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Tuesday, March 19th, 2013, 00:00 UTC
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[00:03:21] skd5aner: xbmc, 38,135 people like this, 827 talking about this
[00:03:47] skd5aner: mythtv, 862 like this, 15 talking about this
[00:03:54] skd5aner: hrmmmm
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[00:05:27] skd5aner: lol, "Leo Church" likes it – his title is "Trend Setter at Hot Damn, That's a Cold Ass Honky"
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[00:45:33] wagnerrp: never heard of him
[00:46:00] ** wagnerrp is somewhat happy mythtv's userbase isn't a bunch of facebook sheep **
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[01:38:04] Lexridge: Hi guys. I have a question. I am trying to see the video bitrate of an off air station through mythfrontend. Is this possible? I can do it with XBMC, but I believe it is falsely reporting 24mb/s for 12.1 and 12.2.
[01:40:09] Lexridge: 19.3mb/s is the limit. So I am curious how they are doing two stations at 24mb each.
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[01:48:42] wagnerrp: they aren't
[01:48:54] wagnerrp: the encoders those stations are using are arbitrarily reporting 24mbps
[01:49:05] wagnerrp: that doesn't mean they're actually using that much
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[01:49:33] Lexridge: Well multiplexers would even function at anything above 19.3/mb if in ATSC mode.
[01:49:40] Lexridge: wound NOT even function, I meant
[01:49:55] wagnerrp: my local broadcasters do the same thing
[01:49:59] Lexridge: At least ours dont
[01:50:16] Lexridge: oh really? You off air stations are reporting 24mb too?
[01:50:28] wagnerrp: on air ones, yes
[01:50:49] Lexridge: Mine are report 14.6mb for cbs and 3.2mb for AccuWx, which is accurate.
[01:51:22] Lexridge: but we are using Adtec encoders/muxers
[01:52:23] Lexridge: I was wondering if they are using h264 encoders now, since they are doing both 1080 and 720 through one transmitter
[01:52:32] wagnerrp: nope
[01:52:37] Lexridge: and both look REALLY good!
[01:52:40] wagnerrp: h264 is only supported under ATSC-M/H
[01:54:10] Lexridge: yes, but it is fully backwards compatable with A/53
[01:54:28] wagnerrp: in any case, they're just reporting an arbitrary maximum bitrate
[01:54:39] wagnerrp: it has no relevance on anything, however incorrect it might be
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[01:55:04] Lexridge: Okay, apparently so, since anything over 19.3 would land them a huge fine by the FCC lol
[01:55:15] wagnerrp: why?
[01:55:18] sheppard: lol what
[01:55:37] Lexridge: Because they would be getting way out of their bandwidth spectrum.
[01:55:50] wagnerrp: as long as they don't overstep their spectrum limits, the FCC really doesn't care what they do
[01:58:03] wagnerrp: of course it wouldn't be of much use, considering no one would be able to receive what they're broadcasting
[01:58:33] Lexridge: Well, yes. True.
[01:59:00] Lexridge: but back to my original question, is there a way for mythfrontend to show the bitrates of the incoming signal?
[01:59:17] wagnerrp: hitting 'info' might do it
[01:59:49] wagnerrp: i honestly don't know
[01:59:59] wagnerrp: i don't think anyone has ever really been too concerned about it
[02:00:38] Lexridge: I guess I could actually record their signal, then analyze the recording.
[02:00:39] wagnerrp: you record whatever you record, and you can't change that, so there's no sense worrying about it
[02:01:49] Lexridge: Actually, the entire reason I am curious, we have been wanting to make our secondary 10.2 CW station HD as well, but in all tests we have done, both stations ended up looking like shit.
[02:02:51] wagnerrp: buy better encoders
[02:03:13] wagnerrp: that's all it comes down to
[02:03:16] Lexridge: that is what I was thinking too.
[02:03:27] Lexridge: they are very $$$$$$$
[02:03:42] wagnerrp: our local FOX affiliate looks wonderful at ~10Mbps
[02:03:49] Lexridge: about $36000 per channel, give or take.
[02:04:06] wagnerrp: i've seen them as low as 8mbps with good quality
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[02:05:03] wagnerrp: it's all in the intraframe coding
[02:05:17] Lexridge: CBS doesnt look bad downconverted to 720 at 8mb/s on regular programming, but looks like crap on sports.
[02:05:30] wagnerrp: better encoders have better motion searches, and result in better compression
[02:05:48] Lexridge: yea, very true.
[02:06:19] wagnerrp: that's the folly of wavelet encoding
[02:06:23] Lexridge: plus, the Adtec encoders we have dont look good doing SD at all.
[02:06:33] Lexridge: at ANY bitrate
[02:06:50] wagnerrp: it looks like it should do great on interframe coding
[02:07:02] wagnerrp: but the consequence is that efficient intra-coding is very difficult
[02:07:08] wagnerrp: so the advantages are a wash
[02:08:09] Lexridge: Oh, you are looking at the adtec encoder now?
[02:08:15] wagnerrp: no
[02:08:56] Lexridge: Our have been deprecated with a newer version by now. Ours are 4 years old already.
[02:09:07] wagnerrp: i'm commenting on encoder behavior
[02:09:09] Lexridge: and technology has outgrown them by leaps and bounds
[02:09:56] wagnerrp: there haven't really been any breakthroughs in encoding technology in recent history
[02:10:13] wagnerrp: even h264 and h265 are only evolutionary advances on h262 (mpeg2)
[02:10:15] Lexridge: no, but CPUs are way faster now.
[02:10:36] wagnerrp: right. it's just that we have more power than we did 20 years ago, to do better intra-coding
[02:11:37] Lexridge: right. These encoders are linux based, which is nice, but I think they are only single core CPUs. New ones are either quad or octocore
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[02:12:25] wagnerrp: they're not ASICs?
[02:13:08] Lexridge: oh, I am sure they are.
[02:13:23] wagnerrp: then single core versus octo makes zero difference
[02:13:39] wagnerrp: because the CPU isn't doing anything. the ASIC is
[02:14:25] Lexridge: okay
[02:14:45] wagnerrp: application specific integrated circuit... hardware encoder...
[02:14:58] wagnerrp: as opposed to a software encoder running on a general purpose CPU
[02:15:39] Lexridge: right, I know what it is. they are definitely hardware encoders, but they would still have a core cpu speed, would they not?
[02:16:08] wagnerrp: and the CPU would only be there to manage IO and memory
[02:16:15] wagnerrp: basically, it exists to keep the ASIC fed with data
[02:16:25] Lexridge: I see.
[02:17:17] Lexridge: to change the subject, when are we going to have a myth frontend for Android that actually works?
[02:17:18] wagnerrp: like an ARM with an FPGA, or a PC running GPGPU software
[02:17:34] Lexridge: right, I understand
[02:17:35] wagnerrp: the FPGA or GPU isn't capable of running a system on it's own. it needs a host
[02:17:58] wagnerrp: mythtv cannot be ported to android
[02:18:08] wagnerrp: so it's up to one of the 3rd party developers to make it work
[02:18:35] Lexridge: Well, I yes. I know that. Android is to Java based. It would have to be designed fresh from the ground up.
[02:18:46] wagnerrp: well you can run compiled C code on it
[02:19:00] Lexridge: So far however, XBMC with the tuner backend works pretty well on my androld tablets
[02:19:00] wagnerrp: it's just more that it's Linux, but not GNU Linux
[02:19:15] wagnerrp: the environment is just too different
[02:19:31] Lexridge: Right, I have been building custom roms for my tablet for a while now.
[02:20:24] Lexridge: It is amazing what a cheap dual core Chinese tablet can do with a decent ROM.
[02:20:31] Lexridge: and kernel, that is
[02:20:43] Lexridge: those SoCs are getting pretty amazing
[02:21:38] Lexridge: alright man, thanks a lot for all the info. Gotta run. Just got company.
[02:21:46] wagnerrp: they're still a good 8 years or so behind PCs
[02:22:16] Lexridge: but catching up fast too. Cya next time, wagnerrp.
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[02:22:22] wagnerrp: later
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[14:41:45] bergqvistjl: iplayer radio programs load fine, just not television programs.
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[19:25:09] Jordack: i have decided i will start playing this during meetings where certian people like to drift. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnP5iDKwuwk
[19:25:15] Jordack: wrong channel
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[20:25:58] Bray90820: so apparently i have no guide data and i don't know why ether because in guide data arguments i have "--dd-grab-all"
[20:27:46] tgm4883: Bray90820, probably look at your mythfilldatabase.log file
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[20:35:02] Bray90820: Here are my logs
[20:35:10] Bray90820: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=rtxzQVP2
[20:36:18] tgm4883: Connection to master server timed out.#012#011#011#011Either the server is down or the master server settings#012#011#011#011in mythtv-settings does not contain the proper IP address
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[20:40:54] Bray90820: so does that mean that i have the wrong ip address in my backend
[20:41:21] tgm4883: 0_0
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[20:41:47] Bray90820: sorry if i am a but confused
[20:41:53] tgm4883: Bray90820, IDK, do you
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[20:43:47] Bray90820: tgm4883 unless it's suppose to be the loopback address i have the correct one
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[20:44:51] Bray90820: tgm4883 what should i do to fix it
[20:45:32] tgm4883: Bray90820, probably hit the mailing list and see if someone is willing to support you
[20:45:54] Bray90820: what's the mailing list
[20:46:15] tgm4883: Bray90820, http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users/
[20:48:28] Bray90820: Prob a really dumb question but should the channel frequency be us-cable if i have a cable card
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[22:00:42] wagnerrp: Bray90820: the channel frequency shouldn't be anything
[22:01:03] wagnerrp: the cablecard tuner has its own internal frequency tables
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[22:02:16] Bray90820: under channel frequency table
[22:02:25] Bray90820: what should it say
[22:03:11] Bray90820: wagnerrp it has to say something
[22:04:07] tgm4883: Bray90820, it can say anything, because it doesn't matter
[22:04:15] Bray90820: ok
[22:04:18] tgm4883: the cablecard tuner doesn't use that
[22:04:22] tgm4883: (is my understanding)
[22:04:59] Bray90820: wagnerrp do you know why i am eventho "--dd-grab-all" is in guide data arguments the guide data still expired
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[22:37:50] wagnerrp: someone else was reporting that a few days ago
[22:38:17] wagnerrp: it was pulling two week old data foor some reason
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[22:50:30] wagnerrp: sphery: maaybe you want to do something about this? http://www.mythtvtalk.com/rec-start-system-ev . . . ually-16168/
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[22:57:49] wagnerrp: maybe just put in a short retry loop when run as a system event
[22:58:10] wagnerrp: if the recording doesnt exist, try again in a couple seconds
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[23:07:28] wagnerrp: Captain_Murdoch: alternatively, maybe the Recording Start event should be delayed until there is actually a file to access
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[23:27:49] phix: Hey gang!
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