MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv-users

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Monday, March 25th, 2013, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:42] gizmobay: I don't see it
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[00:01:30] gizmobay: On Networks
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[00:02:22] wagnerrp: if nothing else on your network besides mythtv uses IP addresses, you can just change those two values in mythtv-setup
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[00:02:55] gizmobay: I changed them but it won't connect
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[00:03:02] wagnerrp: but most people (in here) are going to have network mounts, dns servers or host files, and a bunch of other things that would all need to be reconfigured for the new IP addresses
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[00:03:21] wagnerrp: and it's generally easier to bend the router to your will, than to reconfigure all kinds of stuff to fit the router's needs
[00:03:34] wagnerrp: what did you set those two values to?
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[00:04:04] ** wagnerrp hates consumer routers **
[00:04:06] gizmobay: 192.168.1.11
[00:04:22] wagnerrp: both values?
[00:04:31] wagnerrp: local and master?
[00:04:38] gizmobay: yes
[00:04:47] wagnerrp: you did this by running 'mythtv-setup' on the master backend?
[00:05:11] gizmobay: yes
[00:05:19] wagnerrp: have you restarted mythbackend?
[00:05:50] gizmobay: yes
[00:06:04] wagnerrp: could you pastebin the first couple seconds of your backend logs?
[00:08:08] gizmobay: http://pastebin.com/J7QjEEmw
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[00:08:41] gizmobay: Ah I found the ap address change
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[00:08:57] wagnerrp: seems to be working... "Listening on TCP 192.168.1.11:6543"
[00:09:06] wagnerrp: your frontend still reports it cannot pick up the backend?
[00:09:21] wagnerrp: or does it report that it cannot find the database?
[00:09:39] wagnerrp: oh, scratch that
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[00:10:08] wagnerrp: nevermind, it would have terminated if you had no valid capture cards
[00:10:28] wagnerrp: it's just complaining about that tvwonder, but it's not fatal
[00:10:38] gizmobay: yeah i took it out
[00:11:17] gizmobay: I think I will try changing the IP address
[00:11:42] gizmobay: probably this is messing me up
[00:12:28] gizmobay: now it works
[00:12:36] gizmobay: i don't know
[00:12:53] gizmobay: thanks for the help
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[00:13:04] gizmobay: I'm going to change the ip anyways
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[00:13:42] gizmobay: bye
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[01:07:45] tonsofpcs: really cbs? 45 minutes behind schedule? c'mon, at least update your EIT if not the listing services...
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[14:55:06] Cardoe: Anyone experiencing video lag between shows?
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[14:55:26] Cardoe: Basically right on the hour (and sometimes half hour), there's a few seconds where the video just halts
[14:59:18] SteveGoodey: Have you checked top/logs to see what happens?
[15:00:22] Cardoe: SteveGoodey: Nothing really of note appears in the logs
[15:00:27] Cardoe: It switched shows
[15:00:38] Cardoe: mythbackend pegs the CPU
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[15:02:43] tmkt: Hey Hey..anyone using the XIOS DS w/XBMC as a FE for myth?
[15:02:56] tmkt: or i guess even the MythTV android app?
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[15:40:22] SteveGoodey: Cardoe: Is this livetv or a recording?
[15:42:02] Cardoe: SteveGoodey: livetv
[15:42:29] bill6502: tmkt: No to your 1st question and if you're referring to MythTV Android Frontend, then yes, I use it.
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[15:44:20] ** sphery feels that mythfrontend makes a perfect frontend for MythTV **
[15:44:58] sphery: IMHO, using anything else is equivalent to buying a $1000 gaming video card and then using it for a text-only console
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[15:46:06] sphery: you're not getting what you "pay" for if you use a generic frontend (and, yes, you pay for MythTV--with your time, at least, if you don't consider the fact that hardware for running MythTV is more expensive than subsidized DVR hardware from your cable/sat company
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[15:47:03] sphery: if "any old media player" worked as well as mythfrontend, we wouldn't have created a special player for mythtv...
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[15:49:47] bill6502: sphery: But the Services API was created just for things like MythTV Android Frontend wasn't it?
[15:50:01] bill6502: Or are you commenting on his question about XIOS DS w/XBMC (which I don't use?)
[15:52:12] sphery: well, IMHO, any player that relies on the backend to "let me just transcode that high-resolution, high-definition video to some other format real quick on the fly" is not a good user experience
[15:53:24] sphery: there are issues with skipping and fast forwarding and rewinding and jumping and ..., and you're reliant on a super-powerful backend that can do real-time transcoding
[15:53:29] sphery: and you may or may not be losing quality
[15:53:31] sphery: and ...
[15:54:14] sphery: I think the services api was created primarily to allow yet another way of getting data from mythtv
[15:55:20] sphery: and, yes, you /could/ use it (or it + a bunch of needed patches to complete it) to create a client that could do everything mythfrontend can do, but no one has, yet
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[15:56:01] sphery: (assuming you create a client that operates on the untranscoded/original source, that is--which will likely require use of the backend protocol, too, for mythproto streaming)
[15:56:42] SteveGoodey: Cardoe: Similair to this? http://www.mentby.com/Group/mythtv-users/live . . . ge-over.html
[16:00:23] Cardoe: SteveGoodey: sounds about right
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[16:21:23] bergqvistjl: Does anyone know what file i need to edit to change the categories displayed on the mythweb EPG (the one accessed in the top-right?
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[16:35:29] sphery: bergqvistjl: categories?
[16:35:34] sphery: what page of MythWeb?
[16:35:41] sphery: what's the label on the field?
[16:35:57] sphery: oh, you said epg...
[16:36:13] bergqvistjl: hang on
[16:36:20] sphery: so what "top right"?
[16:36:54] bergqvistjl: on the epg in mythweb, if you hover your mouse over Mythtv in the top left (sorry, i meant top left) you get a category legend
[16:37:04] bergqvistjl: how do i change the categories in that?
[16:37:10] sphery: if you mean the actual category of the actual TV show, that's provided by your listings provider and isn't editable
[16:37:13] bergqvistjl: i mean, actually delete the categories
[16:37:26] bergqvistjl: no, just the categories in the legend.
[16:37:26] sphery: ah, yeah, those are guide-provided categories
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[16:37:30] bergqvistjl: no
[16:37:32] sphery: only way to change them is to change your guide data
[16:37:33] bergqvistjl: no they're not
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[16:37:50] bergqvistjl: for instance, i have a category called "Western", that isn't in the guide data at all
[16:38:18] bergqvistjl: brb
[16:38:56] sphery: grep 'Category Legend'
[16:41:43] tmkt: sphery: if i could get mythtv running on something like the 100$ xios ds
[16:41:44] tmkt: sure
[16:41:50] tmkt: i'd be all over it
[16:42:01] natanojl: bergqvistjl: sphery: Check modules/_shared/lang/ for *.cat
[16:42:04] tmkt: have 1 tv connected to my mythtv box
[16:42:11] tmkt: but 2 others..that i'd like to share that media with
[16:42:18] tmkt: i have a boxee box..but its crap
[16:42:31] tmkt: and this xios with xbmc firmware seems like a nice solution
[16:44:27] bergqvistjl: back
[16:44:36] bergqvistjl: thanks
[16:45:10] bergqvistjl: i presume the rules that group similar category names together are somwhere else? cos i've noticed they apply to the epg within mythtv itself?
[16:45:36] sphery: tmkt: I'm of the opinion that when using a luxury DVR, you shouldn't cut corners. That said, my frontend systems cost me all of $150 (for dual-core 3+GHz CPU + 4GB RAM + nvidia VDPAU-compatible GPU + mobo + HDD + PSU + case)
[16:46:06] tmkt: sphery: how big?
[16:46:34] sphery: 0"x0"x0" :)
[16:46:45] tmkt: i could live with 140$ if it isn't the size of a desktop
[16:46:47] sphery: (I have it in a different room with only the cables going to my TV/speakers)
[16:47:09] sphery: could easily put it in a cabinet or closet or ...
[16:47:11] tmkt: yeah..so this xios with xbmc seems like the solution for me..it interfaces with myth for recordings
[16:47:18] tmkt: sphery: i already have the big box
[16:47:22] tmkt: and only so many closets
[16:47:51] sphery: but I buy big because I don't care to spend money on small and--even more importantly--don't want the heat strain on the device (= fails faster) caused by inability to properly cool small
[16:48:31] sphery: I think wagn errp has quoted some small system specs several times, though, that are in the < $200 range
[16:49:35] tmkt: yeah...still was pretty big
[16:49:59] tmkt: i'd go with an apple tv if it connected to myth..this seems like the next best thing
[16:50:19] sphery: old apple tv was good--the ones that used Core i + nvidia GPU
[16:50:32] sphery: now that they have incapable CPUs and closed GPUs, ...
[16:50:44] sphery: oh, wait, that was mac mini
[16:50:50] sphery: apple tv was always bad
[16:50:53] sphery: (now worse)
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[17:02:12] tmkt: wouldn't mind the apple tv if it ran apps so i could run Torc IOS on it
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[17:21:19] Shadow__X: tmkt: you could technically use torc on an ios device and airplay it to the apple tv but imo a dedicated frontend would be simpler
[17:21:27] Shadow__X: or really more feature rich
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[17:42:17] tmkt: Shadow__X: yeah, thats why i'm leaning torwards the xios
[17:42:30] Shadow__X: xios?
[17:42:32] bergqvistjl: I'm now agonising over what colours to use for my new epg in mythweb lol
[17:42:44] tmkt: pivos xios ds
[17:42:57] tmkt: its a tiny little thing, like the apple tv
[17:43:32] tmkt: that runs Android as is, but also has an official xbmc firmware
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[17:44:05] tmkt: and with xmbc 12, having some interfaces to configure recordings on myth and watch them..it seems like a good solution
[17:44:51] Shadow__X: tmkt: i would refer to sphery's comment earlier. The best way to use mythtv is to use the frontned
[17:45:22] tmkt: yeah....but like i said earlier..building a small myth box like that would cost hundreds of dollars
[17:46:00] tmkt: and I don't need full myth functinality on a secondary/third tv... just the ability to watch recordings/schedule recordings and watch videos
[17:46:14] tmkt: not like the myth fe is that special
[17:46:33] Shadow__X: sphery: how is amd gpu offloading on linux/mythtv at this point?
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[17:58:50] sphery: Shadow__X: basically non-existent
[17:59:44] sphery: VA-API is basically just a rendering solution + a glorified XvMC, and since AMD's XvBA is only available in a VA-API form...
[18:02:24] Shadow__X: it wont be supported?
[18:03:30] sphery: no idea if someone will choose to fix up the current va-api code and support it
[18:03:38] sphery: but, imho, it's not a good solution
[18:04:04] Shadow__X: oh ok so nothing like vdau
[18:04:07] sphery: which is why I get a discrete nvidia card for my frontends
[18:04:21] sphery: not nearly as useful as vdpau
[18:04:37] sphery: it's possible openmax is actually better than vaapi
[18:04:40] Shadow__X: and it seems like intel software is not close either right?
[18:04:45] sphery: (though I haven't looked into that)
[18:05:14] sphery: no clue whether amd will support openmax with their GNU/Linux drivers, either
[18:05:28] sphery: intel is the one pushing va-api
[18:05:42] sphery: so they're equally limited by the api
[18:06:02] Shadow__X: ah hmm so at this point and the forseable future vdpau is the way to go for gpu offloading
[18:06:56] sphery: definitely the way to go at this point (and with current MythTV)
[18:07:12] sphery: and, yeah, likely to stay that way for the foreseeable future
[18:09:12] Shadow__X: at least core i3's power consumption is very low at this point so you can still have a low power system with an nvdia gpu
[18:09:26] sphery: right
[18:10:46] sphery: if only intel would bill them as such--of course, doing so would make people realize what a scam the atom is...
[18:11:16] tgm4883: It would be nice if there was a "recommended" mini platform for a frontend
[18:11:47] Shadow__X: i agree.
[18:12:12] tgm4883: Something I could point people to if they wanted to buy a frontend
[18:12:41] sphery: yeah, the problem is that what's available and what's on sale changes so frequently that it's hard to support
[18:13:21] Shadow__X: a mac mini can regularly idle at around 10 watts but still have a real cpu compared to an atom
[18:13:24] sphery: though I'd definitely support the idea of creating a group of users who try to help specify and update such a recommendation
[18:13:51] tgm4883: I don't think "on sale" needs to be a factor (I mean, we recommend the HDHR regardless of whether it's currently on sale)
[18:13:58] tgm4883: but I see your point on availability
[18:14:11] sphery: yeah, the mac mini is really a laptop platform in a slightly taller, but less wide/deep, package
[18:14:33] Shadow__X: an amd e350 with an nvidia gpu would still be too underpowered for a comfortable experience right?
[18:14:36] sphery: yeah, on sale could be left up to users
[18:14:39] tgm4883: Still, perhaps a better solution is to recommend a particular MB/CPU/graphics card
[18:15:03] sphery: Shadow__X: you'd be better off with the 65W dual-core APUs from AMD + nvidia GPU
[18:15:18] Shadow__X: ah ok
[18:15:43] sphery: and, TTBOMK, when you disable the on-chip GPU in the BIOS, it gates it so it basically uses no power--meaning it would actually run at lower power
[18:15:43] Shadow__X: tgm4883: imo an i3 with a nvidia gpu would still be low power and should be on the cheaper side
[18:15:55] Shadow__X: but costs is hard to keep down compared to intel systems
[18:16:09] Shadow__X: sphery: oh really? I didnt know that
[18:16:15] tgm4883: Shadow__X, I say we put together a newegg wishlist as a recommended solution
[18:16:21] sphery: (not to mention 65W is the TDP, so it actually runs less--but would be less than less because of turning off gpu)
[18:16:23] Shadow__X: i know the newer amds are better at idle power but load is still an issue
[18:16:50] sphery: I haven't actually measured one--I'm just at the point of considering getting one
[18:17:01] Shadow__X: i know idle power consumption for an a10–5800k with the system included tends to be lower than 40watts
[18:17:14] sphery: but I'd expect it to be idling at a very low power usage
[18:17:21] tgm4883: Are we assuming that i3 is minimum and that atom is too low powered?
[18:18:01] sphery: Shadow__X: so, for AMD, one of these would be my recommendation: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;srchInDesc=
[18:18:06] Shadow__X: sphery: I am looking at building a lower power virtualization machine for 24/7 usage and since I have a low budget i have been looking at amds prettu much exclusively
[18:18:55] sphery: specifically one of the 3+ GHz ones
[18:19:44] sphery: (and I wouldn't spend the money on a quad-core A10 or A8 for mythtv--but if you're doing something else with it, you could)
[18:19:53] Shadow__X: i would go with fm2 for apus as they are newer,faster and have slightly better power consumption
[18:20:04] Shadow__X: i agree
[18:20:07] sphery: so, basically, not a Llano
[18:20:21] Shadow__X: no stick with trinity
[18:20:32] Shadow__X: even the quad can idle at around 40 watts
[18:20:38] Shadow__X: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2012/10 . . . a10-review/8
[18:20:41] sphery: but trinity or later is fine (and, of course, the old Regors are fine--but they're the non-APUs)
[18:20:50] sphery: yeah
[18:21:06] sphery: amd has some nice gating tech--and actually gates off cores dynamically
[18:21:13] Shadow__X: what i like about the amds too is that you can get a decent board for pretty cheap too
[18:21:21] sphery: right
[18:21:26] sphery: I'm all AMD
[18:21:47] sphery: and then just throw an nvidia card in for mythfrontend systems (but use the amd for my other ones)
[18:22:02] Shadow__X: load power consumption the core i3's etc beat amd though
[18:22:15] sphery: anyway, I hadn't considered an APU until trinity came out--now it's worthwhile
[18:22:30] Shadow__X: but if the cpu will be idling anyway and are on a tight budget amd is competitive enough
[18:22:42] sphery: yep
[18:22:58] Shadow__X: sphery: newegg was even running a decent a10 bundle with a apu mb + 8gb of ram with a headset for 200
[18:23:22] sphery: yeah, they do those type of bundles a lot with their shell shockers
[18:24:09] sphery: or the amd system ones--though I haven't bought any, yet (and would only do so if I got an 80 plus psu)
[18:24:16] Shadow__X: frys has the amd a4–3400 for 30 bucks http://www.frys.com/product/6787385#specs
[18:24:35] sphery: that one's a llano
[18:24:43] Shadow__X: oh is it
[18:24:43] sphery: but wouldn't be /too/ bad--it's 2.7ghz
[18:24:57] Shadow__X: ah yeah misread the socket
[18:25:13] sphery: only off by 1 :)
[18:25:36] Shadow__X: microcenter has decently aggressive bundles month to month
[18:25:39] Shadow__X: http://microcenter.com/site/products/amd_bundles.aspx
[18:25:43] sphery: anyway, it would be much better than an e350 or whatever
[18:26:19] Shadow__X: getting a select amd with a mb saves you 40 bucks off the bat and the cpu's are priced cheaper than newegg to start with
[18:26:30] sphery: nice
[18:26:30] Shadow__X: also microcenter prices intel cpus well too
[18:26:41] Shadow__X: you can get a intel i5–3470 for 150
[18:27:19] sphery: now you have me wondering about the future for the E series line...
[18:27:34] sphery: brazos -> zacate... now?
[18:28:24] Shadow__X: oh also you save 40 bucks when buying an i5–3570k (intel why did you limit vt-d) or i3–3225 (no vt-d either) and a motherboard
[18:28:29] sphery: ah, wait, brazos is platform name... zacate actually the follow-on codename to ontario
[18:28:40] Shadow__X: ah
[18:28:46] sphery: and deccan (follow-on platform to brazos) is cancelled
[18:29:22] sphery: they still list a kabini code name processor at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Fusion#Low_P . . . k_.2F_Tablet
[18:30:22] Shadow__X: so then we dont know what platform kabini will be on
[18:30:32] sphery: and it will use Jaguar--where the PS4 is using an octo-jaguar
[18:30:38] Shadow__X: or just the updated zacate
[18:30:47] sphery: yeah, seems there's no info
[18:32:02] Shadow__X: too bad amd didnt have these available when netbooks were selling
[18:32:28] sphery: yeah, kind of missed that boat
[18:32:38] sphery: but, on the bright side, netbooks are no longer selling
[18:32:45] Shadow__X: yes
[18:32:48] sphery: (well, bright for the industry/consumer--not so much for amd :)
[18:33:57] sphery: so looks like kabini might be interesting (though it's only supposed to 2–4 cores, vs ps4's 8)
[18:34:33] sphery: but I'm guessing it will still be too slow to be a good replacement for regor or a-series/trinity
[18:34:56] Shadow__X: thats what i was thinking as well
[18:35:05] Shadow__X: althought it would be nice with the lower power consumption
[18:35:14] sphery: yeah
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[18:38:13] sphery: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/display/2 . . . Quarter.html says jaguar allows boosting clock speed by 10% without increasing power usage... I'm guessing it will still clock in at <2GHz
[18:39:28] sphery: and even if the cpu is 15% better IPC compared to brazos, it's probably much less than trinity
[18:40:22] Steve-Goodey: I had it in the back of my mind that AMDs ran hotter than Intel, is that not the case now?
[18:40:43] sphery: hmm, and seems Richland is the successor to trinity, and was just launched
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[18:42:22] sphery: I think current Intel consumer chips are probably more power efficient than AMD's, but for me it's not enough to warrant paying for the name (especially if the machine is going to idle a lot)
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[19:00:48] Shadow__X: sphery: looks pretty good and did not know richland was released
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[19:02:12] Shadow__X: btw popcap is offering peggle for free
[19:02:15] Shadow__X: http://www.popcap.com/promos/pax-east-2013
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[19:14:20] SteveGoodey: Oh bum, no linux version!
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[19:30:30] Shadow__X: SteveGoodey: maybe wine works
[19:30:43] Shadow__X: or maybe it works within wine
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[19:50:33] bergqvistjl: How do I add a new language for Mythweb? I've created new .lang and .cat files, and run build_transatation.pl, but the new language isn't appearing in the language dropdown in mythweb. Any ideas?
[19:52:59] kormoc: bergqvistjl, add it to classes/Translate.php
[19:53:04] bergqvistjl: got it
[19:53:05] bergqvistjl: cheers
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[19:54:56] ** kormoc tips his hat **
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[20:01:05] bergqvistjl: also, i'm modifying the category list to be more appropriate to the genres that the radio times xmltv feed gives me, and one of the categories is: "Leisure/Hobbies" and i'm having trouble adding that to the category list because of the forward-slash, is there a way to put that in?
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[20:01:53] bergqvistjl: I've tried "Leisure&#48;Hobbies" as an option but it won't pick it up, although I get no errors
[20:02:01] bergqvistjl: if i put the forward slash in normally, i get errors
[20:02:12] kormoc: &#47; is the right one, no?
[20:02:41] kormoc: or you can try \/
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[20:03:17] bergqvistjl: neither of those work :(
[20:03:31] bergqvistjl: although the \/ does't give me any errors
[20:03:39] bergqvistjl: it still isn't putting it in the right category though
[20:05:39] bergqvistjl: Dunno what else to try
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[20:06:40] bergqvistjl: ah, i've got it.
[20:07:07] bergqvistjl: despite the fact that the genre from the radio times was one of the few to use Upper Case, the .cat file wanted it in lower-case still
[20:07:13] bergqvistjl: \/ worked
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[20:08:11] sphery: bergqvistjl / kormoc : does it make sense to just modify the en_GB translation for UK RadioTimes rather than create a new translation for it?
[20:08:24] bergqvistjl: i'd prefer to keep the original as well just in-case
[20:08:53] bergqvistjl: i've also modified the category colours too, so i've created a new programming.css file for that.
[20:08:58] kormoc: sphery, I would think so, yes.
[20:10:59] bergqvistjl: tbh the radio times genres are very inconsistent. Wish they'd clean it up a bit at their end.
[20:14:45] bergqvistjl: for example, there are a heck of a lot of programs that the radio times has put under the "Lifestyle" genre, which mythweb doesn't have by default
[20:15:03] bergqvistjl: Also, mythweb puts "Entertainment" under Comedy, which isn't always the case.
[20:16:23] bergqvistjl: also the Radio times puts a lot of programs as "Reality" even when they're not.
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[20:17:45] bergqvistjl: tbh all i've done is colours wise is just create a seperate category for entertainment, and one for animation, and one for "lifestyle & interests" which i've given a more pleasing purple colour
[20:17:47] sphery: as if any reality program is actually reality....  ;)
[20:18:01] bergqvistjl: as opposed to the grey before, as it came under education.
[20:18:24] bergqvistjl: Education is now the yellow that HowTo was, and i've split up science and nature, with science getting the grey colour which used to belong to education
[20:18:28] bergqvistjl: simple :P
[20:18:55] bergqvistjl: also, i've made Food have a lighter green, as it looked too similar to Nature IMO
[20:20:06] bergqvistjl: I thought of making some script that would run after mythfilldatabase to clean up the genres in the program table
[20:20:10] bergqvistjl: but that would be too much hassle
[20:21:00] sphery: you'd be better off cleaning up the genres in the listings before mythfilldatabase
[20:21:10] sphery: if you were to go the "clean up listings" route
[20:22:12] sphery: but it seems that your category translation changes would be applicable for any uk rt user, so why not just change en_gb?
[20:22:40] sphery: unless you're planning on just keeping a personal copy for yourself and not submitting it
[20:22:41] bergqvistjl: not everyone uses xmltv, my changes could completely mess it up for EIT users
[20:22:46] bergqvistjl: I might submit it.
[20:22:59] bergqvistjl: but yeah, only as an optional one, incase it breaks no radio-times users.
[20:23:06] sphery: (I'm pretty sure we won't accept any "made up" translations, so we'll need just one for en_gb)
[20:23:30] bergqvistjl: Also, mythweb includes a bunch of superflouous genres like "War" "Western" which will never appear in xmltv (the genre given for all films is just: film)
[20:24:07] bergqvistjl: Also, i've heavily pruned my channel list actually, so i'm not sure it would work as a drop-in replacement.
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[20:25:37] sphery: well, you could always just contact the en_gb translation contacts ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Translation ) and come up with a good RT/EIT list of categories and get things updated for current...
[20:26:19] sphery: I'm sure that they could get you both RT and EIT category lists--or, if they didn't have the time--you all could ask the community to assemble them
[20:26:30] bergqvistjl: I'm pretty sure it's add-hoc
[20:26:40] bergqvistjl: as regards the genres
[20:26:50] bergqvistjl: EIT certainly is
[20:27:05] bergqvistjl: EIT program data is extremely... inconsistent compared to Radio Times data
[20:27:57] bergqvistjl: i'll email the radio times though and ask how they do their genres for XMLTV
[20:28:04] bergqvistjl: and if there's a definitive list
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[20:30:18] bergqvistjl: I think it could be partly due to the way xmltv pulls in data too
[20:33:13] bergqvistjl: so yeah, it'd be a big project, and it all depends on how genres are pulled in by XMLTV etc.
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[20:45:26] sphery: kormoc: shouldn't commit message on 76a239fe3 be, "I care!" ( http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10887#comment:1 )
[20:45:35] kormoc: Heh :)
[20:45:48] kormoc: don't want to be too snarky, it has been *ages*
[20:46:05] sphery: yeah, I've been bad for about a year, now, too
[20:46:18] sphery: does the fixes #<whatever> not work with mythweb repo?
[20:46:35] sphery: it does with mythtv repo, now... I can't remember if it does for mythweb, though
[20:46:42] kormoc: I cherry-picked, so it preserved the original commit message
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[20:46:48] kormoc: I guess I could have edited it...
[20:47:09] sphery: ah, just wondered
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[20:47:48] sphery: I was thinking we might not have told you that it got fixed or something (since it wasn't working for a while after the translation)
[20:47:58] sphery: er, transition
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