just using the old pre-80Plus supply i already have |
| [02:55:06] | wagnerrp: | at least for now |
| [02:55:16] | sphery: | Korny: yeah, was wondering if it was something like the WoW thing--I've never known any of those people, but would love to be able to say I "met" one |
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| [02:55:42] | Korny: | Wow someoen from Minnesota, hih len |
| [02:55:42] | wagnerrp: | it's one of those antec neohe units that they released around the time 80plus formed |
| [02:55:55] | wagnerrp: | modules, high efficiency, but unrated |
| [02:55:59] | wagnerrp: | *modular |
| [02:56:24] | sphery: | ah, interesting |
| [02:56:29] | len: | Hi :) |
| [02:56:48] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817103940 |
| [02:56:51] | Korny: | sphery, my entire backend pulls 55 watts idling and 65 watts playing 1080i, or 75 recording 7 shows and servigin 4 frontends :) |
| [02:56:59] | Korny: | and watchgint 1080i |
| [02:57:31] | Korny: | with 4 HD's and 1 ssd, i'm happy |
| [02:57:37] | wagnerrp: | i expect if i buy a new video card, i'll have no choice but to buy a new power supply |
| [02:57:39] | sphery: | Korny: not bad |
| [02:57:42] | wagnerrp: | not because a 500W isn't plenty sufficient |
| [02:57:53] | wagnerrp: | but just because it doesn't have the PCIe connectors for it |
| [02:58:09] | Korny: | wagnerrp, did I tell my power bill went down 200+ KW/H by simply building my 2 low power boxes |
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| [02:58:24] | Korny: | wagnerrp, they make molex to pci-e adaptors I believe |
| [02:58:29] | wagnerrp: | your choice of units confuses and frightens me |
| [02:58:38] | sphery: | yeah, connectors are often a challenge--I've had to rearrange psus a couple times to get connectors I needed for a new system in the right place (when replacing an old system) |
| [02:58:49] | Korny: | wagnerrp, how so :( |
| [02:58:54] | wagnerrp: | KW/H? |
| [02:59:02] | Korny: | Killawatt hours |
| [02:59:03] | wagnerrp: | time rate of change of power consumption? |
| [02:59:09] | Korny: | lol |
| [02:59:15] | Korny: | maybe KWH? |
| [02:59:17] | Korny: | I dunno |
| [02:59:20] | wagnerrp: | that works better |
| [02:59:38] | sphery: | maybe it's his power velocity? |
| [02:59:44] | sphery: | er, power acceleration |
| [03:00:02] | wagnerrp: | energy acceleration |
| [03:00:04] | wagnerrp: | power velocity |
| [03:00:34] | len: | You don't want an oversized power supply where you are typically pulling less than 20% becuause it will prob be less efficient. 80Plus doesn't even test under 20% efficiencies. |
| [03:00:35] | wagnerrp: | it's how quickly your power output can ramp up |
| [03:00:48] | sphery: | hehe |
| [03:01:28] | sphery: | len: yeah, unfortunately, most 80 plus are 350W and above |
| [03:01:30] | wagnerrp: | len: sadly, it's tough to find a decent power supply under 300W, or even 400W, these days |
| [03:01:41] | sphery: | which is annoying when you're trying to build a system to idle at 25W |
| [03:02:00] | Korny: | my 2 power supplies are 380 and 500 watts |
| [03:02:22] | Korny: | sphery, I agree, problem is the pico supplies sitll need a 12volt power brick which is more inefficent then the power supplies |
| [03:02:49] | wagnerrp: | you know, i'd love to see some standard plug for DC power |
| [03:02:55] | ** sphery really wants ^^^ ** | |
| [03:03:00] | sphery: | was just typing the same thing |
| [03:03:03] | wagnerrp: | something like 48V |
| [03:03:15] | sphery: | we shoudl really have a whole-house DC circuit |
| [03:03:19] | wagnerrp: | so you could run a decent amount of power throughout your house, without significant resistance losses |
| [03:03:27] | sphery: | rather than having tens/hundreds of power bricks per house |
| [03:03:28] | wagnerrp: | and a central rectifier |
| [03:04:07] | sphery: | and Topsy's death shouldn't be in vain! |
| [03:04:15] | wagnerrp: | tpsy? |
| [03:04:21] | wagnerrp: | *topsy |
| [03:04:59] | ** sphery sheepishly admits he has started to love Bob's Burgers (after having been very vocal about how he couldn't believe Fox kept renewing a show that has to be garbage when they cancel some great ones) ** | |
| [03:05:06] | sphery: | and on it, I learned about Topsy |
| [03:05:08] | wagnerrp: | oh, electrocution |
| [03:05:10] | sphery: | http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news . . . yintech_0104 |
| [03:05:17] | Korny: | sphery, its strangly addicting I agree |
| [03:05:43] | sphery: | yeah, Thomas Edison wanted to prove that DC is better than AC, so he killed an elephant with AC to show how dangerous it was |
| [03:06:35] | Korny: | DC is great except for it sucks over distances |
| [03:06:47] | wagnerrp: | DC is wonderful over distances |
| [03:06:55] | wagnerrp: | DC is wonderful for local use |
| [03:07:21] | wagnerrp: | electric motors run AC, but unless you're running a static speed directly off the mains, you convert to DC, and then back to AC |
| [03:07:49] | wagnerrp: | the only thing DC is bad at is breakers, since there's no zero quench point, and voltage changes |
| [03:08:03] | sphery: | and by now the patent that was making Edison a ton of money has to be expired, so |
| [03:08:03] | Korny: | I thought the problem with DC in Edison's day was that there had to be local power plants vs distant power plants with AC |
| [03:08:19] | wagnerrp: | a hundred years ago when edison and westinghouse were going at it, there simply was no way to run high voltage DC |
| [03:08:38] | wagnerrp: | everything was low voltage, high amperage, meaning you have huge transmission losses as compared to AC |
| [03:08:45] | wagnerrp: | that is no longer the case |
| [03:09:02] | wagnerrp: | a hundred years ago, AC was the better option for that single reason |
| [03:09:13] | wagnerrp: | today, there are a multitude of reasons why we should be using DC |
| [03:10:00] | sphery: | so, would it be possible to switch without building a whole new distribution infrastructure |
| [03:10:03] | clever: | and the only thing holding us back is having to replace every single eletronic item? (or add inverters everywhere?) |
| [03:10:09] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [03:10:16] | sphery: | ah, that's annoying |
| [03:10:29] | wagnerrp: | you would have to scrap and rebuild the whole system |
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| [03:11:12] | sphery: | but, even so, still makes sense to have one large and efficient whole-house converter than one for each device |
| [03:11:26] | Korny: | which considering how vulnerable the system is now, its not a bad idea:) |
| [03:11:31] | wagnerrp: | clever: except, the only thing that runs directly off AC power are incandescent lights (which run just as well off DC), and large single-speed industrial motors |
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| [03:11:50] | sphery: | Korny: but after they put the smart grid in place, it won't be vulnerable! that's what the commercials tell me |
| [03:11:53] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah, but the psu would still need to be replaced in everything else, and often isnt user-replaceable |
| [03:11:59] | wagnerrp: | everything else either uses DC, or uses DC as an intermediary in a speed controller |
| [03:12:13] | clever: | and what about europe and 240? |
| [03:12:20] | wagnerrp: | what about it? |
| [03:12:23] | sphery: | and, /everyone/ knows that a "smart" grid is better than just a grid, after all, the name says so |
| [03:12:28] | Korny: | as len can attest to, the local energy company in MN keeps uping rates 10% every 3 years |
| [03:12:38] | Korny: | with the excuse of "upgrading" |
| [03:12:41] | clever: | why havent they switched to 120, or just dc like youve said? |
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| [03:12:56] | wagnerrp: | why would they switch to 120? why would they switch to DC? |
| [03:13:05] | Korny: | I'd rather have 240 and 120 |
| [03:13:11] | wagnerrp: | it's the same problem as over here. a huge amount of legacy infrastructure to contend with |
| [03:13:17] | clever: | the only reason they used 240 in the first place was to cheap out on thinner conductors |
| [03:14:30] | len: | They keep encouraging people do cut their usage, then when they do they request a rate increase to make the same amount of money at the reduced usage :) |
| [03:15:01] | wagnerrp: | even if we put inverters at all the local substations, there is still a huge advantage to running DC through the high voltage transmission lines |
| [03:15:15] | wagnerrp: | as it means we don't need to keep all of our power plants so precisely synchronized |
| [03:15:30] | clever: | wagnerrp: could the transmission lines be reused as-is with high voltage dc, and just change the substations? |
| [03:15:49] | Korny: | Len xcel also got rid of all the solar energy and wind energy rebates |
| [03:15:54] | wagnerrp: | no. you can't use power and ground with DC |
| [03:15:59] | wagnerrp: | you need a pair of conductors |
| [03:16:16] | clever: | the existing grid is 2 phases of high voltage ac, isnt it? |
| [03:16:23] | clever: | 2 phases plus earth |
| [03:16:36] | wagnerrp: | that's only what we get at the residential level |
| [03:16:57] | wagnerrp: | the residential transmission lines are actually 3-phase |
| [03:17:14] | clever: | *looks* |
| [03:17:24] | wagnerrp: | if you follow your street lines to the main tap, it will hit only one of those three lines |
| [03:17:47] | Korny: | 3 phase motors an welders are common in industrial settings |
| [03:17:50] | wagnerrp: | and that output is then converted at the local transformer to positive and negative 120V |
| [03:17:53] | len: | Decentralized power should be the goal. Some solar panels here, windmill there, little people all over the neighborhood adding back into the grid. Would be no need for huge generator plants, and no catastrophic points fo failure. |
| [03:18:03] | clever: | wagnerrp: i see 6 seperate lines on these towers http://retasite.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/power_lines.jpg |
| [03:18:14] | len: | Not good for big power company profits though. |
| [03:18:15] | clever: | (random example, clearly not residential) |
| [03:18:24] | Korny: | len, I personally HATE xcel |
| [03:18:54] | clever: | wagnerrp: how are those 6 lines likely to be configured? |
| [03:19:00] | Korny: | All the CEO's taking off from the downtown regional airport to denver and then they have the nerve to increase the rates |
| [03:19:15] | len: | Well, utilites commission doesn't HAVE to rubber stamp all their rate requests. |
| [03:19:37] | Korny: | but they do |
| [03:19:51] | wagnerrp: | usually just 12 conductors each, on two circuits |
| [03:19:55] | Korny: | Lots of lobbying and political contributions |
| [03:20:12] | len: | Time for them to give a big veto |
| [03:20:20] | clever: | wagnerrp: could the 2 circuits just be re-purposed as positive and negative? |
| [03:20:22] | wagnerrp: | separated so inductive coupling doesn't cause skin depth issues |
| [03:20:23] | Korny: | It will never happen |
| [03:20:26] | wagnerrp: | perhaps |
| [03:21:23] | clever: | just wont have a backup then, but with 6 lines, the junctions could still be rewired to any configuration, without re-stringing everything |
| [03:21:38] | len: | lobbiests rule the world and it is getting pretty tiring. |
| [03:22:24] | len: | Or should I say big corporations, since they pay the lobbiests. |
| [03:23:24] | wagnerrp: | clever: the big difference is that there would be no reason to have those complex arrangements of lines |
| [03:23:38] | wagnerrp: | you wouldn't need three lines per circuit for your three phases |
| [03:23:50] | wagnerrp: | you wouldn't need to separate them for induction losses |
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| [03:24:11] | Korny: | The most touted feature of the Hopper makes TV commercials disappear completely when watching recorded prime-time broadcast television, unlike prior DVRs and other devices that require the viewer to fast forward through ads. |
| [03:24:17] | clever: | but its cheaper to just parallel the existing lines together for higher current, then to tear it down and redo everything |
| [03:24:21] | Korny: | Mythtv should sue dish for stealing your ideas :P |
| [03:24:35] | clever: | and then use a different design for new lines |
| [03:24:38] | len: | Speaking of low power clients, anyone accessing your backend via a roku. Those things sip power. |
| [03:24:45] | wagnerrp: | Korny: replaytv did it first |
| [03:25:04] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, the hopper is manually commercial detected |
| [03:25:20] | Korny: | len, I've thought about getting a rasperby pi and running xbmc for fun |
| [03:25:24] | wagnerrp: | everyone gets the same exact feed, using a single satellite transponder, and a single tuner |
| [03:25:26] | Korny: | wagnerrp, what doyou mean |
| [03:25:38] | wagnerrp: | and they just manually take the commercials once |
| [03:25:50] | Korny: | ahh so each box isn't doing it |
| [03:26:10] | wagnerrp: | the hopper claims to be able to record six channels, when it can really record two channels plus primetime |
| [03:26:59] | wagnerrp: | bah! |
| [03:27:09] | [R]: | my parents have soem 5 tuner thing from dtv |
| [03:27:16] | [R]: | they managed to use them all one night |
| [03:27:16] | wagnerrp: | my iscsi mount script got hosed, and mounted the same disk four times |
| [03:27:29] | wagnerrp: | i flooded by root images with garbage |
| [03:27:29] | len: | Their are a lot of more powerful r pi alts now, aren't there. New roku 3 is supposed to be 5x faster, and their must be board with that newer chip around for similar price. roku 3 remains at $99 |
| [03:27:52] | len: | *there |
| [03:27:56] | wagnerrp: | len: it doesn't take much to be more powerful than a raspberry pi |
| [03:28:10] | wagnerrp: | that thing has all the performance of a mid-range late 90's PC |
| [03:28:23] | wagnerrp: | it's an early model P2 |
| [03:28:33] | wagnerrp: | (equivalent to) |
| [03:28:39] | Korny: | len can the roku 3 run xbmc though? |
| [03:28:55] | wagnerrp: | i think the rokus run MIPS CPUs |
| [03:29:10] | wagnerrp: | either that or Sigma CPUs |
| [03:29:26] | wagnerrp: | i honestly don't know what architecture Sigma uses for their SOCs |
| [03:30:50] | [R]: | wagnerrp: so there is an RFC titled |
| [03:30:51] | [R]: | IPv6 Address Assignment to End Sites |
| [03:30:56] | [R]: | there is an RFC for EVERYTHING! |
| [03:31:10] | len: | roku 3 = Dual core Arm Cortex A9 |
| [03:31:48] | wagnerrp: | then several times more powerful than an RPi |
| [03:32:16] | wagnerrp: | and probably with a respectable amount of memory |
| [03:35:15] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i'm reading on openwrt's page and it says comcast gives a /128 (single address) to the router and /64 delgation |
| [03:35:29] | wagnerrp: | sounds normal |
| [03:35:38] | [R]: | and it says time warner is the same |
| [03:35:48] | wagnerrp: | considering that's what they're supposed to do |
| [03:38:52] | Korny: | wagnerrp, how about http://www.timingpower.com/rk3066-android-mini-pc for a frontend lol :P |
| [03:39:37] | wagnerrp: | if you can get normal linux flashed onto it, go for it |
| [03:39:40] | [R]: | wagnerrp: and mysql still needs ipv4? |
| [03:40:00] | wagnerrp: | there was another similar android system someone mentioned a month or two ago for like $40 |
| [03:40:05] | wagnerrp: | yes, mysql is ipv4 only |
| [03:42:00] | [R]: | the documentation says it suports ipv6 as of 5.5.3... is the lack of ipv6 a myth limitation? |
| [03:43:36] | wagnerrp: | 5.5.3 is fairly new |
| [03:43:46] | wagnerrp: | maybe a year old at the oldest? |
| [03:44:15] | ** wagnerrp goes back to repairing his boot image ** | |
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| [03:49:34] | wagnerrp: | you know, i'm frankly surprised linux even allowed me to mount the same filesystem five different locations |
| [03:49:49] | wagnerrp: | is it possible it automagically new to just bind one location to the next? |
| [03:49:54] | wagnerrp: | *knew |
| [03:50:51] | [R]: | no |
| [03:50:54] | [R]: | linux allows it sometimes |
| [03:51:13] | [R]: | and by sometimes i guses i mean everytime |
| [03:52:00] | [R]: | i just tried it, and its not bind |
| [03:52:09] | [R]: | cuz the mount optinos were differnet in both cases |
| [03:52:53] | wagnerrp: | since it's the same filesystem driver mounting both, it knows how to multiplex access safely? |
| [03:53:21] | wagnerrp: | turns out i actually didn't overwrite my core image |
| [03:53:28] | wagnerrp: | i overwrote it for the one for this box |
| [03:53:39] | wagnerrp: | either way, solution is the same |
| [03:53:48] | wagnerrp: | stop istgt, roll back image, start istgt |
| [03:54:06] | clever: | ive seen a bug in ubuntu before, that created 2 device nodes with different major/minor id's, for every device |
| [03:54:09] | wagnerrp: | although since it's the boot image, i would have to restart the machine first |
| [03:54:16] | clever: | for the file systems, it was harmless, only one thing can mount to / |
| [03:54:23] | clever: | but for swap, it enabled the same partition twice |
| [03:54:54] | clever: | once it fills up, it begins to overwrite its swap |
| [03:55:21] | wagnerrp: | basically, i've got the boot image, the core boot image, the kernel source image, the ccache scratch image, and the portage scratch image |
| [03:55:40] | wagnerrp: | but iscsid hadn't started because the init script hadn't been updated for a change in modprobe behavior |
| [03:55:44] | wagnerrp: | so the other four images never mounted |
| [03:56:07] | wagnerrp: | and my mount script was never programmed for that failure mode and re-mounted the system boot image four additional times |
| [03:59:45] | ** wagnerrp lets that run overnight and goes to bed ** | |
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| [09:39:12] | esperegu: | anyone knows how I can limit a power search so it will only match one show per day? |
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| [11:54:54] | Oleg_: | sphery, so, you said that it's likely that what causes this problem is the lack of a proper amplifier for the tuner? |
| [11:55:19] | Oleg_: | but the same thing happens if I connect the antenna to the pci tuner |
| [11:55:44] | Oleg_: | if I connect any antenna to either one of those tuners, I get reception problems |
| [11:56:13] | Oleg_: | meaning, the digital picture becomes garbled for a second and I hear noise |
| [11:57:27] | Oleg_: | and, as I said, nothing like that happens when I connect the antennas to my TV |
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| [13:05:24] | justinh: | Oleg_: how many times do you split the signal? You know PC tuner cards generally have *awful* tuners in them with questionable selectivity & sensitivity, right? |
| [13:05:46] | justinh: | saying 'but my TV has no problem with it' may not mean very much :-) |
| [13:08:10] | justinh: | team up a near-useless stick antenna with a low sensitivity tuner and umm... picture breakup, pscchhhhh noises, squeaks... yucky |
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| [13:10:31] | justinh: | if you split an antenna signal once, you're worse than halving the signal level. Split once, you're about 6dB down. Split twice, maybe 12dB down. If the original signal is only a few dB above the noise floor of the tuner, you get problems |
| [13:14:07] | justinh: | at home I get a really strong signal, but I can't split it more than twice or I get nasty breakup on the last tuner. I had to put a distribution amplifier (basically a powered splitter) in, then feed each output to a tuner card input |
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| [13:14:44] | justinh: | when I only had two tuners I could feed the aerial into one, then loop through to the 2nd |
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| [13:24:18] | tonsofpcs: | justinh: uh... if you're losing 6dB at a split, you're either using a terrible splitter, terrible connectors, terrible cables, or all of the above. |
| [13:25:53] | tonsofpcs: | also, "split it more than twice" sounds like you're chaining splitters. Generally a bad idea. Usually it's best to have a single multi-port split and high quality (RG6 Quad 100%) cabling. |
| [13:26:04] | justinh: | passive splitters suck |
| [13:26:38] | justinh: | over here, anything more than a 2-way passive splitter is hard to find |
| [13:26:42] | tonsofpcs: | so long as your antenna is pulling in a decent amount of signal, a splitter shouldn't be much of an issue, since you split the noise that the antenna picks up as well. You don't run into issues until the local noise floor is higher than the received noise floor |
| [13:26:57] | tonsofpcs: | UK? |
| [13:27:02] | justinh: | yup |
| [13:27:12] | tonsofpcs: | oh, well there's half your problem. You're using belling-lees ;) |
| [13:27:17] | justinh: | heheh yeah |
| [13:27:25] | justinh: | god I HATE those connectors |
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| [13:27:32] | tonsofpcs: | as much as I hate F-connectors, at least they're the same impedance as the cable they attach to! |
| [13:27:43] | justinh: | I've sometimes been tempted to mod my tuners to fit 'f' sockets |
| [13:27:54] | tonsofpcs: | best bet, if possible, is to switch to BNC or F- for distribution and just put a belling-lee at the set end. |
| [13:28:27] | justinh: | I'm not a huge fan of BNC either. I've had to crimp way too many in my short life |
| [13:28:29] | tonsofpcs: | (BNCs are nice because it's a quarter turn lock and the locking ring doesn't have a tendency to turn the cable. Fs have the problem that in tight spaces, to torque them on, the cable often turns with the connector) |
| [13:28:42] | tonsofpcs: | I've only crimped about a dozen in the past week. |
| [13:28:57] | tonsofpcs: | been doing more rj45s with the current equipment install... |
| [13:29:10] | justinh: | tonsofpcs: belling Lee connectors aren't too bad if you can find a decent plug to terminate with |
| [13:29:27] | justinh: | finding good quality plugs can be VERY difficult |
| [13:29:35] | tonsofpcs: | justinh: they present an impedence mismatch regardless. |
| [13:29:37] | justinh: | I prefer to solder them |
| [13:29:51] | justinh: | does impedance make much of a difference at 800Mhz? |
| [13:29:55] | tonsofpcs: | YES |
| [13:30:11] | tonsofpcs: | it starts making a difference in the kHz ranges. |
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| [13:30:33] | tonsofpcs: | so if you can use Fs for distribution and just have F-to-Bellinglee whips at the end, you should resolve quite a bit of issue. |
| [13:30:34] | justinh: | anyway, says you likely in the land where tv downleads were 300 ohm ribbons for donkey's ages :P |
| [13:30:51] | tonsofpcs: | at least they're impedence matched ;) |
| [13:30:55] | justinh: | heheh |
| [13:31:05] | justinh: | not very er... screened though |
| [13:31:20] | tonsofpcs: | anyway, reading the wikipedia, it seems that F-connectors are common throughout europe for satellite tv, so you can probably get a 'low grade' sat splitter that is like 5 MHz to 2 GHz |
| [13:31:52] | tonsofpcs: | justinh: that didn't matter too much when there weren't local interference sources. it was a balanced line so any remote interference tended to cancel. |
| [13:32:05] | justinh: | if you're *lucky*, a 2-way passive splitter of the type you find in many hardware stores might even be resistive |
| [13:32:32] | justinh: | if you want something inductive.. yeesh |
| [13:32:33] | tonsofpcs: | huh? |
| [13:32:55] | tonsofpcs: | what's that big uk electronics supplier I keep hearing about? |
| [13:32:57] | justinh: | tonsofpcs: the number I've bought where it's literally just connected the connectors together |
| [13:33:12] | justinh: | tonsofpcs: Maplin? I stay away from them whenever I can |
| [13:33:18] | tonsofpcs: | no, that's not it |
| [13:33:29] | justinh: | Currys? |
| [13:33:31] | tonsofpcs: | maybe |
| [13:33:44] | justinh: | I also don't go there as a matter of principle |
| [13:33:44] | tonsofpcs: | no |
| [13:34:01] | tonsofpcs: | there's some store that I end up on their site from time to time when I'm looking for a specifi cpart |
| [13:34:04] | justinh: | ok you mean electronics as in components & stuff? |
| [13:34:11] | justinh: | RS components? Farnell? |
| [13:35:33] | tonsofpcs: | ya, components and stuff |
| [13:35:43] | justinh: | anyway by 'hard to find' I mean, you can't just pick one up when you go into town |
| [13:36:08] | justinh: | otherwise it's another 20-mile round trip for a £5 thing |
| [13:36:08] | tonsofpcs: | oh, well you can't get decent ones in the states either unless you want to pay radioshack prices and even they aren't stocking much these days |
| [13:36:17] | tonsofpcs: | we're lucky that we have a local electronics shop in town here |
| [13:36:27] | tonsofpcs: | and they stock sat equipment so they have decent splitters |
| [13:36:37] | tonsofpcs: | their baluns are terrible though, need to spend the $7 at radioshack for them |
| [13:36:41] | justinh: | they still have one of those near where I used to live in Newcastle |
| [13:37:02] | justinh: | you can buy resistors, capacitors.. transistors. God, those were the days! |
| [13:37:15] | tonsofpcs: | farnell isn't who I was thinking of either but they should have it (Farnell, MCM, Newark, Element14, ... are all the same company, we order from Newark at work and I order from MCM at home) |
| [13:37:42] | justinh: | generally when we need these things, it's in a hurry so even next day won't do |
| [13:37:55] | tonsofpcs: | well, then you stock a handful. |
| [13:38:12] | tonsofpcs: | I've got a bag of splitters and prefab cable here. Driving across town to the electronics shop is too long of a turn-around |
| [13:38:25] | tonsofpcs: | (I also have terminators in case I only have an oversized splitter) |
| [13:39:09] | justinh: | back in the day I was considering putting an RF feed into every room of the house |
| [13:39:16] | justinh: | how very quaint LOL |
| [13:39:34] | tonsofpcs: | if you do that, you only plug the ones in use into the splitter and use an appropriate sized splitter, of course. |
| [13:39:50] | justinh: | I won't be doing that. Ever |
| [13:39:51] | ** tonsofpcs is about to start house shopping and expects to see a number of facepalms in the electrical and electronic departments ** | |
| [13:40:22] | justinh: | getting a house with crawlspace was the best decision I ever unknowingly made |
| [13:40:27] | tonsofpcs: | hmm, farnell lists one 2-way and one 4-way but both oos no longer made... |
| [13:41:02] | justinh: | tonsofpcs: I got my aerial amp/splitter from a local company who make *very* good gear. They even do TX! |
| [13:41:31] | justinh: | Thompson Transmitters I think they're called. |
| [13:41:48] | tonsofpcs: | did they very recently change their name? |
| [13:41:56] | justinh: | they sell everything from coax plugs all the way up to transmitter towers |
| [13:43:11] | justinh: | ah no they were taylor transmitters |
| [13:43:37] | tonsofpcs: | ah, ok, because Thales just recently renamed themselves to Thomson again (This is the Thomson/Grass Valley/RCA legacy) |
| [13:44:29] | tonsofpcs: | I imagine that taylor could give you passive splitters, they might only do it with N-connectors though... |
| [13:45:35] | tonsofpcs: | although they sell F-attenuators and grounding blocks... maybe they will sell splitters with Fs |
| [13:45:37] | justinh: | gah... they used to have actual web pages. Now everything's a crappy PDF |
| [13:46:06] | justinh: | I hope HTML5 kills PDF with a vengeance |
| [13:46:30] | justinh: | it's text, or tables of text... who needs a 100MB+ install just to read that? |
| [13:46:48] | justinh: | Adobe Acrobat Reader users, is who. Grr |
| [13:51:01] | justinh: | whoah. FIBRE for satellite?! |
| [13:54:25] | justinh: | things have come a long way since I helped my dad bolt a dish to our house wall so very long ago |
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| [13:58:54] | justinh: | tonsofpcs: yeah Taylor's passive splitters are about 4.5dB loss. I've seen figures of 6dB on splitters from Maplin & RS |
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| [14:01:53] | esperegu: | anyone knows how I can limit a power search so it will only match one show per day? |
| [14:07:51] | justinh: | edit the rule after creating it? |
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| [15:24:09] | tonsofpcs: | justinh: well, you're losing probably 1.5dB just from a belling-lee... |
| [15:24:43] | tonsofpcs: | fiber for satellite isn't new, it's just totally unnecessary unless you need a ton of splits or a long distance run |
| [15:24:51] | tonsofpcs: | and by long distance, I'm talking 0.5km or more. |
| [15:25:03] | justinh: | yeah but still.. it sounds cool |
| [15:25:12] | justinh: | not to mention .. expensive |
| [15:25:17] | tonsofpcs: | yea, we don't have any here. Got about a dozen dishes... all coax. |
| [15:25:42] | justinh: | mind, that unicable stuff sounds brilliant too |
| [15:26:15] | tonsofpcs: | basically what people do when they don't have sight from their location for a large dish (for communications relays and such), they put the dish on a nearby hill (with LNBs and all), run coax into a shelter and put fiber converters there, run fiber to their location, put fiber converters there too. |
| [15:26:33] | tonsofpcs: | the fiber is still used 'analog', just basically a block upconvert a few ghz ;) |
| [15:26:52] | justinh: | didn't think it'd be digital at the prices I've seen |
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| [15:46:45] | tonsofpcs: | well, it can't really be digital, spectrum efficiency and all that |
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| [16:15:23] | blubbi: | Hej MthTV users, does anyone know if this MySQL DB Error is the root cause why my N64 roms are not visible within MythTV? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5338056 |
| [16:16:51] | blubbi: | short: Column 'fanart' cannot be null |
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| [16:25:27] | blubbi: | https://gist.github.com/5338134 <-- also get an error when I want to list the games |
| [16:25:33] | blubbi: | see at the bootom |
| [16:25:55] | blubbi: | You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'from gamemetadata where system in ('Mupen64plus') and trim(system)=? and displa' at line 1 |
| [16:29:16] | stuartm: | blubbi: it sounds like a bug |
| [16:29:37] | stuartm: | but I can't be sure as I'm not familiar with the mythgame code |
| [16:30:38] | blubbi: | mmh, how to proceed? Is there a central bugracker? |
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| [16:48:51] | stuartm: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/http://svn.m . . . /TicketHowTo |
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| [17:05:07] | sphery: | blubbi: with current MythTV (where we actually send null values), we have it set up to always retry any SQL submission that fails if we had sent null (and we change the null to empty string). So, that's likely not the real problem--as it should have just tried again right after. |
| [17:06:55] | blubbi: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11480 |
| [17:07:05] | blubbi: | i tried serveral times, but the games do not show up |
| [17:07:31] | blubbi: | the search seems to work as the DB is populated |
| [17:07:41] | blubbi: | but the liting fails |
| [17:12:21] | sphery: | blubbi: Please exit mythfrontend (and, ideally, clear the log file), then restart mythfrontend using the default verbosity settings, go to mythgame plugin, do a new scan, and attach the entire log file from startup to the point of failure (don't cut anything out of it). But please attach it to the ticket rather than adding it into a comment. Thanks. |
| [17:13:25] | sphery: | also, when you say, "The database is populated," is that just confirming what I said--that it tries again, after it fails, with a non-null value for fanart, and that INSERT succeeds? |
| [17:14:00] | sphery: | if so, again, the fail isn't related to the issue you're having (though ideally, someone will fix the plugin's SQL so it does it right in the first place) |
| [17:15:37] | blubbi: | but why does it not list the games? |
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| [17:15:55] | blubbi: | when you check All gemes -> Mupen64plus |
| [17:16:05] | sphery: | that I can't tell you--I don't know anything about mythgame |
| [17:16:08] | blubbi: | I suppose it is inteded to list all games in the DB |
| [17:16:18] | blubbi: | and this is not working |
| [17:16:22] | sphery: | but we do need a full log to have a chance of figuring it out |
| [17:16:33] | blubbi: | see the bugreport |
| [17:16:55] | sphery: | all I see is a couple of comments in the description that show excerpts from the log |
| [17:16:59] | sphery: | not a full log |
| [17:17:14] | sphery: | see, above, where I asked you to attach a full log file |
| [17:17:44] | sphery: | in other words, I'm almost positive you're cutting out the important information and giving us an error that's not related to the issue |
| [17:17:58] | sphery: | which is why we ask for full logs rather than excerpts |
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| [17:18:35] | sphery: | IMHO, the person who's asking for help figuring out what's going on is the person least likely to be able to tell what is and is not important information in the logs (so they shouldn't be cutting anything out of the logs) |
| [17:20:31] | sphery: | and I don't mean any disrespect by that--just that the logs have a lot of information in them and to get a complete picture of what's going on, someone who understands MythTV needs to see everything it's saying |
| [17:20:35] | blubbi: | okay, I'll trigger this again and attach a full log |
| [17:20:48] | tgm4883: | sphery, +1 |
| [17:21:02] | sphery: | (and, generally, even soeone who knows MythTV well will have no idea which part of the log is relevant until after they've studied the entire log output for a while) |
| [17:21:22] | esperegu: | justinh: can you be a bit more specific on what to add to the rule to make it only match one show a day? |
| [17:21:29] | sphery: | blubbi: thanks |
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| [17:33:35] | blubbi: | added |
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| [17:33:42] | blubbi: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket . . . frontend.log |
| [17:34:49] | blubbi: | AAnything more you need? |
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| [17:58:24] | esperegu: | anyone else knows how I can limit a power search so it will only match one show per day? |
| [17:59:00] | tgm4883: | esperegu, have you tried limit 1 |
| [17:59:12] | esperegu: | tgm4883: nope. |
| [17:59:16] | esperegu: | tgm4883: lemme try |
| [17:59:16] | tgm4883: | IDK if that would work, doesn't seem like it should but IDK how the scheduler handles that |
| [18:00:43] | esperegu: | tgm4883: then it does not match anything anymore =) |
| [18:05:02] | sphery: | blubbi: that shoudl be good for now until someone who knows mythgame can dig in ... it's looking like the 2nd/3rd error is the real problem |
| [18:05:14] | sphery: | thanks for doing the new log |
| [18:06:31] | sphery: | it's much easier to understand what's actually happening when seeing it all in context |
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| [18:09:57] | tgm4883: | esperegu, sphery might know, as he knows lots of scheduling stuff, but if you are using a "once a day" filter, you're probably doing it wrong |
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| [18:47:14] | sphery: | esperegu: set the rule to "Record Daily" rather than "Record All"? |
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| [18:58:03] | Oleg_: | justinh, splitting the signal? I don't know what you mean by that. All I know is that I connect an antenna to my hdhomerun tuner or my pci tuner and I always have problems with atsc channels; meaning, sometimes picture gets distorted for a second, so I hear noise, and stuff like that |
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| [19:15:28] | esperegu: | sphery: I already had that and that does not seem to work. That should work? then it's probably cause I have an old mythtv version. |
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| [20:15:40] | addisonj: | hi, running latest mythtv with a ceton infinitv 4. I am having issues with garbled picture when viewing livetv. Using vdpau high quality (on a gtx 670, but going with software doesn't make a difference), turned off realtime priority threads |
| [20:25:45] | addisonj: | logs show lots of AFD: Unknown decoding error and AFD: Unknown audio decoding error |
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| [20:55:57] | DaveInTO: | where do i configure the path to the DVD – i thought I remember seeing that setting before |
| [20:56:03] | DaveInTO: | can't seem to get DVDs going on myth |
| [20:58:30] | DaveInTO: | Hmm..found it..looks correct /dev/sr0 |
| [20:58:42] | DaveInTO: | but nothing happens when i go click on dvd in the disk menu |
| [20:59:45] | stuartm: | DaveInTO: forgive the question but if you spent any time in here you'd know we have to ask, but is there a DVD in the drive? |
| [21:00:30] | DaveInTO: | of course.. toook it out..cleaned it |
| [21:00:35] | DaveInTO: | MythTV allows me to eject it |
| [21:00:42] | DaveInTO: | if i go to the eject menu it shows up in the list |
| [21:00:59] | DaveInTO: | (performMountCmd) Failed to mount /dev/sr0 |
| [21:01:00] | DaveInTO: | in the logs |
| [21:01:18] | DaveInTO: | but Apr 8 17:00:08 Napa mythlogserver: mythfrontend[5225]: N CoreContext mythmediamonitor.cpp:668 (JumpToMediaHandler) Found a handler for MEDIATYPE_DVD – 'MythDVD DVD Media Handler' |
| [21:01:20] | stuartm: | secondly, is the "Monitor CD/DVD" setting enabled under 'General' settings? |
| [21:01:22] | DaveInTO: | Apr 8 17:00:49 Napa mythlogserver: mythfrontend[5225]: E CoreContext DVD/dvdringbuffer.cpp:53 (DVDInfo) DVDInfo: Failed to open device at /dev/sr0 |
| [21:01:26] | DaveInTO: | yup |
| [21:01:28] | DaveInTO: | that is checked also |
| [21:01:39] | stuartm: | nevermind, the log answers my question |
| [21:01:53] | DaveInTO: | /dev/sr0 2639826 2639826 0 100% /media/DVD |
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| [21:03:16] | stuartm: | DaveInTO: permissions issue maybe? "Failed to open" suggests something low level, rather than it failing to decrypt or read the actual disc |
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| [21:07:24] | DaveInTO: | mythtv@Napa:/home/myth$ ls /media/DVD/ |
| [21:07:24] | DaveInTO: | AUDIO_TS VIDEO_TS |
| [21:07:24] | DaveInTO: | mythtv@Napa:/home/myth$ ls /dev/sr0 |
| [21:07:24] | DaveInTO: | /dev/sr0 |
| [21:07:26] | DaveInTO: | mythtv@Napa:/home/myth$ cd /dev/sr0 |
| [21:07:29] | DaveInTO: | bash: cd: /dev/sr0: Not a directory |
| [21:07:31] | DaveInTO: | mythtv@Napa:/home/myth$ |
| [21:07:34] | DaveInTO: | wonder if i should change it to use /media/DVD |
| [21:07:36] | DaveInTO: | rather then /dev/sr0 |
| [21:09:28] | DaveInTO: | yup |
| [21:09:29] | DaveInTO: | that did it |
| [21:09:30] | DaveInTO: | odd |
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| [21:11:08] | sphery: | DaveInTO: sounds like some automount garbage getting in the way |
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| [21:12:18] | DaveInTO: | I just put the automount stuff in to see if that would help :) |
| [21:12:21] | DaveInTO: | and seems to |
| [21:14:44] | DaveInTO: | guess i dont watch dvds often..its been broken for about 6–7 months..never been bothered enough to fix it |
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| [22:22:04] | Oleg_: | sphery, u there? can you please remind me what the source of the problem might be as far as this situation with the proper antenna reception is concerned? |
| [22:29:49] | Oleg_: | oh, I am reading reviews on amazon.com and someone wrote you can't really compare the hdhomerun tuner to a TV tuner because the signal in the hdhomerun tuner is split |
| [22:29:58] | Oleg_: | because it's a dual tuner |
| [22:31:15] | Oleg_: | and that person wrote that getting a tv signal booster such as Viewsonics VSMA-611C might solve the problem |
| [22:32:34] | Oleg_: | but my antenna also uses an amplifier |
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| [22:37:48] | sphery: | Oleg_: yes, that's what I was trying to say |
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| [22:38:43] | sphery: | that the HDHR includes a splitter, and since all splitters reduce signal level, you can't compare a TV tuner's reception with the HDHR's |
| [22:40:08] | sphery: | and, yes, usually to overcome signal loss, you need an amplifier--but it should be a distribution amplifier (meaning installed next to the antenna, not next to the HDHR) so that you amplify the signal before introducing loss during transmission (otherwise you amplify the signal /and/ the noise) |
| [22:40:33] | Oleg_: | sphery, but why was I having the same problem with my pci tuner (hauppage)? |
| [22:45:08] | Oleg_: | what do you mean when you say it should be installed next to the antenna? you mean, it should be connected to the antenna, not the tuner? |
| [22:45:21] | Oleg_: | but what about the fact that the antenna has its own amplifier? |
| [22:46:42] | Oleg_: | my antenna is Winegard SS-3000 |
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| [22:57:05] | tonsofpcs: | Oleg_: he means it should be as close to the antenna as possible (in wire length) |
| [22:57:35] | Oleg_: | ok |
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| [23:46:31] | sphery: | Oleg_: just means that the pci tuner needs a cleaner signal than your tv, and it sounds like your antenna has a distribution amp |
| [23:47:20] | sphery: | so either your antenna is insufficient for your pci tuner and HDHR or you need to adjust it and/or rotate it for the channels you need |
| [23:48:05] | sphery: | I have no idea why you get issues with your signal |
| [23:48:46] | sphery: | the /only/ thing I can say for sure is that comparing the TV's tuner to the HDHR's is an unfair comparison because the TV's not splitting the signal |
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| [23:49:32] | sphery: | basically, getting OTA to work requires a bit of black magic--which is why most people punt and get cable or satellite |
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| [23:50:00] | sphery: | though for those of us who put in the work, OTA is a great deal and saves a lot of money |
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