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Friday, December 7th, 2012, 00:00 UTC
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[00:26:46] jpabq: mythcommflag fails pretty consistently with one of my OTA ATSC channels.
[00:27:57] tonsofpcs: jpabq: what network?
[00:28:11] jpabq: CW
[00:28:41] tonsofpcs: interesting. How badly does it fail?
[00:29:08] jpabq: "Failed with exit status 140"
[00:29:11] ** tonsofpcs hasn't tried recording from his local CW yet but has noticed CBS extending their logo into/out-of breaks possibly in an attempt to thwart commskip **
[00:29:39] jpabq: As in, total failure.
[00:30:15] tonsofpcs: interesting.
[00:31:21] tonsofpcs: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /313725.html
[00:32:51] jpabq: Yeah. I need to dig into it, and see if I can prevent the segfault.
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[00:56:48] stickman0236: frame forward and backward using the arrow keys during pause has stopped working. although the osd does indicate 'forward' 'rewind'
[00:58:30] tonsofpcs: just for one channel/source or for everything?
[01:01:12] stickman0236: everything in recorded programs. rarely watch live tv but can test and report if that'll help
[01:05:54] tonsofpcs: no idea. background processes hurting things maybe? transcoder changes? just guessing.
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[01:35:12] jpabq: stickman0236: what version of Myth? I am pretty sure that was fixed a few weeks ago.
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[01:43:35] jpabq: PatrickDickey: Hit menu, choose "Add this group to playlist". Hit menu, Playlist options -> Storage Options -> Mark as Watched
[01:44:10] PatrickDickey: Thanks. :)
[01:48:12] jpabq: Your welcome
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[02:00:43] tonsofpcs: interesting.... I'm watching TV and "MythTV wants to record [blah] on 40_1 WICZ-HD in /n/ seconds, what do you want to do?" and the options are to exit to menu or go to that channel... but I have enough tuners for *EVERY* available channel.
[02:03:43] tonsofpcs: and it will only let me change to 40.1 or 40.2 now... even though it's recording from 40.1, 12.1 (the channel I was on, new show started 1m into the hour), and 34.1 ...
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[02:11:42] tonsofpcs: wagnerrp: any ideas why this would happen?
[02:12:20] [R]: tonsofpcs: there is a setting in the frontend about dealing with livetv and rescheduling
[02:13:36] tonsofpcs: [R]: right, and i thoguht I had that set [to make it use a different tuner if I'm watching somethign]
[02:13:55] tonsofpcs: but why does it appear that the frontend is locked to a tuner?
[02:14:52] [R]: because the frontend isn't going to change it by itself
[02:14:56] [R]: you thought or you do have the option set
[02:14:59] [R]: big difference
[02:15:17] [R]: just dont use livetv
[02:15:18] [R]: problem solved
[02:15:42] tonsofpcs: I will check it when I'm through with this show (Feature request: let me get into settings without stopping LiveTV, stick it in the corner like guide or something)
[02:16:30] tonsofpcs: how does not using livetv solve a problem that prevents me from using livetv fully?
[02:17:39] [R]: lol
[02:19:09] tonsofpcs: "apply a crappy hack-job workaround" sounds a lot more like what you're suggesting I do than "solve a problem"
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[02:20:48] [R]: thats not a workaround
[02:20:52] [R]: thats the way you should be using mythtv
[02:21:42] PatrickDickey: tonsofpcs: and <[R]> isn't there a setting to give LiveTV a higher priority, so that myth will automatically switch to a different tuner, if the one it wants is being used? (Just guessing here, mind you)
[02:22:05] [R]: theres some setting that does something
[02:23:27] tonsofpcs: [R]: I should be using mythtv by not watching tv with it?
[02:23:48] [R]: livetv...
[02:23:55] [R]: stop being a slave to the networks
[02:25:49] tonsofpcs: "Allow Live TV to move scheduled shows" is enabled.
[02:27:41] PatrickDickey: tonsofpcs: While this is just another workaround, what I would do is dedicate a tuner to each program, and leave one tuner open. Use that tuner for LiveTV only. That way it shouldn't interrupt you at all. You can do that in the Recording options for the program (under Tuners).
[02:28:14] tonsofpcs: PatrickDickey: HACCCKKKKKKKK :)
[02:28:46] tonsofpcs: also, as mentioned prior, I have one tuner per channel available, there shouldn't *ever* be an issue.
[02:29:42] PatrickDickey: tonsofpcs: It's not really a hack. It's just a configuration. I understand that, but when you set up the recordings, it selected tuners automatically. And you're using one of the tuners that IT selected, for live tv. Mythtv wasn't counting on that, because it can't read your mind.
[02:30:30] tonsofpcs: so? even if it wants the automatically chosen tuner used for the recording, it can retune tuner #4 to the show i'm watching now and throw live tv over there...
[02:30:30] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4 **
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[02:30:32] PatrickDickey: So, instead of telling mythtv to select them automatically, tell it which tuner to use.
[02:30:49] tonsofpcs: why should I, as a user, care?
[02:32:41] tonsofpcs: there are four MPEG TSs available for me to choose programming to watch from. There are four physical tuners and 16 virtual (4 each) encoders. This should not be a problem.
[02:32:48] PatrickDickey: Because technically, when you're watching "Live TV" you're watching a recording. That's why there's a slight delay, if you watch it on mythtv and on another tv at the same time.
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[02:33:18] tonsofpcs: mythtv is actually still ahead of the digital cable here, even with the disk delay.
[02:33:21] tonsofpcs: :)
[02:33:30] PatrickDickey: So, you're basically telling it stop recording on this tuner, and start recording on that tuner. Then show me the recording.
[02:34:07] ** PatrickDickey would be upset if it switched right at a crucial time in the show/movie, and I missed something.... Just saying ;-) **
[02:34:34] tonsofpcs: 1) it could be a seamless switch, MPEG TS, PTS, DTS, all that.... 2) it really shouldn't need to switch
[02:35:21] tonsofpcs: What happened: I'm telling it that I want to watch channel X, it wants to record Y Z and (in 1 minute) X and for some reason it has X on tuner A and wants to bump tuner A for Y, put Z on tuner B, lock me on to tuner A, then start recording X on tuner C a minute later.
[02:36:34] tonsofpcs: it could just throw Y on B and Z on C *or* it could start recording X on C now (since it is telling me this a minute before Y and Z's shows start and 2 minutes before the show on X it wants to record) and 'migrate' me seamlessly to C and put Y on A and Z on B.
[02:36:36] PatrickDickey: So, what you're saying is the show that you were watching "on tuner X" ended, and instead of it recording the next show on that tuner, it switched to another one, right?
[02:37:06] tonsofpcs: no, I was watching a show on X that still had two minutes left.
[02:38:53] tonsofpcs: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11207 btw.
[02:38:55] PatrickDickey: Ok, so it sounds like you're saying that LIve TV should have a higher priority than any recordings. That way a recording won't take a tuner away, if you're watching Live TV. I'd look for some setting which accomplishes that, and if it's not in mythtv, submit it as a bug/feature request.
[02:39:13] tonsofpcs: there is a setting which accomplishes that in theory. It isn't working.
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[02:40:15] tonsofpcs: how do I check my versions for filling out a bug (I'm going to comment about duplication here)
[02:41:14] PatrickDickey: What os are you on?
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[02:42:47] tonsofpcs: mythbuntu
[02:42:51] PatrickDickey: On Ubuntu/Debian based systems, you can use dpkg -l | grep myth and it should list all of the myth applications, along with their versions.
[02:43:11] tonsofpcs: danke
[02:43:30] PatrickDickey: die vierkommen ;-)
[02:44:05] PatrickDickey: Or type mythfrontend --version into a terminal. It'll give you a bunch of output to attach in a bug report.
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[03:03:05] be_good_johnny: Hi everyone. Hoping that someone might be able to help me get my tv working. When I go to live tv it drops me straight back to the menu.
[03:03:20] be_good_johnny: I've got the tuners working in the backend and tv channels scanned in
[03:05:12] [R]: what does the fronetnd and backend logs say
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[03:07:45] be_good_johnny: this is the frontend log http://pastebin.com/9i96xXBq and can someone remind me where the backend log is?
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[03:09:01] skd5aner: tonsofpcs, [R]: There's a bug in 0.26 that ignores the setting to have Live TV push scheduled recordings to another available tuner – #11207
[03:09:01] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11207 **
[03:09:19] tonsofpcs: skd5aner: see the last comment on that bug :)
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[03:10:02] skd5aner: gotcha – btw, I think you might be new around here – but "me too's" are frowned upon in trac
[03:10:27] tonsofpcs: how do you confirm a bug then?
[03:10:31] skd5aner: I was reading the backlog and hadn't caught up to see that you had already found that ticket
[03:10:43] be_good_johnny: near is no logs in the /var/logs/mythtv
[03:10:46] skd5aner: tonsofpcs: you don't... if you want to discuss an existing but, you can go to the mailing list
[03:11:01] skd5aner: s/but/gug
[03:11:03] skd5aner: er, bug
[03:11:09] tonsofpcs: I understand that 5000 me toos aren't helpful but a single duplication generally is, especially if it provides more detail than the initial...
[03:11:24] skd5aner: I'm just telling you, the devs have said not to do it... for years
[03:12:17] skd5aner: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TicketHowTo – " 'Me too' posts are strictly forbidden. "
[03:12:23] skd5aner: top of the page
[03:12:50] skd5aner: don't worry about it this time, but just letting you know... it's an easy way to get a ticket locked
[03:13:00] tonsofpcs: skd5aner: "further relevant debugging info"
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[03:14:27] skd5aner: Also, I've already explicitely pointed this bug out to the devs along with a few other critical live tv issues... so they are aware already :)
[03:14:37] tonsofpcs: good :)
[03:15:13] skd5aner: but, like I said – just giving you some friendly advice as not to rock the boat too much in the ticket system
[03:15:29] skd5aner: this bug definitely is very annoying
[03:15:43] tonsofpcs: I was discussing tuner blocking with a few folks in here last night. Some don't seem to understand why one would want tuners to behave predictably, others do...
[03:16:15] skd5aner: The only relavent argument is "would a commercial DVR do that" and the answer is no – none would
[03:17:00] tonsofpcs: would a commercial DVR do what?
[03:17:25] stickman0236: jpabq: myth version is 0.26.0 is the pause problem a known issue, then?
[03:18:00] tonsofpcs: also, how is that relevant? Why would you strive to make something just as crappy as a commercial DVR? Make a good product regardless of what crap the folks out to make money do.
[03:18:46] tonsofpcs: would a commercial DVR crash due to a memory leak after a week or two of sitting in standby? yes. Should mythtv? clearly not.
[03:20:18] skd5aner: tonsofpcs: a multi-tuner commercial DVR wouldn't ask if you wanted to exit Live TV to record something if you had at least one other tuner available to do the job
[03:20:28] skd5aner: it would just use the free tuner
[03:20:47] skd5aner: stickman0236: which pause issue are you referring to?
[03:21:10] skd5aner: tonsofpcs: you're missing my point...
[03:21:26] skd5aner: tonsofpcs: I'm saying, even a basic commercial DVR would act that way – no reason MythTV should be /worse/
[03:21:30] stickman0236: won't frame ahead or back when using arrow keys anymore
[03:21:37] stickman0236: during pause
[03:21:45] skd5aner: stickman0236: yes, it's a 0.26 issue, but has been fixed and backported about a month ago
[03:21:51] skd5aner: to 0.26-fixes
[03:22:08] stickman0236: whew! thanks so much for the info
[03:22:13] skd5aner: np :)
[03:22:21] tonsofpcs: skd5aner: I see your point, but I see it as restrictive. No "sane system" would act that way either and this is much less restrictive. :)
[03:23:08] skd5aner: what was restrictive about what I said?
[03:24:17] skd5aner: I don't think MythTV should even have the setting at all to determine if Live TV should try and push a recording to another tuner or not... it just should. The fact that it asks is rediculous and should only ask if you don't have another tuner available
[03:24:36] skd5aner: another example of a setting that could be a reasonable default...
[03:24:40] tonsofpcs: yes, agreed.
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[03:33:15] stickman0236: is the UTC file naming something I have to learn to live with or is there setting to get the old localtime file naming back?
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[03:34:35] [R]: you shouldn't be caring about the filenames
[03:35:16] skd5aner: jpabq: I've had lots of errors with commflag since 0.25, no better in 0.26
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[03:38:40] skd5aner: tonsofpcs: also (reading backlog) – just run mythfrontend --version or mythbackend --version to output the relavent info to submit with a bug report, but you are asked to actually submit that IN an attachment instead of copying and pasting in the ticket... as it make search less effective
[03:40:24] skd5aner: stickman0236: gotta learn to live with it
[03:40:52] skd5aner: stickman0236: not sure if mythlink or whatever it calls is still valid and around
[03:42:46] stickman0236: did find reference to a script, something like mythrename(?) but that just sounds like a bigger hassle
[03:43:45] tonsofpcs: stickman0236: just make some scripts ls_myth and mv_myth and cp_myth that show and accept the local times.
[03:43:45] skd5aner: yea, maybe that was it... but I wouldn't really use that solution
[03:45:51] stickman0236: it's not too often I have to poke around for a recording. I'll just have to do the math
[03:47:02] tonsofpcs: just change your clocks all to UTC and don't worry. Time zones are silly arbitrary constructs anyway
[03:54:01] stickman0236: I wonder if my employer would buy that?
[03:54:52] tonsofpcs: so long as you show up at the time he expects you, why does he care if you call it 1400Z when he calls it 9am EST?
[03:56:02] stickman0236: that's more math *sigh*
[03:56:29] be_good_johnny: I just noticed I am getting this error after mythtv-setup trying to workout my live tv issue
[03:56:31] be_good_johnny: Connection to master server timed out. Either the server is down or the master server settings in mythtv-settings does not contain the proper IP address
[03:57:34] tonsofpcs: stickman0236: get a watch with two hour hands
[04:02:20] stickman0236: thanks for your time, you guys. have a good night
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[04:02:59] be_good_johnny: what port should the master backend be? Should it be 6543 or 6544? In the configuration one is set to 6544 and one to 6543
[04:04:39] clever: just leave them at defaults
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[04:11:03] be_good_johnny: Yep they are. Just checked. Any ideas clever on why livetv drops me straight back to the menu (and thanks so much for yout help last night
[04:11:37] clever: check the frontend logs
[04:13:15] be_good_johnny: Nothing in them but this: http://pastebin.com/EiCW5x97
[04:13:26] be_good_johnny: and I've been back through the backend setup
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[04:14:22] be_good_johnny: and there is nothing in /var/logs/mythtv
[04:14:35] clever: be_good_johnny: 2012-12–07 15:07:23.322945 E It appears that your backend may be misconfigured. Check your backend logs to determine whether your capture cards, lineups, channels, or storage configuration are reporting errors. This issue is commonly caused by failing to complete all setup steps properly. You may wish to review the documentation for mythtv-setup.
[04:15:19] be_good_johnny: I've been through it several times and can't see any issues and documentation
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[04:15:34] be_good_johnny: perhaps I need to delete all my tuners and resetup
[04:17:06] clever: did you check backend logs when trying to do livetv?
[04:17:54] be_good_johnny: are there logs anywhere other than /var/logs/mythtv? because there is nothing in that folder
[04:22:21] clever: they are sent on stdout of mythbackend, or wherever your distro configured it to go
[04:22:37] clever: bbl
[04:24:48] be_good_johnny: I'm trying to find them but I'm not very good at finding things in Linux yet
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[04:27:34] be_good_johnny: clever I found the backend log but not much here http://pastebin.com/S5my7St4
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[04:54:56] be_good_johnny: Does anyone know what should be choosen under input groups? My Nova T has got DVB_/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 whilst my HVR2200 all have generic
[04:59:00] bill6502: wagnerrp: FYI, I had 68,429 " ... Recording will not commence until a PMT is set" messages Wed. night. All on NBC, also with nothing recorded. v0.27-pre2-278-g3eef99e-dirty (dirty with danielk22's patch for #11195.) They were from 2 recordings, 1 hour long and the other 2 hours long. No problems tonight. Possible NBC problem?
[04:59:00] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11195 **
[05:07:59] be_good_johnny: I've been back through the mythtv-setup. Deleted all the cards and re-added them. This time when I came out I had DiSEqCDevTree: No device tree for cardid 3
[05:08:15] be_good_johnny: and that is repeated for other cards :(
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[05:55:49] sheppard: can I use mythcommflag from the 0.27 branch with 0.26?
[05:56:20] morphjk: can someone tell be how I can drop my database? But I don't want to lose my TCP settings as I had issue getting my frontend connecting to the backend
[05:57:21] morphjk: i think it may be causing me grief so what a renew it
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[06:15:35] wagnerrp: bill6502: my recordings were on a variety of channels, so not just NBC
[06:15:58] wagnerrp: sheppard: no. mythcommflag requires database and protocol access, meaning it is restricted to that specific version of mythtv
[06:21:38] sheppard: crud
[06:22:57] sheppard: and going from 0.26 to 0.27 or 0.26 to 0.25 is probably going to destroy my database right?
[06:30:39] toeb: 0.26-> will not work if you don't have a backup of your 0.25 database
[06:31:18] toeb: 26->27 does work automatigaically... but going back will also require a database backup of 26
[06:32:53] toeb: sheppard: nothing should get desroyed only upgraded...
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[06:53:52] sheppard: welp
[06:53:55] sheppard: that broke everything
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[07:12:54] toeb: what broke everything?
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[07:29:05] sheppard: attempting to upgrade
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[08:08:06] toeb: sheppard: i think you need to be a little more specific about what everything is...
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[10:27:20] sheppard: if I wanted to completely blow away mythtv, then reinstall it on ubuntu
[10:27:26] sheppard: what would be the correct magic to feed apt
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[10:37:14] sheppard: think I got it
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[10:54:35] sheppard: maybe
[10:54:44] sheppard: seems to keep wanting to go back to 0.27, but I want 0.26
[10:55:14] sheppard: cleaned out my package cache, and took out all the extra repos under sources.list.d/
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[11:33:35] PatrickDickey: sheppard: have you gotten myth completely removed and reinstalled? If not, you could use sudo apt-get purge myth* (may have to be sudo apt-get purge mythtv*). That should completely remove all traces of it. Then you'll be able to install it again.
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[13:33:41] sheppard: haha, back to a working install maybe
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[15:18:18] sheppard: nope
[15:18:27] sheppard: pretends to work, but mythtv-setup looks different
[15:18:35] sheppard: and it seems to record, but nothing happens
[15:18:51] sheppard: blue mythtv logo in the top right, is that 0.27?
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[16:04:54] sheppard: HttpServer88 programinfo.cpp:2284 (GetPlaybackURL) ProgramInfo(1125_20121207160400.mpg): GetPlaybackURL: '1125_20121207160400.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.
[16:04:57] sheppard: >:|
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[17:16:32] gkk: hello, is anyone familiar with using Lossless Cut?
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[18:13:21] skd5aner: sheppard: there is no "0.27"
[18:13:50] skd5aner: sheppard: the latest is 0.26... 0.27-pre is Master, and just the development branch
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[18:14:53] skd5aner: sheppard: running master for production isn't recommended, and you can expect things to be broken... also, as others have stated, there is no manual downgrade path. You must backup your database, and restore if you want to go back after an upgrade
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[18:18:25] sheppard: yeah
[18:18:34] sheppard: after fighting with apt enough, I'm back to 0–26
[18:18:41] sheppard: and my record issue was because my STB went to sleep
[18:18:45] sheppard: so it seems to be recording again
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[18:23:45] hotwings: anyone using mythtv in NA by chance?
[18:24:00] hotwings: have a question about program/series ID
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[19:07:27] sphery: hotwings: better to ask the question and let people decide whether they can answer it :)
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[19:12:19] dijonyummy: hi, i cant get any tvshow data
[19:12:34] dijonyummy: i keep seeing "datadirect.cpp:1186 (GrabData) DataDirect: Failed to get data: Download error" in my mythfilldatabase log
[19:12:41] dijonyummy: i'm using schedules direct
[19:13:14] dijonyummy: my account is fine, and i even modified my lineup, then save, repeatedly as someone else noted online but still get problem
[19:14:41] [R]: run mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all manually and pastebin the log
[19:18:39] dijonyummy: [R], i'll try that
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[19:21:05] dijonyummy: i have mythtv 0.25 is that the best version for unbuntu 12.04?
[19:22:01] [R]: well 0.26 is out...
[19:22:10] [R]: i don't know what "best" means...
[19:22:42] dijonyummy: stable/reliable. just want it to work :)
[19:22:55] sheppard: Decoder avformatdecoder.cpp:4506 (GetFrame) decoding error#012#011#011#011eno: Unknown error 541478725 (541478725)
[19:23:02] sheppard: now I just need to somehow magiaclly correct that
[19:23:15] dijonyummy: i liked gbpvr a lot, but that was for windows and no HD
[19:24:09] hotwings: does mythtv show actual episode numbers for tv shows, or just the program ID from zap2it or schedules direct
[19:24:34] sheppard: hotwings: I'm using schedules direct and it seems to have episode info for the few shows I've checked out
[19:24:47] dijonyummy: does zap2it work better than schedules direct with mythtv? i'm having so many problems
[19:25:48] hotwings: sheppard – episode info.. as in something like "episode 15" or whatever? or "episode xxxx" where xxxx is some 4 digit number
[19:25:58] wagnerrp: dijonyummy: zap2it is just a website that displays Tribune Media Services data, Tribune is the same company you get data from through Schedules Direct
[19:26:22] wagnerrp: hotwings: no, Tribune does not return any specific values for season and episode number
[19:26:44] hotwings: wagnerrp – it does for episode.. not season however
[19:26:50] wagnerrp: sometimes, that information can be extracted from the episodeid. often times it does not.
[19:27:12] [R]: hotwings: the metadata grabber can sometimes get season/episode
[19:27:23] hotwings: its in every tv series show i have in my eepg
[19:27:25] wagnerrp: the episodeid is not guaranteed to be anything but a unique id for that specific episode
[19:27:47] wagnerrp: meaning it is useful for duplicate matching, and nothing more
[19:28:30] wagnerrp: mythtv can independently attempt to match the series and episode name with the data on TheTVDB.com
[19:28:47] wagnerrp: and if a match is found, it can supplement the data received from Tribune with things like season and episode number
[19:32:20] dijonyummy: [R]: i dont see any errors after running that mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all, so it looks good? i'll have to go back home later to check from the frontend to see if it works. but whats the difference between 'mythfilldatabase' and 'mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all"? i only have 1 lineup on scheudles direct?
[19:32:42] skd5aner: sphery: hey man
[19:32:48] wagnerrp: by default, it only grabs today+1 and today+14
[19:32:52] dijonyummy: why the original "Download error", was that just intermittent network issue?
[19:33:04] wagnerrp: with --dd-grab-all, it grabs all 14 days in one shot
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[19:33:22] wagnerrp: giving you more up-to-date information, and actually putting less load on their systems
[19:33:47] wagnerrp: --dd-grab-all is preferred, so long as you don't have a low end system like an ARM or Atom
[19:33:57] wagnerrp: or old P4
[19:34:01] sphery: skd5aner: hello
[19:34:24] sphery: hotwings: and syndicatedepisodenumber is /not/ episode number
[19:34:31] dijonyummy: how to make mythtv do --dd-grab-all automatically, or cant so i should just disable it in myth and add the manual command in something like a cron job?
[19:34:37] dijonyummy: wagnerrp, thanks good info
[19:34:54] skd5aner: sphery: wanted to let you know I've been using the video editor a lot over the last few days, remote only... I know you did most of the work a while ago, but it's really nice
[19:34:56] sphery: the only "human friendly" season and episode info that should be in the database is that put there by the metadata grabbers
[19:35:02] wagnerrp: in mythtv-setup, where it lets you tell mythtv the command to run, add '--dd-grab-all'
[19:35:20] sphery: skd5aner: hehe, glad to hear--it's not often I get positive feedback :)
[19:35:31] skd5aner: sphery: I had always used the keyboard with the old editor, and was pretty efficient at it, but I was pretty amazed how easy it was to do via remote now
[19:35:59] sphery: yeah, and especially once you really understand it, it's easy
[19:36:18] sphery: I find it's actually easier to cut commercials without ever importing the flag list than it is to import the flag list and fix it
[19:36:40] skd5aner: sphery: well, sometimes things aren't black and white... and new doesn't always mean better... but in this case, I think you did a really good job. I can still do it with the keyboard, but it's almost as easy to just use the remote at this point
[19:36:44] skd5aner: which was never the case before
[19:37:15] skd5aner: sphery: yea, depending on what it is... it can be easier to do it manually
[19:37:47] skd5aner: sphery: now that I kissed your ass with my compliment... I can move on to my long complaint list
[19:37:48] sphery: dijonyummy: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/449426#449426 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 49416#449416 (where the 2nd is the post quoted by the first--the link in the first post is dead)
[19:37:56] skd5aner: sphery: j/k
[19:38:22] sphery: hehe
[19:38:35] sphery: if you do have suggestions, I'd be happy to hear them
[19:38:51] skd5aner: careful what you ask for
[19:38:52] sphery: I have some more plans (which will make it /much/ better), but havne't made the time, yet
[19:39:07] sphery: but, basically, will make navigation easier, will obsolete the idea of importing the flag list
[19:39:11] skd5aner: honestly... the only ones I have I think are in tickets already, or were brought up...
[19:39:28] skd5aner: seeing 3 frames ahead and 3 frames behind would be incredibly helpful
[19:39:38] skd5aner: I think someone mentioned that, maybe in the web editor patch
[19:39:49] skd5aner: frame count is very useful now
[19:40:01] sphery: will show you "anything" in the edit bar (i.e. top half of (or one of 2) edit bar(s) shows the flag list and bottom half shows cut list, or shows blank frames and cut list or ...)
[19:40:24] sphery: yeah, there's an updated patch for the multi-frame view
[19:40:56] sphery: the biggest problem with it is that it's slow because of how we create images (and probably unbearable on Atom)
[19:40:59] skd5aner: The only other item I discovered was a slight usability item...
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[19:41:49] skd5aner: if you are cutting, and you make a cut, but then discover that you want the last cut to actually cut to the end, I can't delete the last cutpoint and say "delete to end" – instead, it deletes the entire last cut, then I have to go back to the start of the cut and say delete to end all over again
[19:41:55] sphery: If you have some ideas for how to make the menu better, I'd love them--I hate how it's different depending on things (i.e. sometimes has undo, sometimes has redo) because it makes it so that you can't use it by muscle memory
[19:42:17] skd5aner: it would be nice if I could just change that last cut point to say cut to end, similiar to how I can move a cutpoint
[19:43:02] skd5aner: man... muscle memory is how I did it using the keyboard in the old system – it was kind of funny how quickly I could use the spacebar and the arrow keys to make things happen
[19:43:26] sphery: skd5aner: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Editing_Recordings#Advanced_Editing (last 2 bullets)
[19:43:36] sphery: though it's still a delete, it's a delete without having to re-find things
[19:44:08] sphery: (last 2 top-level bullets, that is)
[19:44:13] skd5aner: yea, that's what I did – go to the beginning cut
[19:44:19] skd5aner: delete, and then cut to end
[19:44:24] sphery: yeah
[19:44:37] sphery: and that will be much easier with the new navigation improvements
[19:44:59] sphery: main reason I didn't add an "extend cut to beginning/end of recording" was the menu was getting long enough
[19:45:07] skd5aner: after doing it wrong twice, and having to refind the start of the cut, I quickly realized it was easier to do it that way – but wasn't exactly intuitive – had to learn from doing it wrong
[19:45:14] sphery: though I'll see if I can some up with a better procedure
[19:45:56] sphery: yeah, a menu item would be more discoverable, but would also complicate/lengthen the menu (possibly making other, more important/often-used functions harder to find/use)
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[19:47:56] sphery: skd5aner: another option... | [ ] ^ | (where current position is ^ and [ ] marks a cut) is to go to the right of ^, cut to end, then go anywhere within either cut and hit SELECT, then go anywhere inside the other cut and hit SELECT (to join the 2 cuts))
[19:48:23] sphery: skd5aner: or go to the right of ^, cut to end, then go anywhere within the uncut area between and hit DELETE
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[19:48:48] sphery: about 20 different approaches, some of which are easier depending on which buttons are most-easily accessible
[19:50:59] sphery: and feel free to document any more of these advanced editing techniques... I've been saying since it went in that editing only looks difficult until you stop thinking like the old editor (i.e. sometimes the most-direct approach is an indirect approach)
[19:51:12] sphery: anyway, I have to get going... need to start my weekend :)
[19:51:58] sphery: er, above, instead of "go to the right of ^" I meant "move ^ to the right of the cut, as shown"
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[20:33:41] justinh: raspberry pi day today. This was with the courier emailing me on wednesday to say I'd have it in less than 24 hours.
[20:33:51] justinh: considering I only ordered it in August..
[20:34:03] [R]: haha
[20:34:09] [R]: only 4 months
[20:34:24] justinh: absolute rubbish. and the delivery time hasn't been much good either
[20:34:52] justinh: don't expect I'll ever be disappointed by this piece of crap cheap thing :-)
[20:35:23] justinh: by that I mean I don't have unrealistic expectations of it replacing any aspect of my mythtv system
[20:35:57] sheppard: lol
[20:36:22] sheppard: if you have a receiver to decode with, makes life easier on the pi
[20:36:24] justinh: it's .. like a pogoplug.. only cheaper.. and has everything on one USB bus instead of proper, separate buses
[20:36:47] justinh: what's not to like? ;-)
[20:36:59] sheppard: I ordered one of those new odroid ux2 thingers
[20:37:03] sheppard: should be fun
[20:37:05] justinh: first thing is to get lirc worky on it
[20:37:07] sheppard: wish it had optical out though
[20:37:18] justinh: does it have USB?
[20:37:20] sheppard: justinh: it does libcec, screw lirc
[20:37:35] justinh: libcec can't turn my TV on
[20:37:55] ** justinh is flatly refusing to join the 'aitch dee' revolution **
[20:38:07] sheppard: wat?
[20:38:10] sheppard: HD?
[20:38:23] justinh: woo! thinner teevees! wooo! poorer contrast than my ole still working CRT... OH
[20:38:58] sheppard: sd pq makes me sick
[20:39:17] sheppard: I like my programs to look better than real life.
[20:39:31] justinh: and the greatest irony of all.. if we got a flat panel teevee right now we'd also need to invest in one of those doodies which clamp to the back of the set & the stand.. which will make it as deep as the CRT
[20:39:42] justinh: ... to stop mr toddler tipping it over a lot
[20:40:06] sheppard: that's what you get for breeding...
[20:40:10] justinh: oh that's the other thing. CRT is much more forgiving than LCD for low bitrate SDTV
[20:40:11] sheppard: nobody to blame but yourself really
[20:40:25] justinh: and when 90%+ of the content here is SD... er..
[20:40:49] justinh: chuck out a perfectly working CRT, spend money on a panel & be appalled by the poor picture
[20:40:55] justinh: *most* of the time
[20:41:13] justinh: it's all well & good when 90%+ of content is HD, I suppose. but it ain't. Not here
[20:41:31] sheppard: I threw away a perfectly good flat panel because it was too big to fit in my bathroom
[20:41:36] justinh: lol
[20:42:05] justinh: actually the last HDTV I saw in action wasn't too bad at showing SD
[20:42:27] justinh: all the magic de-artifacting DSP crap it has inside it I expect
[20:42:29] sheppard: if you upscale it and throw enough digital filters at it, it can look better
[20:42:49] justinh: yeah but what'd it look like played through mythtv?
[20:43:02] justinh: that's the big £500 question
[20:43:30] justinh: maybe 15 years ago I'd have been all over HD by this point. Several times over
[20:43:44] justinh: but you get to a point where you think "MEH. same crap, better resolution"
[20:44:13] sheppard: wat
[20:44:21] justinh: the content
[20:44:31] sheppard: it's all terrible
[20:44:33] justinh: it's still mostly rubbish
[20:44:39] sheppard: I just like seeing the blemishes on their faces
[20:44:50] justinh: and the channel I watch the most (BBC Four) isn't available in HD yet
[20:46:31] justinh: basically, it boils down to this.. spend money, for inferior quality on the shows *I* watch, but so my wife can watch soaps in high def. LOL
[21:01:49] justinh: hmm. so if lirc took out the mceusb driver because it's in the kernel.. ummm... how do I get irsend to work?
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[21:35:53] justinh: so irsend 'works' now but doesn't seem to be sending any blastering
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[21:55:59] skd5aner: ha – last updated 2007 – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Using_playback_filters
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[22:02:53] justinh: gah. might end up using the pi's GPIO. exactly what I didn't want to have to do
[22:06:11] skd5aner: wow, vdpaudenoise works really well on my SD content – should have used that a long time ago
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[22:09:36] jams: skd5aner, does that run in batch mode?
[22:10:03] skd5aner: jams: for transcoding?
[22:10:20] skd5aner: jams: it runs in real-time during playback
[22:10:25] jams: nevermind i see it's a filter
[22:10:33] skd5aner: yea :)
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[22:20:42] justinh: grr. irsend works, but I've put a scope on the ir LED.. nothing doing at all. booo!
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[23:38:52] Kevin`: can someone please help me, I get 'video frame buffering failed too many times' when I open livetv on one frontend. I don't get a channel number because the ui doesn't have one, I can't change channels because you can only do that once streaming is started
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