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| [01:06:53] | tonsofpcs: | built an antenna for my bedroom TV set (that was just being useed as a display head for a UPNPAV renderer), confirmed that channel lacking PSIP... |
| [01:08:22] | wagnerrp: | tonsofpcs: you know much about RF theory? |
| [01:09:14] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: some |
| [01:09:52] | wagnerrp: | how critical is dipole length in regards to VHF reception? |
| [01:11:24] | wagnerrp: | trying to pick up channel 12 (200MHz) using a 4-bay with 15" wide dipoles |
| [01:11:34] | wagnerrp: | when proper half-wave would be 29" |
| [01:11:48] | wagnerrp: | rather... i should say i'm failing to pick up |
| [01:11:49] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [01:29:16] | TheAsp: | Hey, I'm having a bit of trouble with 0.26+fixes... mythfrontend segfaults with a stacktrace looking like it's somewhere in libcec |
| [01:30:29] | TheAsp: | anything i can do about that? |
| [01:33:38] | TheAsp: | hmm |
| [01:33:54] | TheAsp: | library removed, turns out it wasn't installed due to dependencies... |
| [01:34:02] | TheAsp: | back to idling. |
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| [01:50:01] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: 4-bay what? |
| [01:54:11] | wagnerrp: | something like... https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=t . . . 4ypz-rRoUXxZ |
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| [03:09:17] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: ah, 4-bay bowtie. |
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| [03:15:43] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: the distances matter a lot more than lengths. |
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| [03:16:08] | tonsofpcs: | although, I'm not sure what you mean by 15" wide... |
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| [03:16:28] | wagnerrp: | end to end on the bow-ties are 14–15" |
| [03:16:40] | wagnerrp: | so only about a quarter wavelength |
| [03:16:56] | tonsofpcs: | is this a home-made antenna or factory-built? |
| [03:17:08] | wagnerrp: | home, it's pretty poor quality |
| [03:17:19] | wagnerrp: | i'm just looking for information first before trying a second attempt |
| [03:17:21] | tonsofpcs: | so is mine, you should see what I built about an hour ago for my bedroom :) |
| [03:17:39] | tonsofpcs: | how far from the transmit antenna are you? |
| [03:17:46] | wagnerrp: | ~5 miles |
| [03:18:11] | tonsofpcs: | how much crap is between you and it? (I have a single-bay bowtie and the only thing blocking LoS over 7 miles is the next building over and it does great) |
| [03:18:31] | wagnerrp: | a hill |
| [03:18:48] | wagnerrp: | everything is in that direction, and everything else comes in fine |
| [03:18:58] | wagnerrp: | it's just the one VHF channel giving me troubles |
| [03:19:16] | tonsofpcs: | I've got a really high power 7, really low power 8, high power 34, low power 42, all coming in fine on a single bay.... |
| [03:19:46] | tonsofpcs: | do you know the callsign of this 12? |
| [03:19:49] | wagnerrp: | the signal off a pair of bunny ears just isn't quite enough |
| [03:19:52] | wagnerrp: | WKRC |
| [03:19:58] | tonsofpcs: | *looks it up* |
| [03:20:04] | tonsofpcs: | also, what rreceiver do you have? |
| [03:20:16] | wagnerrp: | old rev.2 HDHR |
| [03:20:41] | tonsofpcs: | does that give you SS, Sig Q, and Sym Q? |
| [03:21:07] | wagnerrp: | currently running 94/79/100 |
| [03:21:18] | tonsofpcs: | on channel 12? |
| [03:21:21] | wagnerrp: | although the quality periodically drops out |
| [03:21:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [03:21:31] | tonsofpcs: | 94/79/100 is great... what's the issue? |
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| [03:21:38] | wagnerrp: | it's not consistent |
| [03:21:47] | tonsofpcs: | have you tried adding a reflector? |
| [03:22:04] | wagnerrp: | ive for some 2" metal grid behind it |
| [03:22:09] | wagnerrp: | s/for/got/ |
| [03:22:16] | tonsofpcs: | how far behind? |
| [03:22:28] | wagnerrp: | 3" or so |
| [03:22:28] | tonsofpcs: | and is the antenna outside or inside? |
| [03:22:43] | wagnerrp: | inside, stuffed in a closet along an exterior wall |
| [03:23:20] | tonsofpcs: | hmm... Very few things I can think of causing fluctuations other than physical vibration. |
| [03:23:49] | Korny2: | I use a generic db-2 at home |
| [03:23:49] | tonsofpcs: | What sort of balun do you have on it? how many times is it split? what type of coax and how much between it and the HDHR? Are spare ports on the splitters terminated with 75ohm? |
| [03:24:19] | tonsofpcs: | oh, and does this wall face a street? |
| [03:24:45] | wagnerrp: | wall faces the neighbors house, although the alignment means i'm not trying to receive through their house |
| [03:24:59] | wagnerrp: | was just using the same cheapo balun as was on the bunny ears, so probably 300 ohm |
| [03:25:24] | tonsofpcs: | I was having very odd fluctuations on the most powerful channel I get. Turned out to be the balun. |
| [03:25:26] | wagnerrp: | probably... 40' of RG6 to a 4-way amp, three in use with a terminator on the fourth |
| [03:25:38] | tonsofpcs: | Bought the $6 ratshack gold-plated balun and haven't had an issue since |
| [03:26:26] | tonsofpcs: | the same (poor) balun on the antenna I made a few hours ago won't let me get the low power channel (as it didn't in the other location but the radioshack one does). |
| [03:26:36] | tonsofpcs: | also, why an amp? |
| [03:26:50] | wagnerrp: | figured i needed one with the 4-way split |
| [03:26:56] | wagnerrp: | well... 3-way split anyway |
| [03:27:08] | tonsofpcs: | you shouldn't. |
| [03:27:16] | Korny2: | my hdhr HATED amps |
| [03:28:24] | wagnerrp: | i've got a 3-way splitter somewhere. i'll give that a try |
| [03:30:05] | tonsofpcs: | ATSC does not do well with too much signal |
| [03:30:10] | tonsofpcs: | if the amp has a knob on it, try turning it down |
| [03:30:30] | tonsofpcs: | but amps also have issues so it's best to not have one unless you need it |
| [03:30:43] | tonsofpcs: | for testing, you could just throw the HDHR behind the antenna |
| [03:31:23] | tonsofpcs: | (and, since it's network attached, it might be best to split closer to the antenna and throw the HDHR nearby – my two HDHRs are 6' from the antenna, single splitter at 2.5') |
| [03:32:15] | Korny2: | tonsofpcs, I have a similar setup |
| [03:33:07] | tonsofpcs: | anyway, question: Is there a way to set a single recording from a channel record rule to record for an extra n minutes. (Example: I have a channel record rule for Elementary. This "football" thing is going long and will make Elementary start late tonight, I just want to record an extra hour tonight not next time) |
| [03:34:34] | Korny2: | yes |
| [03:34:40] | tonsofpcs: | further question: HOW?!?!? |
| [03:34:43] | tonsofpcs: | :D |
| [03:34:45] | Korny2: | I do it in mythweb |
| [03:34:50] | Korny2: | but there is a way under recordings |
| [03:35:00] | Korny2: | I set the superbowl for 30 minutes extra and it still messed up :/ |
| [03:35:13] | tonsofpcs: | well, I did it in recording options and it did it for the whole channel record |
| [03:35:20] | wagnerrp: | right... that is recording tonight isnt it |
| [03:35:39] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: well, it didn't start yet... |
| [03:35:46] | tonsofpcs: | the recording did, the show didn't |
| [03:35:53] | Korny2: | 30 minutes would have been fine if it wasnt' for the blackout |
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| [03:36:58] | wagnerrp: | anyway, tell it to 'record this specific showing', then then set custom overruns for the override rule |
| [03:37:25] | Korny2: | its under advanced in mythweb :/ |
| [03:37:26] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: seems like a UX issue :) |
| [03:38:13] | wagnerrp: | Korny2: yes, but you need to have it operate off the override |
| [03:38:26] | wagnerrp: | if you just edit the showing, you will only be editing the standard rule |
| [03:38:38] | Korny2: | Now I'm confused |
| [03:38:48] | tonsofpcs: | Korny2: right, same issue I had. |
| [03:38:59] | Korny2: | If I select record this show only |
| [03:39:08] | Korny2: | and then goto advanced and set 30 minutes extra |
| [03:39:17] | tonsofpcs: | oh, you definitely don't need an amp, wagnerrp. Just looked at the whole market. If you're trying to get my station in Corning, NY, you'll need that amp, otherwise I think you're good. |
| [03:39:19] | wagnerrp: | right, then you've produced an override for that specific showing |
| [03:39:22] | Korny2: | that won't record extra 30 mionutes?? |
| [03:39:51] | Korny2: | yeah thats under advanced in the recording rule section |
| [03:40:27] | wagnerrp: | correct, but i'm saying the 'record this show only' is necessary |
| [03:40:39] | Korny2: | ahh yes |
| [03:40:49] | Korny2: | Sucky part is I have to come back later and delete the rule |
| [03:41:01] | Korny2: | I wish there was a way for them to go away automatically |
| [03:41:10] | wagnerrp: | no, one off rules should go away automatically once they are triggered |
| [03:41:18] | Korny2: | really? |
| [03:41:48] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: then why does it still tell me that "OFF AIR" is not going to record in the schedule every sunday when I made a single one-off rule to get 10 minutes of it? (you never know when you need bars) |
| [03:42:17] | wagnerrp: | it was a "record specific showing" rule? |
| [03:43:32] | Korny2: | hold on |
| [03:44:06] | Korny2: | http://snag.gy/RAR0v.jpg |
| [03:44:07] | tonsofpcs: | I think so. It isn't in the 'recording rules' list on mythweb but it shows with a dashed outline in the listings view |
| [03:44:10] | Korny2: | still looks there... |
| [03:44:33] | wagnerrp: | tonsofpcs: that means it is something that has been recorded in the past |
| [03:44:57] | tonsofpcs: | my "The Superbowl Today" recording rule from this morning/afternoon is still there btw, but I imagine that will get cleared next time it processes |
| [03:46:10] | Korny2: | did that link work? |
| [03:46:16] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [03:47:22] | Korny2: | Is there a setting I'm missing for them to go away |
| [03:47:36] | Korny2: | my wife likes to press record on shows and I find myself deleteing a lot of 1 time things |
| [03:48:03] | wagnerrp: | once they finish recording, the scheduler should automatically scrap them |
| [03:48:06] | wagnerrp: | at least it used to |
| [03:48:07] | tonsofpcs: | take the remote away? :-p |
| [03:48:47] | Korny2: | Yeah..... tonsofpcs you must not be married |
| [03:48:58] | tonsofpcs: | you missed the ":-p" |
| [03:49:43] | tonsofpcs: | so what do you use for remote frontends? |
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| [03:50:20] | Korny2: | uggg I hate laptop keyboards |
| [03:50:36] | tonsofpcs: | so what do you use for remote frontends? |
| [03:50:45] | Korny2: | I use a couple ion boxes for the bedroom and a 3 core AMD with a nvidia gt520 |
| [03:50:51] | Korny2: | for the livingroom |
| [03:51:42] | Korny2: | The only reason I moved the ion box from the living room was because it took way to long to process my video's section |
| [03:52:04] | wagnerrp: | note to self... LOOK before fiddling with the HDHR Config GUI |
| [03:52:22] | wagnerrp: | mythtv never tells the HDHR not to restrict access to things when it is recording |
| [03:52:47] | wagnerrp: | apparently i forced elementary onto the wrong channel like half an hour ago when looking at signal strengths on different frequencies |
| [03:52:54] | Korny2: | lol |
| [03:53:13] | Korny2: | or just use tuner 2 instead of 1 |
| [03:53:19] | wagnerrp: | mythtv didn't really seem to care |
| [03:53:31] | wagnerrp: | it just kept on recording a syndicated episode of burn notice |
| [03:56:39] | tonsofpcs: | ok, elemmentary time |
| [03:57:10] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: really? ffor live mode, I know mine snaps it back if I try changing it |
| [04:00:04] | Korny2: | I could NEVER help in #ubuntu |
| [04:02:22] | tonsofpcs: | ok, maybe not.... |
| [04:02:26] | tonsofpcs: | still NFLs... |
| [04:02:31] | tonsofpcs: | *extends recording some more |
| [04:02:58] | wagnerrp: | i just set it to +90 |
| [04:03:14] | tonsofpcs: | I set it to +120 lol |
| [04:03:56] | tonsofpcs: | CBS is by far the worst for scheduling shows to start earlier than they will due to sporting event overruns btw... |
| [04:04:20] | tonsofpcs: | everyone else pads 30m extra in, they seem to cut 15–30m out... |
| [04:05:43] | Korny2: | uggg #ubuntu is like 100 of those dudes wagnerrp and I hide from |
| [04:05:46] | Korny2: | whats his face |
| [04:06:01] | tonsofpcs: | now if only this other channel had PSIP... |
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| [04:07:56] | tonsofpcs: | and, more importantly, how are they not constantly being pestered by dish and directv to fix it? I reboot my encoder and they notice and give me a call to make sure everything will remain ok... |
| [04:10:53] | tonsofpcs: | ah, now it is starting |
| [04:10:59] | tonsofpcs: | (at least, they say they are) |
| [04:11:49] | wagnerrp: | i'm just frustrated at how CBS is only running 14.7Mbps |
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| [04:11:57] | wagnerrp: | and that's including CW on a subchannel |
| [04:12:53] | Korny2: | thats pretty low for HD TV with mpeg |
| [04:13:06] | Korny2: | thats like 8–9 in h264.. |
| [04:14:32] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: they doing M/H? |
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| [04:16:18] | wagnerrp: | rabbitears seems to think not |
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| [04:17:14] | tonsofpcs: | also, rabbitears lists them as ~14mbps on CBS only and 2~3 on CW... |
| [04:18:27] | tonsofpcs: | what does hdhomerun_config DEVICEID get /tuner0/debug say? |
| [04:18:32] | wagnerrp: | does the "network rate" from HDHR not include the whole mux? |
| [04:18:44] | tonsofpcs: | the 'network rate' from the hdhr config gui is post-filter |
| [04:18:50] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [04:18:54] | tonsofpcs: | myth filters PIDs |
| [04:18:58] | wagnerrp: | well their quality is still crap |
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| [04:19:27] | tonsofpcs: | I see 7.5 Mbps on mine right now... |
| [04:20:35] | wagnerrp: | can't seem to find a built copy of their utility... give me a second |
| [04:20:42] | tonsofpcs: | if you're not using the other tuner, you can ./hdhomerun_config DEVICEID set /tuner1/channel 12 and set /tuner1/filter 0x0000–0x1fff and then get /tuner1/debug |
| [04:20:48] | tonsofpcs: | it's in the libhdhomerun folder where you built it |
| [04:20:56] | tonsofpcs: | it doesn't get installed |
| [04:21:04] | tonsofpcs: | (or you can just pull it and compile again) |
| [04:21:19] | tonsofpcs: | (it's not built with the gui tool) |
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| [04:21:40] | tonsofpcs: | (well, it is, just not in that folder) |
| [04:22:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it does say 19.4 |
| [04:23:26] | Korny2: | they probably cranked it because of the superbowl |
| [04:23:40] | tonsofpcs: | cranked what? 19.393 is an ATSC 6 MHz channel. |
| [04:24:06] | Korny2: | I thought they could increase bandwidth for channels for special events |
| [04:24:12] | Korny2: | At least I've read that |
| [04:24:17] | Korny2: | or wait |
| [04:24:21] | Korny2: | I'm thinking cable/dish |
| [04:24:25] | Korny2: | never mind |
| [04:24:36] | tonsofpcs: | they could squish down the CW and boost the CBS |
| [04:24:56] | tonsofpcs: | but it seems they do that to begin with |
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| [04:35:10] | dcope: | hey all |
| [04:35:14] | dcope: | i'm in the us and using a digital antenna. i should be using terresterial and broadcast in the scanner, right? |
| [04:36:27] | dcope: | then do use the us-bcast frequency? |
| [04:36:32] | tonsofpcs: | yes. |
| [04:36:40] | tonsofpcs: | although it isn't a "digital antenna" |
| [04:36:42] | tonsofpcs: | it's just an antenna. |
| [04:38:18] | dcope: | oh |
| [04:38:38] | dcope: | it's strange because it can't find any channels now. it had quite a few not too long ago. |
| [04:38:51] | dcope: | it goes from atsc 2 -> 69 without finding any |
| [04:39:00] | dcope: | and if i plug the antenna directly to the tv it works fine |
| [04:41:04] | dcope: | wagnerrp helped me with this issue once before |
| [04:42:13] | tonsofpcs: | what tuner? |
| [04:42:48] | dcope: | hpg 1250 |
| [04:43:11] | tonsofpcs: | and the antenna is plugged directly into it with the same position and cable that works on the TV? |
| [04:43:57] | dcope: | yep |
| [04:44:12] | dcope: | sitting on top of the htpc |
| [04:44:24] | tonsofpcs: | it sits on top of the HTPC when it connects to the TV and works? |
| [04:44:37] | dcope: | yep |
| [04:44:45] | dcope: | it's weird though because i ran into this same problem once before |
| [04:44:47] | tonsofpcs: | no idea, possibly a hpg issue. Try a shutdown and start up again? |
| [04:44:54] | dcope: | i'll try that one |
| [04:44:55] | dcope: | now* |
| [04:45:30] | dcope: | now on this scan... 2 posisble channels |
| [04:45:36] | dcope: | really getting mixed results with this :S |
| [04:45:39] | tonsofpcs: | huh? |
| [04:45:50] | dcope: | "Found 2 new non-conflicting ATSC channels." |
| [04:45:50] | tonsofpcs: | you shut down and started the machine again that fast? |
| [04:45:53] | dcope: | no |
| [04:46:02] | dcope: | a scan was in progress |
| [04:46:07] | tonsofpcs: | oh |
| [04:46:25] | tonsofpcs: | what type of antenna? new install or existing install? |
| [04:46:35] | dcope: | new install |
| [04:46:38] | dcope: | all brand new hardware |
| [04:47:05] | tonsofpcs: | antenna type? |
| [04:47:06] | dcope: | http://www.lowes.com/pd_140144-63374-ANT1500_ . . . gpspn=pla%22 |
| [04:47:09] | dcope: | that's the antenna |
| [04:47:26] | tonsofpcs: | oh |
| [04:47:29] | tonsofpcs: | hahaha |
| [04:47:33] | dcope: | :) |
| [04:47:34] | tonsofpcs: | what market are you in? |
| [04:47:52] | dcope: | tonsofpcs: i guess a decent one heh. it works well enough connected to the tv directly :) |
| [04:48:37] | tonsofpcs: | ... |
| [04:49:03] | tonsofpcs: | what city do all the tv stations nearby claim to be in? |
| [04:49:23] | dcope: | not sure what they claim... i'm in atlanta and they're all "atlanta" stations... |
| [04:49:28] | tonsofpcs: | ok |
| [04:49:52] | dcope: | btw, this antenna has a gimecky "amplifier" dongle thing... does that even help? i can remove it if not. |
| [04:49:58] | tonsofpcs: | are you in atlanta proper? |
| [04:50:04] | dcope: | ye |
| [04:50:05] | dcope: | yes |
| [04:50:14] | tonsofpcs: | how many channels do you get on the tv? |
| [04:50:21] | dcope: | there is one station that's probably 4 miles away max |
| [04:50:27] | dcope: | i get about 8 – 10 iirc |
| [04:50:41] | tonsofpcs: | wow, that antenna is crappier than I thought |
| [04:51:07] | dcope: | i used another one with bunny ears at my old place and only got about the same amount |
| [04:51:27] | tonsofpcs: | well, you can try moving that antenna further away from the equipment |
| [04:51:36] | tonsofpcs: | and perhaps turn it 90 degrees |
| [04:51:44] | tonsofpcs: | but I'd recommend a bowtie, one or two bays. |
| [04:51:51] | dcope: | a bowtie? |
| [04:52:59] | dcope: | oh a type of antenna |
| [04:53:02] | dcope: | heh, can't use one of those here |
| [04:53:14] | tonsofpcs: | why not? |
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| [04:53:27] | dcope: | they all look pretty big |
| [04:53:31] | dcope: | i'm in a condo high rise building |
| [04:53:37] | tonsofpcs: | they're about 10" across |
| [04:53:42] | dcope: | oh wow |
| [04:53:44] | tonsofpcs: | you can put it inside |
| [04:53:53] | Korny2: | Mine is in my closet |
| [04:53:56] | tonsofpcs: | and they can't restrict your putting it outside if it is in a 'private' space |
| [04:54:04] | dcope: | do they actually work? |
| [04:54:12] | dcope: | see one for 25 USD that says it can get up to 40 miles |
| [04:54:14] | Korny2: | tonsofpcs, think a db 2 is ok for around 15–20 miles? |
| [04:54:29] | tonsofpcs: | dcope: yes. You don't need to pay $25 for it |
| [04:54:40] | ** tonsofpcs made a second one today... ** | |
| [04:54:53] | dcope: | tonsofpcs: do you have instructions online? |
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| [04:54:55] | Korny2: | I made a coat hanger on acouple of years ago |
| [04:55:01] | Korny2: | worked pretty well actually |
| [04:55:16] | tonsofpcs: | coat hanger, cut in half, shape to ><, screw into a wood block with mount points about 1–1/4" apart and hook the balun ($6 part at radioshack prices) at those points |
| [04:55:45] | Korny2: | There is a youtube video of it |
| [04:56:10] | dcope: | sweet |
| [04:56:16] | tonsofpcs: | http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062049 |
| [04:56:29] | dcope: | nice |
| [04:56:33] | dcope: | and the quality is good? |
| [04:56:40] | tonsofpcs: | most expensive piece, assuming you have access to a 2x2x4 (nominal) wood block, two wood screws, a screwdriver, and a metal coat hanger |
| [04:56:43] | Korny2: | You can get the part at walmart as well if no radioshack is near you |
| [04:57:00] | tonsofpcs: | walmart balun is probably crappier than the radioshack one. |
| [04:57:01] | Korny2: | tonsofpcs, I used bolts and drilled through the wood completely |
| [04:57:28] | tonsofpcs: | only thing that may be an issue is you might have to scrape away some oxidation or coating at the connection point |
| [04:57:31] | tonsofpcs: | but it's not too hard |
| [04:57:54] | tonsofpcs: | the one I made earlier doesn't even have the wood block or screws, balun is attached by using keyrings lol |
| [04:57:54] | Korny2: | If I were to put one outside I'd soder the connection points |
| [04:58:04] | tonsofpcs: | I wouldn't |
| [04:58:11] | Korny2: | why? |
| [04:58:57] | Korny2: | Just curious |
| [04:59:02] | wagnerrp: | solder typically does not stand up to corrosion well |
| [04:59:16] | Korny2: | be better to just paint it? |
| [04:59:22] | Korny2: | after the parts are in contact? |
| [04:59:31] | tonsofpcs: | nope, just wrap with electrical tape |
| [04:59:36] | wagnerrp: | or heatshrink |
| [04:59:44] | ** wagnerrp likes heatshrink ** | |
| [04:59:48] | tonsofpcs: | solder also will flow along the conductors and deform their shape (make them thicker and thinner at points) |
| [05:00:08] | wagnerrp: | i always have trouble with electrical tape coming off |
| [05:00:52] | tonsofpcs: | electrical tape has to contact itself to stick well. |
| [05:01:24] | Korny2: | look at those guys who wrap alagator mouths with it |
| [05:01:36] | Korny2: | they gator is wet but the tape is dry and it stays put :P |
| [05:09:39] | wagnerrp: | oh wonderful... mythbackend crashes within the last five minutes of the episode |
| [05:10:10] | tonsofpcs: | it just ended |
| [05:10:21] | wagnerrp: | and mythbackend just crashed |
| [05:10:41] | tonsofpcs: | I blame CBS |
| [05:11:10] | Korny2: | lol |
| [05:11:15] | wagnerrp: | nah, i started getting bus errors (like a segfault) with an update a couple weeks ago |
| [05:11:19] | wagnerrp: | haven't tracked it down yet |
| [05:13:24] | ramccor: | tonsofpcs: Definately. I much prefer crimp connections which I then tape or heat shrink. (I used to be a cable data engineer about 10 years ago) |
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| [05:14:02] | wagnerrp: | i like those compression ones |
| [05:15:59] | ramccor: | They are good as well. (superior in some aspects) I still like to tape or heat shrink anything outside. Seen WAY too many lines trashed when water is wicked into the cable. |
| [05:16:37] | tonsofpcs: | yup. Anything outside should be taped up TIGHT. if you can get that black uv-resistant self-adhering silicon stuff, even better |
| [05:17:00] | tonsofpcs: | (they sell it to consumers now to fix hoses and leaks and such — be careful, if it isn't bblack it isn't UV stable. If it is black, it *might* be. |
| [05:18:10] | wagnerrp: | i just use flexible conduit, split down the side, and wrapped around the wire bundle |
| [05:20:01] | ramccor: | Other thing to beware of with outside cables... Squirrels... Evil little monsters always liked my hardline too much. |
| [05:20:19] | wagnerrp: | hah... you know what else they like? |
| [05:20:27] | wagnerrp: | hydraulic hoses on gas turbines |
| [05:20:50] | ramccor: | Ouch. All round evil little rats. |
| [05:21:16] | tonsofpcs: | 'self-fusing silicon tape' |
| [05:21:41] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: the connectors are what need to be wrapped/sealed to prevent wter from getting in |
| [05:22:13] | wagnerrp: | oh, you're not talking about protecting the cables... just the connectors, with something that will withstand the weather |
| [05:23:31] | ramccor: | Yes. Water in ANY connector will ruin it in short order. |
| [05:24:16] | ramccor: | Well, not any, but in this case, RF + water == corrosion in short order. |
| [05:24:56] | tonsofpcs: | also, the shield of the coax will wick water in |
| [05:25:17] | ramccor: | I have seen new cable and connectors that were not sealed correctly turn an antenna into a dummy load in about a month. |
| [05:25:51] | ramccor: | Yup, the water was wicked in along the shield braid and corroded back about 3 feet in that month. |
| [05:26:03] | wagnerrp: | i thought the shield on coax was meant as punishment for linemen, to give them splinters in their thumbs |
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| [05:29:32] | ramccor: | While it IS good for that, your goal is to reduce line loss. when the dielectric foam gets wet or the shield is compromised, you pick up interference (or potentially CAUSE interference (signal leakage) |
| [05:30:27] | tonsofpcs: | here we go, http://www.amazon.com/Duck-442055-1-Inch-Sing . . . gy_hi_text_y |
| [05:31:47] | ramccor: | (One thing that most people dont know and most cable companies are very lax about is terminating unconnected coax connections :-) All in my house are properly terminated... |
| [05:32:28] | ramccor: | Because open connections are a source of ingress noise (The major limiter on upstream bandwidth) |
| [05:32:32] | wagnerrp: | you mean with 75ohm plugs? |
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| [05:32:52] | ramccor: | Exactly. |
| [05:33:45] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, do they really need to worry about that? i mean with the signal power they're typically running |
| [05:33:47] | ramccor: | Just like the old thin-net ethernet 50 ohm terminators, except that cable companies use 75-ohm cable so you use a 75 ohm terminator |
| [05:34:26] | ramccor: | It is insanely importantant on the downsteam to give as much clean signal to the end points. |
| [05:34:39] | ramccor: | BUT |
| [05:35:25] | ramccor: | on the downstream noise is limited to thier open spliter connections. Most systems are fairly clean on the downstream side. |
| [05:36:10] | ramccor: | The upstream side picks up all the noise from all the lousy TV's and open taps in folks house and also tends to be MUCH more heavly agregated. |
| [05:37:00] | ramccor: | (you might have 500 – 2000 homes passed per node downstream agregated back to 4–1 or even 8–1 nodes on the upstream.) |
| [05:39:53] | ramccor: | I guess it is just the old cable guy in me that terminates all the endpoints. Most users will never know or care. and it is extra cost to the CC if people actually knew to want it. |
| [05:41:06] | wagnerrp: | sounds like something that matters more when you're doing cable internet |
| [05:42:16] | ramccor: | Any two way service it matters more. But yes, internet is the main reason it was drilled into me. |
| [05:54:19] | ramccor: | wagnerrp: Potentially dumb question (Just check to see if normal or something that I should attempt to track down) I see on about 1/3 of my recording on my prime when it finishes a line "HDHRSH(192.168.1.103–0): UpdateFilters called in wrong tune mode" It has been there mostly forever, but it is flagged as an error. |
| [06:00:07] | wagnerrp: | i don't know anything about the logging of a HDHRP, don't have one |
| [06:01:05] | ramccor: | Fair enough. I will see if I can find the file emitting the error and back track from there. |
| [06:01:21] | Korny2: | ramccor, maybe the cable company put a no copy flag in the middle of the recording? |
| [06:01:52] | Korny2: | I'm not sure what that error looks like, no copy flag that is |
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| [06:02:24] | ramccor: | Ick, that would be anti social. Let me try reading the code. Who is the maintainer for the HDHR stream handler? |
| [06:03:01] | wagnerrp: | potentially silicon dust |
| [06:03:16] | wagnerrp: | depends on what specific part of the code you're talking about |
| [06:06:24] | ramccor: | Understood. Looks to be the code actually reading the network stream. And yes, it looks to be call based on info from the silicon dust library. (Definately going to take a lot of thought to figure out) |
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| [06:20:03] | Korny2: | Stupid linux question |
| [06:20:10] | Korny2: | uuid is drive dependent right? |
| [06:20:35] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [06:20:36] | [R]: | uuid is a property of a filesystem |
| [06:20:41] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [06:21:07] | wagnerrp: | you mount filesystems, and a drive can contain many filesystems |
| [06:21:16] | Korny2: | What I mean is, if I change mobo's/chip but take the main drive with it fstab I should be ok? |
| [06:21:31] | wagnerrp: | should work fine |
| [06:21:45] | Korny2: | I know if I went by /dev it woudl be problem matic |
| [06:23:20] | ** Korny2 is wondering if the newer 8 core amd chips can power down as much as i7's ** | |
| [06:23:26] | Korny2: | or if its worth the costs difference |
| [06:24:02] | wagnerrp: | considering you can only get an 8-core chip in a multi-socket server... i think that's overkill |
| [06:24:28] | Korny2: | says who? |
| [06:24:48] | Korny2: | amd makes an 8 core consumer level chip |
| [06:25:04] | wagnerrp: | the only 8-core chip AMD ever made is an old Magny-Cours opteron, which is a pair of quad-core chips on a combined package |
| [06:25:23] | Korny2: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284 |
| [06:25:33] | Korny2: | lookie |
| [06:25:46] | wagnerrp: | that's a quad-core chip |
| [06:25:55] | Korny2: | how do ou figure? |
| [06:25:58] | Korny2: | it says 8 cores... |
| [06:26:17] | Korny2: | Are you saying my 6 core is really 3? |
| [06:26:38] | wagnerrp: | four instruction decoders, four instruction dispatchers, four L2 caches, four floating point units, eight integer units |
| [06:26:48] | wagnerrp: | does that sound more like a quad-core or an octo-core? |
| [06:27:16] | wagnerrp: | it has four |
| [06:27:20] | wagnerrp: | "modules" |
| [06:27:35] | wagnerrp: | and each "module" is a traditional CPU core, with an extra integer unit strapped on |
| [06:27:51] | wagnerrp: | so of course marketing people step in and call each module equivalent to two cores |
| [06:27:59] | wagnerrp: | when it's simply not so |
| [06:28:00] | Korny2: | So is my 6 core really 3 then :/ |
| [06:28:07] | wagnerrp: | what is your 6-core processor? |
| [06:28:08] | Korny2: | I can make out all 6 cores |
| [06:28:14] | Korny2: | and older phenom II |
| [06:28:17] | Korny2: | 1055 I believe |
| [06:28:27] | wagnerrp: | the 1055T actually is a hex-core |
| [06:29:01] | wagnerrp: | but that is the largest number of cores AMD has ever put on a single die |
| [06:29:33] | Korny2: | Which makes we wonder if I will even gain performance with that newer chip... |
| [06:29:42] | Korny2: | higher clock speed I suppose |
| [06:29:53] | wagnerrp: | on an integer heavy workload, bulldozer chips do better |
| [06:30:04] | wagnerrp: | on a floating point workload, the older stars chips do better |
| [06:30:05] | Korny2: | like x264 encoding? |
| [06:30:15] | wagnerrp: | video encoding is heavily floating point |
| [06:30:33] | Korny2: | So I'd be better just to keep this old fart? |
| [06:30:40] | wagnerrp: | likely |
| [06:30:48] | Korny2: | depressing |
| [06:32:18] | wagnerrp: | http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts . . . rod[5796]=on |
| [06:32:26] | wagnerrp: | looks like the newer chip does win out |
| [06:33:49] | wagnerrp: | the 8350 only has four FPUs to the 1055's six, but they're each more optimized and more powerful, and the instruction frontend is considerably more powerful |
| [06:36:24] | wagnerrp: | to be honest though, i still wouldn't bother with a first generation bulldozer |
| [06:36:33] | wagnerrp: | they had some teething problems early on |
| [06:36:49] | wagnerrp: | wait until the core improvements they made in the A series chips makes it back to the FX line |
| [06:38:45] | wagnerrp: | i suppose the 8350 is one of the newer batch |
| [06:38:51] | wagnerrp: | must be why the performance was better than i expected |
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| [06:40:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the 8150 is much slower than a 15% drop in clock rate could account for |
| [06:43:00] | Korny2: | hmmmm |
| [06:44:31] | Korny2: | 30% increase with andbrake |
| [06:44:33] | Korny2: | hmm 130 to 190 |
| [06:44:37] | Korny2: | well thats more then 30 |
| [06:46:27] | Korny2: | the chipset would be better as well |
| [06:46:31] | Korny2: | I'd get 990 |
| [06:48:25] | Korny2: | Snoopy – OS: Linux 3.2.0-37-generic/x86_64 – Distro: Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS – CPU: 6 x AMD Phenom II X6 1055T (1500.000 MHz) – Processes: 358 – Uptime: 2d 11h 23m – Users: 4 – Load Average: 8.07 – Memory Usage: 5313.49MB/15544.70MB (34.18%) – Disk Usage: 9286.92GB/16566.60GB (56.06%) |
| [06:48:30] | Korny2: | not a bad little box right now |
| [06:48:54] | Korny2: | I caught it as it downclocked lol |
| [06:49:21] | wagnerrp: | which honestly doesn't make sense with that load average |
| [06:49:32] | wagnerrp: | unless it's just a bunch of idle loops |
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| [06:50:43] | EllisL48: | Hello |
| [06:51:19] | Korny2: | Hostname: Snoopy – OS: Linux 3.2.0-37-generic/x86_64 – Distro: Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS – CPU: 6 x AMD Phenom II X6 1055T (2800.000 MHz) – Processes: 336 – Uptime: 2d 11h 35m – Users: 4 – Load Average: 12.80 – Memory Usage: 4450.70MB/15544.70MB (28.63%) – Disk Usage: 9286.98GB/16566.60GB (56.06%) |
| [06:51:34] | Korny2: | I'm doign a lot of mysql table accessing using php scripts |
| [06:52:18] | EllisL48: | I can't get sigmon to output a signal strength |
| [06:53:17] | wagnerrp: | so primarily waiting on disk IO? |
| [06:53:40] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you need to tune your mysql config a bit |
| [06:53:46] | wagnerrp: | make some use of that 16GB of memory |
| [06:54:04] | Korny2: | I know NOTHIGN about mysql |
| [06:54:17] | wagnerrp: | neither do most distro packagers |
| [06:54:26] | Korny2: | I'm using MYISAM tables |
| [06:54:51] | wagnerrp: | basically, the built in configs offered by distros are intentionally lightweight |
| [06:55:08] | wagnerrp: | since they figure they're only going to be used by home users for small scale databases |
| [06:55:25] | wagnerrp: | stuff that could just as well have been stuffed into sqlite or bdb |
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| [06:55:39] | EllisL48: | What are you using yours for? |
| [06:55:40] | Korny2: | if you promisse not to break things I'll give you access to phpmyadmin if you want to tinker lol |
| [06:55:54] | Korny2: | Somethign kinda "grey" |
| [06:55:56] | wagnerrp: | and anyone doing anything of significance would properly tune their database |
| [06:56:04] | Korny2: | So I can't discuss it |
| [06:56:13] | Korny2: | Not illegal though |
| [06:56:23] | wagnerrp: | you should have had a couple sample configs packaged with mysql |
| [06:56:26] | wagnerrp: | maybe in share |
| [06:56:36] | EllisL48: | But not strictly on the up and up: nice |
| [06:56:38] | wagnerrp: | just install the medium or large config |
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| [06:57:03] | Korny2: | will that mess with mythtv? or because its a seperate db it won't matter? |
| [06:57:05] | wagnerrp: | make sure to backup your databases before hand, especially if you've got anything using innodb |
| [06:57:28] | EllisL48: | Does anyone know about signal strength monitoring for antenna aiming? |
| [06:57:31] | wagnerrp: | no, since the conf applies to the database server, it affects all databases served by that server |
| [06:57:59] | wagnerrp: | EllisL48: depends on the tuner |
| [06:58:05] | wagnerrp: | often times it's a wash |
| [06:58:10] | EllisL48: | Hvr-2250 |
| [06:58:22] | wagnerrp: | since there is no real standard for the data expected from the tuner |
| [06:58:36] | EllisL48: | Always reports 0% with femon |
| [06:58:53] | wagnerrp: | the -2250 could simply not be returning such data |
| [06:59:29] | Korny2: | wagnerrp, my wait according to top is only 1% |
| [06:59:36] | EllisL48: | My stupid new smart tv doesn't have a signal strength indicator |
| [07:00:09] | Korny2: | so not to much disk access issues :/ 0.1 now lol |
| [07:00:17] | wagnerrp: | Korny2: you're running a load average of 8, and your system is downclocked to 1.5GHz so it's not using the CPU |
| [07:00:28] | wagnerrp: | if it's not using IO either... no idea what might be going on |
| [07:00:29] | Korny2: | now it is |
| [07:00:36] | Korny2: | I think I just caught it at a wierd time |
| [07:00:54] | Korny2: | cpu averages 70–100% unless I'm missing something |
| [07:01:23] | EllisL48: | Thanks |
| [07:01:51] | Korny2: | You know whats really depressing, my machine just siting there showing a tmux screen compiz has used twice as much cpu time as mythtv backend |
| [07:06:07] | wagnerrp: | "texas federal conspiracy lawyer"... are those the ones who try to sue the government for blowing demolition charges in the world trade center? |
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| [07:21:14] | wagnerrp: | yuck... iphone irc |
| [07:21:42] | wagnerrp: | large volumes of text on something with a tiny screen and no keyboard... just seems like a recipe for pain |
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| [07:22:32] | Korny2: | lol |
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| [14:27:56] | EllisL48: | Morning |
| [14:38:05] | voyo: | afternoon ;) |
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| [15:52:21] | tonsofpcs: | and they fixed the PSIP this morning :) |
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| [18:39:17] | Apoth: | hi |
| [18:39:32] | Apoth: | i have a problem with mythtv: ubuntu 12.10 PixelView bttv analog tuner. The mythtv-setup cant find channels during scan, but the tvtime does |
| [18:39:40] | Apoth: | anybody can help to me? |
| [18:40:07] | wagnerrp: | generally people avoid bttv and other framegrabber cards like the plague |
| [18:40:54] | Apoth: | i have no choice, i poor :) |
| [18:41:06] | wagnerrp: | what are you trying to record? |
| [18:41:26] | Apoth: | i just trying to scan for channels |
| [18:41:39] | Apoth: | no results :( |
| [18:43:37] | voyo: | apoth: I have no much experience with analog tuners, but maybe you have set wrong frequency table, its somewhere in myth-setup |
| [18:44:21] | Apoth: | yes, maybe, but i dont know what can i select... |
| [18:44:56] | Apoth: | iam from Hungary, and tried europe-east, europe-west and try-all |
| [18:45:26] | voyo: | aha, and nothing ? |
| [18:45:52] | Apoth: | nothing |
| [18:46:14] | Apoth: | but i tried to scan with tvtime, this is working |
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| [18:46:57] | voyo: | btw do you still have analog tv in hungary? any plans to turn off it in near future? (in Poland we are moving to DVB-T, there are already some areas without analog tv) |
| [18:48:11] | Apoth: | yes, my cable have analog channels, in this country the digital changign is a log process |
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| [18:51:17] | voyo: | yes yes, it is supposed to take few years here , but by the end of this year all analog transmiters will be extincted here |
| [18:51:43] | drussell_: | Apoth: Have you tried manually adding a couple channels using the channel editor (remember to fill in the channel number in the frequency/channel field) and see if it tunes them okay with the manual entries? |
| [18:51:44] | voyo: | sorry I can't help you with your problem. try to run myth with some verbose logging |
| [18:52:17] | Apoth: | drussell_, oh yes this is good idea :) |
| [18:52:44] | Apoth: | can i import frequencies from tvtime? |
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| [18:52:54] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [18:53:11] | drussell_: | Apoth: Analog scanning is broken right now for my HVR-2250 cards, may be broken for the BrookTree cards also... I have some ATI TV Wonders somewhere but haven't tried one lately... |
| [18:53:34] | bas-t: | make |
| [18:53:37] | wagnerrp: | it is? i thought that got fixed years ago |
| [18:54:15] | drussell_: | wagnerrp: Doesn't work for me right now with the latest 0.26-fixes... |
| [18:55:37] | Apoth: | hte callsign field is the frequency? |
| [18:55:54] | drussell_: | Apoth: No, it's on the second page or something... |
| [18:56:15] | wagnerrp: | the callsign is the callsign, an abbreviated name or code word for the channel |
| [18:56:47] | Apoth: | hm, ok |
| [18:56:51] | wagnerrp: | for instance, over here, our broadcasters all have four letter designators to identify them |
| [18:57:33] | sphery: | and in MythTV its sole purpose is to say which channels are equivalent for the purposes of "this channel" recording rules (and, therefore, since you're saying they're equivalent, they should have identical listings data if they have identical callsigns) |
| [18:58:24] | sphery: | but, as wagnerrp said, you can use anything you want for it--as long as different channels have different values |
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| [18:59:21] | drussell_: | Apoth: THIRD page, sorry... First field... "Frequency or Channel:" |
| [18:59:42] | voyo: | sphery: isnt it related (listing data, epg) to xmltvid ? |
| [19:01:04] | Apoth: | yes i found |
| [19:01:21] | sphery: | voyo: no, xmltvid is used for xmltvid :)... that said, it may be used as a piece of the puzzle if you're letting mythfilldatabase guess which MythTV channels correspond to which listings channels (i.e. if you don't specify the xmltvid yourself) |
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| [19:03:30] | sphery: | frequency ID is the value used to tune a channel... it should be a "name" in the specified frequency table (i.e. in the use we have "3" and such, in Europe West they have things like "E3") or the frequency in kHz |
| [19:04:17] | sphery: | or, for an analog capture device hooked to an external tuner (such as a set-top box from a cable company), the "channel number" you need to send to the STB to get it to change to that channel |
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| [19:09:22] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: actually, there's a 4 hexit id for uniqueness... |
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| [19:09:53] | wagnerrp: | hexit? |
| [19:10:16] | tonsofpcs: | hexidecimal 'digit' |
| [19:10:24] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [19:10:30] | wagnerrp: | ... not in analog, there isn't |
| [19:11:20] | tonsofpcs: | actually, there sorta-kinda is.... |
| [19:12:02] | wagnerrp: | well in any case, the callsign is intended to be human usable, and not some numeric ID |
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| [19:15:17] | sphery: | yeah, though MythTV only uses it for channel equivalency in recording rules, it is displayed, frequently, in the UI because, at least here in the US, callsign is generally easily recognizable as a "short" name for a channel |
| [19:15:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: apparently one of the kotaku editors has gotten a lot of anti-gun hate after a photograph of him at bungie holding a halo sniper rifle prop started spreading around facebook |
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| [19:20:22] | voyo: | guys btw, I have some channels where EPG data is not updated. useonairguide is set, for channel, for input.epg on other channels works ok. nothing helpful in logs (with verbose eit ). any suggestion? how to debug it further ? |
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| [19:30:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, that's why I only play video games as characters that wield swords |
| [19:30:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah, like fallout |
| [19:30:37] | sphery: | yeah :) |
| [19:30:53] | sphery: | though currently League of Legends has got my attention |
| [19:31:05] | sphery: | voyo: are you sure they're actually sending EIT data? |
| [19:31:33] | wagnerrp: | or perhaps the EIT data is coming in from a different channel that you don't have configured to scan? |
| [19:31:49] | voyo: | sphery 1000% |
| [19:32:03] | sphery: | like "verified with dvbsnoop" (or whatever it's called)? |
| [19:32:19] | wagnerrp: | or tsreader |
| [19:32:33] | sphery: | if so, it likely means that you're missing some of the information necessary to find/use the EIT data |
| [19:32:42] | sphery: | information which should get put there by a mythtv channel scan |
| [19:32:48] | voyo: | well known channels (hm, I have 3 or 4 like that), EPG is ok on standalone tunner |
| [19:32:52] | sphery: | but for some people in some countries, may not be put there due to some bug |
| [19:33:58] | voyo: | sphery Im not saying I have everything correct, maybe not.. its setup few years old, with large amount of upgrades on it. but thats why Im asking – how to debug to find whats wrong yet |
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| [19:36:02] | sphery: | my recommendation would be to do a complete database backup, Delete all video sources, create new source, connect input, scan for channels, and see if that fixes it. If not, you can restore the old database (or, if the channel scan went well and you didn't break things further, just use it with the more-current channel information) |
| [19:36:37] | voyo: | sphery: after I switch to this channel on liveTV, only I get (with verbose eit) is – "I TVRecEvent eitscanner.cpp:210 (StartPassiveScan) EITScanner (1): Started passive scan." |
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| [19:37:26] | sphery: | meaning what's interesting to know would be whether a mythtv-setup scan (with current mythtv-setup) gets all the information--not what random data needs poking into your database since that data might be missing for any of a number of reasons, many of which completely unrelated to MythTV or, at least, unrelated to current stable MythTV) |
| [19:37:32] | voyo: | sphery: : I think I did this recently, becasue other problems ;) , but yeah, its good suggestion.. |
| [19:38:02] | sphery: | if a new scan doesn't get it, you'll need to find someone who knows EIT and MythTV's usage of it better than I |
| [19:38:12] | voyo: | kk tnx |
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| [19:57:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: is there a way to create custom groups for the wiki protect or are we limited to "administrators only"? |
| [19:57:42] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you can create custom groups, and allow selected groups to manipulate individual protected channels |
| [19:57:56] | sphery: | cool.. was just going to set one up for the howto |
| [19:58:26] | wagnerrp: | or... maybe not |
| [19:58:49] | sphery: | hehe, was looking around for where, but that may explain why I'm not finding it |
| [19:59:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: do you have permissions on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Special:UserRights |
| [20:00:12] | sphery: | I was looking at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Setting_ . . . in_MediaWiki |
| [20:00:12] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [20:00:38] | sphery: | does it allow it? If so, perhaps you could create a group for HOWTO or docs or ... |
| [20:00:38] | wagnerrp: | i'm a bureaucrat, my powers are limitless |
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| [20:01:17] | sphery: | you should change your nick to Hermes |
| [20:01:25] | wagnerrp: | i was wrong before, there are only three levels of protection |
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| [20:01:33] | wagnerrp: | unprotected, semi-protected, and fully protected |
| [20:01:42] | wagnerrp: | semi-protected can only be edited by confirmed users |
| [20:01:49] | wagnerrp: | fully protected can only be edited by admins |
| [20:02:33] | sphery: | ah, so we can't create a custom group |
| [20:02:47] | sphery: | and let only them edit the howto page(s) |
| [20:02:53] | wagnerrp: | seems there are several extensions available to allow such |
| [20:03:33] | sphery: | any preference on that or just set howto to admin only and give admin to anyone who ends up needing it |
| [20:03:38] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:AccessControl |
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| [20:04:04] | sphery: | hehe, "but without its bugs"... sounds perfect :) |
| [20:04:21] | wagnerrp: | i'd rather not be givin' out admin rights, mon |
| [20:04:31] | sphery: | yeah, that makes sense |
| [20:05:11] | sphery: | it's just that getting what I want will likely require some more work on your part or the "easy way", so I figured I'd start negotiations with the easy way |
| [20:05:57] | sphery: | (always better to let the other guy volunteer to do the work than to ask him to do it :) |
| [20:13:21] | sphery: | someone really needs to do a kickstarter for creating a low-idle-power-usage-with-good-headroom, small, quiet box for use in MythTV (having nvidia vdpau-compatible gpu) and other media center pcs |
| [20:13:36] | wagnerrp: | nvidia didn't drop support for the 7-series until the 310 drivers |
| [20:13:41] | sphery: | just so that there's a good solution rather than all the less-than-ideal ones |
| [20:13:42] | wagnerrp: | i could have sworn they did it years ago |
| [20:14:19] | sphery: | hehe, that's good to know--I still use a 7-series in my dev box |
| [20:15:01] | sphery: | I remember when they dropped the 4 series (had to upgrade my video card) |
| [20:15:05] | wagnerrp: | you mean like one of those zotac intel/mobilenvidia boards? |
| [20:15:20] | sphery: | yeah, something like that |
| [20:15:46] | sphery: | even if it's just putting together OTS pieces |
| [20:16:17] | sphery: | just too many "appletv with crystalhd" and "atom" and "why not this arm-based system" threads |
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| [20:21:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, looks like everyone has ditched nvidia for integrated graphics |
| [20:22:08] | wagnerrp: | so it's intel or bust |
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| [20:40:48] | ** Korny really likes his gt520 in his box townstairs ** | |
| [20:41:01] | Korny: | sigh downstairs |
| [20:44:04] | FLeiXiuS: | I love my gt520 as well. |
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| [21:16:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that's too bad... not even any "laptop-like" mobo/gpu combos you could use? |
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| [21:17:22] | wagnerrp: | zotac was the only one i knew of, and they never updated it for 1156/1155 CPUs |
| [21:20:43] | Korny: | FLeiXiuS, is yours passively cooler? |
| [21:20:46] | Korny: | cooled* |
| [21:21:38] | FLeiXiuS: | Korny, Yeah, no fans. |
| [21:22:01] | Korny: | Works best 40 dollar card I own lol |
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| [22:32:52] | Lando_C: | Good <timeofday> |
| [22:33:39] | Lando_C: | I am just beginning to plan a media computer setup for the livingroom |
| [22:35:43] | Korny: | get a 520GT and whatever proccessor you want |
| [22:36:12] | Lando_C: | It'll have to be stuff from the junkbox(es)... |
| [22:37:03] | tgm4883: | hope you have some nice junk boxes |
| [22:37:39] | Korny: | why's that? |
| [22:37:52] | Korny: | 520gt offloads quite well |
| [22:38:20] | tgm4883: | Korny, many people have 520gt's in junk boxes? |
| [22:38:25] | Lando_C: | I have this 3,2 ghz P4 fujitsu scaleo with 1 gig ram, a geforce 5500, vfd display, IR receiver, dvdrw drive, hauppage wintv 1300 card |
| [22:38:39] | ** tgm4883 rests his case ** | |
| [22:38:47] | Lando_C: | and tw ousb DVB-T sticks |
| [22:39:33] | Lando_C: | that I haope to find use for, since the original dirve is long gone and with it the win XPmediacenter |
| [22:39:34] | Korny: | tgm4883, vpadu revision D |
| [22:39:57] | Korny: | it offloads most video decoding to the card |
| [22:40:08] | Lando_C: | haope=hope |
| [22:40:11] | Korny: | my atoms run at 9–10% use while watching 1080p movies |
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| [22:41:50] | Lando_C: | I will be using vga-to-scart-RGB conversion, viewing standard PAL on a 32 inch CRT TV.. |
| [22:42:55] | Lando_C: | the first use for the machine will be converting several cupboards full of VHS tapes, and replacing the stack of three VHS macines acting as our family PVR right now |
| [22:44:02] | Lando_C: | We are on analog cable plus DVB-T for the state TV (svt.se) channels |
| [22:44:26] | tgm4883: | Korny, I'm just saying to go into it with realistic expectations |
| [22:45:24] | tgm4883: | there are far too many people that get fed up with their cable company DVR because it's slow and has crap hardware, decide to build their own from their spare hardware, and wonder why it's not amazingly fast trouble free |
| [22:45:40] | Lando_C: | I have two 1TB usb 2.0 external drives for data (WD and hitachi) |
| [22:46:46] | Lando_C: | I have Lubuntu on the machine righ tnow (typing this) |
| [22:48:46] | Lando_C: | question is mostly about the videocard.. lspci says VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] |
| [22:49:31] | Lando_C: | I have a few others to choose from in the parts box |
| [22:49:50] | Lando_C: | ATI radeon 9800 Pro (R350) |
| [22:50:53] | Korny: | tgm4883, to answer your question, I have a 520gt in a slow junk box |
| [22:51:05] | Korny: | ohhh I remeber my 9800pro, wait I had a 9700 |
| [22:51:12] | Korny: | eitherway thats a bit to old |
| [22:51:26] | Korny: | and provides minimal video acceleration |
| [22:52:13] | Lando_C: | I suspected that |
| [22:52:35] | tgm4883: | you could probably do 1080p software decoding on that processor |
| [22:52:57] | tgm4883: | IIRC, I could almost do it on a xp2500 |
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| [22:54:16] | Lando_C: | What is an Asus N6200 ? |
| [22:55:17] | Lando_C: | I was hoping far a passive cooling card, since the case is so small, and has only the PSU fan left in, and waterblock on the cpu. |
| [22:55:29] | Lando_C: | silence is golden =) |
| [22:55:55] | tgm4883: | a geforce 6200 |
| [22:56:00] | tgm4883: | also really old |
| [22:56:13] | Lando_C: | yeah |
| [22:56:38] | Lando_C: | the machine itself is very old, and has an AGP slot only |
| [22:57:02] | Lando_C: | P4HT 3,2 and DDR 400 ram |
| [22:57:26] | Lando_C: | geforce 6200 is older the geforce FX 5500? |
| [22:57:30] | Lando_C: | than |
| [22:58:34] | Lando_C: | matrox MX40 V ? |
| [22:58:38] | Lando_C: | that has to be real old |
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| [22:58:44] | Lando_C: | mx400 |
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| [22:59:31] | Lando_C: | Gforce 2MX |
| [22:59:32] | Lando_C: | hah |
| [23:00:12] | Lando_C: | S3virge pci (!) |
| [23:00:14] | Lando_C: | lol |
| [23:00:31] | Lando_C: | thats 1990's stuff |
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| [23:09:49] | drussell_: | Should be just fast enough to work, though.... You won't be able to do VDPAU so CPU load will be high on playback but I think it should JUST be enough... It gets hard to find modern video cards that do TV out so I'm using several old ones here as well... |
| [23:10:21] | Lando_C: | 6200 should be a year newer than 5500 |
| [23:10:38] | Lando_C: | 55 was sold with the computer new in 2005... |
| [23:10:42] | Lando_C: | 5500 |
| [23:10:55] | Lando_C: | So the 6200 goes in |
| [23:11:53] | drussell_: | The 5500 is probably a higher level card, actually... |
| [23:12:00] | Lando_C: | It has DVi as well, which I suppose means better picture on the LCD monitor and likely to do TV out independent of the resolutoin an the main monitor, right? |
| [23:12:19] | Lando_C: | hm. |
| [23:13:07] | Lando_C: | I'll have to try them out. the 5550 as is will play youtube at 720p on a 1280x1024 lcd hooked on VGA |
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| [23:13:33] | Lando_C: | FX550 |
| [23:13:57] | Lando_C: | ... I do apologise for my slurry typing... |
| [23:14:04] | Lando_C: | fx5500 |
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| [23:14:17] | drussell_: | Yeah, just try them and find one that works... :-) |
| [23:14:49] | Lando_C: | how DO i find out how much videoram is in there without unscrewingthe case |
| [23:14:50] | Lando_C: | ? |
| [23:15:08] | drussell_: | I think I had it working on an old 5200 AGP here at 1080 once... If I can find the card I'll try it in my debug box |
| [23:15:09] | Lando_C: | ..and is that even important when it comes to watching video? |
| [23:15:56] | drussell_: | Oh wait, that box is PCIe... I'd have to dig up an older board... |
| [23:19:34] | drussell_: | Shouldn't matter... Have a Matrox G400 in one of my frontends and it only has 32mb :-) |
| [23:19:54] | Lando_C: | drussell, Woudl It help much if I only use the fujitsu as frontend and put the TV tuners and disks in some other box? |
| [23:21:02] | drussell_: | Lando_C: You can do that if you need to but since you will be recording things that are already MPEG, as long as you can decode and display with a little processor still free, it should just be enough, I think... |
| [23:21:12] | drussell_: | Lando_C: It'll be close, though... |
| [23:21:17] | Lando_C: | Right, so give enought processor, 3D and Vram is unimportant |
| [23:21:51] | Lando_C: | drussell, but only four of fifteen channels are DVB, the cable is analog RF |
| [23:22:14] | drussell_: | Doesn't your tuner card have an mpeg encoder or not that model? |
| [23:22:20] | Lando_C: | so I will be using the WinTV 1300 for analog |
| [23:22:34] | Lando_C: | framebuffer grabbing I suppose? |
| [23:22:46] | drussell_: | No, the 1300 has an MPEG2 encoder on it... |
| [23:23:13] | drussell_: | I have HVR-2250s here and even recording 4 streams at once it uses only a few % CPU to move the data to disk |
| [23:23:21] | Lando_C: | i dont really know what the TV card can do.. I have a BT848 based card somewhere that once sat in my duron 650.... |
| [23:24:02] | Lando_C: | drussell, are you saying the tv card can likely convert analog to mpeg2 in itself? |
| [23:24:04] | drussell_: | The BrookTree is just a framegrabber, IT would need software encoding but your Hauppauge should do the encoding on the card |
| [23:24:11] | Lando_C: | ahaa.. |
| [23:24:20] | Lando_C: | things have made progress :) |
| [23:24:57] | Lando_C: | Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05) |
| [23:24:57] | Lando_C: | 02:05.1 Multimedia controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [Audio Port] (rev 05) |
| [23:24:58] | Lando_C: | 02:05.2 Multimedia controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [MPEG Port] (rev 05) |
| [23:25:15] | Lando_C: | seem like you migh tbe raight |
| [23:28:17] | drussell_: | If you had a video card that would do VDPAU (I think it started in the mid-high range 8xxx series and then even lower 9xxx GeForce cards... I have a 7600 PCIe and I know it's too old...) |
| [23:28:54] | drussell_: | then you would be fine for playback for sure... Software decoding at 1080 might not leave quite enough CPU, but all I can say is try it and see :-) |
| [23:30:00] | Lando_C: | Does overclocking help much? As i said I have a very over-the-top watercooler (junkbin gift) for it |
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| [23:30:26] | drussell_: | If you just need a tad more CPU, it might, but try it all out first... |
| [23:30:57] | Lando_C: | It reaches 35 degrees C after several hours of no idle |
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| [23:31:20] | drussell_: | I can just do multiple recordings from similar cards and play back with software decoding at 1080 on an AMD 3200+ single core |
| [23:31:28] | Lando_C: | and P4's safety kicks in a 80 or so =) |
| [23:32:08] | drussell_: | Total power hog, though... :-) The AMDs weren't quite as bad in that era for total BTU output lol |
| [23:32:25] | drussell_: | Enough PCs and it heats my house in the winter LOL |
| [23:32:31] | Lando_C: | other option might be using the watercooler to silence my opteron 175 system, ahah |
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| [23:32:41] | Lando_C: | but that would bring the water to boil =) |
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| [23:33:46] | Lando_C: | drussell: but, on a PAl tv via SCART, there should be no problem, right? |
| [23:33:47] | drussell_: | The server chips did suck back quite a bit, that's for sure... Is the 175 one of the ones that was a socket 939? I think the Tyan board currently in my debug box will take those.. A bit faster than the dual core 4400, IIRC |
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| [23:34:16] | Lando_C: | S939 yes.. 110W for just the cpu, at stock speed |
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| [23:34:38] | drussell_: | Yes, you should be golden at SD... Just HD might be tricky to not run out of CPU when the scheduler runs and recording many streams if you're also playing back HD |
| [23:34:50] | Lando_C: | but that one is oomphier that the P4 I suppose, dual core 2,2 must beat hypethread 3,2 ? |
| [23:35:39] | drussell_: | Yes, by far.... Pretty much any dual core AMD from that era will do software decoding in HD and encoding from a framegrabber at the same time |
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| [23:36:03] | Lando_C: | I will get me a bunch of antenna cable then tomorrow and install mythbuntu on this machine |
| [23:37:35] | Lando_C: | but .. since I already have Lubuntu 12.10 on it since yesterday |
| [23:37:46] | Lando_C: | isnt myth install just a matter of packages? |
| [23:38:11] | drussell_: | Yeah, was just going to say, you should be able to just apt-get it or whatever package manager you prefer... |
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| [23:41:48] | drussell_: | Did you get the card to do TV out yet? I haven't tried that for a while but just inherited an HD-capable high-end trinitron, so I'll be digging though my analog cards for something I can make do component :-) |
| [23:43:06] | drussell_: | That's why I dug out the GeForce 7600... I should be able to make it do it one way or another but haven't got to trying it yet... |
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| [23:44:14] | Lando_C: | Haven't tried TV out yet, But I am counting on using the VGa with a composite sync modeline and RGB scart into the TV.. (like on the atari ST back in the days= |
| [23:44:35] | Lando_C: | the nvtv package is download ing right now.. will try it |
| [23:44:55] | Lando_C: | if it does composite video uot i might use that for starters |
| [23:46:11] | drussell_: | Yeah, I figured if the "TV OUT" can't do component I might be able to make a VGA->Component cable and use the right modelines to invent one... |
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| [23:53:32] | Lando_C: | yay!! |
| [23:53:42] | Lando_C: | I have picture and sound |
| [23:53:56] | Lando_C: | DVB-T on the hauppage witha table antenna =) |
| [23:54:09] | Lando_C: | using me-tv |
| [23:54:33] | Lando_C: | that means theoretically dvb will work in myth as well, right? |
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| [23:57:22] | drussell_: | Yes but some of the hybrid tuners can't be set up as both analog and digital in myth and switch automatically... Not sure about the 1300... It will only be able to be used for one at a time for sure but may not even be able to be configured as both in Myth... |
| [23:58:03] | Lando_C: | Then i'll have to put in a DVB usb stick, as the hauppage is neede for analog |
| [23:58:21] | drussell_: | You have two more DVB USB sticks, though, right? I'd just use them for the digital and the 1300 for the analog... |
| [23:58:22] | Lando_C: | and for composite in, rom the VHS |
| [23:58:30] | drussell_: | Yes, exactly... :-) You're faster than I was |
| [23:58:31] | Lando_C: | I want to record old VHS tapes to disk |
| [23:59:07] | Lando_C: | Family memories and such.. |
| [23:59:36] | Lando_C: | We're still buying VHS tapes in 4 -packs for timeshifting though and that has to stop |
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