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[01:41:03] monkeypet69: hi all, i wanted to cut commercials from a recording, I have a transcoding rule called "lossless". However, I don't see it when I watch the recording, menu -> jobs -> begin transcoding.
[01:41:25] monkeypet69: i see autodetect, high, low, medium.
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[01:58:22] Shadow__X: monkeypet69: go to edit video and hit z to enable the flagged commercials
[01:58:56] Shadow__X: then go through the recording to make sure the commercial detection was accurate then exit with the flags saved then go transcoding auto detect
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[03:02:33] tonsofpcs: I really need a frontend in another room for live tv (ATSC)... suggestions? or will DLNA support live tv soon?
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[03:06:48] tonsofpcs: also, is there any way I can extend a recording in-progress from mythweb that's part of a channel schedule?
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[05:02:51] Oleg_: I am getting this error when try to compile 0.26-fixes version:
[05:02:54] Oleg_: ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.26.so: undefined reference to `dvdnav_get_highlight_area_from_group'
[05:04:29] Oleg_: good night
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[10:57:13] p1ngb4ck: Hi everybody ! I am using mythtv on gentoo, installed via MythTV Gentoo Git Repo. Then I just installed Win7-Mythfrontend, which updated the db-schema from 1306 to 1307, which now made my gentoo backend stop working (still expects 1306). Any hints?
[11:00:03] p1ngb4ck: please help, I am going onpanic ;D system worked fine after weeks of configuring (using softcam with Sky-PayTV etc etc)..
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[11:06:49] p1ngb4ck: wagnerrp : any chance to see more up2date ebuild for 0.26 on gentoo soon ?
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[11:16:20] toeb: p1ngb4ck: it should have created a db backup befor updating, use it and the backend should start again.
[11:16:29] toeb: or upgrade your backend
[11:17:12] p1ngb4ck: toeb : I would like to update the backend, since there is no other prebuilt binary for mythfrontend on Win7 than the one I am using
[11:17:32] p1ngb4ck: but no chance to get up2date ebuild for gentoo as it seems, looking for it for a while now
[11:26:10] p1ngb4ck: toeb : going back to 0.25.3 now :((((
[11:35:33] toeb: p1ngb4ck: you could simply compile it from source until it gets available
[11:36:15] p1ngb4ck: toeb : well I could .. but I massively dislike
[11:36:28] p1ngb4ck: even more than switching back to 0.25.3
[11:36:46] toeb: IIRC the gentoo repo contains a scrip to update the ebuild
[11:40:00] p1ngb4ck: toeb : oh, thats something I didnt notice before, will have a look as soon as I am back, need to care for my baby son now =)
[11:40:11] p1ngb4ck: thanks a lot for the info
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[13:54:28] kvarley: Can anybody recommend a good dual DVB-S2 card that works flawlessly in Linux? UK availability please.
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[14:05:50] p1ngb4ck: any german user here that uses Sky with MythTV? wondering how I could possibly manually add Sky – Bundesliga channels the most eöegant way, which were not found during scan
[14:05:59] p1ngb4ck: *elegant
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[14:07:07] Peps: kvarley, i use a TBS6984 which is a quad tuner card. they do a dual one. Does compiling the drivers from source still count as working flawlessly in your opinion?
[14:07:42] kvarley: Peps: Yes. I don't mind having to compile stuff, I just need it to work without any problems after that.
[14:07:54] kvarley: Peps: Can I use the quad card with only 2 feeds?
[14:08:10] Peps: kvarley: yeah, im only using 3
[14:08:30] Peps: kvarley, tbs6981 < dual
[14:09:00] kvarley: Peps: The house has 4 but 2 are used for Sky HD and 2 for standard def Sky+. I'm going to be using the feeds from the regular sky+ box but if it goes well then skyhd could go too
[14:09:36] kvarley: Peps: What TV do you receive with it? I'm in the UK so I would be doing Freesat HD.
[14:09:55] p1ngb4ck: btw if anybody interested : I managed to get sasc-ng softcam wrapper to work on amd64 gentoo just fine now
[14:10:16] p1ngb4ck: with 3.6.11 kernel
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[14:10:49] Peps: kvarley, in the UK, you'll only be able to receive the FTA channels available on freesat. getting your subscription channels to work with it is a legal grey area and im sure im not at liberty to discus it here
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[14:11:31] kvarley: Peps: I thought Freesat was all FTA? I assumed it was just Sky that provided non-FTA channels?
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[14:12:24] Peps: kvarley, thats right, you mentioned it possibly replacing a skyhd box. It won't get the sky channels but will get all the freesat ones
[14:13:13] kvarley: Peps: Ah ok good, I thought you were saying only some freesat channels were FTA :) I know that I won't be able to access Sky channels so for now I'm keeping my Sky HD subscription and am trailing Freesat HD to see if I actually need the Sky box at all.
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[14:17:03] p1ngb4ck: kvarley : Peps is completely right about it being a legal greyzone, but as long as you have a valid subscription, nobody *should/will* sue you for using a softcam to use a 2nd device in your own home .. as long as it doesnt leave the LAN ;D
[14:17:42] kvarley: p1ngb4ck: Ah ok, thank you for the info
[14:17:56] Seeker`: it is still a legal greyzone though
[14:18:23] kvarley: Can you set a DVB-S2 card to output over coaxial?
[14:20:03] p1ngb4ck: kvarley : I have a dreambox receiver with my SC inserted act as a server for my media-center-backend running on my homeserver, which just has a simple Tevii USB Card plugged .. I then use different frontends on all my devices (laptop connected to TV/ PCs/ Android Tablet
[14:20:37] kvarley: p1ngb4ck: SC?
[14:20:41] p1ngb4ck: smartcard
[14:21:18] kvarley: So your dreambox is the thing connected to the satellite dish?
[14:21:21] p1ngb4ck: youz dont stream the decoded video stream with a softcam, but you "share" your card between the devices, each device uzsing its own tv-tuner
[14:21:22] Peps: kvarley, if youre talking about outputting the video to coaxial, then that'd be a function of your graphics card, you could try using a gpu that outputs to s-video, and then use an svideo to coaxial adapter?
[14:22:05] kvarley: It's just because currently the house is only wired with coax
[14:22:26] p1ngb4ck: use wireless =P.. HD works fine from n150 on
[14:22:30] kvarley: So ideally the box I'm building could output via coax to the existing TVs and then any HD capable devices would connect via ethernet
[14:22:39] p1ngb4ck: if your house is too big, set up a nrepeater
[14:23:02] Seeker`: heh. Not sure about 'fine'
[14:23:08] kvarley: p1ngb4ck: I was planning on buying Raspberry Pis for each TV and connect via ethernet to it
[14:23:12] Seeker`: As long as you're not running anything at decent HD quality
[14:23:33] p1ngb4ck: Seeker : lol ? full-HD 1920x1080
[14:23:40] Seeker`: p1ngb4ck: at what bitrate?
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[14:23:53] Seeker`: 1080p is useless if it is only 1 bit/ second :P
[14:24:03] p1ngb4ck: didnt test over 12MBit/s
[14:24:10] p1ngb4ck: think thats enough
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[14:24:22] Peps: in my house, the wifi signal wont reach all corners of the house. i use devolo plugs (http://www.devolo.co.uk/) to connect my master backend to my network
[14:24:41] p1ngb4ck: Peps : those are fine yes
[14:24:45] wagnerrp: p1ngb4ck: softcams are a banned topic on this channel, please do not discuss them
[14:25:13] p1ngb4ck: wagnerrp : okay, sorry didnt see that before, should have had a look first sorry
[14:25:14] Seeker`: p1ngb4ck: Not really. Thats about the same as the maximum from a DVD
[14:25:19] p1ngb4ck: wagnerrp : i will
[14:25:31] p1ngb4ck: stop discussing that topic
[14:25:51] Seeker`: p1ngb4ck: Thats 5x the number of pixels, but with no more data per frame
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[14:28:38] wagnerrp: kvarley: RPis are currently not an option for mythtv, as mythtv does not support the hardware decoder on them, and they do not have enough power to do software decoding
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[14:36:16] kvarley: wagnerrp: I was going to run XBMC on them so it would be able to hardware decode the stream
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[14:36:41] wagnerrp: sure, but even XBMC struggles a bit on that little power and memory
[14:37:03] wagnerrp: remember, you're talking about something the performance of a low end Pentium II
[14:37:13] kvarley: wagnerrp: It runs smoothly locally tho and can play 1080p x264 via openelec
[14:37:33] wagnerrp: if you've tested it, go for it
[14:37:50] kvarley: I haven't tried networked playback yet
[14:37:55] kvarley: Other than that I know it's capable
[14:38:00] kvarley: I will have to setup some tests
[14:38:08] p1ngb4ck: wagnerrp : will there be up2date gentoo ebuilds for 0.26 any time soon ;D ? had to downgrade to 0.25.3 today, because I want to use mythfrontend on windows.. and only precompiled one for windows works with db-scheme 3007, while 0.26 ebuild from mythtv git works with 3006 .. wasnt able to upgrade manually :S
[14:38:42] wagnerrp: i thought the official ebuilds from gentoo had been getting updated
[14:38:57] p1ngb4ck: only 0.25.3 stable :S
[14:39:28] wagnerrp: i've been holding off updating the mythtv packages until i have something to automatically generate them, test compile, and update
[14:39:37] wagnerrp: tied into mythtv's buildbot system
[14:40:33] p1ngb4ck: wagnerrp : I see, thank you !
[14:47:08] p1ngb4ck: do you know whether eit over dvb works with channels that were imported from a channels.conf now ? didnt manage to find my sky-bundesliga channels yet using mythtv scan
[14:47:46] wagnerrp: no, EIT only works with channels scanned by mythtv
[14:49:24] p1ngb4ck: okay thanks
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[15:23:55] runelind: wow mythweb is slow ;p
[15:24:04] runelind: or, my server needs more megahurts
[15:24:23] wagnerrp: slow in what regard?
[15:24:36] runelind: just going through the listings
[15:24:43] runelind: if I search, it usually times out.
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[15:24:52] runelind: mysql is going nuts
[15:25:08] wagnerrp: searching shouldn't time out, but viewing the listings page is typically fairly slow
[15:25:32] wagnerrp: just remember the volume of data that is being processed and rendered though
[15:25:50] runelind: yeah
[15:25:51] Seeker`: I keep on getting timeouts etc on my mythweb too
[15:25:58] wagnerrp: and it's not just a simple query, it's merging data from backend and database
[15:26:14] runelind: I wonder if adding a SSD to my ZFS array would help db queries like that.
[15:26:38] wagnerrp: as a L2ARC, very likely
[15:26:53] wagnerrp: since most of the information should stay cached in the SSD for immediate access
[15:27:21] wagnerrp: have you actually done any tuning for mysql itself? or are you running the stock settings?
[15:27:31] runelind: just the stock settings.
[15:27:37] wagnerrp: this is freebsd?
[15:27:41] runelind: aye
[15:27:57] runelind: 9.1
[15:28:10] wagnerrp: yeah, freebsd uses _no_ settings, so mysql falls back to its compiled in defaults, which are quite poor
[15:28:25] wagnerrp: take a look at some of the my.cnf examples that were packaged with mysqld
[15:29:15] wagnerrp: should be in /usr/local/share/mysql
[15:29:37] wagnerrp: i think i'm running my-large.cnf, with a number of the values halved
[15:30:07] wagnerrp: note that your mysql memory consumption will go up considerably
[15:30:17] runelind: yeah, and I'm already low on gigarams.
[15:30:25] runelind: my system has 8GB total.
[15:30:34] runelind: and ZFS wants a lot of that.
[15:30:51] wagnerrp: zfs wants everything spare you've got
[15:31:03] wagnerrp: if something else is already using it, zfs will just use less
[15:31:20] runelind: I also think disk access is probably pretty slow on my box
[15:31:27] runelind: 12 disk ZFS array
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[15:32:15] runelind: 3 4-disk raidz1 vdevs
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[15:39:58] justinh: don't run mythtv's database on a raspberry Pi :-P
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[15:42:46] p1ngb4ck: does anybody have a nice german scan file for me perhaps where Sky BuLi 1–10 channels were found ? they seem to be inactive right now ..
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[15:52:42] p1ngb4ck: solved it myself .. wondered how I found them once .. just forgot to scan for anny channeltype, because Sky BuLi + Select Feeds are being recognised as radio channels since they are inactive most of the time ;D
[15:54:18] p1ngb4ck: are there any plugins for mythtv that I could use for these TV-Channels with optional feeds?
[15:54:35] p1ngb4ck: or even basic behaviour I am not aware of right now ?
[16:03:01] justinh: optional feeds?
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[16:03:50] justinh: if the broadcaster is following the DVB spec all channels should be shown to be be present whether they're actually on the air or not
[16:04:36] p1ngb4ck: justinh: they are present, just not being recognized as "TV" – channeltype in mythtv
[16:04:57] justinh: that'll mean they have no video PID when they're 'off air' which is OFF SPEC
[16:05:14] p1ngb4ck: justinh : ah okay, I see
[16:05:37] justinh: you can always scan them, then edit the channel type after the scan
[16:06:13] justinh: if the scan detects a channel as the 'radio' type as far as I know it'll never even look for a video PID associated with the serviceid of the channel
[16:06:23] justinh: so can first, then correct it after
[16:07:41] p1ngb4ck: justinh : yep, will do that. second question was if there are any "plugins" or similar, that improve the usage of such channels with "subchannels" (like many PayTV provider use)
[16:07:49] p1ngb4ck: justinh : thanks a lopt for the hint
[16:07:52] p1ngb4ck: *lot
[16:08:21] p1ngb4ck: with "usage" I mean the live-tv browsing in mythfrointend xD
[16:08:28] justinh: p1ngb4ck: no plugins exist for tv functionality
[16:08:35] p1ngb4ck: argh my spelling hits me critical today, sorry
[16:08:58] justinh: p1ngb4ck: I think you'll only need to change the 'tvformat' of the channel to 'default'
[16:09:01] p1ngb4ck: justinh : :S okay thats why I didnt find some =) thanks anyway
[16:09:21] justinh: if that field is empty, it'll be taken as a radio channel
[16:09:40] justinh: you should be able to change that in the channel editor in mythfrontend
[16:09:44] justinh: or in mythweb
[16:09:57] p1ngb4ck: yes, I can see those channels fine now, just wanted to have some interface improvement in live tv for these "sport portals"
[16:10:16] justinh: stupid broadcasters not marking their channels up properly
[16:10:22] justinh: who wants 'sub' channels anyway?
[16:10:35] justinh: go to channel X, press MENU, NEXT, NEXT, UP.. SELECT
[16:10:38] justinh: MEH
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[16:11:27] justinh: oh, you might want to try enabling 'interactive TV' in mythfrontend.
[16:11:30] p1ngb4ck: I will simply rebuild the portal-remote-buttons to irexec functions that switch to the correct channel and Im fine I think ;D
[16:11:43] justinh: those 'special' channels might be linked to with MHEG
[16:11:48] p1ngb4ck: justinh : oh yes will try that option
[16:12:17] justinh: don't be surprised if you find they're not done that way, but it's something to try
[16:12:20] p1ngb4ck: justinh : you are right, sometimes I think I get blind or 2 old or both^^
[16:13:41] justinh: meh. you can't change the tvstandard of channels in mythweb
[16:14:04] justinh: I might submit a patch to remove all the silly 'hue, brightness, contrast' junk
[16:14:09] p1ngb4ck: no problem, will do it for these channels in mythtv-setup
[16:14:27] p1ngb4ck: ands sort out all those unnecerssary channels in phpadmin directly afterwards
[16:14:29] justinh: mythtv doesn't actually store any PIDs of channels, so that's good :-)
[16:14:57] p1ngb4ck: I should be fine if I just delete channels directly in the database?
[16:15:04] justinh: I wouldn't
[16:15:12] justinh: set the channels you don't want to 'hidden'
[16:15:31] p1ngb4ck: no way for > 1700 channels
[16:15:32] justinh: that might not be ideal though, because get this, some features in mythtv don't filter hidden channels
[16:16:06] justinh: people in the know here don't generally advise users to operate directly on the database
[16:16:19] justinh: if you want to do stuff yourself, don't come crying here about it :P
[16:16:19] p1ngb4ck: yeah I knoiw
[16:16:22] p1ngb4ck: *know
[16:16:47] p1ngb4ck: I am not going to set any other thing directly in the database .. except deleting unwanted channels
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[16:17:22] p1ngb4ck: there is no other option simply .. mythweb cant handle 1700 channels at once (need to modify phpß.ini due to input_vars_max)
[16:17:42] ** justinh thinks.. how am I going to get my raspberry pi on the network, where I want to put it? **
[16:17:54] p1ngb4ck: and deleting 1700 channels in mythtv manually would be a horrortrip
[16:17:59] justinh: hahaha
[16:18:05] justinh: ETOOMANYCHANNELS
[16:18:40] justinh: I wonder how many of those channels also end up with you having unused transponders in the database too
[16:18:50] p1ngb4ck: ! typical german dvb-s :D
[16:19:34] justinh: no wonder there's hardly anything worth watching on TV
[16:19:52] justinh: talent is too thinly spread
[16:21:39] justinh: hmm I think I might just persist & try to make my USB IR blaster work instead of dicking about with the PI
[16:21:42] justinh: and sell the PI
[16:23:45] p1ngb4ck: ever had firefox want to stop phpmyadmin`s js-scripts because it takes too long to display 1,7k db entrys at once ;DD
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[16:25:09] justinh: who even *needs* so many channels?
[16:25:27] justinh: even with a few hundred channels there's too much to browse around
[16:25:52] p1ngb4ck: nobody. but mythtv channelscan finds all those channels, and I cant import, since I want to use EIT-EPG
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[16:26:21] justinh: I think importing was fixed for that
[16:26:30] p1ngb4ck: so I have to scan in mythtv, then sort out those 140 channels I want, and then sort them and build channelgroups
[16:26:32] justinh: so if you use > 0.24 you should be ok
[16:27:05] p1ngb4ck: no importing wasnt fixed for this, just asked few hours ago
[16:27:29] justinh: who said?
[16:27:39] p1ngb4ck: wagnerrp "himself" ;)
[16:27:43] justinh: ah ok
[16:28:02] justinh: I remember seeing a fix go in for .conf importing & EIT at some point, I'm sure
[16:28:23] justinh: maybe it was reverted, or maybe got broken again :P
[16:28:34] wagnerrp: justinh: was there? to be honest, i haven't been paying close attention to either
[16:28:44] wagnerrp: have no use for either of them
[16:29:13] p1ngb4ck: anyhows, as soon as i deleted all those 1,5k channels via phpmyadmin, rest is easy going
[16:29:26] justinh: yeah I think you import the .conf file then scan existing transports...
[16:30:17] justinh: be nice to have some kind of web-based channel wizard where you tell it where you are, what lineup you're entitled to.. then you don't even need to scan
[16:31:04] ** justinh wonders how the xmltv guys are getting on with their lineup definitions **
[16:31:14] p1ngb4ck: and since I had to downgrade to 0.25.3 anyhow, I dont know whether that patch has found the way to my local gentoo yet via those ebuilds available. I dont want to build mythfrontend on Win7 myself, so best way to go is using stable 0.25.3 frontend for win-64bit probably
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[16:36:02] justdave: I made the mistake up upgrading to 0.26. Now my livetv doesn't work anymore.
[16:36:31] justdave: Googling for the error message results in lots of threads in which the people reporting the same error simply get told "Stop using LiveTV, nobody should be using it anymore"
[16:36:52] justinh: and? :-)
[16:36:58] justdave: and if that's really the answer, then WTF does MythTV even claim to support it?
[16:37:55] justinh: because they want you to use tvheadend :P
[16:38:04] justinh: (kidding)
[16:38:33] justinh: I tried licetv last night by accident. Oh boy
[16:38:41] justinh: slow much? LOL
[16:38:58] wagnerrp: and so itchy too...
[16:39:51] justinh: justdave: personally, I don't use livetv mostly because it's so unusable.. but then I find the way I work around the problem is better for me in the longrun anyway
[16:40:22] justinh: if we want to watch anything live at home, we switch inputs on the TV
[16:40:40] justinh: so we can't pause or rewind. BOO HOO
[16:41:18] justdave: yeah, that's my problem is I have two TVs in places where there aren't cable outlets, so streaming it to the TV is the only way to even get Live TV on them.
[16:41:33] justinh: licetv all started going downhill when people 'voted' to be able to keep live recordings
[16:41:40] justinh: or something
[16:42:21] justinh: it's all getting fixx0red in that project with the silly name, allegedly. Get people talking those guys into coming back
[16:42:28] wagnerrp: the issue has always been that no one with the will to work on that area of the code actually has any need for live tv
[16:42:43] wagnerrp: so it's always nothing more than something on the backburner to do when there's nothing else to work on
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[16:43:19] justinh: maybe justdave has a point though.. if it's not treated as any kind of priority by any of the developers, take it off the features list
[16:44:22] wagnerrp: i know at least jy a uses it, and he claims it works fine for the input types he's using
[16:44:40] justinh: I'd heard it was mostly analogue tuners it was spannered for
[16:45:19] wagnerrp: last time i tried it, my digital tuners generally worked well, but every several channel changes, it would get goobered
[16:45:27] justdave: I have two analog tuners and a digital tuner
[16:45:34] justinh: wagnerrp: well yuh, or he'd be on fixing it by now.
[16:45:37] justdave: unfortunately it usually seems to default to the analog one
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[16:45:49] justdave: and the error dumps back to the menu before I can switch
[16:46:07] wagnerrp: you could go into mythtv setup and change the livetv tuner ordering
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[16:46:22] wagnerrp: you can now control that independently of the recording ordering
[16:46:43] justinh: so nobody has any kind of clue where things are going wrong?
[16:47:03] justinh: if this is just a classic 'no info, no fix' issue, people have only themselves to blame
[16:47:35] wagnerrp: i believe the issue of being unable to rewind back before a show change has been recently fixed
[16:47:38] wagnerrp: or at least discovered
[16:47:53] justinh: I know where 6 seconds of my channel change time goes... the scheduler
[16:48:25] wagnerrp: not sure if anyone is actively working on the analog issue
[16:48:41] justinh: the rest is... presumably waiting for the tuner card's valves to warm up or something
[16:49:09] justinh: wagnerrp: maybe the people with the ability/inclination to fix it don't have the right kind of setups anymore
[16:51:05] justinh: anyway, it's all kind of 'how long is a piece of string'
[16:51:27] justinh: I couldn't really care either way. Hell, I don't even watch much TV these days
[16:51:49] RobertLaptop: Live TV works fine for me. Under .26 until my last update. I have been all digitial for some time. Love my SD Prime Box.
[16:52:01] wagnerrp: i should get back to work on this housekeeper stuff, since it's the first part of a number of things i want to commit
[16:52:23] justdave: I'd love to provide info if anyone told me what to collect.
[16:52:32] justdave: tuner reordering sounds like an idea. where do I do that?
[16:52:39] wagnerrp: it's just so hard to get motivated after X crashes and you have dozens of vi temp files to recover
[16:54:47] justdave: is that in mythtv-setup? not finding it in the setup menus from a client
[16:55:49] RobertLaptop: Are you seeing anything in /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log ?
[16:55:52] justinh: prolly is in mythtv-setup
[16:56:08] justdave: RobertLaptop: not a damn thing since I upgraded
[16:56:14] justdave: looks like it's all going to syslog now
[16:56:25] justdave: but I'm not seeing much there either
[16:57:05] RobertLaptop: I guess you could play with the debugging level? On the frontend startup.
[16:57:06] wagnerrp: it's on the second page of input connections
[16:57:45] wagnerrp: mythtv logs to where ever you tell it to on the command line
[16:58:02] wagnerrp: so whatever is running mythtv, check the specific command, and it will tell you where the logs are going
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[17:01:03] justdave: there's a second page on input connections?
[17:01:11] justdave: all I see is the list of connections
[17:01:16] justdave: how do I get to a second page?
[17:01:21] wagnerrp: open one up, there are two pages of settings
[17:01:38] wagnerrp: perhaps that would make it the third page
[17:02:02] justdave: ahh... ok. it's a priority number on each one, not something to pick from the ones that are there.
[17:02:36] wagnerrp: that does make configuration a bit tedious
[17:02:48] wagnerrp: it should be handled better once we move to the web-based setup
[17:08:01] justdave: whadayaknow, digital works just fine
[17:08:12] justdave: good thing I actually have a digital tuner in the mix :)
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[17:27:42] dcope: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116064 is this card supported? wiki doesn't mention
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[17:30:25] wagnerrp: do you need PCI? or can you do PCIe?
[17:30:38] dcope: need PCI. i'm about to buy a new video card that is PCIe
[17:30:59] wagnerrp: and you only have the one PCIe slot? sounds like a very old computer
[17:32:40] wagnerrp: the HVR-1100/-1110/-1120 are supported in linux, and those are the DVB-T variant of that card
[17:32:48] wagnerrp: however i don't know anything about the -1150 specifically
[17:33:07] dcope: wagnerrp: perhaps i have more, i'll check
[17:33:15] wagnerrp: i've been using a -1250 for 4–5 years now, but that's a PCIe card
[17:33:57] dcope: wagnerrp: ah, i actually have 2 PCIe
[17:34:47] dcope: hm, newegg doesn't carry any models you mentioend wagnerrp
[17:35:23] wagnerrp: no, they wouldn't, because newegg only sells to north america
[17:35:28] wagnerrp: dvb-t is used in europe
[17:36:25] dcope: ah
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[17:38:09] dcope: wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Analog_Hardware_Encoder_Cards
[17:38:22] dcope: it seems like compatability charts are spread across the wiki... based on this i will need a 1600
[17:39:19] wagnerrp: wait... do you need analog or digital?
[17:39:32] dcope: wagnerrp: digital. i just bought a digital antenna yesterday.
[17:39:54] dcope: newegg says all of these support ClearQAM (digital)
[17:40:22] wagnerrp: there are many cards that support digital and are PCI, are supported, and are cheaper than a hauppauge
[17:40:41] wagnerrp: generally, you buy a hauppauge card because you need to do analog, and you want hardware compression instead of a framegrabber
[17:41:09] wagnerrp: if you're lacking in space, you could get something like a HDHomeRun
[17:41:16] dcope: i have plenty of space
[17:41:19] wagnerrp: it's an external box that sits anywhere on your (wired) network
[17:41:27] dcope: yeah, i looked at those and decided against it
[17:41:34] dcope: i just built a htpc so space is fine
[17:41:58] wagnerrp: if you "just built" it, you should have many pcie slots
[17:42:10] wagnerrp: modern systems are generally scarce on old PCI slots, not new PCIe ones
[17:43:07] dcope: yes, i have quite a few avaliable slots. http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13 . . . -Z03?$S640W$
[17:43:25] dcope: that's a photo of my motherboard in which no slots are occupied, but a PCIe 3.0 will soon be by my new video card
[17:44:11] wagnerrp: so four PCIe slots and only two PCI slots
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[17:49:58] dcope: wagnerrp: what do you think of this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116024
[17:50:10] dcope: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1250 appears it is supported, too
[17:50:25] wagnerrp: as mentioned, i've been using one for close to five years
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[17:51:26] dcope: wagnerrp: cool... so i can just plug in my digital antenna and will be good to go?
[17:51:34] wagnerrp: should be
[17:51:36] dcope: wagnerrp: fwiw, i'm using myth as backend for xbmc
[17:51:49] wagnerrp: don't know anything about xbmc
[17:53:00] dcope: cool, i guess i will go with this one. thank you so much for the help, wagnerrp :D
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[17:55:41] mythelpme: hey all
[17:55:56] mythelpme: i'm trying to get an infinitv4 pcie configured with myth
[17:56:27] mythelpme: but running "live tv" from the frontend just pops up to a blank screen, then back to the menu
[17:56:38] mythelpme: http://pastebin.com/A8A2q1ma
[17:56:52] mythelpme: is the terminal output from mythfrontend
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[17:57:13] wagnerrp: we need backend logs, not frontend
[17:57:16] mythelpme: it suggests checking the backend log
[17:57:27] mythelpme: are backend logs enabled by default?
[17:57:38] mythelpme: ./var/log/mythtv is empty
[17:58:00] wagnerrp: all logging is configured by whatever command line flags you used when you ran mythbackend
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[18:13:05] mythelpme: backend log: http://pastebin.com/VQUMwgGZ
[18:13:46] mythelpme: fwiw, I can get video from /dev/ceton/ctn91xx_mpeg0_0 and tune manually from 192.168.200.1
[18:14:34] mythelpme: during the backend setup, I couldn't scan using the card
[18:14:51] mythelpme: but google searching said that wasn't unusual
[18:18:23] wagnerrp: yes, you can't scan. you must download a lineup from your schedules direct account
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[18:19:51] mythelpme: ok, I've subscribed to my cable lineup from schedulesdirect.org
[18:19:57] mythelpme: i've run mythfilldatabase
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[18:20:25] mythelpme: am i missing something?
[18:20:48] wagnerrp: usually you pull the lineup from within mythtv-setup, in the Video Sources section
[18:21:01] Oleg_: why am I getting this error when compiling mythtv from 0.26-fixes git branch:
[18:21:09] Oleg_: ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.26.so: undefined reference to `dvdnav_get_highlight_area_from_group'
[18:21:10] Oleg_: ?
[18:21:57] wagnerrp: probably means you need to clean out any stray compiled objects, and build from scratch
[18:22:02] mythelpme: is that the "fetch channels from listings source" within mythtv-setup?
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[18:22:21] wagnerrp: sometimes make gets a bit confused, and doesn't rebuild some object when it is supposed to
[18:23:08] Oleg_: wagnerrp, well, I still get the same error after running gmake distclean and then configuring and recompiling
[18:23:56] wagnerrp: try uninstalling the existing copy, to make sure it's not trying to link against the installed libraries
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[18:24:43] wagnerrp: although typically the headers should not be changing within the fixes branch
[18:24:54] wagnerrp: are you sure you're on the correct branch?
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[18:34:34] mythelpme: wagnerrp, thanks. turns out i failed to retreive the lineup from the video sources
[18:34:40] mythelpme: tv's working now! =)
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[18:35:25] Oleg_: wagnerrp, yes, I am on the fixes branch
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[19:24:01] Oleg_: wagnerrp, you were right. Uninstalling the existing copy did help me get rid of the issue
[19:24:04] Oleg_: thanks
[19:25:05] wagnerrp: it's only a problem because you're using the wrong parameters in your configure call, specifically the ones to fix configure not picking up on liblame
[19:25:29] wagnerrp: although to be honest, i haven't taken the time to figure out how to set that include properly to avoid this issue
[19:29:53] Oleg_: but now I am having the same problem that I had before. when I try to change a channel in mythfrontend, I get:
[19:29:56] Oleg_: 2013-01–21 14:27:56.022370 E RecBase(1:192.168.0.158–0): SetStrOption(...recordingtype): Option not in profile.
[19:29:56] Oleg_: Handling Segmentation fault: 11
[19:29:57] Oleg_: Segmentation fault (core dumped)
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[19:40:21] Oleg_: any idea what can I do to get rid of this segmentation fault problem?
[19:40:53] Oleg_: sphery, you said I would need to rebuild mythtv with the debugging support enabled?
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[19:43:25] wagnerrp: change the profile to debug, to prevent make from automatically stripping the binaries during install
[19:43:58] wagnerrp: is profile the right flag? can't recall...
[19:45:24] Oleg_: I am confused. how can I change the profile to debug?
[19:45:27] Oleg_: what should I do?
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[19:56:41] daniel1988: I am having an issue getting mythtv video to recognize videos that are in the storage directory "videos". I was wondering if there was any easy way for testing to make sure that all permissions and everything are setup correctly on the files/folders
[19:57:09] wagnerrp: run mythtv-setup as the correct user, it will perform the necessary checks
[19:59:01] daniel1988: Well I have done that, and it did throw an error at first. which I have since fixed. Hmm. I am using the web interface to scan for the collection. Any ideas or places to start? i have had it working before, but I have recently reinstalled everything and I can't seem to get it to work.
[19:59:15] wagnerrp: yes, don't use the web interface to scan the collection
[19:59:17] wagnerrp: it's broken
[19:59:36] daniel1988: Hmm, okay.
[20:00:43] daniel1988: so i should just run "mythutil --scanvideos" ?
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[20:01:06] Oleg_: wagnerrp, please explain to me how I can change the profile to "debug"
[20:01:10] wagnerrp: that should work, or just manually scan on the occasion you rip a new DVD, or copy some videos from your camera
[20:02:19] wagnerrp: "--compile-type=CTYPE one of release, profile, debug"
[20:04:11] daniel1988: Well thanks for giving me that idea. it appears there was actually a configuration error that was stopping it from running. The command line showed me the actual error! Thanks for the help!
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[21:00:17] Oleg_: wagnerrp, okay, so I started running mythfrontend inside gdb and when I tried to change a channel, I got:
[21:00:20] Oleg_: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[21:00:20] Oleg_: [Switching to Thread 82afea000 (LWP 101344)]
[21:00:20] Oleg_: 0x000000080cbc8c16 in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.7
[21:01:22] clever: Oleg_: need a backtrace
[21:02:00] Oleg_: how can I provide it?
[21:03:16] Oleg_: I simply need to follow these instructions: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html ?
[21:04:23] Oleg_: I need to type a command similar to this one:
[21:04:30] Oleg_: while true; do date >> gdb.txt; gdb mythbackend -x gdbcommands; done;
[21:04:31] Oleg_: ?
[21:07:31] clever: and you need to properly create gdbcommands
[21:08:23] Oleg_: well, I created that file and put in that file desribed on the site
[21:08:36] Oleg_: the instructions described on the site
[21:09:49] clever: once its done, you should have a backtrace in gdb.txt
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[21:14:15] Oleg_: clever, okay, I ran gdb751 mythfrontend -x gdbcommands
[21:14:40] Oleg_: but if I run it that way, I can't access the mythfrontend ui
[21:14:44] Oleg_: I can't change a channel
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[21:18:10] Oleg_: so, what should I do?
[21:18:32] clever: not sure
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[21:19:08] Oleg_: wagnerrp, please help
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[21:27:38] jm|laptop: I wonder if anyone has experienced an issue with upnp/dlna. I have a Panasonic Viera TV that finds MythTV and works pretty well, but when I pause and unpause it seems to skip forward about four minutes
[21:27:50] monkeypet69: so if I do edit, z, flag the commercial, then transcoding autodetect, it will do lossless commercial cutting?
[21:28:04] monkeypet69: mpg2->mpg2?
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[21:37:30] infinite: I am having a problem with the OS X version of MythTV. Whenever I try to play video (recorded or live TV) it starts playing and I can hear the audio, but the "please wait" screen never disappears and the video never appears.
[21:37:44] infinite: I have tried various video settings with no luck
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[21:39:01] infinite: I have it running under OS X 10.7 and I only downloaded it about a week ago so it should be the most current version
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[21:39:33] infinite: The backend is on a different system (Mythbuntu) and other front ends work fine, just not under OS X.
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[21:40:07] infinite: And in the OS X version everything works except the video
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[22:01:03] infinite: Forgot to mention, the OS X version of XBMC "Frodo" works fine to play videos and Live TV from the backend, it is only the actual OS X version of the MythTV frontend that won't play the video.
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[22:52:28] justinh: earth calling DLNA/UPnP... GO AWAY. Come back when you agree on a PROPER STANDARD, you ****s!
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[22:53:20] justinh: Universal* (* No, not even with stuff from the same manufacturer. HA-HA)
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[22:56:31] justinh: oh, and Inkscape, I think it's high time your 'prevent copies of gradients being created' tickbox actually did something
[22:57:10] justinh: make a lovely looking button, copy it a few dozen times... go to change the shading colours & find there are now 96 copies you have to change
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[23:59:46] mark2013: Using sudo aptitude purge myth backend, frontend and HomeRun config and then re-installing, and setting capture cards to Tuner Box and ID to serial number, there is no picture-sound under MythTV Frontend "Watch TV"

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