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| [01:26:30] | jabain: | neufeld: I copied your script to my server and put it in debug mode 2. I am trying to run it on mythtv version 0.26. Where can the logs be found? |
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| [01:37:10] | neufeld: | jabain: the output goes on stdout, so appears in the mythbackend logs. |
| [01:37:59] | wagnerrp: | that doesn't sound correct... |
| [01:40:28] | neufeld: | wagnerrp: really? It certainly used to appear there, in 0.24, and I'm pretty sure that's where I looked for them in 0.25. |
| [01:40:50] | wagnerrp: | if the script is being run by mythtv, stdout is redirected to /dev/null |
| [01:41:04] | neufeld: | wagnerrp: it's a user-job |
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| [01:42:27] | neufeld: | does the backend suppress output now? |
| [01:43:02] | wagnerrp: | yes, so the output does not interfere with intentional logging |
| [01:43:14] | neufeld: | jabain: if it turns out that it does, then run the script from the command line. Run as the same user as the mythtv backend, and don't turn on the job-control feature with the lockfile, because you won't have a job ID when run from the command line. |
| [01:43:18] | neufeld: | wagnerrp: OK, thanks |
| [01:44:39] | neufeld: | jabain: so, new plan. Run from the command line. Don't call the set_lock_file() function. Arguments are <script> <chanid> <starttimeiso> |
| [01:45:24] | neufeld: | jabain: in debug=2 level it will run very quickly, just echoing what it would have done. DB access is read-only. |
| [01:46:00] | neufeld: | jabain: if it looks reasonable, change to debug=1 level. It will still have the DB in read-only mode, but it will generate the transcoded file(s), and so could take a long time. |
| [01:47:58] | neufeld: | jabain: in debug=1 level it will also echo the DB manipulation commands that would be used if we were doing it for real. If they look sane, then set to debug=0. If something has badly changed in the DB schema so that those DB commands are no longer correct, it shouldn't cause DB damage because everything is commited in atomic transactions, they either all succeed, or all fail. No messed up intermediate states are |
| [01:47:59] | neufeld: | allowed. |
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| [01:51:59] | ** neufeld has to change the wiki entry for the script now that output no longer logs ** | |
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| [02:29:31] | neufeld: | jabain: I'm going AFK now. I'll check in later tonight or tomorrow. |
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| [03:46:02] | unforgiven512: | How long does it typically take to run mythfilldatabase initially? |
| [03:46:08] | unforgiven512: | I'm running myth-backend in a Xen instance with 4 cores and 8GB of RAM, mysqld in another Xen instance on the same machine with 2 cores and 1GB RAM |
| [03:46:25] | [R]: | it depends on your lineup, your grabber, etc |
| [03:46:29] | ** [R] ponders where wagnerrp is ** | |
| [03:46:57] | unforgiven512: | My commandline is `mythfilldatabase --refresh 14 --file --sourceid 1 --xmlfile ./xmltv.xml` |
| [03:47:33] | unforgiven512: | lineup is ~500 channels |
| [03:47:42] | [R]: | probably a long time |
| [03:47:51] | unforgiven512: | It's been running for an hour already |
| [03:48:07] | unforgiven512: | Last output on console is: 2013-03–06 16:58:05.155231 I IconData: Updating icons for sourceid: 1 |
| [03:48:48] | [R]: | yeah, if wagnerrp he'd yell at you for using xen |
| [03:48:52] | tgm4883: | unforgiven512, what version of mythtv? |
| [03:49:02] | unforgiven512: | 0.26 (from ArchLinux repos) |
| [03:49:09] | [R]: | ah, arch, figures |
| [03:49:20] | unforgiven512: | From the MythTV FAQ, it says Xen is bad with PCI-based cards. |
| [03:49:26] | unforgiven512: | HDHomerun Prime |
| [03:49:38] | unforgiven512: | Why do you say that? (like that?) |
| [03:49:39] | tgm4883: | unforgiven512, doesn't usually take too long for me, a few minutes usually |
| [03:49:58] | unforgiven512: | It *is* doing stuff, I'm watching activity on the mysqld end |
| [03:49:58] | wagnerrp: | all virtualization is bad with physical hardware |
| [03:50:12] | unforgiven512: | Yeah I tried getting PCI passthrough to work for a NIC, no dice |
| [03:50:25] | [R]: | just because it's bad with pci, doesnt mean its good for not pci |
| [03:50:27] | wagnerrp: | unforgiven512: mythfilldatabase does take a long time initially, maybe 5–20 minutes depending on how many channels you have |
| [03:50:28] | unforgiven512: | It'd show up in the VM, but didn't work |
| [03:50:37] | unforgiven512: | wagnerrp: It's been running for ~50 mins |
| [03:50:46] | wagnerrp: | if it's taking longer than that, it's because of a poorly optimized database |
| [03:50:58] | unforgiven512: | So look at the mysqld end of things? |
| [03:51:18] | unforgiven512: | It's not on localhost...but it is on the same box...so the packets should never have to go out onto the (gigE) wire. |
| [03:51:25] | unforgiven512: | just through xenbr0 |
| [03:51:41] | wagnerrp: | specifically, mythfilldatabase is dumping into a temporary table, but the table is too large for the default (unconfigured) mysql configuration, and thus dumping to disk |
| [03:51:51] | tgm4883: | hence a poorly optimized database and not a poorly optimized network connection |
| [03:51:56] | unforgiven512: | I see |
| [03:52:04] | unforgiven512: | So, perhaps more RAM on the mysqld box would help? |
| [03:52:20] | wagnerrp: | every one of tens of thousands of database inserts is being pushed directly to the platter sequentially |
| [03:52:28] | unforgiven512: | hmm |
| [03:52:35] | wagnerrp: | which means 100k+ seeks on your hard drive |
| [03:52:38] | tgm4883: | no, configure mysql properly |
| [03:52:53] | unforgiven512: | mysqld is at ~50% CPU usage, ~6% of 1GB RAM |
| [03:52:54] | tgm4883: | well, maybe more ram |
| [03:53:09] | wagnerrp: | rather, mysqld has to be configured to actually use that ram |
| [03:53:16] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, +1 |
| [03:53:36] | tgm4883: | I only know that because wagnerrp likes to yell at me about it ;) |
| [03:53:54] | wagnerrp: | about what? |
| [03:54:03] | tgm4883: | poorly optimized mysql databases |
| [03:54:25] | wagnerrp: | nah, i blame mysql for having poor defaults |
| [03:54:26] | unforgiven512: | If I interrupt mythfilldatabase, and start it again, will it use what is already inserted in the db? |
| [03:54:50] | wagnerrp: | although to be fair, they're decent defaults for anyone not using mysql seriously |
| [03:54:56] | unforgiven512: | And can you recommend me any guides on optimizing MySQL? |
| [03:55:51] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression recent versions of mythtv were changed to sidestep that issue to a large extent |
| [03:55:55] | tgm4883: | unforgiven512, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tune_MySQL |
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| [03:56:13] | unforgiven512: | Thanks :) |
| [03:56:24] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, yes, that is the case. sphery made it so mythtv forces myisam for the temp tables. |
| [03:56:28] | unforgiven512: | As to interrupting mythfilldatabase? |
| [03:56:37] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, although tuning is still probably necessary |
| [03:57:37] | tgm4883: | unforgiven512, I'm unsure if refreshing a day drops all data first. I want to say yes, but IDK |
| [03:58:12] | wagnerrp: | right... forgot about that... |
| [03:58:34] | wagnerrp: | what country are you in? |
| [03:58:36] | unforgiven512: | USA |
| [03:59:46] | wagnerrp: | you should configure mythfilldatabase to run with '--dd-grab-all' |
| [04:00:10] | unforgiven512: | I'm using mc2xml...would that affect it? (I know it's unofficial/discouraged) |
| [04:00:18] | wagnerrp: | illegal |
| [04:00:48] | unforgiven512: | Legality and morality are two different things |
| [04:01:09] | unforgiven512: | But that's all besides the point. |
| [04:01:10] | tgm4883: | yes they are |
| [04:01:15] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:01:19] | wagnerrp: | considering it snags the windows media center feed, specifically intended for windows media center... |
| [04:01:44] | unforgiven512: | I own a Windows 7 Ultimate key, so that entitles me to use WMC |
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| [04:01:57] | unforgiven512: | WMC just...sucks. |
| [04:01:58] | ** tgm4883 sighs ** | |
| [04:01:59] | wagnerrp: | sure, and if you were using WMC, you could use that feed |
| [04:02:09] | unforgiven512: | I know all this |
| [04:02:10] | wagnerrp: | which of course would mean you wouldn't need mc2xml to grab it for you |
| [04:03:10] | unforgiven512: | Heh |
| [04:03:50] | unforgiven512: | I could always scrape zap2it.com directly (scrape the HTML) |
| [04:04:00] | tgm4883: | unforgiven512, no, that would be illegal too |
| [04:04:00] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:04:16] | unforgiven512: | I just think it's (quite) shitty that American media conglomorates control basically everything related to media in this country. |
| [04:04:28] | wagnerrp: | or you could just use schedules direct, which properly licenses the data from zap2it (tribune) |
| [04:04:36] | unforgiven512: | Yeah, I could. |
| [04:05:00] | wagnerrp: | what you just said is like claiming newspapers should be free, because no one should be able to charge for the news |
| [04:05:03] | [R]: | just because something is "shitty" doesn't entitle you to do illegal things |
| [04:05:06] | unforgiven512: | I just don't see a point in licensing publicly accessible, "free" data. |
| [04:05:19] | unforgiven512: | Just to use it in a different method/format. |
| [04:05:20] | tgm4883: | unforgiven512, yes, it's absolutely terrible that when something costs a company money to make available, they charge for it |
| [04:05:31] | [R]: | unforgiven512: they are providing a service... you think that is free for them? |
| [04:05:34] | unforgiven512: | tgm4883: Yet, they make it freely accessible on their own website. |
| [04:05:34] | wagnerrp: | but it's not free data. you're paying them to gather and package that data |
| [04:05:46] | wagnerrp: | they make it freely available through advertising |
| [04:05:51] | unforgiven512: | True. |
| [04:05:53] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, +1 |
| [04:05:54] | wagnerrp: | meaning it's not free |
| [04:06:02] | unforgiven512: | everything has a catch |
| [04:06:07] | tgm4883: | catch? |
| [04:06:17] | unforgiven512: | (paying via advertising) |
| [04:06:24] | ** tgm4883 wonders how paying for something could be considered a catch ** | |
| [04:06:26] | unforgiven512: | most people DON'T realize they're paying (indirectly) |
| [04:07:02] | tgm4883: | unforgiven512, most people are dumb when it comes to things on the internet |
| [04:07:07] | unforgiven512: | This is very true. |
| [04:07:18] | unforgiven512: | tgm4883: Better yet, most people are just dumb in general. |
| [04:07:22] | unforgiven512: | But that's just how I feel. |
| [04:07:25] | wagnerrp: | the simple fact is that this project will not support any use of mc2xml, or assist in its setup |
| [04:07:33] | unforgiven512: | wagnerrp: I understand. |
| [04:07:41] | unforgiven512: | wagnerrp: I can't say I don't. |
| [04:07:59] | tgm4883: | unforgiven512, I disagree with that. There are a lot of dumb people, but there are smart people as well |
| [04:08:09] | wagnerrp: | if you want to blame someone, there's some british EPG application that got zap2it's free non-commercial data feed shut down |
| [04:08:17] | unforgiven512: | tgm4883: Of course, but they are few-and-far-between |
| [04:08:21] | wagnerrp: | and forced the open source television community to set up schedules direct in the first place |
| [04:08:26] | ** tgm4883 always blames the british ** | |
| [04:08:29] | unforgiven512: | heh |
| [04:08:38] | unforgiven512: | In what way were they abusing it? |
| [04:09:07] | wagnerrp: | it was a commercial application, telling their users to sign up for non-commercial accounts because they didn't want to have to pay to license it |
| [04:09:15] | unforgiven512: | Wow. |
| [04:09:19] | wagnerrp: | so... non-commercial access was revoked for everyone |
| [04:09:27] | unforgiven512: | That's really shitty. |
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| [04:10:42] | unforgiven512: | Does SD play nicely with ClearQAM? |
| [04:11:11] | wagnerrp: | it doesn't offer tuning information, if that's what you're asking |
| [04:11:21] | wagnerrp: | you need to scan for channels, and match up the XMLTV IDs manually |
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| [04:11:27] | unforgiven512: | My provider sends all of it's channels in ClearQAM, including HD, etc. |
| [04:11:31] | unforgiven512: | (which is nice) |
| [04:12:09] | unforgiven512: | But all data I've seen uses the "virtual" channels (that map a "normal/###" channel to a ClearQAM channel ###-#) |
| [04:12:29] | unforgiven512: | And that would be done through MythFrontend? |
| [04:12:44] | tgm4883: | unforgiven512, I'd use mythweb for that |
| [04:12:45] | unforgiven512: | I ultimately plan on using XBMC as my main frontend, on 2 RPis. |
| [04:12:48] | wagnerrp: | tribune only offers the virtual mapping, and non-cablecard tuners only have access to the physical mapping |
| [04:13:07] | unforgiven512: | It is a cable-card tuner, however, my provider doesn't use CC. It's just all clearQAM |
| [04:13:08] | wagnerrp: | there are channel editors in mythfrontend, mythweb, and mythtv-setup |
| [04:13:27] | wagnerrp: | that's rare |
| [04:13:35] | unforgiven512: | It's a very small, local company |
| [04:13:49] | unforgiven512: | (service electric TV in the Lehigh Valley, PA region) |
| [04:14:12] | unforgiven512: | The competitor, RCN, uses CC and only broadcasts local channels in ClearQAM |
| [04:14:57] | wagnerrp: | that's tupical |
| [04:14:59] | wagnerrp: | typical |
| [04:15:01] | unforgiven512: | Will mythweb cope with having mysqld running on another box? |
| [04:15:29] | unforgiven512: | And that's the main reason I switched... I went down in net speeds a little, but it's cheaper... and I have 2 TVs which can decode ClearQAM as well. |
| [04:15:29] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is designed to be run in a clustered manner. that's not an issue |
| [04:16:20] | unforgiven512: | I've read I might need to source-build a newer version of CMyth for XBMC to deal with having mysqld on a separate box |
| [04:16:42] | wagnerrp: | we can't say anything about xbmc's requirements |
| [04:17:02] | unforgiven512: | I understand — you didn |
| [04:17:06] | unforgiven512: | didn't write it |
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| [04:20:17] | unforgiven512: | I'm going to sign up for SD |
| [04:20:27] | unforgiven512: | It seems they *do* offer QAM maps |
| [04:21:46] | wagnerrp: | they do, assuming another user uploaded one for your area |
| [04:22:00] | unforgiven512: | If they didn't, I can? |
| [04:22:22] | wagnerrp: | you can, i'm not entirely sure the way to do so |
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| [04:22:26] | wagnerrp: | it's not yet fully implemented |
| [04:22:35] | unforgiven512: | Do you guys have anything to do with SD? |
| [04:22:45] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, it includes running some script and mailing the results to robert k |
| [04:23:18] | wagnerrp: | several mythtv and xmltv devs run SD, but the projects are not directly associated |
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| [04:26:50] | unforgiven512: | I see |
| [04:45:10] | unforgiven512: | How do I set the IP of the backend in the frontend? The frontend (mythfrontend) repeatedly tells me it can't contact the backend |
| [04:45:24] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv-setup |
| [04:45:29] | unforgiven512: | I don't see anywhere to enter it. I set the IP of the database server. |
| [04:45:45] | unforgiven512: | It seems that mythtv-setup wants to create a local backend (which I do not want, correct?) |
| [04:46:00] | wagnerrp: | you tell the frontend where the database is, and everything else is pulled from the database |
| [04:46:48] | unforgiven512: | So I run mythtv-setup, then I go to 1) General |
| [04:46:58] | unforgiven512: | and it says "Local Backend (hostname)" |
| [04:47:01] | unforgiven512: | IP address...etc |
| [04:47:03] | wagnerrp: | you had to do this already when you configured your backend |
| [04:47:25] | unforgiven512: | I did my backend by ssh -X mythtv@10.4.20.52 |
| [04:47:29] | unforgiven512: | then mythtv-setup |
| [04:47:41] | unforgiven512: | Now I'm running mythtv-setup on my local box |
| [04:47:52] | wagnerrp: | and you configure the backend's IP address then |
| [04:47:57] | unforgiven512: | And under "master backend" it has the correct address there |
| [04:49:22] | unforgiven512: | Aaand it still tells me: Could not connect to the master backend server. Is it running? Is the IP address set for it in mythtv-setup correct? |
| [04:49:26] | unforgiven512: | (yes and yes) |
| [04:50:53] | wagnerrp: | each backend must have a local address configured |
| [04:51:04] | wagnerrp: | the master backend address then selects which backend operates as the master |
| [04:51:07] | unforgiven512: | But I should only have one backend? The master? |
| [04:51:26] | wagnerrp: | and any frontends look up what address to connect to from those settings, stored in the database |
| [04:51:53] | unforgiven512: | Yeah I'm connecting to the DB fine; it's getting all the settings and what not |
| [04:52:27] | wagnerrp: | is the backend actually running? |
| [04:52:32] | wagnerrp: | is the backend firewalled? |
| [04:52:41] | wagnerrp: | what address did you configure for the backend to listen on? |
| [04:55:34] | unforgiven512: | Ugh |
| [04:55:53] | unforgiven512: | I enabled/started mythbackend (systemctl {enable,start} mythbackend} |
| [04:55:55] | unforgiven512: | it IS running |
| [04:56:04] | unforgiven512: | netstat -a doesn't show it listening, though |
| [04:56:23] | unforgiven512: | But it shows connections to the mysqld and HDHR |
| [04:56:43] | wagnerrp: | check your backend logs, specifically the first few seconds of startup |
| [04:57:50] | unforgiven512: | I'm still not fully used to systemd |
| [04:57:58] | unforgiven512: | I've always been a debian guy...switched to arch recently |
| [04:58:45] | unforgiven512: | mythbackend.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE |
| [04:58:49] | unforgiven512: | makes sense |
| [04:59:34] | unforgiven512: | ChannelBase: CreateChannel() Error: Failed to open device 13171631–2 |
| [05:00:45] | wagnerrp: | any chance you're trying to start the backend before the network is coming online? |
| [05:03:52] | tgm4883: | restarting the backend service might tell that |
| [05:04:01] | tgm4883: | if it works now, not a config issue |
| [05:05:14] | unforgiven512: | It seems I have to have a video source associated with the tuners/ |
| [05:05:26] | unforgiven512: | I had the tuners added |
| [05:05:36] | unforgiven512: | I'm running a channel scan now |
| [05:05:50] | unforgiven512: | Do I only need 1 video source for all 3 tuners in the HDHR Prime? |
| [05:06:05] | wagnerrp: | a video source contains a list of channels |
| [05:06:12] | unforgiven512: | ie, my SD account |
| [05:06:16] | wagnerrp: | you map it to any tuner that can access that same list of channels |
| [05:06:41] | wagnerrp: | so a bunch of clear QAM tuners would use one video source |
| [05:06:54] | wagnerrp: | if you added another digital tuner with an antenna, that would be a different video source |
| [05:06:58] | unforgiven512: | And I associated all 3 tuners with that one source? |
| [05:07:05] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [05:07:10] | unforgiven512: | Cool |
| [05:07:25] | unforgiven512: | It'll all pay off once everything is (hopefully) seamlessly working |
| [05:11:00] | unforgiven512: | How well does the automatic commercial flagging work? And how *does* it work? |
| [05:11:29] | wagnerrp: | it runs as a batch task, analyzing the video for things like black screens and logos |
| [05:11:44] | unforgiven512: | CPU intensive? |
| [05:12:02] | wagnerrp: | considerably faster than real-time on a modern CPU |
| [05:12:08] | wagnerrp: | but fairly intensive |
| [05:12:23] | unforgiven512: | 6-core AMD Phenom II 1090t |
| [05:12:29] | unforgiven512: | 3.2GHz |
| [05:12:43] | unforgiven512: | However, I'm only passing 4 cores (so I allowed 4 jobs) |
| [05:12:55] | wagnerrp: | it's multi-threaded |
| [05:13:05] | unforgiven512: | Should I lower the job count? |
| [05:13:11] | wagnerrp: | probably |
| [05:13:14] | unforgiven512: | 2? |
| [05:14:07] | wagnerrp: | up to you |
| [05:14:28] | unforgiven512: | Would you consider that sane? |
| [05:14:35] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [05:14:54] | unforgiven512: | I'd also like to (eventually) setup automatic transcode to x264 |
| [05:15:09] | unforgiven512: | Which, to my understanding, uses one of those "job" slots |
| [05:17:58] | unforgiven512: | In the channel scan, it's saying: QAM-256 Channel 125 — Timed out, 3 possible channels |
| [05:18:14] | unforgiven512: | Is that normal (I know that channel contains program 42, 43, 44) |
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| [05:26:00] | unforgiven512: | Okay, I got the frontend talking to the backend |
| [05:26:26] | unforgiven512: | RingBuf(myth://[2001:470:1f07:154:216:3eff:fecd:3da]: . . . 002519.mpg): Took more than 10 seconds to be allowed to read, aborting. |
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| [06:39:48] | unforgiven512: | Argh |
| [06:39:54] | unforgiven512: | I can't get the frontend to play any video |
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| [17:09:44] | drindt: | i see the output of myth-setup but i cant switch with tab the list to select my country nor i can click something, what can i do? |
| [17:19:17] | wagnerrp: | do the arrow keys work? |
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| [17:24:54] | Korny: | Afternoon all |
| [17:25:54] | Korny: | New server is up and running and i'm satisfied with the results, Mythtv frontend/backend 5 HD's 1 SSD i3 wiht 8 gigs of ram 60 watts while playing video and recording 4 programs :) |
| [17:28:34] | Korny: | And commercial flagging all 4 |
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| [17:53:53] | drindt: | someone can tell me how to reset in the database the painter for the frontend? since i switched to auto mythfrontend crashes on startup. thank you very much |
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| [20:49:04] | Korny: | Anyone good with mysql and know what i could type to turn all my movies to "watched" :) |
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| [21:56:12] | ** DarthFrog recommends phpmyadmin to Korny. ** | |
| [21:56:50] | Korny: | There is a simply query that could do it too, I'm just to stupid sql wise to create it :) |
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| [22:24:47] | tgm4883: | Korny, probably something along the lines 'update videometadata set watched=1' |
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