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| [00:24:37] | sphery: | skd5aner: live tv order wrong? |
| [00:24:50] | sphery: | or all the earlier-usage tuners in live tv order busy? |
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| [00:26:18] | sphery: | or last-successfully-tuned channel in live tv was on that tuner? |
| [00:27:19] | skd5aner: | sphery: none of the above... #11229 and #11211 |
| [00:27:19] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11229 ** | |
| [00:27:19] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11211 ** | |
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| [00:45:56] | justinh: | ah that'd do it. trying to use SSL/TLS for multiple domains with only one certificate |
| [00:46:04] | justinh: | I hate email. |
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| [01:29:29] | mark2013: | So, I set all the Storage directories to (buntu linux xfce) to /home/mark/myth-tv and now on leaving backend error says no such path to file and WatchTv does nothing |
| [01:31:34] | mark2013: | /home/mark/myth-tv is mark:mark and read write for both user and group |
| [01:33:54] | Korny: | mark2013, you really shouldn't use home groups for storage |
| [01:34:15] | Korny: | You'd be better off using myth's home group if you wanted to go that route |
| [01:34:24] | mark2013: | It should be in /usr/mythtv/recordings? |
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| [01:35:20] | Korny: | I know myth runs as its own user to accessing another user's home directory becomes problematic |
| [01:35:26] | mark2013: | OK say path to file of "myth's home groups", please |
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| [01:36:46] | Korny: | the default ones work, if thats the default one you should be fine, hopefully you have a lot of storage |
| [01:37:18] | mark2013: | I have 200 gig free for /home/mark/myth-tv or /usr/mythtv/recordings |
| [01:38:04] | mark2013: | I don't understand "myth's home groups" |
| [01:39:03] | mark2013: | is that /var/lib/mythtv? |
| [01:44:15] | mark2013: | I've had mythtv on the 'puter for under a week. Please explain a little about "if thats the default one you should be fine" – I'm not understanding you |
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| [01:53:15] | Korny: | mark2013, I don't remeber waht the default groups in mythtv backend setup were its been a while since I set it up, |
| [01:53:33] | mark2013: | /var/lib/mythtv |
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| [01:58:49] | mark2013: | mythtv-setup keeps saying "/home/mark/myth-tv" does not exist,but I'm looking at it and it worked a day ago |
| [01:58:59] | wagnerrp: | why is my CBS affiliate so awful.... |
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| [01:59:45] | Korny: | mark2013, I'm a linux noob compared to most of the people in here, but I'm sure wagnerrp can explain why putting mythtv recording directorys in another users home directory is a bad idea :) |
| [01:59:57] | ** Korny goes and hides ** | |
| [02:00:10] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has no idea where your intended mount points are |
| [02:00:31] | wagnerrp: | so it has no way to know if the directory you want to record to is on the proper disk |
| [02:00:47] | mark2013: | I set Storage Group as /home/mark/myth-tv |
| [02:00:53] | wagnerrp: | the only way to make sure mythtv only records to the intended disk is to make it so the directory only exists when that disk is mounted |
| [02:02:26] | mark2013: | this isn't an external disk, it's the /sda5 of about 200 gig free space |
| [02:03:25] | Korny: | mark2013, mythtv user can't access mark2013 home directory |
| [02:03:46] | mark2013: | what directory can it access? |
| [02:03:58] | wagnerrp: | the one you give it proper permissions to |
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| [02:06:15] | Korny: | wagnerrp, I'm not even sure what I said is true, if you when chmod 777 on a user/home/blah could another user access it |
| [02:06:33] | mark2013: | is that permission controlled by mythtv-config? or by chmod/chown |
| [02:06:42] | wagnerrp: | chmod/chown |
| [02:07:01] | wagnerrp: | mythtv should never be run as root, thus is should never have the rights to control such permissions |
| [02:07:21] | wagnerrp: | damnedable PMT errors... |
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| [02:12:51] | mark2013: | OK, (confusion rises in brain stem) /home/mark/mythtv IS good? If "yes" why Watch TV (live) not working? |
| [02:13:39] | mark2013: | My myth NOT run as root, I have GUI for 'buntu Myth TV Frontend and Backend |
| [02:14:01] | wagnerrp: | your mythtv is run as user 'mythtv', but /home/mark is owned and accessible only by 'mark' and 'root' |
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| [02:14:48] | mark2013: | So I add mythtv to group :mark ? |
| [02:15:10] | wagnerrp: | why not just have it store in /home/mythtv/ ? |
| [02:15:35] | mark2013: | OK, I will move folder named: "myth-tv" to /home |
| [02:15:36] | wagnerrp: | i mean... mark has nothing to do with mythtv, so why have mark store the files? |
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| [02:15:49] | wagnerrp: | why move anything? |
| [02:16:08] | mark2013: | I have Storage Groups set as /home/mark/myth-tv |
| [02:16:11] | wagnerrp: | you're really thinking way way WAY too hard about this |
| [02:16:15] | wagnerrp: | it's not complicated |
| [02:17:02] | mark2013: | OK I see directory mythtv in /home |
| [02:17:13] | wagnerrp: | that's mythtv's home directory |
| [02:17:15] | mark2013: | I didn't know it was automade on install of myth |
| [02:17:29] | Korny: | mark2013, are you running mythbuntu? |
| [02:17:30] | wagnerrp: | it isn't, it's automade by your mythbuntu packages |
| [02:17:38] | Korny: | if so it makes the directory and user |
| [02:17:40] | mark2013: | no mythbuntu |
| [02:18:01] | wagnerrp: | you're on ubuntu? you're using the ubuntu mythtv packages? then you're running mythbuntu... |
| [02:18:15] | mark2013: | so storage dirs (LiveTV, Default) should be /home/mythtv? |
| [02:18:58] | wagnerrp: | they're where ever you want them to be, but it makes sense to use something that would be dedicated to mythtv |
| [02:19:20] | mark2013: | BRB |
| [02:19:23] | wagnerrp: | it's not good practice to give other users write permission to your home directory |
| [02:19:39] | Korny: | I'm not even sure if ubuntu will allow it |
| [02:20:15] | wagnerrp: | file permissions are really one of those basic fundamental things about an operating system, that should be understood by anyone attempting to use that operating system |
| [02:21:03] | Korny: | TO be fair, linux and windows file structures are entirely different :/ |
| [02:21:13] | wagnerrp: | well no, not really |
| [02:21:18] | Korny: | Although windows does have a home user drive |
| [02:21:22] | Korny: | err directory |
| [02:21:33] | wagnerrp: | on linux, it's /home/users... on windows, c:\users |
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| [02:22:08] | Korny: | but home installs of windows typically don't have a lot of file permission issues |
| [02:22:09] | wagnerrp: | now sure, the user/group/everyone format of file permissions is quite simplified compared to the windows model, where you can make specific rules for every user on the system |
| [02:22:25] | wagnerrp: | but the fundamental concepts are still the same |
| [02:22:59] | wagnerrp: | home installs of windows typically aren't actually used |
| [02:23:23] | wagnerrp: | people run web browsers, but they don't actually use the operating system |
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| [02:24:07] | Korny: | I'm still a linux noob but I've learned slowly that I don't need to knwo everything, but instead learn how to look things up |
| [02:25:26] | voyo: | wagnerrp : you can have also more granulity model of accessing filesystem on linux, its just not enabled by default. |
| [02:25:41] | wagnerrp: | talking about ACLs? |
| [02:25:44] | voyo: | yep |
| [02:25:59] | wagnerrp: | that's what groups are for |
| [02:26:27] | wagnerrp: | if you want an ACL, make a group, assign it to the file, and put everyone you want to have access in the group |
| [02:26:41] | wagnerrp: | ACLs came about because people think that's a hassle |
| [02:26:50] | voyo: | no no, not only user+group+other , you can have particular right on file for any user |
| [02:26:51] | wagnerrp: | but it's every bit as powerful a paradigm |
| [02:27:50] | Korny: | ?? update |
| [02:27:58] | Korny: | whoops |
| [02:28:00] | Korny: | wrong channel |
| [02:28:04] | voyo: | its much more powerful, you can allow some file to all and same time deny to 'wagnerrp' |
| [02:28:14] | mark2013: | OK, by setting all Storage Group Dirs as /home/mythtv I can now see LIveTV (by command Watch TV) |
| [02:28:27] | mark2013: | I'll be back to figure out recording |
| [02:28:38] | voyo: | you can;t do this using only basic permission |
| [02:28:44] | wagnerrp: | voyo: you can do that with groups, it's just not convenient |
| [02:28:56] | wagnerrp: | make a group owner, put everyone but 'wagnerrp' in that group |
| [02:29:17] | wagnerrp: | although admittedly, you can't specify one list with read/write access, and another with read-only access |
| [02:29:47] | voyo: | wagnerrp: its extremaly unconvinient, think about yet more complex permissions. more users , more groups, on same file. |
| [02:30:02] | voyo: | yup |
| [02:30:36] | voyo: | but anyway basic permisions are sufficient for most users, thats why ACL are disabled by default. |
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| [02:31:42] | wagnerrp: | now to figure out how to make a good VHF antenna |
| [02:32:09] | wagnerrp: | the cableco was quickerr than i expected to cut off the physical line |
| [02:32:32] | wagnerrp: | and the people at my CBS affiliate are idiots |
| [02:33:45] | voyo: | no TV at home? WAF for your TVsetup will drop fast surely ;) |
| [02:34:06] | wagnerrp: | the TVs run off satellite, mythtv is just for recording |
| [02:35:05] | voyo: | pararelly? |
| [02:35:28] | wagnerrp: | don't yet have the equipment to record off the STBs |
| [02:35:37] | wagnerrp: | i was expecting to be able to pick up clearqam for a bit longer |
| [02:35:59] | voyo: | and using STB as a input for myth ? |
| [02:36:06] | voyo: | I have DVB card |
| [02:36:19] | wagnerrp: | no, using some ATSC cards for inputs for myth |
| [02:36:22] | voyo: | dish is connected directly to mythtv |
| [02:36:37] | wagnerrp: | dish (and directv) are encrypted over here, with no chance for a CAM |
| [02:37:14] | voyo: | ah I see. |
| [02:38:03] | mark2013: | Thank you wagnerrp |
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| [02:38:27] | voyo: | good side of such setup is you dont have to worry about encryption, you have clear signel for your myth. CAM is not easy on linux. |
| [02:38:52] | wagnerrp: | CAMs are easier than unreliable analog capture and IR blasters |
| [02:39:30] | voyo: | ATSC is analog? this tells me nothing , I think its common for USA ? |
| [02:39:42] | wagnerrp: | NTSC is analog, ATSC is digital |
| [02:39:50] | wagnerrp: | i'm saying analog capture off the STBs |
| [02:39:58] | wagnerrp: | there is no way to capture digitally off an STB |
| [02:40:06] | voyo: | right |
| [02:43:08] | voyo: | can I think ATSC in USA ~= DVB-T in Europe |
| [02:43:26] | wagnerrp: | more or less |
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| [02:45:45] | voyo: | can you receive two (or more) channel at once from one ATSC card too, like with DVB card (from same multiplex) |
| [02:45:51] | voyo: | ? |
| [02:45:56] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [02:46:22] | voyo: | kk nice |
| [02:46:37] | wagnerrp: | although there is little use to it |
| [02:46:47] | voyo: | why ? |
| [02:46:48] | wagnerrp: | most stations only have one real channel |
| [02:46:54] | voyo: | oh |
| [02:47:04] | wagnerrp: | they might have a separate news or weather channel |
| [02:47:13] | voyo: | on DVB-S there are usually many on same multiplex |
| [02:47:17] | wagnerrp: | but it's uncommon to have something else worth recording |
| [02:48:34] | voyo: | btw, I have problem with such setup :-/ not sure if this is my fault (wrong config) or something wrong with mythtv. It was never working well for me, and things went yet worse after I upgrade to 0.26+fixes. |
| [02:48:46] | wagnerrp: | how so? |
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| [02:49:07] | voyo: | after all I can record/watch only one channel at once |
| [02:49:07] | Korny: | PBS here I use the secondaries a lot |
| [02:49:23] | wagnerrp: | PBS everywhere has a lot of secondaries, but they're about it |
| [02:50:01] | Korny: | Our stations here have some classic TV on some of their secondaries, some aren't bad |
| [02:50:08] | Korny: | MeTV |
| [02:51:15] | wagnerrp: | i think ive got that one somewhere |
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| [03:26:53] | voyo: | wagnerrp: do you know if there is a some way to force EIT scanning for particular channel ? I have few channels without that info, dont know why (yes, "useonairguide" is set for them) |
| [03:27:21] | wagnerrp: | i think EIT needs to be enabled for the input as well |
| [03:27:44] | voyo: | yes, it is. works for all other channels on this input, but not that few |
| [03:28:01] | wagnerrp: | any chance they simply aren't transmitting EIT data? |
| [03:28:06] | voyo: | nope |
| [03:28:27] | voyo: | work flawlesly on my standalone DVB tuner |
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| [04:01:44] | Timrit: | anyone here run mythtv on arch linux? |
| [04:02:10] | [R]: | do you have an actual question? |
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| [04:03:40] | Timrit: | i am trying to follow the arch wiki for installing and having an issue |
| [04:03:45] | ramzy: | Hello. I am not new to Linux or MythTV, but I am new to Arch Linux. Anybody having problems with /run/mythtv not bing created/available on boot causing mythbackend not to start? |
| [04:04:12] | Timrit: | it appears that /srv/http/mythweb was not created when installing the mythweb plugin. |
| [04:04:22] | Timrit: | [R] ^ |
| [04:04:34] | [R]: | that seems quite unfortunate |
| [04:04:52] | [R]: | you should probably yell at the arch maintainers for making such crapy packages |
| [04:04:53] | ramzy: | Timrit: I have not been able to get myth web working on arch, but myth web is stored in /usr/share/webapps |
| [04:05:25] | ramzy: | You can leave it there or move it, just make sure your config points to the right place. |
| [04:05:53] | Timrit: | ramzy: i can not get remote frontends to play livetv either. the backend/frontend plays fine... :( |
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| [04:06:36] | ramzy: | However, no matter what web server I use (lighttpd/nginx/apache), there is an issue with the version of PHP installed on arch and I didn't want to downgrade to get it working. My server setup is correct, but I get an error on loading the page that results in a blank page being displayed. |
| [04:06:56] | Timrit: | bummer |
| [04:06:59] | wagnerrp: | Timrit: what IP address did you configure your master backend to use? |
| [04:07:10] | ramzy: | I don't use livetv really, and watch my recordings through xvmc, so I don't know if I can help |
| [04:07:23] | Timrit: | the ip shown in ifconfig for both setting on the backend. |
| [04:07:53] | Timrit: | ^^ 192.168.1.112 |
| [04:08:06] | ramzy: | I believe 127.0.0.1, but let me check. I'm not too familiar with remote front ends, but let me check. If I recall, you set it to 127.0.0.1 in mythtv-setup, but then point each fronted to the remote IP. |
| [04:08:29] | ramzy: | You only run mythtv-setup on the backend and you don't need to install mythbackend on the remote machines |
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| [04:09:00] | Timrit: | right. |
| [04:09:20] | Timrit: | wagnerrp: i am getting connected to backend and can play recordings, not live tv. |
| [04:10:35] | Timrit: | ramzy: i believe you can not set it to 127.0.0.1 if you are using remote frontends. |
| [04:10:44] | Timrit: | it must be set to network ip addy. |
| [04:10:49] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [04:11:02] | Timrit: | and like i said, recordings play fine. |
| [04:11:13] | Timrit: | i get buffer waiting errors |
| [04:11:18] | Timrit: | then bombs out |
| [04:11:26] | ramzy: | Is this wired or wifi? |
| [04:11:31] | Timrit: | both |
| [04:11:37] | wagnerrp: | eew |
| [04:11:45] | Timrit: | i used to be able to do it with either way. |
| [04:11:50] | ramzy: | hmm |
| [04:12:35] | Timrit: | i used to run mythbuntu but they seem to be behind versions in comparison to arch |
| [04:12:42] | Timrit: | which i am used to. |
| [04:12:42] | ramzy: | are you using any type of connection combiner? Like to merge the two connections together and use the full bandwidth of the two? Or are there two physical connections available? |
| [04:13:14] | Timrit: | ramzy: what i meant was both a wired connection to a machine and wireless to a different machine. |
| [04:13:26] | Timrit: | i have many machines in the house. |
| [04:13:27] | wagnerrp: | "connection combiner"? |
| [04:13:45] | ramzy: | Oh, sorry. I thought maybe it was getting confused about which connection to use |
| [04:13:50] | Timrit: | nope |
| [04:14:04] | ramzy: | wagnerpp: :) I can't remember the name of that type of tool |
| [04:14:25] | wagnerrp: | trunking? |
| [04:15:52] | ramzy: | Is the backend sending the signal on either the wired or wireless at any time? Could that be confusing it? Since arch is meant to be more barebones than *buntu's, I wonder if there was some more elegant software at work in that OS, that arch doesn't install by default. |
| [04:16:09] | ramzy: | wagnerpp: I guess it's like trunking, but that's not the term I was searching for. |
| [04:16:30] | wagnerrp: | link aggregation? |
| [04:17:00] | ramzy: | that's it. Thanks. |
| [04:17:18] | Timrit: | ramzy: huh? it connects to the backend fine. i can play recording fine. it is just a live tv thing. |
| [04:18:09] | wagnerrp: | not sure why you would ever bother aggregating in a wireless connection when you have a perfectly good wired one |
| [04:18:10] | ramzy: | But does the backend need to send it to either a wifi device or an ethernet device, or are all machines connected to a router? |
| [04:18:12] | Timrit: | if it were a connection issue, i would expect it not to be able to connect/play anything from the backend. |
| [04:18:31] | wagnerrp: | the backend does not currently support multi-homed operation anyway |
| [04:18:35] | ramzy: | wagnerpp: I was just asking to try to help the guy out. I wasn't suggesting that he do it. |
| [04:18:51] | ramzy: | I see, just trying to figure it out. |
| [04:19:11] | wagnerrp: | chances are livetv is just tracking too closely behind the actual recording |
| [04:19:23] | wagnerrp: | and so is not able to get the necessary data in time to continue playback |
| [04:19:50] | Timrit: | is there a way to push it further back before starting to parse out to remote devices? |
| [04:20:04] | wagnerrp: | not that i'm aware of |
| [04:20:12] | wagnerrp: | you can always pause it, and resume a few seconds later |
| [04:20:18] | wagnerrp: | unless you're saying it never starts at all |
| [04:22:07] | Timrit: | i never get past the screen with the 1 in a couple of circles. |
| [04:22:33] | Timrit: | 2013-01–29 22:22:10.669542 I RingBuf(myth://192.168.1.112:6543/1003_20130130042108.mpg): Waited 0.5 seconds for data |
| [04:22:35] | Timrit: | to become available... 0 < 32768 |
| [04:22:53] | Timrit: | i get a bunch of those then it locks the frontend |
| [04:24:31] | Timrit: | i start it from cli so i can see output. frontend becomes unresponsive. have to kill it with ctl C |
| [04:27:09] | Timrit: | i went into the backend storage and is recording to a file which i can watch with mplayer. |
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| [04:30:17] | Timrit: | i wonder if it is a permissions thing |
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| [04:34:12] | Timrit: | hmm. i am getting strange output on backend when trying to watch on remote. |
| [04:36:31] | Timrit: | wagnerrp: you still with me? |
| [04:38:10] | Timrit: | do the two time stamps in this line cause confusion? 2013-01–29 22:34:55.369973 N Expiring 23 MB for 1040 at 2013-01–30T04:32:05Z => "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit":Criminal |
| [04:38:33] | Timrit: | two different time zones. |
| [04:38:39] | Timrit: | different days |
| [04:39:29] | wagnerrp: | looks like one is the UTC time used internally, and the other is the local time logged by syslog |
| [04:39:44] | Timrit: | systems are configured to use UTC as the wiki suggests |
| [04:39:57] | Timrit: | i am in US Central time zone. |
| [04:40:06] | wagnerrp: | the wiki suggests you configure your system time to be UTC? |
| [04:40:16] | Timrit: | the arch wiki does. |
| [04:40:25] | wagnerrp: | what for? |
| [04:40:35] | Timrit: | it then compensates for DST |
| [04:40:46] | wagnerrp: | what does? |
| [04:40:54] | wagnerrp: | oh... no no no... |
| [04:41:05] | wagnerrp: | they're saying your HARDWARE clock should be set to UTC |
| [04:41:14] | wagnerrp: | by system time, i mean the timezone defined by /etc/localtime |
| [04:42:04] | Timrit: | i wonder if it is misconfigured. |
| [04:42:19] | wagnerrp: | what do you get when you type 'date' into the terminal? |
| [04:42:38] | Timrit: | Tue Jan 29 22:42:25 CST 2013 |
| [04:42:46] | Timrit: | which is correct i believe |
| [04:42:57] | wagnerrp: | so yes, your system is running something other than UTC |
| [04:43:12] | wagnerrp: | syslog logs using the local time, while mythtv always logs using UTC |
| [04:43:26] | Timrit: | i dont want to paste timedatectl status in here. |
| [04:43:36] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [04:43:45] | Timrit: | arch is on systemd |
| [04:44:33] | Timrit: | http://pastie.org/private/q8owgsmijmgtl4hkzbq |
| [04:44:57] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what this paste is supposed to tell me |
| [04:45:48] | Timrit: | per the wiki...2013-01–29 22:22:10.669542 I RingBuf(myth://192.168.1.112:6543/1003_20130130042108.mpg): Waited 0.5 seconds for data |
| [04:45:50] | Timrit: | to become available... 0 < 32768 |
| [04:45:52] | Timrit: | ooops |
| [04:45:54] | Timrit: | sorry |
| [04:46:03] | Timrit: | To check the current hardware clock time and system clock time respectively (the hardware clock time is presented in localtime even if the hardware clock set to UTC): |
| [04:46:05] | Timrit: | $ timedatectl status |
| [04:46:13] | Timrit: | that is that paste |
| [04:46:27] | wagnerrp: | who cares about the hardware clock? |
| [04:46:29] | Timrit: | so the hardware clock is apparently on UTC |
| [04:46:46] | wagnerrp: | syslog logs using the local time, mythtv logs using the UTC time |
| [04:46:52] | wagnerrp: | that's where the discrepancy comes from |
| [04:46:56] | Timrit: | ok |
| [04:47:22] | Timrit: | i remember once long ago i had different time zones and that screwed things up. |
| [04:47:42] | wagnerrp: | correct, mythtv does still not like for your systems to be configured in different timezones |
| [04:47:55] | wagnerrp: | although now with the switch to UTC, that really no longer matters |
| [04:49:48] | Timrit: | so what would be the best way to diagnose this issue? |
| [04:51:35] | wagnerrp: | don't know |
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| [05:36:23] | saintd3v: | What is the preferred method for a frontend client to auto discover a backend? UPnP/SSDP, MDNS-SD/Avahi, something else? |
| [05:36:44] | wagnerrp: | upnp |
| [05:37:02] | wagnerrp: | technically, the autodiscovery is only to allow the backend to point the client at the database |
| [05:37:19] | wagnerrp: | clients only store the location of the database locally |
| [05:37:28] | wagnerrp: | the database then stores the location of everything else |
| [05:41:51] | Bray90820: | guess whose back |
| [05:42:02] | wagnerrp: | yours? |
| [05:42:25] | Bray90820: | sorry if that was the wrong whose |
| [05:42:36] | Bray90820: | but my backend still wont record |
| [05:42:42] | wagnerrp: | who's |
| [05:42:45] | Bray90820: | it's like it picks and chooses what to record |
| [05:43:16] | Bray90820: | here are my logs |
| [05:43:21] | Bray90820: | which again are to big for pastebin |
| [05:43:26] | Bray90820: | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33402675/Log.txt |
| [05:45:34] | Bray90820: | it was suppose to record something at 19:00 today but didn't |
| [05:46:09] | saintd3v: | wagnerrp: ok, thanks |
| [05:48:06] | Bray90820: | and the front-end says my recorder was offline |
| [05:48:13] | Bray90820: | but it did record some stuff on sunday |
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| [09:04:53] | kvarley: | Does anybody have any suggestions as to how I can improve the time taken to change channels? |
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| [09:51:40] | wizbit: | does mythweb work well with terminal based browsers like links? |
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| [12:42:36] | neufeld_AFK: | wizbit: mythweb does work with lynx. I don't know about "well", but it's navigable |
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| [16:08:03] | lapion: | wagnerp do you have any experience using a LCD LED-backlit monitor monitor as a screen ? |
| [16:08:28] | lapion: | or anyone else in here ? |
| [16:10:07] | lapion: | I am planning on replaciong my 24" Sun CRT ( best crt ever made) it uses 100W while operating and 30 w in standby. And a LED-backlit monitor should use a lot less... |
| [16:10:22] | wagnerrp: | will also look like crap compared to it |
| [16:10:52] | lapion: | ok... |
| [16:11:29] | wagnerrp: | if you're looking for good color, CFL LCDs typically perform better |
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| [16:11:58] | lapion: | yeah but a CFL lcd uses more then my current CRT |
| [16:12:30] | wagnerrp: | it shouldn't use anything like 100W, unless you're talking about replacing it with a 40" or something |
| [16:12:32] | lapion: | maybe not in standby mode, but in active mode it does.. |
| [16:13:49] | lapion: | I have been looking in on lcd monitors , and I have yet to find a CFL that uses less then it's CRT counterpart.. |
| [16:14:25] | lapion: | with the exception of laptop CFLs |
| [16:15:31] | wagnerrp: | my old 20" samsung is running 21W, and my significantly older 17" sony is running 19W |
| [16:15:47] | lapion: | laptop CFLs of course being the crapiest in quality. |
| [16:17:06] | sphery: | could always get an rgb-led backlit one :) |
| [16:18:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: apparently the color output of colored LEDs is more broadband than that of CFLs |
| [16:19:10] | wagnerrp: | so you get more bleed, and lower gamut |
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| [16:19:28] | sphery: | I had just heard it's better than white led |
| [16:19:52] | sphery: | (and why the monitors are typically > $1000) |
| [16:20:31] | wagnerrp: | because when they do that, they need special diffusers to blend the LEDs? |
| [16:20:48] | sphery: | not sure |
| [16:21:24] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure my dirt-cheap 24" 1920x1200 lcd is using ccfl backlight, and it has to be pretty low wattage |
| [16:22:01] | lapion: | I do see that IIYAMA Prolines are RGB backlit |
| [16:22:40] | lapion: | sphery do you have usage meter ? |
| [16:23:09] | sphery: | kill-a-watt says 24W |
| [16:23:15] | sphery: | that's half-black and half white |
| [16:23:18] | sphery: | going all white |
| [16:23:58] | sphery: | still 24 (actually bouncing between 23 and 24--about half on each) |
| [16:24:47] | sphery: | it has a 2W speaker, but I have the volume turned all the way down (closest I could find to disabling it--it has a very high-pitched squeal that annoyed me) |
| [16:24:49] | lapion: | ok cool.. |
| [16:25:04] | sphery: | fwiw, it's a sceptre x24wg-1080p |
| [16:25:26] | sphery: | which, for some reason, is what they call their 1920x1200 monitor |
| [16:26:48] | sphery: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824112011 in particular--not that I'm recommending it... I bought it because it was about $130 several years ago |
| [16:27:25] | lapion: | doesn't ccfl fade earlier in it's life ? |
| [16:27:48] | lapion: | than led ? |
| [16:30:45] | sphery: | using DPMS standby, suspend, and off, it goes to 0W (I'd guess that means 1/2W or less) |
| [16:32:52] | sphery: | not sure on the fading... it's still good for me... I have brightness at 53, and have since I bought it (again, several years ago) and it's still good (even in a brightly-lit room) |
| [16:32:59] | wagnerrp: | !seen dekarl |
| [16:32:59] | MythLogBot: | dekarl was last seen 10 days 9 hours 5 minutes 56 seconds ago |
| [16:33:10] | sphery: | I adjusted it way down since it was too bright off the shelf |
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| [16:36:29] | lapion: | sorry have to be afk for a short while... the loo calls... |
| [16:51:49] | lapion: | Hmm here there are allmost no more new ccfl's available |
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| [16:57:19] | sphery: | yeah, that's "progress" for you |
| [16:57:20] | sphery: | :) |
| [17:06:36] | lapion: | well at least mercury free progress.. |
| [17:06:54] | lapion: | instead of looking for an alternative way of making ccfl |
| [17:07:25] | wagnerrp: | you could always switch to some other metal halide |
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| [17:13:28] | lapion: | I forgot that most of the electricity of a lcd tv is used by the built-in tv(computer) electronics.. |
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| [17:51:25] | skd5aner: | !seen Beirdo |
| [17:51:25] | MythLogBot: | Beirdo is here and has been idle for 19 days 23 hours 49 minutes 17 seconds |
| [17:51:36] | skd5aner: | 19 days... |
| [17:51:52] | skd5aner: | call the authorities – he's clearly dead |
| [17:52:38] | skd5aner: | the BB has sucked out his soul |
| [17:52:43] | wagnerrp: | nah, he'll probably be back around shortly |
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| [17:53:32] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: I need some anti-gravity bullets – do you know where I might be able to procure some? |
| [17:53:46] | wagnerrp: | the year 3000 |
| [17:53:59] | sphery: | got some osmium? |
| [17:54:09] | skd5aner: | I thought it was around 2021? |
| [17:54:24] | wagnerrp: | something in one of the last couple episodes of fringe? |
| [17:54:26] | sphery: | in the original timeline, it was like 2009 |
| [17:54:38] | sphery: | season 1 or 2, IIRC |
| [17:54:50] | skd5aner: | ... /the/ last episode of fringe |
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| [17:55:04] | sphery: | yeah, but they brought them back from the early seasons |
| [17:55:06] | skd5aner: | sphery: true |
| [17:55:15] | skd5aner: | from his lab stash |
| [17:55:18] | sphery: | right |
| [17:55:41] | sphery: | "Anti-gravity Osmium bullets. Shoot observers with these and watch them float away like balloons." |
| [17:55:52] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: not seen the finale yet? |
| [17:55:56] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [17:56:03] | sphery: | "Because it's cool." |
| [17:56:27] | skd5aner: | sphery: heh – I liked the very last bit of comic relief |
| [17:56:42] | skd5aner: | was a nice way to honor that part of Walter |
| [17:56:53] | sphery: | So, Os = S3E16 |
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| [17:57:19] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [17:57:48] | skd5aner: | I'm excited for a series premier... tonight... |
| [17:57:59] | skd5aner: | been looking forward to it for months, probably more than any premier in a long time |
| [17:58:05] | skd5aner: | "The Americans" on FX |
| [17:58:26] | sphery: | that one looks interesting |
| [17:58:35] | tmkt: | The Following has been pretty good |
| [17:58:37] | sphery: | I'll have to wait for it on Amazon Instant or Netflix or DVD |
| [17:58:42] | skd5aner: | Russian Spies living in Suburban America when Reagan gets elected |
| [17:59:04] | sphery: | Is Kerry Russell a Russian or American? |
| [17:59:10] | sphery: | (spy or counter?) |
| [17:59:29] | sphery: | er, Keri, it seems |
| [17:59:41] | skd5aner: | No idea... they've done a good job at shielding the plotline and I've intentionally tried to keep a "clean mind" about the show |
| [17:59:45] | sphery: | seems she's Russian |
| [17:59:49] | sphery: | http://perezhilton.com/2012-03-08-keri-russel . . . .UQlfj7NOnmE |
| [18:00:40] | skd5aner: | Apparently, I'm missing out on "Homeland" too... but a family member of mine just mentioned they got the DVDs for Christmas, so I anticipate borrowing that shortly |
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| [18:01:17] | skd5aner: | ABC cancelled Last Resort – they ended it last week |
| [18:01:22] | sphery: | I'm about to start Falling Skies--Amazon got exclusive rights on it, so it's available on Instant Prime |
| [18:01:33] | skd5aner: | I liked the show alright, but it was a little too soap-opera-y |
| [18:01:52] | skd5aner: | and they tried to end it over 3 episodes... so hurry up ending |
| [18:02:00] | sphery: | hehe |
| [18:02:11] | sphery: | yeah, I haven't started that one since they announced it was going to be cancelled |
| [18:02:17] | sphery: | will probably watch it at 1.75x |
| [18:02:21] | sphery: | just low prio |
| [18:02:36] | skd5aner: | I'm debating going to Netflix... I had blockbuster online for years and quit that about 3 years ago... |
| [18:02:36] | sphery: | finished off fringe once the last ep aired |
| [18:03:36] | skd5aner: | I'm really enjoying Person of Interest right now too |
| [18:03:40] | sphery: | Netflix has much better TV selection than Amazon Instant Prime. I have Prime and my gf has Netflix. She just dropped streaming for now, though--we have too much to watch with just DVDs and Prime and MythTV (broadcast-only) recordings |
| [18:04:02] | skd5aner: | I've got Amazon Instant Prime too, but have ony ever used it once |
| [18:04:10] | skd5aner: | (for video streaming) |
| [18:04:28] | sphery: | oh, and she's getting Walking Dead for us on her DVR (that should be starting back up soon, right?) |
| [18:04:30] | skd5aner: | get it working in mythtv, and I'd be very appy |
| [18:04:36] | sphery: | hehe |
| [18:04:42] | skd5aner: | sphery: Feb 14 I think – Valentines day |
| [18:04:51] | sphery: | I find it's easier just to use my XB360 |
| [18:05:08] | skd5aner: | I don't want to switch inputs... makes me feel dirty |
| [18:05:09] | sphery: | then no problems with Flash garbage and "it just works" |
| [18:05:26] | skd5aner: | when is MythTV's moto ever going to be "it just works"? |
| [18:05:40] | skd5aner: | oh... wait... that's too funny |
| [18:05:48] | wagnerrp: | when we start offering it pre-installed on a limited hardware set |
| [18:05:50] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [18:06:08] | skd5aner: | netflix isn't on a limited hardware set ;) |
| [18:06:42] | skd5aner: | maybe mythtv should just be a cloud service with an API... right? |
| [18:06:54] | skd5aner: | mwhahahahaha |
| [18:07:01] | wagnerrp: | sure it is, each hardware manufacturer writes their own implementation on their own hardware |
| [18:07:20] | wagnerrp: | except for on PCs, where they just make it silverlight and leave it up to microsoft to handle the particulars |
| [18:09:22] | skd5aner: | so, on a related topic, what lies in stock for the future of mnv |
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| [18:21:05] | sphery: | death by a 1000 drms? |
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| [18:54:16] | louisdk: | Hi. How do I customize the subtitles for external video on mythtv 0.26? |
| [18:54:29] | wagnerrp: | external video? |
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| [18:55:19] | ** wizbit tests links with mythweb ** | |
| [18:57:06] | wizbit: | hmm bit messy |
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| [18:57:13] | wizbit: | but managed to record something |
| [18:57:21] | wizbit: | maybe a mobile mythweb layout might be better with links? |
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| [19:02:25] | wizbit: | ive found a bug in mythweb |
| [19:02:30] | wizbit: | if you change to the lite template |
| [19:02:39] | wizbit: | you cannot select settings and come out of it |
| [19:02:56] | wizbit: | /var/www/private/mythweb/modules/settings/tmpl/lite/welcome.php, line 25: !!NoTrans: Invalid argument supplied for foreach()!! |
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| [19:12:27] | louisdk: | wagnerrp: If I have some video clips placed in my video folder with optional subtitles. |
| [19:12:41] | wagnerrp: | i believe the default keybinding is 't' |
| [19:13:55] | louisdk: | wagnerrp: It is. But my question is how do I change the size of the subtitles. There pretty small on the screen. |
| [19:14:07] | wagnerrp: | the theme controls that |
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| [19:36:55] | sphery: | louisdk('s ghost): http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11374#comment:1 (i.e. use the menu) |
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| [19:55:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery, skd5aner: walter's badassitude grew three sizes that day... |
| [19:56:20] | sphery: | hehe |
| [19:57:29] | sphery: | sad when trying to view source of an already-rendered web page maxes out your firefox instance for minutes at a time |
| [19:57:44] | sphery: | all just because I wanted to copy "unfinished ..." rather than type it in |
| [19:58:11] | sphery: | wonder if firefox will eer recover (and it's not swapping--just max'ed cpu) |
| [19:59:25] | sphery: | finally back |
| [20:00:37] | foo8ar: | hi all |
| [20:01:02] | foo8ar: | I'm still trying to restore my system onto new hosts but not fully there |
| [20:01:39] | sphery: | step 1: use the same host name |
| [20:01:46] | sphery: | step 2: use the same ip address |
| [20:01:57] | foo8ar: | my biggest problem right now is that the system status doesn't show that i have any connected cards in my system and therefore unable to record |
| [20:01:59] | sphery: | step 3: do a full database restore |
| [20:02:00] | foo8ar: | :-D |
| [20:02:17] | sphery: | sounds like you used a different host name and/or ip address |
| [20:02:27] | foo8ar: | still i wanna challenge the enormous knowledge in this forum |
| [20:03:05] | sphery: | to change hostname properly, you must do so before ever running any mythtv applications on that host against the database: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend |
| [20:03:38] | foo8ar: | i did restore and used the option to change the hostname |
| [20:03:40] | sphery: | if you don't do that right, you have a lot of manual cleanup to do--which is basically the equivalent of "starting over" your capture card and storage group configuration: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Backend_migration# . . . _old_backend |
| [20:03:56] | sphery: | the best approach is to: step 1: use the same host name; step 2: use the same ip address |
| [20:04:30] | sphery: | then you don't have to learn the ins and outs of mythtv configuration and data |
| [20:04:43] | foo8ar: | which could be of use to know the system |
| [20:04:45] | sphery: | and you don't end up messing up your configuration when you think you've figured it out but haven't :) |
| [20:04:50] | foo8ar: | but i read yor lips sphery |
| [20:04:51] | foo8ar: | |
| [20:05:46] | sphery: | my recommendation is to re-restore the backup you made on the old host/system, then either change the name of your system back to what it was before |
| [20:05:51] | foo8ar: | actually i removed all cards in the system and verified that by looking into capture card and cardinput |
| [20:05:54] | sphery: | or do a LocalHostName override in your config.xml |
| [20:06:16] | sphery: | then run mythtv-setup to make sure all is good |
| [20:06:20] | sphery: | then start the system and enjoy |
| [20:06:21] | foo8ar: | then added new cards and scanned for channels |
| [20:06:26] | sphery: | that's by far the fastest and easiest way |
| [20:06:47] | sphery: | and I have to get going, so I can't walk you through all the myriad things that you'd have to check to figure out what's broken, now |
| [20:07:07] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database (for restoring the backup from the old system) |
| [20:07:31] | foo8ar: | and I really appreciate your help |
| [20:08:00] | wagnerrp: | woo! chest bursters! |
| [20:09:01] | foo8ar: | interesting the cards are in the system as they use EIT to populate program in the db |
| [20:09:35] | foo8ar: | and you can watch the backend to crawl through all the channels |
| [20:10:02] | foo8ar: | the problem is that encoder status in myth web shows blank |
| [20:10:29] | foo8ar: | and therefore I'm unable to start any new recordings |
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| [20:52:05] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: haha – catching up? |
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| [21:05:03] | Kuhne: | Hi, I'm having trouble with mythexport. Worked perfectly yesterday and doesn't work any longer. The files are not created. |
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| [21:05:12] | Kuhne: | Anyone any good with mythexport? |
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| [21:54:55] | wizbit: | I'm starting to wonder if Mythtv could be the best thing ever to be invented |
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| [22:06:44] | skd5aner: | wizbit: you'll eventually come to the conclusion that it's not in the top 100 even |
| [22:06:57] | ** skd5aner - bubble buster ** | |
| [22:07:19] | wizbit: | mythtv is the most used bit of software in my house |
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| [22:08:54] | skd5aner: | wizbit: well, if we want to get technical – it's probably not... but, yes, it's probably one of the most "used" pieces of software I use too – just doesn't mean it's near the greatest inventions of all time |
| [22:09:43] | skd5aner: | in addition, as awesome as mythtv is – it'll always have to live up to it's own monicker... a convergence box is truely a mythical creature – one doesn't exist |
| [22:09:54] | wizbit: | well it took me 3–4 years to learn, so it must be quite technical |
| [22:10:03] | skd5aner: | there's so many things I really wish it could do, but it doesn't... and never could |
| [22:10:06] | runelind: | I wish livetv worked better on my HTPC :-/ |
| [22:10:19] | skd5aner: | and things that it should do well, but doesn't |
| [22:10:42] | runelind: | usually gets choppy and kicks me back to the home screen with framerate errors |
| [22:10:51] | skd5aner: | and things that it does do well, but so do similiar commercial offerings at this point |
| [22:10:58] | skd5aner: | runelind: what version? |
| [22:11:10] | skd5aner: | runelind: and what kind of tuner are you attempting to use for live tv? |
| [22:12:19] | runelind: | 0.26 with a HD HomeRun Prime |
| [22:12:35] | runelind: | Mythbuntu frontend running on an NVidia ION platform. |
| [22:12:44] | runelind: | I turned on VDPAU |
| [22:13:40] | devinheitmueller: | Hey, is the IVTV VBI parsing done in Myth used exclusively for NTSC closed captions? Or is it being used for other stuff like WSS and Teletext as well? |
| [22:14:53] | runelind: | playing back recorded content works great. |
| [22:15:01] | skd5aner: | runelind: ah... I had really good success with Live TV and and HDHR-Prime with cablecard in 0.25 |
| [22:15:23] | skd5aner: | runelind: I don't think the ION platform is a great frontend, but yea... VDPAU should help |
| [22:16:44] | runelind: | I would think if recorded content works well that live tv should be fine as well. |
| [22:17:04] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: you might want to talk with stichnot – he's done a lot of the CC stuff recently |
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| [22:17:17] | jams: | skd5aner, amusing with the ion..i get faster smoother channel changes with an ion platform then my i5. both systems frontend only |
| [22:17:28] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: do I need to move over to #mythtv then? |
| [22:17:55] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: yea, probably a good idea – lots of discussion recently from others interested in the subject over there too |
| [22:18:03] | devinheitmueller: | ok |
| [22:18:24] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: thanks. |
| [22:20:28] | skd5aner: | np :) |
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| [22:21:21] | devinheitmueller: | I like to think my questions typically are more relevant to #mythtv than the typical "how do I make my frontend work", but figured no harm in asking. :-) |
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| [22:56:20] | Bray90820: | guess whos back |
| [22:57:09] | Bray90820: | the same problem i was always having is still happening |
| [22:57:16] | Bray90820: | my recordings fail to record |
| [22:57:33] | Bray90820: | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33402675/Log.txt |
| [22:57:35] | Bray90820: | that's my log |
| [22:57:46] | Bray90820: | and yeat again there to big for pastebin |
| [23:00:24] | Bray90820: | it records some things but not others |
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| [23:00:50] | Bray90820: | 7:00 pm on 1/29 was something it failed to record |
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| [23:03:42] | jpabq: | Bray90820: based on lines like "Client speaks protocol version 8 but we speak 72!" you seem to have a mix of myth stuff installed. First step would be to completely clear out all of the myth stuff from /usr and re-install so all the components are from the same version. Do a "find /usr -name "*myth*" to find out what all is installed. |
| [23:06:28] | Bray90820: | my a mix do you mean 0.25 and 0.26 |
| [23:06:34] | Bray90820: | by |
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| [23:08:42] | Bray90820: | do i do that without the quotes |
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| [23:09:24] | Bray90820: | jpabq do i do the command without the quotes |
| [23:11:55] | jams: | Bray90820, you need the quotes around the * but not at the start of the find : find /usr -name "*myth*" |
| [23:12:10] | Bray90820: | thank you |
| [23:14:06] | Bray90820: | japabq are you saying i have 0.25 and 0.26 components |
| [23:14:18] | Bray90820: | jpabq |
| [23:15:28] | Bray90820: | this is the output |
| [23:15:29] | Bray90820: | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3qxwf6vQ |
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| [23:25:41] | jpabq: | Bray90820: you are generally running 0.25. Something else is trying to connect with the wrong protocol, though — so something is out of sync. |
| [23:26:43] | Bray90820: | well i did previously have a mix of 0.25 and 0.26 but tgm4883 helped me downgrade everything to 0.25 |
| [23:26:52] | Bray90820: | and i thought we had gatten it all |
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| [23:27:55] | jpabq: | Single machine running both frontend and backend? |
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| [23:30:05] | Bray90820: | yes |
| [23:30:19] | Bray90820: | but my main backend is XBMC running on a different machine |
| [23:30:27] | Bray90820: | no |
| [23:30:31] | Bray90820: | let me say that again |
| [23:30:44] | Bray90820: | my main frontend is XBMC running on a different machine |
| [23:33:51] | jpabq: | Bray90820: That is probably what is causing the protocol errors — whatever version of XBMC you are using is trying to use a very old protocol. You are also getting a lot of socket errors, which could be caused by the same thing. |
| [23:34:26] | jpabq: | I also see: Jan 29 19:12:42 server mythbackend[6763]: N HDHRStreamHandler dtvsignalmonitor.cpp:354 (HandlePMT) DTVSM(131600CB-0): PMT says program 1 is encrypted |
| [23:34:28] | Bray90820: | but most of the time i don't even have the frontend running |
| [23:34:54] | Bray90820: | does that mean that the channel can't be decrypted |
| [23:35:51] | jpabq: | Is this using a HDHomeRun Prime? |
| [23:36:43] | Bray90820: | yes |
| [23:36:57] | Bray90820: | so it's a probelum with my cable card? |
| [23:37:59] | jpabq: | Maybe. I don't have a cable card, so don't have any experience there. But, it does look like Myth is balking because it thinks the channel is encrypted. |
| [23:38:09] | Bray90820: | hum |
| [23:38:17] | Bray90820: | that's odd |
| [23:38:30] | Bray90820: | 19:12 is is 7:12 pm right |
| [23:39:23] | jpabq: | Jan 29 17:00:19 server mythbackend[6763]: N HDHRStreamHandler dtvsignalmonitor.cpp:354 (HandlePMT) DTVSM(131600CB-0): PMT says program 19 is encrypted |
| [23:39:52] | Bray90820: | the odd thing is i can watch all my channels |
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| [23:42:30] | jpabq: | you probably need to post mythbackend logs with "-v channel, record" to provide more info. However, if you do, please trim the log down to just the hour that you think something didn't work. |
| [23:43:10] | Bray90820: | from what it looks like is something hung last night at 19:00 on abc but on 1/23 at 21:00 it had a successful recording on ABC |
| [23:44:51] | Bray90820: | sorry for being kinda nube here but when i tried -v channel, record it said command not found |
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| [23:52:51] | jpabq: | I don't know how your system is starting up mythbackend, but you may want to change it to something like "mythbackend --nodblog --syslog none --logpath /var/log/mythtv -v channel,record" |
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| [23:55:41] | Bray90820: | well right now to start mythtv backend i run this code |
| [23:55:42] | Bray90820: | mythtv-setup |
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