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| [00:13:02] | bonelifer: | I've setup a backend slave. setup the storage groups for the slave. while the mythweb page on the master shows the recording it gives this to me when I try to stream it. |
| [00:13:03] | bonelifer: | 1011_20130107180800.mpg does not exist in any recognized storage group directories for this host. |
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| [00:26:58] | sphery: | disputin: channel number is irrelevant for recordings--it's only purpose is to tell MythTV to switch directly to a channel during Live TV (and to allow people who care--for some unknown reason--what channel a recording came from)... Callsign tells MythTV which channel is used for a "this channel" recording rule--so just set both to have the (exact) same call sign if they contain the (exact) same programming |
| [00:27:48] | sphery: | disputin: that said, wagnerrp is right--you shouldn't be using "this channel" rules much, if at all... they should definitely be the exception, not the rule |
| [00:28:04] | sphery: | bonelifer: you can't move recordings from one host to a different host |
| [00:28:42] | bonelifer: | Not trying. I can't view the video recorded on the s/be on the Frontend |
| [00:28:46] | wagnerrp: | more specifically, mythweb requires direct file access when you try to stream a recording |
| [00:28:48] | sphery: | bonelifer: also, you shouldn't set up Storage Groups on the remote backend for recordings--they should be set up on the master backend, and all your systems should use the same directory names/locations |
| [00:29:15] | sphery: | bonelifer: where you can actually have all or some of those directories on each host |
| [00:29:40] | sphery: | and, yeah, MythWeb can't "stream" a recording from a remote backend |
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| [00:30:13] | wagnerrp: | it can, it just needs the recordings to be mounted on the local filesystem |
| [00:30:23] | bonelifer: | I can't view the recording on the Frontend(on the combined fe/m-be. |
| [00:30:49] | wagnerrp: | bonelifer: you've configured all mythtv instances to use the same database? |
| [00:30:49] | bonelifer: | I see it, but it just freezes temporarily. |
| [00:31:02] | wagnerrp: | you're not doing something like running a separate database on the slave backend? |
| [00:31:03] | sphery: | well, that's not "streaming"--it's NFS'ing :) |
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| [00:31:23] | bonelifer: | yes. I see the s/be recording on the Master Backend mythweb instance, and in the Frontend. |
| [00:31:37] | bonelifer: | I just can't access it even in the Frontend. |
| [00:31:50] | sphery: | then your Storage Groups configuration is almost definitely broken |
| [00:31:59] | bonelifer: | using 11.10 |
| [00:32:30] | bonelifer: | So I should delete the Storage groups from teh slave be? |
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| [00:34:14] | sphery: | bonelifer: yes, unless there's a very good reason why you need to use a path on one host and forbid the use of that same path on another |
| [00:34:41] | sphery: | and, FWIW, I have never seen anyone come up with a valid reason for such |
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| [00:36:12] | sphery: | bonelifer: see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/442985#442985 and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/423104#423104 |
| [00:37:00] | sphery: | or, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Storage_Groups and, specifically, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Storage_Groups#Sla . . . nd_Overrides and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Storage_Groups#Set . . . orage_Groups |
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| [00:42:19] | bonelifer: | shouldn't I be able to view it in a Frontend though? |
| [00:42:55] | sphery: | once storage groups are properly configured, you should |
| [00:43:24] | sphery: | that includes directory lists being set up on master backend, appropriate permissions, etc. |
| [00:44:08] | sphery: | backend log may give more information... you may also want to use -v file argument to get more info |
| [00:45:28] | disputin: | thanks all |
| [00:45:41] | bonelifer: | so I need to do a "mount point"? any where that is more specific in what I need to do to do that? |
| [00:46:07] | sphery: | what I said about mount points is don't ever put one in the Storage Group directory list |
| [00:46:48] | sphery: | i.e. if you mount your file system at /srv/mythtv/tv, don't put that directory in the Storage Group dir list... put in a subdirectory of it, such as /srv/mythtv/tv/recordings |
| [00:47:07] | sphery: | that way, if your system fails to mount the file system, /srv/mythtv/tv/recordings won't exist, so MythTV won't try to write to it |
| [00:47:42] | sphery: | otherwise, if you put in /srv/mythtv/tv and your file system doesn't mount, MythTV will write to /srv/mythtv/tv--which is actually now the directory on the parent file system |
| [00:47:55] | sphery: | so you'll likely fill up your root partition (or whatever) and break your whole system |
| [00:48:05] | sphery: | just because some file system failed to mount properly |
| [00:48:19] | bonelifer: | clear as red clay.... :( |
| [00:49:17] | sphery: | well, if you don't like my examples, write up (on http://www.pastebin.com/ ) a description of what file systems you have and where you mount them on your system, and I can use it for examples |
| [00:49:41] | sphery: | or show the output of your mount command on pastebin |
| [00:50:29] | bonelifer: | completely default install. |
| [00:50:50] | bonelifer: | using mythbuntu. |
| [00:51:03] | bonelifer: | 11.10 |
| [00:51:11] | sphery: | well, I don't use mythbuntu, so that doesn't help me :) |
| [00:51:37] | bonelifer: | /var/lib/mythtv/recordings is the default storage directory for recordings |
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| [00:52:01] | sphery: | ok, then you're good as long as /var/lib/mythtv/recordings is not the root of some file system |
| [00:52:43] | sphery: | i.e. if /var/lib/mythtv is a file system root (i.e. some storage partition mounted there), then you're good |
| [00:53:22] | sphery: | basically, though, if that's the only directory to which you'll record--and it's used on both the master and slave backend |
| [00:53:34] | sphery: | shut down mythbackend on the slave and master |
| [00:53:38] | sphery: | go into mythtv-setup on the master |
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| [00:54:15] | sphery: | go into Storage Directories, highlight Default, and hit D (to Delete it from the master and all slaves) |
| [00:54:31] | sphery: | then repeat for any other Storage Groups listed (likely you haven't defined any) |
| [00:54:51] | sphery: | er, for other TV Storage Groups--don't do it for things like Videos or Fan Art or Images or whatever |
| [00:55:22] | sphery: | then select Default (Enter) and add a new directory, /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
| [00:55:27] | sphery: | then restart things |
| [00:55:44] | k-man: | is it possible to control mythtv entirely via CEC from your TV? |
| [00:56:00] | k-man: | meaning I wouldn't have to have a seperate ir receiver? |
| [00:56:30] | wagnerrp: | yes... following some not significant amount of programming |
| [00:56:41] | wagnerrp: | s/significant/insignificant/ |
| [00:56:58] | k-man: | wagnerrp, meaning a lot of configuring? |
| [00:57:11] | wagnerrp: | you can pick up a Pulse Eight unit, and mythtv loads the library for it... but that's about it |
| [00:57:19] | k-man: | ah i see |
| [00:57:20] | wagnerrp: | all we do with it currently is turn the TV on and off |
| [00:57:35] | k-man: | wagnerrp, interesting |
| [00:57:38] | sphery: | and don't pass anything from the TV to MythTV |
| [00:57:58] | bonelifer: | sphery, I think I'll run that past the #ubuntu-mythtv channel. Can't do it right now anyway as the m/be is recording. |
| [00:58:19] | k-man: | one thing I would love is the power button on my remote would pause mythtv and power off the TV – but thats a side topic really |
| [00:58:38] | k-man: | the main thing is, can I realistically control mythtv entirely using a remote and CEC |
| [00:58:39] | wagnerrp: | you would need to write several thousand lines of code to tie it into the event subsystem, and map all the various commands |
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| [00:58:54] | wagnerrp: | the hardware exists to do so, yes |
| [00:59:01] | wagnerrp: | the software, not so much |
| [00:59:02] | k-man: | wagnerrp, ok, thanks |
| [00:59:32] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, i'm not sure the extent of data available over CEC |
| [00:59:44] | wagnerrp: | it's a low speed bus physically connecting every linked device |
| [01:00:15] | wagnerrp: | i know you can control a PS3 over CEC, but i don't know how limited the command set is |
| [01:01:00] | k-man: | wagnerrp, i also heard that manufacturers don't universally support all the CEC commands either |
| [01:01:14] | k-man: | so for example, one TV might support the on command but not the off command |
| [01:05:52] | k-man: | i'm planning on upgrading my tv system with a new tv and new frontend and just trying to work out ways to reduce the number of wires |
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| [01:16:02] | wagnerrp: | it seems one device can register key codes over CEC, that other devices will then pick up and forward |
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| [01:46:01] | lyricnz: | Hi guys. Just attempted to book a bunch of recordings on my machine, and they don't seem to be showing up in "upcoming recordings" |
| [01:46:26] | lyricnz: | They're showing up in the DB, but neither mythfrontend or myth web are seeing them?!? |
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| [01:47:41] | bonelifer: | sphery, did what you said and restarted the m/be machine completely and it now works. thanks. |
| [01:48:07] | NomadX: | Q: If I'm dropping cable and plan to use torrents and hulu almost excusevly , is there any benifit to using myth tv for me? |
| [01:48:37] | wagnerrp: | well there's hardly anything available as a torrent, and hulu quality sucks |
| [01:48:52] | ** tgm4883 sees where this is going ** | |
| [01:50:12] | NomadX: | wagnerrp: is that a no? |
| [01:50:38] | wagnerrp: | that is a "works great for broadcast channels" |
| [01:51:00] | wagnerrp: | the video quality you capture over broadcast being significantly better quality than anything on hulu |
| [01:52:09] | NomadX: | Understood... but can it be used for capturing streams? And is capturing all its realy for? |
| [01:52:17] | wagnerrp: | and playback |
| [01:52:23] | ** NomadX nods ** | |
| [01:52:38] | bonelifer: | NomadX, the obvius choice for you is XBMC |
| [01:52:53] | bonelifer: | obvious even |
| [01:53:01] | k-man: | i hear good things about plex too |
| [01:53:05] | k-man: | not tried it myself |
| [01:55:08] | sphery: | bonelifer: glad it worked... enjoy |
| [01:55:18] | NomadX: | Hmm xbmc does look like a possible winner... linux vs windows? |
| [01:55:37] | k-man: | i think your asking on the wrong channel |
| [01:55:45] | bonelifer: | I record, edit out the commericials(all or just the beginning/end depending on the show/movie type), then use mythnuv2mkv to cut the commercials, put it in a MKV container. myself, I watch the shows via t via XBMC. I edit them on myth-frontend. :) |
| [01:55:46] | NomadX: | true hehe |
| [01:56:27] | bonelifer: | definately a question for the xbmc forums. |
| [01:57:09] | NomadX: | actualy bone, your answer argues for linux, think I'll give it all a go.. old machine anyways... |
| [01:57:16] | NomadX: | thanks for the help guys |
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| [01:59:29] | bonelifer: | now that I've done the off topic, I shall vanish in a cloud smoke, and get back to my moderator duties elsewhere. |
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| [02:07:44] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [02:08:51] | lyricnz: | Hmm, adding recording rules totally broken, probably since 0.26.1? Wife gonna kill me |
| [02:09:08] | wagnerrp: | how so? |
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| [02:09:52] | lyricnz: | From the UI, scheduling any kind of a recording (one time, always, etc) doesn't show an error, but that program doesn't appear in upcoming recordings etc. |
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| [02:09:59] | lyricnz: | Row appears to be in the DB |
| [02:10:20] | lyricnz: | Same effect from local frontend, remote frontend, and mythweb |
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| [02:11:36] | lyricnz: | Hasn't recorded anything based on new recordings since 22 Dec :/ |
| [02:12:40] | tgm4883: | lyricnz, it's worked here, my wife added something to be recorded via the frontend just the other day |
| [02:13:21] | lyricnz: | I've been out of town for 3 weeks, just got back, and can't book any recordings. Wife hasn't found out yet, but will be super pissy |
| [02:13:40] | tgm4883: | lyricnz, also, what is 0.26.1? |
| [02:13:46] | tgm4883: | there doesn't appear to be that version |
| [02:14:25] | lyricnz: | Sorry. 0.26 |
| [02:14:32] | lyricnz: | .1 is distro suffix |
| [02:14:58] | tgm4883: | lyricnz, what distro? |
| [02:15:04] | jheizer_laptop: | restart backend pick them up? |
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| [02:15:31] | Bray90820: | hello |
| [02:15:36] | tgm4883: | o/ |
| [02:15:45] | lyricnz: | happens to be fedora, using rpm fusion rpms, but it's pretty stock |
| [02:16:09] | Bray90820: | anyone know why my channel scan keeps timing out and no channels are found |
| [02:16:39] | wagnerrp: | need more specifics |
| [02:16:42] | tgm4883: | lyricnz, ok, I'm unsure what to diagnose there if there isn't an error in the backend log. i'm assuming that sphery could come up with a command to run to show what the scheduler is trying to do though |
| [02:16:46] | wagnerrp: | what are you trying to scan, what tuner type? |
| [02:17:08] | lyricnz: | tgm4883: No errors in backend log, and pretty sure fronted directly adds to {record} anyway |
| [02:17:10] | Bray90820: | i am using a HDhomerun prime with a cable card |
| [02:17:19] | wagnerrp: | you can't scan with a cablecard tuner |
| [02:17:26] | wagnerrp: | pull a lineup from your schedules direct account |
| [02:17:35] | Bray90820: | that's what i was afraid of |
| [02:17:51] | Bray90820: | i kinda don't want to use schedules direct because of the fee |
| [02:17:53] | tgm4883: | lyricnz, oh god I hope not |
| [02:18:02] | tgm4883: | lyricnz, but even if it does, you said the row is in the DB |
| [02:18:09] | tgm4883: | so I wonder what the scheduler is doing then |
| [02:18:15] | wagnerrp: | well what do you plan to do with mythtv if you've got no guide data? |
| [02:18:17] | lyricnz: | yes, I can see it there. |
| [02:18:19] | Bray90820: | are there any other options |
| [02:19:19] | wagnerrp: | when tribune stopped providing it for free, schedules direct was set up to license it |
| [02:19:35] | wagnerrp: | once one company started licensing it, there was never any reason for another service to be set up to do the same |
| [02:20:37] | Bray90820: | so there is no other way to watch tv? |
| [02:20:50] | wagnerrp: | do you want to watch tv, or do you want to record tv? |
| [02:21:10] | Bray90820: | i want to watch live channels |
| [02:21:18] | Bray90820: | and record it |
| [02:21:48] | Bray90820: | so yes i want to watch and record |
| [02:22:00] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, get a VCR? |
| [02:22:05] | Bray90820: | lol |
| [02:22:11] | Bray90820: | i already have tivo |
| [02:22:17] | lyricnz: | sphery: tgm4883 : the recording shows up in http://mythtv....:6544/Dvr/GetRecordScheduleList |
| [02:22:21] | Bray90820: | but i wanted to stop paying for it |
| [02:22:43] | lyricnz: | but not in "Upcoming Recordings" |
| [02:22:49] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, So take your $7/month tivo subscription and make it a $20/year SD sub? |
| [02:22:56] | tgm4883: | cause math |
| [02:23:00] | Bray90820: | i prob will |
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| [02:23:10] | wagnerrp: | $25/yr |
| [02:23:12] | Bray90820: | and it was actually $35 a month |
| [02:23:17] | Bray90820: | for my tivo |
| [02:23:23] | wagnerrp: | declining SD membership meant rates went up |
| [02:23:26] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, I don't believe you |
| [02:23:27] | ertyu-m: | or buy a lifetime subscription for the tivo |
| [02:23:35] | tgm4883: | ertyu-m, I don't think they have those anymore |
| [02:23:46] | ertyu-m: | tgm4883, yes they do |
| [02:23:58] | Bray90820: | $20 a month for one box and $15 a month for my second box |
| [02:24:11] | Bray90820: | im not going with lifetime |
| [02:24:21] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, If I believed you were willing to get an SD account, we wouldn't be having this conversation |
| [02:24:21] | Bray90820: | because once the box dies then that's it |
| [02:24:29] | tgm4883: | minimally, you would use the 7 day free SD trial |
| [02:24:41] | tgm4883: | see it's an awesome service and then pay for it |
| [02:24:46] | Bray90820: | i am willing now |
| [02:24:52] | tgm4883: | so then why don't you? |
| [02:25:11] | lyricnz: | so it's not in scheduler but is in DB? Restarting backend, that should temporary fix it at least |
| [02:25:17] | Bray90820: | well i came in here seeing if there was a free way and now i know there is not |
| [02:25:23] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, ah |
| [02:25:43] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, please excuse me, I'm in a bad mood tonight because.... Adobe has shit programmers |
| [02:25:51] | lyricnz: | yeah, that fixed it. ugh! |
| [02:26:02] | Bray90820: | does SD charge you once a year or every month |
| [02:26:24] | tgm4883: | Bray90820, IIRC, whenever your sub is up |
| [02:26:25] | wagnerrp: | once a year or once a quarter, your choice |
| [02:26:43] | Bray90820: | alright thank you |
| [02:27:03] | Bray90820: | if i have any other questions and i prob will i will come back here and ask |
| [02:27:12] | Bray90820: | but right now i gotta eat |
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| [03:59:07] | Bray90820: | hello |
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| [04:01:08] | Bray90820: | anyone wanna help me with adding channels to my mythtv setup |
| [04:02:46] | Bray90820: | Am i alone in here |
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| [05:02:20] | Bray90820: | hello |
| [05:03:13] | Bray90820: | am i alone in here |
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| [05:43:48] | Bray90820: | am i alone in here |
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| [06:19:25] | Bray90820: | Am i alone in here |
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| [06:41:32] | dekarl: | Bray90820: just ask a question, if someone knows the answer they'll tell you. Seeing you've been talking about SD that would be US which I have no experience personally with as an european |
| [06:42:08] | Bray90820: | well actually i was going to ask if you could connect Mythtv backend to windows media center |
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| [06:42:34] | [R]: | of course not |
| [06:42:45] | Bray90820: | lol |
| [06:43:04] | Bray90820: | what kind of windows apps can you use as a front end |
| [06:43:28] | [R]: | um... mythfrontend has a windows version |
| [06:44:02] | Bray90820: | can i connect that to a ubuntu backend |
| [06:44:54] | [R]: | if its the same version |
| [06:45:04] | Bray90820: | thank you |
| [06:45:08] | Bray90820: | what about xbmc |
| [06:45:23] | Bray90820: | 'with there new pvr stuff |
| [06:45:27] | [R]: | what about it? |
| [06:45:48] | Bray90820: | can you connect it to a linux backend |
| [06:45:52] | Bray90820: | from windows |
| [06:45:54] | [R]: | you'll have to talk to the xbmc peopl about that |
| [06:46:33] | Bray90820: | well the reason i am asking you is because there is a mythtv plugin |
| [06:46:49] | [R]: | its an xbmc plugin for myth |
| [06:46:53] | [R]: | not a myth plugin for xbmc |
| [06:46:57] | dekarl: | MythTV has no code to break clients based on the operating system they run on... |
| [06:47:17] | Bray90820: | can i send a screenshot |
| [06:47:27] | dekarl: | so if its working with xbmc on linux but not with xbmc on windows thats not something that lies in mythtv :) |
| [06:47:39] | dekarl: | aka its a xbmc bug |
| [06:48:13] | Bray90820: | well in xbmc i can watch live tv |
| [06:48:23] | [R]: | and? |
| [06:49:57] | Bray90820: | i am saying that it's a mythtv plugin for xbmc |
| [06:50:11] | [R]: | no |
| [06:50:20] | [R]: | the mythtv project had nothing to do with it |
| [06:50:27] | [R]: | its all xbmc |
| [06:50:49] | Bray90820: | ok |
| [06:51:05] | Bray90820: | so this isn't the right place to ask my question then |
| [06:51:10] | [R]: | of course not |
| [06:51:33] | Bray90820: | im sorry |
| [06:52:03] | Bray90820: | i thought the mythtv team created it |
| [06:53:16] | Bray90820: | sorry if i did anything wrong |
| [06:54:05] | dekarl: | Bray90820: the thread for xbmc/pvr/mythtv is over here http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=110694&page=176 its one of the more active threads :) |
| [06:54:30] | Bray90820: | alright |
| [06:54:33] | Bray90820: | thank you |
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| [07:13:10] | Bray90820: | is the mythtv backend ip address the ip address of the computer that has teh backend installed |
| [07:14:55] | Bray90820: | that was prob a dumb question |
| [07:16:51] | dekarl: | the backend ip address is the address that the backend process is listening on. if you are running xbmc and backend on the same box and your backend only listens on localhost that would be 127.0.0.1, if you listen on the real network then its the ip of the computer |
| [07:19:35] | Bray90820: | alright thank you |
| [07:20:00] | Bray90820: | one more question |
| [07:20:10] | Bray90820: | what is the backend username |
| [07:20:26] | Bray90820: | i don't remember setting that |
| [07:21:25] | dekarl: | if its mythbuntu then the username is "mythtv" but you might be looking for the database username (which is mythtv, too) |
| [07:22:07] | Bray90820: | it os not mythbuntu |
| [07:22:17] | dekarl: | btw, does the plugin not use auto-discovery, so you just select the backend and enter the pin 0000? |
| [07:22:21] | Bray90820: | it's just a regular install of ubuntu |
| [07:22:41] | Bray90820: | and the plugin does not |
| [07:22:58] | dekarl: | ubuntu uses the mythbuntu packages, too. so its the same |
| [07:23:23] | Bray90820: | so the username is mythtv? |
| [07:24:04] | dekarl: | i think so |
| [07:24:08] | Bray90820: | ok |
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| [07:24:37] | Bray90820: | would the password be the one i use when i configure the backend |
| [07:26:46] | dekarl: | no |
| [07:26:53] | Bray90820: | ok |
| [07:26:57] | Bray90820: | what would the password be |
| [07:27:06] | dekarl: | try sudo cat ~mythtv/config.xml |
| [07:27:28] | dekarl: | its a random password... that should have been sudo cat ~mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [07:27:32] | Bray90820: | is cat a text editor |
| [07:27:48] | dekarl: | no, it just cats a file to the terminal |
| [07:28:13] | Bray90820: | could i use gedit and look at it that way |
| [07:28:57] | dekarl: | or just use grep Password ~mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [07:29:14] | dekarl: | that will print out the one line with password only |
| [07:29:39] | Bray90820: | alright |
| [07:29:41] | Bray90820: | thank you |
| [07:29:46] | dekarl: | y/w |
| [07:30:10] | dekarl: | btw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_(Unix) |
| [07:30:49] | Bray90820: | <DBPassword>rQbupq0C</DBPassword> |
| [07:30:53] | Bray90820: | that was the output |
| [07:31:00] | Bray90820: | so is rQbupq0C the password |
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| [07:32:51] | dekarl: | yes, I think thats it |
| [07:33:08] | Bray90820: | is there a command to give me the username |
| [07:33:50] | dekarl: | the one with cat will show it next to the password |
| [07:34:19] | Bray90820: | thank you |
| [07:34:21] | dekarl: | I see you are on an older version then me, so i'm not sure if the names are the same, best just to look in the line above/below the password |
| [07:34:35] | Bray90820: | how can you tell that |
| [07:35:28] | dekarl: | because my config.xml already has the "new" <Password>supasekrit</Password> |
| [07:35:34] | dekarl: | notice the missing DB |
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| [07:37:00] | Bray90820: | my version is 2:0.25.2 |
| [07:37:17] | dekarl: | I'm on the development per-0.27 version ;) |
| [07:37:27] | dekarl: | pre-0.27 |
| [07:37:30] | Bray90820: | ahh |
| [07:37:31] | Bray90820: | im not |
| [07:37:38] | Bray90820: | i just used the one from the ubuntu repo |
| [07:39:02] | dekarl: | mythcontrolcenter should allow you to upgrade to fixes/0.26 if you are on 12.04LTS or newer |
| [07:39:41] | dekarl: | earlier then that you can still go to fixes/0.25 (the latest fixes are always preferred over the point-in-time-releases) |
| [07:40:03] | Bray90820: | i am on 12.04 |
| [07:40:45] | Bray90820: | i tried using sudo cat ~mythtv/config.xml but the file was not found |
| [07:41:31] | dekarl: | try cat ~mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml (I was missing the .mythtv part the first time) |
| [07:42:56] | Bray90820: | that worked thank you |
| [07:43:05] | Bray90820: | now what about updating to 0.26 |
| [07:44:50] | Bray90820: | brb |
| [07:44:52] | dekarl: | Never done it, but sounds easy http://www.mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu |
| [07:44:57] | ** Bray90820 will be right back ** | |
| [07:45:18] | Bray90820: | well i'm not on mythbuntu |
| [07:45:40] | dekarl: | ... "existing ubuntu" :) |
| [07:45:57] | Bray90820: | what do you mean |
| [07:46:04] | dekarl: | mythbuntu is the packaging team for all of ubuntu and a flavor of ubuntu... |
| [07:46:30] | dekarl: | the url is about "how to enable mythbuntu control center" on plain/existing ubuntu |
| [07:47:13] | Bray90820: | do you think updating is necessary |
| [07:47:36] | dekarl: | I think you should update to fixes/0.25 but might want to hold off fixes/0.26 for now |
| [07:48:10] | Bray90820: | i am already on 0.25 |
| [07:48:20] | Bray90820: | 0.25.2 |
| [07:49:55] | dekarl: | there have been some fixes since 0.25.2, see http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/log/?h=fixes/0.25 |
| [07:50:30] | Bray90820: | ahh alright |
| [07:50:42] | Bray90820: | whats wrong with 0.26 |
| [07:51:26] | dekarl: | some people report unresolved (as of now) issues with livetv on the users list |
| [07:51:40] | Bray90820: | alright |
| [07:51:50] | dekarl: | so if 0.25 is working for you I don't want to push you to 0.26 without knowing if that is relevant to you |
| [07:52:21] | Bray90820: | actually i don't really know if 0.25 is working for me yeat |
| [07:52:34] | Bray90820: | i just installed mythtv like 12 hours ago |
| [07:54:28] | dekarl: | I have to leave for work now, see you around |
| [07:55:52] | Bray90820: | alriight |
| [07:55:54] | Bray90820: | thank you |
| [07:55:58] | Bray90820: | you have been lots of help |
| [07:56:02] | Bray90820: | i will see you later |
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| [15:06:57] | devinheitmueller: | http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/silicondus . . . ers-with-tr/ |
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| [15:10:24] | wagnerrp: | "just a bit" above that? |
| [15:10:29] | wagnerrp: | like... $300? |
| [15:10:42] | devinheitmueller: | Nah |
| [15:11:17] | wagnerrp: | i can't imagine the hardware and licensing for a real-time h264 encoder is all that cheap |
| [15:11:24] | wagnerrp: | plus there's the engineering time to recoup |
| [15:11:36] | devinheitmueller: | Should be a nice little device for this crowd though – you can decide what bitrate you want at capture time, with no post-transcode |
| [15:11:51] | devinheitmueller: | The Hauppauge Broadway has been on the market for over a year, at half the price point. |
| [15:12:04] | devinheitmueller: | (e..g. realtime H.264 encoders aren't that expensive) |
| [15:12:07] | devinheitmueller: | …. anymore.... |
| [15:12:12] | wagnerrp: | but that's just capture, no tuners or cablecard |
| [15:12:26] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: the Broadway has a tuner. |
| [15:12:37] | wagnerrp: | i'm saying if the 3CC is $200, the 4CC with compressor would be $300 |
| [15:12:44] | devinheitmueller: | And Cablecard doesn't add much to the BOM cost (it's mostly an R&D cost) |
| [15:12:51] | devinheitmueller: | We'll see. |
| [15:13:31] | wagnerrp: | is the broadway basically an HVR with component/hdmi inputs? |
| [15:13:51] | devinheitmueller: | The Broadway doesn't have component/HDMI. |
| [15:14:08] | wagnerrp: | it only recompresses digital? |
| [15:14:09] | devinheitmueller: | It's basically an HDHomeRun that includes a transcoder and web server to provide the video via HTTP Live. |
| [15:14:15] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [15:14:22] | wagnerrp: | didn't know they had such a thing |
| [15:14:26] | devinheitmueller: | It recompresses standard def analog too |
| [15:14:29] | devinheitmueller: | brb |
| [15:15:52] | wagnerrp: | PCTV? is this something they picked up from pinnacle? |
| [15:17:38] | devinheitmueller: | The PCTV team built it after the Hauppauge acquisition. |
| [15:17:50] | devinheitmueller: | I did all the ATSC/ClearQAM support for it from here in NY. |
| [15:18:27] | devinheitmueller: | It's not really targeted at the HTPC crowd. It's for people who want to watch TV on their iPad. |
| [15:18:42] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [15:19:07] | devinheitmueller: | It's basically the same thing as the SimpleTV that everybody has been raving about, but it came out a year before and had nowhere near as good of marketing. |
| [15:19:47] | ** devinheitmueller is a little irritated how everybody got all excited about SimpleTV when we had already been selling the same product for a year and nobody noticed. ** | |
| [15:20:22] | wagnerrp: | well if it makes you feel any better, this is the first i've heard of the simpletv |
| [15:20:25] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [15:20:38] | devinheitmueller: | It was covered pretty widely on stuff like engadget. |
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| [19:29:06] | mdl: | Hello, can not find analog channels with the scan, but with scantv i can. Someone can help??? |
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| [20:23:57] | kslater: | hehe, love the stats page on MythWeb |
| [20:24:15] | kslater: | my system has been in operation (with this database) for 6.5 years |
| [20:24:40] | kslater: | and I've recorded 1 yr, 2 mo worth of TV. Most of which is drek. |
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| [22:27:41] | ggervasio: | Whoa. Just checked my stats. I did not realize my Myth system turned 10 years old a couple of months ago. |
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| [22:28:56] | wagnerrp: | couple of months ago? i thought it was released in 2002 |
| [22:29:05] | wagnerrp: | erm... it's 2013 |
| [22:29:06] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
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| [22:40:38] | EvilGuru: | ggervasio: The same system? |
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| [22:42:39] | ggervasio: | Same database. The hardware has been replaced a few times and I think I did a full OS reinstall once. |
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| [22:57:52] | justinh: | gahhhh I HATE pacman |
| [22:57:56] | justinh: | not the game, I might add |
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| [23:01:23] | justinh: | blah, target not found.. any package I care to mention. CRAP |
| [23:01:53] | justinh: | I'm running out of distros to take a dislike to |
| [23:08:04] | justinh: | meh I give up! |
| [23:08:26] | justinh: | doesn't seem like I have pm-utils installed or any way to get them |
| [23:08:40] | justinh: | arch has the worst documentation of any distro I've ever seen |
| [23:09:22] | stuartm: | heh, I got stuck in dependency hell yesterday ... with Ubuntu |
| [23:10:01] | stuartm: | ended up having to reinstall from CD |
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| [23:12:54] | jams: | pacman -S pm-utils; it's in the repo. might have to do pacman -Syy to refresh the db |
| [23:13:53] | justinh: | man who makes up these command options? |
| [23:14:32] | justinh: | anyway it all looks pretty moot |
| [23:14:52] | justinh: | I don't think this board is ever going to wake from lan again |
| [23:15:24] | justinh: | it actually just occurred to me that I don't actually need a frontend as such anymore |
| [23:16:03] | justinh: | the backend has a VDPAU capable card (just) in it right now, because that was the cheapest pci-e card I could lay my hands on |
| [23:16:30] | justinh: | but I just bought that nvidia card for the frontend box.. which is pci-e – a special because it's got svideo output |
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| [23:17:03] | justinh: | I could put the pi under the teevee doing network lirc transceiver duties instead |
| [23:17:31] | justinh: | it's not as if we could even use the frontend's optical drive if we wanted to anyway.. it's behind perspex |
| [23:18:13] | justinh: | so.. maybe just make the backend into a frontend. sell the awful silverstone case for a song.. and the board.. and the memory... |
| [23:18:37] | justinh: | less boxen – the backend is always on... |
| [23:18:59] | justinh: | put my cat5 AV transceiver back into use & we're up |
| [23:20:31] | justinh: | or I could make a little microcontroller to be a lirc receiver & waker-upper |
| [23:21:32] | justinh: | think I'll try to find time at the weekend to make the backend into a frontend too. never know, I might actually be able to get flash playback to work one day LOL |
| [23:24:06] | justinh: | then when the CRT dies, just swap a newer pci-e graphics card in, haul a HDMI cable under the floor & boom.. |
| [23:24:59] | whyzzyrd: | crt...? |
| [23:25:12] | wagnerrp: | television |
| [23:25:14] | wagnerrp: | old tube |
| [23:25:24] | justinh: | oh don't get me started. I've not gone HD yet. No point :-) |
| [23:25:25] | wagnerrp: | with cathodes and rays |
| [23:25:34] | justinh: | and a toob! |
| [23:25:34] | whyzzyrd: | oh, I know what a CRT is. I just though nobody had one any more |
| [23:25:48] | justinh: | the teevee works fine, so why get rid of it? |
| [23:26:03] | justinh: | SD looks awful on LCD > 32" |
| [23:26:06] | ** whyzzyrd used to have a proper 2 man lift 32" mitsu crt on a motorised base ** | |
| [23:26:34] | justinh: | this panasonic weighs about 45 kilos. that's officially a 2 man lift |
| [23:26:50] | justinh: | I put it onto its stand when it was delivered.. like a fool |
| [23:26:51] | wagnerrp: | or one manly man |
| [23:27:02] | justinh: | nearly did myself a nasty mischief |
| [23:27:07] | whyzzyrd: | bugger kept blowing it's line drive transistor |
| [23:27:18] | justinh: | heh |
| [23:27:45] | justinh: | first sign of the line output going.. or the PSU.. we're going shopping |
| [23:27:52] | whyzzyrd: | stupidest thing I ever did was carry a pair of sun GDM90W10 24" HD CRT's up a set of stairs |
| [23:27:59] | whyzzyrd: | seperately I might point out |
| [23:28:09] | justinh: | I blather on about SD looking crap on LCDs > 32" a lot but it's not like *I* watch that much telly these days |
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| [23:28:23] | whyzzyrd: | I got caught by our health n safety police with the 2nd one |
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| [23:28:57] | justinh: | bend those knees ;-) |
| [23:29:09] | whyzzyrd: | to be fair, I've a 29" CRT upstairs, and my 'rents have a 32" Sony crt |
| [23:29:16] | wagnerrp: | here we would have been caught by the campus utilities union |
| [23:29:16] | justinh: | keep your back.... <CRACK>... oops |
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| [23:29:48] | justinh: | my dad's more up to date than I am, which came as a surprise to him |
| [23:29:59] | justinh: | but my PVR doesn't suck :D |
| [23:30:08] | stuartm: | justinh: I'm told, although I've never actually seen it for myself, that some LCD TVs do a pretty reasonable job of controlling the compression artefacts and upscaling the SD |
| [23:30:08] | whyzzyrd: | what really really really annoyed me about that set was that it was *full* of boards, and there was no "service position", so you couldn't fire the thing up without it all being put back together |
| [23:30:40] | justinh: | stuartm: yeah they likely do these days. I've not had a good look for a while. Going up close to the sony at work it's hard to spot much artifacting |
| [23:30:43] | whyzzyrd: | stuartm, We've some NEC 40" displays at work that do a very decent job, but they're proper money |
| [23:30:59] | justinh: | but the inlaws' TV.. sheesh |
| [23:31:10] | stuartm: | I actually believe that, because it's the only reasonable explanation for why broadcasters put out such lousy quality SD, they all have high end TVs at home and can't tell how shit it really looks |
| [23:31:24] | wagnerrp: | and they're likely "large format monitors" rather than "TVs" |
| [23:31:28] | justinh: | it's not so much the mpeg artifacts it's the downright *weird* motion of things |
| [23:31:44] | whyzzyrd: | wagnerrp, They're proper display screens, yes. |
| [23:32:02] | whyzzyrd: | wagnerrp, they even have the magic "here's a slot for a PC" |
| [23:32:04] | justinh: | like a closeup of somebody's face & the camera pans or the person moves out of shot.. the face goes all.. wuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| [23:32:22] | justinh: | barely perceptible but once you've noticed it .... |
| [23:32:56] | justinh: | mind, that's on a 6 year old set so they're prolly way better at it now |
| [23:33:24] | whyzzyrd: | depends at what end of the market I suppose. |
| [23:33:45] | justinh: | it wasn't cheap at the time I know that much |
| [23:33:50] | whyzzyrd: | I keep getting tempted to pick up a 32" LCD when costco have em cheap |
| [23:34:07] | whyzzyrd: | don't really want anything bigger |
| [23:34:45] | justinh: | my dad's last one was dirt cheap & its processing beat the inlaws' sony |
| [23:35:11] | justinh: | he's been given a 42" Sony now though.. which is also pretty good |
| [23:35:15] | whyzzyrd: | sonys appear to be a bit hit n miss nowadays |
| [23:35:36] | whyzzyrd: | my dad's has some "entertaining" modifications inside to bypass the bits that don't work any more |
| [23:35:50] | justinh: | lol |
| [23:36:17] | justinh: | I'm not even gonna try fixing this set when it goes |
| [23:36:28] | stuartm: | they have a fair few budget models that are less than stellar, their mistake was not to sell those under a different name, but then again they wouldn't be able to trade on the strong brand recognition if they did |
| [23:36:31] | whyzzyrd: | there's some video processing board where we found the feed in, and the output, and bridged it |
| [23:36:44] | whyzzyrd: | stuartm, they used Aiwa for that for years |
| [23:36:59] | justinh: | Aiwa were Sony? heh I never knew that |
| [23:37:07] | stuartm: | neither did I |
| [23:37:12] | whyzzyrd: | aye, Aiwa was Sony's B Brand |
| [23:37:55] | justinh: | ah Sony bought em in 2002 |
| [23:38:13] | whyzzyrd: | but had a majority shareholding long before that |
| [23:38:53] | whyzzyrd: | if you take many Aiwa hifis apart, you'll find it's all sony transports/ lasers/ chips etc |
| [23:39:23] | justinh: | kinda like Phillips/Marantz – but the other way round |
| [23:39:44] | whyzzyrd: | Just like you find a lot of Pana stuff inside Technics gear |
| [23:39:52] | whyzzyrd: | And don't get me started on B&O |
| [23:40:20] | justinh: | heh Phillips got rid of Marantz |
| [23:40:51] | justinh: | my sister's boyfriend works as a B&O installer |
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| [23:41:22] | justinh: | they had a really nice B&O CRT.. Man, *nothing* could make its picture pull.. the PSU in there must've been something else |
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| [23:41:47] | whyzzyrd: | justinh, You'll find that inside that was probably a Thomson |
| [23:41:56] | whyzzyrd: | much as most of their video stuff was philips |
| [23:42:10] | justinh: | well whatever, a vertical line stayed vertical no matter what |
| [23:42:25] | whyzzyrd: | I've not had the misfortune to take apart much of their hifi gear |
| [23:42:29] | justinh: | none of this contrast wavy gravy |
| [23:42:51] | justinh: | more like a PC monitor than a telly really.. do a bounce test & everything stays put |
| [23:42:56] | whyzzyrd: | The B&O gear was always high-end from where it came from. |
| [23:42:58] | wagnerrp: | both of our last two CRTs would pull to the left, towards the amp in the cabinet next to it |
| [23:43:54] | whyzzyrd: | my mitsu wouldn't pull at all, but then it was so ruddy heavy. |
| [23:44:00] | justinh: | oh doubtless you could make a B&O TV pull with magnetic fields.. I was just talking about how rock solid the picture was. like on most CRTs the picture moves about at least a little when the signal changes |
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| [23:44:25] | justinh: | my panasonic's signal isolation isn't as good as it could be |
| [23:44:37] | whyzzyrd: | you could do a trinitron some serious damage with a hard drive magnet |
| [23:44:39] | justinh: | between inputs I mean.. eew |
| [23:44:40] | swalberg: | Hi I'm upgrading my ancient myth box to work with my new cable box and can't seem to get the remote working. I have a hauppauge pvr-350 card and a mceusb device, only the latter seems to be seen but I can't get either to work. Ideally I'd use the mceusb to blast channel codes to the STB and then the remote that comes with it to control the TV + Myth but I'm not too picky. I'm at a bit of a loss on how to get any activity from the remotes… irw |
| [23:44:40] | swalberg: | silent |
| [23:45:25] | justinh: | mce remote receivers are less about lirc these days AFAIK |
| [23:46:08] | swalberg: | oh? What should I be looking for (I'm using mythbuntu fwiw) |
| [23:46:27] | justinh: | and you say 'mceusb' device.. there are a lot of those about.. some are better than others.. I bought a couple of 'MCE' IR receivers with blasters & the blasters won't work for love nor money |
| [23:46:35] | whyzzyrd: | dunno. I've found recent mythbuntu docs somewhat lacking :( |
| [23:47:01] | justinh: | mythbuntu.. you just tell it what kind of remote receiver you got.. |
| [23:47:18] | justinh: | and whether you'll be blasting or not... |
| [23:47:32] | justinh: | that's in the mythbuntu control center IIRC |
| [23:47:34] | swalberg: | Yea, there's a hauppauge tv card option and it doesn't work |
| [23:48:02] | justinh: | no, if your IR receiver/blaster is MCE USB you have to say that |
| [23:48:03] | swalberg: | and on my old system there was a /dev/lirc0 for that device, and on the new one there isn't |
| [23:48:07] | justinh: | not hauppauge TV card |
| [23:48:21] | tgm4883: | I suppose that would depend on what is blasting the IR |
| [23:48:34] | swalberg: | There's no mce option for the receiver, just the transmitter… I tried linux /dev/input but that's not working either |
| [23:48:36] | justinh: | unless the IR receiver plugs into the TV card, then it's nothing to do with the tv card :-) |
| [23:48:46] | whyzzyrd: | ah, my remotes are both on the bttv cards |
| [23:49:48] | swalberg: | no, I have an ir receiver that plugs into the tv card which worked under kernel 2.6.old and myth 0.23. I need to add a blaster so I got a mceusb device that didn't work with that kernel |
| [23:50:04] | justinh: | I'd have thought that mythbuntu would easily work out of the box with an mceusb device |
| [23:50:13] | tgm4883: | justinh, it does |
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| [23:50:28] | justinh: | well there you go then. just use that for receiving |
| [23:50:53] | justinh: | and for blasting.. but good luck getting the blaster worky. I spent *hours* playing with mine |
| [23:50:55] | wizbit: | i changed my hostname on my server, now mythbackend wont run, does that mean i need to start fresh again :-S |
| [23:51:13] | justinh: | wizbit: there's a way to fix that. see the wiki.. uhhhh... somewhere |
| [23:51:18] | wizbit: | ace |
| [23:51:30] | tgm4883: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend |
| [23:51:53] | swalberg: | Oh, hang on, I was looking under "mce" but there's a "windows multimedia …." option. :( |
| [23:51:58] | wizbit: | mythconverg_restore.pl --change_hostname --old_hostname="XXXX" --new_hostname="YYYY" |
| [23:52:04] | wizbit: | thank god |
| [23:52:14] | tgm4883: | swalberg, well yea, it is a windows mce remote |
| [23:52:58] | swalberg: | tgm4883: Yea I mean that in one place it's called a "mce remote" and another place it's called "windows mce". So when you're looking in a scrolling list of 100 entries... |
| [23:53:16] | tgm4883: | Where is it labeled MCE remote? |
| [23:53:47] | wizbit: | this script ok to run on 0.26 ? |
| [23:53:48] | wizbit: | https://raw.github.com/MythTV/mythtv/master/m . . . g_restore.pl |
| [23:54:39] | wizbit: | IT WORKS!!! |
| [23:54:42] | wizbit: | you clever sods |
| [23:55:07] | swalberg: | tgm4883: Control centre -> infrared. under receivers it's "windows media centre transmitters/receivers" and then under enable transmitters it's "microsoft windows media centre…" |
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| [23:56:22] | tgm4883: | swalberg, ok, I've relayed the info to the developer of that |
| [23:56:57] | swalberg: | tgm4883: Thanks! |
| [23:57:41] | swalberg: | OK, with that, irw now shows stuff when I use my cable remote! I'll play around a bit, thanks! |
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