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Thursday, March 28th, 2013, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:47] sheppard: k-man: sqlite maybe?
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[00:07:47] tgm4883: k-man, I heard mysql embedded
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[00:12:40] justinh: I heard that. sqlite wouldn't cut it, people have been saying that for a long time
[00:13:03] justinh: if you think how long some queries are taking for some people under mysql, they'd be worse in sqlite
[00:14:35] k-man: i saw something on the mailing list that made me think that postgreql might be being considered
[00:15:40] tgm4883: k-man, really? I read that the opposite. One person wanted postgresql, but the work necessary to do that wouldn't be beneficial to the project
[00:15:41] k-man: or maybe i misread that
[00:15:48] justinh: if it's embedded I couldn't give a flying monkey's ass, so long as it works
[00:15:51] k-man: tgm4883, just checking again, i think i misread it
[00:16:06] justinh: what difference does it make anyway, apart from satisfying fetishists
[00:16:19] k-man: none at all, i'm just curious and interested
[00:16:25] tgm4883: justinh, I think that is the point of making it embedded. Allowing the mythtv team to dictate the settings
[00:17:00] justinh: tgm4883: yeah, and thus, optimal for purpose :-)
[00:17:14] justinh: and saves people fricking around & breaking stuff
[00:17:41] k-man: i'm interested because i think there is a move away from mysql in various projects, mostly because i htink they don't like how oracle is managing mysql these days
[00:17:57] justinh: well, there's likely some way to load an embedded DB & edit it.. but that's just another obstacle for them ;-)
[00:18:31] justinh: hasn't mysql been forked anyway?
[00:18:36] k-man: but presumably there will be api's interacting with mythtv, and the db
[00:18:49] justinh: oh yeah. percona
[00:18:54] k-man: justinh, yeah, mariadb, and there is a discussion on the mailing list about that, which led to my question
[00:19:03] k-man: in fact i think there is more than one fork
[00:19:20] justinh: percona & mariadb.. that was it I think
[00:19:30] justinh: all, so far.. compatible.. IIRC
[00:20:55] justinh: oh boy. That's 90 minutes I'll never get back. Looking for a thing that broke the styling of the site I work on... ]<?php ... OOPS!
[00:21:35] justinh: I need to start getting out of this nano habit
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[02:29:38] Evidlo: I just installed mythtv, but when I launch mythtvbackend I constantly get the message "Starting Mythlogserver." I have tried with superuser.
[02:30:02] Evidlo: Im running Cent 6.3
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[06:17:04] esperegu: How to debug signal quality in mythtv? is there some kind of plugin?
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[11:36:36] hashbang: I'm running a super-old version of MythTV (0.24-fixes from mid-Feb 2011), and I'm not getting EPG/EIT for channels on the SDN or ArgA UK Freeview mplexes. Known problem?
[11:36:36] hashbang: sorry, ArqA
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[12:39:34] hashbang: hmm, wrong transportIDs in the dtv_multiplex table, I think
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[12:44:10] hashbang: yup, that was it
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[17:45:56] koffel: on a hdpvr can mythtv 23 support the ir blaster?
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[18:30:16] sphery: koffel: pretty sure it's more dependent on the kernel version and HD-PVR driver version
[18:30:28] sphery: since MythTV doesn't, in and of itself, use the IR blaster
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[20:47:10] koffel: sphery i tried mythtv how to on hdpvr blaster did not work for me
[20:49:19] sphery: koffel: sorry, I don't know anything about the HD-PVR, so I can't help with it, but as far as IR blasters go, it's a matter of getting the driver + LIRC to work (where getting LIRC to work is a challenge)
[20:50:14] sphery: MythTV isn't involved, other than calling a script that uses LIRC to send signals, when you configure an "external channel change script"
[20:52:41] Korny: hey sphery do you know much about about the myth db? I'm wondering if I can delete an entry that is being stuborn from videometadata
[20:53:00] Korny: I mean can I delete the whole row lol
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[20:56:09] sphery: Korny: you'd be much better off using the UI to remove it properly--there's more to an entry than just the row in that one table
[20:56:37] Korny: Tried that, get denied, yet the file in question doesn't exist
[20:56:58] sphery: right, I think it won't let you delete the metadata if the file doesn't exist
[20:57:11] sphery: instead, you have to rescan the system on which it no longer exists
[20:57:13] Korny: hmmm maybe I'll make a dummy file
[20:57:19] Korny: I have rescanned it
[20:57:37] Korny: will it care if I rname a text file to file.avi
[20:57:47] sphery: so, if it's on mythbox1, then mythbox1 has to run a mythbackend that will find that the file no longer exists
[20:57:57] sphery: during a scan
[20:58:09] justinh_: just touch the file?
[20:58:26] Korny: I run a new scan every few days
[20:58:35] Korny: Because of some automated systems
[20:58:35] sphery: you are talking about Videos, right?
[20:58:40] Korny: yes
[20:58:41] sphery: not recordings
[20:58:42] sphery: ok
[20:58:58] sphery: and is the host name on the metadata correct?
[21:01:05] Korny: I'm going to have to switch themes, the one I'm on doesn't show file path, hold on
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[21:01:51] sphery: I don't remember for sure, but it's possible that you can delete the metadata without a file if you're in Video Manager view
[21:03:16] Korny: same host listed for both entries
[21:03:28] sphery: wait, both entries?
[21:03:43] sphery: what exactly is wrong here
[21:03:44] Korny: I have a file.avi and a file.mkv
[21:03:50] Korny: both are showing up
[21:03:54] Korny: but file.avi does not exist
[21:04:22] sphery: and what about the hash of each
[21:04:42] sphery: same or different
[21:05:18] Korny: were would I check that?
[21:05:37] sphery: would be in the videometadata records
[21:06:06] Korny: ahh they both say null
[21:06:12] Korny: I'm using phpmyadmin
[21:06:21] Korny: I'm not a mysql expert at all
[21:06:52] sphery: not sure what's happening
[21:06:58] sphery: try just touching the file and deleting
[21:07:08] Korny: touching?
[21:07:44] sphery: create a fake file at the location
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[21:11:59] Korny: On a totally different subject its amazing what a failing switch can do to recordings lol\
[21:12:26] Korny: ugg it saw the new one
[21:12:30] Korny: now I have 3 entries lol
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[21:14:27] Korny: deleted fake file, rescanned, it disappeared
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[21:17:52] Korny: You know sometimes mythtv is smarter then I am
[21:17:56] Korny: uh huh
[21:20:04] ** Korny needs to look at file names closer **
[21:20:06] Korny: all fixed
[21:20:17] sphery: glad you got it
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[21:20:53] Korny: The old file was named something different then what i thought and I had corrected it using metadata
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[21:35:32] jafa: hi guys
[21:35:53] jafa: new HDHomeRun firmware was released today – this is recommended upgrade for anyone using MythTV 0.25
[21:36:42] jafa: fixes an issue which can cause video glitching on some channels, specific to MythTV 0.25
[21:36:53] Korny: What if I'm running 0.26 ?
[21:37:25] jafa: good point, 0.26 as well... I will update the changelog to reflect that
[21:37:45] Korny: HDHR or HDHR prime? or both?
[21:38:30] jafa: issue fixed for both, though we only reproduced with HDHR dual
[21:39:00] Korny: I've seen occassional glitches on the prime
[21:39:17] Korny: not entire screen glitches but instead just a small area that is glitched
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[21:39:34] jafa: small amount of data loss
[21:40:02] jafa: so that makes sense
[21:40:23] Korny: I haven't updated firmware in a year lol now to remember how
[21:40:51] jafa: to find the device id/ip: hdhomerun_config discover
[21:41:03] jafa: to upgrade: hdhomerun_config <device id> upgrade <filename>
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[21:46:20] Korny: I'm lazy and am on Windows at the moment
[21:48:38] sphery: Wow, a device that can do firmware upgrades from GNU/Linux... Nice. Seems far too many other devices require Windows, these days. It's nice that Silicon Dust actually supports Linux users.
[21:49:21] Korny: I agree, and i would have, but I'm already in windows and firing up putty took more time then the HDHR config
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[21:50:10] Korny: But thankyou for the option :)
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[21:54:28] jafa: i use mythtv as my primary dvr at home (HDHomeRun Dual for ATSC and HDHomeRun Prime for CableCARD) so I make sure we always have good mythtv and linux support
[21:54:41] Korny: jafa, thats my exact setup here
[21:55:02] jafa: good choice :-)
[21:55:30] Korny: I was afraid one of my hdhr3's was dying it turned out to be a faulty dlink green gigabit switch
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[21:56:01] tgm4883: Korny, hmm, I had one of those. Seemed to be faulty too
[21:56:06] tgm4883: it now sits in a box
[21:56:28] Korny: it was fine if only 1 stream was going through it
[21:56:52] Korny: the moment 2 streams or my backend tried to serve on of my frontends it just pooped out
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[21:57:51] Korny: I stress tested my box with a new switch recording 7 recordings and serving 4 front ends
[21:57:54] Korny: handled it fine
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[22:00:04] tgm4883: I run all mine on my dlink router now
[22:00:18] tgm4883: eventually i'll get a "good" business grade switch
[22:00:29] Korny: I just bought a new router actually a buffalo router with dd-wrt built in
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[22:01:05] Korny: My newer 8 port dlink green is handling everything just fine, just my first gen 5 port one
[22:01:18] sphery: those buffalo routers are pretty nice--and huge memory/flash
[22:01:24] Korny: yeah
[22:01:29] Korny: 55 bucks I don't mind
[22:01:37] sphery: I'm trying to decide whether to buy the WZR300 on sale at newegg for $48ish
[22:01:49] Korny: I didn't pay or dual channel router
[22:02:37] Korny: THe 300 is not gigabit just so yo uknow
[22:02:38] Korny: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0096239FG/r . . . F8&psc=1
[22:02:40] Korny: that one is
[22:03:26] Korny: wait the wzr is the gigabit one
[22:03:43] Korny: I got it on amazon free shiping no taxes 55, not sure if newegg is charging shipping
[22:03:44] sphery: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833162069 + EMCXTVM52 ... seems it makes it $46 after $10 discount
[22:04:00] sphery: WZR-300 is gigabit
[22:04:07] sphery: WHR-300 isn't
[22:04:19] Korny: yep, I have the one your looking at, works great so far
[22:04:54] sphery: yeah, I got one for my gf, and I like it a lot and want to play with it (but can't play with hers too much)
[22:04:56] Korny: I'm running my older linksys 54g(also dd-wrt) as a G router
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[22:05:27] Korny: Just turn dhcp off
[22:05:34] sphery: My old WRT-54GL is OK, but I have to disable nearly everything to get it to work with current openwrt (due to memory/size)
[22:05:50] sphery: yeah, I turned my into an AP
[22:06:01] Korny: I'm running a firmware from 2009
[22:06:09] Korny: on my wrt
[22:06:13] Korny: works fine
[22:06:56] sphery: but I'd like to set up dual access, with one "internet-only" wifi network for visitors and one "on-network" for me
[22:07:03] tgm4883: I've got a dir-825 running openwrt, but I've moved most services off of that onto my NAS
[22:07:13] tgm4883: so it's just a dumb router now
[22:07:14] sphery: and it can't handle that due to memory :(
[22:07:45] tgm4883: sphery, that is too much work for me
[22:07:49] sphery: hehe, yeah
[22:07:58] sphery: was thinking about it and really, even I don't need on-network access
[22:07:59] Korny: From my reading with the buffalo router you can setup multiple wifi networks 1 per channel
[22:08:22] sphery: but taking it "off-network" and internet only would mean running dhcp server on the router, and it can't (memory :( )
[22:08:24] tgm4883: sphery, that said, I've got radius setup on mine
[22:08:37] sphery: wow, now /that's/ work
[22:08:39] tgm4883: well, radius server is on my nas
[22:08:53] sphery: yeah, but using radius is serious
[22:08:59] tgm4883: sphery, back in the day, yea, but this NAS I have is pretty nice
[22:09:14] ** Korny NAS is an unraid box lol **
[22:09:27] tgm4883: sphery, yes it is, was kinda a disappointment that my wireless printer doesn't support WPA2 enterprise
[22:09:52] sphery: hehe
[22:10:01] tgm4883: my nas runs http://www.synology.com/dsm/index.php?lang=us
[22:10:16] tgm4883: and they have plugins for a bunch of stuff
[22:10:30] Korny: So does my unraid box >:)
[22:10:40] sphery: yeah, just getting the combination of iphones and android and kindles and nooks and laptops that connect to the ones I've setup working with plain old WPA2 was hard enough
[22:10:48] tgm4883: so I've got radius setup going back to an LDAP server (both running on the NAS), and I just setup friends with accounts that expire shortly
[22:11:22] sphery: plain old = WPA2 non-enterprise/without radius
[22:11:46] tgm4883: sphery, well that is usually because typing in a long wpa2 key is difficult right?
[22:12:01] tgm4883: especially on an iphone
[22:12:08] sphery: well, that plus some are very picky
[22:12:10] Korny: lol if any of you are ever in my area just type in the fibinachi squence
[22:12:23] Korny: You'll get full access
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[22:12:44] sphery: newer ones are doing better, but those I support love to "get their money's worth" out of tech, so they keep some ancient stuff
[22:12:47] tgm4883: I tried setting up a long key on my brothers iphone once. After 10 minutes of retyping the password I decided to reset his password to somehting much simpiler
[22:12:57] sphery: hehe
[22:13:04] Korny: lol
[22:14:21] tgm4883: unraid, I don't think I could get that to sit quietly next to my tv
[22:14:21] sphery: Yeah, I installed an Android app for a particular site that manages gift cards for me (tells me how much is left on each, when I need to use them to prevent losing value, etc., and stuff)... I won't mention the name of the app to protect the guilty
[22:14:56] sphery: their app's features say, "Enhanced security: requires password entry to access card information"... meaning every time you start the app, you must type in the password
[22:14:56] Korny: Unraid is quiet
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[22:15:25] tgm4883: People think I'm crazy that my NAS and mythtv backend sit right next to my TV.
[22:15:46] Korny: My backend is my main TV frontend
[22:15:46] sphery: and the password is the same one you use on their www site... so, their "Enhanced security" just teaches lazy mobile phone users to change their main password to an easy-to-type-on-a-mobile-phone, letters-only password
[22:15:49] tgm4883: Korny, as quiet as you want to build it right?
[22:15:50] sphery: = security faile
[22:15:56] Korny: tgm4883, exactly
[22:16:07] tgm4883: Korny, that usually means expensive though
[22:16:13] Korny: Honestly mine wouldn't be loud if I didn't have my 120mm fans going at full bore
[22:16:20] sphery: yeah, quiet gets expensive
[22:16:21] Korny: tgm4883, how much was your NAS
[22:16:37] sphery: I buy big and ugly and loud and just stick the boxes in another room
[22:16:56] Korny: because my unraid box was under 150+ 100 for my 8 sata controller
[22:17:22] Korny: So with that spare money I could make it quiet if I chose too :)
[22:17:53] jafa: my new NAS arrives next week
[22:18:10] jafa: technically it is a SAN box
[22:18:18] Korny: My biggest issue with Unraid was that my NFS shares constantly became stale
[22:18:27] Korny: so right now I'm using samba shares :/
[22:18:40] jafa: IBM thing... 384 drives
[22:18:44] Korny: lol
[22:19:04] Korny: Do you record every single channel 24/.7/365?
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[22:19:34] jafa: if I upgrade the drives I can record a 1080i channel for 24 years
[22:19:41] tgm4883: Korny, looking. Apparently I buy a lot of things on amazon.com
[22:20:00] Korny: tgm4883, you too? I got a tax statement from them saying I shuld file TN taxes
[22:20:14] Korny: I'm ignoring it
[22:20:21] tgm4883: Korny, apparently I buy about 35 items a year
[22:20:25] tgm4883: Korny, no sales tax in Oregon :)
[22:20:34] Korny: No income tax here
[22:20:56] Korny: I think I bought 4k worth of stuff on amazone last year
[22:20:59] Korny: :/
[22:22:05] jafa: with 4TB drives it should hold 1.5PB
[22:22:21] tgm4883: Korny, I can't find it. I want to say it was 200–300 a few years ago without drives
[22:22:40] Korny: tgm4883, thats not bad really
[22:23:00] tgm4883: Korny, yea it wasn't bad
[22:23:01] Korny: Unraid is nice and simple and easly expandable thats what I like about it
[22:23:08] Korny: And not to expensive
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[22:24:12] jafa: (bought it at an auction... seemed cheap so I bid... and nobody else bid)
[22:24:40] jafa: not exactly sure what to do with it
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[22:25:37] Korny: or power it?
[22:25:44] jafa: that too
[22:25:57] jafa: ~12kW looking at the specs
[22:26:24] Korny: lol
[22:26:37] Korny: sooo 1200 a month
[22:27:09] Korny: I just redid all my hardware at my home to be more energy efficent, saved 200 KW/H last month
[22:27:15] Korny: I'm happy
[22:27:47] Korny: I used to run all my services on an amd 6 core, used 180 watts at idle with all my HD
[22:28:15] Korny: Now my frontend uses 65 watts recording 7 shows and watching 1080i TV and feeding 3 front ends
[22:28:18] Korny: err
[22:28:28] Korny: Now my backend uses 65 watts recording 7 shows and watching 1080i TV and feeding 3 front ends
[22:28:43] jafa: wow – 65W is doing well
[22:28:50] Korny: 3220t
[22:28:56] jafa: single drive?
[22:28:57] Korny: nvidia 520GT
[22:29:02] Korny: 4 drives
[22:29:06] Korny: seagate LP's
[22:29:15] Korny: plus a ssd
[22:29:27] jafa: that is doing really well
[22:29:32] Korny: yeah I'm happy
[22:30:07] Korny: Helps that I have HDHR's not sure how much wattage they use, haen't hooked up my killawatt to em
[22:32:07] Korny: Haven't tested my unraid box, but considering it spins down drives and I'm using mainly wd-reds in it
[22:32:49] Korny: right now all but 1 drive and my cache drive are spun down
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[22:36:53] Narr0wM1nd: anyone use a Ceton capture card? What kind of load should I expect to see on mythbackend watching live HD on one tuner?
[22:37:10] sphery: backend should have minimal load
[22:37:18] sphery: frontend will have the load (having to decode and display)
[22:37:28] sphery: backend just takes the stream it's given and dumps it to disk
[22:38:37] Narr0wM1nd: I got a AMD A10–5800K and I see about 15% load for one HD stream.. and I get about a 15% bump up for each stream added
[22:39:36] sphery: well, that processor should have no problem
[22:39:44] Narr0wM1nd: ya I would think
[22:40:17] sphery: I'm guessing your problem is either a) commercial detection (if you're running a buggy version of mythtv that actually ran commercial detection on Live TV) or b) database
[22:40:22] Narr0wM1nd: I have checked the logs, nothing is spamming out.. being new to myth I wouldnt pick up the small error
[22:40:27] sphery: and, yes, there was such a buggy version
[22:40:38] sphery: first step is to ensure you're running current 0.26-fixes mythtv
[22:41:15] sphery: yeah, you're unlikely to get a log message saying why it's using processor
[22:41:15] Narr0wM1nd: I doubt it is mysql, I can that spikes for a moment when something pulls in the channels.. but other then that it is little load over time
[22:41:43] sphery: misconfigured mysql is often the biggest user of CPU in a mythtv system
[22:41:54] sphery: we're constantly reading from/writing to the DB
[22:41:58] sphery: especially during recording
[22:42:02] sphery: (and live tv is recording)
[22:42:15] Narr0wM1nd: Im got live cnn-hd up.. and the mysqld load is 0.0%cpu
[22:42:27] Narr0wM1nd: but mythbackend is stuck at 20%
[22:43:23] Narr0wM1nd: isnt the commerical flag a seperate process.. that isnt a thread in mytbackend.. right
[22:44:09] sphery: right, separate process
[22:45:16] Narr0wM1nd: the mythbackend came from mythtv-backend.x86_64 0.26.0–7.fc18 @rpmfusion-free-updates
[22:45:28] Narr0wM1nd: is that the -fixes branch?
[22:46:13] sphery: what's the output of mythbackend --version
[22:46:17] sphery: (on pastebin, please)
[22:47:36] Narr0wM1nd: http://pastebin.com/xYXtJG8y
[22:47:47] Narr0wM1nd: it does seem to be fixes/0.26
[22:48:30] sphery: yeah, seems its from about a month ago
[22:49:05] sphery: there have been some pretty important fixes to live tv since then, but I don't think they'd affect backend load
[22:49:23] sphery: do you have logging set up properly, too?
[22:49:36] sphery: is it actually running one copy of mythlogserver on your system and are you getting good log output?
[22:49:47] Narr0wM1nd: ya it craps out tons of logs
[22:49:56] sphery: if not, it may be just trying over and over to start up mythlogserver
[22:50:26] sphery: "tons of logs"? are you using some crazy verbose settings? You should run with default verbosity (default for MythTV, which may not be default for your distro/package).
[22:50:41] sphery: that would actually add a lot to load (though it shouldn't be 20%/recording)
[22:50:43] Narr0wM1nd: everytime mythpreviewgen runs, that is a seperate log, everytime mythmetadatalookup runs.. another log file, mythcommflag. yep another log file
[22:50:58] sphery: ok, yeah, lots of log files, versus lots of log messages
[22:51:02] sphery: and, yeah, that's by design
[22:51:36] Narr0wM1nd: I dont agree with the design, it is hard to figure out what to look at.. too much chaffe
[22:52:10] Korny: Narr0wM1nd, are you still running it from xbmc?
[22:52:10] Narr0wM1nd: they should append to the same log.. I dont need 50 mythpreviewgen files.. one with appended messages..
[22:52:30] Narr0wM1nd: I have xbmc and a mythfronted.. doesnt matter
[22:52:40] Narr0wM1nd: I see the same load hit..
[22:52:43] sphery: well, would you prefer if you got a message, "Unable to connect to backend," in your mythbackend log file, then you posted a bug report, "Mythbackend unable to connect", and quoted those messages out of mythbackend log
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[22:53:12] sphery: and then someone tells you, "mythbackend doesn't connect to itself, that's a mythpreviewgen instance that's saying it can't connect to mythbackend because your mythbackend has died"
[22:53:16] sphery: which we did for years
[22:53:30] sphery: because every app's log output went into the same log file as the process that started it
[22:53:52] Narr0wM1nd: mythpreviewgen having its own file. is fine.. having 80 mythpreviewgen files.. isnt
[22:53:54] sphery: and you'd get log output from 4 instances of mythpreviewgen interleaved with each other's output and with mythbackend's output and with mythtranscode's output
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[22:54:09] sphery: well, if you have 80 mythpreviewgens running at once...
[22:54:18] sphery: how can you tell which one is logging the info?
[22:54:23] Narr0wM1nd: use instance counting and insert that into the message
[22:54:28] sphery: anyway, with proper log file cleanup, it makes no difference
[22:54:38] Narr0wM1nd: include the pid if they arnt threads
[22:54:39] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Logging#Log_file_cleanup
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[22:55:01] Narr0wM1nd: infact pid is already in the file.. so there isnt a 'cleanup' required
[22:55:09] sphery: but if you want to commingle things so that /you/ have to parse the information to figure out which applies to what you're trying to debug: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Logging#syslog_Logging
[22:55:15] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Syslog_Configuration_Files
[22:55:21] sphery: syslog is your way to control logging
[22:55:51] sphery: but if anyone asks me to debug, I'll ask for a proper log file that doesn't have output from multiple processes in it
[22:56:09] sphery: so, with syslog, you can actually set it up to log every single mythtv application to one file
[22:56:13] sphery: or one per app
[22:56:15] sphery: or one per process
[22:56:16] sphery: or...
[22:56:59] sphery: what I meant by "cleanup" is deleting old/obsolete log files when you don't need them
[22:57:00] Narr0wM1nd: it would be simple to demux the log with a grep for pid
[22:57:03] sphery: i.e. log rotation and/or deletion
[22:57:41] sphery: well, I'd rather spend my time working on mythtv code than trying to bend your logs 'til their readable
[22:57:41] Narr0wM1nd: ya I can see weekly logrotation was configured by the rpms
[22:58:04] sphery: but, seriously, if you don't like how mythtv logs, set up syslog logging
[22:58:16] sphery: we have rsyslog and syslog-ng config files shown
[22:58:31] sphery: and if you create one for another flavor (or improve one), please post them to the wiki
[22:58:35] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Syslog_Configuration_Files
[22:58:47] sphery: those basically throw all log output into one file per application
[22:59:20] sphery: which seems to be what you want
[22:59:30] Narr0wM1nd: ya I know how syslog works
[23:02:11] sphery: anyway, I don't know what might be causing the load on your system, but it should be a small load on that processor and should be about the same whether doing one or 4 recordings from the InfiniTV
[23:02:21] sphery: so something's not right
[23:03:01] Narr0wM1nd: ya I was going to test by setting up 4 hd recordings to run at the same time without any frontends connecte
[23:03:27] Narr0wM1nd: see if I can isloate pulling HD from the tuner
[23:04:50] Korny: my tiny little 3220t does 7 recordings and mythflag without issue
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[23:14:28] Narr0wM1nd: I got all four tuners recording day time programming (yay) and with no frontends connected mythbackend is pulling %50 cpu
[23:15:04] Narr0wM1nd: the next hightst is log server at 1%..I dont see mysqld in the top 20
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[23:16:13] Korny2: strange
[23:16:42] Korny2: mythflag not showing up?
[23:16:49] Narr0wM1nd: nope
[23:17:23] Korny2: Do you have it enabled ?
[23:17:44] Korny2: So the single mythbackend thread is pulling 50%?
[23:17:49] Narr0wM1nd: yep
[23:18:13] Narr0wM1nd: somewhere between 45 and 52 %..
[23:21:37] Korny2: Are you using top?
[23:22:23] Narr0wM1nd: ya
[23:22:36] Korny2: I'm recording 2 HD streams 1 OTA 1 HDHR prime, and only using 15–20% cpu on 1 core, so 3–4% total cpu
[23:23:00] Korny2: The percentage you're reading is that the total cpu up top?
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[23:23:31] Korny2: I'm wondering if part of it is USB interface vs network interface??
[23:23:38] Korny2: not sure how efficent USB is
[23:24:05] Narr0wM1nd: dunno, mine is a card
[23:24:16] Korny2: What card are you using?
[23:24:27] Narr0wM1nd: ceton infinitiv4
[23:24:34] Korny2: oh wait ceton cards just make a network connection
[23:24:48] Korny2: I was thinking somethign different
[23:25:00] Narr0wM1nd: sort.. all the UI is a network interface.. but there is a dev entry for the mpeg 2
[23:26:42] Korny2: It would be interesting to see if its related to your card
[23:27:11] Narr0wM1nd: so to address the ui of the card you use 192.168.200.1 but to pull mpeg you open /dev/ceton/ctn91xx_mpeg0_0
[23:27:12] Korny2: But you said when front ends join the cpu spikes too? or is that related to the amount of recordings going on at once?
[23:27:36] Korny2: Like if you watch recordings on the front ends does it spike it as well?
[23:27:51] Narr0wM1nd: I suspect the issue is just pulling in the HD streams
[23:28:02] Narr0wM1nd: as I see 50% without any frontends connected..
[23:28:15] Narr0wM1nd: connecting a frontend and streaming live I get about the same cpu hit
[23:30:48] Korny2: try using vlc to pull an HD stream and see if you have the same issue?
[23:35:08] Narr0wM1nd: ya I can try it
[23:35:53] Narr0wM1nd: might be an issue withthe ceton card. the released drivers wont compile on linux 3.8 , I had to tweak them a bit
[23:36:18] Narr0wM1nd: I doubt many people are running a ceton card on the lastest kernels
[23:37:40] Narr0wM1nd: Huh, ceton just released 3.8 drivers
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[23:46:32] Narr0wM1nd: huh.. well I just built and installed the new ceton modules, mythbackend jumped back to 50% after I brought it backup.
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