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| [00:00:15] | dekarl: | the last explanations sounds perfect, but I have a hard time to grok the query right now ;) (1am over here) |
| [00:00:42] | wagnerrp: | it pulls chanid and mplexid from channel, using the chanid provided, and stuff that into a fake table named 'sub' |
| [00:01:12] | wagnerrp: | it matches up anything belonging to the same mplexid, which will either be valid or 32727 |
| [00:01:24] | wagnerrp: | requires the serviceid match |
| [00:01:39] | wagnerrp: | and either requires a valid mplexid (not 32727), or requires the proper chanid |
| [00:02:21] | dekarl: | I'll test it and see how it goes |
| [00:02:51] | wagnerrp: | then just bind "WHERE chanid = :CHANID" and "WHERE c.serviceid = :SERVICEID" |
| [00:03:05] | wagnerrp: | in place of my "4642" and "1" test values |
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| [00:55:20] | skd5aner: | jheizer: ping – (again) |
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| [13:48:19] | justinh: | oh. apparently there might be an option I can use to fix WoL on the sky2 module |
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| [14:10:59] | pladijs: | I just updated to 0.26. I get "0" from "mythshutdown --check", or --status; even when logged into the frontend playing music. This is interfering with the automatic suspend I have set up. any ideas? |
| [14:12:09] | EvilGuru: | justinh: Sky2 as in the NIC driver? |
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| [14:31:29] | justinh: | EvilGuru: yeah |
| [14:31:43] | justinh: | legacy_pme apparently |
| [14:31:48] | justinh: | trying it now |
| [14:32:08] | justinh: | set it in /etc/modprobe.d then I've rebooted |
| [14:32:12] | EvilGuru: | I've had WoL working on such a chip; just had to enable it in the BIOS and twiddle some flag with either ifconfig or ethtool |
| [14:32:22] | justinh: | yeah SO HAVE I |
| [14:32:31] | justinh: | but then on a newer kernel it stopped working |
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| [14:32:43] | justinh: | damn piece of crap |
| [14:33:22] | justinh: | something to do with recent kernels now believing what the BIOS reports where they didn't before |
| [14:33:43] | justinh: | i.e. before now they just did whatever. now they check – and if the BIOS is broken or lying.. oops |
| [14:36:12] | justinh: | gah. apparently my option didn't do anything |
| [14:37:42] | justinh: | bugger. might be being set in mkinitcpio |
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| [15:33:46] | qwebirc62066: | Just upgraded my systems from 0.24 to 0.25 and noticed that commercial flagging is much worse.....I've googled this but can't seem to find anything that fits my setup....any ideas? |
| [15:37:46] | wagnerrp: | why not 0.26? |
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| [15:41:46] | qwebirc62066: | I had to go to 0.25 to upgrade to Mythbuntu 12.04....is commercial flagging better in 0.26....I haven't looked into the changes yet |
| [15:42:11] | wagnerrp: | i recall there being a bug in the frame ordering that broke things |
| [15:42:19] | wagnerrp: | but it was fixed a long time back |
| [15:43:13] | qwebirc62066: | I just saw a commit go by in 0.25 about h.264 commflagging but I'm recording OTA mpeg2 and s-video on a pvr-150 so mpeg2 as well |
| [15:44:28] | qwebirc62066: | this one https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/fa3eb . . . de52faaaec5a |
| [15:49:33] | EvilGuru: | qwebirc62066: PVR-150, old school |
| [15:49:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: why do people keep insisting on using ram filesystems for absurd things? |
| [15:50:38] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: For /tmp it is security, but I have seen a lot of crazy uses to try and extend SSD life |
| [15:50:45] | qwebirc62066: | yup....still runs quite nicely though....records my SD satellite feed |
| [15:50:59] | wagnerrp: | and for... recordings? |
| [15:51:04] | EvilGuru: | Once had someone ask how to switch to a swapfile so it could be used on a ramdrive |
| [15:51:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, more "let's put the DB in a RAM filesystem" stuff? |
| [15:51:28] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Frequently_A . . . ;oldid=56493 |
| [15:51:55] | sphery: | hehe |
| [15:51:57] | wagnerrp: | evilguru: i'm not saying there aren't perfectly good circumstances to using a ramfs |
| [15:52:04] | sphery: | what a waste of a couple GB of otherwise-useful RAM |
| [15:52:29] | wagnerrp: | but if you've actually got enough memory to throw at one such that livetv would actually function properly |
| [15:52:30] | sphery: | at least if they lose the file system, they only create an orphaned Live TV metadata (and losing the actual recording is probably unimporant) |
| [15:52:37] | sphery: | rather than breaking their whole DB |
| [15:52:42] | wagnerrp: | surely you've got at least one decent disk you could use for it too |
| [15:52:58] | sphery: | that said, I'd argue that suggestion isn't a good one--and especially not for a FAQ |
| [15:53:02] | wagnerrp: | chances are you've got an array of them |
| [15:53:03] | sphery: | yeah, agreed |
| [15:53:07] | qwebirc62066: | I must have come in on the middle of the conversation....I'm assuming this ram fs has nothing to do with my commflag question? |
| [15:53:12] | sphery: | and if you don't have a decent disk, you can get one for cheap |
| [15:53:12] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Frequently_A . . . ;oldid=57068 |
| [15:53:24] | wagnerrp: | qwebirc62066: ranting about idiots on the wiki |
| [15:53:25] | sphery: | MythTV is Free, but having a good MythTV system costs money |
| [15:53:45] | qwebirc62066: | ah...continue on then :) |
| [15:53:48] | sphery: | cool, thanks for taking care of that |
| [15:54:35] | sphery: | qwebirc62066: not much has been done with commercial detection in recent years |
| [15:55:06] | sphery: | it's slowly "transmit rotting" (by which I mean that changes in the way shows are encoded and transmitted is causing it to be less reliable over time |
| [15:55:44] | qwebirc62066: | is it possible to go back to 0.24 commflagging?....I noticed it right away on my new recordings |
| [15:55:45] | sphery: | and it's still primarily only useful for people in the US (because no one outside the US has put in much of any time in tuning it for their particular TV encoding/transmissions) |
| [15:56:10] | EvilGuru: | sphery: For some channels here in the UK it often works reasonably well |
| [15:56:16] | qwebirc62066: | so I'm pretty sure my channels haven't degradded in a couple days |
| [15:56:34] | sphery: | if there's a problem with 0.25's commercial detection, such that it's less reliable than 0.24's, the problem is likely in the ffmpeg libraries used by MythTV |
| [15:56:53] | qwebirc62066: | I'm in Canada....so close enough to US tv I think |
| [15:56:57] | sphery: | at which point your best bet is to go to the currently-supported version of MythTV (0.26), as each new version gets a new ffmpeg |
| [15:57:19] | sphery: | that said, I can't guarantee you'll get good results with that |
| [15:57:35] | sphery: | but, IMHO, far too many people are using (and expecting support for) old versions of MythTV |
| [15:58:13] | sphery: | which is splitting focus and making us waste time on fixing old bugs in old, superseded versions of MythTV |
| [15:58:37] | sphery: | so it would be nice if people would just jump in the waters and--if they find problems--help fix the current version |
| [15:58:43] | qwebirc62066: | I'm usually always up to date with software but got stuck on myth 0.24 because of nvidia issues with mythbuntu |
| [15:59:39] | qwebirc62066: | you're right...there's no reason for me to stay on 0.25 now that my systems are updated....just thought I'd take it one step at a time |
| [15:59:42] | sphery: | yeah, it's fine if you don't upgrade immediately to the released version, but I'm suggesting instead of going back from unsupported to even-older unsupported, you move forward if you find a problem |
| [16:00:08] | sphery: | but the only way to downgrade is to restore a pre-upgrade database backup (and lose anything you've done since the upgrade) |
| [16:00:20] | sphery: | possibly sticking new recordings into Video Library to watch |
| [16:00:23] | EvilGuru: | I think a lot of people treat mythtv boxes like appliances |
| [16:00:32] | sphery: | yeah, that's fine |
| [16:00:52] | EvilGuru: | I know I do not touch mine until something breaks/a new feature is implemented that I want/need |
| [16:01:07] | sphery: | but if you do, don't say, "Can we backport this to <unsupported version>", because, obviously, if your appliance has worked well enough that you can't be bothered to upgrade to a newer version, you don't need that fix |
| [16:01:09] | qwebirc62066: | I don't want to downgrade....just wanted to know what changed so drastically by upgrading |
| [16:01:39] | sphery: | anyway, I may be a bit jaded right now--I've just been very disappointed at the number of requests for backports to 0.25 or--worse--0.24 |
| [16:01:48] | sphery: | since 0.26 was released |
| [16:01:55] | sphery: | and while we're working towards a 0.27 |
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| [16:02:07] | qwebirc62066: | I'm definitely in your camp....don't backport |
| [16:02:38] | sphery: | yeah, just explaining a bit of why I'm up on my soap box here--and that it's not your fault/due to your question |
| [16:02:43] | qwebirc62066: | I'll try out 0.26 and see if it's any better.....and then come back and ask :) |
| [16:03:14] | sphery: | it's just that it got me thinking about it and so I went farther down the path than I needed to from your question |
| [16:03:33] | sphery: | qwebirc62066: so, specifically, what's not working as well |
| [16:03:34] | qwebirc62066: | I didn't realize it probably has a lot to do with ffmpeg...should have known that |
| [16:03:47] | sphery: | is it just mythcommflag dying and recordings ending up with no flag list? |
| [16:04:26] | qwebirc62066: | I get maybe one commercial break flagged and then it jumps to the end |
| [16:05:07] | sphery: | hmm, that might be something like what wagnerrp mentioned |
| [16:05:09] | qwebirc62066: | where as before I'd get them all....but they may be a little off....eg. comes back at the promo for another show first |
| [16:05:18] | sphery: | you should definitely try the most-current -fixes of your version |
| [16:05:22] | qwebirc62066: | not a big deal but they were close enough |
| [16:05:42] | sphery: | http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos |
| [16:05:56] | qwebirc62066: | I don't think I've checked to see if mythcommflag is actually failing....that could be the issue |
| [16:06:11] | sphery: | if it fails, you should have "Not flagged" messages |
| [16:06:22] | qwebirc62066: | I'm running 0.25 fixes...with the repo enabled |
| [16:06:24] | sphery: | (i.e. no markers) |
| [16:06:34] | qwebirc62066: | oh....I'm not getting that |
| [16:06:44] | sphery: | yeah, then I'd suggest getting 0.26-fixes and trying that |
| [16:07:24] | qwebirc62066: | ok....I'll give it a try....anything major to watch out for doing the upgrade?....0.25 was fine |
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| [16:08:06] | qwebirc62066: | I did read about the mysql.txt file going away....do I just make sure config.xml is correct? |
| [16:09:15] | wagnerrp: | i may have just started a bit of a flame war... http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /345700.html |
| [16:11:41] | jheizer: | hahahaha |
| [16:12:59] | jheizer: | I got a RPi for the hell of it and while I want it to be neat, it is just not that useful. I think it is going to become a UPnP rendered for music. |
| [16:13:05] | jheizer: | *rendered |
| [16:13:22] | jheizer: | *RENDERER ugh |
| [16:13:33] | wagnerrp: | third time's the charm |
| [16:13:57] | jheizer: | Damn fingers just typing whatever they want. |
| [16:16:13] | jheizer: | I find the little guys like this much more interesting having a quad core A9 http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/produc . . . 135341370451 |
| [16:16:49] | wagnerrp: | a quad core A9 IS much more interesting than the puny ARM11 in the Pi |
| [16:17:14] | wagnerrp: | but as far as mythtv is concerned, there are too many things that are not multithreaded to be of much use |
| [16:17:52] | jheizer: | Yeah and I am still talking about use on the 4th tv in a family of 2 (well now 3) |
| [16:18:28] | jheizer: | Main FEs need that nice smooth reliablility that comes with an actual system |
| [16:18:30] | wagnerrp: | that's impressively small |
| [16:18:45] | jheizer: | right?!? |
| [16:18:47] | wagnerrp: | exynos... that's samsung? |
| [16:19:05] | jheizer: | I guess |
| [16:19:18] | jheizer: | I have not researched much about these yet myself other than reading this page |
| [16:19:33] | jheizer: | Just saw a link to them somewhere a few weeks ago. |
| [16:19:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe |
| [16:19:46] | wagnerrp: | gigabit would be nice, it does make a noticeable difference when doing things like seeking |
| [16:19:56] | sphery: | Overclocked my rPi to at least 1997! |
| [16:20:01] | jheizer: | HAhahaha |
| [16:20:21] | wagnerrp: | now THAT would start a flame war |
| [16:20:41] | jheizer: | I was actually going to update and try the RPi again this weekend. Couldn't find the stupid little thing. |
| [16:20:44] | wagnerrp: | ooh, 2GB of memory |
| [16:20:55] | wagnerrp: | infinately more useful than the 256MB on an rpi |
| [16:21:03] | jheizer: | not often you can lose and entire PC in your office somewhere... |
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| [16:21:40] | sphery: | yeah, exynos is Samsung |
| [16:21:49] | sphery: | their new one (4?) is a nice one |
| [16:22:09] | sphery: | octo-core with big.LITTLE (ugghhh, I hate the TM) design |
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| [16:22:32] | wagnerrp: | i thought that was logically only a quad core |
| [16:22:34] | sphery: | but rather than quad for the big and single for the little, it's quad/quad with different cores |
| [16:22:39] | jheizer: | Yeah good proc, great ram, 1080p/HDMI, Ethernet on its own USB host, and pretty cheap |
| [16:22:51] | sphery: | ah, exynos 5 |
| [16:23:02] | wagnerrp: | and the microcode would internally swap between high and low performance as demand required |
| [16:23:06] | sphery: | One cluster is a high performance, high power, high frequency CPU running at 1.8GHz, using the ARM Cortex A15 architecture, while the other is a low power, lower performance processor running at 1.2GHz and using only one-sixth of the energy to run the ARM Cortex A7 architecture, which the previous generation Exynos 4 also used. |
| [16:23:56] | sphery: | and, yeah, only 4 cores used at any time |
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| [16:24:26] | sphery: | just like the Tegra 3's using either 1 core or 4 and can't be used as a "5-core" |
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| [16:25:01] | sphery: | I don't get why core gating seems so uncommon on ARM, though--I'd think they'd be able to dynamically enable/disable cores, like they do in the x86 designs |
| [16:25:16] | jheizer: | OUCH |
| [16:25:17] | jheizer: | Item total : $89.00 |
| [16:25:17] | jheizer: | Shipping and handling : $30.00 |
| [16:25:17] | jheizer: | Total : $119.00 |
| [16:25:34] | sphery: | wonder if there's still enough current leakage/usage to make that a bad approach for mobile |
| [16:26:14] | jheizer: | Adding power adapter and eMMC card takes it to $153 shipped. |
| [16:27:33] | sphery: | I'm happy with my AMD Athlon II based systems for ~$150 with Mobo/CPU/RAM/PSU/Case |
| [16:27:47] | jheizer: | Really |
| [16:28:04] | wagnerrp: | you can still buy them? |
| [16:28:11] | sphery: | they use the same power as an rPi or Atom or ... when turned off, too! |
| [16:28:20] | jheizer: | Only I wish the one X2 FE had bought in mini-itx form had a pice slot so I could put in a nvidia card. |
| [16:28:22] | sphery: | (i.e. turning off the system when not in use is the way to save power) |
| [16:28:34] | sphery: | I haven't bought one in a while, so I don't know |
| [16:28:34] | jheizer: | moved to HDPVR the month after I got it. |
| [16:28:53] | sphery: | I also have to do some testing of the new APU designs--to see how power usage shakes out |
| [16:29:12] | sphery: | I'd expect the much-higher TDPs are due to the fact that you now have the TDP of the CPU /and/ the GPU all included |
| [16:29:30] | jheizer: | yeah |
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| [16:29:48] | sphery: | and I'd /hope/ that when you disable the onboard GPU in BIOS (so you can use an NVIDIA with VDPAU for rendering) that the GPU is actually taking virtually no power |
| [16:29:58] | sphery: | but I can't find anything to say whether that's the case or not |
| [16:30:06] | sphery: | perhaps I should write a request-for-article to Tom's |
| [16:30:46] | sphery: | (though the Windows users would likely use some sort of on-APU-GPU plus discrete hybrid approach, so may not care so much) |
| [16:33:31] | sphery: | hmmm, newegg still has a couple of Athlon II's--including an X2 270 Regor @ 3.4GHz/65W TDP ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103953 ) as well as an X3 450 @ 3.2GHz (95W) and an X4 640 Propus @ 3.0GHz (95W) |
| [16:33:53] | sphery: | the Regor would be just a faster version of the same I have now (including same TDP) |
| [16:34:12] | sphery: | and about the same price as I've been paying |
| [16:34:26] | sphery: | so all that's left is to find the great sales on mobo/cpu/ram/psu/case |
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| [16:34:51] | sphery: | though I'd still be interested in buying and doing some preliminary/rough-grained testing on an APU |
| [16:35:56] | sphery: | oh, and for a frontend, I'd need to find a great deal on an nvidia to have what I want--though since I got my GT220 for $8.99, and they made the 4xx and 6xx series not so good for VDPAU, I haven't seen such a nice deal :( |
| [16:36:15] | jheizer: | $8.99 Nice! |
| [16:36:41] | jheizer: | Damn newegg's new order history |
| [16:36:48] | sphery: | yeah, newegg shell shocker deals |
| [16:36:51] | jheizer: | Search: AMD No results found... |
| [16:37:45] | jheizer: | finally found it by hear |
| [16:38:03] | sphery: | this one is interesting... a 3.4GHz (3.6GHz Turbo) Trinity APU with 65W TDP: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113283 |
| [16:38:03] | jheizer: | was trying to remember exactly which X6 my MBE was |
| [16:38:46] | jheizer: | I have have one of those Fusion boards sitting in a box at my parents. |
| [16:38:48] | sphery: | there's a 3.6GHz/3.8GHz Trinity at 65W, too, but it's $20 more (not worth it for 200MHz) |
| [16:38:56] | sphery: | on a MythTV box, that is |
| [16:39:04] | jheizer: | (Work for Dad, build our own servers for work) |
| [16:39:33] | jheizer: | we may have been using one as a cheap linux server/file server for a bit before we overhauled things |
| [16:39:40] | jheizer: | to a sas san |
| [16:39:48] | sphery: | last time I'd looked they only had the Llano's at 65W, but they were in the 2.5GHz range, which isn't ideal for software decoding of high-res, high-bitrate HDTV |
| [16:40:32] | sphery: | wow, there's even a quad-core 3.2GHz/3.7GHz Trinity @65W, but it's $104.99 |
| [16:41:08] | sphery: | so, I'm once again excited about the current offerings--to the point that I may have to just buy another box to play with :) |
| [16:41:19] | sphery: | and see what this APU thing is like |
| [16:41:19] | jheizer: | Hahaha |
| [16:41:38] | jheizer: | got hard in there too as the latest core uses the older cpu cores as the new ones in first get APU were slower |
| [16:41:40] | jheizer: | or what ever |
| [16:41:56] | jheizer: | between that abd building a few i7 machines for work I have just lost touch with everything AMD |
| [16:42:04] | jheizer: | even though we use to use them exclusively |
| [16:42:17] | ** EvilGuru is waiting for AMD to support SMEP ** | |
| [16:42:20] | jheizer: | crap |
| [16:42:31] | sphery: | the worst part of the way I buy--which is heavily dependent on sales and rebates--is that once I find my $150 system, I can't really say, "See, it can be done," on the list to those who say, "I have to buy a $250 Atom because it's way too expensive to buy a proper computer," because all the sales and rebates change weekly or sooner |
| [16:42:32] | jheizer: | I only have 1 AMD box left in this house running I think |
| [16:43:15] | wagnerrp: | SMEP? |
| [16:43:43] | wagnerrp: | "sperm meets egg plan" |
| [16:43:47] | wagnerrp: | i don't think that's it... |
| [16:43:56] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Supervisory Mode Execution Protection |
| [16:43:56] | jheizer: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervisor_mode_ . . . n_protection |
| [16:43:57] | sphery: | yeah, I buy AMD because it's plenty of performance for what I do (where MythTV is the most-CPU/GPU required application I have) and without the Intel name tax |
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| [16:44:19] | jheizer: | yeah all my how stuff had been AMD to Atom FEs |
| [16:44:29] | jheizer: | my and wife's new laptop are both i5s though |
| [16:45:00] | EvilGuru: | Software emulation of SMEP is annoyingly slow (although worthwhile) |
| [16:45:07] | sphery: | so that goes beyond to the NEX to say "allowed to execute, but not at supervisor mode"? |
| [16:45:23] | EvilGuru: | sphery: Yeah, makes kernel exploitation a lot harder |
| [16:46:08] | jheizer: | ah |
| [16:46:32] | sphery: | yeah, sounds good, but not a concern for me/my mythtv boxes :) |
| [16:46:45] | jheizer: | yeah |
| [16:46:48] | sphery: | (as I know there's plenty of much easier exploits on those boxes) |
| [16:46:58] | EvilGuru: | Mythtv probably not, but a firewall system, say |
| [16:47:02] | sphery: | that said, probably good for real servers |
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| [16:48:40] | jheizer: | This article says AMD had them first http://lensfire.in/2011/09/intel-introduces-s . . . ature-80649/ |
| [16:48:55] | jheizer: | I was trying to find a list of cpus that support it |
| [16:49:20] | EvilGuru: | AMD had NX first, but currently only Ivy Bridge has it (AFAIK) |
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| [16:58:31] | jheizer: | eh |
| [16:58:39] | jheizer: | too hard to figure out all these chips anymore |
| [16:58:55] | jheizer: | was trying to see if my new ivy mobile chip had it or not |
| [16:59:41] | jheizer: | need to make they damn chio naming easier. Ex: dekstop i5 = quad core, no HT while Mobile: dual core w/ HT |
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| [17:00:16] | wagnerrp: | if they make the naming easier, customers won't be confused and won't opt for a higher version |
| [17:00:34] | jheizer: | haha pretty much |
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| [17:02:37] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [17:03:26] | jheizer: | and on mobile i5=i3 without the turbo boost. Took a while to decide if it was worth the extra $ for the wife. haha |
| [17:04:36] | jheizer: | At least win8 is usable with a classic start menu app installed for a multitaksing developer such as myself. |
| [17:05:11] | wagnerrp: | you mean you don't like using non-touchscreen computers like a giant touchscreen tablet? |
| [17:05:21] | wagnerrp: | everyone wants tablets |
| [17:06:24] | jheizer: | haha I love explaining to people why they would hate a tablet |
| [17:07:15] | jheizer: | First example I use is "Hey, you know how you hate trying to get the cursor in just the right spot to fix something on your phone? Imagine doing that every time you typed up anything." |
| [17:07:30] | wagnerrp: | what are these "gorilla arms" you speak of? |
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| [17:08:28] | jheizer: | haha yeah then I say here it s picture of my desk http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/heezer . . . 24094331.jpg |
| [17:08:41] | jheizer: | Imagine how tired I would be touching those screens alllllll day |
| [17:08:49] | jheizer: | Have ripped arms though. |
| [17:10:31] | wagnerrp: | mine's not dissimilar |
| [17:10:36] | wagnerrp: | smaller monitors though |
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| [17:11:17] | jheizer: | Main one is now a 16:10 6 more lines of code over 16:9 :) |
| [17:12:42] | wagnerrp: | those are hard to come by these days |
| [17:12:57] | jheizer: | yeah |
| [17:13:02] | jheizer: | Dell had this one |
| [17:13:10] | jheizer: | still only 1920x1200 in 24" |
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| [17:13:22] | wagnerrp: | everyone seems to think 16:9 is the size they want, even though 16:9 was a poor compromise to begin with |
| [17:13:39] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i don't know why no one is making higher density desktop monitors |
| [17:13:49] | wagnerrp: | my 15" laptop is 1600x1200 |
| [17:13:58] | jheizer: | nice |
| [17:14:06] | jheizer: | I wanted a higher res in my new 13.3" |
| [17:14:13] | wagnerrp: | for a while, manufacturers used to sell 1920x1200 in a 15.4" screen |
| [17:14:18] | jheizer: | only option iwas a MB Pro |
| [17:14:28] | jheizer: | yeah I know even they suck |
| [17:14:33] | jheizer: | wife wanted another 15" |
| [17:14:41] | jheizer: | but they were all same resolution as the 14" |
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| [17:14:49] | jheizer: | but better performance options |
| [17:14:52] | jheizer: | for the $ |
| [17:15:41] | jheizer: | I can survive on a 13" 1366x768 for MobileMyth and other fun projects |
| [17:15:48] | jheizer: | but serious work needs the desktop |
| [17:16:06] | jheizer: | Just got http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009D1V9RA/r . . . _o09_s00_i00 on sale for $800 |
| [17:16:51] | jheizer: | Best laptop I have ever had by far and super cheap. |
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| [17:26:27] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: I got a 1920x1200 on my 15" ThinkPad, can't get that anymore :( |
| [17:27:39] | EvilGuru: | I think Dell are trying to push a 2560x1080 screen now |
| [17:29:17] | wagnerrp: | 2560x1440? |
| [17:30:08] | jheizer: | at least apple is helping to push it to other machines |
| [17:30:18] | jheizer: | hopefully it increases over the next few years |
| [17:31:05] | wagnerrp: | but apple is pushing their "retina displays", implying that there will never be any improvement beyond that resolution |
| [17:31:10] | wagnerrp: | which is flat out wrong |
| [17:33:05] | jheizer: | true |
| [17:33:21] | jheizer: | then again I am betting win8 pushes more hoe users to macs than ever before |
| [17:33:26] | jheizer: | *home |
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| [17:43:54] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Nope, 2560x1080: U2913WM at 29" |
| [17:44:16] | EvilGuru: | Why anyone would go for it over a 27" at 2560x1440 or 30" at 2560x1600 I don't know |
| [17:44:26] | EvilGuru: | But someone must be making the panels |
| [17:45:05] | wagnerrp: | they just take a standard 1920x1080 panel, and cut it long |
| [17:46:03] | wagnerrp: | supposedly that's the reason why 720p panels are actually 1366x768 |
| [17:46:11] | wagnerrp: | something about it being more convenient for manufacturing |
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| [17:56:26] | sphery: | 2560x1080 is ~2.35:1 cinema resolution |
| [17:56:41] | sphery: | er, aspect |
| [17:57:06] | sphery: | I guess 2.39 (or 2.40) to 1, actually |
| [17:57:54] | wagnerrp: | i'd actually like that size in a TV |
| [17:58:09] | wagnerrp: | but for a monitor... i'll just use multiple |
| [17:58:16] | sphery: | agreed |
| [17:58:37] | sphery: | and use monitors with more pixels vertically--so you can display a full page in portrait |
| [17:58:52] | sphery: | (without shrinking it too small horizontally |
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| [18:58:54] | wagnerrp: | http://jalopnik.com/5975483/?post=56145416 |
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| [19:22:47] | dekarl1: | I wonder, why aren't our users going crazy about the MK808? After all it has twice whatever the Raspberry Pi has. Twice the cores, twice the CPU clock, twice the memory, even two wifi antennas and comes with android + the xbmc app... |
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| [19:23:26] | wagnerrp: | neever heard of it |
| [19:23:54] | dekarl: | yeah, that a good reason ;) |
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| [19:29:17] | dekarl: | I was introduced to it just today by a coworker with the words "Hey, here's a stick to turn your plain-old-TV into a SmartTV" |
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| [19:35:47] | ertyu-w: | I've caught a few of the myth crashes I'm experiencing in debug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/846417 https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/1098399 |
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| [19:48:54] | jarle: | What's up with mythlogserver running at 100% CPU (and several processes), is the logging really that CPU intensive??? |
| [19:49:23] | wagnerrp: | something in there gets caught in a busy loop |
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| [19:53:51] | jarle: | wagnerrp: so its a know bug? |
| [19:54:23] | wagnerrp: | i believe so |
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| [20:12:42] | bobo: | good evening |
| [20:13:07] | bobo: | i'm still havin trouble with the transmitted EIT schedule one hour behind for german dvb-t |
| [20:13:47] | bobo: | is there really no setting which affects the offset for transmitted EIT, just the system time? |
| [20:14:48] | runelind: | yay, I finally got my cablecard stuff figured out |
| [20:15:06] | runelind: | Comcast still had a filter on my connection outside >:| |
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| [20:15:55] | runelind: | if I can watch TV with the HD HomeRun QuickTV app, that means I should be able to watch it with MythTV as well, correct? |
| [20:16:05] | runelind: | in terms of channels being encrypted. |
| [20:16:37] | wagnerrp: | if quicktv can access encrypted channels, so can mythtv |
| [20:16:45] | runelind: | good deal. |
| [20:16:49] | wagnerrp: | i'm just not certain if quicktv can access copy protected channels, as mythtv cannot |
| [20:17:23] | runelind: | I don't think Comcast does copy protected channels – maybe just HBO and Starz, but I don't care about those. |
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| [20:17:43] | wagnerrp: | that's what most find, they only protect the premiums |
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| [20:19:51] | runelind: | now I just have to dig into the documentation to get my HDHomeRun configured with my mythbackend |
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| [20:21:58] | ** ertyu-w wonders if wagnerrp has a few minutes to look at the bugs I posted or if there was an answer while I was disconnected ** | |
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| [20:23:46] | wagnerrp: | don't know anything about the video decoding stuff |
| [20:24:36] | ertyu-w: | how about the mythfilldatabase crash? |
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| [20:25:31] | wagnerrp: | what MFD crash? |
| [20:25:31] | runelind: | wow, X Forwarded myth-setup over a VPN is painful :) |
| [20:25:59] | wagnerrp: | runelind: it's all in the latency |
| [20:26:22] | runelind: | wagnerrp: aye, 160ms |
| [20:26:43] | wagnerrp: | X11 does not deal with latency well |
| [20:27:06] | wagnerrp: | anything over a few dozen ms and you're better off with something like VNC, or maybe NX |
| [20:27:15] | ertyu-w: | wagnerrp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/1098399 |
| [20:27:52] | wagnerrp: | "This page does not exist, or you may not have permission to see it" |
| [20:29:10] | ertyu-w: | hrm, I guess it created it as private, try now |
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| [20:31:46] | wagnerrp: | looks like your dynamic linker is freaking out and routing mysql queries through your nvidia opengl libraries |
| [20:32:08] | wagnerrp: | i want to call that one an upstream issue |
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| [20:34:30] | ertyu-w: | I'm not sure I'd trust that debug trace, but I can't figure out what is going wrong |
| [20:42:22] | dekarl: | bobo: what does "show variables;" on your database show for system_time_zone? |
| [20:42:35] | dekarl: | it should be "CET" |
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| [20:43:13] | runelind: | do you guys think that schedules direct is worth paying for? |
| [20:45:33] | dekarl: | runelind: that's like asking a butcher if he thinks sausage is worth paying for... If the MythTV devs didn't think its worth it they would not invest so much effort in it http://www.schedulesdirect.org/aboutus |
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| [20:46:34] | dekarl: | MythTV isn't of much use without decent guide data and SD is about your only option in north america |
| [20:46:58] | runelind: | didn't mean any offense. |
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| [20:47:18] | dekarl: | none taken, you are just asking the wrong crowd :) |
| [20:48:43] | runelind: | would EIT just pull from Comcast in this case? |
| [20:50:33] | dekarl: | yes, EIT would get what Comcast puts on the wire, no it would get pushed by Comcast actively (you get what happens to pass by which appears to be not much) |
| [20:51:21] | bobo: | dekarl: "| system_time_zone | CET" |
| [20:51:38] | bobo: | dekarl: actually, i know think it's a xbmc and mythweb problem |
| [20:51:53] | bobo: | i have checked mythfronted and the times seem fine |
| [20:52:25] | dekarl: | bobo, looks good. xbmc lets mysql convert from "UTC" to "SYSTEM" so that looks good |
| [20:52:49] | bobo: | yep, i doublechecked all the timezone settings in the DB |
| [20:53:27] | dekarl: | runelind: I'm from europe, TV guide acquisition works completely different over here, so I can't really say anything about EIT vs. SD |
| [20:53:28] | bobo: | strange that i have the problem with BOTH mythweb and xbmc, but i'll look into it. php timezone is set, too |
| [20:59:32] | runelind: | Looking at all the channel scan options. |
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| [21:00:35] | wagnerrp: | we'd love to continue using zap2it for free like we used to |
| [21:00:56] | wagnerrp: | but some commercial application decided it didn't want to pay to license data for it's users, and told them to illegally use zap2it instead |
| [21:03:09] | runelind: | I think the HD HomeRun app has zap2it, but I didn't know what it was :) |
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| [21:04:09] | wagnerrp: | zap2it is some frontend company to tribune media services, and they used to provide free guide data to individual users for non-commercial applications |
| [21:04:19] | runelind: | aha |
| [21:04:45] | wagnerrp: | but since some commercial applications were abusing the service, having their users sign up for the free service, rather than paying to license it, they shut that down |
| [21:05:23] | wagnerrp: | and schedules direct was set up to provide basically the same exact thing, bulk licensing the data directly from tribune |
| [21:05:51] | runelind: | I'm trying to do the channel scan now, but it all looks to be coming up encrypted :-/ |
| [21:05:55] | wagnerrp: | silicondust would be independently licensing that data |
| [21:06:09] | wagnerrp: | quicktv has guide data? |
| [21:06:22] | runelind: | I just remember seeing something related to zap2it |
| [21:06:33] | wagnerrp: | you can't scan channels on cablecard tuners |
| [21:06:49] | runelind: | hmm? |
| [21:07:00] | wagnerrp: | you're trying to use an HDHomeRun Prime, right? |
| [21:07:13] | runelind: | yes, with Comcast cable |
| [21:07:24] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesn't support scanning channels off cablecard tuners when they are in cablcard (as opposed to clearqam) mode |
| [21:07:53] | runelind: | ok, so does that mean that something like Schedules Direct is required to get a channel listing? |
| [21:08:07] | wagnerrp: | i imagine there is some way to pull a list of available channels, or at least run through 1–9999 and see if the tuner reports a success |
| [21:08:22] | wagnerrp: | but yes, no one has bothered writing one since you just pull a lineup directly from SD |
| [21:10:30] | runelind: | trying that route |
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| [21:17:46] | systemloc: | I'm trying to run mythtv on a single system with no tuner, using the Demo Tuner option pointed to an MPEG2 file. I used mythtv-setup to add a video source and a channel as well and connect them all. I run mythbackend and it cranks up, but throws "2013-01–14 16:00:00.068207 C [10306/10306] CoreContext main_helpers.cpp:658 (run_backend) – Backend exiting, MainServer initialization error." without any further reason or preceding |
| [21:18:02] | systemloc: | Slackware 14.0, mythtv 0.26 |
| [21:18:28] | wagnerrp: | what IP address did you tell mythtv to listen on in mythtv-setup? |
| [21:18:47] | systemloc: | 127.0.0.1 |
| [21:18:52] | systemloc: | tried it with no changes |
| [21:19:13] | systemloc: | checked with netstat and it is listening on the status port, but not the actual port, which is just wierd |
| [21:19:33] | wagnerrp: | could you pastebin the whole log? |
| [21:19:34] | systemloc: | I don't have IPV6 support in my kernel |
| [21:19:44] | systemloc: | one moment |
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| [21:21:50] | systemloc: | http://pastebin.com/hh6c5mP3 |
| [21:21:59] | systemloc: | line of interest is 221 |
| [21:22:10] | systemloc: | run with verbose debug output |
| [21:22:14] | runelind: | mythfilldb seems to take a while, eh? |
| [21:23:23] | wagnerrp: | ugh... damned wordwrap |
| [21:23:32] | systemloc: | yeah |
| [21:24:01] | wagnerrp: | well there's probably ~50MB worth of XML it has to churn through |
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| [21:24:25] | wagnerrp: | and mysql tends to be set up pretty poorly by default, leading it to swap out temporary tables and take orders of magnitude longer |
| [21:24:35] | systemloc: | I did increment all the ports +1 to test that it was obeying this setting. I set the listening and the bind port correctly, there just all +1 standard. Made no difference in log output |
| [21:24:58] | runelind: | I did notice when I initially set up SD and clicked on retrieve lineups that it did not populate my data direct lineup |
| [21:25:53] | runelind: | but maybe that's not a problem. |
| [21:26:17] | runelind: | just going to let MFD do its thing |
| [21:26:48] | wagnerrp: | systemloc: i don't see anything of note, but quick sanity check... did you create a video source, with a dummy channel, and map that to the input on your dummy tuner? |
| [21:27:11] | wagnerrp: | the scheduler *should* be warning about that specifically if that is the problem |
| [21:27:15] | wagnerrp: | or at least it used to |
| [21:27:21] | systemloc: | yeah, I'm pretty sure that's set up correctly |
| [21:27:26] | wagnerrp: | but that will cause a quick auto-termination |
| [21:27:44] | systemloc: | I set the video source to no grabber |
| [21:27:45] | wagnerrp: | i'm headed out, ill look through it in an hour or so if you haven't figured it out by then |
| [21:27:59] | systemloc: | yeah, it used to before I realized I needed to do that :) |
| [21:28:40] | systemloc: | This is so annoying that it errors out without indicating what the problem is |
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| [21:30:47] | systemloc: | Oh, one more thing |
| [21:30:51] | systemloc: | It says: Found 0 distinct programid authorities |
| [21:30:59] | systemloc: | in the log. Is that an issue? |
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| [21:56:36] | systemloc: | Looking at the source code, there is an exit code returned, but it's not logged anywhere! Poor design.. |
| [21:57:23] | fiedel: | sorry to bother you, but can someone tell me if i need to patch mythtv in order to use unicable / scr ? |
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| [22:11:42] | dekarl: | fiedel: see http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /345531.html |
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| [22:29:00] | fiedel: | thx dekarl what a pitty |
| [22:33:05] | fiedel: | dekarl: did set me a bookmark and going to build me a deb for my mythbuntu |
| [22:33:49] | fiedel: | dekarl: do you know if this patch will be integrated in mythtv ever ? |
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| [22:41:34] | runelind: | if I'm connecting to my backend server from a separate mythfrontend, does every client need access to the db? |
| [22:41:44] | runelind: | or only the backend? |
| [22:42:06] | justinh: | every client |
| [22:42:16] | runelind: | huh, bummer. |
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| [22:42:40] | runelind: | that would explain my mysql problems :) |
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| [22:53:02] | Seeker`: | Any idea why mythweb cant update the channels table? I click save, the page reloads....and notyhing has changed |
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| [23:00:42] | justinh: | right then folks, I got WoL working again. The freakin hoops I've had to jump through... |
| [23:02:16] | justinh: | sky2 WoL is broken on some BIOSes, so you need to use the legacy_pme option (set it to 1) .. so you set the option, then check it's been set with a script which iterates the currently loaded modules & shows you which options they're loaded with.. and it doesn't show.. but you carry on regardless, make sure WoL is set ON with ethtool, then power the system OFF.. .send a magic packet & WAHEY! It comes on!!! |
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| [23:36:54] | natanojl: | Seeker`: https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/blob/master . . . .apache#L116 |
| [23:40:20] | Seeker`: | natanojl, already set to 512M |
| [23:41:22] | justinh: | oof. you've got to go some to get a PHP script need that much memory on a mythtv system |
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| [23:44:28] | Seeker`: | justinh, it was the recordings list which was requiring more thanthe default |
| [23:44:36] | Seeker`: | got loads of ram spare, so just put it to a high value |
| [23:44:43] | justinh: | how many recordings have you got?! |
| [23:44:47] | wagnerrp: | yeah, a thousand or so recordings will kill that much memory |
| [23:44:58] | wagnerrp: | php is _very_ wasteful |
| [23:45:02] | natanojl: | Seeker`: Ok. Don't know then I'm afraid |
| [23:45:04] | Seeker`: | I had 2000+ when it started being an issue |
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| [23:45:19] | Seeker`: | lost some now due to a hard drive crash |
| [23:45:27] | Seeker`: | and down to about 100 channels because my tuners died |
| [23:45:52] | justinh: | wagnerrp: ouch |
| [23:45:56] | systemloc: | Seeker`,: raid |
| [23:46:21] | justinh: | ran into an issue a customer had where PHP was running out of memory... turned out to be a PHP recursion |
| [23:46:34] | Seeker`: | systemloc, not worth the cost for recordings |
| [23:46:44] | justinh: | he got in touch & he'd already upped the limit to 2GB |
| [23:47:00] | justinh: | when ordinarily the default of 256 should've been enough |
| [23:47:14] | systemloc: | Terrabyte drives are like 80 bucks |
| [23:47:22] | wagnerrp: | systemloc: yeah, when you mentioned you had IPv6 disabled, i was a bit worried that might be the case |
| [23:48:00] | wagnerrp: | i'm going to overhaul that whole section for 0.27 |
| [23:48:13] | systemloc: | Yeah, I think it's a bug in the slackbuild script. It should have been built without IPV6 and that would have taken care or it |
| [23:49:33] | wagnerrp: | there's no reason for it to be built without, although to be honest, there's little reason to disable ipv6 entirely |
| [23:49:35] | systemloc: | If IPV6 support isn't compiled in, looks like the code ignores that setting. If IPV6 is compiled in, and the setting is a null string, it ignores it as well |
| [23:49:50] | Seeker`: | systemloc, I have four 2TB drives in my system already. Getting a case to fit more / RAID controllers starts getting pointlessly expensive |
| [23:49:59] | wagnerrp: | well it doesn't ignore it, it tries to make its own decision what IPv6 addresses to listen on |
| [23:50:18] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that at least for backends, one or the other must be defined |
| [23:50:37] | wagnerrp: | as that is used twofold, to decide which backend operates as the master, and for internal name lookup independent of DNS |
| [23:50:46] | wagnerrp: | if neither are defined, the backend faults out |
| [23:50:54] | systemloc: | wagnerrp: ahh. I'm not that fluent in C++ |
| [23:51:38] | wagnerrp: | anyway, the intent is to change the name lookup and master definition so that can all be done dynamically |
| [23:51:44] | wagnerrp: | rather than having to have it statically defined |
| [23:52:18] | systemloc: | Seeker`,: linux software raid is pretty reliable, avoiding the need for a hardware controller, and that buys you cheap RAID5 |
| [23:52:44] | Seeker`: | systemloc, my mobo has no free SATA slots, so I have to buy some sort of card to add more drives |
| [23:53:07] | wagnerrp: | and it's tough to find non-raid cards with more than four ports these days |
| [23:53:57] | Seeker`: | so, basically, I'd be spending £500 or so for a card / drives I don't have the space to store, to back up TV programs I don't actually care that much about keeping :P |
| [23:54:18] | systemloc: | Seeker`, yeah, that's true, and you eat a slot then. I use a 4 port SATA controller that cost less than 20 bucks or so in addition to the mobo's SATA slots |
| [23:54:43] | systemloc: | but if you run out of slots to add cards, you're screwed |
| [23:54:49] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp, any ideas about my mythweb problems? |
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| [23:55:04] | wagnerrp: | what's the error? |
| [23:55:10] | Seeker`: | no error shows up |
| [23:55:16] | wagnerrp: | what's the problem? |
| [23:55:26] | Seeker`: | clicking 'save' on the channel editor submits the page, then nothing has changed when it reloads |
| [23:55:36] | wagnerrp: | you have too many channles |
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| [23:55:58] | wagnerrp: | it exceeds some limit in the number of POST fields allowed by the browser, or server, or php... one of those |
| [23:56:24] | wagnerrp: | i think you're only allowed like a thousand fields or something |
| [23:57:18] | Seeker`: | I definitely have less than that, as I deleted them all, and rescanned using a DVB-T tuner |
| [23:57:31] | wagnerrp: | not a thousand channels, a thousand fields |
| [23:58:01] | wagnerrp: | and you've got 16 fields per channel |
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| [23:58:15] | Seeker`: | It worked fine when I had all of the DVB-T and DVB-S channels (even the non-EPG ones) |
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| [23:58:27] | Seeker`: | I had 3x the number of channels last week and it worked |
| [23:58:32] | wagnerrp: | i know i've seen that issue in the past |
| [23:58:46] | wagnerrp: | there may be some configuration setting that lets you control the limit |
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