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[01:26:15] mark2013: On exiting backend error states: "Unable to write //.test – I believe this is a permissions problem, but I cannot find the directory where this file is to go. Is this a HDHomeRun specific problem?
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[01:30:05] clever: mark2013: i believe thats the storage group configuration
[01:30:12] clever: mark2013: it sounds like you made a storagegroup at /
[01:30:53] mark2013: I have an external USB hard drive "/media/TV/recordings" should I not?
[01:31:14] clever: as long as you have permision, it should work
[01:31:24] clever: but the error message implies you added / as a storage group
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[01:32:49] clever: mark2013: just check your storage group setup again, to make sure the path is set right
[01:33:18] mark2013: OK, thank you
[01:47:29] mark2013: On backend exit error says: Card 7 (type MPEG2TS) is set to start on channel Please add, which does not exist
[01:49:51] Seeker`: mark2013: set up a starting channel in the card -> source mapping
[01:50:17] Seeker`: at the moment it will say something like "Please add channels" in the option box.
[01:50:18] mark2013: I'll try BRB
[01:50:36] mark2013: Ohh! and that's in backend, right?
[01:50:40] Seeker`: mythtv-setup
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[02:00:34] mark2013: backend reports "unable to find channels" – I use local "EIT"? program guide – does it matter?
[02:01:18] Seeker`: i'm not sure, sorry. Its 2am here so I'm not exactly awake
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[02:02:29] mark2013: thanks, Seeker, another time
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[02:33:46] tgm4883: Trying to add a recording schedule via the services api on 0.26, but every time I try to add one it ends up as a Type 8 (do not record). Looking at the record table, it has all of the same info as other schedules made via mythweb (except next/last record time). Ideas?
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[03:02:30] Phiro: Is there a guideline on what metadata/etc that mythtv needs to identify and pull down art/etc for videos you copy into the videos share?
[03:03:44] wagnerrp: for movies, just the title
[03:03:53] wagnerrp: for television, title and subtitle
[03:04:03] wagnerrp: however title, season number, and episode number are preferable
[03:04:24] wagnerrp: those need to match against the names on themoviedb.org and thetvdb.com
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[04:32:17] Phiro: thanks
[04:32:20] Phiro: Thanks wagnerrp
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[04:48:39] FLeiXiuS`: wagnerrp, how stable has you're iscsi setup been? Any disconnects between the target / initiator? Resulting in a required reboot.
[04:51:20] wagnerrp: since i'm running iscsi root, my iscsi initiator was never actually terminating cleanly during shutdown
[04:51:40] wagnerrp: when i previously used iscsi-target, it didn't like this, and would segfault after a couple client restarts
[04:51:48] wagnerrp: istgt doesn't seem to have this problem
[04:51:57] wagnerrp: haven't seen any issues since switching
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[04:54:52] FLeiXiuS`: Ok I was running into that same problem during suspends.
[04:55:38] FLeiXiuS`: At least I'm finally out of stale nfs file handlers....silly nfs.
[04:55:44] Korny: Anyone else having mythcomflagg segfaults occassionally?
[04:56:20] Korny: I get it maybe once every 20 recordings
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[04:57:25] [R]: so file a bug report
[04:58:06] ertyu_: I also get those
[04:58:54] ertyu_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/846417
[05:02:09] Korny: That would be it
[05:02:48] [R]: not much is gonna happen with a bug sitting outside the mythtv bug tracker
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[05:39:42] Bray90820: why does mythtv never stop recording
[05:40:15] Bray90820: mythtv started a scedualed recordng but never stopped it and nothing is in my recording folder
[05:40:56] wagnerrp: the reasons for those two issues are likely one in the same
[05:41:04] wagnerrp: something faulted, which should show up in your logs
[05:41:09] Bray90820: they are the same issue
[05:41:12] Bray90820: just restated
[05:41:16] wagnerrp: and as a result, the trigger to stop the recording never occurred
[05:41:37] wagnerrp: so the "recording never ending" is just a side effect of the recording failing
[05:42:09] Bray90820: should i pastebin my logs in here
[05:42:58] Bray90820: so you can have a look
[05:44:11] wagnerrp: sure
[05:48:34] Bray90820: i appologize about the size
[05:48:36] Bray90820: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9TMK7gzh
[05:48:58] Bray90820: for some reason mythtv stopped logging the backend in a sepret file
[05:49:06] Bray90820: the last backend log i have is from january 11
[05:50:25] wagnerrp: TFW(/var/lib/mythtv/livetv/1777_20130121175350.mpg:82): write(376) cnt 706 total 40796376 — took a long time, 24746 ms
[05:50:30] wagnerrp: that's troubling...
[05:51:03] Bray90820: hum
[05:51:10] Bray90820: what should be dobe to fix it
[05:51:23] Bray90820: because as of today only 1 recording has ever finished correctly
[05:51:41] wagnerrp: and this stuff around 17:54:24
[05:51:51] wagnerrp: is this a regular HDHR or a prime?
[05:52:07] Bray90820: prime
[05:52:10] Bray90820: with a cable card
[05:52:34] Bray90820: 3 tuner one
[05:52:36] Bray90820: not 6
[05:52:52] wagnerrp: and XBMC being stupid... "MainServer::HandleVersion – Client speaks protocol version 8 but we speak 72!"
[05:52:54] Bray90820: which means only 1 cable card is in it insted of 2
[05:53:05] Bray90820: i have no idea
[05:53:08] wagnerrp: and not sure what this is... "MainServer::HandleVersion – Client speaks protocol version 75 but we speak 72!"
[05:53:15] wagnerrp: actually, they're all 3-tuner versions
[05:53:21] Bray90820: no
[05:53:30] Bray90820: there is a version of the prime with 6
[05:53:32] wagnerrp: the 6-tuner version is just a pair of 3-tuner versions in a box with an AC/DC power supply
[05:53:51] wagnerrp: two cablecard slots, two ethernet ports... two everything but DC power inputs
[05:54:34] Bray90820: so if i were to buy one i would have to set it up twice
[05:54:40] wagnerrp: yep
[05:54:51] Bray90820: thats really good to know
[05:54:51] wagnerrp: anyway, are you sure the cablecard is actually configured?
[05:55:02] wagnerrp: looking at this, it looks like the HDHR is operating in clearqam mode
[05:55:35] wagnerrp: did you scan channels or download a lineup?
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[05:56:08] Bray90820: downloaded the lineup
[05:56:15] Bray90820: but the odd thing is 1 recording finished
[05:56:32] Bray90820: downloadied it from schedules direct
[05:57:56] wagnerrp: now wait a minute... you've got logs in here from both 0.25 and 0.26?
[05:58:10] Bray90820: yes
[05:58:19] wagnerrp: now that i think about it, that makes sense
[05:58:40] wagnerrp: that would explain the warning about something trying to communicate with protocol version 75
[05:58:58] Bray90820: well i was on 0.26 for a wile but then i downgraded to 0.25 because of some playback errors
[05:59:01] Bray90820: of live tb
[05:59:02] Bray90820: tv
[06:02:50] wagnerrp: have you tried to use the HDHR outside of mythtv?
[06:03:44] Bray90820: yes i have
[06:03:46] Bray90820: and it works fine
[06:04:27] Bray90820: i tried on my android device with HomeRunTV and on my desktop with VLC
[06:04:40] Bray90820: it plays back just fine
[06:04:47] Bray90820: but idk about recording
[06:04:50] Bray90820: never tested it
[06:04:56] Bray90820: or have the means to test it
[06:07:32] Bray90820: oh and i also tried it in xbmc but that doesn't really count because that connects to the mythtv backend
[06:12:54] Bray90820: so what should i do
[06:13:46] wagnerrp: don't know, never used an HDHR
[06:13:50] wagnerrp: erm... HDHR Prime
[06:14:23] Bray90820: why would it be broadcasting in qam
[06:14:36] wagnerrp: all cable is qam
[06:14:47] wagnerrp: but i was concerned about the PAT warnings
[06:15:05] Bray90820: which is?
[06:15:08] wagnerrp: i figured a cablecard tuner would not produce a full TS stream
[06:15:36] Bray90820: what is ts
[06:15:41] Bray90820: TS
[06:15:46] wagnerrp: transport stream
[06:16:04] Bray90820: never herd of that
[06:16:36] wagnerrp: digital television comes in an mpeg data stream
[06:16:43] wagnerrp: and each stream contains several channels
[06:16:51] Bray90820: yes
[06:17:02] wagnerrp: the PAT (program allocation table or something) tells the demuxer what channels are where
[06:17:30] Bray90820: that's wat it shows on the HDHR config app
[06:17:39] Bray90820: liek 1 channel with a bunch of otehr channels in it
[06:19:30] Bray90820: and the playback buffers WAY to much on xbmc
[06:19:42] Bray90820: tmy frontend
[06:19:47] Bray90820: my frontend
[06:21:35] Bray90820: so no idea what i should do at all?
[06:23:20] Bray90820: or atleast anywhere i could get help
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[06:29:14] FLeiXiuS``: wagnerrp, Out of curiousity, why didnt you tftp over an initramfs during PXE? That may have saved the headache with the custom mount scripts
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[06:32:16] FLeiXiuS``: Arg, or using iPXE. Then you could pass your initiator names via DHCP. Either way the solution is working as intended. Thanks for the write up
[06:34:19] Bray90820: +wagnerrp i shoudl prob tell you that i when the recording ends mythtv disconnects from the hdhomerun
[06:34:33] Bray90820: the lights on the box say that no tuners are in use
[06:34:45] Bray90820: or suppose to end anyways
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[06:37:52] Bray90820: if you or anyone want's to talk to me just ping me
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[06:41:24] wagnerrp: FLeiXiuS`: not sure what you mean
[06:41:29] wagnerrp: i didn't use any custom mount scripts
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[09:04:07] FLeiXiuS``: wagnerrp, Did you not write the init script?
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[10:03:12] justinh: heh some folks should use a more up to date version of XBMC which actually reports itself to mythtv correctly. if such a thing exists
[10:03:26] justinh: I thought they were done guessing the protocol now
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[10:53:47] lionusb: idiots guide to backend connection to mac
[10:55:06] lionusb: hello,
[10:55:08] lionusb: Although not a newb to computers, I am finding it very confusing trying to set up mythtv on mac osx.
[10:55:09] lionusb: I intend on using the backend with xbmc (Frodo)
[10:55:11] lionusb: However, although I can get mysql up and running, with password allocated, no matter what I do I cannot get the backend to connect to the database?
[10:55:12] lionusb: Myth, xbmc are on the same computer, but I still get no connection using default settings, or any other attempted settings.
[10:55:14] lionusb: I am struggling to find a simple guide for this process, despite looking and following endless WIKI ''how-to's''.
[10:55:15] lionusb: To avoid any corruption from a previous attempt, I am installing to a fresh image/partition each time.
[10:55:17] lionusb: The image is 10.7 ( Lion).
[10:55:19] lionusb: Amazingly , it connected once , but then refused to see my hauppauge usb tuner at all ??
[10:55:20] lionusb: Is anyone patient out there willing to explain in very simple terms how to do this??
[10:55:22] lionusb: many thanks
[10:55:24] lionusb: pootler
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[13:18:33] justinh: lionusb: would a usb tuner even work with mythtv on osx? I wouldn't be too sure
[13:19:03] justinh: if it's not a network tuner device or RTSP stream I think mythtv relies on V4L drivers
[13:19:10] justinh: and there's no V4L on OSX
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[14:33:54] justinh: lionusb: I don't know how up to date this is, but...
[14:34:03] justinh: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Mac_OS_X#Limited_Tuners
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[15:19:41] Korny: Anyone good with mythtv and apache?
[15:19:57] Korny: I should say mythweb and apache sorry
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[15:21:12] Korny: if I goto 192.168.0.1/mythweb its blank, if I goto 192.168.0.1/mythweb/mythweb.php it loads the first page but none of the other pages work. Any suggestions how to fix this?
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[15:27:50] justinh: no redirect module loaded?
[15:28:27] justinh: the page it should get you when you go to 192.168.0.1/mythweb is index.php
[15:29:58] justinh: you may also need the DIR module loaded
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[15:30:27] justinh: that's mod_dir
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[16:31:11] lionusb: thanks for the help justin- think i'll go mythbuntu instead of mac!!
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[16:50:02] wagnerrp: sphery: because users must find new and screwball ways to configure mythtv
[16:52:12] Oleg_: what exciting features are planned for mythtv-0.27?
[16:54:08] runelind: is mythbackend supposed to run as root?
[16:54:46] runelind: this is on a FreeBSD 9.1 system with 0.26 built from ports.
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[16:55:55] sphery: wagnerrp: hehe, yeah, I should have known
[16:56:17] sphery: at least it's a VM, so he can run multiple programs on his master backend
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[17:15:27] Igramul: Is there some experience on running mythtv-backend in a virtual machine on an ESXi host?
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[17:17:17] wagnerrp: HAH
[17:17:38] wagnerrp: runelind: mythtv runs as whatever user you tell it to run as
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[18:06:20] jarle: Something is really wrong with my mythtv setup at the moment. What can make mythcommflag use 13 hours(!) to finish??? http://pastebin.com/iZKk9ZS5
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[18:15:28] tonsofpcs: jarle: nice and a lot of other processes?
[18:16:29] jarle: tonsofpcs: yes, mythlogserver has been killing me lately with a lot of processes running at 100 CPU...
[18:17:13] mark2013: White HD Homerun box. Power light on, 1 tuner LED always on. mythtv-setup cannot populate channel list. I have OTA antenna, hdhr set for us-brcst and antenna. I have screenshots of some -setup exiting MythTV gui. Don't know how to post them. Any help appreciated.
[18:17:51] wagnerrp: list the specific settings you are using to scan in mythtv-setup
[18:18:15] mark2013: BRB
[18:35:46] mark2013: Scan Config page: Vid Source: Antenna; Input: [HDHOMERUN : 101A799A-0](MPEG2TS); Desired Services: TV check unencrypted only; Scan Type: FULL SCAN; Frequency Table: Broadcast; Modulation: Terrestrial (8-VSB); Scanning Range: ATSC Channel 2 – ATSC Channel 69 and on page named: Connect Source to Input — Capture Device [HDHomeRun 101A799A]; Input: MPEG2TS; Display Name: Tuner-0; Video Source: Antenna; Use Quick tuning: N
[18:35:47] mark2013: ever; Scan For Channels (available); Starting Channel: Please add channels to this source; Page Capture Card Setup: Card Type: HDHomeRun DTV tuner box; Device ID: 101A799A-0; Description: hdhomerun_atsc, firmware: 20130117; IP Address: 169.254.64.112, Tuner 0; Recording Options set as defaulted by mythtv-setup
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[19:04:42] mark2013: Wagnerrp – was there another page of settings needed?
[19:05:10] wagnerrp: didn't notice you had replied
[19:05:38] tonsofpcs: jarle: watch top?
[19:06:02] wagnerrp: full scan, 8-vsb, looks fine to me
[19:06:09] wagnerrp: you ran the scan and it picked up channels?
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[19:15:48] mark2013: No, this is the scan I run after deleting and re-making Capture Card. I'm here as I've done this 10 or so times to no avail. Once SCAN starts, no channel lock on any.
[19:16:13] wagnerrp: this is the standard 2-tuner HDHomeRUn?
[19:16:31] mark2013: Older model, whitish-tan color, dual ATSC
[19:16:58] mark2013: separate f-59's on back
[19:16:59] wagnerrp: so two RF jacks on the back?
[19:17:04] mark2013: yes
[19:17:11] wagnerrp: you've got a splitter and a line run to both?
[19:17:15] mark2013: yes
[19:17:17] wagnerrp: each jack goes to one tuner
[19:17:26] mark2013: that's my understanding
[19:17:34] wagnerrp: is it possible the signal is too weak? have you tried scanning with the hdhomerun_config tool?
[19:18:34] mark2013: tool gets tv/sound on all OTA stations, my locale, tool does this on Tuner-1 (not Tuner-0), go figure. VLC comes up and regular tv/sound appears
[19:19:17] wagnerrp: try scanning on tuner1, maybe there is something physically wrong with tuner0
[19:19:19] mark2013: also, antenna on roof runs through broadband pre-amp and regularly produces 95–98% signal strength
[19:19:21] wagnerrp: or maybe the splitter or cable is bad
[19:20:08] mark2013: I could switch rg-6 into box, but how is it that not one tuner can lock channels?
[19:20:36] wagnerrp: because that's an old unit you presumably bought used, and it's possible one of the tuners is physically broken
[19:20:58] mark2013: still, why no lock on working tuner?
[19:21:11] wagnerrp: you said you've only been testing tuner0 in mythtv
[19:21:19] wagnerrp: have you tried scanning with tuner1?
[19:21:49] mark2013: No, that's the one I have setup for this test run. Before, both tuners configged as you see this IRC today
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[19:23:13] mark2013: I usually have tried to run SCAN with both tuners configged: us-broadcast, antenna, 8-VSB, etc. As I said top of today's IRC chats.
[19:23:43] wagnerrp: with those settings, i don't know why it wouldn't work
[19:23:55] wagnerrp: i've got a white box HDHR and have not had any trouble with it
[19:25:51] mark2013: OK, I give up. Anybody want to trade a hdhr for a AverMedia MythDuet dual atsc PCI-E internal card?
[19:26:13] wagnerrp: could i see the logging output from mythtv-setup?
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[19:26:46] mark2013: Please explain how to obtain .log & I will paste.bin
[19:27:06] wagnerrp: when you run mythtv-setup with no command line parameters, it logs to the local terminal
[19:27:12] wagnerrp: or you can provide --syslog or --logpath
[19:27:19] mark2013: BRB
[19:27:21] wagnerrp: or just use ">" to redirect the terminal output to a file
[19:30:54] mark2013: Odd, commanding: mythtv-setup --syslor OR --logpath presents no log file to terminal screen. Term screen, white text black background flashes on screen 3–4 seconds. Is log file somewhere else?
[19:32:44] wagnerrp: sounds like you're not running mythtv-setup, but rather mythbuntu's wrapper scripts
[19:32:48] wagnerrp: try mythtv-setup.real
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[19:35:23] mark2013: I hope this is what you are looking for: http://pastebin.com/PwA6ecRu
[19:38:11] wagnerrp: i mean the log output when you perform a scan
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[19:46:38] mark2013: http://pastebin.com/wvBXe82A
[19:47:57] mark2013: I use EIT for EPG-info
[19:48:20] wagnerrp: EIT does not factor in until you run mythbackend
[19:52:24] jarle: Is there any way I can turn off all commflagging on my system (just for now), without changing all my recording rules?
[19:53:02] wagnerrp: disable it in the jobqueue for all systems
[19:53:11] wagnerrp: it will still get queued, but nothing will be able to run it
[19:54:32] jarle: wagnerrp: how do I do that?
[19:54:50] wagnerrp: go into mythtv-setup on each backend, should be one of the later pages in General
[19:55:04] jarle: wagnerrp: ok, thanks
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[20:02:50] mark2013: Even 'tho I "inserted", MythTV fronted can not show channels. "Watch" shows countdown clock 1 second and returns to main menu
[20:03:12] wagnerrp: it tries to start, but then fails when it has no channels to tune to
[20:03:39] wagnerrp: on a stock installation of mythtv, the backend would have simply refused to run outright
[20:03:57] wagnerrp: mythbuntu patches that check out and allows the backend to run in an unconfigured state
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[20:06:43] mark2013: So I run from the command line ONLY?
[20:06:53] wagnerrp: huh?
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[20:08:10] mark2013: So sorry, I'm confused, you typed: it tries to start, but then fails when it has no channels to tune to on a stock installation of mythtv, the backend would have simply refused to run outright mythbuntu patches that check out and allows the backend to run in an unconfigured state and I asked: to avoid 'buntu wrapper run from command line ONLY?
[20:09:27] wagnerrp: i'm saying since you have not successfully scanned, and thus have no channels, a stock mythbackend would have immediately terminated itself, since that is not a usable configuration
[20:09:49] wagnerrp: it wouldn't have even let you attempt livetv, since the frontend would just keep complaining about being unable to connect to the backend
[20:10:18] wagnerrp: has nothing to do with the wrapper scripts, but because mythbuntu modified the actual code
[20:10:35] mark2013: It does say that sometimes. "Unable to connect."
[20:10:57] mark2013: Sometimes when running command line: mythtv-setup
[20:14:14] mark2013: OK, one rg-6 fell off of splitter. That's fixed. Sorry.
[20:15:39] wagnerrp: fell off? bad crimp and it pulled out of the connector?
[20:16:11] mark2013: press on type, moved off plug by curtain, again, sorry
[20:16:28] mark2013: tooooooo many usb ports, etc. this 'puter
[20:17:04] wagnerrp: press on? you mean compression fitting?
[20:17:16] mark2013: Technical note: this isn't mythbuntu only mythtv front & back ends supplied from Ub Soft Center and HDHomeRun_Config_gui. that's all myth sotware on this 'puter.
[20:17:38] wagnerrp: if you're using the official ubuntu packages, you're using mythbuntu
[20:17:56] mark2013: No, not compression, it's a type that stays snug but isn't threaded
[20:18:16] wagnerrp: seems dangerous and unreliable
[20:18:40] mark2013: You cannot see the back of my computer where all the cables are
[20:18:53] mark2013: I'm a national un-safe disaster there.
[20:19:13] mark2013: OK HDHomeRun Config gui NOW shows channels, BOTH TUNERS.
[20:19:35] mark2013: I'm gonna run -setup and see if I can fix this mess BRB
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[20:32:25] mark2013: OK, life lesson #23372344 and 1/2 – rg-6 fell off. That imbalanced the 2 way splitter. The signal was lost to the "first" tuner. I'm unsure if that is zero or one, but due to splitter not being terminated with 75 ohm resistor, signal non-compis-mentis. On re-scan with both cables, 140 channels "possibly" found. Don't understand "possibly" but will "watch" tv now and BRB
[20:32:25] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/23372344 **
[20:33:31] wagnerrp: that is the total stream count, many of which may not currently be in use or used for channels
[20:34:46] mark2013: Got that, but I do see about 120 channels regularly. Most are populated
[20:34:54] wagnerrp: over broadcast?
[20:34:59] mark2013: Sadly "Watch" shows no tv
[20:35:14] wagnerrp: check your backend logs
[20:35:18] wagnerrp: could be a file permission issue
[20:35:18] mark2013: Yes, here in Los Angeles, there are approx 120 channels to watch.
[20:35:28] wagnerrp: could be you never actually set the default channel to use after the scan
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[20:45:59] mark2013: Re-running SCAN as mythtv-setup.real shows channels as possible or probable, and channel listings for recordings as available (but no show names or movie titles)
[20:46:18] mark2013: where do I see "backend logs"?
[20:46:46] wagnerrp: since you're not pulling guide data from the internet, you'll need to wait until mythbackend goes idle for the EIT scanner to start trawling for guide data
[20:46:58] wagnerrp: don't expect more than about 12 hours worth of data
[20:47:00] mark2013: thanks
[20:47:07] wagnerrp: and don't expect more than title and subtitle
[20:47:12] wagnerrp: if you even get that
[20:47:21] mark2013: good enough for me
[20:47:35] wagnerrp: good enough for live viewing, not good enough for scheduling purposes
[20:48:36] mark2013: I use TitanTV (dot com) for TV grid and would then set recording manually. I'm low tech somewhat
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[20:58:55] mark2013: Getting there. I'm paste.bin and then AFK for 120 minutes. Thank Waggy — http://pastebin.com/nnEuLDrk
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[21:22:46] sphery: wagnerrp: but if there's no marketing department to say, "X Watts Idle Power Usage," it's not real!
[21:23:59] wagnerrp: i'm guessing he actually measured that
[21:24:14] wagnerrp: however that sounds more like the full load consumption
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[21:34:18] tgm4883: sphery, not sure if you saw or responded to my earlier question, but do you know what is required for scheduling a program? I'm trying to add schedules via the service API, but it always adds it as type 8 (do not record), despite the record table having very similar data to other working schedules
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[21:36:14] Bray90820: can someone tell me why when my recordings never stop
[21:37:13] tgm4883: Bray90820, I read backlog last night and was under the impression that wagnerrp already told you why that could happen
[21:37:32] Bray90820: no
[21:37:36] wagnerrp: right, it _shouldn't_ happen, it's a bug in the code that it does happen
[21:37:46] wagnerrp: but it's not actually anything of concern
[21:37:48] Bray90820: he said he didn't know because he didn't have an HDhomerun
[21:38:03] wagnerrp: because the real problem is that the recordings never start in the first place
[21:38:23] Bray90820: eventho my backend ssys they started
[21:38:24] wagnerrp: and since i don't have a Prime or other cablecard tuner, i'm not sure what i'm looking at in those logs to know why it might not be
[21:39:43] Bray90820: so anyone else know
[21:40:29] tgm4883: I've got a prime
[21:40:59] Bray90820: and i also have a problem of my backend not keeping logs
[21:41:33] Bray90820: tgm4338 wanna look at my logs?
[21:42:23] Bray90820: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=FtdL5vWc
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[21:43:52] wizbit: my backend kept on producing lots of logs, i dealt with the problem by taking special constipation tablets
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[21:44:38] wagnerrp: lovely...
[21:44:49] runelind: if i set up a recording, and then the title of the recording changes in the guide, does the recording get cancelled?
[21:45:03] runelind: because that appears to be what happened to me.
[21:45:34] wagnerrp: yes, since it no longer matches the rule you made
[21:45:39] runelind: fair enough.
[21:45:53] wagnerrp: what is your data source?
[21:45:59] runelind: SD
[21:46:16] runelind: I think it changed from TBD to the actual name of the event.
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[21:46:27] Bray90820: i have only known the name to once in the history of television
[21:46:33] wagnerrp: ah, i could see that happening
[21:47:29] Bray90820: shit my dad says to $h*! my dad says
[21:48:02] wagnerrp: from two weeks out, it's not unheard of for special events to be labeled TBD
[21:48:08] runelind: is there a way to automatically record e.g. every NHL game? It is a non-regular event.
[21:48:20] runelind: it was labeled TBD up until yesterday, and it is on tonight :)
[21:48:27] runelind: but comcast's guide was the same.
[21:48:32] wagnerrp: create a power rule with a wildcard
[21:48:51] wagnerrp: record everything 'LIKE "%NHL%"'
[21:49:11] runelind: and that'll work across channels as well?
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[21:49:38] wagnerrp: with power rules, you're basically writing your own SQL queries to match shows
[21:49:50] runelind: cool.
[21:50:32] Korny: uggg I hate my connection today, wagnerrp you know much about apache and mythweb?
[21:50:41] wagnerrp: there is a bit of templating to attempt to make them easier to use, but it's as powerful and as complicated as you might expect
[21:50:53] runelind: nginx ftw :)
[21:50:57] wagnerrp: i know some
[21:51:01] wagnerrp: what's the problem?
[21:51:11] Korny: Well I broke it lol
[21:51:25] Korny: But going to address/mythweb doesn't load
[21:51:30] sphery: tgm4883: I'm not sure how to use the service api to add new schedules (or if it's even really been tested/is supposed to work)
[21:51:42] Korny: if I go mythweb.php it will load that page, but nothing after taht if I click a link
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[21:52:08] Korny: I'm running another site as a default to the address
[21:52:10] wagnerrp: sounds like you turned off the rewrite engine
[21:52:24] wagnerrp: AFK for a bit...
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[21:52:57] wagnerrp: the rewrite engine is what mythweb uses to route all requests in through /mythweb/mythweb.php and /mythweb/mythweb.pl
[21:53:11] sphery: all I know is that the frontend actually writes a record to the DB, then tells the scheduler to run... we need to fix that, eventually, so the backend does it all (and that may come about as part of a change gi gem is working on), but I don't know if the services api uses the same code the frontend uses to do that right now or has its own
[21:54:27] Korny: wagnerrp, is there an easy way to turn it back on?
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[21:57:01] Korny: hmm it is enabled apparently I messed something up, is there supposed to be an htaccess in the root directory?
[21:57:07] Korny: well mythweb
[21:59:01] Korny: ahhh my link to .htaccess in /etc/mythtv/myth-webhtacess is broken
[22:00:10] Korny: hmmm I don't have a mythweb-htacess
[22:00:31] Korny: anyone wanna dcc me theres
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[22:01:40] Bray90820: tgm4883 got any answer for me?
[22:01:55] tgm4883: Bray90820, uh yea. I can't look at it right now
[22:02:07] Bray90820: alright
[22:02:11] Bray90820: that's fine
[22:02:45] Bray90820: but atleast i know your the person that can help me
[22:02:50] tgm4883: sphery, would a valid test be to just change the type on the record?
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[22:27:36] Bray90820: Anyone else wanna take a stab at my error
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[22:33:46] sphery: tgm4883: what are you specifying for type?
[22:34:14] tgm4883: sphery, I've tried both 1 and 4 (which should be 'single record' and 'anytime anychannel')
[22:34:20] tgm4883: but it always shows up as 8
[22:34:27] sphery: you have to pass it a string
[22:34:36] tgm4883: I am
[22:34:43] tgm4883: well, I'm passing it as a URL
[22:34:48] tgm4883: utf8 encoded
[22:34:59] sphery: I mean a string name of a type
[22:35:07] tgm4883: oh?
[22:35:13] sphery: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 03464#503464
[22:35:40] sphery: something like "Type=Channel", in that (second) example
[22:36:00] tgm4883: sphery, ah, that makes sense then as to why it's not working
[22:36:11] tgm4883: sphery, doesn't help that API isn't documented on the wiki ;)
[22:36:18] sphery: yep
[22:36:27] tgm4883: sphery, so then, is there a list somewhere of what the different options are then?
[22:37:22] tgm4883: sphery, for lack of a better known place to look, i've been using this https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . TV/static.py
[22:37:47] sphery: http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . fixes%2F0.26
[22:37:54] sphery: but note that they change in post 0.26
[22:38:00] sphery: http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . ingtypes.cpp
[22:38:03] sphery: couple were obsoleted
[22:38:32] tgm4883: sphery, I'm only offering two options
[22:38:39] tgm4883: single and anytime anychannel
[22:38:46] sphery: that should work in all versions :)
[22:38:59] tgm4883: sphery, yea, I'm trying to simplify it as much as I can
[22:39:15] Bray90820: could my error be that it's trying to connect to tuner 1 but tuner 1 is already in use so it just stops trying
[22:39:48] sphery: tgm4883: you should be able to use either the short or long names for the types, too
[22:40:17] sphery: (though with the 2 you're offering, it's not that much more descriptive with the long--about the only one that's not too descriptive with short is "not")
[22:40:47] tgm4883: sphery, well I plan on just telling the user "record program" "record series"
[22:40:49] Korny: sigh I hmmm rewrite is enabled, I've completely removed and reinstalled mythweb but can't get it to work :/
[22:41:08] Korny: gettign 404 errors from apache
[22:41:21] sphery: Bray90820: didn't see your question, but mythtv expects exclusive access to all tuners you've configured whenever it needs them--and it won't retry/move recordings to different tuners if the one it tries to use is unavailable/broken
[22:41:25] tgm4883: sphery, I'm guessing the two I want to use are "AllRecord" and "SingleRecord", do I need to prepend those with k?
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[22:41:57] tgm4883: sphery, I think Bray90820 is talking about in conjuction with the issue of his backend doesn't seem to ever stop recording
[22:42:03] sphery: tgm4883: no, you need to use the ones in the type variable
[22:42:22] sphery: i.e. "single record"/"single" or "record all"/"all"
[22:42:36] Bray90820: sphery my error is that my backend never stops recording and someone told me that it's because it never actually starts
[22:42:37] tgm4883: sphery, ah, even better :)
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[22:42:53] sphery: capitalization is unimportant, so you can use the "fits with the rest of services API" capitalize first letter spelling
[22:43:01] sphery: i.e. Channle or All or Single or ...
[22:43:28] Bray90820: sphery if you were talking to me it's all channels
[22:43:38] sphery: that was for tgm4883  :)
[22:43:48] Bray90820: sorry if you wernt
[22:43:58] sphery: for you, I'd need to see a log showing mythbackend attempting a recording
[22:44:23] tgm4883: Bray90820, so I just found out I can't fix this server right now. Although I'm not totally sure I'll know what I'm looking at in your logs, can you post some logs with a recording attempt (and tell me what the timestamp is)?
[22:45:00] Bray90820: do you want my local time or udt dimw
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[22:45:08] tgm4883: local time
[22:45:19] Bray90820: ok
[22:46:57] Bray90820: tgm4883 i seem to only have logs from today
[22:47:18] tgm4883: Bray90820, ok, then reproduce the issue and paste the logs?
[22:47:26] Bray90820: hum
[22:47:29] Bray90820: i will try
[22:52:15] mark2013: Mr. Wagnerpp – So, I see Scan found channels, but I still cannot "Watch" from frontend. Please indulge the ignorance in me and suggest what I should do next.
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[22:53:24] mark2013: wagnerrp – I tried mythtv fronend Watch, still no joy. RFC please?
[22:53:55] wagnerrp: rfc?
[22:54:23] mark2013: Request for Comments
[22:54:33] wagnerrp: need to check your backend logs, they will likely indicate some overlooked configuration issue
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[22:55:52] mark2013: Do you know if MONIT shows those logs?
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[22:56:42] wagnerrp: i don't know anything about monit
[22:57:55] wagnerrp: the logs will be where ever you or your distro configured them to go, and i know little to nothing about how your distro handles mythtv
[22:59:34] mark2013: thanks, I'm looking it up myself, "I'll be back" -Arnold Schwartznegger
[22:59:47] Bray90820: tgm4883 i found out the problem isn't really happening anymore
[23:00:13] Bray90820: the only timed that happened was last friday but it happend on ALL of my recording that day
[23:00:30] wagnerrp: sphery: that's it, i'm writing something to pull logs out of the database and pastebin them tonight
[23:00:51] sphery: hehe
[23:00:57] Bray90820: i had 4 things set to record and it appeared to be recording them but nothing in my folder
[23:01:11] Timrit: can someone help me with playback from different device than backend? i am getting this: http://pastebin.com/q8SKz4KE I can watch recorded content on the remote front end but no live tv.
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[23:01:39] Timrit: i can watch live tv and recorded on the backend/frontend
[23:02:00] Bray90820: but right now i need some help with 1 more thing
[23:02:01] Korny: Are there any other configuration files other then mythweb.conf that I need to be aware of with apache2?
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[23:02:21] Bray90820: how can i change the default recording location
[23:02:24] wagnerrp: korny: your httpd.conf needs to be configured to load mythweb.conf
[23:02:37] sphery: wagnerrp: I kind of faltered on the backend web server implementation of it because a) javascript sucks and b) the log viewer was very (too?) constrained by the format used elsewhere, which is seemingly designed for an 800x600 netbook screen (i.e. the fixed-size table with like 12 rows of text)
[23:03:23] wagnerrp: i'm sure jquery can be set to allow a dynamic window size
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[23:03:42] Korny: wagnerrp, right now httpd.conf in /etc/apache2 is empty, but my other webpages work(newznab) and myphpadmin
[23:04:26] sphery: wagnerrp: yes, but it goes against the design of the rest of the site
[23:04:40] wagnerrp: so fix the design of the rest of the site
[23:05:04] wagnerrp: the whole purpose of the web-based backend was to get away from something designed for low resolution TVs
[23:05:11] wagnerrp: s/backend/setup/
[23:07:16] wagnerrp: IMHO, nothing on there should requiring flipping through pages
[23:07:50] wagnerrp: let the API itself page, but dynamically load additional logs as you scroll
[23:08:43] Korny: wag is httpd.conf supposed to be empty :/
[23:08:54] Korny: sorry wagnerrp
[23:08:57] wagnerrp: on whatever distro you're running? i have no idea
[23:09:04] Korny: ubuntu
[23:09:22] wagnerrp: mine isn't, but then my httpd.conf is mostly hand edited, and probably 6 years old
[23:09:48] Korny: ahh it uses apache2.conf now
[23:09:53] Korny: just need to read a bit more
[23:11:13] Korny: well #include the virtual host configurations: includes sites-enables/
[23:11:21] Korny: and sites-enabled has mythweb.conf in it
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[23:11:51] Korny: I can get the mythweb main page by going directrly to /mythweb/mythweb.php but nothing else works from there
[23:13:17] wagnerrp: is there one of those includes that manages loading all the various library modules?
[23:14:19] Korny: well I know rewrite is working
[23:14:32] Korny: what other modules does it use?
[23:14:49] wagnerrp: then my only guess is that it's trying to rewrite the wrong paths
[23:15:29] Korny: which would make sense
[23:15:50] wagnerrp: check mythweb.conf and make sure the paths in there line up with where mythweb is installed
[23:16:10] mark2013: Shows tail end of backend-log http://pastebin.com/d3naFeyJ
[23:18:13] wizbit: are we getting close to 0.26.1 ?
[23:18:55] Korny: wagnerrp, I have it setup as /var/www/mythweb/data but /var/www/mythweb is a link is that ok? or should I be using /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb?
[23:19:06] sphery: wagnerrp: yeah, that's probably the best thing... Make the whole site size dynamically
[23:19:10] sphery: just much more work
[23:19:35] wagnerrp: wizbit: there is generally no explicit reason for point releases
[23:19:43] sphery: though replacing pieces/parts of mythweb with it is getting more and more interesting to me, so may get higher on my todo
[23:19:51] wagnerrp: the only _need_ for one is when there is a bugfix that changes protocol or schema
[23:20:02] wizbit: so there will never be a 0.26.1 ?
[23:20:24] sphery: yeah, you shouldn't be using release "snapshots"
[23:20:26] wagnerrp: aside from that, they just get occasionally made for the convenience of packagers who sometimes prefer point releases to tracking source repositories
[23:20:30] sphery: but should be using -fixes branch
[23:20:38] wizbit: i am already
[23:21:12] sphery: which means you're already getting the post 0.26 fixes that a point release would have
[23:21:15] sphery: :)
[23:21:19] wagnerrp: mark2013: there's nothing there but periodic runs of the housekeeper and scheduler
[23:21:27] wizbit: oh
[23:22:00] wizbit: i think there should be a university course for mythtv
[23:22:09] wizbit: a degree in mythtv lol
[23:22:31] wizbit: probably be one of the hardest courses out there
[23:22:55] sphery: and it should be an automatic F if you try to run mythtv in a VM or on a seriously-underpowered system
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[23:23:11] wizbit: F ?
[23:23:16] sphery: failing grade
[23:24:17] wagnerrp: sphery: you know, i've honestly got no problem with someone running mythtv in a VM or a low powered system... assuming they actually have good reason for doing so and understand the limitations
[23:24:30] wagnerrp: but people on the mailing list very rarely do
[23:24:30] Bray90820: Anyone know the default location for records
[23:24:38] ** Bray90820 is away **
[23:24:41] Bray90820: just ping me the answer
[23:24:53] wagnerrp: Bray90820: /mnt/mythtv i believe
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[23:25:25] wagnerrp: they just use low power systems because they "want to save on electricity", but haven't really done a proper analysis on what components use what power and when
[23:25:46] wagnerrp: they want to use virtual machines because "that's just what everyone uses", but don't actually understand WHY people might want to use a VM
[23:26:06] wagnerrp: and then when i explain why the reasons don't apply to them, they have to justify
[23:26:21] mark2013: paste.bin throws error that backend-log is over 500KB in size
[23:26:48] wagnerrp: yes, because it probably contains the logs from every single time you've ever run mythbackend
[23:27:03] mark2013: Properties show it is 1.4meg
[23:27:32] Bray90820: wagnerrp thank you
[23:27:41] sphery: yeah, and they end up with seriously-underpowered (i.e. unable to properly run mythtv) systems
[23:28:01] wagnerrp: Bray90820: that is the hard coded default if you have no other paths defined in mythtv-setup
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[23:28:51] Bray90820: i just tried it and the terminal seid no such file or directory
[23:29:31] wagnerrp: no one ever said it creates it, because in any sensible configuration, mythbackend wouldn't have the necessary permissions to create it
[23:29:45] wagnerrp: just that it's the hard coded default if the user never defined a path in mythtv-setup
[23:29:53] Bray90820: well here is the thing
[23:29:58] mark2013: log on 22-Jan-2013 only is: http://pastebin.com/vU9psYrr
[23:30:02] wagnerrp: note that in such a circumstance, mythtv-setup would warn you that you screwed up when you tried to exit it
[23:30:03] sphery: mark2013: truncate the file ( sudo truncate /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log ), then restart mythbackend and/or syslog and you'll have only useful log information from the current run
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[23:30:17] Bray90820: there is a recording that i recorded last night and i don't know where it went
[23:30:37] Bray90820: i think it went in the default recording group
[23:30:40] sphery: mark2013: hmmm... maybe: sudo -s0 /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[23:30:55] sphery: er, sudo truncate -s0 /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[23:32:21] Bray90820: if i recoded something and never specified a location where would i go
[23:32:36] sphery: "never specified a location" = didn't configure Storage Groups?
[23:32:41] sphery: if so, it likely would fail to record
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[23:33:21] Bray90820: well i use xbmc as my frontend and all i did was hit the record button in xbmc
[23:33:27] Bray90820: and it recorded so some location
[23:33:31] sphery: unless you happen to have a /mnt/store directory, which no system should have (as it's not standard and actually violates current FHS)
[23:33:49] Bray90820: it prob used a storage group
[23:33:50] sphery: so you did properly configure Storage Groups when you set up your backend?
[23:33:51] Bray90820: but which one
[23:34:02] sphery: if so, it would write to one of the directories specified in the Default Storage Group
[23:34:19] Bray90820: alright
[23:34:27] Bray90820: would you happen to know what that is
[23:34:31] Bray90820: if i never changed it
[23:34:38] sphery: it's not defined by default
[23:34:47] sphery: there's no directory list for any Storage Groups by default
[23:34:54] Bray90820: alright then i will have to just check myself
[23:35:07] sphery: so... if you "didn't configure Storage Groups, it likely would fail to record"
[23:35:16] Bray90820: it did record
[23:35:20] sphery: "unless you happen to have a /mnt/store directory, which no system should have (as it's not standard and actually violates current FHS)"
[23:35:22] Bray90820: i can deff play it back
[23:35:23] sphery: :)
[23:35:30] Korny: hmmm thats different now I get a directory listing when I goto 192.168.0.3/mythweb
[23:35:34] mark2013: Per sphery's truncated log: http://pastebin.com/ZMdYcpwb
[23:35:44] sphery: so you've configured Storage Groups, so you'll need to run mythtv-setup to see what directories are specified for Default Storage Group
[23:35:46] Bray90820: i think it's the default storage group
[23:35:53] wagnerrp: sphery: if he's using mythbuntu, they actually preconfigure storage in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings
[23:36:00] sphery: (it may be possible that your distro configured some storage groups for you, but MythTV doesn't)
[23:36:12] wagnerrp: that's why damn near everyone on the mailing list records there
[23:36:13] Bray90820: hum that will stop my backend
[23:36:30] ** Korny doesn't **
[23:36:38] Bray90820: is there a way to check my directories without stopping my backend
[23:36:43] sphery: mark2013: says the backend is already running, so it can't start a new one on that host
[23:36:57] sphery: Bray90820: is it mythbuntu/ubuntu?
[23:37:02] Bray90820: yes
[23:37:10] sphery: check where wagnerrp mentioned
[23:37:14] sphery: /var/lib/mythtv/recordings
[23:37:50] Bray90820: hey thank you
[23:38:03] Bray90820: i was just wondering if i could check myself without stopping my backend
[23:38:10] Bray90820: but what you said worked
[23:38:19] Bray90820: that was the location
[23:38:27] sphery: you can always look at the backend status page to see the recording Storage Group directories
[23:38:40] sphery: or check the frontend System Status screen
[23:38:42] Bray90820: alright thank you
[23:38:45] wagnerrp: you CAN run mythtv-setup without terminating the backend
[23:38:57] wagnerrp: you simply cannot run mythbuntu's mythtv-setup wrapper script without terminating the backend
[23:39:11] Bray90820: and it seems like teh error i was having before aout recordings not stopping is not happening anymore
[23:39:15] drussell_: Bray90820: Or you could always use 'locate <filename>' if your locatedb is up to date or 'find / -name <filename> -print' from a terminal.. The filename is on the info screen of the recording
[23:39:16] Bray90820: it only happend that one day
[23:39:16] wagnerrp: i have never liked that feature
[23:39:50] sphery: wagnerrp: the auto-shutdown-the-backend part?
[23:39:52] Bray90820: than you drussell_
[23:40:07] wagnerrp: yeah, where they do not allow you to run mythtv-setup at all
[23:40:16] wagnerrp: (or actually, require you run mythtv-setup.real)
[23:40:31] Bray90820: could i change the default storage group location without any problems
[23:40:57] sphery: yeah, though I see why they do it (to try to make sure that it uses the right configuration and user)
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[23:41:21] wagnerrp: i certainly understand why they do it
[23:41:48] wagnerrp: i just find it frustrating when we're trying to give generic help, only for the users to find something completely different when they try to do what we say
[23:41:52] Bray90820: yea but that location only has like 30GB and my server has 4TB so yea
[23:42:16] sphery: I have mixed feelings about the auto-shutdown-the-backend though--it doesn't always work, but I think a lot of users would not always restart the backend, and think mythtv is broken when it doesn't see their changes
[23:42:34] sphery: and, yeah, that's challenging
[23:42:55] Bray90820: well all my errors appear to be solved
[23:42:58] sphery: Bray90820: you can change the directory list associated with the Default Storage Group
[23:42:59] Bray90820: thank you
[23:43:09] Bray90820: sphery thank you
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[23:43:19] wagnerrp: so give a prompt warning about tuner conflicts when you start (disabling the one in mythtv-setup itself), and then another prompt suggesting you restart the backend on exit
[23:43:45] sphery: Bray90820: a Storage Group = "a name" that maps to a list of directories... What you want is to add or change the directory list associated with the Storage Group
[23:44:01] Bray90820: sphery thank you buti know how to do it
[23:44:07] sphery: (i.e. a directory is not a Storage Group... Directories got named a few decades ago and MythTV had no reason to rename them :)
[23:44:17] Bray90820: i was just wondering if it was safe to do so
[23:44:31] sphery: mythtv-setup allows you to edit Storage Groups (specifically in the "Storage Directories" section)
[23:44:43] sphery: that requires a backend restart, though
[23:44:47] wagnerrp: all recordings are stored flat, directly on the directory(ies) you define in mythtv-setup
[23:44:57] Bray90820: ahh
[23:44:58] mark2013: "Clean" log http://pastebin.com/TahpfbiJ
[23:45:01] sphery: (whether or not your mythtv-setup script does one for you)
[23:45:07] wagnerrp: when mythtv goes looking for a recording, it just cycles through all directories defined, looking for that filename
[23:45:21] wagnerrp: it does not explicitly track where the file is stored
[23:45:23] Bray90820: well that just answered every question about why the recording wasn't working
[23:45:34] wagnerrp: so as long as the recording is somewhere in any of those directories, mythtv will pick it up
[23:45:38] Bray90820: i had no backend restart after setting up my season passes
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[23:46:04] Bray90820: that's why it never recorded them
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[23:46:19] sphery: Bray90820: you can create recording rules without a backend restart--just can't change Storage Groups (or Capture Cards or Video Sources or Channels or Input Connections) without a backend restart
[23:46:41] Bray90820: well i changed the recording group of the season pass
[23:46:44] sphery: I'm assuming "season passes" = "record all" recording rules for some series
[23:46:59] Bray90820: from default to one i made called server
[23:47:06] Bray90820: yes
[23:47:13] sphery: you can change which Recording Group it's in (which, btw, is completely unrelated to Storage Group)
[23:47:29] sphery: and you can change which Storage Group new recordings from that rule will go into
[23:47:35] sphery: without a backend restart
[23:47:39] Bray90820: when i say season pass i mean all new episodes of a series
[23:47:50] sphery: you just can't change the directory list associated with a Storage Group without a backend restart
[23:47:54] Bray90820: sorry my bad i was saying recording group when i ment storage group
[23:48:12] sphery: (Recording Group is just a user-defined "category" for the recording, which can be used to filter recordings in Watch Recordings)
[23:48:16] wagnerrp: we just call that a "record all" rule, theres no fancy advertising name
[23:48:41] Bray90820: yea i say season pass because that's what my tivo calles it
[23:48:56] wagnerrp: right
[23:48:59] sphery: yeah, and "season pass" would be a misnomer, anyway, as it's actually a "series pass" or "show pass"--it's completely unrelated to the season :)
[23:49:18] wagnerrp: and chances are you're doing it for something other than a sporting event
[23:49:18] ** sphery looks sternly at TiVo and their bad naming **
[23:49:18] Bray90820: you know your right
[23:50:01] Korny: sigh now I broke my whole server lol
[23:50:30] Bray90820: well so i can change the storage group without restarting my backend?
[23:50:52] wagnerrp: i believe so
[23:51:14] Bray90820: hum then i have no idea what was going on but it works now so i am not going to worry about it
[23:51:31] Bray90820: it seems to have worked ever since i restarted the computer
[23:52:09] mark2013: "Clean" backend log (I believe) http://pastebin.com/TahpfbiJ
[23:52:39] sphery: mark2013: what are we looking for in that log?
[23:52:39] wagnerrp: big oops... "SG(LiveTV): Group 'LiveTV' wants to use directory '/home/mark/myth-tv/', but this directory is not writeable."
[23:52:46] sphery: Jan 22 15:43:46 Lexington-19 mythbackend[14411]: E CoreContext storagegroup.cpp:766 (CheckAllStorageGroupDirs) SG(LiveTV): Group 'LiveTV' wants to use directory '/home/mark/myth-tv/', but this directory is not writeable.
[23:52:50] wagnerrp: backend does not have write permission
[23:52:51] sphery: mark2013: ^^^ is an error
[23:53:02] sphery: I'm guessing that's the problem you're having
[23:53:07] mark2013: Permissions show I have read/write permission as user and as group
[23:53:07] sphery: "Live TV doesn't work"?
[23:53:16] Korny: well mythweb didn't listen to what I asked it to and took over my webserver :/
[23:53:18] wagnerrp: you do, the user running mythtv does not
[23:53:22] mark2013: No "Watch" from frontend working
[23:53:38] sphery: mark2013: no, because unless you've broken your system, no user other than mark can see anything underneath /home/mark
[23:53:39] wagnerrp: this is why it is vitally important people run mythtv-setup as the same user that will be running mythbackend
[23:53:41] sphery: so mythtv user can't
[23:53:50] wagnerrp: as mythtv-setup does sanity checks for such things when it closes
[23:54:05] sphery: so no mythtv system should ever put any /home/<anything> directory or subdirectory into the Storage Group directory lists
[23:54:35] mark2013: What is ^^^?
[23:54:38] drussell_: Korny: You probably need to add Alias /mythweb /usr/local/www/mythweb
[23:54:53] wagnerrp: pointing up to the above line in chat
[23:54:55] sphery: mark2013: arrows pointing up to the previous message I sent, which showed your error from your log
[23:55:01] drussell_: Korny: or wherever you actually keep mythweb for the directory, of course...
[23:55:43] mark2013: So directory myth-tv want to be "
[23:55:52] Korny: drussell_, I used synaptic to remove everything about mythweb and reinstall
[23:55:54] mark2013: sorry, typo
[23:56:01] mark2013: wants to be root?
[23:56:06] Korny: resinstalled and it hosed my setup
[23:56:11] wagnerrp: no, very rarely should you ever run anything as root
[23:56:12] Korny: yes root
[23:56:17] wagnerrp: no, not root
[23:56:19] Korny: wait
[23:56:21] wagnerrp: root bad
[23:56:23] Korny: wrong conversation
[23:56:26] Korny: root = bad
[23:56:29] mark2013: OK NO root
[23:56:44] wagnerrp: most distros create a 'mythtv' user for mythtv to run as
[23:57:00] wagnerrp: and set up their init scripts to run mythbackend as that user
[23:57:23] drussell_: Korny: Are you using a mythweb.conf in your includes directory? Check that and/or your apache .conf file (httpd.conf or other)
[23:57:25] wagnerrp: that's who needs to have permissions to the recording directories
[23:58:17] mark2013: Per wagnerrp this is why it is vitally important people run mythtv-setup as the same user that will be running mythbackend – As far as I know all permissions are good
[23:58:43] wagnerrp: except you're having mythtv record to somewhere in /home/mark
[23:58:51] wagnerrp: which is almost certainly not writable by user 'mythtv'
[23:59:11] mark2013: So the myth-tv folder should be in / ?
[23:59:28] wagnerrp: no, it should be where ever you want your recordings to be stored
[23:59:44] wagnerrp: maybe in /srv/, or in /opt/, or in /mnt/, or even /home/mythtv/
[23:59:56] mark2013: Recordings I want are on external USB drive (320 gig)

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