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| [00:17:39] | mzb: | err ... this is all to do with the setup of the tuners, so no not directly, but it's the step AFTER what you're talking about |
| [00:18:56] | mzb: | "general setup" is the first of 8 sections in mythtv-setup. Capture cards are number 2. |
| [00:19:52] | mzb: | however, these switches make me think that we could probably come up with something that could be 100% terminal-based |
| [00:20:53] | mzb: | however, if you just want to get off the ground for now I'm happy to do setup through a tunnel if that helps? |
| [00:22:04] | mzb: | when you get up and running you'll be wanting shepherd from here: http://svn.whuffy.com/ |
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| [00:23:05] | mzb: | oops |
| [00:23:09] | mzb: | *sigh* |
| [00:23:18] | mzb: | sorry # |
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| [00:55:32] | Da_Coynul: | can anyone help with compiling myth? |
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| [00:58:50] | [R]: | Da_Coynul: do you have an actual question? |
| [00:59:48] | Da_Coynul: | [R]: having the problem discussed here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/534775 |
| [01:00:25] | [R]: | rawhide is constantly broken |
| [01:00:28] | [R]: | good luck using that |
| [01:00:41] | Da_Coynul: | actually i'm using arch |
| [01:01:10] | [R]: | of course you are... lol |
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| [01:01:56] | Da_Coynul: | lol |
| [01:05:52] | Da_Coynul: | anyway, I looked at the glibc source and the "change" that was suspected to be the root cause of the problem is non-existent |
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| [03:17:32] | Delsol: | anyone using MythTv in north America with a Genpix tuner ? |
| [03:18:00] | [R]: | never heard of it... what is it |
| [03:18:38] | Delsol: | http://www.genpix-electronics.com/ |
| [03:18:55] | Delsol: | Turbo8PSK tuner |
| [03:19:13] | [R]: | theres no useful dvbs in na |
| [03:20:06] | Delsol: | I;m planning to use my own cardserver and use my subsubcription |
| [03:20:29] | [R]: | that is very much illegal and against the rulse here |
| [03:20:52] | Delsol: | thank for the advice |
| [03:21:44] | Delsol: | any expericence by using XBMC as front end ? |
| [03:22:43] | [R]: | xbmc is generally crap when used with myth |
| [03:23:19] | Delsol: | any other backend you may suggest ? |
| [03:23:36] | [R]: | this is #mythtv-users... |
| [03:23:40] | [R]: | we talk about mythtv |
| [03:24:37] | Delsol: | i know and I sure you have more experice compare to me. I jus asking advice |
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| [03:29:28] | FnC: | All.. im setting up a new masterbackend, .26 and its been a couple years since ive done this... But i remember before haveing an issue where I had every channel duplicated in my guide, and i was trying to avoid that this time.. but ive added my tuners 2x hdhomeruns (so 4 total tuners).. when i get to the page with the connect source to input do i need to do the same steps for each tuner (all are going to be broadcast) (was just won |
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| [05:21:39] | ComputerBoy2: | Can anyone tell me roughly how powerful a computer I would need to run a mythtv backend if I was using 3 hdhomeruns (6 tuners) and wanted to be able to record off 4 at the same time and be watching something that was already recorded? |
| [05:22:23] | [R]: | recording digital doesnt really take much power |
| [05:22:33] | [R]: | streaming digital doesnt take much power either |
| [05:23:23] | ComputerBoy2: | so would like a i5 quad core be enough? |
| [05:23:50] | [R]: | sure |
| [05:23:53] | [R]: | plenty |
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| [05:24:20] | ComputerBoy2: | thanks. |
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| [05:37:58] | defaultro: | hey guys I have an off topic question |
| [05:38:25] | defaultro: | do you think I'm in bad position. I built a site and fixed so many issues back in June 2012. I sent them my invoice. I've emailed the person many times even upto 2 weeks ago and he just kept promising he will send the payment. Last week, I changed the site to under maintenance. It was only today he noticed it. Looks like he wants to sue me for doing it. Am I in bad position? |
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| [05:39:37] | [R]: | you're right... it _IS_ off topic |
| [05:39:41] | [R]: | you should probably consult a lawyer |
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| [05:50:24] | defaultro: | k |
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| [12:14:36] | Lomion0815: | Can anybody help me with this problem: When a recording is running on one tuner the epg-"grabber" is trying to scan on the second tuner. But since both tuners are one the same dvb-s card it fails (tv_rec.cpp 3689). I am running the latest 0.25-fixes and not sure if this happened on older builds ...unfortunatly the epg-grabber does not try it again when the first tuner is free again :-( |
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| [12:21:37] | bas-t: | you could try to use only the first tuner for epg grabbing. by default all tuners are enabled for this |
| [12:22:09] | bas-t: | i think it will try again when it is free |
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| [12:25:56] | Lomion0815: | Good idea but this option can only be set for each physical tuner and not per frontend |
| [12:27:09] | bas-t: | frontend? i don't follow... |
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| [12:29:00] | Lomion0815: | I set 2 virtual tuners (= dvb-frontends) for a single tuner card in mythtv-setup. |
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| [12:33:41] | bas-t: | makes no difference, i set it to 5. so if one ore more of these frontends are in use, afaik the physical adapter will be ignored for epg grabbing |
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| [14:07:46] | ltrvs: | Is anyone playing myths' recordings with PS3? Some recordings pixelates (SDTV in Finland) way too much on my PS3 |
| [14:08:30] | ltrvs: | haven't seen the same happen when wathcing live via TV, so shouldn't be the broadcast |
| [14:08:52] | ltrvs: | any pointers what could be causing this? |
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| [14:24:36] | Bix: | i have a frontend over a Gb network to a decent backend. I have about 250 videos files in a for storage groups. When I go browse for video files it takes about 30 seconds for it to come up. I tuned the DB as good as I can but am looking for other ways to speed this up. Any ideas? |
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| [15:45:05] | wagnerrp: | bix: sounds like you put it in "file browse mode" |
| [15:45:31] | wagnerrp: | the video library shouldn't take more than a few seconds to come up |
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| [15:58:51] | ** stuartm is going to remove "file browse" mode ** | |
| [15:59:37] | stuartm: | and I think it's probably time for local file browsing (vs storage group) to die |
| [16:00:14] | wagnerrp: | i'm going to make sure to remove it before 0.27, let me get the replacement scanner in place first |
| [16:06:08] | stuartm: | some of these remnant features cause too much confusion, they only half work because they are obsolete and their settings just add to the "settings hell" experience, it's easy for devs to ignore them because we know what they are and not to use them, but for a first time user ... |
| [16:14:06] | sphery: | My frontend is using mythfrontend as a window manager and kdm as a |
| [16:14:07] | sphery: | display manager. |
| [16:14:09] | sphery: | ? |
| [16:14:40] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: oh, and screen setup wizard |
| [16:15:06] | wagnerrp: | i wanted to shove that into its own application, to bypass the display limitation |
| [16:16:29] | Igramul: | stuartm: As I first-time user, I fully agree ;) |
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| [16:23:29] | veseoj: | Hi guys. So I'm looking to setup a mythtv backend (not a fan of tvheadend for many reasons) and I had some questions regarding the best place to install it. |
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| [16:23:45] | wagnerrp: | the machine with your tuners and storage |
| [16:23:53] | veseoj: | Well I have HDHR Prime |
| [16:24:02] | wagnerrp: | the machine with your storage |
| [16:24:07] | veseoj: | Its a NAS :P |
| [16:24:27] | veseoj: | So my media center computer is currently running openelec |
| [16:24:46] | wagnerrp: | a NAS that runs Linux and can install applications? |
| [16:25:02] | veseoj: | But I don't have a way to put mythtv backend on openelec. So I was wondering if I should go with a minimal (maybe Arch Linux) OS and install xbmc / mythtv backend too or install the backend on an rPi |
| [16:25:06] | Bix: | i have a frontend over a Gb network to a decent backend. I have about 250 videos files in a for storage groups. When I go browse for video files it takes about 30 seconds for it to come up. I tuned the DB as good as I can but am looking for other ways to speed this up. Any ideas? |
| [16:25:09] | veseoj: | Yes it is wagnerrp |
| [16:25:28] | wagnerrp: | how powerful, how much memory? |
| [16:25:32] | wagnerrp: | no, scratch that |
| [16:25:36] | veseoj: | 1gb ram |
| [16:25:47] | wagnerrp: | no ARM or Atom is going to be a good idea for the scheduler on a digital cable lineup |
| [16:26:07] | veseoj: | so the atom box |
| [16:26:16] | veseoj: | its a zotac id 41 |
| [16:26:19] | wagnerrp: | read closer |
| [16:26:24] | veseoj: | oh.. |
| [16:26:59] | veseoj: | Gah, so why does mythtv need so much resources? |
| [16:27:10] | wagnerrp: | it needs a lot of power in short bursts |
| [16:27:20] | wagnerrp: | most of the time it runs idle |
| [16:27:25] | veseoj: | So what do you recommend getting, short of me leaving my main computer on 24/7 |
| [16:27:49] | veseoj: | I read about people running it on low performance computers |
| [16:28:15] | Bix: | i have those zotacs for frontends. they are great for that |
| [16:28:18] | wagnerrp: | understand that a "low performance computer" these days is an order of magnitude more powerful than that zotac |
| [16:28:39] | veseoj: | Bix: yeah its a nice machine but now I'm wondering if I should return it :p |
| [16:28:42] | Bix: | yeah id41 will get crushed as a back end |
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| [16:28:58] | wagnerrp: | it all comes down to the scheduler |
| [16:29:08] | wagnerrp: | you're going to have several tuners and a large lineup of channels |
| [16:29:11] | veseoj: | Does the scheduler need to run 24/7 ? |
| [16:29:17] | wagnerrp: | meaning it's going to take a while for it to churn through things |
| [16:29:31] | veseoj: | I can run it on my main PC if need-be |
| [16:29:38] | veseoj: | I have arch linux |
| [16:29:54] | wagnerrp: | if it starts taking more than about a minute, you run into race conditions that cause problems with your recordings |
| [16:30:25] | wagnerrp: | the scheduler is always run on the master backend, and the master backend is always online (or at least must be online if anything else in the mythtv cluster is) |
| [16:30:30] | veseoj: | hm |
| [16:31:10] | veseoj: | I have no problem letting it run on my computer. The problem is , when I go off to college in August , I do not plan on letting it run 24 / 7. |
| [16:31:27] | veseoj: | Are you saying my best option is to return the zotac and build a pc myself? |
| [16:32:07] | veseoj: | Actually, we have an old Pentium 4 box that runs Xubuntu currently, would that work? |
| [16:32:07] | Bix: | use the zotac for a frontend if you need one |
| [16:32:21] | wagnerrp: | i mean like i said, the backend sits idle most of the time... its just that when it wants to run the scheduler, it wants to run it in short order |
| [16:32:28] | veseoj: | Bix: looking to minimize costs :P Its for a home theater setup |
| [16:32:38] | wagnerrp: | the more channels, the more recording rules, the more previous recordings you have... the longer it takes |
| [16:32:54] | veseoj: | wagnerrp: I have a cablecard so access to my all Fios channels |
| [16:32:56] | wagnerrp: | any mainstream dual core processor should do fine |
| [16:33:03] | veseoj: | I'm not even sure its a dual core.. |
| [16:33:29] | wagnerrp: | well you can't buy anything but dual core or better these days |
| [16:33:43] | veseoj: | Its very old. |
| [16:33:57] | wagnerrp: | i'm saying if you were considering buying something |
| [16:34:24] | veseoj: | Whats the cheapest I could buy, either on my own or prebuilt |
| [16:34:53] | wagnerrp: | this would be as a dedicated backend? |
| [16:35:06] | veseoj: | I guess it would be now |
| [16:35:21] | veseoj: | Well, I may move some downloader services over to it from my NAS |
| [16:35:41] | wagnerrp: | probably one of the AMD fusions or a sandy bridge pentium |
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| [16:36:02] | Bix: | is there anyway to speed up mythvideo loading? |
| [16:36:14] | wagnerrp: | turn off file browse mode, so it loads from the databse |
| [16:36:21] | veseoj: | wagnerrp: what if I replace the zotac with a slightly more powerful box and use that for frontend and backend? |
| [16:36:38] | veseoj: | Or a zotac with amd fusion? |
| [16:36:44] | wagnerrp: | then skip AMD, as their linux graphics drivers are unreliable |
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| [16:36:55] | wagnerrp: | intel is fine, nvidia is better but requires discrete graphics |
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| [16:37:55] | veseoj: | How about something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Zotac-Memory-Desktop-Co . . . ds=zotac+amd |
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| [16:38:25] | veseoj: | I would actually go with the bare bones since I separately bought 64gb ssd and 4gb ram |
| [16:38:27] | wagnerrp: | i meant one of the A series, not E series |
| [16:38:42] | veseoj: | Oh |
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| [16:39:11] | wagnerrp: | better than an atom, but still generally underpowered |
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| [16:39:42] | veseoj: | Lets say I kept the Zotac as my dedicated frontend. Whats the cheapest I could do for a MythTV backend? |
| [16:40:05] | veseoj: | Also, on a semi-unrelated note, how easy is it to setup my HDHR Prime and CableCard channels |
| [16:40:15] | wagnerrp: | one of the pentium branded sandy bridges or an A series fusion |
| [16:40:17] | veseoj: | Because TVHeadEnd is horrid at it, and cannot timeshift |
| [16:40:48] | veseoj: | So two different boxes would be better? |
| [16:40:51] | wagnerrp: | you should just be able to define the tuners (you need to manually define all three), and pull a lineup from schedules direct |
| [16:41:13] | wagnerrp: | usually the difficulty with cablecard is getting the device and cablecard themselves registered with your cableco |
| [16:41:34] | veseoj: | Oh thats fine. I can test-watch shows on computer |
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| [16:43:13] | veseoj: | Okay, well for now I guess I'll set it up on computer and play around with it. *Another* box is really not in budget (after zotac, hdhr, nas, etc) but I don't know, may have to be. |
| [16:43:22] | RagingMind: | I have a 35W sandy bridge pentium and I'm very very happy with it as a backend |
| [16:44:03] | veseoj: | RagingMind: Could you use it as a front-end too? |
| [16:44:07] | Bix: | u dont need a nas if you have a decent back end and some disk |
| [16:44:11] | wagnerrp: | 35W TDP or measured? |
| [16:44:19] | veseoj: | Bix: NAS is for home pictures/movies too |
| [16:44:24] | Bix: | use samba |
| [16:44:46] | wagnerrp: | shove the disks in the linux machine, have the backend operate as a NAS |
| [16:44:49] | veseoj: | Its also a RAID5 (3 x 3TB HDDS) |
| [16:45:35] | Bix: | that would be slow. 3 x 3TB is only 6TB usable. Just do Raid 1 with a HS in linux |
| [16:45:54] | veseoj: | Its not slow – its using Synology's software. |
| [16:46:01] | veseoj: | I can stream 40GB blu-rays perfectly |
| [16:46:04] | wagnerrp: | the NAS is just running software RAID anyway |
| [16:46:12] | wagnerrp: | it would be no difference |
| [16:46:14] | Bix: | streaming media isnt fast |
| [16:46:28] | veseoj: | Its a moot point – we already have the nas and its not going anywhere lol |
| [16:46:29] | Bix: | transcoding and stuff is where you want the sepeed |
| [16:46:34] | Bix: | k |
| [16:46:53] | wagnerrp: | huh? transcoding doesn't take any significant disk speed |
| [16:47:05] | Bix: | yeah, i was going to correct that statement |
| [16:49:42] | veseoj: | With the pentium sandy bridge cpu do I need gfx ? |
| [16:50:13] | wagnerrp: | the onboard intel graphics and software decoding should be sufficient |
| [16:50:25] | wagnerrp: | i'm running one of my frontends in that fashion with no issue |
| [16:50:47] | veseoj: | Well this would be for a backend I suppose – unless you think it could replace frontend too |
| [16:50:53] | veseoj: | Whats a decent mobo? |
| [16:51:09] | wagnerrp: | if it's a backend only, you don't need any graphics |
| [16:51:23] | wagnerrp: | even the onboard AMD stuff with its poor drivers would be sufficient |
| [16:52:05] | veseoj: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157335 |
| [16:52:10] | veseoj: | That guy decent? |
| [16:52:57] | wagnerrp: | should be fine |
| [16:53:01] | wagnerrp: | a dehumidifier? |
| [16:54:42] | veseoj: | I dont know what that is, but it was one of cheapest / highest rated :p |
| [16:55:57] | veseoj: | 300W psu plenty? |
| [16:56:40] | Bix: | u can get a quad sandy for around $200 for that |
| [16:56:54] | Bix: | psu calc: http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp |
| [16:57:03] | veseoj: | Oh cool, thanks. |
| [16:57:10] | veseoj: | Does mythtv backend need a ton of ram? |
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| [16:58:00] | wagnerrp: | a 100W PSU is plenty, especially if you're not planning on stuffing your hard drives in there |
| [16:58:22] | veseoj: | Well I'd just put a small sdd in probably for the OS |
| [16:58:29] | wagnerrp: | a backend does not need much memory, but the linux disk cache sure loves it |
| [16:58:35] | veseoj: | 2gb? |
| [16:58:41] | wagnerrp: | and memory is so cheap these days, no reason to go less than 5 |
| [16:58:42] | wagnerrp: | *4 |
| [16:58:46] | veseoj: | meh true |
| [16:58:57] | wagnerrp: | 2 is fine, but you're saving like $10 |
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| [16:59:16] | veseoj: | yeah I'll go with 4 |
| [17:00:46] | veseoj: | A 32gb ssd for $46 vs a 320gb hdd for $50 |
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| [17:01:43] | sophusn: | you guys are discussing what to go for, with a new mythtv setup? :) |
| [17:01:57] | veseoj: | sophusn: Yeah, apparently my atom machine can't handle its backend |
| [17:02:02] | Bix: | ssd's are so reliable |
| [17:02:06] | wagnerrp: | for your database disk, i'd go with the SSD |
| [17:02:28] | veseoj: | ok |
| [17:02:50] | veseoj: | Sandisk vs OCZ? |
| [17:02:52] | Bix: | put tmp in tmpfs too |
| [17:02:59] | veseoj: | What? |
| [17:03:20] | wagnerrp: | he wants you to put /tmp in a ramdisk |
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| [17:03:21] | Bix: | there are some good tuning guides to installing linux on ssd. you want to minimize writes when possible |
| [17:03:31] | Bix: | right! |
| [17:03:35] | wagnerrp: | writes are not a problem with any decent SSD |
| [17:03:36] | veseoj: | Ha, okay |
| [17:03:47] | wagnerrp: | the wear leveling routines take care of everything |
| [17:06:02] | veseoj: | Okay guys, so how would this be: https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWis . . . ?ID=16271269 |
| [17:06:14] | wagnerrp: | need to make it public |
| [17:06:19] | veseoj: | I thought I did? |
| [17:07:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but the link was not the public one... |
| [17:07:58] | wagnerrp: | http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=16271269 |
| [17:08:11] | veseoj: | Ah sorry |
| [17:10:26] | sophusn: | should it only act as a backend? |
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| [17:10:49] | veseoj: | Yeah I suppose so |
| [17:11:00] | veseoj: | I guess its better to have a dedi backend |
| [17:11:16] | wagnerrp: | better only in that it allows you to have a smaller, quieter frontend |
| [17:11:33] | veseoj: | Yeah, and the zotac frontend fits nicely in hometheater cabinet |
| [17:11:37] | wagnerrp: | but when all your storage and tuners are network attacked, there's nothing else to remove from a backend to make it smaller |
| [17:12:18] | veseoj: | right |
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| [17:13:28] | veseoj: | Hm, newegg is actually cheaper than amazon |
| [17:13:40] | veseoj: | Well, before shipping+tax |
| [17:15:28] | wagnerrp: | this is what i currently have in my frontend, if you want something a bit smaller |
| [17:15:31] | wagnerrp: | http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=21575526 |
| [17:15:54] | veseoj: | Oh the case? |
| [17:16:07] | wagnerrp: | no, the whole thing |
| [17:16:22] | veseoj: | Smaller in what way? |
| [17:16:34] | wagnerrp: | mini-itx, rather than micro-atx |
| [17:16:40] | veseoj: | I don't care if the box is bigger – not going to go in home theater |
| [17:16:42] | wagnerrp: | mini-itx is just as wide, but it's square |
| [17:16:51] | veseoj: | Seems more expensive |
| [17:17:00] | wagnerrp: | right, smaller is expensive |
| [17:17:13] | wagnerrp: | i was saying if you wanted to use it as a frontend as well, in place of the zotac |
| [17:17:30] | wagnerrp: | and wanted something smaller to fit in front of the tv |
| [17:17:32] | veseoj: | Oh, I see what you're saying. |
| [17:17:49] | veseoj: | That setup could be easily used for both? |
| [17:18:05] | wagnerrp: | you would need to add the SSD |
| [17:18:16] | veseoj: | Right. I already own ssd/ram |
| [17:18:18] | veseoj: | From zotac |
| [17:18:25] | wagnerrp: | and if you're using a newer ivy bridge like i did, it was a PITA to get it working |
| [17:18:35] | sophusn: | wagnerrp, are there a GPU inside that CPU? |
| [17:18:35] | wagnerrp: | the board needed a firmware update to support the newer chip |
| [17:18:44] | veseoj: | Oh |
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| [17:18:45] | wagnerrp: | which i couldn't do because the board didn't support the chip i had |
| [17:18:56] | wagnerrp: | had to get the company to ship me out of new BIOS chip |
| [17:19:19] | veseoj: | That sounds like a pain |
| [17:19:48] | wagnerrp: | it basically didn't work for a week, and then was 30 seconds swapping out some DIP chip |
| [17:20:11] | wagnerrp: | the firmware is like 8 months old, but i guess newegg has old stock of that board with the original firmware |
| [17:20:30] | wagnerrp: | (the upgraded firmware with the fix is that old) |
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| [17:20:45] | veseoj: | Lots of stuff to process here |
| [17:20:46] | wagnerrp: | anyway, if i had picked the cheaper sandy bridge CPU you did, it would have worked right off the bat |
| [17:21:08] | wagnerrp: | the case fan is still a bit loud |
| [17:21:16] | wagnerrp: | i need to see if i can quiet that down some |
| [17:21:49] | veseoj: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131878 |
| [17:23:00] | wagnerrp: | the H6x series are the old intel chipset for sandy bridge processors, and i was trying to use it with an ivy bridge processor |
| [17:23:16] | veseoj: | Oh okay |
| [17:23:38] | wagnerrp: | the H7x series support ivy bridge natively |
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| [17:25:21] | sophusn: | when you're using this ivy bridge CPU's, what are you using for GPU? |
| [17:25:30] | wagnerrp: | the ivy bridge GPU |
| [17:26:04] | sophusn: | GPU is in the CPU, ah... Which GPU is it? |
| [17:26:13] | wagnerrp: | HD4000 i think |
| [17:26:24] | wagnerrp: | but its a "pentium", so it's a stripped version |
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| [17:26:37] | sophusn: | Its powerfull enough as mythtv frontend? |
| [17:26:50] | wagnerrp: | no hardware decoding, no transcoding, no 3D support |
| [17:27:05] | wagnerrp: | opengl and software decoding still work just fine |
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| [17:36:11] | veseoj: | Lots of stuff to process wagnerrp, thanks I appreciate it. Going to play around with MythTV on pc for a while, then research a new htpc |
| [17:36:32] | wagnerrp: | good choice |
| [17:36:40] | wagnerrp: | watch the logs, and specifically watch the scheduler times |
| [17:36:43] | wagnerrp: | see how it turns out |
| [17:36:50] | veseoj: | I think a combined frontend/backend would be better, only have to replace one machine instead of two |
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| [17:37:04] | wagnerrp: | note that scheduler times will rise as you add more recording rules, and have more past recordings being used for duplicate matching |
| [17:37:18] | veseoj: | I'm not going to be recording much, you know |
| [17:37:23] | veseoj: | if anything |
| [17:37:32] | wagnerrp: | then why have a DVR? |
| [17:37:38] | veseoj: | What? |
| [17:37:48] | wagnerrp: | that's what a DVR does, record |
| [17:37:51] | veseoj: | I need a MythTV backend to watch TV |
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| [17:38:05] | veseoj: | I know what a dvr is lol, never said I need/have one |
| [17:38:19] | veseoj: | if I was going to record it'd be to NAS but it wont be frequent |
| [17:38:31] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesn't view, it records |
| [17:38:34] | wagnerrp: | as do all DVRs |
| [17:38:56] | wagnerrp: | although when you're doing a "live recording" it does bypass the normal operation of the scheduler |
| [17:39:18] | veseoj: | Maybe I'm saying something wrong |
| [17:39:28] | veseoj: | Right now TVHeadEnd is my backend for channels, etc but it doesn't work too well |
| [17:39:54] | wagnerrp: | as i understand it, tvheadend is also a dvr and behaves in the same manner |
| [17:40:12] | veseoj: | Well yes, it has dvr option, but not main reason i'd use |
| [17:40:39] | wagnerrp: | what i'm saying is that if you are watching any tv with mythtv, it is a recording |
| [17:40:48] | wagnerrp: | even livetv is a recording played back on a couple second delay |
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| [17:41:17] | veseoj: | Oh really? |
| [17:41:26] | veseoj: | Hm, maybe mythtv isn't best option. |
| [17:41:40] | veseoj: | I need to eat something. Be back soon! :p |
| [17:41:47] | veseoj: | Getting delirious |
| [17:41:58] | wagnerrp: | that's how DVRs work |
| [17:42:13] | wagnerrp: | it's a requirement to allow pausing and seeking |
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| [17:43:37] | wagnerrp: | you might see some doing that with a memory buffer for short durations |
| [17:43:51] | wagnerrp: | but anything more than a couple minutes, and any hardware DVR is going to flush to disk as well |
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| [17:43:56] | jayb: | wagnerrp: i've been lurking to your hardware discussion with veseoj. very informative — thanks. i wish that kind of advice was available somewhere. grep bogo /proc/cpuinfo |
| [17:44:13] | jayb: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Hardware seems very outdated |
| [17:44:27] | wagnerrp: | bogomips is a pretty poor reference for performance |
| [17:44:37] | wagnerrp: | it's not a general measure of performance |
| [17:44:43] | jayb: | (sry about the 'grep bogo' thing — pilot error here) |
| [17:44:53] | wagnerrp: | just some internal tuning measurement for some linux idle loop |
| [17:45:17] | wagnerrp: | hence... bogo... bogus |
| [17:46:10] | wagnerrp: | basically, you can use it to compare performance against other processors of the same architecture, and that's it |
| [17:47:42] | jayb: | ok. again, i didn't mean to post that here. |
| [17:48:14] | jayb: | but what i was really hoping for was a better way to get mythtv hardware advice, rather than bugging you for it all the time |
| [17:49:40] | wagnerrp: | there is the wiki, but as you mentioned, the wiki becomes outdated in regards to hardware recommendations after about a year |
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| [17:51:33] | Led-Hed: | I'm moving to a new backend, my current database is rather old and probably has a lot of junk in it (Same DB since MythTV v0.13). I want to start clean, but I have a lot of current recordings I'd like to move over. Is there a simple way to move just the recording info to the new DB? |
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| [17:52:28] | jayb: | and a lot of the reason i hesitate building my own box is exactly the kind of issue you recounted above with the mobo firmware update. |
| [17:52:36] | ubuntuaddicted: | is it better to record with the HD PVR in 720p59.94 or 720p30 or what? The videos are for Youtube uploads |
| [17:54:46] | wagnerrp: | i don't think it really matters, since google is going to transcode it again regardless of what you feed it |
| [17:55:00] | Led-Hed: | If I dump just the rec* tables from the old DB and import them into the new will that work? Or are there other tables I'd need to export/import? |
| [17:55:37] | wagnerrp: | the whole database |
| [17:55:42] | wagnerrp: | either you keep the whole database intact |
| [17:55:50] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, I dont want the whole database |
| [17:55:52] | wagnerrp: | or you migrate all your recordings over to the video library |
| [17:56:17] | Led-Hed: | I want to start clean, but want to just bring over the existing recordings from the old backend |
| [17:56:43] | wagnerrp: | right, there is no mechanism to allow such |
| [17:57:04] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, I thought about doing that, but how would I know what video was what. Their names dont reflect the recording info |
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| [17:57:33] | wagnerrp: | use mythlink.pl or mythvidexport.py to give them human-readable names |
| [17:57:44] | wagnerrp: | such that they can be imported and recognized by the video library |
| [17:57:46] | Led-Hed: | thanks |
| [17:58:14] | wagnerrp: | there hasn't been much incentive to write something to migrate old recordings to a new database |
| [17:58:31] | wagnerrp: | as any such tool would more likely be used to duplicate recordings from one existing mythtv install to another |
| [17:58:49] | wagnerrp: | something we want no part of, since replaytv already went to court over that one |
| [17:59:27] | Led-Hed: | are there legal issues with migrating my recordings from one box to another? |
| [17:59:39] | wagnerrp: | no, since they're your boxes |
| [17:59:47] | Led-Hed: | ahh |
| [17:59:54] | wagnerrp: | but there are legal issues with cloning your recording onto your friend's box |
| [17:59:59] | Led-Hed: | I see |
| [18:00:28] | wagnerrp: | and since mythtv already supports the clustered approach with slave backends and frontends |
| [18:00:43] | wagnerrp: | there is little reason to support moving recordings from one cluster to another |
| [18:01:45] | Led-Hed: | thanks for pointing me to those scripts |
| [18:02:01] | wagnerrp: | what are you trying to fix by starting fresh? |
| [18:03:41] | Led-Hed: | Not sure really. I've been using the same database since v0.13 and I figured it would probably be good to start clean |
| [18:04:04] | wagnerrp: | if there's nothing actually not working, no sense going through all that hassle |
| [18:04:43] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, so it would be best to capture in whatever youtube encodes 720p footage to then right? |
| [18:05:00] | Led-Hed: | the DB is currently ~350mb which seems kind of large. My assumption is that its holding a lot of old info that isn't relevant anymore |
| [18:05:02] | wagnerrp: | what are you trying to capture? |
| [18:05:05] | Led-Hed: | but I see what you mean |
| [18:05:15] | ubuntuaddicted: | is it possible to change the FPS on the HD PVR or just bitrate and color settings |
| [18:05:26] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, xbox 360 |
| [18:05:51] | wagnerrp: | led-hed: not at all... the two major contributors to database size are the guide database and the recording seek tables |
| [18:05:54] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, i think xbox 360 outputs 720p30 if im not mistaken. i thought i googled it |
| [18:05:55] | jpabq: | The HD-PVR records at whatever FPS the STB is feeding it. |
| [18:06:08] | wagnerrp: | or in this case, game console |
| [18:06:23] | wagnerrp: | Led-Hed: everything else is pretty much inconsequential |
| [18:06:31] | ubuntuaddicted: | jpabq, oh, so the xbox 360 does output 720p54.94 then cause that's what mediainfo is telling me |
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| [18:06:53] | wagnerrp: | if that's what your captures are, yes |
| [18:06:57] | Led-Hed: | wagnerrp, is there a script to purge the guide data? My guide is kinda goofy. |
| [18:07:13] | Led-Hed: | maybe just cleaning up that part of my existing DB would be sufficient |
| [18:07:18] | wagnerrp: | you're in the US, right? |
| [18:07:21] | Led-Hed: | ya |
| [18:07:22] | ubuntuaddicted: | yes, US |
| [18:07:50] | wagnerrp: | you should be running mythfilldatabase with the '--dd-grab-all' parameter |
| [18:08:00] | wagnerrp: | and if you are, it flushes everything every time it runs |
| [18:08:17] | wagnerrp: | as for the seek data, you can run 'mythcommflag --queue' |
| [18:08:35] | wagnerrp: | and it will queue up a new job for every existing recording to refresh the seek table |
| [18:08:36] | ubuntuaddicted: | when i download an HD clip from youtube mediainfo shows 720p25 |
| [18:08:40] | Led-Hed: | I didn't specifically pass that arguement to it. Will myth do this on its own if I'm set for US? |
| [18:08:45] | wagnerrp: | note that will take considerable time to churn through |
| [18:09:09] | wagnerrp: | no, the default behavior is for mythfilldatabase to only pull the next and last days from SD, individually |
| [18:09:17] | Led-Hed: | ahh |
| [18:09:43] | Led-Hed: | ok. I'll re-run mythfilldatabase. Thanks again |
| [18:09:52] | wagnerrp: | --dd-grab-all is the recommended behavior, but not he default one, as it can take considerable time on slower machines and/or poorly (stock) tuned mysql databases |
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| [18:11:18] | Led-Hed: | Is there afield where I can add the -dd-grab-all option? I cant recall |
| [18:11:32] | wagnerrp: | last page of general, mythtv-setup |
| [18:11:48] | Led-Hed: | perfect. Thanks wagnerrp as usual you're a wealth of knowledge |
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| [18:18:15] | ubuntuaddicted: | thanks guys, by |
| [18:18:18] | ubuntuaddicted: | *bye |
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| [18:56:33] | jams: | how does one play a audio cd these days, can't seem to find any options in mythmusic |
| [18:57:36] | [R]: | whats an audio cd |
| [18:57:36] | [R]: | ":P |
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| [19:04:45] | yianni: | Hi, if any dev is present, I'd like to ask if there is any chance of ticket #11272 to be looked at, since the problem is still present for me. |
| [19:04:45] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11272 ** | |
| [19:05:34] | yianni: | I don't dare record anything because if anyone is watching a film it will get stuck while the MB process restarts. |
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| [19:15:14] | jams: | yianni, that does sound like a nasty problem when it hits |
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| [19:27:43] | yianni: | Yes, it is, I'm afraid. It seems as the MB doesn't use the same language with the SB. |
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| [19:29:50] | yianni: | The MB complains: "Unknown command: al2kpro" just before crashing, and "al2kpro" is the hostname of the SB. |
| [19:30:36] | yianni: | And I don't want to overload the ticket with info, to avoid lockups!! |
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| [20:12:15] | developer: | Torrent Video encoding, https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5czvxn1p9dq0v8d/xupdKqgrHO |
| [20:12:41] | developer: | encodes every torrent you download, and moves it somewhere in your network or remote ftp |
| [20:13:09] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o wagnerrp | |
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| [20:13:33] | [R]: | lol |
| [20:13:41] | Mode for #mythtv-users by wagnerrp!~wagnerrp_@mythtv/developer/wagnerrp : +b developer!*@* | |
| [20:13:49] | [R]: | DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS |
| [20:13:49] | wagnerrp: | oops, probably not the write mask |
| [20:14:57] | wagnerrp: | nah, that's probably a good one to keep anyway |
| [20:15:09] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o wagnerrp | |
| [20:15:16] | [R]: | so i just took the plunge |
| [20:15:18] | [R]: | and updated to 0.26 |
| [20:15:24] | ** [R] watches as everythign breaks horrifically ** | |
| [20:15:24] | wagnerrp: | s/write/right/ |
| [20:16:07] | sophusn: | When i watch livetv on my mythbuntu setup with a hdhomerun tuner – it seems i doesnt have enough buffering (OSD = Menu -> Playback -> Playback data) |
| [20:16:50] | sophusn: | it pixeling and stuttering |
| [20:17:02] | sophusn: | where can i set that buffer up from my current 4Mb? |
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| [20:18:10] | wagnerrp: | buffer? |
| [20:18:38] | sophusn: | yep – moment, i will try to take a screenshot |
| [20:19:13] | [R]: | combined frontend backend or seperate? |
| [20:20:47] | sophusn: | combined |
| [20:21:34] | sophusn: | doesnt know how to take a screenshot – which program can i use for that? anyway, my mythfrontend log is spamming "Waited XXXms for video buffers" and "Unknown audio decoding error" |
| [20:21:53] | wagnerrp: | what hardware are you trying to use? |
| [20:23:20] | stuartm: | jams: that's a very interesting question ... I hadn't notice that there seems to be no option anyway to play a CD ... |
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| [20:23:45] | sophusn: | right now, i use an old compaq computer with onboard GFX – M2N68-LA mobo, Nvidia Geforce 6150SE, Athlon X2 5000+ |
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| [20:24:10] | sophusn: | 3GB ram |
| [20:24:12] | wagnerrp: | software decoding and xv should be fine |
| [20:24:22] | wagnerrp: | not sure if there's enough power in that GPU for the OpenGL renderer |
| [20:24:50] | sophusn: | i dont use the opengl – when i tried that, nothing is shown :) |
| [20:25:12] | sophusn: | i use the playback profile "Normal" |
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| [20:33:20] | sophusn: | My "TV format" was set as "NTSC", and i think in denmark we actually use PAL – trying to switch it |
| [20:33:42] | wagnerrp: | makes no difference since you're using a digital tuner |
| [20:34:00] | yianni: | Ahem, could I please point a dev's attention to ticket #11272? any suggestions? |
| [20:34:31] | wagnerrp: | odd.... |
| [20:34:39] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: seems your bot is troubled |
| [20:35:07] | [R]: | wagnerrp: in the theme chooser... some themes have a yellow border... do you know what that means? |
| [20:35:19] | wagnerrp: | nope |
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| [20:36:23] | ertyu-m: | update available? |
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| [20:36:39] | [R]: | but i only have 1 theme downloaded |
| [20:36:45] | [R]: | and like most of them are yellow |
| [20:37:57] | yianni: | Judging from my setup, the yellow ones are those not available locally. |
| [20:38:05] | [R]: | ah... that makes ense |
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| [21:26:26] | koffel: | wagnerrp i tried to do screen adjustment wizard in mythtv .23 and it seems it like to leave a major gab on left side and bottom |
| [21:26:31] | koffel: | of the screen |
| [21:27:03] | [R]: | 23!? |
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| [21:36:12] | sophusn: | can my problem with pixeling be caused to deinterlacing? |
| [21:37:08] | [R]: | pixeling? |
| [21:37:39] | sophusn: | yeah, where i see big pixels instead of fluid video |
| [21:38:09] | [R]: | probably not |
| [21:38:15] | [R]: | are you on slim? |
| [21:38:39] | sophusn: | http://postimage.org/image/rg6pkcp5z/ |
| [21:38:49] | sophusn: | http://postimage.org/image/w0svza8vb/ |
| [21:38:52] | sophusn: | like these pictures |
| [21:39:02] | sophusn: | no i'm on normal |
| [21:39:57] | sophusn: | but same on slim |
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| [21:41:18] | [R]: | thats just bad quality |
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| [21:43:59] | sophusn: | bad quality in my signal or? |
| [21:49:07] | [R]: | possibly |
| [21:51:21] | sophusn: | HDHomeRun Config says about 70% in both signal strength and signal quality.. havent seen it so worse before |
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| [22:05:25] | wagnerrp: | hahahahaha.... http://help.themoviedb.org/discussions/questi . . . atch-a-movie |
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| [22:56:50] | Bray90820: | hello |
| [22:58:10] | Bray90820: | Am i alone in here |
| [22:59:05] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [23:02:34] | yianni: | I think you scared him. |
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| [23:09:16] | lentferj: | wagnerrp: good laugh |
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