| Saturday, December 29th, 2012, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:01] | skd5aner: | so, where are all our theme designers coming from? I don't see them coming out of the woodwork |
| [00:00:18] | justinh: | I saw some, and wished they'd crawl right back in again |
| [00:00:36] | skd5aner: | meanwhile... xmbc has no shortage of good themes... why don't we ask ourselves why we never can get decent theme contributors but they have no problems whatsoever? |
| [00:00:51] | dekarl: | Hey, I use mythcenter-wide, too. Every now and then I try one of the more fanart heavy theme and notice how bad the UX is and move back :( |
| [00:01:09] | justinh: | I should maybe post a taster of 'Concept' up sometime |
| [00:01:15] | skd5aner: | I like tintedglass... it's my new de facto theme |
| [00:01:50] | justinh: | skd5aner: because making a theme is a crapton of work |
| [00:02:17] | justinh: | it's way way way WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY more than just getting a hack to compile, then doing some tweaks to make the code do what you intended |
| [00:02:40] | justinh: | it's got to be a frickin obsession – especially if it's just one guy. which it always is |
| [00:02:49] | justinh: | XBMC skinners are in teams goddamnit |
| [00:03:09] | skd5aner: | is it "Easier" for them? |
| [00:03:20] | justinh: | far from it, from the XML i've seen of theirs |
| [00:03:24] | skd5aner: | obviously, the grpahic design stuff is the same regardless |
| [00:03:28] | tgm4883: | dekarl, i think you mean that everyone is using the Mythbuntu theme :) |
| [00:03:33] | dekarl: | Going OpenGL only *and optimizing the content pipeline toward the frontend* would be nice. e.g. stream compressed textures to the frontend |
| [00:03:54] | justinh: | dekarl: see, I totally disagree with the latter comment |
| [00:04:22] | justinh: | if your frontend is too lame to play the stuff,.... TOUGH |
| [00:04:32] | skd5aner: | I kind of agree... |
| [00:04:32] | justinh: | :-) |
| [00:04:36] | skd5aner: | in a sense... |
| [00:04:58] | justinh: | guy had a Pi at work months ago running XBMC. it utterly SUCKED |
| [00:05:08] | justinh: | the UI was like... ugh.. just laggy & jerky... |
| [00:05:31] | justinh: | everybody was cooing all over it. They honestly couldn't see what I was wretching for |
| [00:05:47] | skd5aner: | mythtv needs to shed this misconcept of perpetual support for old hardware/software... people want cool, new, featureful stuff... they don't want something that works on a machine you bought 12 years ago and would like ot repurpose for a mythtv machine |
| [00:05:50] | justinh: | yeah not bad for a cheap $thing, but DOES IT ACTUALLY WORK WELL?! |
| [00:06:12] | dekarl: | justinh: why? Its the backends job to collect the media and serve it up to the frontend. We convert to HLS to support iOS (and "soon" the PI) why not convert the big fanart to textures or combine theme art into texture atlases? |
| [00:06:15] | justinh: | skd5aner: I honestly don't know where that comes from even know |
| [00:06:21] | justinh: | s/know/now |
| [00:07:00] | justinh: | dekarl: I dunno. Sounds like I need a more powerful backend than I have now or wany |
| [00:07:02] | skd5aner: | it comes from the fact that people like Mark added a lot of new stuff over the last 2–3 years, but was never allowed to rip old stuff out |
| [00:07:51] | skd5aner: | because people should be able to leverage the capabilities of an old MX 440 AGP nvidia card if they so choose to do so |
| [00:07:55] | dekarl: | justinh: well, doing something once when new content comes in should not be an issue whether it takes a second or a minute. |
| [00:08:04] | justinh: | yeah.. I started doing stuff with an effects gadget for the UI but always had in mind I had to do it 'properly' for all the painters which was TOTALLY disheartening |
| [00:08:26] | skd5aner: | exactly |
| [00:08:47] | justinh: | and mythtv still doesn't have a frickin rotate feature in the UI |
| [00:09:05] | dekarl: | I thought OpenGL ES is the defacto standard for hardware accelerated consumer devices |
| [00:09:08] | skd5aner: | I think MythTV should have a starwipe feature for commskip |
| [00:09:18] | justinh: | starwipe? |
| [00:09:18] | skd5aner: | then it'd be 1337 |
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| [00:09:55] | skd5aner: | justinh: http://vimeo.com/14864880 |
| [00:10:05] | justinh: | wonder what a project would actually have to do to get people into developing for it |
| [00:10:22] | dekarl: | ohh, please no "turn to next page" effect... you only are allowed to use that once in your professional career as a film maker for good reasons :D |
| [00:11:15] | skd5aner: | justinh: people want to work on new, innovative stuf... not legacy, "same-as-it-always-has-been" stuff |
| [00:11:20] | justinh: | oh. A STAR WIPE |
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| [00:11:54] | ** justinh uses dissolves & jump cuts only ** | |
| [00:12:01] | justinh: | must be professional or something! |
| [00:12:04] | dekarl: | justinh: I think for MythTV its a bit chicken vs. egg in the DVB countries. Unless some basic work gets done its just not working for many users |
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| [00:12:25] | justinh: | yeah those damn specs |
| [00:12:48] | justinh: | so that's sorted then. remove the framegrabber & all analog support |
| [00:12:52] | skd5aner: | dekarl: and in the US, it's getting harder and harder to access content via cable and the internet |
| [00:12:59] | skd5aner: | especially in linux |
| [00:13:18] | justinh: | and it's gonna be opengl only.. and we're NOT supporting LCDs anymore because they're just so frickin lame |
| [00:13:43] | justinh: | but that'll wazz off the two guys in the world who use those with mythtv.. but who cares.. ;-) |
| [00:14:05] | skd5aner: | heh... I'm still leveraging my original Silverstone case with built in LCD – attached via PARALLEL cable |
| [00:14:16] | justinh: | PARA WHATNOW? ;-) |
| [00:14:39] | justinh: | it's all very very VCR analogy though isn't it? ;-) |
| [00:15:01] | dekarl: | I think LCDs are a good feature e.g. for that music player client with the beamer turned off. I wonder what adding to the playlist with only a two-line LCD is like... |
| [00:15:01] | skd5aner: | It is kind of pointless at this point, but I thought it was crucial back in the day |
| [00:15:24] | justinh: | hmm. since small panel monitors got so cheap.. |
| [00:15:29] | skd5aner: | dekarl: I would rather kill myself that try to use any part of mythtv with only the LCD |
| [00:15:35] | justinh: | and are in so many people's pockets these days.... |
| [00:15:55] | justinh: | turning over a whole TV to a music player interface... rofl |
| [00:16:08] | skd5aner: | I will say, that I do use the LCD daily for one purpose... |
| [00:16:18] | justinh: | see what time it is? ;-) |
| [00:16:35] | skd5aner: | and that's to glance to see the progress bar on occasions to see how much is left of hte program I'm watching... |
| [00:16:45] | skd5aner: | without having to grab for the remote and brng up the OSD |
| [00:16:54] | justinh: | just press I |
| [00:17:04] | skd5aner: | see last message |
| [00:17:08] | justinh: | unless you're one of the unfortunates who use an Apple remote |
| [00:17:12] | dekarl: | piggy backing TTS to the LCDproc interface seemed like a nice hack, too. Proper accessibility might be nice, too. But so would be support for audio recordings :) |
| [00:17:25] | dekarl: | so many ideas, so little time :( |
| [00:17:25] | skd5aner: | also, sometimes bringing up the OSD "interupts" the flow of watching something |
| [00:17:28] | skd5aner: | like a movie |
| [00:17:37] | skd5aner: | I can just glance over and see "oh, 2/3 of the way through" |
| [00:17:47] | skd5aner: | but, I could easily live without it |
| [00:17:50] | justinh: | if it's getting to that point just press STOP & delete it |
| [00:17:54] | skd5aner: | just a habit I've formed over 9 years |
| [00:18:13] | skd5aner: | justinh: my remote would eat many other people's remotes for breakfast |
| [00:18:15] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [00:18:17] | justinh: | that in my book is kinda the equivalent to looking at your watch on a date ;-) |
| [00:18:18] | tgm4883: | is there an equivelent to irw to test the in-kernel remote control support? |
| [00:18:45] | justinh: | xev? |
| [00:18:53] | skd5aner: | dekarl: tvbrainz... let's do it |
| [00:19:49] | tgm4883: | xev might work, I'll try that. Thanks justinh |
| [00:20:24] | dekarl: | skd5aner: I'm just coding up support for my guide to emit a list of editing suggestions like "no movie 'german title' found, but there is 'original title' maybe you want to add it to 'tmdb url'", the same for year, etc. I'd rather spend that time on a tvbrainz bot :( |
| [00:20:33] | Da_Coynul: | tgm4883: ir-keytable -t |
| [00:21:05] | Da_Coynul: | if you're using an MCE remote without lirc |
| [00:21:10] | skd5aner: | dekarl: I'm not a developer, so by "we" I really mean you do all the hard work and I'll do a lot of talking ;) |
| [00:21:20] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [00:21:31] | dekarl: | I'm short on "actual coding" time, but I started to collecting use cases, corner cases etc. for the schema. just need to bring them to paper somehow |
| [00:21:33] | tgm4883: | Da_Coynul, that is exactly what I'm doing. I tested removing lirc a few days ago, and only some buttons were working in mythtv |
| [00:21:39] | tgm4883: | working/programmable |
| [00:21:47] | tgm4883: | oddly enough, the OK button was not working |
| [00:21:53] | dekarl: | skd5aner: we should mentor a student or something :D |
| [00:22:04] | Da_Coynul: | check this site: https://kisdigital.wordpress.com/2012/10/05/u . . . -arch-linux/ |
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| [00:22:30] | Da_Coynul: | works great for me. much more responsive than lirc :) |
| [00:23:07] | justinh: | did you ever get bloody ir sending to work? |
| [00:23:09] | tgm4883: | Da_Coynul, is that good for non-mce remotes as well? |
| [00:23:40] | Da_Coynul: | I think it will work as long as it is detected as a HID device |
| [00:23:58] | skd5aner: | alright – I'm out for now |
| [00:24:02] | skd5aner: | good night gents |
| [00:24:09] | tgm4883: | sweet I'll check it out |
| [00:24:19] | Da_Coynul: | tgm4883: here's another link to check out – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv |
| [00:25:03] | justinh: | all I ever wanted was for my IR blaster to work |
| [00:25:12] | justinh: | well and the receiver obviously.. |
| [00:25:35] | justinh: | it does kind of work.. as in produces output but I think it's unmodulated |
| [00:25:40] | justinh: | i.e. without 38khz carrier |
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| [00:26:30] | Da_Coynul: | justinh: which one are you using? I have a Dell receiver that works great. |
| [00:27:52] | justinh: | some 'HP' MCe remote USB thingy |
| [00:28:02] | Da_Coynul: | I am using Firewire to change channels though. |
| [00:28:29] | justinh: | I made my Pi into a kickass IR blaster in the meantime |
| [00:28:39] | Da_Coynul: | cool |
| [00:28:49] | justinh: | but it's all kinda moot til I can get the FE WoL'ing again |
| [00:29:50] | Da_Coynul: | are you using the Pi as a frontend? |
| [00:30:25] | justinh: | oh hell no |
| [00:30:36] | justinh: | I've never even hooked the Pi up to a monitor |
| [00:31:10] | justinh: | as far as I'm concerned it has no video output |
| [00:31:27] | Da_Coynul: | from what I've read it doesn't have the horsepower for myth |
| [00:31:54] | justinh: | it doesn't have the power for much beyond experimentation, some fun & embeddable jobs |
| [00:32:52] | justinh: | it has a bit more memory than your typical NMT, but about the some kind of CPU power |
| [00:32:57] | wagnerrp: | Da_Coynul: from what i've read, it doesn't have the horsepower for much of anything |
| [00:33:06] | wagnerrp: | it's roughly as possible as a low end Pentium II |
| [00:33:12] | wagnerrp: | s/possible/powerful/ |
| [00:33:54] | wagnerrp: | fine for those little embedded tasks |
| [00:33:55] | Da_Coynul: | I was reading about the UG802 today. Maybe better for a media streamer. |
| [00:34:08] | wagnerrp: | nowhere near enough for a media center application designed on modern CPUs |
| [00:34:35] | wagnerrp: | if you want to design a custom application from the ground up for use on such low end hardware, that's one thing |
| [00:34:43] | justinh: | maybe enough for ONEBIGLISTOFFILES(TM) you step through at a rate of one every 5 seconds or so |
| [00:34:52] | justinh: | like with most NMTs I've seen |
| [00:34:55] | wagnerrp: | but it's a lot more difficult to shoehorn an existing application to such a system |
| [00:35:00] | Da_Coynul: | The Intel NUC is interesting but too $$$ |
| [00:35:27] | wagnerrp: | the nuc sounds like the punch line to a bad joke |
| [00:35:28] | justinh: | it's winter time isn't it? |
| [00:35:52] | justinh: | that 80 watts or so the pc is pumping out of the back vents is 80 watts your heating isn't having to produce |
| [00:35:57] | Da_Coynul: | definitely a bad name |
| [00:36:14] | wagnerrp: | justinh: only for people running resistance heaters |
| [00:36:27] | justinh: | it's not *wasted* energy, is my point |
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| [00:36:51] | wagnerrp: | sure it is, compared to a heat pump or gas furnace |
| [00:38:58] | wagnerrp: | 1.8GHz is still a bit weak for video decoding |
| [00:39:15] | wagnerrp: | there's enough of us who want software decoding at least as a fallback option |
| [00:39:16] | justinh: | yup you still need need CPU fallback |
| [00:39:49] | justinh: | wagnerrp: point is, you get some heat back, so its not a complete waste of money in heat terms. some being better than nothing |
| [00:40:07] | wagnerrp: | right, it's not a complete loss, but it's not particularly efficient |
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| [00:40:22] | justinh: | I mean you're not gonna try & warm your house up with Athlon CPUs.. unless you're frickin Clever |
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| [00:40:44] | justinh: | (sorry Clever :-) ) |
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| [00:55:47] | tgm4883: | justinh, what if it's the summer? |
| [00:56:08] | tgm4883: | that is 80 addition watts of heat my A/C has to cool? |
| [01:07:36] | wagnerrp: | do some distributions not use the zoneinfo/localtime files? |
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| [04:06:04] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [04:06:32] | mattwj2002: | man the leaf plus is a nice antenna |
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| [05:10:06] | wagnerrp: | !seen devinheitmueller |
| [05:10:06] | MythLogBot: | devinheitmueller is here and has been idle for 7 hours 36 minutes 57 seconds |
| [05:10:41] | wagnerrp: | https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/23/75 |
| [05:18:26] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: Yeah, I know. |
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| [05:19:44] | devinheitmueller: | my hope was that thread might prompt them to start taking userland breakage more seriously. |
| [05:22:33] | devinheitmueller: | Wow, just realized that's on the front page of slashdot. |
| [05:22:35] | devinheitmueller: | :-/ |
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| [05:55:51] | sheppard: | and only happened a week ago |
| [05:58:54] | devinheitmueller: | Takes a while for the Slashdot crowd to latch on sometimes. |
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| [09:09:50] | GlemSom: | I've recently taken the jump from 0.24 to 0.26-fixes. When starting mythfrontend, it takes around 15 seconds to show the menues... in 0.24 this took around 1 seconds. Anyone have suggestion to fix that issue? (log -> http://pastebin.com/iNdXShn9 )... the system takes around 4 seconds to wake from sleep, so kinda sad to wait so long for mythfrontend to restart |
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| [09:11:58] | [R]: | GlemSom: try starting dbus |
| [09:12:58] | GlemSom: | [R] DBus is started before mythfrontend |
| [09:13:28] | [R]: | is it working? cuz it says it acn't connect |
| [09:13:49] | GlemSom: | [R], hmm... Unsure... What is the proper way of testing that ? |
| [09:14:07] | [R]: | dunno |
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| [09:46:49] | GlemSom: | Ok, guess 0.26 is just extremly slow compared to 0.24 :(... What about remote keypresses then, it it possible to do "repeat key", so scrolling in large menues is better? (like xbmc does) |
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| [16:14:55] | yunosh: | hi, what exactly causes a channel conflict when scanning for new (or updated) channels? |
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| [18:11:52] | cocoa117: | i am running 0.26 on Ubuntu 12.04, and just wonder how to see the log file? at the moment, the backend won't turn the tuner |
| [18:12:35] | cocoa117: | i keep getting error message "error tuning to transport" |
| [18:13:11] | cocoa117: | and i haven't configure the satellite yet, e.g. I am using 28.2E, but i haven't see the option to configure it in Backend setup |
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| [18:28:43] | Kuhne: | Anyone know why I get a "heartbeat" sound when I pause recordings in mythtv? |
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| [18:31:29] | [R]: | like continunous or instant? |
| [18:31:51] | Kuhne: | It's a continuous heartbeat. Like listening to your heart :) |
| [18:32:00] | [R]: | hrm |
| [18:32:16] | [R]: | tv/sound system? |
| [18:32:43] | Kuhne: | I have a Samsung 43" TV and a Samsung HT system. |
| [18:33:05] | Kuhne: | It could be those of course, but it started with the 0.25 release (am now running 0.26) |
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| [18:39:22] | [R]: | could be static or noise or something |
| [18:39:26] | [R]: | if you go back to the menu it doesnt do that? |
| [18:40:03] | Kuhne: | No exactly, it's only when I pause something (video, recording or live tv) |
| [18:40:21] | [R]: | seems weird, i dunno |
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| [18:41:51] | Kuhne: | Its just irritating, doesn't effect the system in any way. The strangest thing is that I reinstalled my backend recently, so it can't be coming from there. Wonder if I should try to reinstall the frontend as well? |
| [18:43:51] | [R]: | well that has nothing to do with the backend |
| [18:44:00] | [R]: | since the frontend is whats running on your comptuer thats outputtign the sound... |
| [18:45:25] | Kuhne: | Yeah true. I had to upgrade from Ubuntu 11.04 that's why I upgraded the backend. So I'll try the settings for the sound on the frontend... |
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| [19:17:08] | dekarl: | cocoa117: try http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Settin . . . or_satellite and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UK_Television |
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| [19:59:25] | devinheitmueller: | Does anybody actually moderate the mythtvtalk forums? |
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| [20:49:59] | zoran119: | is there a way to add rtsp stream as a channel in the backend (the stream is streaming 24/7)? |
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| [21:15:48] | jarle: | so, in 0.26 program.starttime is now in UTC, instead of localtime? I notice this has broken one of my recording rules where I use program.starttime to limit the time period to search.... |
| [21:15:58] | [R]: | yes |
| [21:16:00] | [R]: | you need to fix it |
| [21:16:38] | jarle: | I use HOUR(program.starttime), what is the SQL statement to convert to localtime? |
| [21:17:26] | [R]: | add or subtract your utc offset |
| [21:18:03] | jarle: | [R]: that will shift depending on summer time or not... |
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| [21:18:26] | [R]: | that does sound like a problem |
| [21:19:13] | jarle: | maybe CONVERT_TZ() will take care of this... |
| [21:22:12] | jarle: | reading up on the mysql CONVERT_TZ() statement it seems like it will take care of the summertime problem... |
| [21:24:29] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: i believe laga has some authority over it |
| [21:24:31] | wagnerrp: | !seen laga |
| [21:24:31] | MythLogBot: | laga was last seen 65 days 19 hours 17 minutes 43 seconds ago |
| [21:24:44] | wagnerrp: | why do you ask? |
| [21:25:02] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: I posted a couple of replies last night, which were marked as pending moderation. |
| [21:25:13] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the forum is bugged like that |
| [21:25:21] | wagnerrp: | happens to just about anyone with less than five posts |
| [21:25:26] | devinheitmueller: | Seems like the posts I replied to today went through though. |
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| [21:53:24] | MrShake: | hey guys, how do i upgrade mythtv inside mythbuntu? |
| [21:53:39] | wagnerrp: | use the mythbuntu ppas |
| [21:53:46] | MrShake: | I thought I had added the repos... but I don't believe I have actually upgraded |
| [21:54:08] | wagnerrp: | what version does "mythbackend --version" say you're running? |
| [21:54:51] | MrShake: | its showing 0.25.2-15-g46cab93 |
| [21:55:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that's fairly old |
| [21:55:07] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythbuntu? |
| [21:55:12] | MrShake: | 12.04 |
| [21:55:24] | wagnerrp: | should have new versions available |
| [21:56:13] | MrShake: | of buntu or just myth? |
| [21:56:26] | wagnerrp: | myth, for that version of *buntu |
| [21:56:45] | MrShake: | yea, looks like 04 is the current mythbuntu version |
| [21:57:11] | MrShake: | looks like 26 is current and 27 is dev for myth |
| [21:57:27] | wagnerrp: | 12.10 is the current version |
| [21:57:38] | MrShake: | I'm doing updates generally now |
| [21:57:45] | wagnerrp: | but 12.04 is a LTS version, meaning it will continue to get updated packages until 14.04 is released |
| [21:57:51] | MrShake: | I'll have to see if I have the right repos |
| [21:58:13] | MrShake: | the current download on mythbuntu's site is 12.04 |
| [21:58:19] | MrShake: | maybe they stick with the LTS |
| [21:58:52] | wagnerrp: | odd |
| [22:02:22] | MrShake: | hrm... I have 27 selected in mythbunbu control center |
| [22:02:27] | MrShake: | and enabled |
| [22:09:55] | MrShake: | oop.. just saw some mythtv packages come across update manager |
| [22:10:01] | MrShake: | maybe I was just REALLY far back |
| [22:10:10] | MrShake: | reboot |
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