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| [01:15:20] | skd5aner: | IReboot: giving the new script a go... it's getting further than before :) |
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| [01:18:57] | skd5aner: | IReboot: wow... that totally worked... and the concert cuts worked great |
| [01:19:02] | skd5aner: | IReboot: bravo! |
| [01:20:02] | skd5aner: | IReboot: only question I have is that it seems to have forced the cuts to happen at keyframes, or so I'm guessing, because the end of some of the videos that it output were a few seconds off from the actual cut in the video editor |
| [01:22:44] | IReboot: | skd5aner: There is no choice but to use keyframes. (1) If you do not use keyframes the video is corrupted. (2) mkvmerge which is used to do the cuts will cut on the nearest keyframe whether you like it or not. For a HDPVR 720p recording I found there was a keyframe ~2.48 seconds of video. |
| [01:23:16] | skd5aner: | what about 1080i? about the same? |
| [01:24:00] | skd5aner: | IReboot: I suspected that to be the case – it is what it is, and I'll take it |
| [01:24:03] | IReboot: | skd5aner: I have no idea. I did test 1080i but never saw or remembered the general number of seconds |
| [01:24:09] | skd5aner: | np |
| [01:24:28] | skd5aner: | honestly – nice fix, not sure what you did... but it works nice and I ddn't even have to send you that sample |
| [01:25:09] | IReboot: | skd5aner: Glad it worked. You caught me at a perfect time as I was going to do a release anyway and I knew exactly where the issue was. |
| [01:27:10] | IReboot: | skd5aner: I already had three methods of finding the FPS but had left an old error trap in so I just disabled it. In your case if MythTV did not have the recordedmarkup type 32 record the script would have aborted like before. |
| [01:28:02] | skd5aner: | gotcha – easy enough then, but good to hear it's so robust |
| [01:28:23] | IReboot: | skd5aner: thanks |
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| [02:18:28] | boykillsworld: | Hello I realize this is probably the wrong chat but can someone point me in the direction of one that deals with mame. I'm trying to figure out what file I have to move to move the controller map from my previous mythbox. |
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| [02:33:21] | skd5aner: | Of course there's plenty of fan art for this... http://thetvdb.com/?tab=series&id=79619&lid=7 |
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| [02:34:52] | plut0: | i'm seeing random recordings not finishing, only recording a few minutes then ending, any ideas? |
| [02:36:11] | [R]: | what does the log say |
| [02:36:34] | plut0: | [R]: which? mythbackend? |
| [02:36:47] | [R]: | what other log would be involved in recording? |
| [02:36:56] | plut0: | one sec let me check |
| [02:40:16] | plut0: | Maximum buffer size exceeded. file will be truncated, no further writing will be done. This generally indicates your disk performance is insufficient to deal with the number of on-going recordings, or you have a disk failure. |
| [02:40:57] | [R]: | there you go |
| [02:41:19] | plut0: | not good |
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| [02:48:28] | plut0: | bummer |
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| [03:29:36] | skd5aner: | wtf is up with this long thread about "major features" that has nothing to do with what the OP was about |
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| [03:58:32] | Demon_Fox: | My external drive is not being spun up by mythtv |
| [03:58:40] | Demon_Fox: | Not for recording or anything |
| [03:58:56] | Demon_Fox: | ls on the command like can make it do it. |
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| [04:41:43] | tank-man: | i just lost channels 29–60 (sd/analog) unless i get a set top box :/ |
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| [05:50:14] | Demon_Fox: | According to mythtv's frontend my capture card is not working, anyway to find out why? |
| [05:54:38] | Demon_Fox: | I am thinking powering off and checking. |
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| [05:59:18] | wagnerrp: | check your backend logs |
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| [06:02:33] | Demon_Fox: | Would the card be something like /dev/video0? |
| [06:02:43] | sheppard: | is there a gtk app for playing with remote codes? |
| [06:02:44] | Demon_Fox: | I am in the mythsetup and mistakely deleted the card |
| [06:03:32] | [R]: | sheppard: playing with? |
| [06:03:39] | sheppard: | like, getting them set up |
| [06:03:56] | [R]: | irrecord is really all you need |
| [06:04:02] | [R]: | i've never used anythin else |
| [06:09:20] | Demon_Fox: | reloading the module worked like a charm for some reason. |
| [06:10:09] | Demon_Fox: | Now it fails |
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| [06:10:27] | Demon_Fox: | Something about Device or resource busy |
| [06:14:39] | toeb: | Demon_Fox: is another application using the device? if you run mythtv-setup, mythbackend also counts as other application... |
| [06:15:33] | Demon_Fox: | I think after readding the capture card I should do a channel scan. |
| [06:15:45] | Demon_Fox: | Just checking to see if that works though. |
| [06:16:59] | Demon_Fox: | works now |
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| [06:19:13] | Demon_Fox: | Anyone have statistics on how much data per hour 720p takes? |
| [06:19:59] | wagnerrp: | roughly 280GB |
| [06:20:26] | Demon_Fox: | Sounds a bit too high. |
| [06:21:23] | wagnerrp: | 1280x720 * 60fps * (8 + 2 + 2)bpp |
| [06:21:45] | Demon_Fox: | so |
| [06:21:59] | Demon_Fox: | 1280*720 * 30fps * 10 |
| [06:22:04] | wagnerrp: | so... it is a bit high, it's actually only 278GB/hr |
| [06:22:11] | wagnerrp: | 60fps |
| [06:22:18] | wagnerrp: | and 10? |
| [06:22:44] | Demon_Fox: | I do mean this is compressed by mpeg2 |
| [06:23:02] | Demon_Fox: | Just not sure the data rate standard |
| [06:23:07] | wagnerrp: | that doesn't mean anything |
| [06:23:17] | wagnerrp: | you can compress with as high or as low a data rate as you want |
| [06:23:29] | Demon_Fox: | I mean over the air digital |
| [06:23:47] | wagnerrp: | if you mean broadcast ATSC... you peak out at 19.4Mbps for the bitstream, and individual channels are typically 12–16Mbps |
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| [06:24:10] | wagnerrp: | so... figure 5–7GB/hr |
| [06:24:36] | Demon_Fox: | 1080i being 10GB/hr? |
| [06:24:53] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [06:25:24] | wagnerrp: | ATSC maxes out at 19.4Mbps for the entire bitstream, meaning you can never exceed 8.5GB/hr |
| [06:25:24] | Demon_Fox: | I will calculate this out, sorry. |
| [06:25:32] | Demon_Fox: | wow |
| [06:25:48] | Demon_Fox: | I am going to do some calculations with the data you gave me. |
| [06:26:02] | wagnerrp: | individual channels contained in that bitstream will typically be 12–16Mbps |
| [06:26:05] | Demon_Fox: | 16Mbps sounds fair for 720p |
| [06:26:38] | wagnerrp: | how much specifically depends on the broadcaster, what encoders they are using, what settings they are using, whether they have a number of subchannels on the same stream, etc... |
| [06:27:35] | Demon_Fox: | With 16Mbps I get 1.9GB per hour |
| [06:27:44] | wagnerrp: | ive seen NBC (1080i) and FOX (720p) at as high as 7GB/hr, but they're more typically at 6GB/hr |
| [06:27:57] | wagnerrp: | while my CBS (1080i) affiliate is often at an awful 4.5GB/hr |
| [06:28:27] | wagnerrp: | not sure how you came up with that value |
| [06:28:35] | wagnerrp: | 16Mbps == 2MB/s |
| [06:28:39] | wagnerrp: | or 7200MB/hr |
| [06:28:48] | Demon_Fox: | I did my math wrong |
| [06:29:43] | Demon_Fox: | I am guessing I should just roughly divide the bit rate by eight to get close. |
| [06:30:05] | wagnerrp: | no, you should EXACTLY divide the bitrate by eight |
| [06:30:14] | wagnerrp: | one byte is eight bits, exactly |
| [06:31:40] | Demon_Fox: | I mean 1024 bytes in a kilobyte |
| [06:31:50] | Demon_Fox: | I am just rounding those 1024's to 1000 |
| [06:32:29] | Demon_Fox: | Good night, and thanks for the information. |
| [06:32:38] | Demon_Fox: | I am tired, so I can't do conversions. |
| [06:33:00] | Demon_Fox: | wait I was right and wrong |
| [06:33:14] | Demon_Fox: | I was doing it for one MB / s |
| [06:45:58] | tonsxchat: | for ATSC, 19.393 Mbps ... / 8 = 2.424 MBps ... * 60 = 145.448 MBpm ... * 60 = 8726.85 MBph |
| [06:46:30] | tonsxchat: | ... / 1024 = 8.523 GB/hr. |
| [06:48:23] | Demon_Fox: | total of 8.1275GB/hr according to my calculations |
| [06:48:37] | Demon_Fox: | 19.393*1000*1000/ 8.0 / 1024 /1024/1024 * 60.0*60.0 |
| [06:50:54] | Demon_Fox: | For real this time, good night. |
| [06:52:04] | tonsxchat: | if you want to get more precise, 19.393 is clearly not precise enough |
| [06:52:16] | tonsxchat: | then again, we pad it with nulls to fill, no one actually puts 19.393 of usable data. |
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| [07:10:15] | sheppard: | is there something like the hauppauge HD-PVR that isn't a complete piece of crap? |
| [07:14:40] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [07:15:55] | sheppard: | under linux it's just awful |
| [07:16:26] | sheppard: | doesn't like resolution changes |
| [07:16:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, if you're running two year old drivers |
| [07:17:07] | sheppard: | okay well, why does mythbuntu 12.04.1 ship with 2 year old drivers then |
| [07:17:25] | wagnerrp: | 12.04 should have no problem dealing with resolution changes on an HDPVR |
| [07:17:44] | sheppard: | managed to hardlock my system just sending ir codes |
| [07:17:53] | sheppard: | and it got REALLY unhappy when the STB was powered down while it was playing |
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| [08:15:33] | hipitihop: | #linuxmce |
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| [08:24:15] | Demon_Fox: | When will the transcoding jobs start? |
| [08:30:26] | Demon_Fox: | If I forgot to install transcode before compiling mythtv, will I have to recompile mythtv in order to do transcoding? |
| [08:30:48] | wagnerrp: | forgot to install transcode? |
| [08:31:32] | Demon_Fox: | yeah |
| [08:32:19] | wagnerrp: | mythtranscode is compiled and installed with the rest of mythtv |
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| [08:34:12] | Demon_Fox: | should I have to restart mythbackend? |
| [08:34:15] | Demon_Fox: | I am guessing yes |
| [08:34:25] | wagnerrp: | to do what? |
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| [08:35:13] | Demon_Fox: | It lost my storage groups or something sorry |
| [08:35:21] | Demon_Fox: | I just have to find out what is going on. |
| [08:35:39] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what that means |
| [08:35:56] | Demon_Fox: | Where it stores the recorded video |
| [08:36:04] | wagnerrp: | right... lost them? |
| [08:36:15] | wagnerrp: | like the storage is no longer mounted? |
| [08:36:17] | Demon_Fox: | That is what it said |
| [08:36:23] | wagnerrp: | what said? |
| [08:36:26] | Demon_Fox: | I used my home directory for it. |
| [08:36:33] | Demon_Fox: | Here is what is says: |
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| [08:37:21] | Demon_Fox: | Unable to find any storage group directories. Using hard coded default value of '/mnt/storage/' |
| [08:37:26] | Demon_Fox: | I mean |
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| [08:37:31] | Demon_Fox: | Unable to find any storage group directories. Using hard coded default value of '/mnt/store' |
| [08:37:35] | wagnerrp: | because you havent defined any |
| [08:37:42] | wagnerrp: | they are defined in mythtv-setup |
| [08:37:48] | Demon_Fox: | yes |
| [08:38:02] | Demon_Fox: | /home/my_user_name/myth/ |
| [08:38:11] | Demon_Fox: | Then I divided it farther and etc |
| [08:38:29] | wagnerrp: | are you sure you are running mythbackend as that user? |
| [08:38:37] | Demon_Fox: | yes |
| [08:38:41] | wagnerrp: | and not some other user that does not have permission to access that folder? |
| [08:39:15] | Demon_Fox: | I wonder if It has write permission on those folders |
| [08:39:29] | Demon_Fox: | it messed up one of my own programs doing that once, I am going to check |
| [08:42:09] | Demon_Fox: | changed the permissions to 0777 and it still is not working right |
| [08:42:33] | wagnerrp: | can i see the full logs from the start of mythbackend? |
| [08:43:28] | Demon_Fox: | Where are those stored? |
| [08:43:58] | wagnerrp: | in the terminal in which you ran `mythbackend` |
| [08:44:12] | Demon_Fox: | That is not in an emulated terminal |
| [08:44:21] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [08:44:34] | Demon_Fox: | ctrl + alt + f2 |
| [08:44:39] | Demon_Fox: | that is where I ran it |
| [08:44:50] | Demon_Fox: | For me anyways |
| [08:44:57] | Demon_Fox: | I can stop it and start it again |
| [08:45:07] | Demon_Fox: | in an emulated terminal |
| [08:45:10] | wagnerrp: | so run it with '--logpath', or '> somefile.txt' |
| [08:45:54] | wagnerrp: | i really need to write something that scrapes logs from the database and uploads them to a pastebin... |
| [08:46:31] | Demon_Fox: | I am posting them with the help of darkstarbyte |
| [08:47:04] | darkstarbyte: | http://pastebin.com/P4hYsBJ3 |
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| [08:48:18] | wagnerrp: | looks like you simply never defined any directories to record to in mythtv-setup |
| [08:48:36] | wagnerrp: | it would have complained about being unable to access them otherwise |
| [08:50:13] | darkstarbyte: | I wonder if I mistakely deleted them, I will have to check. |
| [08:50:30] | wagnerrp: | just to make sure, when you ran mythtv-setup, you ran it on the same machine as is running mythbackend? |
| [08:50:57] | Demon_Fox: | I see them in there |
| [08:51:15] | Demon_Fox: | It tells you, and can kill it if it is. |
| [08:52:55] | Demon_Fox: | I will have to use a screen casting program to show you. |
| [08:53:51] | Demon_Fox: | Darn |
| [08:54:00] | Demon_Fox: | Now my capture card is acting up |
| [08:54:18] | Demon_Fox: | It thinks it is busy again |
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| [08:56:23] | darkstarbyte: | http://pastebin.com/kDsf0EgH |
| [08:57:29] | wagnerrp: | are you already running another instance of mythbackend? or mythtv-setup? |
| [08:57:44] | Demon_Fox: | I might be of the backend I will check |
| [08:57:49] | Demon_Fox: | nope |
| [08:57:51] | wagnerrp: | would have to be mythbackend |
| [08:57:59] | wagnerrp: | Failed listening on TCP 127.0.0.1:6543 – Error 8: The bound address is already in use |
| [08:58:12] | Demon_Fox: | I wonder if I should use a friendly kill command? |
| [08:58:17] | Demon_Fox: | Perhaps it went zombie on me. |
| [08:58:39] | Demon_Fox: | I am guessing it went zombie |
| [08:58:49] | Demon_Fox: | I see two instances open |
| [08:59:28] | Demon_Fox: | works after I killed them. |
| [08:59:46] | Demon_Fox: | hopefully it can see the storage directories |
| [09:02:01] | Demon_Fox: | Hold on I will screen cast this and send it to you, if that is ok? |
| [09:02:17] | jarryd: | hm, why would it have trouble locating the libraries for a fresh compile |
| [09:07:33] | darkstarbyte: | http://pastebin.com/eWsRrHxN |
| [09:07:51] | darkstarbyte: | ready for upload if you want to see wagnerrp |
| [09:08:03] | darkstarbyte: | 7.5MB |
| [09:09:40] | darkstarbyte: | I wonder what the quality on it is? |
| [09:10:06] | darkstarbyte: | good |
| [09:12:34] | Demon_Fox: | I should have covered mythsetup also |
| [09:12:35] | Demon_Fox: | darn |
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| [09:18:10] | Demon_Fox: | until someone says something I will just start writing some C code for no reason. |
| [09:23:38] | Demon_Fox: | I have storage directories defined, but it insists on using /mnt/store/ |
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| [10:26:39] | morphjk: | hi everyone. I am having trouble connecting to my backend and now when I start the frontend I don't get the GUI |
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| [11:04:45] | morphjk: | okay this is weird. On both frontends starting mythtv from the command line shows heap of stuff (no errors that I can see) and then doesn't start the GUI. |
| [11:05:04] | morphjk: | And there is no logs |
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| [11:18:35] | morphjk: | anybody got any ideas re the above? |
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| [13:31:50] | faichele: | Hello! I've got a question regarding the startup/shutdown options for a master/slave-backend setup. After some research, I was unable to come up with a working setup where the master backend is running 24/7 (without an active mythfrontend), and is only supposed to shutdown the slave backend(s) when these are idle. |
| [13:32:16] | faichele: | Is this supported at all? |
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| [15:07:17] | disputin: | recently I started experiencing problems with my mythbackend process where it would stop responding. The only thing that would stop it was kill −9. Then starting it again was not effective. I would have to reboot the server to start mythbackend again. This would happen anywhere from every 4–24 hours. I reverted to version 2:0.25.3+fixes.20121124.76d9c3e and the problem has stopped. I wasn't smart enough to copy these .deb files somewhere else and |
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| [15:19:40] | cocoa117: | for scheduling recordings, there are single, find one, week slot, time slot, channel, which one is generally considered for recording tv series? e.g. on universal HD, it play two episodes per day, and repeat some of them sometimes, how can i make sure i record each episode? |
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| [15:38:25] | dekarl: | cocoa117: I use "record all" with duplicate matching (subtitle then description). no idea if that works well in the UK |
| [15:39:52] | cocoa117: | dekarl, does the mythtv scheduler use episode information from XMLTV? e.g. s01e12, which is available in xmltv |
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| [15:43:34] | cocoa117: | if it don't use it, i guess it can't rename the episode file with that information |
| [15:46:12] | dekarl: | cocoa117: no, but it would support seriesid and programid if it was transported from atlas to mythtv... |
| [15:47:49] | dekarl: | cocoa117: a recording will the episode/series number via thetvdb lookup eventualy. (may be different from that in the UK guide) you can likely rename the file with that id |
| [15:48:03] | cocoa117: | dekarl, from i know the atlas and xmltv is two different things right? u need key to access atlas database |
| [15:48:24] | dekarl: | well, it depends. |
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| [15:48:50] | dekarl: | the old RT API is without key. The key for the old RT data via the new API are given out freely. |
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| [15:49:15] | dekarl: | and xmltv has a grabber that downloads that data and converts it to xmltv spec |
| [15:49:49] | cocoa117: | dekarl, i want to do auto renaming with my script, so i can set and forget about it |
| [15:49:53] | cocoa117: | don't want to do it manually |
| [15:50:14] | dekarl: | what do you want to rename and why? |
| [15:50:59] | cocoa117: | dekarl, sorry, i haven't use mythtv, so don't know their naming scheme for the recording. can they name the recording to something like House.S02E12.ts |
| [15:51:07] | cocoa117: | is it automaitcally done? |
| [15:51:28] | cocoa117: | house is the title of the tv show |
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| [15:51:59] | cocoa117: | if that's how they do it, i can run my script to copy it to my server, and put it into right folder, so xbmc can auto scan it |
| [15:52:03] | cocoa117: | in frontend |
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| [15:55:20] | dekarl: | cocoa117: I see. a) the recording file name is internal to mythtv and not part of any kind of users interface (e.g. direct file access via xbmc) b) you can export recording to videos and give them a nice filename in the process (scripts are on the wiki) c) why not simply use the XBMC/MythTV/PVR Integration thing? |
| [15:57:43] | cocoa117: | dekarl, i c, well, yes, i am looking at xmbc/mythtv/pvr at the moment, but since i haven't used mythtv before, don't know if such automatic function already exit in it |
| [15:58:25] | dekarl: | for nice *recording* filenames to copy from, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl |
| [15:58:26] | dekarl: | for other scripts that move recordings to videos (with transcoding / renaming) see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:User_Job_Scripts |
| [15:59:45] | dekarl: | cocoa117: no, it does not yet exist and will likely never exist as a) it does not add anything to MythTV and b) the guide data is not of consistent high quality in most cases |
| [16:02:11] | cocoa117: | dekarl, yes, that's what i thought, please it should be easier to run this thing on mythtv backend, where most information should be available |
| [16:02:47] | cocoa117: | i guess i need to look at user job, which is basically a post-script in HTS turn |
| [16:02:49] | cocoa117: | term |
| [16:03:59] | dekarl: | cocoa117: that's what the various user job scripts do. collect metadata, apply the cut list, remove unwanted audio streams, apply video filters (e.g. deinterlace), change resolution, reencode to other formats and add the file to the video library |
| [16:05:20] | cocoa117: | dekarl, enn, cool, i still can't see the epiesode info though |
| [16:05:50] | cocoa117: | program title + episode should be enough for me |
| [16:05:53] | dekarl: | cocoa117: did you follow http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Enhancing_Recordin . . . adata_Lookup ? |
| [16:06:36] | dekarl: | that's what will eventually fill in the series/episode number if a match can be made by series title/id and episode title |
| [16:07:18] | cocoa117: | dekarl, great, i guess i have lots of homework to do, before asking any more questions, many thanx for the inside |
| [16:07:40] | dekarl: | yw |
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| [16:46:33] | henkpoley: | Does a backend automatically plan EIT scanning time, or do you have to wing it and say it needs to wait X minutes idle-time before it can shutdown in the hope that a full scan has been done ? |
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| [17:09:01] | stuartm: | there's really no such thing as a 'full scan', it's constantly receiving data and updating if there were changes, it's not something than runs for a pre-defined period of time and scans each channel in turn |
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| [17:13:52] | stuartm: | so to answer your question, you'd leave it idle for a period before/after recording – even so there's still a chance that you'd miss out on updates as they are going out in real time not on any sort of shedule |
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| [17:16:26] | stuartm: | the scanner spends 5 minutes on each mux, for a satellite source with ~100 muxes that's 8 hours (assuming a single tuner) to ensure you've updated every channel, although as noted this data may already be out of date before you've completed |
| [17:18:09] | stuartm: | EIT data isn't a great mix with a backend that's going to spend hours and even days offline |
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| [17:20:18] | stuartm: | depending on your network, it can also be gathering EIT data while recording for channels on other muxes, that's the case in the UK for example |
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| [17:49:35] | Demon_Fox: | When you make cut scenes, does it cut the two frames you mark in addition to the ones in between? |
| [17:51:54] | Demon_Fox: | Also what does it mean when it can't find a file for conversion with the extension .tmp, because I see the normal files and it wants it with that .tmp |
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| [19:02:27] | henkpoley: | stuartm: I have a 'cable' source with 35 transports. Myth usually kept itself up to date within the 4 days of EPG data that's sent around here. |
| [19:04:48] | stuartm: | with just 4 days it takes less time to see a complete carousel, so the backend can move on faster |
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| [19:05:21] | stuartm: | but the time to do that isn't easily quantifiable, you may just have to experiment |
| [19:06:48] | henkpoley: | After removing myth welcome I set the timeout really short (myth just now shutdown before it even started recording ;)) |
| [19:06:56] | henkpoley: | I've set the old values back for now |
| [19:10:14] | Demon_Fox: | Anyone have transcoding issues after manually cutting a file? |
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| [19:51:28] | wagnerrp: | manually cutting? like with `dd`? |
| [19:51:33] | wagnerrp: | it screws up the timecodes in files |
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| [20:20:37] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: you had me scared for a moment there |
| [20:20:49] | wagnerrp: | all kinds of edits on different pages usually means spam i need to clean up |
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| [20:51:14] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: is there a trick to clean up the recent changes to not show all the spam actions? Every now and then I take a look at the changes but I find it hard to find "real changes" |
| [20:51:52] | wagnerrp: | not without some amount of programming |
| [20:53:43] | dekarl: | :( |
| [20:54:33] | dekarl: | tgm4883: I was just looking at mythnettv. Are you still using it? I'm wondering if switching to managementboy's fork makes sense, as that appears to be the only maintained version now. |
| [20:54:46] | dekarl: | asking you as you |
| [20:54:53] | tgm4883: | dekarl, I haven't used that in quite a while |
| [20:55:21] | tgm4883: | I haven't looked at his fork either |
| [20:55:46] | dekarl: | asking you as you are listed as project administrator over at launchpad and likely can update the PPA :) |
| [20:56:01] | tgm4883: | I could update that PPA |
| [20:56:20] | tgm4883: | although I'd rather hand it off to someone who actually uses the software |
| [20:57:42] | dekarl: | chicken vs. egg, I wanted to try it out via the PPA. I'll just put it on "the list". |
| [20:58:00] | tgm4883: | dekarl, link to the fork? |
| [20:59:48] | dekarl: | tgm4883: https://github.com/managementboy/mntv via http://elkin.de/pivot/archive.php?c=elkin-wide&w=elkin-wide (just noticed that elkin had a PPA for his MythTV fork ;) |
| [21:01:25] | tgm4883: | yea doesn't look much different |
| [21:01:31] | tgm4883: | if he has a PPA, i'd say use that |
| [21:03:54] | dekarl: | the PPA does not contain mythnettv :) I'll just go the manual route |
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| [21:14:00] | justinh: | huh? there's another fork of mythtv? |
| [21:14:14] | wagnerrp: | there's a couple dozen on github |
| [21:14:21] | wagnerrp: | none of them have more than a handful of patches |
| [21:14:54] | justinh: | what on Earth for? |
| [21:15:14] | wagnerrp: | so they can track their own custom patches |
| [21:15:48] | justinh: | fair nuff, I suppose |
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| [21:20:46] | wagnerrp: | justinh: don't think of them like real forks, like linuxmce, or torc before they decided to rewrite |
| [21:20:57] | wagnerrp: | more like branches outside the official tree |
| [21:22:00] | justinh: | heh yeah I think fork might have been the wrong word for git to use |
| [21:22:19] | justinh: | but it's a better word than a 32 character hex number |
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| [21:30:51] | wagnerrp: | 40 |
| [21:30:59] | justinh: | or 40. lol |
| [21:31:15] | justinh: | ooo hey, I may be the owner of a very small low powered computing device tomorrow |
| [21:31:48] | stuartm: | fruit flavoured? |
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| [21:34:36] | justinh: | yup |
| [21:34:51] | justinh: | with USB driven network interface. Wooohooo |
| [21:35:23] | justinh: | I have it on very good authority that their network stack is a steaming pile of poo.. and that's rich, considering it's come from the bloke who writes the network stack at work |
| [21:44:26] | justinh: | I'm guessing it *might* be ok for use as a network audio player. if the PWM audio output isn't too crackly |
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| [21:51:04] | KaZeR: | hi there. |
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| [21:51:36] | KaZeR: | i wanted to try 0.26, i started on a fresh box with an empty database, but i can't get channels to be inserted in my database |
| [21:51:48] | wagnerrp: | what type of tuner? |
| [21:52:03] | KaZeR: | dvb-s2 (a dual tuner pci-x card) |
| [21:52:23] | KaZeR: | when scanning, it finds hundreds of channels, but nothing gets inserted in the channel table |
| [21:53:41] | KaZeR: | i really don't understand what i'm doing wrong |
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| [21:58:12] | KaZeR: | in fact i have no transports in the database. i usually import a channel.conf |
| [21:58:23] | KaZeR: | how are the transports supposed to be inserted at first? |
| [21:58:33] | wagnerrp: | by scanning |
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| [21:59:48] | KaZeR: | i can't scan all transports (failed to acquire transport) and i can't scan a single transport, since none is defined |
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| [22:01:19] | KaZeR: | i can scan using dvbscan, it works fine |
| [22:02:59] | KaZeR: | ah, looking back in mythtv-setup logs i saw that : |
| [22:03:27] | KaZeR: | Unable to execute statement : Column sistandard cannot be null |
| [22:06:45] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: why is it that the metadata stuff can often confuse TV for movies given a various inetref? |
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| [22:27:25] | stuartm: | skd5aner: collisions, we don't prepend a source identifier to the inetref e.g. TMDB_12345, so 12345 can match entries on both TMDB, TVDB or any other source |
| [22:27:58] | skd5aner: | stuartm: yea, but there are tons of overlaps... why does it do it sometimes, and other's it gets it right? |
| [22:28:25] | skd5aner: | it seems like there's got to be some form of logic to guess? I mean, both tmdb and ttvdb use basically the same scheme for IDs |
| [22:28:28] | stuartm: | skd5aner: depends where it looks first, it tries to identify TV series by the presence of series/episode info |
| [22:29:04] | stuartm: | failing that it assumes it's a film and will do the lookup on TMDB instead |
| [22:29:30] | stuartm: | there is a design flaw ;) |
| [22:31:47] | skd5aner: | Well, I've got a few shows that regularly assume it's a movie... I think Sportscenter is one, and Conan |
| [22:32:35] | skd5aner: | and then I have other shows, for example the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, which it apparently didn't look anything up automatically... so when I went in to the rule and manually looked – it assumed it was a movie and only returned tmdb results |
| [22:33:08] | skd5aner: | I just didn't know if people had as bad of luck as I did with metadata... I'd say it's 60/40 at best |
| [22:33:24] | skd5aner: | 60 percent it gets ok, 40 percent it either gets wrong or doesn't get at all |
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| [22:33:35] | skd5aner: | I never understand if it's actually working right |
| [22:35:51] | stuartm: | skd5aner: oh it's definitely hit and miss for others, I'd say it needs some work doing |
| [22:36:34] | skd5aner: | stuartm: heh – ok, I thought that was the case – don't take this as anything other than just a confirmation, I know you guys have plenty on your plate as it is ;) |
| [22:36:36] | stuartm: | for example it ignores some guide metadata when deciding if it's a TV series or film |
| [22:36:59] | dekarl: | skd5aner: somewhere its making a wrong guess about whether something is a tvshow or a movie... I found some fishy spots when I looked into it last year but nothing that fixed it :( |
| [22:37:05] | stuartm: | it's on the mythical list |
| [22:37:17] | skd5aner: | MythTODO |
| [22:37:39] | skd5aner: | the plugin that needs to get done to tell us what needs to get done... but isn't done. Patches welcome |
| [22:37:41] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [22:38:08] | stuartm: | I'd start by storing any series and episode number provided by the guide data and then using those to aid lookups |
| [22:38:14] | bill6502: | dekarl: You can bookmark Wiki Recent Changes like this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?namespace=2&in . . . ecentChanges . That hides 7 of 23 lines from today's list. |
| [22:38:20] | dekarl: | skd5aner: the list ( http://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/The_List ) |
| [22:39:53] | stuartm: | fixups of category too, so bad guide data that describes something as a movie but also gives it a subtitle/episode number gets changed to tvshow |
| [22:39:55] | dekarl: | bill6502: cool. but 1 of 7 is a false positive :( Just not showing user creation/blocks would do |
| [22:40:59] | stuartm: | partial matches on titles, so that Blade Runner (Director's Cut) returns Blade Runner as a possible match |
| [22:42:00] | stuartm: | although we may just be at the mercy of the source for most cases, we could try stuff like dropping anything in brackets from the title |
| [22:44:03] | stuartm: | War of the Worlds (2002) should be sent to tmdb as War of the Worlds and then the correct match found by comparing the years – there's plenty of very simple stuff that can be applied here |
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| [22:48:36] | skd5aner: | yea, supplimenting the lookup by leveraging what the guide data provides us would go a long way |
| [22:52:23] | dekarl: | If you're looking for more hints to use with metadatalookup, see http://xmltv.tvzon.se/xmltv/hd.tv3.se_2012-12-04.xml.gz or http://xmltv.tvzon.se/xmltv/drama.film.viasat . . . 12-05.xml.gz and notice the url element ;) |
| [22:54:26] | dekarl: | it gets filled by merging the raw guide with rules for matching to tmdb/tvdb (e.g. which series on which channel uses which system of episode numbers/titles) and only then performing a lookup |
| [22:58:09] | stuartm: | obviously there is an advantage if xmltv maintainers started providing ids as part of the guide data, matching source specific identifiers to their TMDB/TVDB equivalents |
| [22:58:26] | stuartm: | there would even be benefits for TMDB/TVDB since it would result in fewer searches from mythtv users |
| [22:59:58] | stuartm: | or we could do it ourselves via services, have users submit matches between uk_rt ids and an inetref/season/episode combo |
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| [23:00:35] | stuartm: | so many ideas, so little time |
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| [23:01:19] | dekarl: | aye, let tvbrainz match uk_rt/eit crids to their UUID... second step, create a hash of the EIT event and map that so everyone can enjoy great data |
| [23:02:49] | dekarl: | no need to reinvent a system for editing and moderating great data |
| [23:04:50] | stuartm: | but tvbrainz doesn't exist outside your mind yet :) |
| [23:07:14] | dekarl: | ahh, there's other minds where the concept is persisted already ;) |
| [23:07:56] | stuartm: | I don't mind what it's called, but having a more open third party in the middle would make a lot of interesting things possible – tmdb/tvdb are closed shops and don't seem interested in expanding beyond their current niches |
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| [23:09:54] | stuartm: | reasonable sources of artwork, but take tvdb's disc id stuff – poorly thought out, allows one disc id per series ignoring the fact that regional releases will each have different ids, and so will some boxsets differ from the single season releases |
| [23:10:57] | stuartm: | nor does it allow for DVD _and_ blu-ray (or HD-DVD, or VCD) |
| [23:11:00] | dekarl: | aye, fanart.tv went a nice way by attaching their stuff to existing identifiers instead of reinventing the wheel |
| [23:12:02] | dekarl: | you also want one episode to be able to be a member of two different series (aka backdoor pilot) |
| [23:13:06] | dekarl: | or relate movies and series (think stargate) instead of copying the data around (the tmdb movie being an episode of the specials season over at tvdb) |
| [23:13:08] | stuartm: | I would _love_ to have mythtv show artwork, proper title and description in the main menu for DVDs/Blu-ray, so instead of saying 'Play Optical Disc' it would offer 'Play "The Usual Suspects" Blu-ray' with an image of the poster alongside |
| [23:13:53] | dekarl: | don't Blurays bring the needed data with them? (Similar to game discs on consoles) |
| [23:14:12] | stuartm: | dekarl: sadly no, missed opportunity IMHO |
| [23:14:56] | dekarl: | crappy video, but the wii has it :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfkUf6-17KY |
| [23:15:40] | stuartm: | some titles include a low res artwork which might be displayed, but not the metadata |
| [23:17:19] | stuartm: | it was a bitter disappointment when I learned that it wasn't there, I felt sure that would be a no-brainer |
| [23:17:28] | dekarl: | now fanart.tv only needs to use formats that work well with hardware acceleration on small devices... (they use 1000x1000px when hardware likes 1kx1k better) |
| [23:18:25] | dekarl: | but lets not get into "preparing pictures for fast loading and rendering before caching them in the backend" now ;) |
| [23:19:03] | dekarl: | I have that on "the list" |
| [23:19:15] | stuartm: | less talking, more coding :) |
| [23:19:23] | Jonathan_: | Hi devinheitmuller. So you know your patch for the USB tuners was added to my linux kernels by my OS devs and appears to have fixed the issue. |
| [23:21:20] | dekarl: | stuartm: I'm trying... can't that debuild thing offer a "install the dependencies" option instead of just complaining that it knows what is missing? |
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| [23:43:45] | devinheitmueller: | Jonathan_: Ah, good to hear. |
| [23:43:59] | devinheitmueller: | We really should get that merged upstream. It's not even specific to USB devices. |
| [23:44:16] | devinheitmueller: | (it's a general race condition that just happened to have been reported by a user of a USB tuner) |
| [23:49:52] | Jonathan_: | Well my dev was more than happy to include it and saw no reason not to. |
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| [23:51:30] | Jonathan_: | he made this comment in the thread – I mailed the patch upstream so it might be included into 3.5.7.2 by Herton. Ben (linux32) and Greg (linux30, linux34, linux36) might folllow ... You user make Manjaro better. And we are not Archlinux. We want to be open and listen to our community. |
| [23:52:08] | Jonathan_: | and this is the thread http://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=1108.0 |
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| [23:57:43] | dekarl: | is this the "ioctl device not found in mythtv-setup" issue? |
| [23:58:43] | dekarl: | nvm, followed the links... so "FE_GET_INFO ioctl failed" is still not fixed :( |
| [23:59:19] | stuartm: | ! |
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