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| [00:00:16] | jgautier: | ive had mythtv setup and working great on ubuntu for the last few months using a ceton tuner...i just came back from a 3 week vacation and most of the non-HD channels are working but it seems like some of the HD channels are no longer working |
| [00:00:19] | jgautier: | like MTV for example |
| [00:00:26] | jgautier: | im on comcast in SF |
| [00:00:51] | jgautier: | i see this in the log which i dont recall seeing before |
| [00:00:53] | jgautier: | PMT says program 5072 is encrypted |
| [00:01:16] | wagnerrp: | they likely would be encrypted |
| [00:01:28] | wagnerrp: | any chance your cablecard disassociated or is otherwise not functioning? |
| [00:01:42] | jgautier: | well |
| [00:01:44] | jgautier: | i hadnt used it for 3 weeks |
| [00:01:54] | jgautier: | maybe i need to call the cable company and have them re register it |
| [00:02:08] | jgautier: | some cahnnels are working |
| [00:02:14] | jgautier: | for instace NBC HD and non HD is working |
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| [00:19:16] | jgautier: | if anyone cares i contacted comcast and they "re provisioned" the services |
| [00:19:18] | jgautier: | all is working now |
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| [01:27:14] | itunesdan: | hello? |
| [01:28:05] | [R]: | goodbye? |
| [01:28:52] | itunesdan: | nah.. was just curious if anyone was actually around. |
| [01:29:21] | bas-t: | want to have contact? |
| [01:29:36] | itunesdan: | i have an issue that Im curious if anyone else has run into, or some advice as to how to fix it |
| [01:30:28] | bas-t: | how to fix what? |
| [01:30:43] | itunesdan: | i am running 0.26, and when i attempt to change the theme within the frontend GUI, it pops up the downloading theme window, but doesnt actually download anything |
| [01:30:54] | itunesdan: | (watching netstat confirms this) |
| [01:31:10] | itunesdan: | has anyone else run into this? |
| [01:31:17] | [R]: | itunesdan: do it twice |
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| [01:32:14] | itunesdan: | i've done it countless times, and it doesnt make a difference |
| [01:32:42] | itunesdan: | doesnt matter which theme, either |
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| [01:33:00] | [R]: | weird |
| [01:33:04] | [R]: | works whne i do it twice |
| [01:33:40] | itunesdan: | right? does it have anything to do with the fact that it is strictly a frontend? |
| [01:33:54] | itunesdan: | the backend is a totally seperate machine |
| [01:34:07] | [R]: | most sane people do it that way |
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| [01:35:25] | bas-t: | try deleting your ~/.mythtv/themecache and your ~/.mythtv/themes and then restart your frontend and try downloading a theme again |
| [01:35:32] | itunesdan: | i dont have the frontend packages installed on the backend, though, and i dont know if maybe that has something to do with it. i wouldnt think so, but i dont really know |
| [01:35:43] | [R]: | the backend has ntohign to do with the frontend |
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| [01:36:18] | itunesdan: | yeah i didnt think so, but i've seen some pretty odd things... one can never be too sure |
| [01:38:01] | skd5aner: | Actually, think it requires the backend... |
| [01:38:13] | itunesdan: | lol |
| [01:38:30] | skd5aner: | MythDownloadManager is in the backend, I believe... and mythfrotend tells the backend to retrieve it for it... I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's how it works |
| [01:38:59] | skd5aner: | so long as your backend is online, and your frontend is able to connect, it should work |
| [01:39:12] | skd5aner: | unless your backend is behind a firewall or something and can't call out |
| [01:39:21] | itunesdan: | skd5aner i shouldnt have to download the theme on the backend though, right? |
| [01:39:39] | skd5aner: | correct... you don't do it via the backend itself, you do it via the frontend... |
| [01:39:58] | skd5aner: | it's just that the frontend is telling the backend to do the actual retrieval... |
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| [01:40:23] | itunesdan: | ok. |
| [01:40:29] | itunesdan: | hmm |
| [01:40:37] | skd5aner: | you could check the logs for mythdownloadmanager on your bakend machine |
| [01:40:40] | skd5aner: | and see what it says |
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| [01:42:19] | skd5aner: | or, just mythbackend... I can't remember |
| [01:42:46] | itunesdan: | i dont have a downloadmanager log ... but i will check mythbackend too |
| [01:43:36] | skd5aner: | did the frontend logs say anything? |
| [01:44:12] | itunesdan: | checking those too |
| [01:45:40] | itunesdan: | might have something |
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| [01:46:30] | skd5aner: | pastebin |
| [01:51:45] | itunesdan: | qj6QMthy |
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| [01:52:27] | itunesdan: | i need to clear the actual logfile out... gimme a sec please |
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| [01:53:32] | bas-t: | and change your password? |
| [01:54:28] | itunesdan: | no? ... thats the pastebin header |
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| [01:58:54] | itunesdan: | alright .. a little help maybe? how do you clear the stinking log? |
| [01:59:38] | bas-t: | skd5aner: how could the backend download a theme to my ~/.mythtv/themes folder? I really hope you're mistaken in this |
| [02:00:44] | skd5aner: | bas-t: it doesn't... mythfrontend calls mythbackend, which goes and retrieves, then sends it back to mfe |
| [02:00:49] | skd5aner: | I could be wrong, but that's my understanding |
| [02:01:25] | skd5aner: | itunesdan: stop mythfrontend and start it again – a new log will be created |
| [02:01:33] | skd5aner: | itunesdan: also, send the full pastebin URL |
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| [02:10:20] | itunesdan: | the only thing that comes up in frontend logs is this: (shortened) |
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| [02:10:38] | bas-t: | You could of course bypass the mechanism an just git clone the theme you want into the themes folder. That'll work, done that before |
| [02:11:15] | itunesdan: | W ScreenLoad themeinfo.cpp:74 (parseThemeInfo) ThemeInfo: Unable to open themeinfo.xml for /usr/share/mythtv/themes/BlackCurves-OSD/themeinfo.xml |
| [02:11:57] | itunesdan: | i also get the error line with that |
| [02:12:32] | itunesdan: | however, i dont have that theme installed on here anyway |
| [02:13:14] | itunesdan: | well, i do... kindof – but im not interested in it |
| [02:13:40] | [R]: | ignroe that error |
| [02:14:02] | itunesdan: | yeah |
| [02:14:10] | itunesdan: | thats the last thing in the log |
| [02:14:44] | itunesdan: | xml file is missing for blackcurves-osd and gray-osd |
| [02:16:01] | koffel: | hey all if i use usedid = true my screen goes way overscan in 720p but usedid = false it has no overscan but no hdmi spdif sound |
| [02:16:12] | koffel: | any way to get around this |
| [02:25:08] | bas-t: | itunesdan: say you want the mythbuntu theme. than just do: cd ~/.mythtv/themes && rm -rf Mythbuntu && git clone https://github.com/MythTV-Themes/Mythbuntu.git && git checkout fixes/0.26 |
| [02:25:36] | bas-t: | Now restart your frontend and select the theme |
| [02:29:34] | itunesdan: | hmm |
| [02:29:40] | itunesdan: | i wonder.... |
| [02:29:52] | itunesdan: | is that the command that the script uses by chance? |
| [02:30:03] | bas-t: | no |
| [02:30:18] | bas-t: | it's my method |
| [02:30:24] | itunesdan: | lol |
| [02:31:54] | bas-t: | but i missed one: do cd into Mythbuntu before checking out fixes/0.26 |
| [02:34:39] | bas-t: | what does lol mean in this context? |
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| [03:05:51] | itunesdan: | bas-t |
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| [03:06:28] | itunesdan: | it worked, thank you... i dont know why the GUI doesnt, though, but nonetheless, I have themes, now |
| [03:06:30] | itunesdan: | thank you |
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| [09:26:08] | yianni: | itunesdan: are you using a proxy? |
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| [13:19:11] | francesca: | hi, i need i quick help on mythtv purge |
| [13:19:31] | wagnerrp: | purge? |
| [13:20:03] | francesca: | I have just installed a new mythtv 0.26 on a ubuntu-studio 12.10 ,all using mythbuntu-control-center |
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| [13:20:45] | wagnerrp: | but what's the question |
| [13:21:27] | francesca: | While i was installling i gave some informations as "debconf" , for example login and password for mythweb... i changed my ip address from dhcp to fixed-ip after installation |
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| [13:21:59] | francesca: | the problem is mythtv-setup and mythweb and mythtv-frontend ,nothing works |
| [13:22:10] | francesca: | so i want purge everything and try again |
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| [13:22:24] | wagnerrp: | everything is stored in the database |
| [13:22:35] | wagnerrp: | if you want to "purge" everything, dump the database |
| [13:23:40] | francesca: | It's about 2–3 years I use mythtv, th e big problem i had in the past was always that if something goes wrong I was not able to adjust things |
| [13:24:17] | francesca: | I had always to reinstall everything, mythbuntu in the past. But now I just installed now it... |
| [13:25:26] | francesca: | Database is empty for me , I simply installed primarybackend and frontend usinf mythbuntu-control-center |
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| [13:26:19] | wagnerrp: | if the database is created, but empty, it's because you have not yet run mythtv-setup to populate it |
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| [13:26:56] | francesca: | I simply was unable to run mythtv-setup , so the problem is not a misconfiguration...because i didn't configure nothing at all |
| [13:27:11] | wagnerrp: | how were you unable? |
| [13:28:07] | wagnerrp: | barring some strange X weirdness that actually prevents you from running mythtv-setup, it's almost certainly a misconfiguration with the initial database |
| [13:28:30] | wagnerrp: | most likely, permissions were never set up properly, so mythtv-setup is unable to access the database |
| [13:29:14] | francesca: | mythtv-setup ask my language ,then try to enter in the database with standard things... |
| [13:30:23] | francesca: | mythconverg localhost mythtv mythtv etcc... but suddenly exit again asking about to restart mythbackend and mythfilldatabase |
| [13:31:28] | francesca: | I use an nvidia, it's configured as ubuntustudio decided, it's like 304 driver version. |
| [13:32:49] | francesca: | How to purge everything?? database mysql mythtv-backend and frontend configuration ??? I feel terrible that I can install something but I can't remove it |
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| [13:37:50] | francesca: | unable connect to database, driver error was [1/1045] ||| database error was:access denied for user mythtv@localhost (using password: YES) ||| Impossible to access to database||| cannot find libcec.solibcec.so : impossible to open share file: file or direcotry doesn't exist |
| [13:39:41] | francesca: | these are my errors, is there a way to purge everything?? It's a new installation I have nothing to loose in trying to reinstall , i want to try to not give information in debconf answer , and I have now an fixed-ip. ANY HELP?? |
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| [13:42:02] | wagnerrp: | since this is a basic setup question, and one that is performed differently by the mythbuntu packages, you may be better helped in #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [13:42:23] | wagnerrp: | they are supposed to take care of all that initial database setup for you |
| [13:43:14] | francesca: | ah ok, thanks |
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| [13:45:29] | francesca: | Anyway the question on how to remove database?? how you drop a database?? |
| [13:45:46] | wagnerrp: | 'drop database mythconverg' |
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| [13:45:54] | wagnerrp: | but you need the database login to do that |
| [13:45:59] | francesca: | simply so?? fron a shell? |
| [13:46:21] | wagnerrp: | from the mysql shell, yes |
| [13:46:36] | francesca: | ah ok, but the problem is often that it's not possible to login to the database |
| [13:46:59] | francesca: | so the solutiond in this case is to purge completely mysql, |
| [13:47:22] | wagnerrp: | the package manager is supposed to have the login for that stored away somewhere, and use that stored login to set up mythtv's database automatically |
| [13:47:38] | wagnerrp: | if that has failed, you need to figure out why the package has failed to do so |
| [13:48:46] | francesca: | How to enter in a mysql shell? |
| [13:49:35] | francesca: | what I have to write in the shell?? I suppose login is mythtv and password is mythtv... |
| [13:51:36] | francesca: | anyway the problem is that I have used mythbuntu-control-center , this software install everything but if things don't work you don't know what to do... |
| [13:52:19] | francesca: | anyway I'd like to know How to drop mythconveg datatabse and how to remove completely mysql |
| [13:58:37] | bas-t: | do: mysql --user=root --password=<yourmysqlrootpassword> |
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| [13:59:06] | natanojl: | francesca: Were you the one who created #11330 ? |
| [13:59:06] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11330 ** | |
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| [14:01:13] | francesca: | ok I have done it, my password was empty fo root... |
| [14:01:41] | bas-t: | so you dropped mythconverg? |
| [14:02:23] | francesca: | now I can remove mythconverg database with " drop database mythconverg" ,is it so? |
| [14:02:56] | francesca: | after that what to do?? |
| [14:05:15] | bas-t: | after that, type exit and recreate things as you wish, like reinstall mythtv-database |
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| [14:12:12] | bas-t: | one way to do this is: |
| [14:12:52] | bas-t: | apt-get purge mythtv-database -y && apt-get install mythtv-database -y |
| [14:13:53] | francesca: | how to exit from mysql shell? |
| [14:14:19] | bas-t: | type exit |
| [14:14:38] | francesca: | doesn't work |
| [14:14:47] | bas-t: | \q |
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| [14:14:57] | bas-t: | or quit |
| [14:14:57] | francesca: | ok |
| [14:15:37] | francesca: | so if now I reinstall mythtv-database, mythconverg will be recreated... |
| [14:15:49] | bas-t: | yes |
| [14:16:05] | francesca: | anok I try |
| [14:16:08] | francesca: | ok I try |
| [14:20:14] | francesca: | It asked me only of I want to run from other computer... |
| [14:20:32] | bas-t: | you probably have to prepend the commands I showed with sudo |
| [14:20:53] | francesca: | yes |
| [14:20:57] | francesca: | i have done |
| [14:21:00] | francesca: | nothing changed |
| [14:21:05] | francesca: | nothing works |
| [14:21:09] | francesca: | thanks anyway |
| [14:22:04] | bas-t: | you can also try 'dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database' |
| [14:23:58] | bas-t: | after that run mythtv-setup |
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| [14:25:24] | bas-t: | I hate these problems, that's why I never use mythbuntu-control-centre. |
| [14:25:59] | bas-t: | In fact I don't even use packages for myth at all, I compile from git. |
| [14:26:33] | bas-t: | And then configure all myself |
| [14:27:24] | bas-t: | So, if somethin goes wrong, I do know where to look |
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| [14:41:35] | bas-t: | francesca: it is also possible (if you use 0.26 or later) that the timezone info is not loaded into mysql. |
| [14:41:48] | bas-t: | to do this, do: |
| [14:42:03] | bas-t: | mysql_tzinfo_to_sql /usr/share/zoneinfo | mysql -u root -p mysql >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| [14:42:19] | bas-t: | and after that restart mysql |
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| [16:52:09] | runelind: | how is the experience running mythtv with a HDHomeRun Prime box and an Intel Atom Processor with an NVidia 9400M? |
| [16:52:27] | runelind: | was hoping to be able to record shows while watching live tv. |
| [16:52:28] | wagnerrp: | with the atom as the backend? likely poor |
| [16:52:41] | wagnerrp: | too low performance to run the scheduler against that many channels |
| [16:53:35] | runelind: | hrm |
| [16:54:00] | runelind: | I guess I also have my mac mini, but it is running plex duties full-time. |
| [16:54:27] | wagnerrp: | should do fine as a frontend, so long as you get a clean signal with no significant errors for VDPAU to choke on |
| [16:54:33] | wagnerrp: | generally not a problem with cable |
| [16:54:38] | wagnerrp: | what cable provider, specifically? |
| [16:54:42] | runelind: | Comcast. |
| [16:54:47] | wagnerrp: | ok |
| [16:54:50] | wagnerrp: | just checking |
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| [16:56:10] | runelind: | have people found that comcast generally keeps the copy-protection turned off on most of their content? |
| [16:56:20] | runelind: | especially looking at sporting events. |
| [16:56:21] | wagnerrp: | usually everything but premiums |
| [16:57:01] | wagnerrp: | http://www.ronfrazier.net/mythtv/cci/index.php |
| [16:57:37] | runelind: | thanks, although I'm in Denver |
| [16:58:15] | runelind: | although it looks like it should be OK. |
| [16:59:17] | runelind: | so I could could connect the cablecard tuner to a faster box elsewhere on my network and just use a lighter box connected to my TV? |
| [16:59:21] | runelind: | -could |
| [17:00:37] | runelind: | sounds like I need to do some more reading on this topic |
| [17:01:05] | wagnerrp: | correct. mythtv is designed as a cluster, not a single appliance |
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| [17:03:10] | runelind: | excellent, I have plenty of hardware on the backend |
| [17:05:27] | runelind: | what are your general thoughts on the HDHomeRun vs other devices? |
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| [17:05:50] | runelind: | number of tuners are of very little concern to me. |
| [17:07:28] | wagnerrp: | i have one, but that's primarily because network attached means it works on any system |
| [17:07:40] | wagnerrp: | no need to worry about absent tuner drivers for freebsd |
| [17:07:57] | runelind: | yeah, I'm thinking of connecting the tuner to my FreeBSD box. |
| [17:08:04] | wagnerrp: | plus it means i can shift tuners around for development and testing without having to move physical hardware |
| [17:08:29] | wagnerrp: | i've had my master backend sitting on a freebsd jail for years |
| [17:09:38] | wagnerrp: | i take a lightweight ZFS snapshot any time i update, rollback if there's a problem, and can do everything most people want virtual machines for without the overhead and hassle of an actual virtual machine |
| [17:09:49] | runelind: | yup. |
| [17:10:36] | wagnerrp: | note that for thinks like UPnP and broadcast messaging, the jail will need a full network stack |
| [17:10:46] | wagnerrp: | *things |
| [17:10:58] | runelind: | yeah, I probably won't use a jail. |
| [17:11:06] | wagnerrp: | which means either having a dedicated NIC for the jail, or patching your kernel for VIMAGE |
| [17:11:12] | runelind: | i also have an ESXi box that can handle things |
| [17:11:49] | ** wagnerrp jumps back and hisses ** | |
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| [17:14:09] | wagnerrp: | honestly, i've got nothing against virtualization, i just think most home users use it for the wrong reasons |
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| [17:14:55] | wagnerrp: | IMO, you use virtualization for security or development, and running other OSs if you have no other option |
| [17:15:45] | wagnerrp: | but people on the mailing list keep wanting to put mythtv in a virtual machine just to keep it isolated for the purposes of easy upgrades |
| [17:15:53] | wagnerrp: | which has nothing to do with virtual machines |
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| [17:17:57] | wagnerrp: | of course i try to explain that to all the VM-lovers on the mailing list, and get branded a troll who has no idea what they're talking about |
| [17:20:31] | runelind: | wow, mythtv for freebsd has a ton of deps |
| [17:20:52] | wagnerrp: | i'm sure mythtv for everything has a ton of deps |
| [17:21:19] | wagnerrp: | qt and xorg are the big ones, and probably account for ~200 packages between the two of them |
| [17:22:03] | wagnerrp: | if you want, i can print out the `pkg_info` for the buildbot |
| [17:24:56] | runelind: | if I start compiling now, maybe it'll be done by the time the tuner arrives on Wednesday ;p |
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| [18:58:09] | francesca: | hi, where can I find the locg of the this chat?? I need something I questioned some hour ago. |
| [18:59:44] | wagnerrp: | !logs |
| [18:59:49] | wagnerrp: | !url logs |
| [18:59:49] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [18:59:54] | francesca: | sorry...yes logs |
| [19:01:33] | francesca: | thanks |
| [19:05:35] | jarle: | I'm trying to fix a problem with rescheduling making mysqld run at 100% CPU and freezing all db access, anybody have any suggestions? -> http://pastebin.com/NH0sM7mV |
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| [19:15:08] | francesca: | How to fix this?? Error: Mythtv database has newer TV schema (1310) than expected |
| [19:15:46] | jarle: | francesca: where do you see this error? |
| [19:16:41] | francesca: | launching mythtv-setup. I have installed 0.27 just because 0.26 was giving me problems, then I understood that my problems where probably about a misconfigured password |
| [19:17:43] | jarle: | francesca: I'm guessting you are launching the 0.26 version of mythtv-setup instead of the new one? |
| [19:18:07] | francesca: | now I installed again 0.26, i tried also to "drop mythconverg" and to reconfigure mythtv-database. Yes i removed everything of 0.27 |
| [19:18:54] | wagnerrp: | that error means you are still trying to access the existing developmental 0.27 database |
| [19:18:59] | francesca: | It's so ,I have just cheked. maybe i have to restart mysql?? |
| [19:19:09] | jarle: | francesca: there is no way to go back after upgrading.... |
| [19:19:10] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [19:19:20] | wagnerrp: | you just never deleted the database and created a new one |
| [19:19:31] | wagnerrp: | jarle: he's starting fresh anyway... |
| [19:19:40] | jarle: | wagnerrp: ok :) |
| [19:21:05] | francesca: | ok, I have installed all mythtv 0.26, that's sure, but i have the old database for 0.27 inside mysql...is it right?? |
| [19:21:32] | wagnerrp: | that's how it appears |
| [19:21:38] | francesca: | so now I go inside mysql with " mysql --user=root --password=<yourmysqlrootpassword> |
| [19:22:15] | francesca: | i launch 'drop database mythconverg' |
| [19:22:49] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that you never created the database on your own in the first place |
| [19:22:54] | francesca: | mysql says nothing...i have to suppose I dropped the database, am I right? |
| [19:22:56] | wagnerrp: | the packages did it for you |
| [19:23:13] | wagnerrp: | so if you drop the database, i'm not sure if there is a way to make the packages automatically create a new one |
| [19:23:22] | wagnerrp: | i've never used ubuntu or mythbuntu to know how that mechanism works |
| [19:24:00] | ** tgm4883 peeks in ** | |
| [19:24:17] | francesca: | mythtv-database is the package, i can remove and reinstall it... |
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| [19:25:57] | francesca: | mythtv-database is the softaware to create the database,isn't it? |
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| [19:28:46] | tgm4883: | so you are trying to drop the database? |
| [19:29:08] | francesca: | I suppose i have already drop the database |
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| [19:29:24] | tgm4883: | francesca, why are you supposing, and not verifying? |
| [19:29:42] | tgm4883: | mysql -u root -p |
| [19:29:48] | tgm4883: | enter password |
| [19:29:51] | tgm4883: | show databases; |
| [19:29:56] | tgm4883: | does it list mythconverg |
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| [19:30:54] | francesca: | yes it does |
| [19:31:32] | tgm4883: | then you didn't drop it |
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| [19:31:42] | francesca: | information_schema \ mysql \mythconverg \perfomance_schema \test |
| [19:31:56] | tgm4883: | drop database mythconverg; |
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| [19:32:37] | francesca: | ok, i was missing ";" i suppose |
| [19:32:50] | tmr_: | Hi, I'm getting desperate with mythtv not finding lots of dvb-s channels, while scan, w_scan, and even kaffeine do find them. I even can't import a channels.conf from w_scan, and I don't find any clue googling around |
| [19:32:51] | tgm4883: | yea |
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| [19:35:31] | tmr_: | is there any special format channels.conf has to follow? |
| [19:37:05] | dekarl: | tmr_: importing channels.conf doesn't work anymore and is going to be removed soon[tm] |
| [19:37:15] | tmr_: | dekarl: oh |
| [19:37:56] | tmr_: | dekarl: but I think the channels.conf produced by "scan" did "work", meaning the transponders were imported |
| [19:37:59] | dekarl: | the channel scan does find some channels? (as in you have the DiSEqC setup step completed) |
| [19:38:24] | tmr_: | yeah it finds lots of channels, but still there are many channels missing |
| [19:38:44] | tmr_: | some very common FTA german tv channels for example |
| [19:38:57] | tmr_: | and some austrian radio channels that I really would like to have |
| [19:39:18] | tmr_: | kaffeine finds them and gets a lock |
| [19:39:48] | dekarl: | I recently rescanned on DVB-C and could get more channels with manualy scanning the missing transports |
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| [19:40:13] | tmr_: | I'm using mythtv since half a year, and everything else works fine |
| [19:40:20] | tmr_: | just that i miss lots of channels |
| [19:40:25] | tmr_: | I tried that too, several times |
| [19:40:55] | tmr_: | got the specs from the astra site, and scanned the transponder manually...no new channels found :( |
| [19:41:29] | tmr_: | increased the tuning timeout or whatever it is called...no change |
| [19:42:13] | dekarl: | hmm, can you post the PAT/SDT/PMT of the multiplex in question to a bug report on trac? (using dvbtune in one shell to tune the multiplex, dvbsnoop 0x10,0x11,<the pids of the PMT as found in the PAT) in another shell) |
| [19:43:47] | dekarl: | ohh, and PID 0x0 |
| [19:44:12] | tmr_: | phew, will try |
| [19:44:41] | dekarl: | I have to leave, the channel scan has some subtle issues that we have not yet found out, yet :/ |
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| [19:46:50] | volarp: | dekarl: nothing subtle about it |
| [19:47:18] | volarp: | dekarl: brain-dead would be a better description |
| [19:48:47] | francesca: | Thanks wagnerrp ,jarle and tgm4883 . Now after I dropped the database mythconverg, after purged and reinstalled mythtv-database , myth-setup works. Mythtv-setup asked me to upgrade to schema 1307 , now i'm going to configure dvb-t and to search some channel. |
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| [19:53:53] | volarp: | tmr_: I know this probably isn't what you'd like to hear, but manual importing of channels has been the most reliable |
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| [19:54:21] | tmr_: | volarp: can you elaborate? what do you exactly mean by "manual"? |
| [19:55:03] | volarp: | tmr_: import channels using the channel and dtv_multiplex tables |
| [19:55:08] | volarp: | using sql |
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| [19:55:27] | tmr_: | ah, I was looking for a way how that works |
| [19:55:43] | tmr_: | because I'm basically missing just a few channels I really want to have |
| [19:55:43] | volarp: | not that difficult really if you have a valid/complete channels.conf file |
| [19:56:01] | volarp: | tmr_: sure, then it would be even easier |
| [19:56:09] | tmr_: | yeah, I have, and I'm quite familar with SQL and scripting |
| [19:56:18] | tmr_: | but i don't know mythtv too much |
| [19:56:29] | tmr_: | and DVB ;) |
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| [19:57:18] | volarp: | you don't actually need to know much about dvb.... |
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| [19:58:20] | volarp: | you just need a good frequency table and you're pretty much set |
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| [19:58:56] | tmr_: | I have that: http://pastebin.com/1nGPDDQ9 |
| [19:59:03] | tmr_: | that's from w_scan |
| [19:59:27] | volarp: | populate the dtv_multiplex table with a full (not sparse) frequency table of your area |
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| [20:02:22] | tmr_: | hm, where do I get that from? |
| [20:03:45] | tmr_: | http://www.satindex.de/astra-transponder.php ? |
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| [20:10:19] | volarp: | tmr_: not a bad start. But you need to figure out the correct frequency offset betw. that table and the one myth uses |
| [20:12:05] | volarp: | tmr_: if you find an xml version it would be easy to use xquery to import it into dtv_multiplex |
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| [20:13:58] | tmr_: | volarp: http://pastebin.com/5HxZaL4t |
| [20:14:07] | tmr_: | volarp: but what about the offsets? |
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| [20:15:58] | volarp: | tmr_: probably an easy way to figure that out is look for a channel that myth can currently tune w/o issues |
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| [20:16:36] | volarp: | and work backwards from that frequency to that xml table (constant offset) |
| [20:16:37] | tmr_: | volarp: hm, need to do a scan again first, currently empty tables |
| [20:17:01] | volarp: | you find one correct offset you know them all |
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| [20:27:45] | tmr_: | volarp: its not contanst |
| [20:28:08] | tmr_: | i have offsets of -250, +500 and 0 after having a look |
| [20:28:35] | volarp: | that is constant :) |
| [20:28:51] | volarp: | it just means you have a sparse table |
| [20:29:00] | tmr_: | how is that constant? |
| [20:29:03] | volarp: | off by 250 |
| [20:29:29] | tmr_: | and multiples of 250? |
| [20:29:32] | volarp: | yup |
| [20:29:34] | tmr_: | ah |
| [20:30:06] | tmr_: | i miss about 2/3 of the transponders |
| [20:30:13] | tmr_: | i have 36, there should be >100 |
| [20:30:30] | volarp: | yeah, don't worry about the myth scan |
| [20:30:39] | volarp: | it's brain-dead |
| [20:31:04] | tmr_: | couldn't i just insert the missing transponder now? |
| [20:31:07] | volarp: | the key is to import that xml file into dtv_multiplex |
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| [20:31:18] | volarp: | tmr_: yes you can |
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| [20:31:47] | volarp: | but I tell people thhey are better off having COMPLETE frequency table in the DB |
| [20:31:47] | tmr_: | if i'm primarily interested in missing channels of a single transponder |
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| [20:32:10] | tmr_: | hm, i'm just completely unfamiliar with xquery |
| [20:32:19] | volarp: | tmr_: sure, if you know what you're doing that's not really a problem |
| [20:32:52] | volarp: | tmr_: you know XPATH? |
| [20:32:59] | tmr_: | not really |
| [20:33:03] | volarp: | sigh |
| [20:33:11] | tmr_: | haven't used xml too much |
| [20:33:22] | volarp: | it's not hard |
| [20:33:40] | volarp: | XPATH is analogous to directory paths |
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| [20:33:59] | volarp: | if you know XPATH you're ready to use XQUERY |
| [20:34:07] | tmr_: | i think its for specifying a location in the DOM? |
| [20:34:16] | tmr_: | but couldn't i just use awk ;) |
| [20:34:18] | volarp: | especially since you already have sql background |
| [20:34:44] | tmr_: | dont sigh ;) |
| [20:34:52] | volarp: | tmr_: you could use awk if you pass xml into xmllint |
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| [20:36:12] | volarp: | how the hell can you know sql and not know xquery/xpath in this day and age is beyond me |
| [20:36:29] | volarp: | think it would be a requirement by now |
| [20:38:01] | tmr_: | I just never really needed it, can learn everything |
| [20:38:21] | tmr_: | I just never really needed it, can't learn everything |
| [20:38:39] | volarp: | use whatever tool you want |
| [20:38:43] | tmr_: | anyways, how should i manipulate the frequencies? |
| [20:38:55] | tmr_: | +250? |
| [20:39:01] | volarp: | I'm just saying xquery is totally suited for something like this |
| [20:39:40] | volarp: | if you use awk awk is perfectly capable of doing math |
| [20:40:02] | volarp: | I would even do awk math |
| [20:40:20] | volarp: | just import the frequencies into myth and do sql math |
| [20:40:30] | volarp: | wouldn't* |
| [20:41:20] | volarp: | update dtv_multiplex set freq=freq+250; |
| [20:41:40] | volarp: | something like that |
| [20:42:10] | tmr_: | and then a scan over all known transponders? |
| [20:42:25] | volarp: | no |
| [20:42:34] | volarp: | don't use myth scan, period |
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| [20:42:45] | volarp: | screw you over royally |
| [20:43:09] | tmr_: | how do i get the channels of all these transponders then? |
| [20:43:31] | volarp: | import the channels manually from channels.conf (once you have the full frequecy table) |
| [20:43:36] | tmr_: | ah |
| [20:44:55] | tmr_: | do you know which fields in the channels table are foreign? I think sourceid, mplexid, serviceid? |
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| [20:46:22] | volarp: | sounds about right (but you should double check) |
| [20:46:49] | volarp: | service id comes from channels.conf |
| [20:47:21] | volarp: | sourceid is whatever sourceid you associated with the bird/tuner |
| [20:48:29] | volarp: | shit |
| [20:48:42] | volarp: | just looked at your channels.conf |
| [20:49:58] | volarp: | unless I'm missing something it gives you "generic" serviceid |
| [20:50:09] | volarp: | not particularly useful |
| [20:50:23] | volarp: | need finer grain than that |
| [20:51:12] | volarp: | it's giving you the whole "multiplex" rather than giving you the PID |
| [20:51:28] | volarp: | lame |
| [20:51:58] | volarp: | use one of the other scan tools that give you the proper PID |
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| [21:41:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: But why would I want a 25W-idle 3.1GHz Ivy Bridge when I could have a 19W-idle Atom that's slow in the UI and has no headroom and ... Maybe you rich folk can afford $6/yr for luxuries like responsive UI and ability to play Flash video without VDPAU, but the 99% has to settle to save that $6. |
| [21:42:12] | ** sphery goes to fix himself a bowl of shoe-leather soup ** | |
| [21:43:55] | sid3windr: | it's 12 eur/year, not $6 ! other than that, your argument still stands ;> |
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| [21:51:46] | justinh: | all hail the mighty flea! |
| [21:51:59] | justinh: | er.. I mean Atom. Atom |
| [21:54:16] | justinh: | my boss mentioned the other day he's been pretty impressed by his raspberry flea I MEAN Pi running Egg Box Meeja server or whatever |
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| [22:00:43] | tmr_: | volarp: I have tried just to add the transponder I'm missing, and the channel, it doesnt work |
| [22:01:09] | tmr_: | experimented with +/- 250*(0,1,2) |
| [22:01:27] | tmr_: | tried the frequency kaffeine locks on, no change |
| [22:02:31] | volarp: | tmr_: in that case I doubt you added all the proper/correct fields to the mythdb |
| [22:04:08] | tmr_: | volarp: I doublechecked |
| [22:04:26] | tmr_: | compared the other multiplexes and channels in the db |
| [22:04:53] | volarp: | tmr_: that doesn't tell me anything |
| [22:05:17] | volarp: | tmr_: I have no idea if other entries even work |
| [22:05:30] | tmr_: | they do |
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| [22:05:47] | volarp: | dunno what to tell you |
| [22:06:14] | volarp: | I'm always manually added stuff with very good results |
| [22:06:28] | volarp: | I've always manually added stuff with very good results |
| [22:07:20] | volarp: | also you didn't tell me which channels.conf you used |
| [22:07:31] | volarp: | i.e. is it one with proper pids |
| [22:07:52] | volarp: | instead of some generic multiplex |
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| [22:13:23] | tmr_: | I have looked up the serviceid for the channel on http://www.satindex.de/sat/astra-free/ , the list is consistent with the other channels mythtv find, and also kaffeine |
| [22:14:01] | tmr_: | there are no other relevant fields in the channel table |
| [22:14:12] | tmr_: | besides mplexid and sourceid |
| [22:14:32] | tmr_: | there are no fields for audio and video pids |
| [22:14:41] | tmr_: | etc. |
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| [22:16:03] | volarp: | tmr_: that's baloney |
| [22:16:53] | volarp: | tmr_: the "serviceid" in the channels table is the video pid |
| [22:17:20] | justinh: | no, the serviceid is the *ServiceID* |
| [22:18:08] | volarp: | tmr_: like I said unless you know what the fields stand for there is no way you'd get it to work |
| [22:18:20] | tmr_: | how should radio channels then be there, with a videopid of 0? |
| [22:18:34] | justinh: | mythtv doesn't store PIDs |
| [22:18:40] | justinh: | it hasn't done that for a VERY long time |
| [22:18:43] | volarp: | justinh: yes, you are correct, what I'd call the tsprog |
| [22:19:39] | justinh: | what I would call the serviceid because that's its name |
| [22:19:42] | volarp: | justinh: I was going by memory and mis-stated |
| [22:20:15] | justinh: | in any case, messing about in the database is an exercise in folly :-) |
| [22:21:01] | volarp: | but regardless, since tmr is using a channels.conf that doesn't specify the serviceid he's going to have difficulty |
| [22:21:11] | tmr_: | justinh: mythtv is missing lots of channels |
| [22:21:37] | tmr_: | volarp: i do, serviceid is 13121 |
| [22:21:52] | volarp: | justinh: considering tmr can't even scan the right channels you're welcome to suggest another way that works |
| [22:22:01] | justinh: | broadcasters have a habit of not following the DVB spec properly meaning programs have to shoehorn workarounds in |
| [22:22:11] | tmr_: | on tsid 1115 |
| [22:22:18] | volarp: | justinh: bullshit |
| [22:22:26] | justinh: | OI. Language |
| [22:22:33] | volarp: | mythtv channel scanning is brain dead |
| [22:22:39] | justinh: | and for the record, I'm not making this stuff up |
| [22:22:46] | justinh: | volarp: fine. so go use something else then |
| [22:22:51] | volarp: | don't blame that on broadcasters |
| [22:23:08] | justinh: | look in the source code for scanners & mythtv then |
| [22:23:20] | volarp: | justinh: that's your answer to a legit complaint? |
| [22:23:29] | justinh: | complaining will solve nothing |
| [22:23:30] | volarp: | there is no need to look |
| [22:23:42] | volarp: | kaffeine scans it fine |
| [22:23:45] | justinh: | for all we know, you could just be plugging numbers in all over the place |
| [22:23:49] | volarp: | mythtv does not |
| [22:23:53] | justinh: | so? |
| [22:24:19] | volarp: | so? it means it has nothing to do with broadcasters |
| [22:24:20] | justinh: | the values for tuning & lock timeouts have been set to 'sensible' defaults which may or may not be suitable for your setup |
| [22:24:29] | volarp: | haha |
| [22:24:33] | justinh: | no it doesn't mean that at all |
| [22:24:33] | volarp: | right |
| [22:24:48] | justinh: | it means that broadcasters DO NOT ALWAYS FOLLOW THE DARN SPEC |
| [22:24:49] | volarp: | justinh: sure it does |
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| [22:25:00] | volarp: | kaffeine doesn't need eons to lock |
| [22:25:07] | justinh: | sigh |
| [22:25:16] | justinh: | well, good luck |
| [22:25:20] | volarp: | mythttv takes ages (if it locks at all) |
| [22:26:02] | volarp: | so you're bs'ing about time-outs now too |
| [22:26:04] | justinh: | it might also be that you've left some fields unpopulated in the scanner & your DVB tuner doesn't like being left to guess |
| [22:26:12] | volarp: | lol |
| [22:26:38] | volarp: | tmr_: didn't have to tell kaffeine much |
| [22:26:45] | volarp: | tmr_ didn't have to tell kaffeine much |
| [22:26:47] | justinh: | laugh all you like. you won't be getting any help here – or at least you wouldn't know good advice if it punched you in the face |
| [22:26:56] | volarp: | certainly not more than myth |
| [22:27:04] | justinh: | I mean, you know best |
| [22:27:11] | tmr_: | justinh: I've tried to manually scan that exact transponder, I don't get any new channels |
| [22:27:19] | volarp: | justinh: with heelp like yours nobody needs enemies |
| [22:27:45] | justinh: | volarp: you just keep sitting there saying it's mythtv's fault. so what if it is? yelling about it in here won't fix it |
| [22:28:47] | volarp: | justinh: nobody is yelling |
| [22:29:05] | justinh: | or even talking about bugs. that doesn't fix them either |
| [22:29:12] | volarp: | you said messing with db is bad. (I happen to agree) |
| [22:29:35] | volarp: | but since scanning doesn't work I asked you to provide alternative |
| [22:29:42] | justinh: | there isn't one |
| [22:29:47] | volarp: | you haven't done so |
| [22:29:51] | volarp: | yes there is |
| [22:30:03] | justinh: | no there isn't. not one anybody here would condone or support |
| [22:30:07] | volarp: | it's called scanning using another tool |
| [22:30:25] | volarp: | nobody gives a crap what you "condone" |
| [22:30:40] | volarp: | we're just trying to make it work |
| [22:30:47] | volarp: | end of story |
| [22:31:20] | volarp: | since you don't have an alternative calling workarounds "yelling" is disingenous at best |
| [22:31:48] | volarp: | go bury your head in the sand someplace else |
| [22:31:58] | justinh: | and since people who moan about stuff not working in here isn't actually reporting a problem folks will always be stuck with workarounds anyway |
| [22:32:06] | volarp: | so what |
| [22:32:28] | volarp: | at least we're actively tring to figure it out |
| [22:32:32] | volarp: | unlike you. |
| [22:32:36] | justinh: | oh shut up |
| [22:32:41] | volarp: | trying |
| [22:32:48] | jams: | really this converstation has gone one long enough |
| [22:33:01] | justinh: | so myth can't scan it, you can't import from a channels.conf? |
| [22:33:29] | jams: | continuing it with such agression doesnt help anybody |
| [22:33:32] | justinh: | I dunno what else there is left after that other than the one thing nobody here would condone, because frankly we've seen too many borked databases |
| [22:33:56] | volarp: | jesus christ |
| [22:34:20] | tmr_: | justinh: no, I'm having problems with that too. the output of w_scan doesnt work |
| [22:34:23] | volarp: | if the dude borks his own db he takes his own responsibility |
| [22:34:34] | volarp: | we don't need your papal consent |
| [22:34:54] | justinh: | lol |
| [22:35:19] | tmr_: | the missing channels are in the output of scan, but the import of that doesnt result in mythtv recognizing all the channels |
| [22:35:24] | justinh: | tmr_: I never had the patience for w_scan |
| [22:36:07] | tmr_: | justinh: I had, didnt help me anyways |
| [22:36:12] | justinh: | is there anything the missing channels have in common? |
| [22:36:29] | justinh: | are they all on the same transponder, etc? |
| [22:36:32] | tmr_: | yes |
| [22:36:42] | tmr_: | but there are several transponders completely missing |
| [22:36:54] | justinh: | and is there much difference between the details of the working transponders & the non-working ones? |
| [22:37:00] | volarp: | tmr_: w_scan works fine for me (in conjunction with mplayer) |
| [22:37:50] | justinh: | mythtv needs to be able to read serviceids of channels you want to pull in. if it can't, they won't be added AFAIK |
| [22:37:57] | volarp: | tmr_: and when I populate db with channels.conf and serviceid it works fine |
| [22:39:44] | tmr_: | justinh: the only thing that jumps in my eye is that the highest frequency of transponders found in the scans is 11895000 |
| [22:40:10] | justinh: | you mean in mythtv's scans? |
| [22:40:19] | tmr_: | the highest freq in the transponders of astra 19.2E is 12728 |
| [22:40:20] | tmr_: | yes |
| [22:40:53] | tmr_: | i see both DVB-S and S2, H/V pol, different modulations....no pattern there |
| [22:40:54] | justinh: | and you've tried adding the correct details of a missing transponder in the scanner manually, then scan it? |
| [22:41:01] | tmr_: | yes |
| [22:41:05] | tmr_: | no new channels found |
| [22:42:11] | justinh: | anything relevant in the output of mythtv-setup? |
| [22:42:25] | justinh: | I mean the terminal you ran it from.. if you didn't, I think you should :-) |
| [22:43:00] | volarp: | tmr_: you should do a sanity check on that serivceid using mplayer (-tsprog switch) |
| [22:43:24] | volarp: | serviceid |
| [22:43:27] | dekarl: | tmr_ that might be a sign of the DiSEqC tuning not being able to switch from low band to high band... |
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| [22:44:17] | tmr_: | dekarl: hm, I'm not familiar with the exact setup, i configured LNB and it worked (mostly) |
| [22:44:24] | justinh: | dekarl: wouldn't explain why other programs can tune to it no problem though |
| [22:44:59] | justinh: | unless there's a bug in mythtv's diseqc signalling code |
| [22:45:20] | justinh: | but that'd be pretty fundamental I'd have thought |
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| [22:45:33] | tmr_: | justinh: http://pastebin.com/00WsQmwF |
| [22:45:57] | dekarl: | justinh: just an idea based on the cut off frequency |
| [22:46:12] | justinh: | bingo "Your frequency setting (2913000) is out of range. (min/max:950000/2150000)" |
| [22:46:36] | volarp: | lol |
| [22:46:40] | justinh: | wowser. that's a doozy |
| [22:47:00] | tmr_: | yeah, but I inserted 12663000 |
| [22:47:20] | justinh: | so why's it not saying 12663000 ? |
| [22:47:37] | tmr_: | no idea |
| [22:47:43] | volarp: | tmr_: why dout you pastebin contents of dtv_multiplex and channel tables |
| [22:47:45] | dekarl: | tmr_: you have the real frequency "over the air" and you have the intermediate frequency on the coax-cable between LNB and your card... |
| [22:47:54] | volarp: | tmr_: why dont you pastebin contents of dtv_multiplex and channel tables |
| [22:49:55] | tmr_: | volarp: http://pastebin.com/MvAHWtdE http://pastebin.com/wwHs5Ldf |
| [22:50:02] | justinh: | anyway, what's this where the DVB driver is saying it can't count uncorrected blocks? Monitoring signal quality might be a bit tricky with that. heh |
| [22:50:26] | runelind: | I am running mythtv as a backend on my FreeBSD 9 box. I'm trying to run mythtv-setup from a remote session (OS X with XQuartz) via ssh -X, but the mythtv server is still complaining that it can't connect to XServer |
| [22:50:55] | dekarl: | tmr_ did you select "Universal LNB"? |
| [22:51:01] | dekarl: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-noise_block_ . . . ra.22_LNB.29 |
| [22:51:45] | tmr_: | dekarl: hm, no, single LNB was selected |
| [22:52:09] | runelind: | hrm, a FreeBSD problem as I can't open xclock either, never mind, carry on. |
| [22:52:09] | justinh: | tmr_: can't see 12663000 anywhere there |
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| [22:52:27] | justinh: | tmr_: think you needed to say universal LNB |
| [22:52:39] | tmr_: | justinh: I was experimenting with offsets |
| [22:52:48] | tmr_: | mplexid 335 afair |
| [22:53:28] | justinh: | why? never heard of offsets being needed for dvb-s |
| [22:54:23] | tmr_: | as volarp, or better don't ;) |
| [22:54:26] | tmr_: | ask volarp, or better don't ;) |
| [22:54:30] | tmr_: | guys, that looks good |
| [22:54:54] | justinh: | if all else fails, check the keyboard to chair interface ;-) |
| [22:55:06] | dekarl: | tmr_ please try "Universal (Europe)" instead of "Single (Europe)" |
| [22:55:19] | tmr_: | it locks now on the frequency and scans on and on |
| [22:55:25] | tmr_: | dekarl: yes i have ;) |
| [22:55:36] | justinh: | single LNB doubtless will refer to the old kind of LNB with a single frequency range. no switching of bands etc |
| [22:56:26] | justinh: | as for why kaffeine 'just works'.. maybe it makes a bunch of assumptions about stuff which breaks things for some people :-P |
| [22:56:53] | justinh: | hey ho. looks like a problem solved, and all without a single mysql command |
| [22:57:10] | tmr_: | lots of new transponders found |
| [22:57:24] | tmr_: | but still 70% of scanning to go |
| [22:57:36] | justinh: | hey don't be counting chickens yet |
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| [23:08:20] | justinh: | and our survey said....? |
| [23:08:34] | justinh: | then again, I've no idea how long dvb-s scans can take |
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| [23:10:05] | dekarl: | with "ignore timeouts" and "check decryptability" (I need that on FTA cable as the channels are signalled encrypted when they really are not encrypted) it will take some time (I think it was 20–30 minutes for cable) |
| [23:10:23] | dekarl: | might be a bit longer for sat |
| [23:11:07] | tmr_: | more than a doubling in available channels |
| [23:11:57] | justinh: | see my previous comment about broadcasters adhering to the spec.. ;-) |
| [23:12:22] | volarp: | bs |
| [23:12:29] | justinh: | I'm an idiot most of the time, but none more than when I'm right |
| [23:12:33] | volarp: | if that's the case no tv would work |
| [23:12:47] | dekarl: | justinh: you are preaching to the choir with me :) |
| [23:12:54] | justinh: | no, because STBs & junk have got the workarounds they need |
| [23:12:54] | dekarl: | volarp: thats just not true. |
| [23:13:15] | justinh: | when you're trying to make a thing work in more than one country, with more than one company... |
| [23:13:19] | justinh: | oh man. it's a mess |
| [23:13:28] | volarp: | right, like kaffeine has "workarounds" |
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| [23:13:38] | justinh: | yup. betcha it does |
| [23:13:55] | volarp: | no, it's just not as braindead |
| [23:13:57] | dekarl: | there are many ways to imlement the specs and providers will only fix bugs that don't break their own STB (which is 2–3 devices only) and ignore stuff that breaks other kit |
| [23:14:40] | justinh: | volarp: remind me again why you use mythtv if it's so crap? |
| [23:14:56] | volarp: | jesus christ |
| [23:15:09] | volarp: | scanning was broken for the longest time |
| [23:15:29] | volarp: | justinh: keep trying to deny that |
| [23:15:40] | dekarl: | volarp: broadcaster transmit signals not following the specs since the invention of radio, you are not going to change that |
| [23:15:53] | volarp: | for the longest time manual intervention in the DB was necessary |
| [23:16:05] | justinh: | scanning gets broken & unbroken for people all the time in mythtv – while at the same time remaining unbroken for lots of people |
| [23:16:18] | justinh: | go figure |
| [23:16:28] | volarp: | dekarl: don't try to blame poor mythtv scanning on "not following specs" |
| [23:16:30] | dekarl: | the dvb part of mythtv just hasn't seen as much polish as other peoples dvb parts |
| [23:16:48] | volarp: | even atsc scanning in myth was broken for YEARS |
| [23:16:54] | tmr_: | YES |
| [23:16:58] | tmr_: | THANKS! |
| [23:17:07] | justinh: | yeah. mythtv had no users using ATSC for like ever |
| [23:17:16] | dekarl: | volarp: just because the channel scanner doesn't work is by no means a sign of broadcasters doing a good job :) |
| [23:17:20] | volarp: | dekarl: way before your appearance |
| [23:17:24] | tmr_: | beautiful radio in DD5.1 and with EPG to record broadcasts :) |
| [23:17:42] | ** justinh wonders who is channeling mchou tonight ** | |
| [23:17:47] | justinh: | is it me? |
| [23:17:52] | volarp: | dekarl: no, it implies myth scanning was nowhere near a spec |
| [23:18:36] | justinh: | volarp: come on man, the developers have the specs, they read the specs.. and for all digital TV to work in mythtv you need a developer everywhere there's a variation, just about |
| [23:18:48] | justinh: | and where there's no guy they have to follow the paperwork |
| [23:19:22] | volarp: | justinh: you're welcome to look in all the archives arout mythtv atsc scanning not working (nowhere near a spec) |
| [23:20:02] | volarp: | son't even try to blame poor spec for myth devs not implementing a working scanner |
| [23:20:04] | justinh: | yeah.. and never see any ML posts where a local broadcaster had managed to break their own streams to such an extent that mythtv couldn't use them but a TV could? |
| [23:20:39] | justinh: | anyway, arguing about this with anybody in IRC, let alone you is utterly pointless |
| [23:20:40] | volarp: | hah |
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| [23:20:49] | dekarl: | volarp: I don't know what you are doing, but I'm at least trying to figure out how the stuff is broken and provide patches. People from the countries not following up in tickets makes that a bit hard. (btw, broadcasters replying "we won't fix it" to paying customers is on file in the mythtv ticket system should you care to look) |
| [23:21:06] | justinh: | because it won't fix the mythtv code where you think it's wrong |
| [23:21:44] | justinh: | cable companies are probably among the worst for messing around |
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| [23:26:11] | justinh: | omg.. mchehab got a bit of a dusting from linus, then some.. ouch |
| [23:26:49] | justinh: | a bit inappropriate for a public ML, IMHO |
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| [23:36:25] | stuartm: | Mauro handled it pretty well IMHO, and ultimately the belated 'press' coverage of the incident makes it seem to be a bigger deal than it really was |
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| [23:39:13] | tmr_: | dekarl: thanks for the LBN hint. it works now :-) |
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| [23:40:10] | justinh: | if my boss did that I think I'd be looking for another job. Oh wait, I already am looking for a new job |
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| [23:43:48] | justinh: | kinda makes me glad I don't work in the places some of the El Reg commentards work though.. whew |
| [23:57:54] | AndyCap: | could be worse, you could be a BobX developer. |
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