Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, January 31st, 2013, 00:00 UTC

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jpabq:

mythtv-setup is used configure myth, not to run it in normal operation. Your distribution probably is starting it for you. Maybe there is a /etc/init.d/mythbackend or something like that. For example, if you are using ubuntu you may want to ask on the ubuntu-mythtv channel for help.

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Bray90820:

are you asking how to start the frontend

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Bray90820:

if you're not asking that then i am confused

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jpabq:

If you are running ubuntu, I would suggest asking how mythbackend gets started in #ubuntu-mythtv

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bill6502:

Bray90820: your backend is started from this: /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf

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Bray90820:

ok

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Bray90820:

so what should i do

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Bray90820:

what should i do now

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bill6502:

sudo stop mythtv-backend then sudo start mythtv-backend

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bill6502:

then to be sure, post the output of: ps ax|grep mythbackend|grep -v grep

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Bray90820:

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ain6wTmV

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bill6502:

Bray90820: Not good. You should have a single copy of the backend running and the suggested changes aren't (e.g. --logpath /var/log/mythtv.)

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Bray90820:

hum

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Bray90820:

how would i fix that

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bill6502:

Type: sudo stop mythtv-backend, then sudo pkill mythbackend until you can do that ps command and see no backend running.

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Bray90820:

i dont really know what the ps command is

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bill6502:

This one: ps ax|grep mythbackend|grep -v grep

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Bray90820:

ok

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bill6502:

It means process status, if that's what you were asking.

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Bray90820:

so i do stop mythtv-backend

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Bray90820:

then what

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bill6502:

Now make sure it's stopped with ps ax|grep mythbackend|grep -v grep

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bill6502:

I'm making sure because of the line in your log that says: "...Failed listening on TCP 127.0.0.1:6543 – Error 8: The bound address is already in use"

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Bray90820:

how would i know if it is stopped

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bill6502:

When the ps command returns nothing.

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Bray90820:

ok

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bill6502:

Good: now let's see if the suggested changes are there, type: grep mythbackend /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf it should return just one line, so paste the output here.

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Bray90820:

i never successfully stopped everything

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Bray90820:

i do stop mythtv-backend oncesucessfully and i got output from ps ax|grep mythbackend|grep -v grep so i ran it again and it said Unknown instance

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bill6502:

That's good. Now this please: grep mythbackend /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf

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Bray90820:

but i still get output from ps ax|grep mythbackend|grep -v grep

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bill6502:

What does it say?

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Bray90820:

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XEB2qmX2

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bill6502:

ok, let's try it this way: sudo kill -9 6763

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bill6502:

does that reduce the output of the ps from 4 lines to 3?

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Bray90820:

yes

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Bray90820:

should i do that for all the lines

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Bray90820:

of course changing the number

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bill6502:

yes

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Bray90820:

ok

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Bray90820:

ok all the output is gone

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bill6502:

Now the output of this: grep mythbackend /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf

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Bray90820:

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0e2QqdkA

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bill6502:

copy and paste exactly the following line:

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bill6502:

grep mythbackend /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf

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Bray90820:

LANG=$LANG /usr/bin/mythbackend --syslog local7 --user mythtv

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bill6502:

OK, you didn't add the changes jpabq suggested, so let's try plan B, do this please:

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bill6502:

sudo mythbackend --user mythtv --nodblog --syslog none --logpath /tmp -v channel,record &

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Bray90820:

i thought i did sorry if i didn't

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bill6502:

np

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bill6502:

when that finishes, let's make life easier, install pastebinit by doing this:

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bill6502:

sudo apt-get install pastebinit

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Bray90820:

should i put the &

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bill6502:

yes

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Bray90820:

ok

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Bray90820:

if you wan the output here it is

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Bray90820:

[1] 14671

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MythLogBot:

SVN 1: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/ce7a5f62

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justinh:

well, I got email working today. I NEVER want to do that again.

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justinh:

the 'joys' of self-hosting eh

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bill6502:

Bray90820: Type: cd /tmp;ls -lrt

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Bray90820:

something odd i got when i ran sudo apt-get install pastebinit

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Bray90820:

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xdyy3fYE

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bill6502:

Bray90820: np, there should be a file in /tmp named mythbackend.20130130........log right:

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bill6502:

*right?

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Bray90820:

sadly no

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bill6502:

no files starting with: mythbackend..... ?

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Bray90820:

none

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jpabq:

Bray90820: what happens if you run "sudo mythbackend --user mythtv --nodblog --syslog none --logpath /tmp -v channel,record" without the & ? Does it prompt you for a password?

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jpabq:

Bray90820: actually if you have NOT done what I just asked yet, first try simply typing fg

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Bray90820:

other then my sudo password no other password is asked for

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Bray90820:

i did try it

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bill6502:

and you were looking for that mythbackend log file in /tmp correct?

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Bray90820:

yes

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Bray90820:

i did cd /tmp

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Bray90820:

the ls

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Bray90820:

and nothing

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Bray90820:

well not thing just no mythbackend

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Bray90820:

not nothing just not mythbackend

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Bray90820:

pardon my languge but this is just ficked up

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Bray90820:

i have been here for like the past 3 weeks trying to get this thing working

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Bray90820:

fucked up

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jpabq:

It can be very frustrating for someone without linux experience.

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bill6502:

Plan C (and probably my last) type this:

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Bray90820:

i do have minimal experience

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bill6502:

sudo mythbackend --user mythtv

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Bray90820:

i setup smba ssh and daapd

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wagnerrp:

Bray90820: please watch the language

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Bray90820:

wagnerrp sorry

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Bray90820:

but bill6502 when i ran sudo mythbackend --user mythtv it did not ask me for a password

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bill6502:

Bray90820: did you get any output?

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Bray90820:

yes

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Korny:

evening all, Bray90820 you're back :)

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** wagnerrp goes back to banning wiki users **

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Bray90820:

korny i am

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** wagnerrp wonders if that was yoda-speak **

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Korny:

lol

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bill6502:

Bray90820: can paste it somewhere?

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Bray90820:

ok

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Korny:

pastebin

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Bray90820:

well the output is really weird

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Bray90820:

it's ongoing output

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Bray90820:

so here is some of it

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Bray90820:

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UPMjjbac

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bill6502:

That's I couldn't understand why a file hadn't been created in /tmp (with --logpath /tmp ), so now abort this with ctrl-C.

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Bray90820:

the file showed after running the last code

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Bray90820:

so the file is there now

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bill6502:

Can't pretend to understand that, but type: pastebinit /tmp/mythbackend.20130130* and just put the link here.

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Korny:

Bray90820, I haven't been channel whats your current issue?

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Bray90820:

my issue is some things wont record

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Korny:

You have an HD-HR Prime don't you?

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Bray90820:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/1591936/

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Korny:

if I remeber right

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Bray90820:

korny i do

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Bray90820:

but i am already getting help

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Bray90820:

but thank anyways

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Korny:

Have you checked to see if you can tune the channel live?

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Bray90820:

yes i have

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Korny:

Cable companies sometimes block specific programs from being recorded...

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Bray90820:

i can watch it

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Korny:

Well good luck

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Bray90820:

some things on the channel record bot others dont

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Bray90820:

kory thank you

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Bray90820:

korny

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Bray90820:

thank you

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Bray90820:

but korny it's not blocked i can record it on my tivo

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Korny:

Does it show up as a failed recording?

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Korny:

A well just a thought

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wagnerrp:

that's because tivo is a cablecard licensed device

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wagnerrp:

and you access the recording remotely, over tivo-to-go?

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Bray90820:

i have a cable card in my hd hr prime

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Bray90820:

but anyways bill6502 what should i do

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wagnerrp:

that's the real test

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bill6502:

Bray90820: I was just trying to get jpabq's suggesting working in the mythbuntu environment. The easiest way, based on the last hour+ seems to be this:

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bill6502:

sudo mythbackend --user mythtv --nodblog --syslog none --logpath /tmp -v channel,record

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Bray90820:

so should i enter that code

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bill6502:

yes, but I'd suggest using the ps used before to verify that the backend isn't running before doing it.

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Bray90820:

ok

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Bray90820:

as i said before it's ongoing output

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Bray90820:

and here is some of it

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Bray90820:

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VSXxdDBV

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bill6502:

Right, but, per line 6 of that, you should see a file named: /tmp/mythbackend.20130130193949.16108.log and you can use pastebinit /tmp/mythbackend.20130130193949.16108.log to post that

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bill6502:

file when you have recording that fails.

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Bray90820:

so what should i do?

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bill6502:

I'd suggest scheduling a recording, on a channel that you had a failure on before. When it completes use pastebinit on the log file.

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Bray90820:

what if it fails

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bill6502:

But, a few minutes ago, I saw that you were assuming that if the recording worked on your Tivo, that it would work with MythTV. That isn't a valid comparison (Digital Right Management and all.)

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Korny:

Is there a way to highlight unwatched movies with videos?

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Korny:

My wife is asking

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Bray90820:

well it worked last wednesday on that channel but yesterday it did not

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Korny:

You're running 0.26 right/

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Korny:

?

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Bray90820:

well my setup was broken so and i had parts of 0.26 and 0.25 tgm4883 helped me downgrade everything to 0.25

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bill6502:

Bray90820: If it failed after Jan 29 23:25:07, then I suspect the cause was multiple copies of the backend running. Recall that you had 4.

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Bray90820:

it failed January 29th :19:00

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Bray90820:

but i am having problems with more then 1 channel

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Bray90820:

so i should setup a recording and what?

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bill6502:

I'm headed out in a few minutes, but my understanding was that capturing the log with the -v channel,record options would provide more info to diagnose your problem. So, you need to schedule a recording(s) and provide those logs to folks who know your tuner (I don't, I record Over The Air shows.) Best of luck to you.

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Korny:

quick question, dealing with a backup i made if I have a dta HD MA stream and a regular pro logic II stream will mythtv default to what stream it supports?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv should prefer the DTSMA over AC3

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Korny:

But lets say I have an ion box upstairs

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Korny:

will downgrade to ac3?

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wagnerrp:

preferences are the same

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Korny:

but ion doesn't support dtsma is what I'm getting at

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wagnerrp:

then it will decode and send LPCM

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Korny:

which for that box will be fine because its hdmi to a TV

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Korny:

So I don't need to keep putting pro logic as a secondary audio stream then?

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wagnerrp:

it's probably not a bad idea to continue doing so

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wagnerrp:

on the chance you want to open it with something that doesn't support DTSMA

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Korny:

true

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wagnerrp:

it's not like the AC3 track is consequential compared to 30GB of video data

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Korny:

lol no I'm encoding down to about 9–10GB but yeah

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wagnerrp:

to h265? someone has already released a spec codec?

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Korny:

h264?

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wagnerrp:

but the content is already h264 (or vc1)

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Korny:

I bought some bluerays for my wife and I like putting em on the server

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Korny:

and while HD's are cheap, they aren't free :)

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wagnerrp:

there aren't many bluray that use mpeg2

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Korny:

none, its not in the spec

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wagnerrp:

?

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wagnerrp:

oh, yes... mpeg2 is an optional format in the bluray spec

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Korny:

is it?

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Korny:

why?

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wagnerrp:

my copy of talledega knights is mpeg2

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Korny:

Honestly at 10Kbit I can't tell the different between a blueray and my copy

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Korny:

on my 55"

[04:47:18]

Korny:

and definately not on my 32" in the bedroom lol

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Korny:

My encodes are faster then real time, so its not really that much effort

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wagnerrp:

24.5Mbps MPEG Video (Version 2) (Main@High)

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wagnerrp:

pretty low end, only single layer

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Korny:

Just averaged 52 FPS on the last one I did

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Korny:

That quality is horrible

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wagnerrp:

heh, i would say so

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Korny:

thats worse then a 9 gig x264

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wagnerrp:

you should be getting closer to 5.2fps

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Korny:

whys that?

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wagnerrp:

and that's assuming modest quality settings

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Korny:

6 core amd?

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wagnerrp:

older STARS core?

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Korny:

And no change in resolation on a high profile from handbrake

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Korny:

sigh resolution

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Korny:

am3+ not sure on the core

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xur17:

One of my channels is recording at the wrong aspect ratio – is there some way to modify the recording's aspect ratio? All of my other recordings are fine, but stuff from this one channel come out weird (even if I play the raw file in something like vlc).

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wagnerrp:

xur17: what type of tuner?

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xur17:

dvb qam – wintv-hvr-950q

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Korny:

I should add the last movie I was doing was a Computer animated movie, my current one first pass is only 19 fps hehe

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wagnerrp:

yeah, aspect ratio is encoded into the file itself by the broadcaster

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wagnerrp:

you can't change it

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wagnerrp:

first pass?

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xur17:

I'm guessing they are sending the wrong aspect ratio for this show for some odd reason – no way to modify it?

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Korny:

I do 2 pass constant quality, I don't trust RF

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wagnerrp:

you can remux it and specify a different aspect ratio

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Korny:

Wait

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Korny:

Not constant quality

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xur17:

Is there a way to do that losslessly?

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Korny:

or bitrate, 2 pass average bitrate of 9k

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wagnerrp:

all multi-pass encoding gets you is the ability to accurately hit a specific file size

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wagnerrp:

if you don't care about the file size, just set a decent quantizer, like 20–21, and let the encoder go

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wagnerrp:

xur17: remuxing is lossless

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Korny:

20–21 is dvd quality I thought I read

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Korny:

18 or so was blueray

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wagnerrp:

it's like taking the contents of a zip file and putting in a tarball

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wagnerrp:

Korny: no, it has nothing to do with dvd or bluray

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xur17:

wagnerrp: How do I go about doing that? I know how to use mythtranscode, but I don't see any options for aspect ratio. A command line tool is fine too – I can setup a job to handle it if need be.

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Korny:

is it how much detail is scraficed

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wagnerrp:

18 is supposed to be perceivably lossless from the original source

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wagnerrp:

resolution is irrelevant

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Korny:

tell yah what when I'm done with this encode I'll do rf 18 and see if I can see the difference :)

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wagnerrp:

bluray and dvd are both equivalent quality

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wagnerrp:

bluray is just that quality with much higher resolution

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wagnerrp:

basically, the quantizer tells the encoder how much data to truncate when performing the DCT computation

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wagnerrp:

lower numbers means less truncation and less quality loss

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Korny:

so if I run 18 it should decrease file size but still give me basically the same video

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Korny:

vs having to set bit rates

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wagnerrp:

if you run 18, it well might increase your file size

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Korny:

well I'll still try it :) all it wastes is my time while sleeping :)

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Korny:

One thing I will say is hardware decoders are prettier then software lol(thinking about vpdau

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Korny:

well wagnerrp doign an encode with rf20 rf 19 and rf18 just to see the difference :)

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wagnerrp:

well rest assured that rf20 will be much higher than 9Mbps

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Bray90820:

Anyone here have an HD Homerun Prime wanna help me with a problem of things not recording

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Pluribus:

Bray90820: I can try. Did it just stop or is this a new HDHR?

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Bray90820:

it's a new HDHR prime but the odd thing some things record and some things dont

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Bray90820:

it picks and chooses what to record

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Pluribus:

I ask because some firmware revs would just stop recording and required a powercycle of the prime to start again.

[06:20:53]

Pluribus:

Hmm. Do you know what rev of FW it has?

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Bray90820:

20130117

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Bray90820:

but it was doing that befor i upgraded

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Pluribus:

(Just browse to the IP of the prime and you can see it. Same page you went to for info to activate the cable card

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Bray90820:

i got it on christmas

[06:22:41]

Bray90820:

i dont think it's actually an HDHR problem i think it's a mythtv error

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Pluribus:

Hmm, newer than mine. (I am still on 20121226beta1, (sorry you cant backrev it due to cable labs requirements.) Does the mythbackend log anything when it tries to record?

[06:25:02]

Bray90820:

i can show you my mythbackend logs if you want

[06:25:28]

Pluribus:

You can throw it to pastebin.com and paste the bin link here.

[06:26:13]

Bray90820:

well i can't use pastebin

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Bray90820:

the logs are to big

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Pluribus:

Things that I personally did wrong when I first setup mine... 1) not putting all three tuners into myth.

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Bray90820:

i have all 3 in myth

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Bray90820:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33402675/Log.txt

[06:27:09]

Bray90820:

that is a link to my logs

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Korny:

Bray90820, can you estimate what time your recordings failed?

[06:28:28]

Bray90820:

actually i can

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Korny:

was it on nick?

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Korny:

HD

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Pluribus:

Check the log on the prime at the same timestamp as your failed recording make sure the is a subscribed channel (You may have lost authorization)

[06:30:21]

Korny:

for the record comcast here blocks Nick HD for whatever reason

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Korny:

and gives me a no copy flag

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Bray90820:

it was 7:00 pm which is 19:00 on 1/29

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Bray90820:

that was abc

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Bray90820:

and the odd thing is it recorded stuff earlier on abc

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Korny:

I don't see anything on the log at 1900 on 1/29

[06:32:39]

Bray90820:

mythtv says the recorder off-line

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Bray90820:

7:00 pm is 19:00 right

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Korny:

Jan 29 19:00:00 server mythbackend[6763]: N Scheduler autoexpire.cpp:263 (CalcParams) AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 3.0 GB w/freq: 14 min

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Korny:

Jan 29 19:00:00 server mythbackend[6763]: I Scheduler scheduler.cpp:2514 (HandleRecordingStatusChange) Started recording: "The Taste":Auditions: channel 1707 on cardid 1, sourceid 1

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Korny:

Jan 29 19:00:50 server mythbackend[6763]: I Metadata_65 jobqueue.cpp:2151 (DoMetadataLookupThread) JobQueue: Metadata Lookup Starting for "Malcolm in the Middle":Experiment recorded from channel 1233 at 2013-01–29T18:30:00

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Pluribus:

It is, I see a Malcolm in the middle record start but dont see any errors.

[06:34:15]

Pluribus:

although, you do have an out of date client spamming you.

[06:34:29]

Pluribus:

but that isnt the issue.

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Korny:

he's on 0.25

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Bray90820:

i don't even remember recording Malcolm in the middle

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Bray90820:

i want to be on 0.25

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Korny:

Bray90820, I didn't say that was bad...

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Bray90820:

oh sorry i misread the names

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Bray90820:

maybe something on 19:00 on 1/25

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Bray90820:

that also failed

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Korny:

log doesn't go back that far

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Bray90820:

ok

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Korny:

ABC should by copy freely

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Bray90820:

yes

[06:38:08]

Bray90820:

AMC HD

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Bray90820:

wrong

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Bray90820:

ABC HD

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Bray90820:

i can record it fine on my tivo

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Bray90820:

it recorded somethings on abc but not others

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Korny:

I wonder.... have you checked your signal levels?

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Korny:

Because it also seems you have a lot of damaged recordings

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Bray90820:

would the signal level also impact viewing the channel live

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Korny:

yes

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Korny:

but depends when you have dropouts

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Bray90820:

then that's not it

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Pluribus:

and you are on a gigabit network switch between the prime and you backend? 100meg doesnt seem to cut it for good results.

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Bray90820:

like 2 weeks ago i was able to watch a show that was also set to record

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Bray90820:

but it never recorded

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Pluribus:

Ok, that is odd since either both should work or both be broken.

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Bray90820:

yes

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Korny:

Bray90820, can you do me a favor? can you goto your hdhr prime and grab the log from it?

[06:43:10]

Korny:

just goto its ip and select log

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Korny:

and paste it for us

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Bray90820:

the HDHR logs or the Mythtv logs

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Pluribus:

the prime logs

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Bray90820:

i would but i dont know how

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Korny:

I just told you how

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Pluribus:

browse to it's IP address and just click log

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Korny:

I can make it even easier :) http://192.168.0.18/log.html

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Korny:

just cahnge 18 to whatever it is

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Bray90820:

oh sorry i didn't see that

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Bray90820:

my bad

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Korny:

well maybe 0 too

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Korny:

or the whole IP if you're using a 10 based network

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Bray90820:

mine is 192.168.1.7

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Korny:

ok so goto http://192.168.1.7/log.html

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Bray90820:

ok

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Bray90820:

hang on

[06:45:48]

Bray90820:

i accidentally started a channel scan so i am going to wait for that to finish

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Bray90820:

it will be like 10–15 minutes

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Pluribus:

What TZ are you in Bray90820? I need to hit the sack soon (almost 1am here and I work in the morning)

[06:49:34]

Bray90820:

I am in CDT it's almost 1am as well

[06:49:41]

Bray90820:

we can finish later if you want

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Pluribus:

Ok, I will hope on tommorow after work. Make sure the log shows that you are subscribed and there are errors at the time.

[06:50:54]

Bray90820:

i got my girl friend coming over soon anyways

[06:51:06]

Bray90820:

one thing

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Bray90820:

19700101–00:00:06 CableCARD: authentication status: authentication in progress

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Bray90820:

is that ok

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Korny:

no

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Bray90820:

i didn't think so

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Bray90820:

did it mess up when my cable company activated it

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Korny:

Card Authentication success

[06:52:00]

Korny:

Card OOB Lock success

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Korny:

Card Activation success

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Korny:

is what it is supposed to say

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Korny:

Are you comcast?

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Korny:

or who are you with?

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Bray90820:

wait a second

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Bray90820:

19700101–00:00:06 CableCARD: authentication status: authentication success, activation success

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Bray90820:

i am not with comcast

[06:53:00]

Bray90820:

i am with a small local one in my area

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Bray90820:

mediacom

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Korny:

I thought you were doing a channel scan?

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Korny:

wait

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Bray90820:

i am

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Korny:

hdhrcc don't scan channels do they?

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Bray90820:

but you know i just looked at the logs

[06:53:59]

Bray90820:

it did a channel scan

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Bray90820:

and it finished

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Korny:

so copy paste the logs please in pastebin

[06:54:15]

Bray90820:

here is my full log now

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Bray90820:

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Mz4SdqG2

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Bray90820:

it looks to be all good

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Korny:

umm

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Korny:

did you just reboot it?

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Bray90820:

oh no

[06:55:27]

Bray90820:

no

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Bray90820:

but remember i did just do a channel scan

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Korny:

where's the rest of your log

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Korny:

and the time stamp is off

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Bray90820:

should i do a reboot

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Korny:

no need

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Bray90820:

so what should i do

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Korny:

wait until you have a failed recording then come back

[06:58:12]

Korny:

because you have no data right now that says anything we can help you with

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Bray90820:

so i wait till i finished a recording and give the HDHR logs or the Mythtv logs

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Korny:

http://pastebin.com/vupa3mKS

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Korny:

is what it should look like

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Korny:

Wait till you have a failed recording

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Bray90820:

but do you want the HDHR or the mythtv logs

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Korny:

both

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Bray90820:

ok

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Bray90820:

i could do one right now if you want

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Korny:

DOes every recording of yours fail?

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Korny:

or is it random

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Bray90820:

it's random

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Bray90820:

last wednesday an ABC recording finished

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Bray90820:

on friday and tuesday ABC recordings failed

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Korny:

can you click on signal strength for me

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Korny:

errr

[07:03:23]

Korny:

click on cable card

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Korny:

and tell me your signal strength?

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Korny:

on your hdhr primes webpage

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Bray90820:

should i have it tunes to a channel when i do it

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Korny:

no

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Bray90820:

ok

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Bray90820:

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=kS3iHYGB

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Korny:

That seems marginal

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Korny:

hold on though

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Bray90820:

ok

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Bray90820:

i have notised a lot of buffering by the way

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Korny:

Your signal quality is meh

[07:16:07]

Korny:

but I can't find anything to compare it to other then mine and I'm Signal Strength 100% (1.5 dBmV)

[07:16:07]

Korny:

Signal Quality 100% (35.4 dB)

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Bray90820:

well i just rebooted it and this is what i get

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Bray90820:

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HZPv3Tkd

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Korny:

well you're signal changed a lot

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Korny:

which says somethings up with your cable

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Bray90820:

yea

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Bray90820:

hum

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Korny:

you might have a bad connection, is it raining there?

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Bray90820:

it was raining badly yesterday

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Bray90820:

and now it is snowing

[07:20:02]

Bray90820:

but it might be that like a month ago someone hit the main box outside

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Korny:

your signal shouldn't change that much, so thats something I would look into, check all spliters ect

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Bray90820:

should i do another power cycle

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Korny:

and tighten everything and yes the box outside being damaged could be an issue

[07:20:33]

Korny:

no point

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Korny:

but I have to goto bed, I'm willing to bet you're having cable issues though

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Bray90820:

i didn't notice any change to anything tho

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Bray90820:

my tivo still records everything just fine

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Bray90820:

and now i can't seem to get it lower then 100

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Bray90820:

so what should i do from here

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Bray90820:

i also noticed this

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Bray90820:

20130131–07:21:18 CableCARD: time changed from Thu Jan 01 00:00:31 1970 to Thu Jan 31 07:21:18 2013

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sheppard:

that's normal

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Bray90820:

ok

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sheppard:

I have no suggestions for anything else

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Bray90820:

damn

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Bray90820:

none at all

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Bray90820:

?

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Bray90820:

it still is at 100%

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Bray90820:

which is good

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Bray90820:

Korny are you still around

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oobe:

../

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jst_:

I noticed that mythfrontend will utilize an NFS share to stream videos, if mounted. It performs much better without NFS. Is there any way to disable it (short of unmounting the share)?

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clever:

jst_: use chmod to cut off its access?

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clever:

but depending on setup, that may lock the backend out as well

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jst_:

clever: hmm, but i'd have to change it back to watch videos

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clever:

yeah, not the best fix

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sphery:

jst_: why not just unmount it?

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sphery:

or if some non-MythTV application needs access to the videos, mount it at some location other than the directories in your Storage Group directory list

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sphery:

(my reading, "it works better without NFS," so why are you using NFS?)

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clever:

sphery: in my case, the nfs is also used for many other non-myth things

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sphery:

clever: at which point, "or if some non-MythTV application needs access to the videos, mount it at some location other than the directories in your Storage Group directory list"

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clever:

and to keep things simple, its mounted to the same path as it exists on every other system

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clever:

no need to hunt arround and figure out where i mounted it, just which path its at

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jst_:

sphery: hmm, i'll try the storage group thing when i'm home

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yceps:

hey guys. can i get support for mythexport in here or is that another channel?

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wagnerrp:

you can try, but there may not be many people in here who use it

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wagnerrp:

mythexport is a mythbuntu thing

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sphery:

clever: FWIW, I think you're thinking of things backwards... In MythTV, you /never/ need to know the file location of vides. In other programs, you may well need to know that location. Therefore, by your making the MythTV file location the "main" one--the one that's duplicated around all your systems, you're artificially making MythTV's file locations important to you (though it's still irrelevant to MythTV).

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sphery:

clever: So, what I would suggest if you need to have your videos mounted on all systems on your network, and you want to use the same location on all systems so you don't have to think, you should find a non-MythTV location and put all the videos there--including on the original system. Then, just do a bind mount to put a "copy" of the file system in the MythTV location on one of your backend systems, so the videos are available to ...

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sphery:

... MythTV (but in a MythTV-only location), too.

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sphery:

that way, the non-MythTV location becomes the main/proper one, and MythTV accesses it through a different, MythTV-specific location that you don't ever have to remember/access directly

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sphery:

that said, using NFS and mounting them on all systems is fine for MythTV, too--as long as your NFS works properly

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sphery:

However, when users have broken NFS setups through which they can't play back videos and want to use MythTV streaming, the right way to do so is to just not mount the filesystems using the (broken) NFS at the MythTV location.

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sphery:

jst_: FWIW, you may find the above useful, too... ^^^

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jst_:

Absolutely.

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jst_:

That's exactly how my set up is.

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jst_:

/mnt/md0 on the backend, and /mnt/mnd0 on the frontends.

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jst_:

When the NFS share mounted, MythTV still streams OK, but not as efficiently as when it's unmounted.

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jst_:

I guess I'll just learn to live with that.

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jst_:

(/mnt/md0 on the frontends is the NFS share)

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sphery:

jst_: what I'm saying is remove /mnt/md0/whatever from your MythTV Storage Group directory lists... Then, on only one system (the master backend, I'm guessing), do a bind mount of the filesystem which is on /mnt/md0 at some other location--such as /srv/mythtv/videos--and then put /srv/mythtv/videos into the MythTV Videos Storage Group directory list

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sphery:

that way only the master backend sees /srv/mythtv/videos (because it's not mounted on any of your frontends), so mythfrontend streams the videos from the backend using MythTV protocol, but other applications can access the videos via /mnt/md0 on any of your systems using NFS

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jst_:

Cool, thanks.

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sphery:

and, really, you may even be able to just use a symlink at /srv/mythtv/videos pointing to /mnt/md0 or whatever

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sphery:

(again, only on the master backend/where the files are local)

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sphery:

symlink would be cleaner if it works

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sphery:

just don't know if we'll follow those for dirs

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jst_:

sphery: cool, that actually makes sense

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jst_:

i'll give it a go when i'm home

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Unguided:

Hello all. I was just wondering if this could be used for a backend only? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859107052

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Unguided:

Please keep in mind that I have HDHR primes On my network

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wagnerrp:

the question always comes down to one of the scheduler

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wagnerrp:

how long with scheduler runs take

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wagnerrp:

and with a large digital cable lineup, there's a lot of work for the scheduler to do

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Unguided:

Not really a good choice then?

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Unguided:

I was looking at it for low power solution. Granted it is amd but it is dual core as well.

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wagnerrp:

you're the only one who can really answer that

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I have a huge lineup...

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wagnerrp:

look at your scheduler runs, see how long they take, decide whether it's going to be a problem on a low power machine

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Unguided:

ok.

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: what would be considered average and slow for a large lineup?

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skd5aner:

ms, seconds, minutes?

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wagnerrp:

do note that scheduler runs will grow over time, as you have more recordings and old recordings to perform duplicate matching against

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wagnerrp:

a few tens of seconds is acceptable but on the high side

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wagnerrp:

anything over a minute and you're probably going to start running into trouble

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Unguided:

What are you using for your backend and is it combined? I know you have yours in a jail but not sure of the hardware

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wagnerrp:

3.3GHz Phenom II, dedicated

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wagnerrp:

although i've got a fairly small lineup, with scheduler runs typically taking under a second

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Unguided:

Wow. I didnt think you used amd. is that a phenom II x4? I have two f those

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skd5aner:

Scheduler scheduler.cpp:2242 (HandleReschedule) – Scheduled 4321 items in 24.9 = 9.44 match + 3.60 check + 11.88 place

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skd5aner:

database is 9+ years old

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wagnerrp:

unguided: with regards to "low power" systems, i've got a frontend running on a 3.1GHz dual core ivy bridge CPU. it idles at 25W at the wall, which means around 10–15W if you ignore the PSU inefficiencies

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wagnerrp:

just an x2

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skd5aner:

That's on a AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 640 Processor

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skd5aner:

any easy way to see how many channels I have?

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Unguided:

ok. I should make a list of the hardware I have and what I would like to do and ask you to help me figure out the best way to use the hardware.

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wagnerrp:

select count(1) from channel;

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skd5aner:

1343 channels

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Unguided:

I got a fire call. Be back later.

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skd5aner:

413 visible

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wagnerrp:

with the database cached... Scheduled 192 items in 1.0 = 0.00 match + 0.00 check + 1.02 place

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wagnerrp:

and earlier, without... Scheduled 196 items in 2.9 = 1.51 match + 0.93 check + 0.44 place

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skd5aner:

wow.. 4321 items vs 192

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wagnerrp:

you're recording cable channels

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skd5aner:

you OTA only?

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wagnerrp:

think of how many times a week you see reruns on those cable channels

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wagnerrp:

even new shows are going to be on half a dozen times before the end of the weke

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wagnerrp:

yeah, at current

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: ah, I knew sphery was – but thought you had cable

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wagnerrp:

until very recently

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skd5aner:

stickin' it to the man or just realized it was a waste?

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skd5aner:

or, other

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wagnerrp:

other, switched to satellite to use in the motor home

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skd5aner:

cool...

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skd5aner:

folks have had directv for nearly 20 years

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skd5aner:

I should say, my parents... haha

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skd5aner:

I don't think I'll go satellite

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drussell_:

Anyone compiled 0.26-fixes on FreeBSD recently? I'm thinking this may have to do with the recent DVD menu playback changes by Richard et al... Gets to mythavtest and then dies... http://pastebin.com/V1GJQvCY

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wagnerrp:

built fine here... http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.26 . . . e/logs/stdio

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drussell_:

wagnerrp: Hmm, wierd... What's your build environment? Also, are you compiling direct from the git source or do you need any local patches?

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wagnerrp:

http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.26 . . . e/logs/stdio

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wagnerrp:

freebsd 9.0, qt 4.8.4

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drussell_:

Ok, thanks... I'll have to look into it in a bit here... makes no sense... This is on 8.3-STABLE but can't think why that would matter and not that much changed since my last successful compile a few weeks ago.... Hmmm...

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drussell_:

wagnerrp: The port for the 0.26.0 release still compiles fine but I didn't save the source from the last -fixes I compiled before I did a pull so now I don't even know exactly where I was :-)

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wagnerrp:

no reported problems in the last several changesets... http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.26-freebsd-64bit

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drussell_:

wagnerrp: I know I just stuck it in the port's work dir and DID apply most of the patches from the port for the release and it just worked, but that was several weeks ago... NOW what have I broken? grrr...

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drussell_:

wagnerrp: can't get it to compile with or without the FreeBSD port patches... fails even more miserably straight from source, will have to check my toolchain because that used to work (some time ago, though) too... argh...

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Korny:

wagnerrp, I've decided that dude is a troll

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wagnerrp:

heh

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Korny:

Seriously, did you see the logs from last night?

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wagnerrp:

i've been trying to ignore the guy, causes less pain

[19:23:07]

Korny:

Gave one last attempt to help him, yet he his hdhr prime logs were somehow empty because he channel scanned(which I don't believe) and then I saw his cable levels were low, he rebooted and they were back hi

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drussell_:

He's clueless, certainly, at least, it seems...

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Korny:

I told him to go away until he has another failed recording and has logs

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wagnerrp:

you can't scan channels on a HDHRP

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Korny:

I KNOW

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wagnerrp:

i know i've told him this on several occasions

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Korny:

I'm done with him, until he can show a log that actually has information

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wagnerrp:

drussell_: the ABI generally shouldn't change from one fixes revision to the next

[19:26:12]

wagnerrp:

but i've always had difficulties from new binaries trying to compile against installed headers and libraries

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wagnerrp:

i always uninstall the previous version before trying to build a new version

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wagnerrp:

typically, that would be irrecoverable if your build subsequently fails

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wagnerrp:

but since i stuff everything into a jail, sitting on ZFS

[19:27:45]

wagnerrp:

i can just snapshot and roll back if necessary

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drussell_:

wagnerrp: Just thinking about it, I think I had done a portupgrade -a since, so I think the installed version may actually be the release again as it would have rebuilt myth when it upgraded qt.. The port builds so I can always go back to that... I'm going to deinstall and then build in case it's a wierd include problem even though I tried forcing it to use the dvdnav.h in that directory already to no avail last night...

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jpabq:

Korny: I made this comment to him "It can be very frustrating for someone without linux experience.", to which he replied "i do have minimal experience. i setup smba ssh and daapd"

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wagnerrp:

jpabp: i don't mind people with no experience... we were all there at some point

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wagnerrp:

it's when you try to drag him through the most basic concepts, and then you have to do it repeatedly because he just can't grasp them

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drussell_:

They just have to be willing to actually do what you ask and not get ahead of themselves thinking they know what they're doing instead of following instructions...

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jpabq:

wagnerrp: sure. That was right after he was swearing at Myth for being so difficult. *I* was getting frustrated just trying to get useful logs out of the guy.

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Korny:

Honestly, mythbuntu is ALMOST idiot proof

[19:35:38]

Korny:

Its easier to setup then sagetv was when I did it

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wagnerrp:

somehow he did manage to screw up mythbuntu's logging

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Korny:

I think he's a troll

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Korny:

I really do

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Korny:

He always says well my Tivo recorded it

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Korny:

I just wanted to say, then use your tivo :)

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, speaking of logging, how is your utility coming along for grabbing logs from the db?

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wagnerrp:

https://github.com/wagnerrp/mythtv-scripts/bl . . . /pastelog.py

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jpabq:

Doing development, I have too much logging to allow it to go to the DB. I guess that is useful for users, though?

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wagnerrp:

debug logging never hits the database

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wagnerrp:

only info and above

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, looking good. Any change I can disable logging to file by default in upcoming releases?

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Korny:

btw I a great thankyou to mythtv for not going the java route and being a huge memory hog

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: that's up to you, i still keep file logs even with the database copy

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wagnerrp:

also note that the database copy is flushed every two weeks

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tgm4883:

meh, anything older than 2 weeks I'm going to make a user reproduce anyway

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wagnerrp:

also, database logs are only accurate to the second right now

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wagnerrp:

sphery was going to look into changing that

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Korny:

hmmmm load averages 15.02 14.03 14.81 lol

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Korny:

wagnerrp, rf18 was smaller then 9mbit for the one title :)

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wagnerrp:

cell shaded?

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Korny:

I'm guessing it had to do with being computer animation :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, cell shaded video can be heavily compressed

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Korny:

But after reading more I understand what you mean now

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Igramul:

hi, how can I program a recording via title search on stations a,b,c but not on stations d,e,f

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Igramul:

?

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Igramul:

one group of stations shows new episodes, one shows old ones

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Korny:

You could just put a filter for *new episodes only*

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Korny:

I do that with family guy

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Igramul:

Korny: I am not sure this will work with EPG over the air in germany.

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Igramul:

I guess it requires some kind of episode number /season in the EPG, right?

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wagnerrp:

no, just an original air date

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Igramul:

hmm.. let me check in the program table...

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dijonyummy:

is there a better listing source than schedulesdirect; i notice recently a few of their episode descriptions are very brief or even incorrect

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wagnerrp:

if they're incorrect, it's because the stations themselves gave tribune bad information

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wagnerrp:

report the errors to schedules direct, and they will get pushed upstream to tribune

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Igramul:

bad luck, the originalairdate is missing on almost every program entry

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Igramul:

http://pastebin.com/ts9tp1Ve

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dijonyummy:

i see

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Igramul:

esp. for the show I want to record, it's always missing

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wagnerrp:

dijonyummy: basically, if schedules direct has it wrong, then everyone has it wrong, since just about everyone in north america licenses their EPG data from tribune

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Korny:

My biggest issues has been the repeat on the simpsons thats on at 5pm here

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Korny:

always has the same description :P

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wagnerrp:

is it just a generic episode?

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Korny:

yes

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Korny:

Station is to lazy to put the episode in there

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wagnerrp:

ok, it's probably even marked as such in the data, and can be specifically filtered for in your recording rules

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Korny:

Oh it doesn't bother me anymore, it was more a pain when I was actually transcoding everything ot make a simpsons library :P

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Igramul:

wagnerrp: I just checked the program table in MySQL. There is a criteria that matches only new episodes: Only new episodes have the "SURROUND" sound flag in the audioprops-column.

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Igramul:

But I see no way to search for that.

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Korny:

sigh encoding at 10 fps wagnerrp I'm not sure if I'm happy or sad that I'm using RF vs bitrate

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Korny:

Least I know it will be uniform :/

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wagnerrp:

10fps seems more reasonable for a hex-core

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wagnerrp:

last time i tried any of that, i was running around 2fps on a 2.8GHz C2D

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Korny:

lol days long encodes

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wagnerrp:

about six hours for a 22-min sitcom

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Korny:

yeah thats not worth it

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Korny:

interesting thing is rf20 ended up being about the same size as 9mbit

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Korny:

the file size was 10 gig for a 2 hour movie

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Korny:

Non cartoon :P

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Igramul:

ermm... does powersearch allow me to put some kind of SQL into the search?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Igramul:

<3

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Igramul:

exactly what I need

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sphery:

wagnerrp: what do you think of a "Theme Changes 0.26 -> 0.27" type page on the wiki?

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sphery:

want to start it and mention the appear-ui.xml stuff and I'll make sure the rec priorities stuff goes in, too.

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sphery:

(alternatively, I'll try to start it and you can clean it up/fix it for me :)

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sphery:

perhaps just named like the release notes pages... Theme Changes – 0.27

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sphery:

and have a Category:Theme Changes and a redirect on the main Theme Changes page...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: sounds good... knightr, skd5aner ^^^

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bill6502:

sphery: I'd just added the recent theme affecting commit to the 0.27 release notes. Do you want the Themes section of the Release Notes removed? I know I only had 14 entries for 0.26.

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Quantum7:

Anyone know what port the MythTV Android app should be set to? 6544 doesn't work

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bill6502:

Quantum7: If you're referring to MythTV Android Frontend, 6544 is correct. Or, just enter the IP and the http:// and 6544 will be added automatically. Or, even better, let ZeroConfig do it's job for you.

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bill6502:

See this: https://github.com/MythTV-Clients/MythTV-Andr . . . -Suggestions

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Quantum7:

bill6502: Thx, but it just sits there forever in "Retreiving Master Backend Details"...

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bill6502:

Quantum7: And avahi-daemon is running, using_libdns_sd is seen, --noupnp wasn't used?

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Quantum7:

Not on the tablet.

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bill6502:

No, the above 3 are done on the master backend.

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Quantum7:

I see lots of pings were blocked by firewall on the server.

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Quantum7:

avahi-daemon is running, don't know how to examine the others.

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Quantum7:

O, I think I have it now. SSH tunnel was down.

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bill6502:

You can also do this from a browser on your tablet: <BackendIP>:6544/Myth/GetHostName That takes MythTV Android Frontend out of the picture. The Wiki cited above explains how to test for MBE configurations.

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Quantum7:

Thx. It's working.

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Quantum7:

Except I can't watch shows.

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Quantum7:

I click on a left show, then its right subshow, and it flashes but nothing happens.

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Quantum7:

I click on the 'eye' in the upper-right and the frontend crashes.

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bill6502:

What version of MAF are you running?

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Quantum7:

Help|About just takes to the wiki.

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Quantum7:

v1.0.4

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bill6502:

Thanks, can you PM me?

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Quantum7:

Don't see a way in Pidgen...

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bill6502:

Quantum7: I don't know Pidgen, but I tried /msg Quantum7 hello but didn't get a response from you.

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wizbit:

how can i burn a .mkv file back onto a dvd?

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wizbit:

my frontend elways crashes when it does some kind of meta updates on new dvds i put in

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Bray90820:

so anyone with an HD Homerun wanna help me figure out why some things won't record

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Bray90820:

HDhomerun prime

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Bray90820:

or anyone without one as well i guess

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justinh:

well, it's possible that some programs have THE FLAG which is of course honoured by the HDHR and thusly drops you out

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Bray90820:

well it just picks and chooses what to record

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Bray90820:

somethings record some don't

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justinh:

might be that the broadcaster/cable co. turn the bits on & off

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Bray90820:

prob not

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Bray90820:

it has perviously recorded on that channel

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justinh:

how could you be sure? consistency isn't something these outfits are known for

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Bray90820:

and the same recording shows up on my tivo

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justinh:

yeah.. but your tivo is a trusted system

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Bray90820:

i am using a cable card

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justinh:

the HDHR would not be, even with a card

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Bray90820:

ok

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justinh:

so I've read anyway...

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justinh:

it's all about the whole bit about what's after the HDHR not being 'trusted'

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Bray90820:

also mythtv also says my recorder offline

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justinh:

it might be, when THEY say you're not allowed something

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Bray90820:

lets assume for the moment i am allowed to record

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justinh:

is there any pattern to what records reliably & what doesn't?

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Bray90820:

none what so ever

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justinh:

I dunno, things tend to either work all the time, or just don't work. Unless I'm using wireless

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justinh:

for me, I mean

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Bray90820:

the last channel that didn't record was ABC and i know abc is a copy freely channel

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justinh:

get a tuner going once.. assuming the antenna stays connected etc.. all good :-)

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justinh:

could be a card problem.. or something up with the HDHR

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justinh:

or the cable company is randomly flagging stuff it shouldn't

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justinh:

been known to happen :-)

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Bray90820:

im thinking it's a mythtv problem

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justinh:

if the HDHR keeps logs anywhere it'd be a good idea to look into those

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skd5aner:

sphery: yea, the idea of a wiki page to track theme changes for each release was something I was going to aim for, but never got around to... I tried to track them in the first few release notes I did, but it really just tracked th changesets, not the changes necessary themselves

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Bray90820:

on tuesday it was showing that some recordings were aborted

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skd5aner:

sphery: the key is documenting what chnaged, why it changed, and what any theme would need to do in order to be compatible for the new release... as well as things that might have been added that they could leverage

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justinh:

Bray90820: you on ubuntu by any chance?

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Bray90820:

i am

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Bray90820:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33402675/Log.txt

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Bray90820:

that's my logs

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justinh:

hoping you're not affected by the silly upstart thing spawning off too many mythbackend processes issue

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Bray90820:

the logs are a day old

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justinh:

*that* can cause strange problems

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Bray90820:

well yesterday me and a guy were looking at it and for some reason i had 4 myth backends running

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Bray90820:

processes that is

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Bray90820:

but i only have 1 installed

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justinh:

I had all kinds of weird problems where the backend would still be running, and recording stuff.. but the frontend couldn't communicate with it.. turned out to be way too many MBE processes running. I stopped upstart respawning it & it cleared up

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justinh:

where it says 'respawn' in the config file which starts mythbackend..I commented that out

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justinh:

I forget where it lives

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justinh:

oh yeah /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf

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justinh:

apparently some people are affected by the issue & lots aren't. Perhaps it's a case of 'welcome to the unlucky few'. IIRC somebody from mythbuntu told me it'd been fixed lately

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justinh:

something to do with the way it monitors processes is going wrong, and is mistaking mythbackend for having died

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justinh:

sheesh I dunno, why doesn't it just use ps? ;-)

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Bray90820:

MBE is

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Bray90820:

what does MBE stand for

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justinh:

mythbackend

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Bray90820:

ok

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Bray90820:

so what should i do

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justinh:

if you use mythbuntu, or their packages, ask them if there's a fix for this mythical respawning bug

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justinh:

they might suggest you disable its respawning by editing its upstart config file

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Bray90820:

i have mythbuntu control center installed

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justinh:

I dunno, since I commented that line out in /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf I've rarely had to take a 2x4 to the backend

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justinh:

not suggesting you go editing files willy-nilly, but that worked for me. Course if mythbackend ever *does* fall over it won't get restarted automagically but I'd much rather that than upstart make a mistake & screw up my wife's lineup of recording crap

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Bray90820:

so where do i go from here

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justinh:

like I said...

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justinh:

if you use mythbuntu, or their packages, ask them if there's a fix for this mythical respawning bug

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justinh:

since that appears to be happening in your case

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Bray90820:

what if i am not

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justinh:

then it'll be down to something else...

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Bray90820:

yes

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Bray90820:

but what

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justinh:

who knows?!

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justinh:

your log output is erm... hmmm.. full.. it looks to me like mythbackend is quitting for some reason... which isn't exactly clear: CoreContext main_helpers.cpp:664 (run_backend) MythBackend exiting

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justinh:

that *might* be a symptom of the respawning issue

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Bray90820:

so basically there is no fix

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justinh:

failing that, you're gonna have to get some debugging done to find the real cause. As in get debugging symbols... then see what's making it exit

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Bray90820:

how would i fix it

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justinh:

if it IS the respawning thing, it was pretty simple to just comment out one line in a config file

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Bray90820:

i fon't even know what your saying

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Bray90820:

don't

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justinh:

you're

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Bray90820:

sorry

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justinh:

there's a text file which this pesky thing called upstart uses, right?

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Bray90820:

no idea

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justinh:

I'm telling you

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justinh:

the contents of the text file controls how this 'upstart' program starts up mythbackend

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Bray90820:

sorry you used a question mark

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justinh:

and the upstart stuff monitors the program it's looking after to make sure it's always running

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justinh:

well, sometimes it makes a mistake & thinks the program needs started again

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Bray90820:

would that be my tuners being offline tho

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justinh:

if they're already being used by a good mythbackend process, yes

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justinh:

a good mythbackend process which upstart thought had gone bad, so started up another

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Bray90820:

none were currently being used when i tried to record

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tgm4883:

/etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf I believe

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mcmoyer:

Hi all, I'm trying to move my master backend to a new server and upgrade from 0.24fixes to 0.25. Whenever I use mythconverg_restore to restore the db, I get a client error about using the wrong net. protocol version.

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justinh:

your log doesn't really show much other than mythbackend stopping mysteriously & being started up again

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justinh:

there aren't any errors to speak of

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justinh:

it just says 'MythBackend exiting'

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mcmoyer:

Should I be trying a partial restore?

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justinh:

so either it's upstart being naughty, or there's a big problem afoot where you're gonna have to get the debug package of mythtv involved, and run mythbackend under gdb

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Bray90820:

try 1/27 at 19:00

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Bray90820:

that was when a recording failed

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justinh:

which I'm guessing is more work than you're willing to undertake ;-)

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Bray90820:

personally at this point i am thinking of reinstalling the OS

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Bray90820:

i have been trying for almost a month to get it working

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justinh:

is the HDHR connected to the backend with wires all the way?

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justinh:

like, it's not just 'going away'... it might with wifi in the way

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Bray90820:

there are no wires connected at all

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