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Tuesday, February 12th, 2013, 00:03 UTC
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[00:08:26] mark2013: Various inconsistencies: With myth audio at Pulse (not stock ALSA), muting with remote will not unmute. Mixer must be opened and "Playback" built-in Audo Analog stereo (PulseAudio Mixer) must have "Mute" unchecked. – Much crosstalk of separate audio and crazy pixilation; using cursor arrows to scroll channels, always results in "Unrecoverable Recorder Error" although no tuners are in use for recording. Occassionaly, o
[00:08:26] mark2013: n exit mythTV backend, error about: Cannot write file: ///test to /home/mythtv
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[01:55:23] Unguided: hello all. Can anyone tell me if either of these would work for a backend only please? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859107052 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859107921
[01:57:07] [R]: anything will work for a backend with varrying definitions of "work"
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[01:59:39] wagnerrp: they're far better than any ARM or Atom backend
[01:59:53] wagnerrp: but limited power is still going to be a concern for a cablecard user
[02:00:15] wagnerrp: especially one with a number of recording rules, or a long history of past recordings
[02:03:22] Unguided: Im having problems getting some of the open source projects to "play nice" together due to incompatibilities. So im trying to figure out how to set them up without having an outrageous utility bill
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[02:39:58] wagnerrp: play nice how?
[02:41:00] wagnerrp: and a "real" processor doesn't necessarily come with a high electrical bill
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[03:18:14] [R]: wagnerrp: isn't there a setting to automatically mark new recordings as "grab metadata" i can't find it?
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[03:20:26] wagnerrp: you enable the job for that recording rule
[03:20:57] [R]: n/m, its doing what i thought it should be
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[03:24:16] mroe: I'm trying to install mythweb on debian wheezy and I'm getting an error
[03:24:45] mroe: is this the right place to ask about my issue or should take my problem to #debian?
[03:24:56] wagnerrp: depends on the error
[03:25:40] mroe: http://pastebin.com/C4Gzd7gf
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[03:26:34] wagnerrp: looks like a debian error
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[13:41:43] GWG: I need a second, possibly third opinion on a problem. I can't seem to resolve it myself.
[13:42:20] GWG: My HDPVR is repeatedly failing recordings
[13:42:53] GWG: I get blanks, I get 10 minutes, then nothing.
[13:43:03] GWG: Sometimes, lsusb no longer even reports it connected
[13:43:13] GWG: I tried swapping the power supply
[13:43:18] GWG: Changing USB ports
[13:43:36] GWG: I need new ideas.
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[13:48:27] stuartm: sounds faulty, warms up causing a bad solder joint to move
[13:50:45] GWG: stuartm: But how do I prove that conclusively?
[13:51:11] GWG: The thing has been running for years now. IT wouldn't surprise me.
[13:53:28] GWG: I hate to shell out $170+ dollars without knowing if it will fix the problem
[13:55:21] GWG: I spoke to Dan Frey, who writes the MythTV Android app, and he mentioned he'd had similar problems with the device.
[13:55:48] GWG: That's why I was wondering if there was something I missed.
[13:56:09] GWG: I could try putting a cooling pad under it to test for overheating.
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[14:04:03] lroe: How do I figure out who manages Debian mythweb package in deb-multimedia?
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[17:56:23] skd5aner: I'd put $10 down that says it's his AC Adapter... they are known to have bad caps
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[18:05:45] Quantum7: In the Release Notes it says, "Provide accurate position/duration/seeking with non-constant frame rates. Note that to get the benefit of these changes for preexisting recordings, it may be necessary to run "mythcommflag --rebuild" on affected recordings."
[18:06:15] Quantum7: ... but mythcommflag --rebuild *.mpg just gives the help file. No clues.
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[18:23:29] sphery: Quantum7: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable
[18:23:59] sphery: and/or actually read the help message you get when you use the wrong syntax
[18:24:03] sphery: :)
[18:25:05] Quantum7: I have of course read the error, but don't know WTF it wants: Boolean type options do not accept values:
[18:25:05] Quantum7: --rebuild
[18:25:06] Quantum7: Received '1091_20130127120000.mpg' but unassociated arguments have not been enabled
[18:25:37] Quantum7: I put in the command exactly as it says in the release notes...
[18:26:19] Quantum7: I don't think the seektable is corrupted anyway, so never would have looked there in the wiki.
[18:26:42] Quantum7: Problem is old recordings (0.24) have commercials flagged all wrong.
[18:27:05] Quantum7: ... for nightly 0.27...
[18:28:28] Quantum7: There is no syntax for the command in the help list, unfortunately, so can't discern what is wrong.
[18:29:52] Quantum7: OK so now I see the syntax. Ty sphery.
[18:31:40] Quantum7: ... Except this does not work either: mythcommflag --file *.mpg --rebuild
[18:32:01] Quantum7: Received '1091_20130131040000.mpg' but unassociated arguments have not been enabled
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[18:35:49] Quantum7: So is it busted?
[18:39:00] Quantum7: OK clearly it's busted. Does not work like it says in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Repairing_the_Seektable
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[18:50:49] sphery: nowhere does it say *.mpg in the wiki...
[18:50:53] jarle: Need to buy a new gfx-card for my mythtv frontend. Seems like GeForce 210 GPU is the cheapest I can get that support VDPAU feature set "C". Any reason to chose a more expensive card for a frontend (for VDPAU playback)?
[18:51:48] sphery: with CPU decode and VDPAU rendering, any will work (regardless of feature set :)
[18:52:24] sphery: that said, people do make comments about the ability of various ones to do advanced 2x deinterlacing and such
[18:53:28] sphery: don't remember specifics, though--except 220 tends to be better than 4xy and 6xy, until you get to high values of x (= high cost)
[18:54:05] sphery: not sure about 210 vs 220--and what, specifically, you might be giving up
[18:56:53] jarle: sphery: I don't do any fancy deinterlacing, only progressive 720p and 1080p here
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[19:02:17] sphery: in Norway? Nice.
[19:03:03] sphery: it sounds like there wouldn't be much of an issue for you, but I recommend asking someone else who knows the differences better than I
[19:07:13] jarle: sphery: I have a Geforce GT 220 in it now that has been working fine, but it has become too unstable, so I'm leaning towards a HW issue and need to replace it...
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[20:44:48] mcmoyer: wow! Had I realized that there was an Airplay function in .26, I'd have upgraded from .24 a long time ago. That's awesome guys.
[20:46:04] wagnerrp: it is receive only, not push
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[20:46:41] wagnerrp: that means your phone can push audio and video to your MythTV frontend, but the backend cannot stream content to other airplay devices
[20:47:14] mcmoyer: that's all I need. All 5 of us have iPhones in the family…now, we just stream our Netflix to whatever TV we're nearby.
[20:48:44] mcmoyer: does anyone have a recommendation for a low-priced low profile video card that works well with HD content on myth?
[20:48:57] jpabq_: I threw a hvr-2250 into my system. It worked in DVB mode, then I decided to play in analog mode for a bit. Now I want to go back to DVB and can't seem to get the driver to load anymore. There was a kernel update in there (3.6.11), but otherwise I don't know why the firmware is now refusing to load.
[20:49:16] wagnerrp: video output card?
[20:50:06] wagnerrp: jpabq_: the analog and digital parts of that card should both function just fine, simultaneously
[20:50:37] wagnerrp: you just have to make sure to put the pairs into input groups, so mythtv knows it cannot use both at the same time
[20:51:54] jpabq: wagnerrp: oh? I thought I read that you could only do one at a time. I didn't know that had been resolved.
[20:51:57] mcmoyer: video output. The Dell's I'm repurposing have ATI 2400XT in them currently which are kind of cranky.
[20:52:30] wagnerrp: yes, you can only use the analog or digital part of each half of that card
[20:52:41] jpabq: wagnerrp: currently, I get a timeout error when trying to load the firmware.
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[20:52:51] wagnerrp: but it's not like you have to change drivers or firmware when switching between the two
[20:53:05] wagnerrp: you just need to make sure mythtv disconnects from the one side before using the other
[20:54:00] jpabq_: Okay, good to know. Thanks.
[20:54:04] wagnerrp: sphery has one, but he only uses it for digital
[20:54:19] wagnerrp: beirdo has one, but he has been absent for the past month or two
[20:54:31] jpabq_: saa7164_dl_wait_ack() timeout (no d/l ack)
[20:54:45] wagnerrp: !seen stoth
[20:54:46] MythLogBot: stoth was last seen 144 days 23 hours 6 minutes 38 seconds ago
[20:55:52] jpabq_: I could always email him, but I hate to bug him with something like this.
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[21:01:30] sphery: yeah, I won't be any help--I actually forgot I had an analog half on it (was just talking with my Mom and mentioned I could help her get some old VCR stuff to digital if she brought a VCR, but forgot I still have a useful encoder vs the frame grabber)
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[21:01:54] sphery: so, in the event that she does have me help with that, thanks for the reminder :)
[21:02:13] sphery: (and I might figure out more about it come July or so, next time the parents visit)
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[21:10:36] jpabq_: sphery: right now, it is timing out trying to load NXP7164-2010-03–10.1.fw. That is the DVB firmware, right? The /dev/dvb/adapter* files are not being created.
[21:11:25] sphery: that's the one I have in there...
[21:12:51] sphery: I get: saa7164_downloadfirmware() Waiting for firmware upload (NXP7164-2010-03–10.1.fw) ... (lots of lines) ... tveeprom 2–0000: tuner model is NXP 18271C2_716x (idx 152, type 4)
[21:13:06] jpabq_: saa7164_dl_wait_ack() timeout (no d/l ack)
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[21:15:06] sphery: I remember having problems with the firmware for a while, then it just started working--and I never took time to try to figure out what changed
[21:16:00] sphery: are you sure you have the firmware in the right place for your distro/kernel/... and appropriate file permissions?
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[21:16:51] jpabq_: Same permissions as the other files in there.
[21:17:11] sphery: weird
[21:17:26] jpabq_: I will try a full-power down, and see what happens.
[21:17:46] sphery: yeah, that's probably a good idea
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[21:55:15] jpabq: sphery: maybe not a good idea. Looks like that power supply decided it had had enough, and now the just gives an alarm when I try to power it up.
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[22:15:15] sphery: jpabq: I will say that I did have a lot of problems with capture cards when I tried to use too many in one system--and finally traced it to problems with power cleanliness
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[22:15:29] sphery: so it may be that the card is fine and once you replace the PSU, you'll be good
[22:15:36] sphery: BTW, I highly recommend 80 PLUS :)
[22:16:34] clever: ive had weird issues in the past, going the other direction
[22:16:54] clever: i removed a video capture card, and suddenly the system could only see 2 of the 3 harddrives
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[22:17:13] clever: depending on what i messed with, the problem moves arround within those 3 drives, but i never fixed it
[22:17:51] clever: eventualy i just gave up, retired the poor thing (P2 400mhz), and put the drives in other systems
[22:23:39] wizbit: clever: do you miss some of your old computers?
[22:24:24] clever: wizbit: that box was a good NAS, the new ones dont have enough free sata ports, so ive had to run more systems to access all the drives
[22:24:58] clever: ive got one system that does nothing but share a 1tb over nfs, the loadavg is 0.00 0.00 0.00
[22:25:32] wizbit: what os?
[22:26:06] clever: exact same ubuntu image (nfsroot) on both the P2 i retired and its replacement
[22:26:29] clever: all i had to do was tweak the dhcp and pxelinux config and move the hdd
[22:26:31] wizbit: clever: i thought a guy with your intelligence would be using slackware
[22:26:56] clever: thats an old setup, i use gentoo on all the newer systems
[22:27:04] wizbit: ok
[22:27:04] clever: just havent bothered to break that one, it works fine as it is :P
[22:28:55] wizbit: you should be using freebsd / zfs for your NAS
[22:29:40] clever: the drives are already formated xfs, and i dont have enough free space anywhere to clean one out anymore
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[23:00:43] jpabq: sphery: Unfortunately, new power supply didn't change anything as far as the hvr-2250 goes. It still times out trying to load the firmware :(
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[23:23:01] jpabq_: sphery: moving it to another slot seems to have fixed the problem. Maybe it just needed re-seated.
[23:24:28] jpabq_: sphery: what are you using for udev? I have tried some stuff I found on the wiki, but it makes me nervous... "frontend0 -> ../adapter0/frontend0", but "demux0 -> ../adapter1/demux0". frontend0 is the only one that points at adaptor0, all the others point to adapter1
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