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[00:07:57] | tgm4883: | w5lee, what part is confusing |
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[00:19:41] | w5lee: | So I guess I need to mount my unraid file system to my backend correct? |
[00:20:24] | tgm4883: | w5lee, yes |
[00:20:31] | w5lee: | So when I try and play a video it will go over network from my unraid server to backend then to frontend? |
[00:20:39] | tgm4883: | yes |
[00:21:26] | w5lee: | lee@mythtv:/mnt/tower$ sudo mount //tower/Movies |
[00:21:26] | w5lee: | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //tower/Movies, |
[00:21:26] | w5lee: | missing codepage or helper program, or other error |
[00:21:26] | w5lee: | (for several filesystems (e.g. nfs, cifs) you might |
[00:21:26] | w5lee: | need a /sbin/mount.<type> helper program) |
[00:21:26] | w5lee: | In some cases useful info is found in syslog – try |
[00:21:26] | w5lee: | dmesg | tail or so |
[00:21:48] | w5lee: | that isn't working for me but still trying to figure out what I did wrong |
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[00:22:47] | tgm4883: | w5lee, what is the share? CIFS? NFS? |
[00:22:59] | w5lee: | cifs |
[00:23:11] | tgm4883: | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently |
[00:23:12] | w5lee: | I can do both but right now cifs |
[00:23:27] | w5lee: | would nfs be better? |
[00:23:40] | tgm4883: | either will work |
[00:23:43] | w5lee: | k |
[00:23:45] | w5lee: | ty |
[00:30:38] | w5lee: | "//tower/Movies /mnt/tower/Movies cifs guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=unicode,unicode 0 0" |
[00:31:07] | w5lee: | [ 720.849778] CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22 |
[00:31:07] | w5lee: | [ 1295.125675] CIFS: Unknown mount option "codepage=unicode" |
[00:31:07] | w5lee: | [ 1390.050076] CIFS: Unknown mount option "codepage=unicode" |
[00:31:07] | w5lee: | lee@mythtv:/mnt/tower$ |
[00:32:05] | tgm4883: | remove codepage=unicode,unicode |
[00:32:10] | w5lee: | k |
[00:32:18] | tgm4883: | ,codepage=unicode,unicode |
[00:32:24] | tgm4883: | remove the extra , too :) |
[00:32:28] | ** tgm4883 hometime ** | |
[00:34:13] | w5lee: | [ 1698.631254] CIFS VFS: No username specified |
[00:34:23] | w5lee: | now that not sure why left guest in |
[00:34:36] | w5lee: | here is new line from fstab |
[00:35:03] | w5lee: | "//tower/Movies /mnt/tower/Movies cifs guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8" |
[00:35:07] | w5lee: | w/o quotes |
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[00:53:30] | w5lee: | thanks for help got it going had to update packages and remove codepage |
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[00:54:52] | wagnerrp: | cifs? why are you using cifs to store your recordings? |
[00:55:33] | w5lee: | Oh one more question there was a warning about not putting a mount point into the storage group...I created a directory /mnt/tower/Movies on my backend and I am mounting my CIFS share to that...In the storage group I put in /mnt/tower/Movies is that wrong? |
[00:56:05] | w5lee: | Not using it for storing recordings I have a lot of video's out there...should I use nfs I have that available? |
[00:56:14] | wagnerrp: | whether a partition is mounted or not, that mount point will always exist |
[00:56:26] | wagnerrp: | so if you tell mythtv to record to the mount point, and that partition is not mounted |
[00:56:32] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has no way of knowing something is wrong |
[00:57:03] | wagnerrp: | if you record to something below the mount point, if the partition is not mounted, the recording directory will not exist, and mythtv will skip it when searching for somewhere to store your recordings |
[00:58:05] | w5lee: | that was the warning so how do I do it correctly put /mnt/tower/Movies/recordings in sg? |
[00:58:37] | wagnerrp: | is this for recordings or your video library? |
[00:59:03] | w5lee: | I probably need to create one for recordings as well as backend is vm running on small ssd drive |
[00:59:11] | wagnerrp: | ugh.... |
[00:59:19] | w5lee: | just now getting things set up for testing |
[00:59:40] | w5lee: | been pretty happy with Tivo but wanted to give this a shot |
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[01:01:44] | w5lee: | is ugh....just give up now :) |
[01:02:23] | wagnerrp: | considering you're running in a VM, and using CIFS as storage, you're just setting yourself up for failure |
[01:02:42] | w5lee: | like I mentioned I can do nfs |
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[01:02:59] | w5lee: | would that be a better choice? My video/storage server is unraid |
[01:03:30] | wagnerrp: | for a video archive, unraid is fine |
[01:03:35] | w5lee: | or is local storage on the backend the better way to go |
[01:03:47] | wagnerrp: | for recordings, you would be much better off with independent drives |
[01:03:52] | w5lee: | ok so I need local for live tv and recordings |
[01:04:16] | wagnerrp: | as it stands, that parity disk will be a significant bottleneck if you're trying to record several things at once |
[01:04:41] | wagnerrp: | if youre using all POSIX machines, and security is not a major concern, nfs >>> cifs |
[01:05:05] | w5lee: | ok if I have say 15GB on ssd will it record to it an then move it off to unraid? Is that possible to set up? |
[01:05:29] | wagnerrp: | 15GB is a painfully small amount of recording space. expect around 6–8GB/hr |
[01:06:32] | w5lee: | yeah I see what you mean...I was planning on using xbmc as front end but I guess it doesn't do the commercial skipping...one of the main reasons for the switch. |
[01:07:17] | w5lee: | mythfrontend is 50% done scanning my library looking forward to see what it looks like |
[01:09:48] | w5lee: | oh and if it matters using hd-homerun prime as my tuner |
[01:10:13] | wagnerrp: | well on the plus side, that's about the only usable tuner available to someone trying to use a VM |
[01:11:37] | w5lee: | back to my question...using sg's would that be able to migrate my recordings off to unraid after the initial recording? |
[01:12:07] | wagnerrp: | using an external script, sure |
[01:12:40] | w5lee: | Ok so no tierd storage just manages it on initial save |
[01:13:20] | wagnerrp: | the comment i made about unraid is because any write to any of the disks means you're going to have to read all the data in all the other disks, compute parity, and then write to the storage and the parity disks |
[01:13:39] | wagnerrp: | that makes it considerably slower to write than even a single drive |
[01:14:12] | w5lee: | true unless you have a cache drive configured which I do not |
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[01:14:33] | wagnerrp: | when you toss in multiple recordings, and the frequent re-seeking that such causes, it's going to be tough for unraid to keep up with even the modest needs of a few 2MB/s streams |
[01:15:34] | w5lee: | could be...I probably will graduate from VM..if it meets the WAF |
[01:15:35] | wagnerrp: | 15GB of SSD space isn't going to cut it, but if you've got a couple old drives lying around, those could work |
[01:16:22] | wagnerrp: | i have a handful of 300GB drives that i use as scratch for recordings, before cutting out the commercials and migrating them to a video library on a RAID6 array |
[01:16:54] | w5lee: | Ok do you have to transcode to remove commercials? |
[01:16:57] | wagnerrp: | or at least i used to... until the array got filled up and i started supplementing it with spare 2TB drives |
[01:17:09] | wagnerrp: | i need to build a new array at some point |
[01:17:10] | w5lee: | :) I have some of those |
[01:17:20] | wagnerrp: | sorta... |
[01:17:23] | w5lee: | thanks for help btw |
[01:17:39] | wagnerrp: | it's called a "lossless transcode", but that's not exactly accurate |
[01:18:11] | wagnerrp: | it's a special mode in mythtranscode that clips out the marked cutpoints in a recording, and then fixes the handful of frames between those cutpoints and the nearest I-frame |
[01:18:42] | wagnerrp: | out of a couple hundred thousand frames in a recording, maybe a few hundred actually have to be re-encoded |
[01:18:45] | wagnerrp: | the rest remain untouched |
[01:18:54] | w5lee: | OK I am going to use the word "best" here but what front end would you recommend |
[01:18:55] | wagnerrp: | so the whole process only ends up taking a few minutes |
[01:19:04] | wagnerrp: | little more than just copying the file |
[01:19:09] | w5lee: | sounds like what I may want to try |
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[01:21:15] | w5lee: | got to love it: |
[01:21:16] | w5lee: | Sorry, the program "mythbackend" closed unexpectedly |
[01:21:17] | w5lee: | Your computer does not have enough free memory to automatically analyze the problem and send a report to the developers. |
[01:21:59] | wagnerrp: | sounds like some mythbuntu thing, probably apport |
[01:24:01] | wagnerrp: | what kind of hardware are you trying to run this thing on? |
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[01:25:28] | w5lee: | vm 2g mem 2 cpu |
[01:26:00] | wagnerrp: | what kind of CPUs? |
[01:26:07] | w5lee: | desktop machine workstation 9 |
[01:26:19] | wagnerrp: | i don't know what that means |
[01:26:34] | w5lee: | core2quad 6300 |
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[01:27:23] | wagnerrp: | intel made a quad numbered that low? |
[01:28:04] | wagnerrp: | maybe a Q8300? |
[01:28:12] | w5lee: | 2.4GHZ |
[01:28:25] | wagnerrp: | 6600? |
[01:28:26] | w5lee: | yes they did a bit old |
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[01:28:39] | wagnerrp: | the 6300 was a 1.83GHz C2D |
[01:28:41] | w5lee: | Q6600 |
[01:28:46] | w5lee: | sorry you were correct |
[01:29:11] | w5lee: | 6GB ram |
[01:29:36] | w5lee: | 60GB SSD allocated to VM's this one only has 20 GB |
[01:29:41] | w5lee: | I could extend some |
[01:29:53] | w5lee: | if I knew how to do it in linux :) |
[01:30:17] | w5lee: | I extended it to 30GB already in vmware but haven't done so in ubuntu yet |
[01:30:17] | wagnerrp: | should be plenty for a dedicated backend, but VMs always carry considerable overhead compared to a real machine of the same specs |
[01:30:57] | w5lee: | It may become my dedicated backend as I have the itch for an upgrade for my desktop :) |
[01:31:08] | wagnerrp: | the backend probably shut down because you didn't do some basic configuration |
[01:31:14] | w5lee: | Would it be enough / or should I use it as back/frontend both |
[01:31:25] | wagnerrp: | although typically mythbuntu automates a lot of that for you |
[01:31:45] | w5lee: | could be but more that likely ate up all memory trying to index my video library...pretty big |
[01:31:50] | wagnerrp: | plenty for a combo fe/be... if it weren't in a VM |
[01:32:04] | wagnerrp: | it shouldn't |
[01:32:06] | w5lee: | OK, I may do that then |
[01:32:18] | wagnerrp: | all it's doing is sequentially hashing all your files |
[01:32:31] | wagnerrp: | and it's not a full hash. only the first and last 64KB of the file |
[01:32:38] | w5lee: | ATI 5700 ok for card |
[01:32:43] | wagnerrp: | nope |
[01:32:47] | wagnerrp: | avoid AMD graphics |
[01:33:06] | wagnerrp: | intel is acceptable, nvidia is recommended. use amd at your own risk |
[01:33:39] | w5lee: | ok, I want to passthrough DTS/HD audio what card should I get? |
[01:34:09] | wagnerrp: | GT210 or better |
[01:34:14] | w5lee: | I can research more but if you don't mind me picking your brain it is appriciated. |
[01:35:43] | w5lee: | Ok, If I store recordings on local disk and I want to keep them can I just copy them off to my unraid? |
[01:36:46] | wagnerrp: | if you want to keep them as recordings, it's a bit more complicated |
[01:36:59] | wagnerrp: | first of... where is all this storage? |
[01:37:21] | w5lee: | you mean my unraid? |
[01:37:25] | wagnerrp: | since your tuner is network attached, why not run your backend there rather than fiddle around with CIFS or NFS? |
[01:37:55] | w5lee: | ahh unraid is on debian and is special install |
[01:38:06] | w5lee: | not sure I have skill set to install backend there |
[01:38:21] | w5lee: | that would be nice |
[01:38:35] | wagnerrp: | your VMWare image is... an ISO? or something like that? |
[01:38:51] | w5lee: | I pulled down mythbuntu iso and installed it |
[01:38:53] | w5lee: | in vm |
[01:38:57] | wagnerrp: | copy the image to your debian box, loopback mount it, chroot into it, and run mythbackend |
[01:41:05] | w5lee: | yeah not sure what that means...not that linux savy |
[01:41:43] | w5lee: | my questions all started with having a hard time mounting a cifs share remember LOL |
[01:42:16] | w5lee: | I do like learning and playing though and work with computers for a living |
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[01:42:56] | w5lee: | sorry got to run...thanks so much for your input! |
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[03:55:48] | wagnerrp: | do server chips typically come with a heatsink? |
[03:57:14] | DarthFrog: | wagnerrp: In my experience, these days, the heat sinks come with the server case as it has the plastic shields for directing air flow. |
[03:57:32] | wagnerrp: | hmm... not getting a case |
[03:57:39] | DarthFrog: | i.e. Supermicro cases and Xeon chips. |
[03:58:19] | DarthFrog: | why do you want a server CPU? |
[03:58:54] | wagnerrp: | just pricing things, considering a dual-socket system |
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[04:01:12] | DarthFrog: | Again, why? You can get 4, 6 or 8 core chips these days. |
[04:01:25] | wagnerrp: | registered memory support |
[04:01:57] | DarthFrog: | And again why? you can get upto 32 GB support on consumer mobos. |
[04:02:19] | DarthFrog: | ECC I could see. but not registered. |
[04:02:33] | wagnerrp: | any modern processor supports ECC these days |
[04:02:40] | wagnerrp: | even intel finally enabled ECC with ivy bridge |
[04:02:57] | wagnerrp: | but registered... just lower loads on the memory controller |
[04:03:11] | wagnerrp: | ZFS likes its memory |
[04:03:25] | DarthFrog: | Yes it does. Rather a lot, really. :-) |
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[04:07:53] | wagnerrp: | i really need to just run memtest overnight on my current system |
[04:08:20] | wagnerrp: | i've been having serious disk problems recently, and i think it's caused by a recent upgrade to 16GB |
[04:25:59] | wagnerrp: | oh hell, some spam bot just went nuts on the wiki |
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[14:43:49] | justinh: | this is just ridiculous now. 9 machines running on one VM host. Ok so it's got 12GB RAM, but erm.. a stupid lowly Xeon CPU |
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[14:52:51] | sheppard: | justinh: meh, most of the time you aren't cpu bound on vms |
[14:52:54] | sheppard: | depending on workload of coursr |
[14:54:03] | justinh: | maybe it's iobound then... most of these things are LAMP servers I'm testing |
[14:54:03] | wagnerrp: | should it be a sign of trouble if memtest instantly reboots on my system? |
[14:54:28] | sheppard: | wagnerrp: yep |
[14:54:28] | justinh: | instantly? As you start a test you mean? Then I'd likely say yes |
[14:54:37] | wagnerrp: | heh |
[14:54:44] | sheppard: | wagnerrp: are your psu voltages really low? |
[14:55:12] | ** justinh goes to grovel for a 500GB or so SSD ** | |
[14:55:17] | justinh: | x2 :-D |
[14:55:23] | wagnerrp: | nah, voltages are fine |
[14:55:30] | wagnerrp: | i've been having trouble with my file server |
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[14:55:54] | wagnerrp: | i couldn't get it to boot off a usb stick, so i swapped the memory out for one of my frontends to test it |
[14:56:02] | justinh: | sheppard: anyway, looking at the CPU load I'd say it's pretty much cpu bound |
[14:56:34] | justinh: | wagnerrp: you might've damaged that memory now |
[14:56:53] | wagnerrp: | thinking ESD? |
[14:57:22] | justinh: | no, thinking that the motherboard voltage regulation might be all to pot, making mince of the other RAM first |
[14:58:04] | wagnerrp: | it ran fine for ~2 years on some older 2x2GB |
[14:58:17] | justinh: | seen a system do that here, started life as a badcaps board.. we replaced the caps.. seemed to work ok but minced the original RAM, then minced the replacemenr ram |
[14:58:24] | wagnerrp: | but it's been unstable starting about a week after i added 4x4GB to it |
[14:59:19] | sheppard: | wonder if the memory controller got tired |
[14:59:25] | wagnerrp: | right now, i'm thinking either the memory is bad, or 4 ranks per channel at speed is just too much for the controller |
[14:59:45] | wagnerrp: | if the memory reports good, i'll downclock the controller |
[14:59:53] | sheppard: | run memtest with one stick, see how stable it is |
[14:59:56] | justinh: | maybe the mobo manufacturer didn't actually test it properly.. wouldn't be unheard of |
[15:01:03] | wagnerrp: | i'm thinking this ivy bridge chip just doesn't like this copy of memtest |
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[15:04:28] | wagnerrp: | timestamp on the file is almost 5 years ago. probably just too old |
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[15:07:15] | wagnerrp: | that was it, a newer copy is running |
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[15:14:21] | tobilicous: | Hi everyone, I was trying to program German analog channels into MythTV 0.26 (Mythbuntu 12.04). Unfortunately no channels seem to lock but with tvtime I can tune and watch all channels. I'm not too sure if the analog capabilities are still disabled (seemed to have happened around version 0.22) or if I am just not able to see what I am doing wrong. Used the very same setup before for DVB-T recording, everything went fine. |
[15:19:47] | wagnerrp: | the analog scanner should have been fixed for 0.23 |
[15:23:45] | tobilicous: | The scanner takes very little time and the signal bars (shown in percent) never actually show any value. I've tried several different settings for the HVR 1300 cx_88 blackbird card but no luck. Anything I could be doing wrong on my side? The logs show an error "Invalid Command (22)" but I couldn't find information about this type of error |
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[15:49:24] | tobilicous: | Do you have any idea what I could do? |
[15:49:59] | justinh: | what kind of tuner card did you set the tuner type to be in mythtv-setup? |
[15:52:01] | tobilicous: | Uhmm from the top of my head it was Analog V4L |
[15:52:12] | tobilicous: | I also tried the MPEG2 Encoder type |
[15:52:36] | justinh: | AFAIK tvtime only supports framegrabber devices, always has |
[15:56:34] | tobilicous: | HVR1300 has /dev/video0 which is uncompressed video (framegrabber) and /dev/video1 which is cx_88 blackbird |
[15:56:38] | tobilicous: | Does this make a difference? |
[15:57:47] | justinh: | probably |
[15:58:05] | justinh: | I dunno if any cx_88 blackbird mpeg encoders ever got working |
[16:01:57] | tobilicous: | Umpff that is too bad... so maybe I could use the framegrabber /dev/video0 and encode on the fly (if my machine can handle that) |
[16:03:03] | justinh: | if it's an actual hvr1300 it might actually work though. I know I had a blackbird 'clone' type device & it was a load of junk |
[16:03:46] | justinh: | we don't have analogue TV in the UK anymore. Not even cable |
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[16:21:57] | justinh: | arghh my head is wrecked from all this packaging testing I've been doing. Setting up a repo for our stuff too |
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[16:34:22] | devinheitmueller: | I had the 1300 working at one point, but haven't looked at it in almost 18 months. |
[16:34:27] | devinheitmueller: | … and it wasn't with MythTV. |
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[16:50:17] | tobilicous: | @devinheitmueller: May I ask what you've used to get the 1300 to work? Another distro / software? |
[16:50:39] | devinheitmueller: | I made kernel fixes which were submitted upstream. |
[16:51:10] | devinheitmueller: | Hence it should already be working in any recent distro. |
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[16:51:28] | devinheitmueller: | (there were several problems with the video decoder setup when using the MPEG encoder) |
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[16:51:56] | devinheitmueller: | That said, if it's not working then either it's an app issue or a regression. All I can say is that it did work at one point. |
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[16:56:01] | tobilicous: | Oh okay. Good to know, in a way. Can I find out more specific information and submit a bug report of any kind? Or, in other words, how will I find out if it is actually an app issue or a regression problem? |
[16:56:30] | devinheitmueller: | No easy answer there. Reporting that it is broken is unlikely to get anybody to fix it. |
[16:56:38] | devinheitmueller: | It's an older card, and the developers generally don't care about it. |
[16:56:45] | devinheitmueller: | (and I don't have time myself to debug it) |
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[17:01:19] | tobilicous: | Yeah ok, I understand. However, maybe I can debug the frequency lock process on my own? I do have programming experience but am unexperienced with developing on Linux. |
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[17:16:41] | tobilicous: | Or is the setup too complicated? I found a debugging article in the wiki, but this seems to relate to generate a backtrace only |
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[18:20:13] | wagnerrp: | oh yeah... the second set of DIMMs is just flooding memtest |
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[19:08:46] | wagnerrp: | wonderful... |
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[19:09:07] | wagnerrp: | 45 minutes on the phone to spend 30 seconds finding out all i need to do is bring the memory back to the store to exchange |
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[22:50:29] | skd5aner: | Has anyone considered taking on the feature requets of... |
[22:50:41] | skd5aner: | 1) Allowing recordings/videos to loop/repeat... |
[22:50:56] | skd5aner: | 2) Having playlists for recordings/videos |
[22:53:41] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, don't playlists already exist? |
[22:53:56] | skd5aner: | Not for recordings that I can see |
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[22:54:08] | tgm4883: | I'm almost certain it does for recordings |
[22:54:17] | skd5aner: | I'll check again now, just a min |
[22:54:28] | skd5aner: | For videos I think you can play a folder |
[22:54:28] | tgm4883: | something like "Info button > add to playlist" |
[22:54:51] | tgm4883: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Watch_ . . . The_Playlist |
[22:54:56] | tgm4883: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvideo_Playlists |
[22:55:32] | skd5aner: | Ah, der... yea... I see the playlist feature in recordings |
[22:56:20] | skd5aner: | Oddly enough, in videos, I can play folders, but not add individual videos to ap laylist |
[22:56:50] | skd5aner: | tgm4883: yes, you can do it the "hard" way by setting "next video" – but that's a bit of a big hammer approach |
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[23:27:41] | wagnerrp: | correct. the video library has no proper playlist |
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[23:37:38] | skd5aner: | does the guy who did mythfrontend for android hang out around here? |
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