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Tuesday, January 29th, 2013, 00:02 UTC
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[01:22:19] mark2013: System Status / Machine Status / System: Total Disk Space: 14 GB, 13 GB used, 1.7 GB (or 12%) free. Previously I had configged Video Storage Group Directory to /media/TV/recordings, where 150 gig is free what is not in sync (with apologies to Timberlake)
[01:22:43] wagnerrp: is /media/TV/recordings mounted?
[01:23:10] mark2013: it is mounted
[01:23:27] wagnerrp: and you can see the files in it?
[01:23:38] wagnerrp: and the user running mythbackend can see the files in it?
[01:25:05] mark2013: I'm so new to Myth that I would have no understanding of "can see files in it" – It's an external USB drive. It has recordings from previous PVR on it. But as yet, Myth has no recorded a show. Myth is set to record in 6 minutes "Family Guy" as a test
[01:25:31] wagnerrp: what filesystem is this external USB drive?
[01:25:48] wagnerrp: i'm guessing NTFS, or some blend of FAT?
[01:25:58] mark2013: just a sec
[01:26:37] mark2013: HPFS/NTFS
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[01:27:02] wagnerrp: yes, problem...
[01:27:10] mark2013: mounted at /media/TV
[01:27:16] wagnerrp: Linux doesn't do NTFS
[01:27:28] mark2013: ooooooohhhhhhhh
[01:27:29] wagnerrp: it _can_ use them, but it doesn't handle the file permissions
[01:27:51] mark2013: I have made disk 777 for mythtv:mythtv
[01:28:05] wagnerrp: instead, it typically sets the filesystem as read/write capable for one user, and denies access to everyone else
[01:28:15] wagnerrp: this is something set at the time of mounting
[01:28:32] wagnerrp: any permissions you configure using chown/chmod do nothing
[01:28:56] mark2013: OK, thank you, this is most confusing to novice
[01:29:06] mark2013: I must cancel recording brb
[01:29:29] wagnerrp: usually when you have these things automounted by your desktop environment, it gives access to only the first user logged into the DE
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[01:30:41] mark2013: OK, I am going to reformat external usb drive to ext2. Will that then work without setting permissions?
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[01:30:57] wagnerrp: you don't want to use ext2
[01:31:02] wagnerrp: use ext4 at minimum
[01:31:13] wagnerrp: and you probably want to copy the content off of it before formatting
[01:31:35] mark2013: Yest, thanks, that's also my DejaDup backup of my /home
[01:32:03] wagnerrp: ext2 should really never be used
[01:32:10] mark2013: I have about 200 gig free space on /sda5 is there a way to put mythTV recordings there
[01:32:22] wagnerrp: the only use for it is read-only boot partitions
[01:32:38] mark2013: Maybe i'm thinking of ext3
[01:32:39] wagnerrp: ext3 is fine-ish... but has poor delete performance for large files
[01:33:02] wagnerrp: the several GB recordings mythtv makes can take tens of seconds to delete, and lock of the system while doing so
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[01:33:26] mark2013: JTFS?
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[01:33:38] wagnerrp: there's a special "slow deletes" mechanism in mythtv intended to handle this deficiency
[01:33:47] wagnerrp: where it slowly truncates the file a couple MB at a time
[01:33:49] mark2013: I have it as: CHECKED
[01:33:51] wagnerrp: rather than delete it all at once
[01:34:09] wagnerrp: ext4, xfs, jfs... all should work fine for recordings
[01:34:46] wagnerrp: however, i'm not aware if any of those filesystems have any windows support
[01:34:47] mark2013: OK, so how can I put recordings on /sda5 which is my /home for now?
[01:35:00] mark2013: I no longer use windows
[01:35:19] wagnerrp: you had the other disk mounted at /media/TV?
[01:35:20] mark2013: I'm doing the switchover this comining week or two
[01:35:36] mark2013: technically /media/TV/recordings
[01:35:45] wagnerrp: yeah, you don't want to do that
[01:36:07] wagnerrp: when you unmount the disk, /media/TV/recordings will still exist, so mythtv will try to record to it
[01:36:15] wagnerrp: and you don't want mythtv recording to your root filesystem
[01:36:30] mark2013: It's not set to / (root)
[01:36:39] mark2013: as far as I can understand
[01:36:42] wagnerrp: always record to at least one subdirectory beneath the root of a mount
[01:37:15] mark2013: it is /media/TV/recordings – recordings is the folder under TV which folder is under /media
[01:37:33] wagnerrp: and they're all on the root mount?
[01:37:44] wagnerrp: as opposed to '/home', which is the root of a separate filesystem
[01:38:10] mark2013: Sorry, I'm not tech versed to answer/respond (intelligently)
[01:38:21] wagnerrp: basically... i'm saying you should record directly to /home (sda5:/), but should record to something like /home/recordings (sda5:/recordings)
[01:38:35] mark2013: OK
[01:38:42] wagnerrp: and then / is probably sda2:/ or something
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[01:39:09] wagnerrp: and /media/TV/recordings is either sda2:/media/TV/recordings, or sdb1:/, depending on whether that external disk is mounted
[01:39:13] mark2013: no, sadly I have /sda1 as win-reserve and /sda2 as c:
[01:39:55] wagnerrp: it would be better if the disk were mounted to /media/TV, with recordings being a directory on the disk... so when the disk was not mounted, /media/TV/recordings simply did not exist for mythtv to record to
[01:40:20] mark2013: I will make directory as follows /home/mark/TV
[01:40:37] mark2013: it will be part of /sda5
[01:40:45] wagnerrp: which is mounted to /home?
[01:40:52] mark2013: yes
[01:40:56] wagnerrp: but do you understand what i'm getting at?
[01:41:27] wagnerrp: you can give MythTV multiple storage paths, and it will automatically balance recordings between them
[01:41:33] mark2013: Maybe not. You suggest folder for MythTV recordings under root by at least 2 directores
[01:41:50] wagnerrp: if for whatever reason, one of those paths is missing, MythTV will record to whatever paths are still remaining
[01:42:14] mark2013: So that is in Video Storage Group Directories config?
[01:42:15] wagnerrp: i'm saying if you're recording to the root of a mount, and that mount is not mounted, MythTV will still see it and still try to record to it
[01:42:22] wagnerrp: which is often not something you want it to be doing
[01:42:36] mark2013: I'm not trying to do that
[01:42:55] mark2013: I will not be using external usb drive. Period.
[01:43:10] mark2013: I will reconfig Myth for recordings on /sda
[01:43:15] wagnerrp: ok, you're going to remove the existing recording path entirely
[01:43:25] mark2013: yes
[01:47:15] mark2013: I have set Storage Groups in Default as /home/mark/myth-tv and LiveTV as /home/mark/myth-tv
[01:49:47] wagnerrp: if you don't define anything for LiveTV, it automatically drops through to whatever is in Default
[01:51:13] mark2013: OK, now Delete Recordings page shows 31% used, 199.77 GB free
[01:53:03] mark2013: It looks like I'm good to go. And configging Ubuntu from Myth Audio as ALSA to Pulse is allowing volume/mute control
[01:53:24] mark2013: from ALSA to Pulse
[01:53:57] wagnerrp: you know, Pulse is just an extra layer stacked on top of ALSA
[01:54:36] mark2013: Due to volume control bug in XFCE/Ubuntu I lost total OS over the weekend. It's just back up today
[01:55:26] tgm4883: A volume control bug caused a complete OS reinstall?
[01:55:30] tgm4883: that seems unlikely
[01:56:27] mark2013: I cannot be 100%, but after adding MythTV and fiddling with vol. control. OS blew up. If you want I will post URL to UbuntuForums here at IRC?
[01:57:21] mark2013: Opppsss, thanks Mr. wagnerrp & tgm, I gotta go make dinner
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[04:37:40] Oleg_: hello, is there anyone available?
[04:38:52] Korny2: Never hurts to ask
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[06:30:21] wagnerrp: oof... "gmake install" works better when you're typing into the terminal with root rights
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[06:35:42] Oleg_: wagnerrp, I noticed one thing. mythfrontend doesn't crash if I use the up and down arrows for switching channels, instead of directly typing the number of a channel
[06:35:49] Oleg_: isn't it weird?
[06:37:03] wagnerrp: probably has something to do with tuning or not tuning to a channel on an active multiplex
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[06:38:37] foo8ar: hi all, i'm trying to move recordings to a new server. what tables do i need to export apart from the obvious recorded to "see" my recordings in my new setting?
[06:38:46] wagnerrp: all of them
[06:38:55] wagnerrp: dump the whole thing, import it on the new server
[06:39:08] foo8ar: google have shown me some variants, but they tend to break my current setup
[06:39:50] wagnerrp: did it show this one? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore
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[06:43:21] Korny2: wagnerrp, are there any thoughts fo making a place shift client? For remote access to mythtv that autonegotiates the bandwidth and encoding bit rates. I miss that from Sagetv
[06:43:43] wagnerrp: first step is removing direct access to the database
[06:43:47] wagnerrp: that's still a ways off
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[06:44:19] wagnerrp: 3rd party clients can use the Services API and HLS servers
[06:44:29] wagnerrp: there's already a couple available that do exactly that
[06:44:38] Korny2: For PC's?
[06:44:58] Korny2: I know some android ones are working on it
[06:45:07] wagnerrp: not for PCs, just mobile devices
[06:45:42] Korny2: Right now I'm using emit to do it at the moment, it works ok
[06:46:28] foo8ar_: i have new hardware and new cards, so I really are interested in the recordings.
[06:47:01] Korny2: I know you can access the server status port and stream that way
[06:52:37] wagnerrp: foo8ar_: so what's the harm in carrying the whole database over?
[06:53:51] bas-t: foo8ar: and afterwards go to mythtv-setup, delete all of the cards and install the new ones
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[08:48:06] oobe: did you know that aardvarks are the only animal that are in the very first page of the dictionary
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[12:02:08] lapion: oobe, depends on what language the dictionary if for..
[12:03:05] oobe: good point
[12:03:10] oobe: aarvarkian
[12:03:20] oobe: aardvarkian
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[13:13:26] oobe: lapion, I am trying to find out how many animals are on the first page of the dutch dictionary right now :)
[13:13:57] oobe: good on you for being so forward and ready to stand for your nation
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[14:27:16] tmkt: Any better view of UpNP recordings? Would be nice if they were grouped by show
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[14:34:56] wagnerrp: what's this? the full version of More Human Than Human on the radio? i've not heard that since the whole "wardrobe malfunction" debacle...
[14:35:34] tmkt: Just when I connect to my Myth server from my boxee box
[14:35:37] tmkt: and go to Recordings
[14:35:47] tmkt: i have like 200 lines of kids shows
[14:35:58] tmkt: every episode listed
[14:36:19] tmkt: would be nice if all the curious georges were in a folder call curious george and all the episodes within that
[14:36:22] wagnerrp: i recall recordings being grouped by date
[14:36:48] wagnerrp: not flat listed
[14:37:07] tmkt: Yeah..Haven't seen that
[14:37:20] tmkt: that would be easier to weed through also
[14:37:47] tmkt: so right now I've just separated Kids and Adult into different recording groups
[14:37:57] tmkt: which helps me get to The Office, or whatever quicker
[14:38:09] tmkt: but still for the kids to find what they want they have to scrool through hundreds of episodes
[14:38:37] wagnerrp: ill go check...
[14:42:11] wagnerrp: can't check, tv doesn't want to pick up the backend
[14:42:19] wagnerrp: probably a result of all those socket errors in the logs
[14:43:46] tmkt: I'll try all 5 different Boxee options tonight
[14:44:05] tmkt: I tried by Date/Title and All Recordings
[14:44:15] tmkt: but date and title, both asked me to select a Title and a date
[14:44:24] tmkt: so it would only scan that date or that title
[14:44:45] tmkt: so I would have to add a new File source each time i added a new recording schedule which would be a pita
[14:45:24] wagnerrp: i have no idea what any of that means
[14:46:02] tmkt: Just that when you add File sources.. you can select AFP/SMB/UPNP
[14:47:17] tmkt: if you select UPNP you get the nice data from Myth, and gives you the option to add All recordings, recordings by date, recordings by title or recordings by group
[14:47:40] tmkt: So all recordings will show all recordings(which is the mess i have now)
[14:47:56] tmkt: By Group allows me to do by Recording Group so Kids/Adult
[14:48:28] tmkt: By Date, it goes into the list and shows me a list of dates and I can select one of those dates to be added to Boxee, but then its only that date
[14:48:31] wagnerrp: oh, so it sounds like boxee is taking the default file structure offered by mythtv, and resorting on its own based off the available metadata?
[14:48:48] wagnerrp: windows media player does the same thing
[14:49:12] tmkt: Yeah
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[14:49:38] wagnerrp: if that's the case, then there's nothing mythtv can do about it
[14:49:39] tmkt: Going to try something tonight...Maybe I just went too far down the tree...perhaps I should just take by title or date and stop there.
[14:49:46] tmkt: Can't reemember if that was possible or not
[14:49:58] wagnerrp: since mythtv is no longer providing the structure
[14:50:02] wagnerrp: just the flat data
[14:50:34] tmkt: Boxee does some weird stuff anyhow
[14:50:43] tmkt: like it doesn't officially support my hdhomerun
[14:51:25] tmkt: but on my mythbox, i create some playlist files for each channel on the hdhomerun and it works
[14:51:27] tmkt: ugly
[14:51:52] tmkt: would rather have a MythFE box up there..just need to find a nice tiny piece of hardware for 100$
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[15:19:59] tmkt: is myth on a mac mini a hassle?
[15:20:05] tmkt: friend at work has a mac mini he wants to put it on
[15:20:15] wagnerrp: depends on the version
[15:20:21] wagnerrp: current ones use AMD graphics
[15:20:32] tmkt: older mac mini
[15:21:01] wagnerrp: how old? what generation?
[15:21:08] tmkt: one sec
[15:21:42] tmkt: may 2006
[15:21:57] wagnerrp: anything 2009–2010 should work fine
[15:21:59] tmkt: 1Mb of ram..i'm guess he shouldn't waste his time
[15:22:11] wagnerrp: 1GB?
[15:22:27] tmkt: he must mean 1gb
[15:22:35] wagnerrp: my calculator has more than 1mb of ram
[15:22:39] tmkt: yeah
[15:22:40] wagnerrp: GB, not gb
[15:22:41] tmkt: i think it was a typo
[15:23:29] wagnerrp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Mini#Specifications_2
[15:23:40] wagnerrp: if it's at least that 9400M unit, it's doable
[15:23:48] tmkt: i think he should probably just go pick up a barebones pc and do it
[15:23:51] wagnerrp: if it's a GMA950 unit, don't bother
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[18:44:53] foo8ar: is it possible to move from 0.24 to 0.26 via export and import database (on different hosts)?
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[19:21:39] wizbit: anybody here use mpd?
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[19:29:56] foo8ar: :(
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[19:30:01] foo8ar: (PromptForUpgrade) Console is non-interactive, can't prompt user...
[19:36:48] foo8ar: and then doing a new restore and starting in interactive mode: "Not allowed to upgrade the database."
[19:37:08] foo8ar: any hints would be appreciated greatly
[19:42:06] sphery: foo8ar: Yes, 0.26 can upgrade a 0.24 database
[19:42:30] sphery: foo8ar: "Console is non-interactive, can't prompt user" only happens when you try to use mythbackend to upgrade the database--which is never recommended
[19:42:42] sphery: the proper approach is to run mythtv-setup on any host to upgrade the database
[19:43:04] sphery: note, too, that only the master mythbackend has permission to upgrade the database (thus the "
[19:43:13] sphery: Not allowed to upgrade the database.")
[19:43:32] sphery: which means that your config.xml isn't proper for 0.26--something else that mythtv-setup will fix for you
[19:43:40] foo8ar: ok, i'll try the setup
[19:43:43] foo8ar: thx
[19:43:52] sphery: I'd recommend re-doing the restore
[19:44:04] sphery: of the pre-upgrade-attempt 0.24 database
[19:44:12] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database
[19:44:28] sphery: that way, you'll know that none of your false steps had any detrimental impact on the DB/data
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[19:50:23] foo8ar: :)
[19:50:42] foo8ar: things are looking better and better
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[20:05:20] foo8ar: thanks @sphery it looks like a working system now (more or less)
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[20:05:52] foo8ar: i need to add the new cards and rescan to verify
[20:07:35] foo8ar: the listing on mythweb lacks the png:s, maybe remove them from the recordings directory and the system will regenerate them?
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[20:30:44] foo8ar: system status show only the old cards. i've tried to remove them from mythconverg.capturecard and mythconverg.cardinput but still system status shows the old cards on the old host not connected :(
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[20:55:19] sphery: foo8ar: did you change the host names?
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[20:55:24] sphery: if so, you have to clean up the hard way, now
[20:55:36] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Backend_migration# . . . _old_backend
[20:56:07] sphery: foo8ar: alternatively, re-restore the pre-upgrade backup, then either set the LocalHostName override in config.xml or just use the same host name as the previous host
[20:56:14] foo8ar: yes it's a new host name
[20:56:33] sphery: foo8ar: Also, you /must/ do the "Delete all capture cards" (not "Delete all capture cards on <hostname>"). as describe
[20:56:36] sphery: described
[20:56:51] sphery: why did you do a new host name? it's /much/ easier to keep it the same
[20:57:01] foo8ar: mm i'll guess i need to do the restore over again
[20:57:10] sphery: if you can, I highly recommend the easy out--re-restore and use the same name
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[20:57:29] sphery: (actually it's a "profile" name, but the default value for the profile name is the host name)
[20:57:58] foo8ar: anyway thanks a lot
[20:58:12] sphery: good luck
[20:58:22] foo8ar: do you by any chance have an idea about the thumbnails?
[20:59:04] foo8ar: on earlier versions you could se the backend recreating new ones if it couldn't find a suitable one
[21:00:01] sphery: that's caused by your changing hostnames
[21:00:27] sphery: i.e. the whole "if [you changed the host name] you have to clean up the hard way, now"
[21:00:33] foo8ar: ok
[21:01:01] sphery: so changing it back (or using the override)--and re-restoring the pre-upgrade backup--will fix it
[21:01:11] foo8ar: looking in the database most references actually refers to the recording backend rather then the master backend
[21:01:21] sphery: basically mythweb is unable to contact the host that owns the entries
[21:01:22] foo8ar: in terms of hostname
[21:01:29] sphery: right
[21:01:29] foo8ar: ok, i see
[21:01:35] sphery: you can't change hostname unless you do it right
[21:01:45] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend
[21:01:57] foo8ar: thx
[21:02:02] sphery: if you don't do that, you make a huge mess that you have to clean up as described on the Retiring_an_old_backend entry
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[21:21:09] justinh: ARGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH EMAIL SUCKS
[21:21:25] justinh: I'm this '' close to paying for a control panel now
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[21:50:05] wagnerrp: sphery: have you done much with the UI code?
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[22:19:40] sphery: wagnerrp: no, not really--avoided it as much as possible
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[23:26:22] wagnerrp: ok, i wasn't sure, since you seemed to be doing a bit with the theme groups
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[23:41:35] skd5aner: damnit, live tv wants to start on my analog tuners again so now I'm constantly locking up the frontend every time I try
[23:42:22] skd5aner: wagnerrp: there would actually have to be theme groups for sphery to actually be doing something with them ;)
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[23:48:36] RagingMind: skd5aner, ivtv tuner?
[23:48:45] skd5aner: yup
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