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[01:22:19] | mark2013: | System Status / Machine Status / System: Total Disk Space: 14 GB, 13 GB used, 1.7 GB (or 12%) free. Previously I had configged Video Storage Group Directory to /media/TV/recordings, where 150 gig is free what is not in sync (with apologies to Timberlake) |
[01:22:43] | wagnerrp: | is /media/TV/recordings mounted? |
[01:23:10] | mark2013: | it is mounted |
[01:23:27] | wagnerrp: | and you can see the files in it? |
[01:23:38] | wagnerrp: | and the user running mythbackend can see the files in it? |
[01:25:05] | mark2013: | I'm so new to Myth that I would have no understanding of "can see files in it" – It's an external USB drive. It has recordings from previous PVR on it. But as yet, Myth has no recorded a show. Myth is set to record in 6 minutes "Family Guy" as a test |
[01:25:31] | wagnerrp: | what filesystem is this external USB drive? |
[01:25:48] | wagnerrp: | i'm guessing NTFS, or some blend of FAT? |
[01:25:58] | mark2013: | just a sec |
[01:26:37] | mark2013: | HPFS/NTFS |
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[01:27:02] | wagnerrp: | yes, problem... |
[01:27:10] | mark2013: | mounted at /media/TV |
[01:27:16] | wagnerrp: | Linux doesn't do NTFS |
[01:27:28] | mark2013: | ooooooohhhhhhhh |
[01:27:29] | wagnerrp: | it _can_ use them, but it doesn't handle the file permissions |
[01:27:51] | mark2013: | I have made disk 777 for mythtv:mythtv |
[01:28:05] | wagnerrp: | instead, it typically sets the filesystem as read/write capable for one user, and denies access to everyone else |
[01:28:15] | wagnerrp: | this is something set at the time of mounting |
[01:28:32] | wagnerrp: | any permissions you configure using chown/chmod do nothing |
[01:28:56] | mark2013: | OK, thank you, this is most confusing to novice |
[01:29:06] | mark2013: | I must cancel recording brb |
[01:29:29] | wagnerrp: | usually when you have these things automounted by your desktop environment, it gives access to only the first user logged into the DE |
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[01:30:41] | mark2013: | OK, I am going to reformat external usb drive to ext2. Will that then work without setting permissions? |
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[01:30:57] | wagnerrp: | you don't want to use ext2 |
[01:31:02] | wagnerrp: | use ext4 at minimum |
[01:31:13] | wagnerrp: | and you probably want to copy the content off of it before formatting |
[01:31:35] | mark2013: | Yest, thanks, that's also my DejaDup backup of my /home |
[01:32:03] | wagnerrp: | ext2 should really never be used |
[01:32:10] | mark2013: | I have about 200 gig free space on /sda5 is there a way to put mythTV recordings there |
[01:32:22] | wagnerrp: | the only use for it is read-only boot partitions |
[01:32:38] | mark2013: | Maybe i'm thinking of ext3 |
[01:32:39] | wagnerrp: | ext3 is fine-ish... but has poor delete performance for large files |
[01:33:02] | wagnerrp: | the several GB recordings mythtv makes can take tens of seconds to delete, and lock of the system while doing so |
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[01:33:26] | mark2013: | JTFS? |
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[01:33:38] | wagnerrp: | there's a special "slow deletes" mechanism in mythtv intended to handle this deficiency |
[01:33:47] | wagnerrp: | where it slowly truncates the file a couple MB at a time |
[01:33:49] | mark2013: | I have it as: CHECKED |
[01:33:51] | wagnerrp: | rather than delete it all at once |
[01:34:09] | wagnerrp: | ext4, xfs, jfs... all should work fine for recordings |
[01:34:46] | wagnerrp: | however, i'm not aware if any of those filesystems have any windows support |
[01:34:47] | mark2013: | OK, so how can I put recordings on /sda5 which is my /home for now? |
[01:35:00] | mark2013: | I no longer use windows |
[01:35:19] | wagnerrp: | you had the other disk mounted at /media/TV? |
[01:35:20] | mark2013: | I'm doing the switchover this comining week or two |
[01:35:36] | mark2013: | technically /media/TV/recordings |
[01:35:45] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you don't want to do that |
[01:36:07] | wagnerrp: | when you unmount the disk, /media/TV/recordings will still exist, so mythtv will try to record to it |
[01:36:15] | wagnerrp: | and you don't want mythtv recording to your root filesystem |
[01:36:30] | mark2013: | It's not set to / (root) |
[01:36:39] | mark2013: | as far as I can understand |
[01:36:42] | wagnerrp: | always record to at least one subdirectory beneath the root of a mount |
[01:37:15] | mark2013: | it is /media/TV/recordings – recordings is the folder under TV which folder is under /media |
[01:37:33] | wagnerrp: | and they're all on the root mount? |
[01:37:44] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to '/home', which is the root of a separate filesystem |
[01:38:10] | mark2013: | Sorry, I'm not tech versed to answer/respond (intelligently) |
[01:38:21] | wagnerrp: | basically... i'm saying you should record directly to /home (sda5:/), but should record to something like /home/recordings (sda5:/recordings) |
[01:38:35] | mark2013: | OK |
[01:38:42] | wagnerrp: | and then / is probably sda2:/ or something |
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[01:39:09] | wagnerrp: | and /media/TV/recordings is either sda2:/media/TV/recordings, or sdb1:/, depending on whether that external disk is mounted |
[01:39:13] | mark2013: | no, sadly I have /sda1 as win-reserve and /sda2 as c: |
[01:39:55] | wagnerrp: | it would be better if the disk were mounted to /media/TV, with recordings being a directory on the disk... so when the disk was not mounted, /media/TV/recordings simply did not exist for mythtv to record to |
[01:40:20] | mark2013: | I will make directory as follows /home/mark/TV |
[01:40:37] | mark2013: | it will be part of /sda5 |
[01:40:45] | wagnerrp: | which is mounted to /home? |
[01:40:52] | mark2013: | yes |
[01:40:56] | wagnerrp: | but do you understand what i'm getting at? |
[01:41:27] | wagnerrp: | you can give MythTV multiple storage paths, and it will automatically balance recordings between them |
[01:41:33] | mark2013: | Maybe not. You suggest folder for MythTV recordings under root by at least 2 directores |
[01:41:50] | wagnerrp: | if for whatever reason, one of those paths is missing, MythTV will record to whatever paths are still remaining |
[01:42:14] | mark2013: | So that is in Video Storage Group Directories config? |
[01:42:15] | wagnerrp: | i'm saying if you're recording to the root of a mount, and that mount is not mounted, MythTV will still see it and still try to record to it |
[01:42:22] | wagnerrp: | which is often not something you want it to be doing |
[01:42:36] | mark2013: | I'm not trying to do that |
[01:42:55] | mark2013: | I will not be using external usb drive. Period. |
[01:43:10] | mark2013: | I will reconfig Myth for recordings on /sda |
[01:43:15] | wagnerrp: | ok, you're going to remove the existing recording path entirely |
[01:43:25] | mark2013: | yes |
[01:47:15] | mark2013: | I have set Storage Groups in Default as /home/mark/myth-tv and LiveTV as /home/mark/myth-tv |
[01:49:47] | wagnerrp: | if you don't define anything for LiveTV, it automatically drops through to whatever is in Default |
[01:51:13] | mark2013: | OK, now Delete Recordings page shows 31% used, 199.77 GB free |
[01:53:03] | mark2013: | It looks like I'm good to go. And configging Ubuntu from Myth Audio as ALSA to Pulse is allowing volume/mute control |
[01:53:24] | mark2013: | from ALSA to Pulse |
[01:53:57] | wagnerrp: | you know, Pulse is just an extra layer stacked on top of ALSA |
[01:54:36] | mark2013: | Due to volume control bug in XFCE/Ubuntu I lost total OS over the weekend. It's just back up today |
[01:55:26] | tgm4883: | A volume control bug caused a complete OS reinstall? |
[01:55:30] | tgm4883: | that seems unlikely |
[01:56:27] | mark2013: | I cannot be 100%, but after adding MythTV and fiddling with vol. control. OS blew up. If you want I will post URL to UbuntuForums here at IRC? |
[01:57:21] | mark2013: | Opppsss, thanks Mr. wagnerrp & tgm, I gotta go make dinner |
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[04:37:40] | Oleg_: | hello, is there anyone available? |
[04:38:52] | Korny2: | Never hurts to ask |
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[06:30:21] | wagnerrp: | oof... "gmake install" works better when you're typing into the terminal with root rights |
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[06:35:42] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, I noticed one thing. mythfrontend doesn't crash if I use the up and down arrows for switching channels, instead of directly typing the number of a channel |
[06:35:49] | Oleg_: | isn't it weird? |
[06:37:03] | wagnerrp: | probably has something to do with tuning or not tuning to a channel on an active multiplex |
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[06:38:37] | foo8ar: | hi all, i'm trying to move recordings to a new server. what tables do i need to export apart from the obvious recorded to "see" my recordings in my new setting? |
[06:38:46] | wagnerrp: | all of them |
[06:38:55] | wagnerrp: | dump the whole thing, import it on the new server |
[06:39:08] | foo8ar: | google have shown me some variants, but they tend to break my current setup |
[06:39:50] | wagnerrp: | did it show this one? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
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[06:43:21] | Korny2: | wagnerrp, are there any thoughts fo making a place shift client? For remote access to mythtv that autonegotiates the bandwidth and encoding bit rates. I miss that from Sagetv |
[06:43:43] | wagnerrp: | first step is removing direct access to the database |
[06:43:47] | wagnerrp: | that's still a ways off |
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[06:44:19] | wagnerrp: | 3rd party clients can use the Services API and HLS servers |
[06:44:29] | wagnerrp: | there's already a couple available that do exactly that |
[06:44:38] | Korny2: | For PC's? |
[06:44:58] | Korny2: | I know some android ones are working on it |
[06:45:07] | wagnerrp: | not for PCs, just mobile devices |
[06:45:42] | Korny2: | Right now I'm using emit to do it at the moment, it works ok |
[06:46:28] | foo8ar_: | i have new hardware and new cards, so I really are interested in the recordings. |
[06:47:01] | Korny2: | I know you can access the server status port and stream that way |
[06:52:37] | wagnerrp: | foo8ar_: so what's the harm in carrying the whole database over? |
[06:53:51] | bas-t: | foo8ar: and afterwards go to mythtv-setup, delete all of the cards and install the new ones |
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[08:48:06] | oobe: | did you know that aardvarks are the only animal that are in the very first page of the dictionary |
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[12:02:08] | lapion: | oobe, depends on what language the dictionary if for.. |
[12:03:05] | oobe: | good point |
[12:03:10] | oobe: | aarvarkian |
[12:03:20] | oobe: | aardvarkian |
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[13:13:26] | oobe: | lapion, I am trying to find out how many animals are on the first page of the dutch dictionary right now :) |
[13:13:57] | oobe: | good on you for being so forward and ready to stand for your nation |
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[14:27:16] | tmkt: | Any better view of UpNP recordings? Would be nice if they were grouped by show |
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[14:34:56] | wagnerrp: | what's this? the full version of More Human Than Human on the radio? i've not heard that since the whole "wardrobe malfunction" debacle... |
[14:35:34] | tmkt: | Just when I connect to my Myth server from my boxee box |
[14:35:37] | tmkt: | and go to Recordings |
[14:35:47] | tmkt: | i have like 200 lines of kids shows |
[14:35:58] | tmkt: | every episode listed |
[14:36:19] | tmkt: | would be nice if all the curious georges were in a folder call curious george and all the episodes within that |
[14:36:22] | wagnerrp: | i recall recordings being grouped by date |
[14:36:48] | wagnerrp: | not flat listed |
[14:37:07] | tmkt: | Yeah..Haven't seen that |
[14:37:20] | tmkt: | that would be easier to weed through also |
[14:37:47] | tmkt: | so right now I've just separated Kids and Adult into different recording groups |
[14:37:57] | tmkt: | which helps me get to The Office, or whatever quicker |
[14:38:09] | tmkt: | but still for the kids to find what they want they have to scrool through hundreds of episodes |
[14:38:37] | wagnerrp: | ill go check... |
[14:42:11] | wagnerrp: | can't check, tv doesn't want to pick up the backend |
[14:42:19] | wagnerrp: | probably a result of all those socket errors in the logs |
[14:43:46] | tmkt: | I'll try all 5 different Boxee options tonight |
[14:44:05] | tmkt: | I tried by Date/Title and All Recordings |
[14:44:15] | tmkt: | but date and title, both asked me to select a Title and a date |
[14:44:24] | tmkt: | so it would only scan that date or that title |
[14:44:45] | tmkt: | so I would have to add a new File source each time i added a new recording schedule which would be a pita |
[14:45:24] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what any of that means |
[14:46:02] | tmkt: | Just that when you add File sources.. you can select AFP/SMB/UPNP |
[14:47:17] | tmkt: | if you select UPNP you get the nice data from Myth, and gives you the option to add All recordings, recordings by date, recordings by title or recordings by group |
[14:47:40] | tmkt: | So all recordings will show all recordings(which is the mess i have now) |
[14:47:56] | tmkt: | By Group allows me to do by Recording Group so Kids/Adult |
[14:48:28] | tmkt: | By Date, it goes into the list and shows me a list of dates and I can select one of those dates to be added to Boxee, but then its only that date |
[14:48:31] | wagnerrp: | oh, so it sounds like boxee is taking the default file structure offered by mythtv, and resorting on its own based off the available metadata? |
[14:48:48] | wagnerrp: | windows media player does the same thing |
[14:49:12] | tmkt: | Yeah |
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[14:49:38] | wagnerrp: | if that's the case, then there's nothing mythtv can do about it |
[14:49:39] | tmkt: | Going to try something tonight...Maybe I just went too far down the tree...perhaps I should just take by title or date and stop there. |
[14:49:46] | tmkt: | Can't reemember if that was possible or not |
[14:49:58] | wagnerrp: | since mythtv is no longer providing the structure |
[14:50:02] | wagnerrp: | just the flat data |
[14:50:34] | tmkt: | Boxee does some weird stuff anyhow |
[14:50:43] | tmkt: | like it doesn't officially support my hdhomerun |
[14:51:25] | tmkt: | but on my mythbox, i create some playlist files for each channel on the hdhomerun and it works |
[14:51:27] | tmkt: | ugly |
[14:51:52] | tmkt: | would rather have a MythFE box up there..just need to find a nice tiny piece of hardware for 100$ |
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[15:19:59] | tmkt: | is myth on a mac mini a hassle? |
[15:20:05] | tmkt: | friend at work has a mac mini he wants to put it on |
[15:20:15] | wagnerrp: | depends on the version |
[15:20:21] | wagnerrp: | current ones use AMD graphics |
[15:20:32] | tmkt: | older mac mini |
[15:21:01] | wagnerrp: | how old? what generation? |
[15:21:08] | tmkt: | one sec |
[15:21:42] | tmkt: | may 2006 |
[15:21:57] | wagnerrp: | anything 2009–2010 should work fine |
[15:21:59] | tmkt: | 1Mb of ram..i'm guess he shouldn't waste his time |
[15:22:11] | wagnerrp: | 1GB? |
[15:22:27] | tmkt: | he must mean 1gb |
[15:22:35] | wagnerrp: | my calculator has more than 1mb of ram |
[15:22:39] | tmkt: | yeah |
[15:22:40] | wagnerrp: | GB, not gb |
[15:22:41] | tmkt: | i think it was a typo |
[15:23:29] | wagnerrp: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Mini#Specifications_2 |
[15:23:40] | wagnerrp: | if it's at least that 9400M unit, it's doable |
[15:23:48] | tmkt: | i think he should probably just go pick up a barebones pc and do it |
[15:23:51] | wagnerrp: | if it's a GMA950 unit, don't bother |
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[18:44:53] | foo8ar: | is it possible to move from 0.24 to 0.26 via export and import database (on different hosts)? |
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[19:21:39] | wizbit: | anybody here use mpd? |
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[19:29:56] | foo8ar: | :( |
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[19:30:01] | foo8ar: | (PromptForUpgrade) Console is non-interactive, can't prompt user... |
[19:36:48] | foo8ar: | and then doing a new restore and starting in interactive mode: "Not allowed to upgrade the database." |
[19:37:08] | foo8ar: | any hints would be appreciated greatly |
[19:42:06] | sphery: | foo8ar: Yes, 0.26 can upgrade a 0.24 database |
[19:42:30] | sphery: | foo8ar: "Console is non-interactive, can't prompt user" only happens when you try to use mythbackend to upgrade the database--which is never recommended |
[19:42:42] | sphery: | the proper approach is to run mythtv-setup on any host to upgrade the database |
[19:43:04] | sphery: | note, too, that only the master mythbackend has permission to upgrade the database (thus the " |
[19:43:13] | sphery: | Not allowed to upgrade the database.") |
[19:43:32] | sphery: | which means that your config.xml isn't proper for 0.26--something else that mythtv-setup will fix for you |
[19:43:40] | foo8ar: | ok, i'll try the setup |
[19:43:43] | foo8ar: | thx |
[19:43:52] | sphery: | I'd recommend re-doing the restore |
[19:44:04] | sphery: | of the pre-upgrade-attempt 0.24 database |
[19:44:12] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database |
[19:44:28] | sphery: | that way, you'll know that none of your false steps had any detrimental impact on the DB/data |
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[19:50:23] | foo8ar: | :) |
[19:50:42] | foo8ar: | things are looking better and better |
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[20:05:20] | foo8ar: | thanks @sphery it looks like a working system now (more or less) |
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[20:05:52] | foo8ar: | i need to add the new cards and rescan to verify |
[20:07:35] | foo8ar: | the listing on mythweb lacks the png:s, maybe remove them from the recordings directory and the system will regenerate them? |
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[20:30:44] | foo8ar: | system status show only the old cards. i've tried to remove them from mythconverg.capturecard and mythconverg.cardinput but still system status shows the old cards on the old host not connected :( |
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[20:55:19] | sphery: | foo8ar: did you change the host names? |
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[20:55:24] | sphery: | if so, you have to clean up the hard way, now |
[20:55:36] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Backend_migration# . . . _old_backend |
[20:56:07] | sphery: | foo8ar: alternatively, re-restore the pre-upgrade backup, then either set the LocalHostName override in config.xml or just use the same host name as the previous host |
[20:56:14] | foo8ar: | yes it's a new host name |
[20:56:33] | sphery: | foo8ar: Also, you /must/ do the "Delete all capture cards" (not "Delete all capture cards on <hostname>"). as describe |
[20:56:36] | sphery: | described |
[20:56:51] | sphery: | why did you do a new host name? it's /much/ easier to keep it the same |
[20:57:01] | foo8ar: | mm i'll guess i need to do the restore over again |
[20:57:10] | sphery: | if you can, I highly recommend the easy out--re-restore and use the same name |
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[20:57:29] | sphery: | (actually it's a "profile" name, but the default value for the profile name is the host name) |
[20:57:58] | foo8ar: | anyway thanks a lot |
[20:58:12] | sphery: | good luck |
[20:58:22] | foo8ar: | do you by any chance have an idea about the thumbnails? |
[20:59:04] | foo8ar: | on earlier versions you could se the backend recreating new ones if it couldn't find a suitable one |
[21:00:01] | sphery: | that's caused by your changing hostnames |
[21:00:27] | sphery: | i.e. the whole "if [you changed the host name] you have to clean up the hard way, now" |
[21:00:33] | foo8ar: | ok |
[21:01:01] | sphery: | so changing it back (or using the override)--and re-restoring the pre-upgrade backup--will fix it |
[21:01:11] | foo8ar: | looking in the database most references actually refers to the recording backend rather then the master backend |
[21:01:21] | sphery: | basically mythweb is unable to contact the host that owns the entries |
[21:01:22] | foo8ar: | in terms of hostname |
[21:01:29] | sphery: | right |
[21:01:29] | foo8ar: | ok, i see |
[21:01:35] | sphery: | you can't change hostname unless you do it right |
[21:01:45] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend |
[21:01:57] | foo8ar: | thx |
[21:02:02] | sphery: | if you don't do that, you make a huge mess that you have to clean up as described on the Retiring_an_old_backend entry |
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[21:21:09] | justinh: | ARGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH EMAIL SUCKS |
[21:21:25] | justinh: | I'm this '' close to paying for a control panel now |
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[21:50:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: have you done much with the UI code? |
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[22:19:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no, not really--avoided it as much as possible |
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[23:26:22] | wagnerrp: | ok, i wasn't sure, since you seemed to be doing a bit with the theme groups |
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[23:41:35] | skd5aner: | damnit, live tv wants to start on my analog tuners again so now I'm constantly locking up the frontend every time I try |
[23:42:22] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: there would actually have to be theme groups for sphery to actually be doing something with them ;) |
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[23:48:36] | RagingMind: | skd5aner, ivtv tuner? |
[23:48:45] | skd5aner: | yup |
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