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| [00:08:51] | jst_: | wagnerrp: yeah, even more reason why it's overpriced |
| [00:09:06] | jst_: | i just don't "get it" when it comes to that company |
| [00:10:09] | tonsofpcs: | that's the first peraon i've seen bash xbmc on rpi.... maybehe didnt buy the mpeg2 license? |
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| [00:27:26] | wagnerrp: | tonsofpcs: no... he just has too many recordings/videos for the UI to handle within the very limited available memory |
| [00:27:46] | wagnerrp: | anyone who isn't bashing XBMC on the Pi is someone who's not trying to push it |
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| [00:29:08] | jst_: | how is xbmc as far as a myth frontend? |
| [00:31:33] | tonsofpcs: | it isnt afaik |
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| [00:45:38] | jst_: | xbmc's web site says myth frontend support is now integrated |
| [00:45:40] | jst_: | hmm |
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| [01:29:58] | monkpet69: | Fry's only had the zotac and that had a loud fan. I might go with a refurbish apple mini. |
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| [01:41:12] | jst_: | monkpet69: the nvidia ion is a godspend for 1080p |
| [01:41:22] | jst_: | i would really look into the acer revo or similar |
| [01:41:33] | jst_: | very minimal power draw |
| [01:41:47] | monkpet69: | let me google it. |
| [01:42:05] | jst_: | i would take nvidia any day over intel or ati |
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| [02:17:20] | wagnerrp: | jst_: a modern CPU and software decoding has very minimal power draw |
| [02:18:14] | wagnerrp: | my ivy bridge eats around 25W idle, and 32W during video playback |
| [02:18:24] | wagnerrp: | at those levels, the PSU is probably running around 40% efficiency |
| [02:18:41] | wagnerrp: | meaning the system is actually closer to 10–20W |
| [02:21:00] | Korny2: | most older ion's are on horribly inefficent mobo's |
| [02:21:37] | Korny2: | I think they improved it with ion2's |
| [02:21:45] | wagnerrp: | well, not exactly |
| [02:22:13] | wagnerrp: | with the ION2, intel dropped the crappy 945 chipset, and integrated most of the components into the CPU |
| [02:22:19] | Korny2: | wagnerrp, From what I've read the older ions chipset took more power then the actual chip |
| [02:22:41] | wagnerrp: | so the ION2 was no longer an integrated graphics chip like the ION1, but was a mobile graphics chip tied into the PCIe bus |
| [02:22:50] | wagnerrp: | it wasn't exactly the same thing |
| [02:23:22] | Korny2: | but it was revision c for vpadu |
| [02:23:40] | wagnerrp: | right, but it was no longer a "platform" per se |
| [02:23:44] | Korny2: | true |
| [02:24:10] | wagnerrp: | ION1 was actually a real, physical thing... it was a 9400m integrated into the north bridge |
| [02:24:33] | wagnerrp: | ION2 really isn't anything, you just take a stock Atom configuration, and you slap a GT218m onto it |
| [02:25:14] | wagnerrp: | but yes, an ION1 would run >30W under load |
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| [05:08:22] | mpet69: | My TV crashed several times today. I had to unplug it once to "reboot" it. |
| [05:09:01] | Korny2: | ok? |
| [05:10:08] | mpet69: | I guess with more software like netflix,youtube,etc pushed into the TV, it makes it more complicated. |
| [05:10:14] | mpet69: | and buggy. |
| [05:10:24] | Korny2: | lol yeah |
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| [05:24:03] | wagnerrp: | took me like 45 minutes before i could actually use my new tv |
| [05:24:11] | wagnerrp: | had to go through so many updates |
| [05:25:53] | tonsofpcs: | heh |
| [05:26:30] | ** Korny2 likes his cheap best by tv with no extra crap ** | |
| [05:26:43] | Korny2: | 55" and 3 hdmi inputs |
| [05:26:53] | wagnerrp: | who needs more than one? |
| [05:27:05] | wagnerrp: | that's what a receiver is for |
| [05:27:05] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [05:27:53] | Korny2: | Exactly! |
| [05:28:06] | Korny2: | Btw HD DTS MA sounds wonderful |
| [05:28:17] | Korny2: | I always used to think sound idn't matter that much |
| [05:31:58] | mpet69: | I had my TV streaming from netflix over wireless before I had it receiving tv broadcasts :) |
| [05:32:15] | mpet69: | cables are hard. |
| [05:32:27] | wagnerrp: | wireless? pffh... |
| [05:32:33] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [05:33:08] | Korny2: | Media should always be hardwired |
| [05:33:10] | Korny2: | ALWAYS |
| [05:33:20] | mpet69: | embrace the cloud. |
| [05:33:50] | wagnerrp: | how? it's so fluffy and nebulous |
| [05:34:47] | Korny2: | wagnerrp, so nice being able to TALK in channel again! |
| [05:35:17] | wagnerrp: | and not have to worry about getting hounded for help by someone who cannot provide logs? |
| [05:35:40] | Korny2: | To his defense he did provide logs |
| [05:35:46] | Korny2: | just they didn't have anythign in them :P |
| [05:35:48] | wagnerrp: | sometimes |
| [05:35:58] | Korny2: | I sitll don't understand what he did |
| [05:36:07] | Korny2: | mythbuntu is NOT hard to set up with an hdhrprime |
| [05:36:41] | mpet69: | the only tricky part is calling up your cable company. |
| [05:37:12] | Korny2: | IF you have the right number for comcast its easy |
| [05:37:25] | Korny2: | they actually ahve techs who understand them |
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| [06:00:46] | tonsofpcs: | i've heard that the trick is to tell them you have a tivo you need a cablecard for and they lose the deer-in-headlights look |
| [06:01:59] | Korny2: | yes thats one way |
| [06:02:07] | Korny2: | Thats what I did at our local office |
| [06:02:12] | Korny2: | it ensures you get an M card |
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| [09:39:32] | zoran119: | i tried to scheduled a recording but mythtv decided not to record it due to a conflict |
| [09:39:51] | Korny2: | ok |
| [09:40:07] | zoran119: | i then cancelled the other recording and tried to re-schedule the first recording |
| [09:40:22] | zoran119: | however, myth insists that there is a conflict |
| [09:40:48] | zoran119: | it is like the show was flagged as conflicting and i cannot clear the flag |
| [09:41:20] | zoran119: | what can i do to tell myth that i have fixed the conflict? |
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| [09:46:08] | Bray90820: | so where would i get the current version of mythbuntu control center |
| [09:58:18] | Bray90820: | nevermind i found it |
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| [11:53:05] | fbnts: | Hi, I am still having issues with the metadata image download. According to the frontend logs its download the coverart and saving it to the back end however it is creating an empty file on the backend. The only error I can find in either frontend or backend log is: MetadataImageDownload metadataimagedownload.cpp:266 (run) Image Download: Error Writing Image to file: myth://Coverart@192.168.5.200:6543/8470_coverart.jpg |
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| [15:29:06] | jitterb: | can someone give me an idea of their average nvidia chip temps when mythtv is playing back 1080i? Just noticed mine goes all the way up to 70+ C (36 C when not playing back) |
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| [15:50:29] | Guest26073: | hi everyone. i am experiencing a lot of problems with my mythtv-box, especially with live tv. At first i want top say, that the system ist mainly working well, and allready about 4 years old. these are only perfomance issues, which i hope someone could maybe help me with |
| [15:50:36] | Guest26073: | first problem ist when switching channels i get: |
| [15:50:50] | Guest26073: | mythfrontend[3255]: W CoreContext ringbuffer.cpp:526 (Start) RingBuf(/mythtv/recordings/livetv/29108_20130203154208.mpg): Not starting read ahead thread, already running |
| [15:51:03] | Guest26073: | here's the complete output when switching channels: |
| [15:51:10] | Guest26073: | http://pastebin.com/FebzZtUd |
| [15:51:39] | Guest26073: | this happens everytime i switch channels. Any idea? what can i do about this? Thank you very much in advance! |
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| [16:15:47] | wagnerrp: | backend logs are more important when trying to debug recording issues |
| [16:15:57] | tafkaz: | i see |
| [16:16:27] | tafkaz: | well i can try to find |
| [16:16:30] | tafkaz: | moment |
| [16:16:57] | wagnerrp: | also, the more logs the better... don't try to take an excerpt of what you think is important |
| [16:18:11] | tafkaz: | http://pastebin.com/J8GRXSvJ |
| [16:18:35] | tafkaz: | that is what happens in the backend.log while switching channels |
| [16:18:52] | tafkaz: | and no, it's not an excerpr. it's all that happens while switching |
| [16:18:55] | tafkaz: | channel |
| [16:20:49] | wagnerrp: | TVRecEvent dvbsignalmonitor.cpp:91 (DVBSignalMonitor) DVBSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): Cannot count Uncorrected Blocks#012#011#011#011eno: Die Argumentliste ist zu lang (7) |
| [16:21:01] | wagnerrp: | i'm not too well read on that section of code |
| [16:21:21] | wagnerrp: | but that might be saying you are experiencing too many uncorrectable decoding errors? |
| [16:21:30] | wagnerrp: | your DVB signal quality is too low? |
| [16:22:57] | tafkaz: | hm. not really i think. seems good while watching TV |
| [16:23:17] | tafkaz: | but i can have a look on that when the suns starts shining again, so i can climb to the roof |
| [16:23:19] | tafkaz: | :-D |
| [16:23:30] | wagnerrp: | most tvs tend to to have more robust tuners than found in tuner cards |
| [16:24:02] | tafkaz: | i use a dbb-s card to watch tv |
| [16:24:57] | wagnerrp: | so you're saying it works fine with an external satellite receiver box? |
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| [16:25:08] | wagnerrp: | when you say... "seems good while watching tv" |
| [16:25:14] | wagnerrp: | i assume that means something independent of mythtv |
| [16:25:36] | tafkaz: | no, i wasnt saying that. i was only saying, that watching tv is pretty ok, these errors only appear when switching channel |
| [16:25:58] | tafkaz: | all watchin live tv through myth that is |
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| [16:26:11] | wagnerrp: | oh, so it's just issues of the livetv chain unsuccessfully switching from one recording to the next |
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| [16:26:20] | tafkaz: | i think so yes |
| [16:26:46] | tafkaz: | the switch takes a bit too long, sometimes it just hangs even |
| [16:26:57] | tafkaz: | after a while live tv will be ok then though |
| [16:27:31] | tafkaz: | until the next show begins...thats where live tv hangs another time. not sure if this is another or the same issue. |
| [16:27:42] | tafkaz: | dont have logs for that yet |
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| [16:37:27] | tafkaz: | don't know what i could do to better this? |
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| [16:38:14] | wagnerrp: | there have recently been some fixes with regards to livetv usage, but i'm not sure if they were ever backported from the developmental version |
| [16:38:39] | wagnerrp: | although most of the complaints i've been hearing about livetv has been analog tuners, and specifically MPEG encoder cards |
| [16:38:54] | tafkaz: | funny enough: when running back in 0.24 times i didnt have any issues |
| [16:39:17] | tafkaz: | they started with 0.25 and are still there now with 0.26 |
| [16:39:30] | tafkaz: | same machine of course |
| [16:40:10] | tafkaz: | and these fixes you are talking about would be in 0.27? |
| [16:40:12] | wagnerrp: | few developers, and few people running the developmental version, make much use of livetv, so often times bugs that are created under certain usage behaviors go unnoticed until well after release |
| [16:40:27] | tafkaz: | sure. |
| [16:40:48] | wagnerrp: | these are issues that cropped up during 0.26 |
| [16:41:02] | tafkaz: | i see |
| [16:41:17] | tafkaz: | so just wait and see what happens with the next updates you are saying? |
| [16:42:20] | wagnerrp: | just keep an eye on the commits list, and watch for any that seem related to livetv usage |
| [16:42:37] | tafkaz: | where can i find that list? |
| [16:43:34] | tafkaz: | 0.27 is still not even beta and therefor not adviseable, or am i wrong? |
| [16:46:00] | tafkaz: | there you go: This is what happens in the backend.log whenever you watch live-tv between one show and another: |
| [16:46:28] | tafkaz: | http://pastebin.com/LVpBjqvb |
| [16:46:33] | tafkaz: | maybe this helps |
| [16:46:53] | tafkaz: | no switching channels this time, just one show ended next show starts |
| [16:51:23] | Oleg_: | well, I decided to compile and install 0.27 and it seems quite stable |
| [16:51:29] | wagnerrp: | we don't really do "beta" releases |
| [16:51:34] | tafkaz: | ok... |
| [16:51:54] | wagnerrp: | the development branch is generally stable and usable, and i've actually been using it in production for years |
| [16:52:14] | tafkaz: | so are you saying, that changing from 0.26 to 0.27 in the mythbuntu control centre is pretty safe? |
| [16:52:39] | wagnerrp: | people using it just have to understand that there could be commits that unintentionally break mythtv, and there could be commits that intentionally break mythtv |
| [16:52:54] | tafkaz: | i see |
| [16:52:56] | wagnerrp: | users running it are supposed to be self sufficiency, and capable of debugging their own issues to some degree |
| [16:53:06] | wagnerrp: | *sufficient |
| [16:53:12] | tafkaz: | which i think i am kinda |
| [16:53:25] | tafkaz: | hm. thinking |
| [16:53:53] | wagnerrp: | once major changes have had a chance to mature a bit, the development branch goes into a feature freeze for a month or two |
| [16:54:05] | wagnerrp: | followed by one or more release candidates, and a stable release |
| [16:54:31] | Oleg_: | but I recorded some show with mythbackend 0.27, and when I enabled atsc cc, there were times cc wasn't displayed at all |
| [16:54:32] | wagnerrp: | the feature freeze period could be considered "beta", and normal development "alpha" |
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| [16:55:43] | tafkaz: | that puts some enlightment into that |
| [16:55:46] | tafkaz: | thank you |
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| [16:56:50] | Oleg_: | for example, a person says something, and the atsc subs don't get displayed, but if he says something in the next few seconds, the subs get displayed |
| [16:57:25] | tafkaz: | Oleg any problems using livetv with 0.27? |
| [16:57:45] | wagnerrp: | should be the same or fewer issues than people saw in 0.26 |
| [16:57:59] | Oleg_: | tafkaz, no, if I use the up and down arrows for switching channels |
| [17:00:52] | tafkaz: | sorry? i think i dont understand |
| [17:01:07] | tafkaz: | what happens when you use the up and down arrows |
| [17:01:36] | wagnerrp: | it cycles the OSD through what shows are on those channels |
| [17:01:44] | wagnerrp: | and then you hit select to change the channel to it |
| [17:02:40] | tafkaz: | i know wagnerrp, but i just didnt get what Oleg_ was talking then! :-) |
| [17:03:25] | Oleg_: | yes, so mythfrontend doesn't segfault if I use this method for switching channels, but if I simply type a channel number, then mythfrontend often segfaults |
| [17:04:46] | Oleg_: | but I had the same problem with livetv 0.26 too |
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| [20:20:48] | Quantum7: | Running the frontend remotely for the first time, "No recordings available, or screen loading..." |
| [20:21:15] | Quantum7: | 6543/4, 3306 open. |
| [20:21:46] | Quantum7: | I x2go over to the backend machine and run the frontend there, and same thing. |
| [20:22:01] | Quantum7: | Running locally, it works fine. |
| [20:22:18] | Quantum7: | Debian Testing & 0.27 from about a week ago. |
| [20:26:00] | wagnerrp: | any chance you're actually running two independent databases or backends? |
| [20:26:46] | Quantum7: | Nope. Same as always. Only thing new is the remote frontend. |
| [20:27:11] | wagnerrp: | you didn't accidentally configure the remote frontend to use its own database? |
| [20:27:28] | wagnerrp: | what is the host specified in ~/.mythtv/config.xml? |
| [20:27:56] | wagnerrp: | your backend is configured to listen on your network accessible address, and not the default 127.0.0.1? |
| [20:28:04] | Quantum7: | No database running on the remote. (lsof -i -n -P) |
| [20:28:28] | Quantum7: | On remote database is set to 192.168.1.3:3306 |
| [20:29:03] | wagnerrp: | what is set to 192.168.1.3:3306? |
| [20:29:18] | Quantum7: | database settings in the remote frontend. |
| [20:29:23] | wagnerrp: | presumably 192.168.1.3 and 3306 are defined for different values? not in the same value? |
| [20:29:43] | Quantum7: | Yes, in their proper places. |
| [20:30:31] | Quantum7: | Hm, in config.xml: <LocalHostName>my-unique-identifier-goes-here</LocalHostName> |
| [20:30:58] | Quantum7: | <Command>echo 'WOLsqlServerCommand not set'</Command> |
| [20:31:16] | Quantum7: | Otherwise correct. |
| [20:31:37] | Quantum7: | Also this is happening on the backend server when I access it through x2go. |
| [20:38:42] | Quantum7: | I know it can handle more than one frontend, as I've done it before. |
| [20:39:22] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you've got a filter on your listed recordings |
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| [20:41:19] | Quantum7: | I've put the respective hostnames in config.xml files on server and remote frontend machines, and no help. |
| [20:41:43] | wagnerrp: | what address did you tell your master backend to listen to? |
| [20:41:59] | Quantum7: | 192.168.1.3 |
| [20:42:16] | Quantum7: | It's also listening on 127.0.0.1 |
| [20:42:27] | Quantum7: | (lsof -i -n -P) |
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| [20:46:19] | Quantum7: | I've just let Bill in to run alot of tests for MythTV Android. Maybe I just need to reboot. We found several bugs, including one in the 0.27 database. |
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| [20:50:39] | Quantum7: | He posted a patch, but it was immediately rejected, as usual. |
| [20:50:54] | wagnerrp: | rejected as usual? |
| [20:51:29] | Quantum7: | Yes, every patch I've seen submitted has been rejected. And this one only took 30 minutes... |
| [20:51:29] | sheppard: | rejected as per usual! |
| [20:51:35] | wagnerrp: | if you're referring to #11391 |
| [20:51:35] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11391 ** | |
| [20:51:44] | wagnerrp: | it was rejected not because it was not a bug that needed fixing |
| [20:51:57] | wagnerrp: | but because it is going to be fixed in a very different manner than the patch had sone |
| [20:51:59] | wagnerrp: | *done |
| [20:52:11] | Quantum7: | That's the one. |
| [20:52:30] | wagnerrp: | a bug ticket would have been left open, but the patch did not modify things according to the planned fix, so it was closed |
| [20:52:33] | wagnerrp: | it's that simple |
| [20:52:41] | Quantum7: | Well maybe Bill understood that, but alot of us didn't. |
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| [20:53:11] | wagnerrp: | and it is a bug that WILL be fixed prior to the release of 0.27 |
| [20:53:37] | wagnerrp: | however anyone running developmental code should understand that at any given time, many things may not work |
| [20:54:03] | Quantum7: | Goes without saying. That's not what we were talking about. |
| [20:54:47] | Quantum7: | Anyway, MythTV Android 1.0.4 doesn't work with 0.27, but he's already got it fixed and is preparing a new release. |
| [20:55:08] | wagnerrp: | that patch would not have fixed mythtv android |
| [20:55:30] | Quantum7: | Of course. Nut the database bug was one of several we found. |
| [20:55:35] | Quantum7: | *But |
| [20:55:45] | wagnerrp: | that patch did not depict any bug in the databse |
| [20:55:56] | Quantum7: | pfff |
| [20:56:40] | Quantum7: | OK then there is a bug in the database we've found that has not been fixed then. |
| [20:56:40] | wagnerrp: | that patch tried to fix a bug in mythtv-setup, but did so without actually understanding what the bug was |
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| [20:58:11] | wagnerrp: | i think i pissed him off... |
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| [21:07:22] | wagnerrp: | Quantum7: that patch was modifying the list of addresses selected by ServerPool::SelectDefaultListen to include everything |
| [21:07:27] | wagnerrp: | which is completely contrary to its purpose |
| [21:07:40] | Quantum7: | See here's the thing: Someone finds a bug. They don't just go to the trouble of filing a bug report... but they make a best shot to help you fix it as well. And what happens? They get whacked. |
| [21:07:55] | wagnerrp: | its purpose is specifically to provide a restricted list of addresses that various servers will listen on |
| [21:08:08] | wagnerrp: | that is not where the bug lies, and that is not where the bug should be fixed |
| [21:08:32] | wagnerrp: | the bug is in mythtv-setup, in that it incorrectly uses this list as the list of addresses available to be selected from |
| [21:09:09] | wagnerrp: | the patch effectively invalidated the entire purpose of that setting in mythtv-setup even existing |
| [21:09:24] | wagnerrp: | it covered up one bug by introducing another |
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| [21:09:42] | wagnerrp: | so, it got whacked |
| [21:10:02] | Quantum7: | People trying to contribute and help, always get slapped. No kind words. I know Myth is a complex bit of machinery, and I'm sure we all respect the devs for the work they do. But it would benefit the project to be a little less insecure and more open-minded. Open the tent and get a little fresh air. |
| [21:10:50] | wagnerrp: | kind words? sure, i didn't thank him for the patch, but i didn't say anything to offend him either |
| [21:11:13] | wagnerrp: | i merely said the patch did not fix the bug in the manner it needs to be fixed, explained how it would be fixed, and closed it |
| [21:11:52] | Quantum7: | I don't know what transpired here, but when I've watched before, the bug report and patch were just slapped closed. |
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| [21:12:14] | wagnerrp: | yes, they were not accepted, so they were closed "wont fix" |
| [21:13:24] | Quantum7: | Look, Myth is a great work and I've used it for years. I understand if the patch doesn't fit. But lots of patches don't fit, so maybe there's not enough documentation or something. People want to help. |
| [21:14:32] | Quantum7: | Now see; that's the nicest Ive ever said that... |
| [21:15:04] | Quantum7: | Anyway, gotta go archive some TV shows... |
| [21:15:22] | wagnerrp: | surely people wanting to help would prefer their patches rejected with an explanation in short order, rather than rotting on trac for years |
| [21:16:29] | Quantum7: | Sure, and I think Bill got his explanation. He didn't sound nonplussed, but it sounded like the same old thing to me. If no one backs me up, maybe it's not an issue anymore. |
| [21:17:06] | Quantum7: | So... |
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| [21:32:54] | StevenR: | so... same time as last week, mythtv attempted to start recording two programmes at the same time on the same DVB multiplex and it fails in some fashion and won't play the things it claims to be recording (it normally will play, but it's only at this time that it fails). The logfiles seem strangely devoid of any errors, apart from "file should be local but it can't be found" |
| [21:33:30] | StevenR: | I ended up needing to reboot the box to get it to start actually recording |
| [21:34:13] | StevenR: | is there a way of logging more or somewhere else I should be looking to gather more information about this issue? |
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| [22:33:16] | tonsofpcs: | StevenR: what version? what capture device? |
| [22:34:33] | tonsofpcs: | anyway, it looks like the local station that's having PSIP issues (TVCT missing?) isn't fixing it any time soon. Is there some way that I can change the selection method to be PID locked instead of PSIP based? |
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| [22:37:30] | StevenR: | tonsofpcs: there are two Hauppage USB DVB sticks, and dpkg -l says 2:0.25.2+fixes.20120802.46cab93–0ubuntu1 |
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