| Tuesday, March 5th, 2013, 00:00 UTC | ||
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| [00:03:26] | DarthFrog: | Hi folks, Brand-new install of Kubuntu Raring 13.04. I'm trying to set up Myth and get this: http://pastebin.com/uYNuaf04 |
| [00:03:32] | DarthFrog: | Is this a known issue? |
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| [00:17:15] | ankoku: | DarthFrog: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/myt . . . +bug/1108552 points to it being a bug in aptdaemon |
| [00:17:33] | ankoku: | my guess would be that 13.04 is not supported yet by mythbuntu |
| [00:17:58] | kormoc: | Is anyone actually using HLS stream recording in myth currently? |
| [00:20:53] | ankoku: | I'm not |
| [00:22:12] | DarthFrog: | ankoku: Thanks. I'm looking in the Launchpad bugs for aptdaemon. |
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| [00:33:11] | quantum: | Has anyone tried using the new HD-PVR 2 with Myth? Specifically with HDMI from a STB? |
| [00:39:09] | neufeld: | quantum: read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR According to that, it doesn't support HDCP, so your STB will not handshake the HDMI, and the HD-PVR2 also doesn't have Linux support, so it won't record. |
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| [00:41:43] | quantum: | neufeld: didn't see anything about the HD-PVR2 (1512) there. |
| [00:41:58] | quantum: | It's HDCP that I'm concerned about. |
| [00:42:32] | quantum: | The 1512 will record HDMI from XBox, so they must have cracked that key. |
| [00:42:50] | quantum: | I'm just wondering about other STBs? |
| [00:42:50] | sheppard: | what |
| [00:43:01] | sheppard: | quantum: games on xbox360 don't require HDCP |
| [00:43:07] | neufeld: | exactly |
| [00:43:32] | sheppard: | quantum: I have a regular HD-PVR and output HD from my STB via composite? or component, always forget the term |
| [00:43:33] | quantum: | PS2 requires component for the 1512. |
| [00:43:39] | sheppard: | that's how I get around hdcp |
| [00:43:53] | sheppard: | quantum: also, hd-pvr2 doesn't come with an IR blaster, like the regular one does |
| [00:44:03] | neufeld: | quantum: OK, try http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr2.html go to the "specifications" page. QUOTE: "Note: HD PVR 2 will not record video from HDMI with HDCP copy protection." |
| [00:44:16] | quantum: | Don't want to output from the 1512. Want to record digital. |
| [00:44:41] | sheppard: | quantum: reread what I said |
| [00:45:25] | quantum: | sheppard: I saw it, but I am trying to get -all- the facts... |
| [00:45:34] | sheppard: | what facts |
| [00:45:41] | sheppard: | hd-pvr2 won't cap hdcp protected content |
| [00:45:47] | neufeld: | sheppard: component cables don't have HDCP. So you're "getting around it", in a way, by translating it to analogue first. HDMI is straight-through uncompressed digital, and they're more careful with protecting that. |
| [00:45:50] | sheppard: | it doesn't have an IR blaster, so you can't control your stb |
| [00:46:06] | sheppard: | neufeld: exactly? |
| [00:46:32] | neufeld: | sheppard: sorry, wrong nick. I was directing that at quantum. |
| [00:47:23] | quantum: | Well that's pretty f'ing useless with no HDCP. |
| [00:47:51] | sheppard: | there's some chinese devices that claim they'll bypass HDCP |
| [00:47:54] | quantum: | Isn't there something gray market, like we had in The Olden Days? |
| [00:48:00] | sheppard: | as I think the key for it got leaked a while ago |
| [00:48:07] | neufeld: | sheppard: but we don't talk about those on this channel |
| [00:48:14] | sheppard: | neufeld: exactly |
| [00:48:15] | neufeld: | yeah, the HDCP key-generation matrix has been leaked |
| [00:48:39] | quantum: | Well black market is not OK, but gray market is... |
| [00:49:00] | quantum: | Any hints? |
| [00:49:12] | sheppard: | google? |
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| [00:49:30] | neufeld: | quantum: the HDMI is for video-game recording. My 1212 doesn't have HDMI because it came out before Hauppauge realized people wanted to record video games, and they knew that HDMI input would be unusable to record from STB/Cable/Blu-Ray |
| [00:49:38] | quantum: | 'google is the way we used to look at girls... |
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| [00:50:06] | quantum: | neufeld: not of use to me, but thx. |
| [00:51:01] | quantum: | I am sick of frightened people. |
| [00:53:12] | quantum: | Alright I'll try startpage. |
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| [00:59:15] | sphery: | the key for hdcp is completely irrelevant |
| [00:59:47] | DarthFrog: | sphery: Why? |
| [00:59:48] | sphery: | because no vendor could ever break the hdcp licensing terms--which forbid ignoring/bypassing hdcp, etc. |
| [01:00:05] | sphery: | and because they /get/ the key when they license hdmi |
| [01:00:10] | sphery: | (a key, really) |
| [01:00:18] | sphery: | which is why their devices work |
| [01:00:51] | wagnerrp: | i have a folder that crashes my computer if i try to `ls` it |
| [01:01:08] | clever: | wagnerrp: do it again in text mode and dmesg should be visible |
| [01:01:20] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [01:01:26] | neufeld: | sphery: well, the thing is, with the matrix you can generate your own keys, and then build an FPGA setup to to MitM attacks. So the key-generation matrix leak has some significance. |
| [01:01:28] | clever: | X gets in the way enless you have kms supported drivers |
| [01:01:32] | clever: | wagnerrp: ctrl+alt+F1 |
| [01:01:34] | wagnerrp: | what X? |
| [01:01:38] | clever: | Xorg |
| [01:01:43] | wagnerrp: | i don't run X |
| [01:01:56] | clever: | ah, doing everything by ssh? |
| [01:02:03] | DarthFrog: | Ooh, a purist. :-) |
| [01:02:17] | sphery: | neufeld: yes, no reputable vendor (i.e. Hauppauge) can do that |
| [01:02:19] | wagnerrp: | and i don't have this 'kms' you speak of either |
| [01:02:27] | sphery: | neufeld: so only a black/grey market device by a non-entity |
| [01:02:36] | sphery: | or a DIY |
| [01:02:36] | clever: | wagnerrp: kms isnt needed as much if you dont run X |
| [01:02:44] | sphery: | and, really, why not just buy the right tool for the job |
| [01:02:47] | neufeld: | sphery: agreed |
| [01:02:57] | wagnerrp: | and anything that may be reported in the kernel logs has been scrolled off the screen by the kernel panic backtrace |
| [01:03:01] | sphery: | i.e. HD-PVR (that has GNU/Linux drivers) and use Component and the analog hole |
| [01:03:20] | clever: | wagnerrp: the backtrace itself can still be of use, does it have a hardware serial port? |
| [01:03:43] | wagnerrp: | the backtrace tells me exactly where the problem is, but it doesn't really do me any good trying to debug it |
| [01:03:50] | sheppard: | sphery: should be noted, the linux drivers for the hd-pvr are terrible |
| [01:03:56] | clever: | wagnerrp: hardware serial? |
| [01:04:06] | wagnerrp: | there's probably one on the board |
| [01:04:17] | wagnerrp: | although i'm going to tell you, whatever you're going to suggest won't work |
| [01:04:31] | clever: | wagnerrp: if you boot it up with a command like console=ttyS1,115200, then printk goes out the serial port |
| [01:04:35] | sphery: | sheppard: then vote with your wallet, cancel cable, and then use OTA and buy any series on DVD/BluRay that are cable only and that you want to watch |
| [01:04:39] | sphery: | sheppard: that's what I do |
| [01:04:45] | wagnerrp: | yeah... can't do command lines |
| [01:04:56] | clever: | wagnerrp: no access to the bootloader? |
| [01:05:05] | sphery: | sheppard: either that or get in there and improve the drivers yourself (i.e. scratch your own itch :) |
| [01:05:09] | wagnerrp: | no, i have access to the boot loader |
| [01:05:14] | sheppard: | sphery: haha, if only |
| [01:05:58] | wagnerrp: | *hint* i'm not running linux |
| [01:06:04] | clever: | wagnerrp: oh! |
| [01:06:12] | clever: | ok, that makes things more interesting |
| [01:06:16] | sheppard: | bsd? |
| [01:06:17] | sheppard: | sco? |
| [01:06:17] | sphery: | sheppard: fwiw, cancelling cable and buying DVDs of the cable-only shows I want to see has been significantly less expensive than a cable subscription |
| [01:06:25] | wagnerrp: | bsd |
| [01:06:40] | wagnerrp: | bah! |
| [01:06:41] | sphery: | I thought SCO was just Linux before Linux copied all the code |
| [01:06:53] | wagnerrp: | go through all this rush to get my master backend back up by 8pm |
| [01:07:01] | wagnerrp: | turns out there's not even anything recording tonight |
| [01:07:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ah, you gave up on Bones |
| [01:08:31] | sphery: | I have that + The Following + Deception + The Carrie Diaries--though I haven't watched any of the last 3 |
| [01:09:17] | wagnerrp: | deception sounds like a soap opera. i've heard bad things about the following. the carrie diaries? sounds like something on CW |
| [01:09:39] | wagnerrp: | is that that sex in the city prequel? |
| [01:11:51] | sphery: | hehe, carrie diaries is cw |
| [01:11:58] | sphery: | no clue what it is--was just a new series |
| [01:12:15] | sphery: | I'll admit deception ads I've seen do make it look like a soap |
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| [01:12:57] | sphery: | will probably delete without watching, but as long as I can record it and decide later (with knowledge of cancellation, etc.)... |
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| [02:19:41] | sheppard: | does anyone know of an hdmi capture card that'll also do dd5.1? |
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| [02:36:49] | Korny: | evening |
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| [02:59:06] | Korny: | Any know if mythtv has any issues accessing media over a NFS share? |
| [02:59:37] | sheppard: | god I hope not |
| [03:00:11] | Korny: | I can't believe the difference in throughput between a samba share and nfs |
| [03:00:19] | Korny: | I just setup an unraid box |
| [03:00:54] | wagnerrp: | mythtv cannot access media over NFS. it can only access media from the filesystem or from its own internal protocol |
| [03:00:58] | sheppard: | nfs should be better |
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| [03:01:48] | Korny: | wagnerrp, but if its mounted in /media or /mnt it should be fine ? |
| [03:02:03] | wagnerrp: | if it's mounted to the filesystem outside of mythtv, it should work fine |
| [03:05:40] | Korny: | I'm learning more and more about linux, fun thing is I'm beginning to get profficent enough that I understand why people enjoy headless/no gui servers |
| [03:06:17] | wagnerrp: | even more importantly, you can have a headless server stuffed in some deep, dark corner of your basement... and still get that GUI |
| [03:07:04] | Korny: | Thats eventually whats going to happen to my unraid box |
| [03:08:10] | Korny: | I'm amazed at the speed difference between a 7200 rpm seagate and a wd green....and heat generation |
| [03:08:35] | wagnerrp: | usually about 30% higher on both |
| [03:08:41] | Korny: | 138 vs 168 |
| [03:08:54] | Korny: | MB/s |
| [03:09:02] | wagnerrp: | that's only on the outer track |
| [03:09:04] | Korny: | sequential write |
| [03:09:10] | Korny: | I'm preclearing a disk |
| [03:09:16] | Korny: | for unraid |
| [03:09:36] | wagnerrp: | unraid doesn't take care of initialization for you? |
| [03:09:42] | Korny: | it does |
| [03:10:54] | Korny: | but this way when I add it to the array it accepts it instantly. the preclear writes every spot on the the HD and stress tests it, I ran my new wd reds through 3 cycles |
| [03:11:23] | Korny: | Its more efficent to run the preclear from a sh outside the array |
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| [03:13:43] | Korny: | What really surprised me is how much faster ahci mode is versus legacy IDE |
| [03:15:28] | runelind: | wagnerrp: if I'm running into delayed write issues on my mythbackend, where would I look for it in the logs? |
| [03:15:48] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [03:15:58] | runelind: | 0.26 on FreeBSD |
| [03:16:14] | runelind: | with a ZFS filesystem |
| [03:16:57] | wagnerrp: | danielk made some change last year that basically removed all my delayed write issues |
| [03:17:04] | wagnerrp: | it may not have made it back to 0.26 |
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| [03:18:04] | runelind: | I'm running into issues where if I start watching a show while its being recorded, the recording will cut off most of the time. |
| [03:18:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, this change basically removed that issue |
| [03:19:04] | runelind: | is 0.27 in the ports tree? |
| [03:19:15] | wagnerrp: | don't know, never used the ports build |
| [03:19:21] | wagnerrp: | i've always built manually |
| [03:19:55] | runelind: | bah |
| [03:19:57] | wagnerrp: | be aware i've been getting segfaults and bus faults for over a month now on master |
| [03:20:31] | runelind: | so...what to do... |
| [03:24:06] | runelind: | how can I tell for sure if I'm running into the delayed write issue – or is that the symptom? |
| [03:24:29] | wagnerrp: | i'm not sure what you mean |
| [03:25:18] | runelind: | is the cut off recordings the symptom of delayed writes, or is there some way to tell for sure that's what I'm running into? |
| [03:26:01] | wagnerrp: | if you check the logs, you will see mythbackend reporting it queue up 128MB of video in its write buffer, and aborted the recording |
| [03:26:38] | runelind: | that's the thing, I don't get mythbackend logs every day. |
| [03:26:52] | runelind: | or is it in a different log? |
| [03:27:13] | wagnerrp: | depends... how are you logging? |
| [03:27:37] | runelind: | I'd have to check... |
| [03:27:56] | wagnerrp: | probably /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mythbackend |
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| [03:28:55] | runelind: | wagnerrp: I have the standard mythbackend startup script |
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| [03:29:07] | runelind: | I can paste it |
| [03:29:12] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what the standard ports startup script looks like |
| [03:29:15] | wagnerrp: | never used it |
| [03:30:36] | runelind: | http://pastie.org/6386543 |
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| [03:31:53] | wagnerrp: | so --logpath |
| [03:32:14] | wagnerrp: | each time mythbackend runs, it will create a new log file, where the filename contains the timestamp and PID |
| [03:34:26] | runelind: | yeah, I have 7 mythbackend log files out of 2709 files in that directory. |
| [03:34:48] | wagnerrp: | 2709 files... |
| [03:35:44] | wagnerrp: | i use this... http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/packaging/tree/Ge . . . ogcleanup.py |
| [03:39:02] | runelind: | what arguments does it want? |
| [03:39:08] | wagnerrp: | --help |
| [03:39:14] | wagnerrp: | it requires none to run |
| [03:41:35] | runelind: | ok, that helped a lot |
| [03:42:26] | runelind: | have 5 mythbackend log files now |
| [03:44:15] | runelind: | anything I should grep for in the log? It is quite huge |
| [03:44:54] | wagnerrp: | whatever logs when it warns you of a delayed write |
| [03:45:14] | wagnerrp: | add an '-A4' or something to catch what happens after |
| [03:45:35] | runelind: | I'm not getting any warnings at all, the recording just cuts off. |
| [03:45:52] | wagnerrp: | why did you bring up the delayed write issue then? |
| [03:46:00] | runelind: | you brought it up ;p |
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| [03:46:34] | wagnerrp: | "<runelind> wagnerrp: if I'm running into delayed write issues on my mythbackend..." |
| [03:51:13] | runelind: | *if* ;p |
| [03:51:58] | runelind: | I'm trying to figure out why the recordings are cutting off, and you asked about delayed writes |
| [03:52:03] | runelind: | and got my hopes up ;p |
| [03:52:34] | wagnerrp: | i didn't bring them up, you did |
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| [03:55:22] | runelind: | and I asked if my cut off recordings were a symptom of delayed writes, or if it could be something else |
| [03:55:28] | runelind: | my apologies for confusing things. |
| [03:57:06] | Korny: | Could your time be off on the PC? |
| [03:57:11] | ** Korny scratches his head ** | |
| [03:58:13] | neon__: | My cable box has a USB port. I wonder if it is possible to capture video through that port |
| [03:58:32] | [R]: | neon__: no |
| [03:58:43] | wagnerrp: | that's typically only used for firmware updates and debugging |
| [03:59:00] | neon__: | bummer |
| [03:59:12] | Korny: | If it has firewire you may be in luck though |
| [03:59:48] | neon__: | I don't remember seeing firewire |
| [04:00:10] | wagnerrp: | was firewire capture ever common outside of north america and japan? |
| [04:00:19] | runelind: | Korny: no, I have an internal NTP server that I sync all my machines to. |
| [04:00:44] | neon__: | do people hack these boxes? |
| [04:01:55] | wagnerrp: | isn't this a rented box? |
| [04:02:28] | neon__: | yes |
| [04:02:52] | wagnerrp: | so that's not really an option, even if it were something that people did |
| [04:03:37] | Korny: | That reminds me I need to return the POS comcast SD cablebox they sent gave me when they told me they didn't charge for the first box(they count my cable card as a box) |
| [04:04:07] | wagnerrp: | there used to be a line of linux-based DVB-S boxes that people would purchase and hack |
| [04:04:31] | wagnerrp: | although that is generally frowned upon any longer, since most of the people who use those these days do so to steal satellite service |
| [04:04:46] | Korny: | wagnerrp, there were scripts for mythtv as well.... |
| [04:04:55] | Korny: | Dreambox wasn't it? |
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| [04:05:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah. it used to have it's own input type built into mythtv |
| [04:05:51] | wagnerrp: | but that was removed prior to 0.21, or 0.22 |
| [04:05:57] | wagnerrp: | some time several years ago |
| [04:06:34] | runelind: | what is the bitrate of the comcast HD streams, somewhere around 4–5mbit/sec – right? |
| [04:06:47] | runelind: | I wouldn't think my system would have any issue reading and writing those kinds of files. |
| [04:06:51] | wagnerrp: | add a one to the front of that |
| [04:06:52] | Korny: | Rune my recordings average about 6 gigs an hour |
| [04:06:59] | Korny: | for HD from comcast |
| [04:07:01] | Korny: | well 5–6 |
| [04:07:15] | wagnerrp: | still, your system shouldn't have any issue handling it |
| [04:07:25] | runelind: | the backend is a hexcore box with 16GB ram |
| [04:07:39] | Korny: | runelind, sounds like my box I am replacing lol |
| [04:08:51] | Korny: | 1055t with 16 gigs of ram |
| [04:09:17] | runelind: | Korny: yeah, that sounds about right |
| [04:09:39] | Korny: | I'm replacing mine because I hooked up a kill-a-watt to it |
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| [04:10:27] | runelind: | yeah, I have 12 drives in mine, so it is probably using a ton of power. |
| [04:10:42] | Korny: | Mine had 11 |
| [04:10:51] | runelind: | have a 750W PSU I think. |
| [04:10:55] | Korny: | I'm seperating my setup to two lower powered boxes |
| [04:11:07] | runelind: | I have an esxi box sitting next to it. |
| [04:11:15] | runelind: | whih is probably drawing a lot of power too |
| [04:11:23] | runelind: | how much was yours pulling out of curiosity? |
| [04:11:35] | Korny: | 1 unraid box and a combined backend/frontend for my living room running a 3220t(35watt chip) |
| [04:11:41] | Korny: | Idled around 160–170 |
| [04:11:52] | runelind: | that's not terrible |
| [04:12:03] | Korny: | encoding with handbrake was over 350 |
| [04:12:12] | runelind: | I don't do any encoding on it. |
| [04:12:15] | Korny: | runelind, my current box idles at 30 :P |
| [04:12:38] | wagnerrp: | between my MBE (dual core, 14 drives), a SBE/FE (dual core, 3 more drives, three tuners), firewall, modem, wifi ap, 2x8-port switches, hdhr, pots ata... i'm running around 300W measured on my UPS |
| [04:12:55] | runelind: | oh yeah, I can just run up and check my UPS |
| [04:13:02] | Korny: | which isn't bad wagnerrp |
| [04:13:43] | Korny: | I'm hoping to save about 20 dollars a month in electiricty with the change in setup |
| [04:14:04] | Korny: | its not a lot, but every little bit counts |
| [04:14:31] | wagnerrp: | i still don't see the purpose of unraid |
| [04:14:44] | runelind: | 360W on mine |
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| [04:15:17] | runelind: | for a couple of servers, a 24 port Cisco GigE switch and a Cisco ASA firewall. |
| [04:15:30] | Korny: | wagnerrp, its for lazy people who want an appliance like box |
| [04:15:57] | wagnerrp: | i see it less for "lazy", and more for "non-committing" |
| [04:16:06] | Korny: | non committing? |
| [04:16:07] | Korny: | ow so |
| [04:16:10] | Korny: | *how so |
| [04:16:20] | wagnerrp: | the only value in unraid is that you can detach the drives and use them independently |
| [04:16:25] | wagnerrp: | why would you ever want to do that? |
| [04:16:33] | Korny: | its basically raid 4 |
| [04:16:44] | Korny: | wagnerrp, why not? |
| [04:16:46] | wagnerrp: | i just see it as someone unwilling to commit to a proper raid configuration |
| [04:16:55] | runelind: | ZFS FTW |
| [04:16:58] | tgm4883: | unraid? |
| [04:17:07] | Korny: | What do I gain from a proper raid 5 config? I don't need the performance |
| [04:17:17] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: independent drives with a shared parity disk |
| [04:17:33] | Korny: | I enjoy being able to spin down all my disks except the one being accessed |
| [04:17:34] | tgm4883: | I wonder if that is the same type of tech in my NAS |
| [04:18:06] | wagnerrp: | use a prefetch |
| [04:18:18] | wagnerrp: | give ZFS a chunk of SSD |
| [04:18:34] | wagnerrp: | it will spin up the drive, dump the whole file onto the SSD, and then spin them back down |
| [04:19:21] | runelind: | unless ZFS is the cause of the recording issues, then I hate it. |
| [04:19:38] | runelind: | wagnerrp: yeah, I've thought about adding an L2ARC |
| [04:19:43] | runelind: | and a ZIL |
| [04:21:11] | tgm4883: | this unraid thing sounds similar to what my diskstation does |
| [04:21:39] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, if it is, it's easier to upgrade drives this way |
| [04:22:43] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to planning out your storage needs and buying them up front |
| [04:23:38] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I've got 2TB drives in my NAS giving me about 5 TB of storage available. I didn't really want to pay the premium for 4TB drives when I built this (1 year ago), but when I need more storage, 4TB drives should be much cheaper |
| [04:25:20] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, what would be the benefit of doing raid 5 for home storage? Particularly raid 5 over this "hybrid raid/unraid" setup |
| [04:26:05] | wagnerrp: | honestly, i wouldn't use raid5... i'd at least do 6 |
| [04:26:29] | Korny: | tgm4883, disk upgrades are easy with unraid, if 4tb drives come down in price, just put a 4tb a parity and you can either just swap out drives or add them to the array |
| [04:26:50] | tgm4883: | Korny, that is what I'm saying, that is exactly what I can do with mine |
| [04:26:52] | wagnerrp: | but if you swap out disks in unraid, you're right back to rebuilding each new disk sequentially |
| [04:27:07] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, ok, but what is the benefit of raid 6 over that? |
| [04:27:08] | wagnerrp: | so there's no advantage over a traditional raid |
| [04:27:18] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, but what is the disadvantage? |
| [04:27:35] | Korny: | wagnerrp, so you have to rebuild the parity drive? doesn't take that long |
| [04:27:48] | wagnerrp: | very poor write performance |
| [04:27:51] | Korny: | if you add a drive its empty so no new party is created |
| [04:28:04] | Korny: | wagnerrp, yes and no, unraid supports a cache drive... |
| [04:28:13] | wagnerrp: | different read performance (higher I/O, lower sequential throughput) |
| [04:28:32] | Korny: | For media storage does write or read performance really matter? |
| [04:28:47] | Korny: | I can saturate my gigabit network serving files |
| [04:29:27] | wagnerrp: | it just seems.... "wrong" somehow |
| [04:29:47] | Korny: | Also each disk in the array can be accesss individually as well |
| [04:29:59] | wagnerrp: | right, higher I/O |
| [04:30:41] | Korny: | Or like in the case of mythtv I could do a NFS mount to each disk instead of the pooling feature found in unraid |
| [04:31:07] | tgm4883: | Korny, you would lose redundancy though |
| [04:31:13] | Korny: | tgm4883, no |
| [04:31:17] | Korny: | not with unraid |
| [04:31:35] | Korny: | each disk is independent with a parity drive |
| [04:31:58] | runelind: | sounds like a drobo |
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| [04:32:21] | Korny: | http://www.lime-technology.com/ |
| [04:32:37] | tgm4883: | Korny, I've got this one http://www.synology.com/products/product.php? . . . &lang=us |
| [04:32:43] | tgm4883: | well, the DS411j |
| [04:33:46] | Korny: | probably pretty similar unraid is scaleable upto 22 data disks |
| [04:34:00] | tgm4883: | Korny, I'd assume it's similar |
| [04:34:17] | tgm4883: | not sure how it works having a single parity disk for multiple hard disks |
| [04:35:11] | runelind: | is it file level raid as opposed to block level? |
| [04:35:31] | wagnerrp: | zfs is file-level, unraid is block level |
| [04:38:44] | wagnerrp: | think i can use svideo as headphone wire? |
| [04:39:09] | Korny: | lol why not |
| [04:39:37] | Korny: | most cheap headphones are a couple of hairs like copper wires |
| [04:39:59] | wagnerrp: | this is actually 4-channel into a control unit for speakers |
| [04:40:27] | wagnerrp: | but i want it to be longer, and one of the plugs is failing anyway |
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| [04:48:25] | Korny: | So let me get you guy's opinion on a drive I have. Its a 1.5 seagate 5900 rpm, its had a smart warning of realocated sectors however its below the threshhold and has performed flawlessly since I've bought it, would you be worried about the smart warning(its not going in the array) |
| [04:48:53] | wagnerrp: | is it under warranty? |
| [04:49:14] | Korny: | hmmm I don't believe so, its not that many sectors |
| [04:49:21] | Korny: | and has been that way for years |
| [04:51:06] | Korny: | I had read that all drives have some bad sectors, just usually we don't even notice them because HD manufactors add a little extra bit of capacity for reallocation |
| [05:01:14] | sheppard: | ideally |
| [05:07:03] | runelind: | ugh, why is RAM so expensive all of a sudden? |
| [05:07:12] | sheppard: | thought it went the other way |
| [05:07:23] | sheppard: | or arey ou buying not ddr3 |
| [05:07:36] | runelind: | I bought 16GB of DDR3 like a month ago for $60 |
| [05:07:40] | runelind: | now it is $100 |
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| [05:08:33] | wagnerrp: | i bought it a week ago for like $65 |
| [05:08:38] | wagnerrp: | at microcenter |
| [05:09:02] | sheppard: | well |
| [05:09:08] | sheppard: | 32gb density is expensive |
| [05:10:25] | runelind: | wagnerrp: that's where I got mine |
| [05:11:11] | Korny: | I miss microcenter, I had one in the Twin Cities, my wife called it nerdy store |
| [05:11:15] | runelind: | cheapest I see at MC is $85 |
| [05:11:30] | sheppard: | wow |
| [05:11:32] | sheppard: | it has gone up |
| [05:11:35] | runelind: | the exact set I'd like to get is $109 |
| [05:11:49] | runelind: | which is the one I got for $60 not too long ago. |
| [05:11:56] | sheppard: | I bought some 8gb kingston dimms in august of last year for $69 now they are $94 |
| [05:12:05] | runelind: | and I think $109 is up from a few weeks ago. |
| [05:12:13] | runelind: | must be a shortage. |
| [05:12:36] | sheppard: | or more price fixing |
| [05:12:51] | sheppard: | my supplier has 1200 units in stock |
| [05:13:00] | runelind: | wagnerrp: I think with 16GB RAM, I shouldn't really need an L2ARC |
| [05:13:07] | runelind: | I'm not doing a ton on that box. |
| [05:13:40] | runelind: | 14GB is wired to ZFS I think. |
| [05:14:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah... svideo makes bad stereo cable |
| [05:14:15] | wagnerrp: | i'd need to make baluns to use it |
| [05:15:56] | wagnerrp: | wow, they actually make 16GB DR dimms |
| [05:16:09] | wagnerrp: | didn't think they had module density up that high yet |
| [05:16:16] | wagnerrp: | i figured they would have to be QR dimms |
| [05:17:27] | wagnerrp: | sheppard: newegg has 8GB dimms for $45 |
| [05:19:34] | sheppard: | wagnerrp: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139140 |
| [05:19:41] | sheppard: | vs http://www.directdial.com/KVR1333D3D4R9S/8G.html |
| [05:19:47] | sheppard: | which is lols |
| [05:20:37] | neon__: | how is this Avertv USB HD DVR? http://www.provantage.com/aver-information-mt . . . 7AVED049.htm |
| [05:21:01] | wagnerrp: | sheppard: you have an opteron/xeon? |
| [05:21:01] | Korny: | Is that just a rebadged haupague? |
| [05:21:08] | sheppard: | two of them in fact |
| [05:21:33] | neon__: | idk |
| [05:21:35] | sheppard: | dual e5–2620 |
| [05:21:38] | wagnerrp: | neon__: chances are very good it will not work with linux or mythtv |
| [05:21:56] | wagnerrp: | i would be nice if that directdial showed you an actual picture... |
| [05:21:58] | neon__: | aha |
| [05:22:19] | sheppard: | wagnerrp: lol. |
| [05:22:23] | neon__: | you think it would work with windows MC? |
| [05:22:38] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to some random image for "illustration purposes" |
| [05:22:54] | sheppard: | wagnerrp: it's ram, you want more info/ buy it. |
| [05:23:01] | sheppard: | (sarcasm) |
| [05:23:45] | wagnerrp: | this stuff is better... http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Ite . . . 820139978CVF |
| [05:23:53] | wagnerrp: | not much more expensive |
| [05:23:55] | runelind: | It'd be an interesting test to open my recordings with VLC rather than MFE to see if that still breaks the recording. |
| [05:24:59] | wagnerrp: | bit cheaper... http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148641 |
| [05:25:32] | sheppard: | wagnerrp: why, registered is supposedly more stable |
| [05:25:49] | wagnerrp: | it's all registered |
| [05:25:51] | sheppard: | for the kingston unbuffered |
| [05:25:59] | wagnerrp: | was it unbuffered? |
| [05:26:05] | sheppard: | http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Ite . . . 820139978CVF |
| [05:26:16] | wagnerrp: | ah, my mistake |
| [05:26:23] | wagnerrp: | anyway, the crucial stuff is better |
| [05:26:33] | sheppard: | also, I already have 64gb of the kingston stuff in the box, not gonna make it grumpy by switching vendors, or mix and matching |
| [05:26:45] | wagnerrp: | denser modules, fewer ranks... easier on the memory controller |
| [05:26:50] | neon__: | is there a difference between composite and component of USA and Europe? |
| [05:27:09] | wagnerrp: | component? there is no difference |
| [05:27:21] | wagnerrp: | composite? north america uses NTSC, while europe uses PAL |
| [05:27:44] | wagnerrp: | although generally any baseband capture device can handle both NTSC and PAL |
| [05:27:54] | wagnerrp: | you only have to worry about format differences if you're using the tuner |
| [05:28:23] | neon__: | I will use only composite and component |
| [05:29:02] | neon__: | this avertv don't have radio frequency tuner anyway |
| [05:30:46] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [05:30:59] | wagnerrp: | japan has reversed its decision and is turning its reactors back on |
| [05:33:47] | sheppard: | smart move |
| [05:34:48] | neon__: | Q: Is AVerTV USB HD DVR compatible with Windows Media Center? A: |
| [05:34:48] | neon__: | AVerTV USB HD DVR does not natively support Windows Media Center, but can be configured to work with Windows Media Center with DVBLink. Please refer to the link below regarding DVBlink. |
| [05:35:05] | runelind: | when I'm recording stuff, I'm using the Default recording profile – should I be using this or something else like LiveTV or High Quality? |
| [05:35:06] | wagnerrp: | neon__: mythtv has nothing to do with WMC |
| [05:36:02] | neon__: | ok. I was just reading the FAQ, and found that weird. |
| [05:38:12] | wagnerrp: | i guess WMC is only designed to use tuners, and needs help to capture from something without a tuner |
| [05:39:59] | neon__: | would there be a problem because of 50 pps 60 pps? |
| [05:40:10] | wagnerrp: | fps? |
| [05:40:27] | wagnerrp: | no. capture devices can typically adjust |
| [05:40:41] | wagnerrp: | the problem usually only exists in the tuner |
| [05:41:38] | neon__: | so basically, for component and composite, I can get the usb capture device from the USA, right? |
| [05:42:04] | wagnerrp: | that device specifically, i wouldn't expect to be able to use with mythtv |
| [05:42:19] | Korny: | I personally would just get http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1212-Definiti . . . p/B0018LX0DY |
| [05:42:44] | Korny: | or actually get the newer model |
| [05:42:47] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR linked there is the only one i know of that will capture HD and is compatible with mythtv |
| [05:43:04] | wagnerrp: | don't get the newer model, the newer model is not supported in linux |
| [05:43:15] | Korny: | oh really? |
| [05:43:16] | wagnerrp: | it uses a completely different chipset |
| [05:43:31] | wagnerrp: | you're talking about the HDPVR2? |
| [05:43:48] | Korny: | yes |
| [05:44:00] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR2 is not supported in linux, and the colossus has no publicly available drivers |
| [05:44:12] | Korny: | I really wish the colossus would :( |
| [05:44:46] | Korny: | You know darn well the studios are trying to get rid of component inputs |
| [05:45:13] | wagnerrp: | the colossus wouldn't help in that regard |
| [05:45:21] | wagnerrp: | it would still have to capture component |
| [05:45:43] | neon__: | "Generates H.264 at Baseline Profile 1.0 only — not the High Profile 4.1 that x264.exe-based programs generate. The Baseline H.264 quality is not as good as the High Profile quality using the same bit rate. |
| [05:46:22] | wagnerrp: | level 1.0 is like the worst cell phone video you've ever seen |
| [05:46:39] | Korny: | HD-PVR's quality aren't that horrible |
| [05:46:40] | wagnerrp: | terribly pathetic macroblock rates |
| [05:46:55] | wagnerrp: | if that's a comment on the HDPVR, the commenter is an idiot |
| [05:47:11] | Korny: | it is |
| [05:48:33] | Korny: | I'd like to get one for the channels that comcast copy flags, but not sure how hard setting up the remote blaster is |
| [05:49:15] | neon__: | "The sound is always lagging a few seconds behind when recording surround sound. Lousy product. Tried tech support with no luck and countless hours of troubleshooting. Many complaints on the internet about this product. Does anyone know of a class action suit going against this company? |
| [05:50:22] | wagnerrp: | the user was probably feeding the passthrough audio directly to his speakers, and doesn't understand that capture, compression, transfer, and decompression will introduce a several second lag |
| [05:50:59] | wagnerrp: | had the user actually been outputting audio from their playback device, there would be an echo from the delayed audio |
| [05:51:17] | Korny: | neon__, many users use it succuessfully |
| [05:51:29] | wagnerrp: | be careful reading user reviews from places like amazon |
| [05:51:34] | wagnerrp: | most users are idiots |
| [05:51:45] | jpabq: | With some STBs (notably Dish Network), people have had trouble getting AC3 via s/pdif to stay in sync. With other STBs (e.g. Directv) AC3 capture via s/pdif is perfectly in sync. |
| [05:52:05] | neon__: | there should be a law against idiots |
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| [05:53:09] | wagnerrp: | back when framegrabbers were more common, and there were garbage cheap framegrabbers with no internal audio capture |
| [05:53:23] | wagnerrp: | we had tons of users who would complain that their audio was out of sync |
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| [05:53:48] | wagnerrp: | because they never actually set their sound cards for capture, and were just passing the audio straight through |
| [05:54:17] | neon__: | how is the CPU usage with framegrabbers? |
| [05:54:44] | wagnerrp: | considering the CPU has to compress the captured video in real time, high |
| [05:55:28] | wagnerrp: | although that was high 10 years ago |
| [05:55:38] | wagnerrp: | on a modern system, it would hardly be noticeable |
| [05:55:44] | Korny: | Cell phones today are more powerfull lol |
| [05:56:21] | neon__: | if so, then why invest in hardware encoders today? |
| [05:56:31] | Korny: | Like whaT? |
| [05:56:33] | wagnerrp: | convenience |
| [05:56:48] | Korny: | offloading is always nice |
| [05:56:56] | wagnerrp: | it's worth my time to spend $20 on a used PVR-150 that "just works" |
| [05:57:12] | wagnerrp: | rather than spending hours trying to fiddle around with some $5 bargain bin framegrabber |
| [05:57:51] | wagnerrp: | note that is only for SD content... HD is an entirely different matter |
| [05:57:59] | neon__: | but my choices for usb devices are in the 100$+ range, while framegrabbers I can get for 25$ |
| [05:58:42] | wagnerrp: | the need for USB does heavily restrict your options |
| [05:59:18] | ** Korny hugs his HD Homeruns ** | |
| [05:59:23] | wagnerrp: | of course it also makes a hardware encoder that much more valuable |
| [05:59:31] | wagnerrp: | uncompressed video is very large |
| [05:59:33] | wagnerrp: | and USB sucks |
| [06:00:21] | wagnerrp: | i wouldn't expect a USB framegrabber to operate reliably unless it were given its own root hub |
| [06:00:44] | Korny: | TO bad that can't make an HD-PVR thats attaches to a gigabit netowrk :) |
| [06:01:22] | wagnerrp: | an HDPVR dumps about a tenth the data as a framegrabber |
| [06:01:43] | Korny: | because it's doing the encoding onboard |
| [06:01:57] | Korny: | I was implying more for the simplicity of it |
| [06:01:58] | wagnerrp: | even running HD, rather than SD |
| [06:06:53] | neon__: | I think maybe cpu usage is still high: http://forum.vidblaster.com/archive/index.php/t-1664.html |
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| [06:08:55] | wagnerrp: | understand that they are using multiple cameras, and compressing to h264 for transmission over the internet |
| [06:09:19] | wagnerrp: | mythtv only supports the cheaper mpeg4 asp (divx/xvid), and the much cheaper rtjpeg |
| [06:09:43] | ** Korny wishes mythtv could do something like emit does ** | |
| [06:10:20] | Korny: | I'm not sure why, but streaming with mythtv isn't nearly as robust as emit seems to be |
| [06:10:21] | wagnerrp: | that would be the kind of CPU usage you might expect were you trying to use the HLS server to stream to a phone or tablet |
| [06:10:26] | neon__: | ah, right it is only 15% with one camera on |
| [06:10:51] | wagnerrp: | emit? |
| [06:11:17] | Korny: | sorry emit is an app that encodes media for play remotrely |
| [06:11:28] | Korny: | Sigh I can't type today |
| [06:11:43] | wagnerrp: | it's a rather tough word to search for, got a link? |
| [06:12:03] | Korny: | It uses ffmpeg to encode x264 |
| [06:12:18] | wagnerrp: | you mean it uses x264 to encode h264 |
| [06:12:32] | Korny: | You know what I mean :) |
| [06:13:12] | Korny: | I run it on my server and use mythlink to play files remotely vs using mythtvs HLS stream |
| [06:13:14] | Korny: | https://www.emitapp.com/ |
| [06:13:57] | wagnerrp: | download mobile app... so it's a custom protocol |
| [06:14:54] | Korny: | it uses HLS and RTSP |
| [06:14:57] | Korny: | for streaming |
| [06:15:44] | Korny: | you choose the resolution and bitrate manually |
| [06:16:15] | Korny: | honestly its not that much different then what mythtv does, but it seems so much more robust with streaming |
| [06:16:20] | wagnerrp: | is the encoding profile still hard coded in myth's HLS server? |
| [06:16:41] | wagnerrp: | at one point, it was hard coded to High L1.3 |
| [06:17:11] | wagnerrp: | which worked fine for low resolution phones, but looked awful if you tried to do anything at any significant resolution |
| [06:17:23] | wagnerrp: | since it was artificially restricting macroblock rates |
| [06:17:38] | Korny: | oh if you give it enough resolution and bitrates they look fine |
| [06:18:08] | wagnerrp: | this would have set an artificial upper limit on the effective bitrate |
| [06:18:27] | Korny: | Fine on my htc evo 4glte |
| [06:19:22] | wagnerrp: | i don't seem to be able to type 'less than' characters |
| [06:19:26] | wagnerrp: | everything is a > |
| [06:19:54] | wagnerrp: | must have screwed up my keyboard map somehow |
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| [17:06:09] | neon__: | I read a bit about software vs hardware encoding, and people say that the slowest software encoding produce better quality videos |
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| [17:06:53] | neon__: | than hardware encoders, (except the very expensive 10,000$ ones) |
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| [17:08:38] | tgm4883: | neon__, link? |
| [17:11:50] | neon__: | http://www.oocities.org/ronsutton1957/softwar . . . _encodin.htm |
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| [17:15:28] | tgm4883: | that is literally a geocities site |
| [17:15:43] | tgm4883: | I haven't seen one of those in a long, long time |
| [17:16:19] | tgm4883: | neon__, so the info you're looking at is 10+ years old |
| [17:18:35] | tgm4883: | neon__, what are you trying to do? just pick a tuner? |
| [17:20:55] | neon__: | "In general, from lowest to highest quality: realtime software encoding, realtime hardware encoding, slow software encoding." http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/344207-Har . . . -or-Software 5th Mar 2012 10:58 |
| [17:21:23] | tgm4883: | neon__, ok, but what are you trying to do? |
| [17:21:31] | wagnerrp: | and considering everything must be encoded in real time |
| [17:21:42] | wagnerrp: | that ranks hardware encoding higher than software encoding |
| [17:22:11] | neon__: | tgm4883, I have two goals, 1. convert camcorder tapes to digital, 2. record tv like a VCR for later viewing |
| [17:22:38] | tgm4883: | meh, set a high bitrate and be done with it |
| [17:23:01] | tgm4883: | neon__, where in the world are you located? |
| [17:23:19] | wagnerrp: | israel, he wants to record off his cable bo |
| [17:23:20] | wagnerrp: | x |
| [17:23:27] | neon__: | wagnerrp, I think they mean to capture raw first, and then slowly convert the raw into encoded |
| [17:23:29] | tgm4883: | ah |
| [17:23:46] | tgm4883: | capture raw? |
| [17:23:56] | wagnerrp: | that's a pretty poor idea, considering just how much data "raw video" is |
| [17:24:03] | neon__: | yes, that is how they do it |
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| [17:24:23] | wagnerrp: | by "they", you mean professional studios with tons of hardware |
| [17:24:25] | neon__: | I read 10GB/60min |
| [17:24:27] | wagnerrp: | not someone with a laptop |
| [17:24:28] | tgm4883: | if you are going to capture raw, why wouldn't you just set a sufficiently high bitrate on your hardware encoder |
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| [17:24:43] | wagnerrp: | you read wrong |
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| [17:24:51] | neon__: | ? |
| [17:24:53] | wagnerrp: | 1080i30 raws are around 700Mbps |
| [17:24:53] | ** tgm4883 agrees ** | |
| [17:25:13] | wagnerrp: | that's 2.5TB/hr |
| [17:25:16] | neon__: | my camcorder is not 1080i |
| [17:25:22] | neon__: | (tapes) |
| [17:25:30] | neon__: | I am not sure how much they are |
| [17:25:45] | tgm4883: | neon__, what camcorder? |
| [17:25:47] | wagnerrp: | standard definition DV is 200Mbps |
| [17:25:52] | neon__: | if I had 1080i camcorder it would have already been digital |
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| [17:26:04] | neon__: | no it is 8 something video8? |
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| [17:27:45] | tgm4883: | 10GB/hour sounds on the high side for compressed HD video |
| [17:27:53] | neon__: | so DV is about 90GB/hour |
| [17:27:53] | tgm4883: | you're talking SD |
| [17:28:56] | tgm4883: | which brings me back to my original thought. Why not just set the bitrate on the hardware encoder high enough to not have to deal with all this extra software encoding? |
| [17:28:59] | neon__: | it is of the regular old 1990s video camcorder |
| [17:29:55] | neon__: | tgm4883, I read quality will be better, and that if you save family old videos, it may be worth the effort (of the computer). |
| [17:30:23] | tgm4883: | neon__, at high enough bitrates, you'd have diminishing returns |
| [17:30:39] | tgm4883: | eg. you won't be able to tell the difference |
| [17:30:43] | tgm4883: | IMO anyway |
| [17:30:52] | neon__: | with mpeg-2? |
| [17:31:21] | tgm4883: | with any encoder |
| [17:31:30] | tgm4883: | err, format |
| [17:31:37] | tgm4883: | codec? |
| [17:31:50] | neon__: | I have a card with mpeg-2 hardware encoder, and I remember that video looks better on the screen than from the file |
| [17:31:58] | tgm4883: | granted, you'll have larger file sizes |
| [17:32:09] | tgm4883: | looks better on the screen than from the file? |
| [17:32:53] | neon__: | yes, when I played the video and recorded it it looked better, than later when playing the resulting file |
| [17:33:22] | tgm4883: | neon__, that means nothing without knowing what settings you used |
| [17:33:39] | neon__: | it was long time ago, so I don't remember |
| [17:33:50] | tgm4883: | neon__, but I digress, how about the best of both worlds. Get a HDPVR which records directly to h.264 and can do VBR |
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| [17:34:52] | neon__: | I wonder... I read VBR hardware is very expensive |
| [17:35:02] | tgm4883: | neon__, yes, 10 years ago it was |
| [17:35:28] | tgm4883: | neon__, http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html |
| [17:35:33] | neon__: | is it lossless? |
| [17:35:54] | tgm4883: | you're recording an analog signal, so no? |
| [17:36:02] | wagnerrp: | no, the best you're going to get out of lossless is around 3:1 from the raw video |
| [17:36:36] | tgm4883: | neon__, anytime you encode, you lose quality |
| [17:36:50] | tgm4883: | *any time |
| [17:38:30] | neon__: | I guess you are right. Analog has errors. |
| [17:39:25] | jpabq: | neon__: The quality hit is noticeable to me, but very minor. Considering the other options, I am good with it. |
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| [17:40:08] | jpabq: | neon__: I have my HD-PVR configured to record at max bit-rate VBR. The picture is *slightly* softer than the original. |
| [17:40:50] | neon__: | jpabq, my mpeg-2 seem a bit faded |
| [17:40:52] | jpabq: | With max bit-rate VBR, I end up with ~2.5GB/hr at 720p, and ~3.7GB/hr at 1080i. |
| [17:41:38] | jpabq: | If I use max bit-rate CBR instead, then the file size almost doubles, with no noticeable improvement in quality. |
| [17:41:38] | tgm4883: | jpabq, he'd be using it to convert camcorder videos from the 90's |
| [17:41:51] | jpabq: | Ah |
| [17:42:59] | jpabq: | I hooked my old laserdisc player up to mine once. I could not tell any difference in the end result from the original. |
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| [17:53:33] | neon__: | I think HDPVR minimum resolution is 720p |
| [17:53:49] | devinheitmueller: | The HDPVR can do 480i. |
| [17:54:05] | devinheitmueller: | (for standard def capture on s-video or SD component) |
| [17:54:46] | neon__: | ah, right |
| [17:55:08] | neon__: | are old videos 480p? |
| [17:55:18] | devinheitmueller: | Very unlikely. |
| [17:55:28] | neon__: | what are they? |
| [17:55:36] | devinheitmueller: | The only time you find 480p is with progressive scan DVD players. |
| [17:56:01] | neon__: | the FAQ say:"The HD PVR will only work with 480p, 720p, and 1080i. If your system is currently set to 1080p. change it to 1080i." |
| [17:56:13] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, that's a typo. |
| [17:56:30] | devinheitmueller: | It probably does 480p as well, but that's a rarity – almost everything is 480i. |
| [17:56:57] | devinheitmueller: | The point of that sentence appears to have been to make clear that *1080p* isn't supported, but they typo'd the less relevant part of the sentence. |
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| [18:55:46] | bas-t: | hi all |
| [18:57:01] | bas-t: | somebody can tell me what file(s) in the git repo are taking care of the EIT scan? |
| [18:58:55] | bas-t: | Ziggo (the Netherlands) f*ks up their EIT while scanning for more then two days, so I want to give it a shot and alter this default behaviour of the EIT scan |
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| [19:14:49] | bas-t: | Of course this is already in http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10136, |
| [19:15:06] | bas-t: | but I don't like the aproach. |
| [19:15:52] | bas-t: | Besides, I tested the proposed fix and it does not work well enough |
| [19:16:10] | bas-t: | for me anyway |
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| [19:37:06] | bas-t: | that should be: |
| [19:37:10] | bas-t: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10136 |
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