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| [00:02:39] | jjbae: | bill6502: I'm going to log out and log in on mythtv box. brb |
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| [00:03:52] | jjbae: | bill6502: 3997 ? Ssl 0:00 /usr/bin/mythbackend --syslog local7 --user mythtv |
| [00:05:18] | bill6502: | jjbae: OK, the backend is running. 'Normally' when you run mythtv-setup (I suspect a menu option in mythbuntu) you're asked if you want to stop the backend. The correct answer is yes. |
| [00:06:20] | bill6502: | If it isn't stopping, they type: sudo stop mythtv-backend |
| [00:06:33] | bill6502: | s/they/then/ |
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| [00:08:36] | jjbae: | yes, that it what I have been doing |
| [00:08:54] | jjbae: | what is s/they/then/ ? |
| [00:09:48] | bill6502: | That's me screwing up. It's an editor command meaning substitute then for my typo of they |
| [00:10:17] | bill6502: | Stop your backend manually with: sudo stop mythtv-backend |
| [00:10:18] | jjbae: | oh, cool |
| [00:11:06] | jjbae: | output: mythtv-backend stop/waiting |
| [00:11:34] | bill6502: | Now try the setup program again. |
| [00:13:02] | jjbae: | okay, still says probed info: failed to open |
| [00:14:09] | bill6502: | Let's make sure that the backend is still stopped. Do the: ps ax | grep mythbackend | grep -v grep again |
| [00:15:11] | jjbae: | okay, it didn't output anything just returned the prompt |
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| [00:16:11] | bill6502: | Good. Now see if anything else has the device, type: sudo lsof|grep /dev/video |
| [00:16:34] | bill6502: | Full disclosure, I'm getting near the end of ideas. |
| [00:17:50] | jjbae: | lol, I appreciate the effort anyhow |
| [00:18:04] | bill6502: | Did lsof return anything? |
| [00:18:15] | jjbae: | no |
| [00:19:08] | bill6502: | Argh, let's see if the device was created: ls -ld /dev/video* (should return about 5 lines.) |
| [00:19:52] | jjbae: | it returned 3 lines |
| [00:19:55] | jjbae: | crw-rw----+ 1 root video 81, 0 Mar 31 15:16 /dev/video0 crw-rw----+ 1 root video 81, 3 Mar 31 15:16 /dev/video24 crw-rw----+ 1 root video 81, 1 Mar 31 15:16 /dev/video32 |
| [00:21:35] | bill6502: | That looks good. What username are you running as? |
| [00:21:56] | jjbae: | as admin |
| [00:22:12] | bill6502: | Type: grep admin /etc/group |
| [00:22:53] | bill6502: | Do you see an entry that begins with video and has mythtv,admin in it? |
| [00:24:20] | jjbae: | yes I do |
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| [00:26:50] | bill6502: | Hmmm, those were my best shots. Since the device exists, something has it opened and is preventing the mythtv-setup program from using it. Let me lookup the lsof program arguments, maybe I need something added to it. |
| [00:27:50] | jjbae: | sure thing |
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| [00:30:19] | bill6502: | This is correct (as it was before unfortunately) but try it again: sudo lsof /dev/video0 |
| [00:31:08] | jjbae: | still didn't return anything |
| [00:31:58] | bill6502: | When you saw the Probed failure, was a specific device mentioned, e.g. the /dev/video0 one we've been testing? |
| [00:34:24] | jjbae: | it lists /dev/vbi0 |
| [00:34:24] | RoboJ1M: | When adding cuts to a cut list, are the cuts inclusive or exclusive of the frame you mark the cut on? |
| [00:36:58] | bill6502: | jjbae: I don't like that, mine uses /dev/video0. But try: sudo lsof /dev/vbi0 |
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| [00:38:26] | jjbae: | bill6502: still returns nothing |
| [00:40:02] | jjbae: | do you think it would be worth moving my card to another PCI slot? |
| [00:41:52] | bill6502: | I don't believe so, the device exists, we saw it with ls -ld /dev/video*. You have only 1 card correct? |
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| [00:42:48] | bill6502: | And in setup, you've defined it as an "MPEG-2 encoder card" right? |
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| [00:43:52] | jjbae: | yes, I have only one card and I used mpeg-2 encoder |
| [00:44:37] | jjbae: | just out of curiousity, what model is your hvr 1600? Mine is 74041 LF |
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| [00:47:34] | Cubber: | I am still having issues getting my tuner to run in mythtv. It works fine if I just cat it to a file. Dumped the log of mythbackend startup -> mythfrontend livetv attempt here: |
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| [00:47:43] | Cubber: | http://pastebin.com/bvBvnKgH |
| [00:48:01] | Cubber: | seems like this is where it is going bad: RecThread NuppelVideoRecorder.cpp:608 (SetupAVCodecVideo) – NVR(/dev/video0): Unable to open FFMPEG/mjpeg codec |
| [00:48:39] | Cubber: | tv card is Hauppauge HVR-1600. It was working fine in the previous backend before the migration. I deleted all capture cards, inputs, and video sources then recreated after the migration. |
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| [00:50:58] | bill6502: | jjbae: tveeprom 0–0050: Hauppauge model 74041, rev C6B2 |
| [00:51:27] | Cubber: | NVR(/dev/video0): Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back |
| [00:51:56] | Cubber: | TVRecEvent NuppelVideoRecorder.cpp:875 (MJPEGInit) – NVR(/dev/video0): MJPEG not supported by device |
| [00:53:26] | jjbae: | bill6502: I know my card works, I've had it working with WMC |
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| [00:55:50] | bill6502: | Good test, I forgot about that one. The other popular one is: cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg then use another player, like mplayer to view the file. It's a test to see if the card works under linux. |
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| [01:01:47] | Cubber: | on a channel scan what is the best way to handle conficts with digital channels? Seems suggest wants to overwrite analog channels such as 2, 3, etc.. |
| [01:01:52] | jjbae: | any other suggestions bill6502? |
| [01:04:03] | bill6502: | jjbae: No, sorry for the noise. The only thing I can see that's wrong is the /dev/vbi0 reference rather than /dev/video0. When in mythtv-setup/Capture card, if you use the arrows, can you select something other than /dev/vbi? |
| [01:05:19] | bill6502: | jjbae: Googling: /dev/vbi is the radio device. |
| [01:05:42] | jjbae: | I can't select anything with the arrows but it did let me type in video0 and that didn't seem to work |
| [01:06:11] | jjbae: | that's interesting |
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| [01:06:37] | bill6502: | Radio is wrong: /dev/vbi0 – The "vertical blank interval" (Teletext) capture device |
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| [01:09:19] | jjbae: | bill6502, thanks again for your time and effort, I think you've given me a good lead to purse |
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| [01:09:55] | jjbae: | pursue* haha stupid cheap wireless keybaord |
| [01:12:39] | bill6502: | good luck. there are frequently folks here that are device driver developers and mythbuntu developers. you might try again monday. |
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| [01:14:21] | jjbae: | awesome, thanks for the tip |
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| [01:15:21] | RoboJ1M: | This mythtranscode, I've never touched it before but it appears to have parameters for channelID, startTime and honorcutlist. Can it be used to just chop the cutlist out of a recording? |
| [01:15:35] | RoboJ1M: | No transcoding as such |
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| [01:21:14] | RoboJ1M: | Thinking about it, I guess it won't be losless if I don't end the cut on a key frame |
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| [01:27:53] | RoboJ1M: | Acually I'm going to bed, way too late. Goodnight! |
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| [02:14:49] | plut0: | i see to be missing channels on mythtv that are listed on schedules direct. how do i get them in mythtv? |
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| [02:59:07] | jjbae: | anyone here able to help with hvr 1600 tuner? |
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| [03:13:20] | plut0: | i see to be missing channels on mythtv that are listed on schedules direct. how do i get them in mythtv? |
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| [03:21:00] | Korny: | Evening |
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| [05:02:25] | jjbae: | anybody know how to configure backend with time warner cable box? |
| [05:03:23] | [R]: | the wiki shows many methods of connecting to cable boxes |
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| [05:45:41] | unforgiven512: | So I did some re-architecting of my network, and I was curious: is there a way to change the database IP in mythtv from "10.4.20.37" to "172.20.20.211" ? |
| [05:46:00] | unforgiven512: | I can't seem to find anything pertaining to it, and I can't remember where I entered it at initial setup =/ |
| [05:48:41] | unforgiven512: | (On the backend — the frontend(s), the IP will remain "10.4.20.37" |
| [05:51:36] | [R]: | should just need to chnage it in ~/.mythtv |
| [05:51:41] | [R]: | you might need to set it in mythtv-setup |
| [05:51:54] | unforgiven512: | there's nothing in mythtv-setup pertaining to it =/ |
| [05:52:03] | unforgiven512: | but I think I found it in ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [05:52:55] | unforgiven512: | I finally got PCI passthrough on KVM working for my NIC, and I want myth to have it's own NIC, but be able to access MySQL through a internal, host-only bridge on my KVM host (as MySQL is running on another KVM host) so the MySQL packets don't have to travel over copper |
| [05:53:25] | unforgiven512: | And the reason behind all this is, HDHomerun Prime through the KVM bridge seems to lose a lot of packets =/ |
| [05:53:37] | unforgiven512: | well, not KVM bridge, per se, but Linux bridge |
| [05:53:45] | Korny: | Did you install the new update to HDHR? |
| [05:53:51] | unforgiven512: | Yeah |
| [05:54:00] | unforgiven512: | Helped the packet loss a little |
| [05:54:02] | Korny: | I know that had some fixes for myth, just had to ask |
| [05:54:11] | unforgiven512: | But not as much as I hoped |
| [05:54:28] | [R]: | EXTREME ABUSE OF VIRTUALIZATION |
| [05:54:39] | unforgiven512: | I still think that some packets were being delayed due to the bridged networking config, and ~8 VMs shared on the bridge |
| [05:54:43] | unforgiven512: | lol |
| [05:54:45] | [R]: | hrm, wheres wagnerrp when you need thim |
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| [05:55:00] | unforgiven512: | Don't worry, he's already lectured me about virtualization ;) |
| [05:55:22] | Solaris444: | Hi all. I can't seem to get my ir remote working. irw detects keypresses and I have my lircrc file in the correct location... |
| [05:55:28] | Solaris444: | any ideas what it could be? |
| [05:56:55] | unforgiven512: | [R]: and to make it even better, I have OpenMediaVault running on another VM, sharing recording storage to the mythtv VM via NFS ;) |
| [05:57:02] | Solaris444: | Also, does anybody know why in some of the videos in my video gallery, everybody looks like smurfs? It has something to do with the nvidia driver, I know that much... |
| [05:57:04] | unforgiven512: | livetv on an NFS share kinda really sucked, though |
| [05:57:23] | unforgiven512: | so I just expanded the LVM volume to allow it to write to it's own (local) disk |
| [06:00:35] | Korny: | Wow that setup sounds so much more complicated then mine lol |
| [06:01:01] | unforgiven512: | I just really wanted to have virtualization to separate logical functions to different VMs |
| [06:01:17] | unforgiven512: | OpenMediaVault is a wonderful turn-key NAS solution |
| [06:01:17] | Korny: | Solaris444, sometimes the tint gets screwed up with nvidia cards |
| [06:01:19] | Korny: | there is a fix |
| [06:01:24] | Korny: | unforgiven512, I use Unraid |
| [06:01:41] | unforgiven512: | but I wouldn't want to try to force mythtv on a debian-squeeze based distro (I like my ArchLinux) |
| [06:01:45] | Solaris444: | Korny: Ah! Thank you. :) Would you be kind enough to point me in the right direction? |
| [06:01:51] | unforgiven512: | I've heard good and bad things about unraid |
| [06:02:10] | unforgiven512: | I'm using mdadm and 5x3TB disks in RAID-5 |
| [06:02:23] | Korny: | Solaris444, its been a while since I've had that bug, check nvidia-settings, run it as super user |
| [06:02:29] | Korny: | and move the tint button |
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| [06:02:52] | Solaris444: | will do. |
| [06:03:00] | Korny: | unforgiven512, I'm not concerned with performance so I run a version of raid 4 |
| [06:03:07] | Korny: | But it allows mutliple disk sizes |
| [06:03:30] | Korny: | As logn as parity is biggest drive in system, but if 2 drives fail I'm only out 1 drive worth of stuff |
| [06:03:41] | Solaris444: | Oh, by the way, somebody else must have noticed... you know when you go to retrieve video details and there are multiple matches? It used to show year and subtitle. |
| [06:03:42] | Korny: | where as raid 5 your just screwed |
| [06:03:59] | Solaris444: | Now you get a list without those. |
| [06:04:02] | unforgiven512: | Yeah I would hope that I wouldn't have 2 disks simultaneously fail |
| [06:04:11] | unforgiven512: | I could be super-paranoid and go RAID-6 |
| [06:04:11] | Solaris444: | Any idea what happened there Korny or unforgiven512? |
| [06:04:13] | Korny: | Solaris444, I use Tinted theme when doing metadata upgrades |
| [06:04:15] | unforgiven512: | but imo it's not worth it |
| [06:04:28] | Solaris444: | Korny: You mean the theme is the problem? |
| [06:04:37] | unforgiven512: | Solaris444: I'm not too familiar with the actual mythtv-frontend — I use XBMC |
| [06:04:38] | Korny: | Different thems show different details |
| [06:04:49] | unforgiven512: | on 2 raspberry pi's ;) |
| [06:04:51] | Korny: | unforgiven512, were the one having isses with CPU usage? |
| [06:04:56] | Solaris444: | Korny: Interesting. I'll give that a try. |
| [06:05:12] | unforgiven512: | Korny: I don't think so? lol |
| [06:05:13] | Solaris444: | Thanks guys, I'll try those 2 things and be right back. |
| [06:05:34] | Korny: | I'd LOVE to run xbmc if the pvr function worked worth half a crap |
| [06:06:08] | unforgiven512: | Korny: What issues do you have? |
| [06:06:25] | unforgiven512: | I find it to be pretty reliable (other than A) the DST issue and B) packet loss due to my crazy-ass VM setup) |
| [06:06:28] | Korny: | Last time I tried it about 2 months ago |
| [06:06:35] | Korny: | The guide was SUPER slow |
| [06:06:45] | unforgiven512: | What platform did you try it on? |
| [06:06:48] | Korny: | and there were some issues with recordings |
| [06:06:52] | Korny: | It was on an atom |
| [06:06:57] | Korny: | using openelec |
| [06:06:59] | unforgiven512: | hmm |
| [06:07:17] | unforgiven512: | The guide is so-so on my RPi...but I just figure it's because of the limited resources |
| [06:07:24] | unforgiven512: | and what recording issues? |
| [06:08:00] | unforgiven512: | I personally love XBMC — I've been using since WAAAAAY back in the original-release XBOX days |
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| [06:24:53] | Solaris444: | ok so the theme thing worked. |
| [06:25:02] | Solaris444: | I'll have to tell the author of the MythCentre theme |
| [06:25:36] | Solaris444: | Hmmm, it's one of the bundled themes |
| [06:25:41] | Solaris444: | anybody know the author? |
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| [06:34:32] | unforgiven512: | Wow, using a dedicated network interface for mythtv's access to my LAN (ie HDHomerun<-->mythtv<-->XBMC-FE(s)) makes a world of difference in watchability |
| [06:35:10] | Solaris444: | You weren't using a dedicated network interface? |
| [06:35:23] | Solaris444: | Korny: I can't find this tint setting you're talking about. |
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| [06:35:49] | unforgiven512: | You see, I'm running mythbackend on a virtual machine, and traffic was sharing the bridge and physical interface with 7 other VMs |
| [06:35:58] | Korny: | lol |
| [06:36:46] | unforgiven512: | And I set up a dedicated, private bridge just for (NFS storage <--> mythtv <--> mysql) |
| [06:37:10] | unforgiven512: | so each of those 3 VMs have 2 IPs, one private, one public |
| [06:37:21] | unforgiven512: | except the mythtv machine has a dedicated hardware interface |
| [06:37:29] | unforgiven512: | the others share a linux bridge |
| [06:38:06] | Solaris444: | jesus... all... virtual... |
| [06:38:14] | Solaris444: | that's a recipe for bad performance. |
| [06:38:23] | unforgiven512: | It was performing horribly |
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| [06:38:39] | Solaris444: | not surprised. |
| [06:38:47] | unforgiven512: | And now, with mythtv having its own dedicated physical interface (passed through via pci-passthrough), it's working fantastic |
| [06:38:57] | Solaris444: | I configure my system so that there's one hard disk for the OS install and a separate mirrored raid for media |
| [06:39:04] | unforgiven512: | I've been watching MTV HD for about 30 mins without a single jitter |
| [06:39:14] | Solaris444: | so that work done in mysql doesn't impact media performance. |
| [06:39:26] | unforgiven512: | mysql is on a different spindle than media |
| [06:39:35] | unforgiven512: | but the livetv buffer is on the same physical disc |
| [06:40:01] | unforgiven512: | I may experiment with moving it back to NFS (on the 5-disk RAID-5) |
| [06:40:54] | unforgiven512: | The *real* test will be seeing if it gets "wife-approved" ;) |
| [06:41:49] | Solaris444: | heh |
| [06:42:36] | Solaris444: | So no ideas on my ir remote issue? |
| [06:42:46] | unforgiven512: | Also I made performance tweaks to my VM setup in the process — enabled huge pages, ksm, and other good stuff |
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| [06:42:52] | unforgiven512: | I didn't see your issue, sorry |
| [06:42:55] | unforgiven512: | Can you explain again? |
| [06:43:28] | unforgiven512: | What distro? |
| [06:43:41] | unforgiven512: | Aaand, are you using the remote that came with the receiver? |
| [06:44:31] | ** unforgiven512 had a lot of trouble getting a generic MCE receiver to work with a different remote... it worked on older kernels and when they changed to lirceventd or whatever, it stopped working. So I bought some Motorola NYXBoard Hybrids ** | |
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| [06:49:00] | Solaris444: | Ah ok. |
| [06:49:11] | Solaris444: | Well, I'm on openSUSE 12.2 |
| [06:49:18] | Solaris444: | I have my lircd working |
| [06:49:24] | Solaris444: | irw detects keypresses. |
| [06:49:42] | Solaris444: | I have copied my lircrc file to ./mythtv |
| [06:49:50] | Solaris444: | but mythtv still ignores the remote. |
| [06:50:05] | unforgiven512: | hmm...out of curiousity, do you have XBMC installed? |
| [06:50:18] | unforgiven512: | I couldn't get irw to detect keypresses |
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| [06:50:39] | unforgiven512: | And from what I understand, if irw reads them, the events should be passed |
| [06:50:51] | unforgiven512: | Maybe you need to map buttons to actions? |
| [06:51:10] | ** unforgiven512 isn't *too* familiar with mythfrontend ** | |
| [06:51:14] | unforgiven512: | let me see what I can come up with |
| [06:51:38] | Solaris444: | yes, I'm wondering if my button mappings are somehow wrong, but the lircrc file I'm using has worked just fine in the past.... |
| [06:52:08] | unforgiven512: | Anything of interest in the mythtv logs? ie, if you run it from a console? ($ mythfrontend) |
| [06:53:01] | unforgiven512: | I'm assuming you followed this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC#LIRCRC to make your lircrc? |
| [06:54:46] | Solaris444: | Yup |
| [06:55:28] | Solaris444: | http://www.nanoscale.com.au/downloads/lircrc |
| [06:55:31] | Solaris444: | used that |
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| [06:56:32] | unforgiven512: | brb a sec — I'll check it out. See if mythfrontend gives any interesting output (ie, run '$ mythfrontend > fe.log' from a terminal and pastebin the output |
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| [06:57:28] | Solaris444: | many thanks! |
| [07:11:52] | Solaris444: | My console says /dev/lircd was successfully initialised using /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [07:11:56] | Solaris444: | So I have no idea. |
| [07:12:04] | Solaris444: | Unless the format of the file is somehow wrong |
| [07:13:45] | ** Korny is just lazy and uses the generic WMC remote setting ** | |
| [07:15:02] | Solaris444: | Korny, that's what I'm using as far as I know. |
| [07:15:11] | Solaris444: | can you show me your lircrc file? |
| [07:15:20] | Solaris444: | As in, could you copy it into pastebin? |
| [07:16:02] | Korny: | hmmm i need to start up putty, hold on |
| [07:16:59] | Solaris444: | thank you. :) |
| [07:17:38] | Korny: | I don't have a file called that |
| [07:17:42] | Korny: | in that directory |
| [07:22:19] | Solaris444: | you might have a file called .lircrc in your home directory |
| [07:22:28] | Solaris444: | you'll have a directory called .mythtv |
| [07:22:44] | Solaris444: | there's either a lircrc file there or one called .lircrc in ~/ |
| [07:24:46] | Korny: | hmmmm how do I show hidden files in temrinal again |
| [07:27:27] | Solaris444: | ls -alh |
| [07:31:55] | Korny: | nope |
| [07:32:48] | Korny: | not in root of /home/mythtv or .mythtv |
| [07:38:30] | unforgiven512: | Solaris444: Is it just a windows media center remote? |
| [07:38:40] | Solaris444: | yes |
| [07:38:48] | unforgiven512: | Hmm |
| [07:38:50] | Solaris444: | standard mce remote |
| [07:39:14] | Solaris444: | Korny: No idea then mate. |
| [07:39:40] | unforgiven512: | Solaris444: cat /etc/sysconfig/lirc |
| [07:39:50] | Solaris444: | yeah, that functions. |
| [07:39:55] | Solaris444: | no problems there. |
| [07:39:59] | unforgiven512: | what does it return? |
| [07:40:12] | Solaris444: | module is irw |
| [07:40:14] | Solaris444: | erm |
| [07:40:16] | Solaris444: | mceusb |
| [07:40:21] | Solaris444: | device is /dev/lirc0 |
| [07:40:32] | Solaris444: | all normal there |
| [07:40:37] | unforgiven512: | try renaming the device to just /dev/lirc |
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| [07:40:44] | unforgiven512: | and rebooting? |
| [07:40:53] | unforgiven512: | or I guess |
| [07:40:58] | unforgiven512: | ln -s /dev/lirc0 /dev/lirc |
| [07:41:05] | Solaris444: | shouldn't make a difference. irw captures key input meaning that part is working. |
| [07:41:14] | unforgiven512: | hmm |
| [07:42:36] | unforgiven512: | Are you able to try it with a different lirc-capable program (other than irw) such as XBMC |
| [07:42:37] | unforgiven512: | ? |
| [07:43:43] | Solaris444: | i might be able to. |
| [07:43:50] | Solaris444: | I'd have to rewrite the file though |
| [07:43:56] | Solaris444: | because it's program-specific |
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| [07:44:08] | unforgiven512: | you could try without a file like that (if it's an MCE remote, it should just work with xbmc) |
| [07:44:55] | unforgiven512: | Argh, it seems that an LTE base station or device around my area is causing anything on physical channel 115 (741mhz) to be completely unwatchable :( |
| [07:45:28] | Solaris444: | :/ |
| [07:46:00] | unforgiven512: | I think it's my neighbor that just moved in =/ |
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| [14:38:12] | Solaris444: | I got my remote working! |
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| [14:38:48] | Solaris444: | unforgiven512, I got my remote working mate! |
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| [19:05:16] | daniel304: | hi anyone around? |
| [19:07:45] | daniel304: | i have bought a geforce gt610 off a website i am hoping it will play back uk freeview HD!! anyone know if this will work? |
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| [19:18:19] | Solaris444: | eh? |
| [19:18:28] | Solaris444: | daniel304, your geforce card doesn't have a tv tuner. |
| [19:18:39] | Solaris444: | You need a tv tuner |
| [19:19:06] | Solaris444: | Then, once you've set that up, you can capture free to air tv and play it back. |
| [19:19:26] | Solaris444: | a geforce 610 will do that, but so will any other video card with varying degrees of efficiency. |
| [19:19:30] | daniel304: | yes i am going to buy a usb tuner compatible with mythtv |
| [19:20:10] | jarle: | Solaris444: ...but you still need a VDPAU/VAAPI supporting gfx card if you want to play HD without a powerfull cpu.. |
| [19:20:14] | daniel304: | is the gt610 capable of playing back HD tv freeview in the uk |
| [19:20:30] | Solaris444: | i would assume so |
| [19:20:40] | Solaris444: | as long as you are using the proprietary drivers |
| [19:20:56] | daniel304: | the processor is a celeron d 935 dual core 3.2ghz |
| [19:21:14] | daniel304: | gt610 is supported VDPAU |
| [19:21:15] | jarle: | daniel304: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU |
| [19:21:36] | daniel304: | yeah its supported i looked at it before!! |
| [19:22:14] | daniel304: | although i am still unsure if it will play abck freeview HDtv |
| [19:23:39] | jarle: | daniel304: as long as it support vdpau my guess is that it will work just fine.. |
| [19:23:48] | daniel304: | i guess i will have to try it out! only problem is i am buying the usb tuner in a week and maynot be able to send the gpu back before tuner is installed |
| [19:24:03] | daniel304: | ok thanks jarle |
| [19:24:51] | daniel304: | does the wiki list the newest cards? |
| [19:25:02] | jarle: | daniel304: but you will ned to use the proprietary drivers from nvidia as Solaris444 said.. |
| [19:25:16] | jarle: | daniel304: dunno |
| [19:25:46] | Solaris444: | daniel I have no idea why you keep mentioning HDTV |
| [19:25:47] | daniel304: | yes i will install the proprietary driver in ubuntu |
| [19:25:58] | Solaris444: | that's the job of the tuner |
| [19:26:06] | Solaris444: | It has relatively little to do with the graphics card |
| [19:26:19] | Solaris444: | The tuner either captures hdtv or it doesn't |
| [19:26:33] | Solaris444: | free to air hdtv in the uk arrives as an mpeg2 stream |
| [19:26:36] | daniel304: | i thought you should have a gpu that can playback live streaming hd |
| [19:26:50] | Solaris444: | daniel304: ANY graphics card can play it back. |
| [19:26:53] | daniel304: | or mpeg-4 |
| [19:27:01] | Solaris444: | Again, not relevent. |
| [19:27:02] | daniel304: | ah ok |
| [19:27:15] | Solaris444: | Basically it goes like this: |
| [19:27:32] | daniel304: | but the wiki says that some cards only support sd |
| [19:27:47] | Solaris444: | Video playback in any format can be *accelerated* by the hardware on board your graphics card. If it isn't, you need the CPU to do it. |
| [19:27:53] | Solaris444: | No, you've misunderstood. |
| [19:28:01] | Solaris444: | That's hardware accelerated video decode. |
| [19:28:08] | daniel304: | ah confused me |
| [19:28:30] | Solaris444: | Some graphics cards might only be capable of handling hard-ware accelerated SD. Especially the cheaper, older ones. |
| [19:28:55] | daniel304: | ok |
| [19:29:23] | Solaris444: | If they can't do it, you need to ask the CPU to do it. Which would be fine, but what if your CPU is doing a video transcode job at the same time? Uhoh. Not enough spare compute power to take care of that video watching. |
| [19:29:34] | Solaris444: | So now you have choppy playback. |
| [19:29:46] | daniel304: | ah i see |
| [19:30:39] | Solaris444: | Or perhaps you're using an Intel atom, which has shockingly bad performance. In which case forget using the CPU to do video decoding at HD resolutions. |
| [19:30:50] | Solaris444: | You see? |
| [19:31:15] | daniel304: | i'm joping i can configure mythtv! i had a play around with an anologue tuber before anologue was switched off |
| [19:31:16] | Solaris444: | Any graphics card will display the stuff, it's a question of how much compute power you have on hand and where that compute power is located in the system. |
| [19:31:42] | Solaris444: | Your USB card probably won't support analogue capture. |
| [19:31:47] | Solaris444: | It might, but it's unlikely. |
| [19:31:56] | Solaris444: | Very few cards are dual digital analogue. |
| [19:32:05] | daniel304: | i have no need for analogue now |
| [19:32:44] | daniel304: | so i will get the gpu using VDPAU that will take the load off the cpu |
| [19:32:45] | Solaris444: | Oh wait, I see what you were saying. |
| [19:33:55] | daniel304: | i can't wait for the parts to arrive!! an get playing with it all!! |
| [19:34:16] | jarle: | daniel304: will your tv be via satellite (dvb-s) ? |
| [19:34:32] | daniel304: | terrestrial |
| [19:34:41] | jarle: | daniel304: ok |
| [19:34:48] | daniel304: | dvb -t2 i think |
| [19:36:35] | jarle: | daniel304: then you need to make sure your tuner supports dvb-t2, and not just dvb-t I would guess. (I'm only familiar with dvb-s/dvb-s2) |
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| [19:37:13] | daniel304: | yes i'm sure it supports dvb-T2 |
| [19:37:27] | daniel304: | shall i post alink of it? |
| [19:38:02] | jarle: | daniel304: ...as some of the HD channels use dvb-s2 instead of just dvb-s, and I'm guessing it is the same for dvb-t(2) |
| [19:38:23] | daniel304: | http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004C1176E/ref=as_ . . . eview_hd.php |
| [19:40:53] | daniel304: | i was going to use ubuntu 12.04 lts and then install mythtv |
| [19:41:09] | daniel304: | or would it be better to install mythbuntu? |
| [19:41:24] | sphery: | 1/away |
| [19:42:00] | Solaris444: | daniel304 your distro of choice is irrelevant if you know how to configure it. |
| [19:42:08] | jarle: | daniel304: mythbuntu would probably be easier if you are new to mythtv. |
| [19:42:12] | sphery: | daniel304: fwiw, if you install ubuntu 12.04, then install mythtv, then reconfigure your base system appropriately to allow running mythtv properly, what you'll end up with is pretty much the same thing you get if you just install mythbuntu |
| [19:42:24] | daniel304: | i'll read some guide on how to install!! |
| [19:42:58] | sphery: | i.e. do you enjoy doing work for the sake of work, or do you value the idea of benefitting from the work done by others |
| [19:43:22] | jarle: | daniel304: my biggest suggestion would be to use an ssd disk for your backend/database. Gives you a big performance boost. |
| [19:44:09] | daniel304: | what size would be appropriate jarle |
| [19:44:25] | daniel304: | may have to save for that!! |
| [19:44:26] | jarle: | daniel304: the smallest you can get :) |
| [19:45:11] | daniel304: | does it cause a delay in the EPG or anything if i don't have one! |
| [19:45:13] | jarle: | one small ssd disk for system/database and bigger SATA disks for storage |
| [19:45:47] | Solaris444: | daniel304, the slower you disk with your database, the poorer the performance of your frontend and backend. |
| [19:45:52] | jarle: | daniel304: Mythtv uses a mysql database for EVERYTHING. It does a lot of database access.. |
| [19:45:54] | Solaris444: | Media playback is separate. |
| [19:45:57] | daniel304: | is it easy to switch the configuration and mysql database if i try it with my hd first |
| [19:46:12] | Solaris444: | No. |
| [19:46:18] | Solaris444: | You'll need to start from scratch. |
| [19:46:36] | Solaris444: | Well, that's not true. It'll just be more messing around than starting from scratch. |
| [19:47:03] | daniel304: | yeah seem like a lot of extra work!! |
| [19:47:31] | daniel304: | i setup is going to be a backend/frontend in one machine |
| [19:47:44] | jarle: | at the prices for an SSD today you'd be stupid not to use it... |
| [19:47:45] | Solaris444: | here's the guide I used. part 1 isn't working for some reason, but the rest of the setup is fine. It's really detailed. |
| [19:48:02] | Solaris444: | http://www.nanoscale.com.au/navigation/articl . . . 13-part2.php |
| [19:48:11] | Solaris444: | There's another 2 parts after that. |
| [19:48:19] | Solaris444: | Very detailed install instructions. |
| [19:48:20] | daniel304: | ok cool |
| [19:48:21] | Solaris444: | With explanations. |
| [19:48:41] | Solaris444: | Doesn't cover dvb-s though. |
| [19:53:03] | daniel304: | ok thanks for your help |
| [19:53:23] | daniel304: | and guidance i have learnt something |
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| [21:02:05] | tonsofpcs: | The HDHomeRun Prime (HDHR3-CC) is on sale at newegg today, $139.99 with bundles available (PS3, Galaxy Tab 2 7", Synology NAS) |
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| [21:17:41] | plut0: | does mythtv have a way to write recordings in progress to one location and move them to the recorded directory when finished? |
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| [21:18:42] | sphery: | plut0: what are you trying to do? |
| [21:19:03] | plut0: | sphery: utilize different disks |
| [21:19:08] | sphery: | plut0: MythTV always writes to one of the directories in the Storage Group to which the recording rule is configured to write |
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| [21:19:20] | plut0: | sphery: i have performance issues with writes |
| [21:19:24] | sphery: | "different" for what |
| [21:19:51] | sphery: | like you have one with good write performance and one without |
| [21:20:01] | plut0: | yes |
| [21:20:21] | sphery: | if so, what you want to do is configure your recording rules to write to a Storage Group that only contains directories on the file system(s) with good write performance |
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| [21:20:45] | sphery: | then after recording finishes, you can move any recordings you want to the other directory |
| [21:20:59] | sphery: | and, as long as that other directory is in some configured Storage Group, MythTV will find the recording |
| [21:21:01] | plut0: | thats in mythtv-setup? |
| [21:21:31] | sphery: | so, for example, create an Archive Storage Group and add directory/directories in the slow-write-performance file system |
| [21:21:43] | sphery: | and never put the Archive Storage Group into any of the recording rules |
| [21:22:25] | sphery: | (the recording rules specify where to write the recordings, and you can put the files in any Storage Group--so the Storage Group isn't really anything to do with where it actually exists after recording) |
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| [21:22:41] | plut0: | sphery: i'm checking it now |
| [21:23:20] | sphery: | plut0: look at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/535888#535888 |
| [21:23:48] | sphery: | note, that MythTV won't move the recordings for you--you'll have to do that yourself using something like rsync or mv or cp + rm or ... |
| [21:24:09] | sphery: | you can do that after a recording finishes using a script in a user job |
| [21:24:12] | plut0: | looks like i have no storage groups right now |
| [21:24:25] | sphery: | or you can just run a script, occasionally, that just moves "old" recordings |
| [21:24:34] | sphery: | you have to have at least a Default Storage Group |
| [21:24:51] | sphery: | in mythtv-setup on the master backend, you should see Default specified |
| [21:24:57] | sphery: | make sure you edit on the master backend |
| [21:25:08] | sphery: | generally, you should never create "overrides" on remote backends |
| [21:25:22] | sphery: | (i.e. define the Storage Group once and only once on the master backend and it applies to all backends) |
| [21:25:56] | sphery: | and any backend (master or remote) can have some or all of the directories specified in the Storage Group directory list |
| [21:25:57] | plut0: | where do the tuners link to the storage groups? |
| [21:26:04] | sphery: | they don't |
| [21:26:16] | sphery: | recording rules specify Storage Groups |
| [21:26:17] | plut0: | where do you specify which storage groups to use? |
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| [21:26:25] | sphery: | the default one to use is Default |
| [21:26:41] | sphery: | and, generally, there's no good reason to define more than Default for TV |
| [21:27:06] | sphery: | (i.e. just have one group, Default, and put all the TV recording directories--write directories--in there) |
| [21:27:12] | sphery: | and let all recording rules use Default |
| [21:27:34] | sphery: | then create your separate Archive Storage Group with your slow disk directory in it |
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| [21:27:37] | plut0: | where are the recording rules? |
| [21:27:41] | sphery: | and put TV in there |
| [21:27:54] | sphery: | in frontend, Manage Recordings|Recording Rules |
| [21:28:02] | plut0: | oh in the front end |
| [21:28:08] | sphery: | in MythWeb, Recording Schedules |
| [21:28:11] | plut0: | i'm looking at mythtv-setup right now |
| [21:28:27] | sphery: | right, mythtv-setup is initial setup that requires backend restart |
| [21:28:47] | sphery: | mythfrontend allows you to configure "day to day" stuff, like new recording rules, or generic settings |
| [21:29:11] | sphery: | so, in mythtv-setup Storage Directories, what is listed? |
| [21:29:21] | plut0: | sphery: its empty |
| [21:29:30] | sphery: | and you're on the master backend? |
| [21:29:45] | plut0: | sphery: no accessing from a frontend |
| [21:29:45] | sphery: | master backend host, that is |
| [21:29:53] | sphery: | you need to access mythtv-setup on the master backend |
| [21:29:58] | plut0: | alright |
| [21:30:14] | sphery: | don't do Storage Groups/Storage Directories on remotes (or it won't do what you want) |
| [21:30:38] | sphery: | you can use ssh -Y to run mythtv-setup on the backend and display it on your frontend display |
| [21:30:43] | sphery: | (or desktop) |
| [21:31:50] | plut0: | ok i see one default now |
| [21:32:03] | sphery: | ok |
| [21:32:10] | sphery: | now create a new one |
| [21:32:19] | plut0: | ok |
| [21:32:21] | sphery: | call it something that will let you know it's only for use for reading |
| [21:32:27] | sphery: | Read Only or Archive or ... |
| [21:32:42] | sphery: | and add the directory/directories on the slow drives to it |
| [21:33:11] | sphery: | then go back to the list of Storage Directories and choose Default and edit the directory list to remove any entries for the slow disk |
| [21:33:28] | sphery: | you remove them by hitting D to delete (or probably using SELECT or MENU or something) |
| [21:33:56] | sphery: | and then feel free to move any recordings you already have to the directories in the Archive Storage Group |
| [21:34:11] | sphery: | and just make sure you never specify Archive as the destination for any recording rules |
| [21:34:50] | sphery: | and mythtv will then only write to Default directories and you can then move things (even using ionice and/or rsync --bwlimit or ...) when you want |
| [21:35:11] | sphery: | and can serialize the process so you're never writing more than one thing at a time to the slow file system and ... |
| [21:35:18] | sphery: | whatever logic you want to put into your script |
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| [21:37:03] | plut0: | so delete the slow disk from the default storage group? |
| [21:37:10] | sphery: | yes |
| [21:37:20] | plut0: | and how do you access the slow disk? from the frontend? |
| [21:37:34] | sphery: | and as long as it's in the Archive Storage Group directory list, your system will still find any recordings in that directory |
| [21:37:43] | sphery: | it's automatic |
| [21:37:53] | sphery: | mythtv looks for recordings in all directories in all storage groups |
| [21:38:15] | plut0: | where is the archive storage group specified? |
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| [21:38:49] | sphery: | so the frontend will ask for "Spongebob Squarepants", the backend will look for it, find it in the Archive Storage Group, and your frontend will play it as if you'd never changed anything |
| [21:39:01] | sphery: | the Archive Storage Group is the one you made, above: |
| [21:39:04] | sphery: | 04.01 17:32:10 <+sphery> now create a new one |
| [21:39:06] | sphery: | 04.01 17:32:20 <+sphery> call it something that will let you know it's only for use for reading |
| [21:39:10] | sphery: | 04.01 17:32:27 <+sphery> Read Only or Archive or ... |
| [21:39:20] | plut0: | just create a new group with any name |
| [21:39:26] | sphery: | right |
| [21:39:28] | plut0: | gotcha |
| [21:39:38] | sphery: | name is irrelevant, but because I needed to call it something, I've been calling it Archive |
| [21:40:08] | plut0: | how does mythtv know where to write to? only the Default? |
| [21:40:10] | sphery: | and that other Storage Group should have the directory on the slow drive in it |
| [21:40:24] | sphery: | when you create a recording rule, you specify a Storage Group |
| [21:40:38] | sphery: | by default, you will be specifying Default |
| [21:40:46] | sphery: | I would guess every single one of your recording rules uses Default |
| [21:40:56] | sphery: | (especially since that's the only group you had for TV) |
| [21:41:08] | sphery: | so it writes to directories in Default |
| [21:41:32] | plut0: | i don't see where to change that |
| [21:41:36] | sphery: | but it reads recordings, regardless of where they exist--from directories in any Storage Group |
| [21:41:46] | sphery: | you change that in your recording rules |
| [21:41:52] | sphery: | recording rules are in frontend |
| [21:41:54] | sphery: | or MythWeb |
| [21:42:06] | sphery: | you can't change it in mythtv-setup because recording rules don't exist in mythtv-setup |
| [21:42:12] | plut0: | hmm |
| [21:42:15] | sphery: | they are "day to day" configuration, not "one-time" configuration |
| [21:42:30] | plut0: | ok checking frontend |
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| [21:44:12] | plut0: | ok i see recording rules |
| [21:44:15] | plut0: | storage options |
| [21:44:19] | plut0: | default profile |
| [21:44:23] | sphery: | plut0: if you have MythWeb configured and have your backend running, just go to Recording Schedules in it and you'll see a column Storage Group--just scan that column and make sure every single one says Default |
| [21:44:31] | sphery: | profile is Recording Profile |
| [21:44:39] | plut0: | storage group rather |
| [21:44:43] | sphery: | you want Storage Group, not Recording Group, nor Recording Profile |
| [21:44:46] | sphery: | ok, yeah |
| [21:44:48] | plut0: | so i need to update these now |
| [21:44:55] | sphery: | and unless you've set it to something different, they all say Default |
| [21:44:59] | sphery: | which is what you want |
| [21:45:02] | sphery: | you don't want to change them |
| [21:45:09] | sphery: | you have it write to Default |
| [21:45:09] | plut0: | actually i don't need to change them |
| [21:45:13] | plut0: | they are already correct |
| [21:45:42] | sphery: | then after it writes to Default, you run a script to move recordings to the slow disk (to the directory in Archive or whatever you called the other group) |
| [21:45:55] | plut0: | ok i can see all of my old recordings and i can play one |
| [21:46:07] | sphery: | yep :) |
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| [21:46:22] | sphery: | so you can then write a little script to "archive" recordings |
| [21:46:31] | plut0: | and livetv is writing to the new location |
| [21:46:33] | plut0: | so thats good |
| [21:46:45] | plut0: | so now i have a question |
| [21:46:57] | plut0: | if i create a post-script to move from one to another |
| [21:47:02] | sphery: | and since your archive destination is a slow file system, you can use ionice and rsync --bwlimit to make sure it doesn't interfere |
| [21:47:19] | plut0: | how will mythtv know where to delete the recording if i move it? |
| [21:47:25] | sphery: | I'd recommend not doing a user job, but instead doing a script that's just run occasionally (like on a cron job) |
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| [21:47:37] | sphery: | same way it knows where to find it to play it |
| [21:47:47] | sphery: | it just searches through all the directories in all the Storage Groups |
| [21:47:54] | sphery: | it will only delete one, though |
| [21:48:07] | sphery: | meaning after you copy the file, you then delete the file from the fast file system |
| [21:48:15] | plut0: | well, doesn't the database have a absolute path to the file name? |
| [21:48:53] | sphery: | and if the file doesn't exist on the fast file system when you attempt to delete it, then you also delete it from the slow file system (i.e. it means someone deleted the recording from MythTV when you were copying it to the slow file system) |
| [21:49:19] | sphery: | no, the database stores the file name and not a path |
| [21:49:33] | sphery: | so it just finds that file name in some directory in some Storage Group |
| [21:49:33] | plut0: | ok |
| [21:49:45] | plut0: | so let me try moving it now and then delete it from the frontend |
| [21:49:50] | sphery: | which is why you don't need to change anything in the database |
| [21:50:08] | sphery: | yeah, move a file, delete the file from the fast file system |
| [21:50:16] | sphery: | then go to mythfrontend and delete the recording from the frontend |
| [21:50:39] | sphery: | then in Watch Recordings, go to MENU|Change Group Filter, and select Deleted and it will show you that same recording you just deleted |
| [21:50:46] | sphery: | then Delete it, again, and it will delete it from the disk |
| [21:51:17] | sphery: | (we delete to a Deleted Recording Group, which is like a "Recycle Bin", and then if you delete a show that's in the Deleted Recording Group, it's removed from disk) |
| [21:54:28] | plut0: | ok so i moved the file |
| [21:54:32] | plut0: | and i was able to play it still |
| [21:54:37] | plut0: | so thats good |
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| [21:55:23] | plut0: | hmm weird |
| [21:55:26] | plut0: | it disappeared |
| [21:55:33] | plut0: | what happened |
| [21:55:40] | sphery: | was it live tv? |
| [21:55:44] | sphery: | was it short? |
| [21:55:44] | plut0: | yes |
| [21:55:51] | plut0: | livetv |
| [21:56:04] | sphery: | short live tv (less than 2mins, IIRC) is deleted with prejudice |
| [21:56:14] | plut0: | ha ok |
| [21:56:15] | sphery: | basically immediately |
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| [21:56:26] | sphery: | just make sure the file isn't on either disk |
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| [21:56:43] | sphery: | and you can use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py to find if you've orphaned any files |
| [21:56:50] | plut0: | something else is wrong |
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| [21:56:59] | plut0: | i can't see any recordings now |
| [21:57:21] | plut0: | nm i got it |
| [21:59:46] | plut0: | sphery: i moved the file the other way |
| [21:59:53] | plut0: | sphery: deleted it but its still on the file system |
| [22:00:05] | sphery: | 04.01 17:50:38 <+sphery> then in Watch Recordings, go to MENU|Change Group Filter, and select Deleted and it will show you that same recording you just deleted |
| [22:00:08] | sphery: | 04.01 17:50:46 <+sphery> then Delete it, again, and it will delete it from the disk |
| [22:00:11] | sphery: | 04.01 17:51:17 <+sphery> (we delete to a Deleted Recording Group, which is like a "Recycle Bin", and then if you delete a show that's in the Deleted Recording Group, it's removed from disk) |
| [22:00:53] | plut0: | does it disappear on its own if i do nothing? |
| [22:01:58] | plut0: | sphery: if so how long? |
| [22:02:03] | sphery: | yeah, eventually, according to your specified "Time to retain deleted recordings (days" |
| [22:02:18] | plut0: | interesting |
| [22:02:36] | sphery: | Determines the maximum number of days before undeleting a recording will become impossible. A value of zero means the recording will be permanently deleted between 5 and 20 minutes later. A value of minus one means recordings will be retained until space is required. A recording will always be removed before this time if the space is needed for a new recording |
| [22:02:44] | sphery: | in frontend settings |
| [22:02:45] | plut0: | i deleted from recycle bin and now its gone from the fs |
| [22:03:15] | sphery: | Utilities/Setup|Settings|General, IIRC |
| [22:03:30] | plut0: | sweet |
| [22:03:40] | plut0: | so now i just gotta build a script to move files |
| [22:04:04] | sphery: | yeah, by default, it will keep recordings until the space is needed, at which point it will delete Live TV, then Deleted recordings, then expirable not-yet-deleted recordings |
| [22:04:08] | sphery: | right |
| [22:04:12] | plut0: | just gotta add some logic so it doesn't clobber itself |
| [22:04:18] | sphery: | I was looking to see if there's one out there, but don't see one |
| [22:04:31] | plut0: | sphery: that's ok i can handle that |
| [22:04:38] | sphery: | When you create one, feel free to put it at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Scripts |
| [22:04:41] | plut0: | sphery: probably use a lock file and check for process |
| [22:04:55] | sphery: | and if you'd like, you can ping me and I'll take a look and offer suggestions |
| [22:04:59] | plut0: | sphery: thanks man, you've been really helpful |
| [22:05:44] | plut0: | actually |
| [22:05:48] | plut0: | this could be tricky |
| [22:05:56] | sphery: | if the disk is really slow, you should probably make sure you a) only move one file at a time to the other disk (makes sense, even if it's not slow, to prevent fragmentation), and b) use ionice and c) consider using something like rsync --bwlimit |
| [22:06:06] | plut0: | don't want to move a file that's still recording... |
| [22:06:22] | sphery: | right, so you can either trigger it based on a user job |
| [22:06:26] | sphery: | or just an age |
| [22:06:38] | plut0: | hmm yeah |
| [22:06:40] | sphery: | i.e. if it's > X hours old, move it |
| [22:06:42] | plut0: | i'll check by age |
| [22:06:48] | plut0: | using find |
| [22:06:51] | sphery: | yeah |
| [22:07:10] | sphery: | can also use the Python bindings to get information about the recording, including its recording status |
| [22:08:23] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Python_bindings has info on using the python bindings |
| [22:08:38] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Python_Scripts has example scripts |
| [22:09:04] | sphery: | where something like http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py might have some good "howto" type code |
| [22:09:04] | plut0: | hmm |
| [22:09:12] | plut0: | find_orphans.py: name = u'%s:�%s'�% (self.host, os.path.join(self.path, self)) |
| [22:09:29] | plut0: | SyntaxError: invalid syntax |
| [22:10:05] | plut0: | has some weird chars in there |
| [22:10:18] | sphery: | probably a problem with copy/paste from the wiki |
| [22:10:30] | plut0: | shouldn't happen |
| [22:10:31] | sphery: | see the top of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Scripts |
| [22:10:35] | sphery: | about mythwikiscripts |
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| [22:10:57] | plut0: | ok |
| [22:10:59] | plut0: | trying |
| [22:14:06] | plut0: | sphery: mythwikiscripts doesn't find any categories |
| [22:15:03] | sphery: | so find_orphans.py works for me |
| [22:15:18] | sphery: | testing mythwikiscripts--it's in the "may take several minutes" part |
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| [22:16:58] | sphery: | plut0: it worked for me |
| [22:17:07] | plut0: | what version of python are you using? |
| [22:17:18] | sphery: | an old one |
| [22:17:25] | plut0: | 2.7? |
| [22:17:30] | sphery: | 2.6.x |
| [22:17:46] | sphery: | but you should get an error if it's a compatibility issue |
| [22:17:48] | plut0: | there we go |
| [22:17:51] | plut0: | works with 2.7 |
| [22:17:54] | plut0: | doesn't work with 3.2 |
| [22:17:54] | sphery: | weird |
| [22:18:22] | plut0: | ouch, lots of orphans |
| [22:18:24] | sphery: | I'm guessing Raymond has a plan for that |
| [22:19:09] | sphery: | if you happen to figure out what's broken for 3.x, feel free to submit a bug report at trac.mythtv.org |
| [22:19:30] | sphery: | er, I mean http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ |
| [22:21:25] | plut0: | sphery: this find_orphans.py script is pretty badass |
| [22:23:20] | sphery: | yeah |
| [22:23:37] | sphery: | in theory, though, you shouldn't have any orphaned recording files or recording metadata |
| [22:23:52] | sphery: | they should only ever happen when you do something bad |
| [22:24:18] | sphery: | like delete a file off the file system directly rather than deleting it through mythtv (copies of files notwithstanding) |
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| [22:24:34] | sphery: | or mess with the database directly |
| [22:24:50] | plut0: | i've been using mythtv for 8 years, i'm sure i've collected a bit of garbage over the years ;) |
| [22:25:04] | sphery: | well, some of the older versions had issues |
| [22:25:24] | sphery: | but you shouldn't notice new orphans unless you've done something |
| [22:25:49] | sphery: | something could even be misplacing files in upgrades/reinstalls or ...) |
| [22:26:35] | EvilGuru: | sphery: I get ~1 in every 2000 or so recordings fail |
| [22:27:25] | EvilGuru: | And of all of the ones I've seen recently they've all been kernel issues |
| [22:27:57] | EvilGuru: | plut0: Have you tried running 2to3 over it? |
| [22:29:04] | plut0: | EvilGuru: creates a diff |
| [22:29:08] | sphery: | EvilGuru: with recording failures you should either get a 0-byte file (which isn't an orphan, though find_orphans.py probably shows it to you) or no recording file and no recording metadata |
| [22:29:38] | EvilGuru: | plut0: You can get it to actually make the required modifications |
| [22:29:48] | sphery: | though if you're on not-current MythTV -fixes, you may get no file with metadata |
| [22:30:05] | EvilGuru: | It is rare for a Python program to be compatible with both 2 and 3; usually you write for 2 and then use 2to3 |
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