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[00:03:21] | skd5aner: | xbmc, 38,135 people like this, 827 talking about this |
[00:03:47] | skd5aner: | mythtv, 862 like this, 15 talking about this |
[00:03:54] | skd5aner: | hrmmmm |
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[00:05:27] | skd5aner: | lol, "Leo Church" likes it – his title is "Trend Setter at Hot Damn, That's a Cold Ass Honky" |
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[00:45:33] | wagnerrp: | never heard of him |
[00:46:00] | ** wagnerrp is somewhat happy mythtv's userbase isn't a bunch of facebook sheep ** | |
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[01:38:04] | Lexridge: | Hi guys. I have a question. I am trying to see the video bitrate of an off air station through mythfrontend. Is this possible? I can do it with XBMC, but I believe it is falsely reporting 24mb/s for 12.1 and 12.2. |
[01:40:09] | Lexridge: | 19.3mb/s is the limit. So I am curious how they are doing two stations at 24mb each. |
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[01:48:42] | wagnerrp: | they aren't |
[01:48:54] | wagnerrp: | the encoders those stations are using are arbitrarily reporting 24mbps |
[01:49:05] | wagnerrp: | that doesn't mean they're actually using that much |
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[01:49:33] | Lexridge: | Well multiplexers would even function at anything above 19.3/mb if in ATSC mode. |
[01:49:40] | Lexridge: | wound NOT even function, I meant |
[01:49:55] | wagnerrp: | my local broadcasters do the same thing |
[01:49:59] | Lexridge: | At least ours dont |
[01:50:16] | Lexridge: | oh really? You off air stations are reporting 24mb too? |
[01:50:28] | wagnerrp: | on air ones, yes |
[01:50:49] | Lexridge: | Mine are report 14.6mb for cbs and 3.2mb for AccuWx, which is accurate. |
[01:51:22] | Lexridge: | but we are using Adtec encoders/muxers |
[01:52:23] | Lexridge: | I was wondering if they are using h264 encoders now, since they are doing both 1080 and 720 through one transmitter |
[01:52:32] | wagnerrp: | nope |
[01:52:37] | Lexridge: | and both look REALLY good! |
[01:52:40] | wagnerrp: | h264 is only supported under ATSC-M/H |
[01:54:10] | Lexridge: | yes, but it is fully backwards compatable with A/53 |
[01:54:28] | wagnerrp: | in any case, they're just reporting an arbitrary maximum bitrate |
[01:54:39] | wagnerrp: | it has no relevance on anything, however incorrect it might be |
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[01:55:04] | Lexridge: | Okay, apparently so, since anything over 19.3 would land them a huge fine by the FCC lol |
[01:55:15] | wagnerrp: | why? |
[01:55:18] | sheppard: | lol what |
[01:55:37] | Lexridge: | Because they would be getting way out of their bandwidth spectrum. |
[01:55:50] | wagnerrp: | as long as they don't overstep their spectrum limits, the FCC really doesn't care what they do |
[01:58:03] | wagnerrp: | of course it wouldn't be of much use, considering no one would be able to receive what they're broadcasting |
[01:58:33] | Lexridge: | Well, yes. True. |
[01:59:00] | Lexridge: | but back to my original question, is there a way for mythfrontend to show the bitrates of the incoming signal? |
[01:59:17] | wagnerrp: | hitting 'info' might do it |
[01:59:49] | wagnerrp: | i honestly don't know |
[01:59:59] | wagnerrp: | i don't think anyone has ever really been too concerned about it |
[02:00:38] | Lexridge: | I guess I could actually record their signal, then analyze the recording. |
[02:00:39] | wagnerrp: | you record whatever you record, and you can't change that, so there's no sense worrying about it |
[02:01:49] | Lexridge: | Actually, the entire reason I am curious, we have been wanting to make our secondary 10.2 CW station HD as well, but in all tests we have done, both stations ended up looking like shit. |
[02:02:51] | wagnerrp: | buy better encoders |
[02:03:13] | wagnerrp: | that's all it comes down to |
[02:03:16] | Lexridge: | that is what I was thinking too. |
[02:03:27] | Lexridge: | they are very $$$$$$$ |
[02:03:42] | wagnerrp: | our local FOX affiliate looks wonderful at ~10Mbps |
[02:03:49] | Lexridge: | about $36000 per channel, give or take. |
[02:04:06] | wagnerrp: | i've seen them as low as 8mbps with good quality |
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[02:05:03] | wagnerrp: | it's all in the intraframe coding |
[02:05:17] | Lexridge: | CBS doesnt look bad downconverted to 720 at 8mb/s on regular programming, but looks like crap on sports. |
[02:05:30] | wagnerrp: | better encoders have better motion searches, and result in better compression |
[02:05:48] | Lexridge: | yea, very true. |
[02:06:19] | wagnerrp: | that's the folly of wavelet encoding |
[02:06:23] | Lexridge: | plus, the Adtec encoders we have dont look good doing SD at all. |
[02:06:33] | Lexridge: | at ANY bitrate |
[02:06:50] | wagnerrp: | it looks like it should do great on interframe coding |
[02:07:02] | wagnerrp: | but the consequence is that efficient intra-coding is very difficult |
[02:07:08] | wagnerrp: | so the advantages are a wash |
[02:08:09] | Lexridge: | Oh, you are looking at the adtec encoder now? |
[02:08:15] | wagnerrp: | no |
[02:08:56] | Lexridge: | Our have been deprecated with a newer version by now. Ours are 4 years old already. |
[02:09:07] | wagnerrp: | i'm commenting on encoder behavior |
[02:09:09] | Lexridge: | and technology has outgrown them by leaps and bounds |
[02:09:56] | wagnerrp: | there haven't really been any breakthroughs in encoding technology in recent history |
[02:10:13] | wagnerrp: | even h264 and h265 are only evolutionary advances on h262 (mpeg2) |
[02:10:15] | Lexridge: | no, but CPUs are way faster now. |
[02:10:36] | wagnerrp: | right. it's just that we have more power than we did 20 years ago, to do better intra-coding |
[02:11:37] | Lexridge: | right. These encoders are linux based, which is nice, but I think they are only single core CPUs. New ones are either quad or octocore |
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[02:12:25] | wagnerrp: | they're not ASICs? |
[02:13:08] | Lexridge: | oh, I am sure they are. |
[02:13:23] | wagnerrp: | then single core versus octo makes zero difference |
[02:13:39] | wagnerrp: | because the CPU isn't doing anything. the ASIC is |
[02:14:25] | Lexridge: | okay |
[02:14:45] | wagnerrp: | application specific integrated circuit... hardware encoder... |
[02:14:58] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to a software encoder running on a general purpose CPU |
[02:15:39] | Lexridge: | right, I know what it is. they are definitely hardware encoders, but they would still have a core cpu speed, would they not? |
[02:16:08] | wagnerrp: | and the CPU would only be there to manage IO and memory |
[02:16:15] | wagnerrp: | basically, it exists to keep the ASIC fed with data |
[02:16:25] | Lexridge: | I see. |
[02:17:17] | Lexridge: | to change the subject, when are we going to have a myth frontend for Android that actually works? |
[02:17:18] | wagnerrp: | like an ARM with an FPGA, or a PC running GPGPU software |
[02:17:34] | Lexridge: | right, I understand |
[02:17:35] | wagnerrp: | the FPGA or GPU isn't capable of running a system on it's own. it needs a host |
[02:17:58] | wagnerrp: | mythtv cannot be ported to android |
[02:18:08] | wagnerrp: | so it's up to one of the 3rd party developers to make it work |
[02:18:35] | Lexridge: | Well, I yes. I know that. Android is to Java based. It would have to be designed fresh from the ground up. |
[02:18:46] | wagnerrp: | well you can run compiled C code on it |
[02:19:00] | Lexridge: | So far however, XBMC with the tuner backend works pretty well on my androld tablets |
[02:19:00] | wagnerrp: | it's just more that it's Linux, but not GNU Linux |
[02:19:15] | wagnerrp: | the environment is just too different |
[02:19:31] | Lexridge: | Right, I have been building custom roms for my tablet for a while now. |
[02:20:24] | Lexridge: | It is amazing what a cheap dual core Chinese tablet can do with a decent ROM. |
[02:20:31] | Lexridge: | and kernel, that is |
[02:20:43] | Lexridge: | those SoCs are getting pretty amazing |
[02:21:38] | Lexridge: | alright man, thanks a lot for all the info. Gotta run. Just got company. |
[02:21:46] | wagnerrp: | they're still a good 8 years or so behind PCs |
[02:22:16] | Lexridge: | but catching up fast too. Cya next time, wagnerrp. |
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[02:22:22] | wagnerrp: | later |
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[14:41:23] | bergqvistjl: | Does anyone here have a problem with MythNetVision? I get a completley white screen when trying to view iplayer videos on it. |
[14:41:45] | bergqvistjl: | iplayer radio programs load fine, just not television programs. |
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[19:25:09] | Jordack: | i have decided i will start playing this during meetings where certian people like to drift. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnP5iDKwuwk |
[19:25:15] | Jordack: | wrong channel |
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[20:25:58] | Bray90820: | so apparently i have no guide data and i don't know why ether because in guide data arguments i have "--dd-grab-all" |
[20:27:46] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, probably look at your mythfilldatabase.log file |
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[20:35:02] | Bray90820: | Here are my logs |
[20:35:10] | Bray90820: | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=rtxzQVP2 |
[20:36:18] | tgm4883: | Connection to master server timed out.#012#011#011#011Either the server is down or the master server settings#012#011#011#011in mythtv-settings does not contain the proper IP address |
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[20:40:54] | Bray90820: | so does that mean that i have the wrong ip address in my backend |
[20:41:21] | tgm4883: | 0_0 |
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[20:41:47] | Bray90820: | sorry if i am a but confused |
[20:41:53] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, IDK, do you |
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[20:43:47] | Bray90820: | tgm4883 unless it's suppose to be the loopback address i have the correct one |
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[20:44:51] | Bray90820: | tgm4883 what should i do to fix it |
[20:45:32] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, probably hit the mailing list and see if someone is willing to support you |
[20:45:54] | Bray90820: | what's the mailing list |
[20:46:15] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users/ |
[20:48:28] | Bray90820: | Prob a really dumb question but should the channel frequency be us-cable if i have a cable card |
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[22:00:42] | wagnerrp: | Bray90820: the channel frequency shouldn't be anything |
[22:01:03] | wagnerrp: | the cablecard tuner has its own internal frequency tables |
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[22:02:16] | Bray90820: | under channel frequency table |
[22:02:25] | Bray90820: | what should it say |
[22:03:11] | Bray90820: | wagnerrp it has to say something |
[22:04:07] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, it can say anything, because it doesn't matter |
[22:04:15] | Bray90820: | ok |
[22:04:18] | tgm4883: | the cablecard tuner doesn't use that |
[22:04:22] | tgm4883: | (is my understanding) |
[22:04:59] | Bray90820: | wagnerrp do you know why i am eventho "--dd-grab-all" is in guide data arguments the guide data still expired |
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[22:37:50] | wagnerrp: | someone else was reporting that a few days ago |
[22:38:17] | wagnerrp: | it was pulling two week old data foor some reason |
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[22:50:30] | wagnerrp: | sphery: maaybe you want to do something about this? http://www.mythtvtalk.com/rec-start-system-ev . . . ually-16168/ |
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[22:57:49] | wagnerrp: | maybe just put in a short retry loop when run as a system event |
[22:58:10] | wagnerrp: | if the recording doesnt exist, try again in a couple seconds |
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[23:07:28] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: alternatively, maybe the Recording Start event should be delayed until there is actually a file to access |
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[23:27:49] | phix: | Hey gang! |
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