| Monday, December 3rd, 2012, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:08] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, slight correction. One would think that stock Ubuntu is Unity, which Mythbuntu doesn't use |
| [00:01:19] | tgm4883: | so more correct would be "Ubuntu based" |
| [00:23:14] | lapion: | does anyone know a lirc remote control detection tool/software? |
| [00:24:04] | [R]: | lapion: detection tool? |
| [00:27:48] | jm|laptop: | hello |
| [00:29:33] | jm|laptop: | I have an Onkyo amplifier. When I feed the amp from the Blu Ray it seems okay, but when I feed in my media box / mythfrontend 0.26 I seem to have audio sync issues. It seems to be around 60ms. Might it be that it's not reading a/v sync delay from the TS file? |
| [00:30:09] | jm|laptop: | Media box is nvidia ion[2?] hdmi audio and video |
| [00:31:00] | tonsofpcs: | jm|laptop: your onkyo system has a/v dely correction that tracks the input. Perhaps it is set differently or it is automagically handshaking with the bluray player |
| [00:31:11] | tonsofpcs: | (at least, if it's not the very bottom of the line version) |
| [00:32:11] | jm|laptop: | tonsofpcs: hi. I also have a new TV that feeds back DVB-S2 (freesat) and that syncs just fine too :/ |
| [00:32:27] | jm|laptop: | the Onkyo has a/v sync delay as does mythfrontend of course |
| [00:32:51] | jm|laptop: | the XBOX 360 seems to work just fine too – so I'm curious as to why I only have an issue with TV playback from Myth |
| [00:36:31] | jm|laptop: | Delay relative to video : -911ms |
| [00:36:34] | jm|laptop: | crikey |
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| [00:38:56] | tonsofpcs: | jm|laptop: probably something with the way it decodes or plays back, not sure. I'm new. But you can adjust it in your receiver so why not? |
| [00:41:21] | jm|laptop: | tonsofpcs: it doesn't seem to be the same for every programme :S |
| [00:41:43] | tonsofpcs: | hmm |
| [00:42:07] | tonsofpcs: | what is the source? |
| [00:42:27] | jm|laptop: | DVB-T2 |
| [00:43:09] | tonsofpcs: | there should be PTS on everything... are you transcoding? |
| [00:43:26] | jm|laptop: | no |
| [00:43:53] | tonsofpcs: | no idea then. I could give you a ton of troubleshooting steps but I don't know if they'd tell you anything :) |
| [00:43:56] | ** tonsofpcs is new ** | |
| [00:44:15] | tonsofpcs: | anyway, question for the folks that know: Any way I can get 0.26 on (ubuntu) lucid? |
| [00:46:28] | jm|laptop: | tonsofpcs: you could build it? |
| [00:46:40] | jm|laptop: | or there are PPCs iirc |
| [00:47:02] | jm|laptop: | PPA* |
| [00:47:21] | tonsofpcs: | ok, let me rephrase: any way that I can get 0.26 on lucid in a reasonable amouunt of time with minimal effort? I know that there's PPAs out there but the last comment I see on ubuntu forums is that 0.26 was hving lucid build issues in August |
| [00:49:37] | tonsofpcs: | I see https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/0.26 for example but no idea if it will work or if it will tank everything |
| [00:50:32] | tgm4883: | tonsofpcs, the build issues is because some dependencies aren't good enough on lucid |
| [00:50:48] | tgm4883: | so you could force mythtv 0.26 on there, but IDK if it would work or not |
| [00:51:12] | tgm4883: | alternatively, you could build it yourself without the extra stuff that has dependencies that don't match |
| [00:52:16] | tonsofpcs: | ok, opposite question then: can I 'roll back' the version in mythbuntu 12.04 to 0.23 to match? (I'm trying to use my existing always-on lucid machine as a backend and another machine starting from scratch as a frontend) |
| [00:52:42] | tonsofpcs: | ("This version of MythTV requires an updated database. (scheme is 45 versions behind)") |
| [00:52:55] | tonsofpcs: | *schema |
| [00:54:17] | tgm4883: | tonsofpcs, you could force an old version on there |
| [00:54:53] | tgm4883: | again, may not work as it's not built against the new libraries |
| [00:55:17] | tgm4883: | tonsofpcs, you could upgrade lucid to 0.25, which is the same version that 12.04 has |
| [00:55:46] | tonsofpcs: | *grumbles about static links and dynamic links and major changes in libraries* |
| [00:55:55] | tonsofpcs: | tgm4883: where might I acquire that? |
| [00:56:05] | tgm4883: | https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/0.25 |
| [01:12:26] | tonsofpcs: | 2012-12–02 20:11:55.037381 E Unrecognized video database schema version. Unable to upgrade database. |
| [01:12:30] | tonsofpcs: | 2012-12–02 20:11:55.037397 E Please see mythplugins/mythvideo/README.database for more information. |
| [01:12:33] | tonsofpcs: | :( |
| [01:14:39] | jm|laptop: | tonsofpcs: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /331349.html |
| [01:14:55] | jm|laptop: | do you even use mythvideo? |
| [01:15:33] | tonsofpcs: | I tried it once years ago. Is there a way I can just wipe out all the DBs and start anew without getting into sql hackery? |
| [01:15:51] | tonsofpcs: | It took me 15 minutes to set up 0.23, I doubt 0.25 would take much longer... |
| [01:16:01] | jm|laptop: | Danger Will Robinson |
| [01:16:11] | jm|laptop: | have you watched everything? :) |
| [01:16:25] | tonsofpcs: | I have three shows recorded and they were all tests. |
| [01:16:36] | tonsofpcs: | (well, three plus a 5 minute recording of each channel) |
| [01:17:33] | jm|laptop: | well, day 1 you didn't have a database. I daresay removing the database would make it behave like that again, and you'd have to re-add everything, tuners, keymapping, sources etc. etc. etc. |
| [01:18:07] | tonsofpcs: | yea, like I said that's easy :) I just don't want to be fighting with mysql for an hour and a half to make that happen |
| [01:19:17] | jm|laptop: | well "DROP DATABASE" is the mysql statement. But I don't have the balls to tell you that in #mythtv-users |
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| [01:20:30] | tonsofpcs: | well, do I want to drop the database or can I just drop the tables that it's upset with or? |
| [01:20:56] | tonsofpcs: | (is there a mythtv-setup magical command parameter that tells it to rebuild from scratch? |
| [01:21:13] | jm|laptop: | I would try what that link I gave you says, first |
| [01:21:19] | jm|laptop: | I had similar problems upgrading with mythvideo |
| [01:21:50] | jm|laptop: | backup database first etc. etc. |
| [01:21:58] | jm|laptop: | my advice comes AS IS with NO WARRANTY |
| [01:22:05] | jm|laptop: | :) |
| [01:22:21] | tonsofpcs: | that suggests that I have a pre-update backup... I don't. I only have the one that it just made of the database that it didn't touch because it didn't like it. |
| [01:22:39] | tonsofpcs: | oh, wait |
| [01:22:45] | tonsofpcs: | "mythconverg_restore.pl --drop_database " haha :) |
| [01:23:58] | jm|laptop: | o.O |
| [01:24:26] | tonsofpcs: | (ok, i'll try the table dropping command first) |
| [01:25:58] | tonsofpcs: | the table dropping command ("copy and paste this" starting with cat) seems to have done the trick :) |
| [01:26:02] | tonsofpcs: | cheers :) |
| [01:26:22] | jm|laptop: | phew |
| [01:29:27] | tonsofpcs: | it's not as fun but :) |
| [01:30:02] | tonsofpcs: | now I need to restart my mythbuntu machine because it grabbed a DHCP address that's in my ultra-throttled guest range :) |
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| [01:47:14] | tonsofpcs: | so, nVidia GT240, do I want OpenGL HQ or just HQ for a playback profile? |
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| [02:12:00] | ertyu-m: | you want VDPAU something |
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| [03:59:37] | neon__: | does mythtv support leadtek pvr2000 ? |
| [04:00:57] | [R]: | mythtv supports anything that the linux v4l/dvb api supports |
| [04:01:22] | neon__: | ok |
| [04:01:35] | neon__: | what does the v4l/dvb api supports? |
| [04:01:40] | [R]: | linuxtv.org |
| [04:04:08] | neon__: | how do I find if my kiernel is compiled with whatever it needs? |
| [04:05:10] | [R]: | are you using a sane dist? |
| [04:05:43] | neon__: | debian squeeze |
| [04:06:41] | neon__: | I did lsmod, I see a few cx88xx |
| [04:06:50] | neon__: | but no cx88-dvb |
| [04:07:26] | [R]: | squeeze should have everything you need |
| [04:08:18] | neon__: | i get : |
| [04:08:21] | neon__: | Could not get inputs for the capturecard. |
| [04:08:22] | neon__: | Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video |
| [04:08:22] | neon__: | sources to your card's inputs? |
| [04:08:35] | [R]: | sounsd like you didnt follow the instructions |
| [04:09:02] | ** neon__ hate instructions ** | |
| [04:09:09] | neon__: | :( |
| [04:09:28] | [R]: | that seems unfortunate |
| [04:09:53] | neon__: | which instructions btw? |
| [04:10:12] | [R]: | the mythtv instrutcions |
| [04:10:17] | [R]: | tells you exactly hwo to set it up |
| [04:10:41] | neon__: | where are they? |
| [04:11:27] | [R]: | on the website |
| [04:11:29] | [R]: | on the wiki |
| [04:14:24] | neon__: | i don't want to read that |
| [04:14:32] | neon__: | its very long |
| [04:14:36] | neon__: | and my eyes hurt |
| [04:14:43] | [R]: | that seems quite unfortunate |
| [04:14:50] | [R]: | you could just wave your hands |
| [04:14:57] | [R]: | and hope it magically works |
| [04:17:23] | neon__: | I'll just leave it again |
| [04:25:24] | skd5aner: | neon__: sorry, we can't do 100% of the work for you... This is the way life is, sometimes you have to read things, and do things yourself |
| [04:25:44] | skd5aner: | I sent you the link to the full documentation, as well as the documentation on the wiki |
| [04:25:53] | skd5aner: | you can google specific message and see what comes up |
| [04:26:13] | skd5aner: | the internet makes things easy – but the internet can't run your life simply because you don't want to |
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| [04:28:10] | skd5aner: | I will give you the fact that mythtv isn't dead simple, and the instructions, holistically are long... but you can easily look for the section you need and follow those directions |
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| [04:28:27] | skd5aner: | and... good riddens |
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| [08:41:11] | justinh: | wouldn't wanna try the pvr2000 card. I had one. It sucked & just wouldn't work in Windows properly let alone in loonix |
| [08:42:01] | justinh: | I bought it cheap, brand new from Ebay.... and ultimately went out & got a pvr150 instead. which I later sold for more than I bought it for |
| [08:42:01] | wagnerrp: | just about anything with "2000" in the name, that didn't actually come out in the year 2000, should be avoided |
| [08:42:24] | justinh: | actually made up for the money I lost buying the crappy pvr2000 card |
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| [08:42:59] | justinh: | the framegrabber section of the '2000' card worked 'fine' but getting it to grab mpeg2 was a BSOD issue |
| [08:43:59] | justinh: | in linux I managed to make it produce an mpeg stream a few times, but there was no input switching, and its matrix was set to an unconnected input by default. Or something |
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| [08:48:34] | justinh: | I guess the guy could have saved himself some bother if he'd only taken the trouble to read the V4L wiki ;-) |
| [09:21:55] | henkpoley: | Where is the option to disable that video post-stamp in the EPG ? |
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| [09:52:36] | lwizardl: | hello |
| [09:54:27] | henkpoley: | hell lwizardl |
| [09:54:31] | henkpoley: | hello even :P |
| [09:55:03] | lwizardl: | what would be the most supported card that supports HD from Component Video sources? |
| [09:55:12] | wagnerrp: | HDPVR |
| [09:55:22] | wagnerrp: | and by "most", it's really "only" |
| [09:55:54] | lwizardl: | I have bought too many cards in the past and been unable to get them work so if I am going to buy another one I was wanting basically supported by default :) |
| [09:56:02] | lwizardl: | k |
| [09:56:24] | wagnerrp: | and by "card", it's really "external usb device" |
| [09:56:44] | wagnerrp: | you should only need to do analog capture for your premium channels |
| [09:56:59] | wagnerrp: | for everything else, grab a cablecard tuner and capture digitally |
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| [09:57:33] | henkpoley: | lwizardl : For HD recording on USB devices :: One device per bus :: watch this with lsusb -t |
| [09:57:38] | waxhead__: | omg... myth just isn't deleting recordings! |
| [09:58:03] | henkpoley: | waxhead_: you can set the backend to keep deleted recordings for a while |
| [09:58:19] | henkpoley: | waxhead_: also 'slow delete' can take a while |
| [09:58:22] | wagnerrp: | mythtv no longer deletes when you tell it to delete |
| [09:58:30] | wagnerrp: | it marks it for deletion |
| [09:58:41] | waxhead__: | problem is the recordings disk is 100% full |
| [09:58:42] | henkpoley: | Garbage collection style |
| [09:58:44] | wagnerrp: | and the file is then culled during the next run of the autoexpirer |
| [09:58:59] | wagnerrp: | which runs at minimum every 15 minutes |
| [09:59:17] | waxhead__: | darn.. home much of this is due to stupidly renaming the front/back end ? |
| [09:59:37] | waxhead__: | hostname stayed the same, I changed the identifier in the front end |
| [09:59:53] | wagnerrp: | and the backend? |
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| [10:00:05] | wagnerrp: | as long as the backend is on the same identifier, it shouldn't be a problem |
| [10:00:12] | henkpoley: | stupid renaming ? |
| [10:00:25] | waxhead: | I"ll check the backend name then.. |
| [10:00:45] | wagnerrp: | lwizardl: as a comcast user, everything but your premium channels should be available 'copy freely' through a cablecard tuner |
| [10:00:48] | waxhead: | henkpoley, my mistake after upgrading the OS to 64 bit I sort of went through and changed a few things by mistake... |
| [10:00:56] | waxhead: | when reconfiguring the setup |
| [10:01:01] | henkpoley: | if the master backend IP in mythtv-setup is the same as the IP it's running on it should detect it's the master |
| [10:01:08] | wagnerrp: | the premiums will be copy protected, and a cablecard tuner will thus not allow mythtv access to it, requiring analog capture |
| [10:01:48] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, yeah I am a comcast subscriber. |
| [10:02:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah, your signon message said as much |
| [10:02:31] | lwizardl: | yeah the only issue with cablecard only tuner (say a PCI cablecard) it will not allow me to access the OnDemand. |
| [10:02:44] | wagnerrp: | well neither will analog capture |
| [10:02:49] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesn't do on demand content |
| [10:03:01] | wagnerrp: | only scheduled television |
| [10:03:27] | lwizardl: | but does mythtv allow for manual recordings |
| [10:03:39] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [10:03:47] | lwizardl: | ie record from 2am to 4am on Tuner1 |
| [10:04:07] | lwizardl: | then that is what I do on my current DVR so not an issue |
| [10:04:26] | wagnerrp: | but it has no mechanism to navigate through on screen menus on your cable box to start playback of the on-demand content |
| [10:04:30] | waxhead: | where do you set the backend identifier? |
| [10:04:41] | waxhead: | I couldn't see it in the settings... :-/ |
| [10:04:42] | wagnerrp: | same place you set the frontend |
| [10:04:47] | wagnerrp: | ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [10:05:16] | wagnerrp: | the default identifier is the hostname |
| [10:05:25] | wagnerrp: | that file contains a line for an optional override |
| [10:05:47] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, same with my current DVR (ReplayTV) I have to manually select everything with the comcast remote. start the recording and then start the video from onDemand |
| [10:05:48] | wagnerrp: | if both your frontend and backend are running as the same user, and reading off that same file, they will both be using that custom identifier |
| [10:06:07] | wagnerrp: | lwizardl: well that's a horrid mess... |
| [10:06:10] | waxhead: | oh.. so I need to put the same name I have for the frontend in there? |
| [10:06:31] | waxhead: | the problem is, the IP resovles to mediacentre, but the fe is called myth-main |
| [10:06:58] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, yeah but atleast it works. clunky yes for sure |
| [10:07:01] | wagnerrp: | the problem is, you changed the name your backend uses to index its settings and recordings |
| [10:07:03] | waxhead: | the auto expire can see that it needs a minumum of 102 gig, but there isn't any free space on the disk at all |
| [10:07:16] | wagnerrp: | so now the old recordings are indexed to a backend that no longer exists |
| [10:07:21] | lwizardl: | and the 3 second delay sucks on it |
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| [10:07:28] | wagnerrp: | and it's trying to delete recordings on a machine it cannot access |
| [10:07:32] | henkpoley: | The frontend name doesn't matter in deleting recordings |
| [10:07:33] | waxhead: | wagnerrp, right... |
| [10:07:41] | wagnerrp: | so why did you do that? |
| [10:08:09] | waxhead: | wagnerrp, it wasn't my intention to do something so stupid... |
| [10:08:42] | wagnerrp: | so delete that line, and restart mythbackend |
| [10:08:49] | henkpoley: | you should be able to go in the database and rename the owner backend of the recording files |
| [10:09:53] | waxhead: | hang on.. the config.xml makes no reference to any identifiers. The only place I changed the name was in the FE to myth-main |
| [10:09:57] | waxhead: | <MediaRenderer>f39a24e0-d35e-42e3-ae2a-27813640483e</MediaRenderer> |
| [10:10:05] | wagnerrp: | there is an option in the backup/restore script to migrate all your settings and files to the new identifier |
| [10:10:24] | wagnerrp: | but since you already have settings stored under the new identifier, that is not an option |
| [10:10:44] | waxhead: | so it's not the mediarenderer is it? |
| [10:10:54] | wagnerrp: | "<LocalHostName>my-unique-identifier-goes-here</LocalHostName>& quot; |
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| [10:12:42] | waxhead: | Do I add it in as myth-main like the FE or leave it out? |
| [10:12:56] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [10:13:31] | wagnerrp: | there is really very little reason you should be tinkering with that option |
| [10:13:42] | waxhead: | wagnerrp, ok.. then I won't touch it... |
| [10:13:52] | wagnerrp: | it's not a name to be used for cosmetic reasons |
| [10:14:06] | wagnerrp: | it is a name to be used to allow multiple sets of settings to be used on a single system |
| [10:14:10] | waxhead: | so I'm gathering it's not so straightfoward to correct this mistaken name change? |
| [10:14:17] | wagnerrp: | such as two separate instances of mythfrontend |
| [10:14:39] | wagnerrp: | remove the setting from your config.xml, and go back to just using the system hostname |
| [10:14:43] | waxhead: | wagnerrp, sure.. I figured that, as I have/had more than one frontend setup around the house |
| [10:15:00] | waxhead: | config.xml doesn't have any reference to a localhostname |
| [10:15:10] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [10:15:21] | waxhead: | the only name I changed was in the myth frontend when I rebuilt the FE/BE server |
| [10:15:25] | waxhead: | 0.25 |
| [10:15:41] | wagnerrp: | that option existed in mysql.txt in 0.25 and previous |
| [10:15:56] | waxhead: | I coulnd't remember what I'd set the FE name to, so called it myth-main |
| [10:15:59] | wagnerrp: | this is a combined frontend/backend? |
| [10:16:13] | waxhead: | rather than mediacentre, which I'd named the server itself |
| [10:16:21] | waxhead: | wagnerrp, yes it is. |
| [10:16:36] | wagnerrp: | and frontend and backend run using the same user account? |
| [10:16:41] | waxhead: | yes |
| [10:16:55] | wagnerrp: | then both frontend and backend use the same directory as ${HOME} |
| [10:17:08] | waxhead: | yes |
| [10:17:10] | wagnerrp: | and they're both using the same custom identifier pulled from the same ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [10:17:23] | henkpoley: | As cars I know the backend gets its name (by default) from the hostname |
| [10:17:35] | wagnerrp: | if you change it in the frontend, you change it for every single mythtv application running off that file |
| [10:18:10] | wagnerrp: | it is not a setting specific to the frontend only |
| [10:18:58] | waxhead: | wagnerrp, right |
| [10:19:29] | waxhead: | still, localhostname isn't showing up in the xml flie |
| [10:19:41] | waxhead: | the one place I can change it is in the FE settings |
| [10:20:02] | wagnerrp: | yes yes yes... because you're running 0.25, before that option was moved from mysql.txt to config.xml |
| [10:20:09] | wagnerrp: | in 0.25 and previous, it is in mysql.txt |
| [10:20:19] | wagnerrp: | in 0.26 and later, it is in config.xml |
| [10:20:24] | waxhead: | OH! |
| [10:20:26] | waxhead: | sorry... |
| [10:20:35] | waxhead: | so mysql.txt is where I should be looking? |
| [10:20:41] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [10:21:03] | waxhead: | sorry... |
| [10:21:05] | waxhead: | got it now |
| [10:21:17] | waxhead: | should I remove it or will that cause other problems? |
| [10:21:32] | wagnerrp: | go ahead and remove that line |
| [10:21:48] | henkpoley: | Not, put a # in front of it ? |
| [10:21:52] | wagnerrp: | note that will in turn orphan any recordings made after making that change |
| [10:22:21] | waxhead: | isn't that just causing the same problem I have now? |
| [10:22:32] | wagnerrp: | pretty much |
| [10:22:47] | wagnerrp: | and then you're going to have to go into the recorded table, and manually update the hostname of those recordings |
| [10:23:25] | waxhead: | hang on... |
| [10:23:43] | waxhead: | couldn't I simply create a CNAME of myth-main and point it back to the myth box? |
| [10:24:01] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not use DNS for name resolution |
| [10:24:04] | waxhead: | until such time that all the recordings are right? |
| [10:24:08] | waxhead: | oh. |
| [10:24:25] | waxhead: | OK, so couldn't I go into the recorded table and just change the old name to the new name? |
| [10:24:59] | wagnerrp: | you could, but you're going to have to fiddle one way or another... may as well do it on the default name |
| [10:25:00] | henkpoley: | (that's why mythtv 'requires' a static IP adres for the backend, even though it uses zeroconf/avahi) |
| [10:25:15] | wagnerrp: | unless you have some attachment to the new name |
| [10:25:28] | wagnerrp: | zeroconf/avahi is only ever used for initial autodetection |
| [10:25:46] | wagnerrp: | once it finds the backend, and the backend points it at the database, all further name resolution is performed through the database |
| [10:25:57] | waxhead: | no, no attachment... |
| [10:26:13] | waxhead: | and it's a static IP and has a DNS entry |
| [10:26:21] | wagnerrp: | just preference, one name versus the other |
| [10:26:42] | wagnerrp: | personally, i'd rather not mess with the custom identifier unless i had an explicit need to |
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| [10:26:48] | waxhead: | That's fine.. should I change the FE identifier too? |
| [10:26:53] | wagnerrp: | such as running two separate frontends on a single machine |
| [10:27:05] | wagnerrp: | there is no frontend identifier, there is only the identifier |
| [10:27:15] | wagnerrp: | frontend and backend both read off that same file |
| [10:27:24] | waxhead: | OK, so by removing the the localhostname I have to restart the FE and BE? |
| [10:27:30] | waxhead: | OK... |
| [10:27:35] | wagnerrp: | the option in the frontend that you are talking about, it stores that to the file |
| [10:27:45] | waxhead: | oh! |
| [10:27:48] | waxhead: | right.. |
| [10:27:57] | wagnerrp: | it's one of the few options mythtv stores in a file rather than the database |
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| [10:30:24] | waxhead: | bugger... |
| [10:30:41] | waxhead: | so no I have restarted the backend, the settings are broken... |
| [10:30:56] | waxhead: | at least the logs imply that as it can't find directories etc... |
| [10:30:57] | wagnerrp: | correct, because all the settings are stored off that identifier |
| [10:31:07] | wagnerrp: | different identifier, all new settings profile |
| [10:31:07] | waxhead: | bugger.. |
| [10:31:12] | waxhead: | so can it be fixed in the DB? |
| [10:31:23] | waxhead: | or do I have to now reset everything? |
| [10:31:41] | waxhead: | Oh... it's expiring a whole bunch of files... |
| [10:31:47] | wagnerrp: | it may be easier if you keep the modified identifier, rather than reverting to the\ hostname default |
| [10:32:47] | waxhead: | wagnerrp, I think so too... |
| [10:33:02] | waxhead: | back to what it was... |
| [10:33:10] | waxhead: | still not enough room left on the disk though... |
| [10:35:45] | waxhead: | so is there any doco that I can follow to do the clean up of the database? |
| [10:36:15] | wagnerrp: | clean up? |
| [10:36:49] | waxhead: | wagnerrp, yeah, to fixup this issue of the names for recorded files |
| [10:37:02] | waxhead: | ie change mediacentre to myth-main |
| [10:37:30] | wagnerrp: | other than changing the hostname defined for your old recordings? |
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| [10:38:11] | henkpoley: | waxhead: personally I'd install phpmyadmin and, login at http://myth-main/phpadmin/ and peek around the database a bit |
| [10:38:43] | henkpoley: | you might need to `sudo a2ensite phpmyadmin` before that works |
| [10:38:45] | waxhead: | wagnerrp, just the recordings for now |
| [10:38:57] | waxhead: | I'm actually OK with the sql stuff |
| [10:39:58] | henkpoley: | I suspect the owner-backend must be described in the 'recordings' table |
| [10:40:12] | wagnerrp: | or 'recorded', rather |
| [10:40:14] | henkpoley: | I don't have my backend running at the moment so hard to check |
| [10:40:17] | henkpoley: | :) |
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| [10:42:44] | morphjk: | Hello everyone. I'm setting up mythtv and in the backend setup I am getting Could not get card info for card /dev/dvb/adapter0 with my tuners |
| [10:42:55] | morphjk: | any idea on what the issue might be? |
| [10:43:01] | waxhead: | OK, so should I be fine to change the hostname in the recorded table? |
| [10:43:19] | wagnerrp: | not ideal, but no other way around it at the moment |
| [10:44:18] | waxhead: | OK.. I'll try that... |
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| [10:46:21] | henkpoley: | morphjk: what does `ls /dev/dvb/adapter0` say ? |
| [10:46:36] | wagnerrp: | ls -l would be better |
| [10:47:29] | henkpoley: | wagnerrp: in that case `ls -l /dev/dvb/adapter0 | pastebinit` would be even better :P |
| [10:47:39] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [10:47:47] | wagnerrp: | i'm going to bed |
| [10:47:53] | waxhead: | night wagnerrp |
| [10:47:59] | waxhead: | thanks for the assist |
| [10:48:51] | waxhead: | looks like the disk is freeing up again |
| [10:49:33] | henkpoley: | morphjk: otherwise: `dmesg | grep -i dvb` to see if there are any problems initializing the card(s) |
| [10:51:18] | morphjk: | standby for the link |
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| [10:52:39] | morphjk: | here is the link http://pastebin.com/xPiDQALA |
| [10:53:32] | morphjk: | it comes up sometimes if I scroll through the four tuners |
| [10:54:04] | henkpoley: | four tuners ? |
| [10:54:11] | morphjk: | two dual tuners |
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| [10:54:48] | henkpoley: | they show up as /dev/dvb/adapter0 to adapter3 ? |
| [10:55:04] | morphjk: | Yes I think that is correct |
| [10:55:05] | henkpoley: | your adapter0 has only one frontend |
| [10:55:35] | morphjk: | Not sure what you mean here. Sorry |
| [10:56:14] | henkpoley: | I meant to say that adapter0 certainly doesn't have multiple tuners in there :P |
| [10:57:34] | morphjk: | Here is the other output http://pastebin.com/p14Mn6DQ |
| [10:58:52] | henkpoley: | morphjk: those are HDTV USB devices ? |
| [11:00:08] | morphjk: | One is a PCI (Hauppauge Nova 500 which is classed as usb) and the other is PCI-e which is a Hauppauge HVR-2200 |
| [11:00:35] | henkpoley: | Ah, makes sense :) |
| [11:01:11] | henkpoley: | I had some trouble using two HDTV USB devices on a single usb "bus" (which means it shares data bandwidth) |
| [11:02:10] | morphjk: | I've previously had them both working in this machine before just did a new install today. |
| [11:02:39] | morphjk: | I'm not sure of the HVR-2200 is classed as USB device |
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| [11:03:39] | morphjk: | I did manage to set them up when I scrolled through until the came up right. But not sure if this will mean they are likely to fail still |
| [11:05:05] | henkpoley: | the last two lines in the dmesg output shows it dynamically loads the firmwware when needed |
| [11:05:24] | henkpoley: | so mythtv-setup is probably a bit too fast in deciding it's not there |
| [11:06:12] | morphjk: | Okay. Is there anyway to fix that? Or should it be okay? |
| [11:06:19] | henkpoley: | wether mythtv-backend will always work is a gamble (for me) |
| [11:06:38] | henkpoley: | It generally has large timeout (in the order of seconds) |
| [11:07:13] | morphjk: | So I should perhaps increase the timeout? |
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| [11:08:15] | henkpoley: | If it fails to record, yes/maybe :P |
| [11:09:26] | henkpoley: | watch the logs: `tail -f /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log` |
| [11:09:51] | henkpoley: | do some simultaneous liveTV & recordings |
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| [11:10:44] | morphjk: | this is the what the terminal displays after coming out of mythtv-setup http://pastebin.com/PAZSBiQf |
| [11:10:48] | henkpoley: | If it in generally works 'the second time' you could try adding one of the DVB utilities to your startup scripts to "warm up the device" |
| [11:11:30] | morphjk: | How do I do that? I would prefer to have them both warmed up |
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| [11:12:27] | henkpoley: | DiSEqCDevTree is for DVB-S, I wonder if that has anything to do with it |
| [11:12:36] | henkpoley: | Yours is DVB-T isn't it ? |
| [11:12:44] | morphjk: | Yes it is. |
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| [11:13:36] | henkpoley: | I don't remember if mythtv-setup has any way to specificy the DVB-C/T/S state though. Maybe it just tries everything. |
| [11:15:07] | morphjk: | Under setup it has Card Type: DVB DTV capture card (v3.x) |
| [11:16:32] | henkpoley: | The kernel interface for DVB/ATSC is generic anyways, no need for mythtv to have many different types |
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| [11:17:52] | henkpoley: | Maybe this is relevant: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /336211.html |
| [11:18:11] | henkpoley: | Linux 3.4 = problem, Linux 3.3 = no problem |
| [11:19:33] | morphjk: | Okay so I might have to use and older kernel? |
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| [11:20:40] | morphjk: | My kernel is 3.4.20–1 |
| [11:20:42] | henkpoley: | If it really is a problem. I've read reports in other places that besides the error message everything still works when recording. |
| [11:22:49] | morphjk: | I guess I won't know until I take the backend back into the garage and hook it up to antenna and try some test recordings. |
| [11:23:49] | henkpoley: | mythtv-setup should just work though. report the problem at http://code.mythtv.org/trac/newticket |
| [11:24:49] | henkpoley: | btw, after a fresh boot `lsdvb` reports all tuners ? |
| [11:25:47] | morphjk: | do you mean ls -l /dev/dvb? |
| [11:25:47] | henkpoley: | That should be an easy tool to look at for the mythtv devs to fix their detection problem |
| [11:25:50] | henkpoley: | no |
| [11:26:58] | morphjk: | I get command not found on that lsdvb |
| [11:27:08] | henkpoley: | lsdvb is sort of like lsubs and lspci, but for dvb |
| [11:27:25] | morphjk: | doesn't like it |
| [11:28:02] | henkpoley: | I never used it, but saw it mentioned. Arch Linux appears to install it with the `linuxtv-dvb-apps` packages. I'll look where other distros put it. |
| [11:28:32] | henkpoley: | under Ubuntu it in 'dvb-apps' |
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| [11:29:08] | morphjk: | I'm running arch. Just had to install it |
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| [11:29:36] | henkpoley: | It's really basic app that just lists all detected DVB devices. Sort o f what mythtv-setup must be doing. |
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| [11:30:14] | henkpoley: | If it can see everything after (a cold) boot, mythtv-setup must be able to do the same |
| [11:31:42] | morphjk: | Here is what I got: http://pastebin.com/2A1eQ0Hc |
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| [11:35:29] | henkpoley: | I've look at the lsdvb source code for a bit and it appears to do the correct thing. e.g. opening the devices for info, not grepping `dmesg` or the kernel console buffer directly or something |
| [11:36:18] | morphjk: | I guess the best bet is to get it to schedule some recordings with all four tuners and see what happens |
| [11:36:27] | henkpoley: | I'd mention this tool in your bugreport if I were you, so they can look at the source code |
| [11:36:54] | morphjk: | Will do. Thanks for the help |
| [11:38:15] | henkpoley: | Wouldn't be the first time mythtv did something different. My analog card always started muted with myth, while all other V4L apps did the correct thing and unmuted it :P |
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| [11:39:24] | henkpoley: | morphjk: btw all your devices are listed under usb by lsdvb |
| [11:39:24] | morphjk: | Problem is there is no other alternative to use at the moment. I only use it to record and use XBMC for my movies and saved TV shows |
| [11:40:03] | morphjk: | well there you go |
| [11:40:04] | henkpoley: | Only one way to find out if it works while recording |
| [11:40:19] | morphjk: | Yeah. Record |
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| [11:41:03] | henkpoley: | :) |
| [11:41:50] | morphjk: | Cheers for the help :-) |
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| [15:02:21] | IReboot: | Does mythtranscode work with HDPVR x264 encoded recordings? I read its wiki page and get the impression it only works with mpeg2 encoded video. |
| [15:06:55] | stuartm: | it only works with mpeg2 |
| [15:09:40] | IReboot: | stuartm: thanks |
| [15:11:40] | stuartm: | someone wrote a script to do lossless H.264 cutting, it was discussed on the -dev mailing list iirc |
| [15:13:04] | IReboot: | stuartm: The evil bastard that wrote that script is me;) |
| [15:13:30] | IReboot: | stuartm: I assume you are referring to "Lossless Cut" |
| [15:14:19] | stuartm: | no idea, sorry I hadn't been reading the thread just caught mentions of it |
| [15:15:45] | IReboot: | stuartm: np, I was only trying to be humorous |
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| [15:16:33] | tmkt: | Hey Hey..ever since upgrading to 0.26 my system doesn't seem to be deleting old files when the drive fills up, anyone experience this before? |
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| [15:18:09] | stuartm: | tmkt: are you running the latest -fixes? |
| [15:18:44] | stuartm: | there was an issue like that on systems with slave backends, but it's been fixed already |
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| [15:21:51] | tmkt: | stuartm: i'm on the newest mythbuntu version |
| [15:22:15] | stuartm: | tmkt: what does --version look like? |
| [15:22:15] | tmkt: | 2:0.26.0+fixes.20121202.ed7b577–0ubuntu0mythbuntu2 |
| [15:22:46] | tmkt: | MythTV Version : v0.26.0-51-ged7b577 |
| [15:22:46] | tmkt: | MythTV Branch : fixes/0.26 |
| [15:22:46] | tmkt: | Network Protocol : 75 |
| [15:22:46] | tmkt: | Library API : 0.26.20120822–1 |
| [15:23:12] | stuartm: | ok, not the same issue then :) |
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| [15:24:25] | tmkt: | could be...not sure when it was fixed |
| [15:24:36] | tmkt: | got back from the amazon re:invent thing on friday |
| [15:24:41] | tmkt: | and noticed the drive was full |
| [15:24:45] | tmkt: | so cleaned that up |
| [15:24:49] | tmkt: | and then did an update |
| [15:25:05] | tmkt: | when did the fix you mention get fixed? |
| [15:25:21] | stuartm: | mid-week I think |
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| [15:26:53] | stuartm: | Thursday |
| [15:27:02] | stuartm: | do you have a slave backend? |
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| [15:55:18] | tmkt: | stuartm: no..all one box |
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| [16:23:39] | xavierh: | how to set up a system event remotely, can it be done using mythweb ? |
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| [16:38:30] | wagnerrp: | can't, nope |
| [16:38:56] | wagnerrp: | you can tunnel X to a remote machine, but you're not going to want to do that any further than the local LAN |
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| [16:44:39] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: ahh, was out for a few days... what to eb said |
| [16:45:18] | wagnerrp: | just wondering if some german language email translated into something that would merit a ban |
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| [16:45:29] | wagnerrp: | already answered, something about some dating site |
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| [17:13:56] | xavierh: | wagnerrp: ta |
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| [18:07:19] | neon__: | can anyone help me without saying rtfm? |
| [18:08:21] | wagnerrp: | depends on what the question is |
| [18:09:33] | neon__: | i am trying to run mythtv, and I don't succeed |
| [18:09:51] | neon__: | I don't even see snow |
| [18:10:34] | neon__: | errors include: Could not get inputs for the capturecard. |
| [18:10:48] | neon__: | Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video |
| [18:10:59] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv-setup, steps 2–4 |
| [18:11:27] | wagnerrp: | identify your video capture hardware, create a video source to hold the channels, map that video source to one of the inputs on one of your card |
| [18:11:28] | wagnerrp: | ss |
| [18:11:50] | neon__: | i don't have a source here |
| [18:12:03] | wagnerrp: | you need a video source |
| [18:12:04] | neon__: | maybe an antena |
| [18:12:06] | wagnerrp: | the video source holds your channels |
| [18:12:25] | wagnerrp: | the video source can then be mapped to multiple inputs so you only need to define your channels once |
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| [18:13:30] | neon__: | I have winfast pvr2000 card, but it isn't connected to anything now |
| [18:14:05] | neon__: | I could connect it to a vcr or analog antena, but I don't have them here |
| [18:14:08] | wagnerrp: | i recall some discussion last night about the PVR2000 being all but nonfunctional on linux |
| [18:14:33] | neon__: | hmmm |
| [18:15:02] | neon__: | was it a recent discussion, or one from 2004? |
| [18:15:35] | wagnerrp: | last night was not 2004 |
| [18:15:56] | neon__: | I read some forum discussion from 2006 |
| [18:15:57] | wagnerrp: | justinh was saying he had one of those cards, tried getting it to work, and suffered nothing but failure |
| [18:16:23] | neon__: | which was similar to what u say |
| [18:16:32] | neon__: | but time passed, maybe new drivers |
| [18:16:35] | wagnerrp: | it's exactly why i said what i said |
| [18:16:39] | wagnerrp: | i was reiterating what he claimed |
| [18:16:57] | neon__: | k |
| [18:17:05] | wagnerrp: | drivers don't get better over time, especially ones for old uncommon cards with no digital support |
| [18:17:41] | neon__: | ok |
| [18:17:47] | wagnerrp: | are you trying to use one to capture off a Sky or other subscription box? |
| [18:17:49] | neon__: | so.. give up? |
| [18:18:08] | neon__: | a subscription box, through the rca |
| [18:18:25] | neon__: | but the computer is in an other room now |
| [18:18:31] | wagnerrp: | i would suggest picking up an old PVR-150 off ebay |
| [18:18:34] | neon__: | and I just want to see what I get |
| [18:19:09] | neon__: | I had a pvr-150, and I returned it to the merchent due to poor quality capture |
| [18:19:24] | neon__: | my pvr2000 capture quality was much better |
| [18:19:52] | neon__: | much ,much |
| [18:20:26] | neon__: | now, I don't know what to choose in this mythtv-setup |
| [18:20:41] | neon__: | i have analog v4l capture card |
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| [18:20:48] | neon__: | /dev/video0 |
| [18:21:06] | wagnerrp: | should have kept the PVR-150 and turned up the bitrate |
| [18:21:09] | neon__: | /dev/vbi0 |
| [18:21:26] | neon__: | I think I did all the tweaks |
| [18:21:46] | wagnerrp: | the default bitrate for the PVR-150 recorder profile is 2200kbps |
| [18:21:54] | wagnerrp: | the output looks like crap at that bitrate |
| [18:21:57] | neon__: | it had something that the whole picture shifted sideways |
| [18:22:02] | wagnerrp: | i usually ran three times that on mine |
| [18:22:26] | wagnerrp: | you said this is a long cable between the PC and cable box? |
| [18:22:49] | neon__: | no |
| [18:22:55] | neon__: | i am now in an other room |
| [18:23:08] | neon__: | I don't have a cable to get connected to the box |
| [18:23:16] | wagnerrp: | then what are you trying to capture? |
| [18:23:31] | neon__: | tv snow |
| [18:23:47] | neon__: | scan for air channels |
| [18:23:49] | neon__: | whatever |
| [18:23:55] | neon__: | I just want to set it up |
| [18:23:55] | wagnerrp: | it may simply be refusing any output, because it recognizes it has no signal |
| [18:24:12] | wagnerrp: | what country are you in? |
| [18:24:21] | neon__: | israel |
| [18:24:36] | wagnerrp: | i don't know off hand what their TV configuration is |
| [18:24:45] | wagnerrp: | at least over here, there are no analog channels to be had |
| [18:24:49] | wagnerrp: | it's all digital |
| [18:25:05] | neon__: | here too |
| [18:25:14] | wagnerrp: | then there would be nothing to capture |
| [18:25:28] | neon__: | there is always static, no? |
| [18:25:35] | wagnerrp: | and as mentioned, the encoder might be doing something smart, and refusing to record static |
| [18:25:40] | neon__: | background radiation |
| [18:25:56] | neon__: | aha |
| [18:26:03] | neon__: | well |
| [18:26:13] | neon__: | in the other room, there is no internet reception |
| [18:26:29] | neon__: | so, it is either internet or cable box |
| [18:26:42] | wagnerrp: | move the cable box in with the PC |
| [18:26:56] | neon__: | no outlet |
| [18:27:04] | wagnerrp: | mythtv expects dedicated control over any hardware it is told to use |
| [18:27:18] | wagnerrp: | so if you're using the cable box with mythtv, you shouldn't be using it directly |
| [18:27:33] | neon__: | ??? |
| [18:27:48] | neon__: | directly? |
| [18:28:14] | wagnerrp: | as in, you give mythtv an IR blaster and a script to allow it to change channels on the cable box |
| [18:28:22] | wagnerrp: | and the cable box becomes an external tuner for mythtv and your capture card |
| [18:28:44] | wagnerrp: | manual use of the cable box directly with the TV would potentially interfere with mythtv trying to record off of it |
| [18:28:51] | neon__: | i dont have a blaster |
| [18:29:06] | wagnerrp: | mythtv needs some way to change the channels |
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| [18:29:18] | wagnerrp: | some can use serial or firewire |
| [18:30:08] | wagnerrp: | mythtv isn't intended to blindly capture whatever is coming in off the card |
| [18:30:11] | neon__: | i wouldn't bet on that |
| [18:30:20] | neon__: | so, if no blaster, mythtv won't work? |
| [18:30:33] | wagnerrp: | it is designed as a DVR, where you give it rules you want it to follow, and it records according to those rules |
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| [18:30:42] | wagnerrp: | such as... "record all of this show" |
| [18:30:55] | wagnerrp: | it can't really do that unless it can change the channels on the tuner |
| [18:31:09] | wagnerrp: | you can get mythtv to work with only one channel |
| [18:31:17] | wagnerrp: | but it's really just a waste of a whole lot of effort |
| [18:31:27] | neon__: | how about just record when I press a record button, and stop when I press stop, like an old vcr? |
| [18:31:31] | henkpoley: | neon__: If you don't set up a blaster mythtv will still go through the motions |
| [18:31:37] | wagnerrp: | just use an old VCR |
| [18:31:52] | henkpoley: | neon__: you just need to do the channel changing for mythtv :P |
| [18:32:20] | henkpoley: | I wouldn't use it like that though.. |
| [18:35:15] | henkpoley: | neon__: In israel 18 channels are available "free to air" over DVB-T, you can watch those without decoder/CAM/smartcard |
| [18:35:38] | henkpoley: | neon__: You'll probably need different hardware though |
| [18:35:43] | wagnerrp: | so the easiest option would be to pick up some DVB-T tuner and an antenna |
| [18:35:58] | wagnerrp: | with any luck, you'll have halfway decent EIT data |
| [18:36:11] | neon__: | I will get the cables to bring me an other box, if it would be worth it |
| [18:36:37] | neon__: | can mythtv stream to other computer? |
| [18:37:02] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is network transparent, yes |
| [18:37:04] | henkpoley: | neon__: yes, it's called 'remote frontend' on the wiki |
| [18:37:09] | wagnerrp: | the frontend plays, the backend records |
| [18:37:15] | wagnerrp: | and the two connect to each other over the network |
| [18:37:21] | henkpoley: | neon__: I'd get one of these DVB-T devices: http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr |
| [18:39:24] | henkpoley: | neon__: unless your CPU is slow, these devices use software decoding, that's why they can do other fancy tricks. |
| [18:40:25] | wagnerrp: | because he is going to be repurposing the device as an SDR tuner at some point? |
| [18:40:54] | wagnerrp: | you get them because they're cheap, not because you're a HAM |
| [18:41:07] | wagnerrp: | of course personally, i would avoid any USB tuner if possible |
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| [18:43:06] | TandyUK3: | Hi guys |
| [18:43:27] | TandyUK3: | anyone wround familiar with ngene drivers and the Satix dvb-s2 cards? |
| [18:43:29] | henkpoley: | neon__: HOT (cable provider for 95–98% israel) uses DVB-C |
| [18:44:19] | TandyUK3: | i keep getting "Selected fec_inner parameter unsupported by this driver." when i try to tune channels |
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| [18:45:18] | henkpoley: | .. apparently HOT uses VideoGuard, for which no decoder CAMs are available. Bummer.. |
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| [20:07:40] | TandyUK3: | anyone know how i would try to manually tune a dvb-s2 card to check i can actually get any hd channels |
| [20:08:08] | TandyUK3: | ive done a scan, and am currently watching itv1 hd no problem, but no sign of bbc hd anywhere in the scan |
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| [20:20:59] | stuartm: | TandyUK3: what about C4 HD? |
| [20:22:08] | stuartm: | TandyUK3: do a full scan again, but this time enter the BBC HD tuning info as the starting mux |
| [20:22:58] | stuartm: | if it still doesn't find it then either there's a problem with the card, your config somewhere (wrong lnb type?) or even your dish alignment |
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| [20:23:50] | tonsofpcs: | TandyUK3: operationaly how or what numbers to type in? |
| [20:26:10] | ** wizbit remembers electrical store called 'Tandy' years ago ** | |
| [20:26:25] | wizbit: | they still exist http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/ |
| [20:26:26] | wizbit: | lol |
| [20:26:29] | wagnerrp: | over here we call it radio shack |
| [20:26:47] | wizbit: | aye ok |
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| [20:30:20] | tonsofpcs: | yes, the Tandy Leather Corporation |
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| [20:56:33] | TandyUK3: | well using myth setup i cant get it to lock onto any s2 transport |
| [20:57:03] | TandyUK3: | i was looking for a way in the shell (i now believe scan-s2, but im stuggling to find it) to manually try to tune the satelite and show what channels |
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| [20:58:03] | TandyUK3: | would slight dish misaligntment have major effects here? |
| [20:58:26] | TandyUK3: | its possible its slightly out, we get about 71% singal reported on the itvhd channel |
| [20:59:40] | TandyUK3: | and what do you mean by right lnb type? |
| [21:01:14] | TandyUK3: | its universal (europe) atm |
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| [21:10:00] | justinh: | femon is your friend here |
| [21:10:13] | justinh: | look for low or preferably zero values of BER & UNC.. especially UNC |
| [21:10:32] | justinh: | oh wait.. can't get a lock on *any* transport? |
| [21:10:42] | justinh: | try a different scanning app & see if that's any better |
| [21:10:59] | justinh: | dvb-utils has one |
| [21:12:02] | justinh: | also FYI Radioshack got out of the UK Tandy business a long time ago. Sadly the demand for electronic components & passable quality AV/communications gear on pretty much every major town's highstreet has died away |
| [21:13:26] | TandyUK3: | i canget dvb-s fine, but nothing on dvb-s2 |
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| [21:14:54] | devinheitmuell-1: | Could be the driver doesn't support "auto" mode for the modulation settings. What does the scan file you're feeding it look like? |
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| [21:15:11] | TandyUK3: | no idea, i dont know how to sczn s2 from the command line |
| [21:15:19] | TandyUK3: | and i dont know where the gui pulls it from |
| [21:15:24] | devinheitmuell-1: | Some chipsets support auto mode (where you don't have to provide all the modulation values). Others require you to explicitly provide the values. |
| [21:15:26] | justinh: | dvbscan ? |
| [21:15:42] | TandyUK3: | ok how do i tune using dvbscan? |
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| [21:15:57] | justinh: | been a while, and I've never used it for S2 |
| [21:16:26] | devinheitmuell-1: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Scan-s2 |
| [21:16:42] | devinheitmuell-1: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Dvbscan |
| [21:17:01] | devinheitmuell-1: | I don't think dvbscan works with S2. |
| [21:17:26] | justinh: | maybe not. I don't keep up with tech like I used to |
| [21:17:45] | TandyUK3: | scan-s2 isnt on the system |
| [21:17:49] | devinheitmuell-1: | justinh: the bigger issue is why the hell are there six different command line tools for scanning? :-/ |
| [21:18:01] | TandyUK3: | where do i get it from.. i just keep getting links to some old uused mercurial repo |
| [21:18:14] | TandyUK3: | s/uused/unused |
| [21:18:24] | justinh: | devinheitmuell-1: because apparently some people didn't want to use initial tuning files, yada yada |
| [21:18:31] | TandyUK3: | whats the package name for apt-get? |
| [21:18:42] | justinh: | dvb-utils, AFAIK |
| [21:18:56] | justinh: | or use apt-cache search SOMETHING |
| [21:18:56] | devinheitmuell-1: | justinh: even for those who *do* use initial tuning files, there are still a bunch of different scanners, each with their own bugs. |
| [21:19:15] | justinh: | that's one of the 'beauties' of open source isn't it? |
| [21:19:20] | wagnerrp: | fixing bugs is boring |
| [21:19:27] | wagnerrp: | rewriting from scratch is so much more fun |
| [21:19:27] | justinh: | forking is fun! |
| [21:19:58] | justinh: | and if the world has a zillion apps which all do the same basic thing, another one won't hurt |
| [21:20:23] | devinheitmuell-1: | fricking painful. |
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| [21:20:27] | TandyUK3: | dvb-apps – Digitial Video Broadcasting (DVB) applications ?? |
| [21:20:39] | devinheitmuell-1: | No, scan-s2 isn't part of dvb-apps. |
| [21:20:56] | devinheitmuell-1: | …a reasonable guess though. :-) |
| [21:21:17] | TandyUK3: | right ok |
| [21:21:29] | justinh: | if it's not available there, and apt-cache searching doesn't show scan-s2 .. you should be able to check it out & build it pretty quickly/easily |
| [21:21:31] | TandyUK3: | if manually tuning a dvb-s2 card is this hard, how does mythtv do it? |
| [21:21:40] | devinheitmuell-1: | Black magic. |
| [21:21:43] | TandyUK3: | thats just it justdave |
| [21:21:54] | justinh: | anything is hard when you don't have the libraries ;-) |
| [21:21:56] | TandyUK3: | justinh, the links all go to some mercurial repo that is no longer hosted |
| [21:22:28] | TandyUK3: | if you can find me an active download for the source im quite happy to compile it :P |
| [21:23:02] | TandyUK3: | though i wonder why on a mythbuntu system i dont already have all the stuff i could possibly need :P |
| [21:23:18] | justinh: | https://pikacode.com/mercurial.intuxication.org/scan-s2.tar.gz |
| [21:23:49] | justinh: | don't get me started |
| [21:24:08] | TandyUK3: | ahsweet |
| [21:24:12] | justinh: | it's nice when everything just works out of the box etc.. but life isn't always so simples |
| [21:24:33] | devinheitmuell-1: | I really should just spend a few hours and write the *ultimate* channel scanner. |
| [21:24:43] | devinheitmuell-1: | :-) |
| [21:24:55] | justinh: | so many people come here, moaning that their XYZ card doesn't work, and they've never tested it in anything else.. so they're dealing with a long list of unknowns |
| [21:24:56] | ** devinheitmuell-1 just repeats the same mistake the last five developers made.... ** | |
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| [21:26:32] | devinheitmuell-1: | justinh: regular end users don't expect to have to validate the hardware before trying the most popular application. When was the last time you bought a piece of hardware for Windows and broke out some command line tools to see if it's working before just running the app? |
| [21:27:11] | devinheitmuell-1: | But yeah, I agree that most of the time the root of the problem is the drivers are crap. |
| [21:27:28] | ** devinheitmuell-1 is allowed to say this since he's wrote quite a few of the drivers in question. ** | |
| [21:28:02] | justinh: | devinheitmuell-1: nah, i don't think it's ever been crap drivers – not in here.. more like firmware not loading automagically.. or modules simply not being in the kernel yet |
| [21:28:13] | justinh: | or simply just not having a module loaded |
| [21:28:40] | justinh: | jees.. the whole reason I'm using linux is because of DVB drivers on Windows |
| [21:28:53] | devinheitmuell-1: | Oh, it's usually crap drivers. Stuff like an inability for the driver layer to tell user land that the firmware wasn't found is a fundamental API failure. |
| [21:28:54] | justinh: | mind, that was Leadtek.. heh |
| [21:29:17] | justinh: | and again, nope.. have the user look in dmesg.. firmware not found ;-) |
| [21:29:28] | devinheitmuell-1: | A user should *NEVER* have to manually load a module. If he does, the driver is broken. |
| [21:29:40] | justinh: | maybe things've got worse since I last bought a tuner card |
| [21:29:42] | justinh: | ;-) |
| [21:29:49] | devinheitmuell-1: | It's likely they have. |
| [21:30:03] | devinheitmuell-1: | You can never assert that a driver works in the current release just because it worked in the last release. |
| [21:30:28] | justinh: | thankfully I've never encountered a regression in tuner card drivers |
| [21:31:05] | TandyUK3: | oh this box has worked beautifully for 3+ years, until a hdd died (now replaced by raid 1 array :P) |
| [21:31:05] | devinheitmuell-1: | They happen *all* the time. |
| [21:31:25] | justinh: | eek.. just thinking.. I might have to start planning for the future.. when motherboards are really no longer available with 5x PCI slots |
| [21:31:28] | devinheitmuell-1: | It's just less common with ivtv because the driver is so mature and nobody touches it. |
| [21:31:51] | TandyUK3: | it was originally mythbuntu 8 iirc, and has been upgraded all the way to current. The reinstall is from the 12.04 disk, and backup restored no problem at all |
| [21:32:09] | TandyUK3: | but *just* dvb-s2 channels are giving me grief |
| [21:32:49] | TandyUK3: | i do have to ask though, if i have to download and compile a new scanner, plus the dependencies required to build it, |
| [21:32:59] | justinh: | well, using another app will establish whether the problem is mythtv or something else |
| [21:33:02] | TandyUK3: | how on earth does mythtv tune to these dvb-s2 sources? |
| [21:33:11] | justinh: | well nto so much with mythtv.. with its setup ;-) |
| [21:33:19] | justinh: | TandyUK3: using the API of course |
| [21:33:28] | TandyUK3: | mythtv-setup ? |
| [21:33:30] | justinh: | the same API the scan-s2 app would use |
| [21:33:38] | justinh: | no, with the stuff the user put in ;-) |
| [21:33:48] | TandyUK3: | well i try to compile the source and it moands i need version 5.0 of the api |
| [21:34:00] | devinheitmuell-1: | The root of the issue is there is no "scanning API" in LinuxTV. There's just a tuning API, and every scanner behaves a bit differently. |
| [21:34:08] | TandyUK3: | or is the api just not bundled with mythtv (rather just its binaries) |
| [21:34:32] | justinh: | API is how apps talk to the drivers innit |
| [21:34:44] | devinheitmuell-1: | Does it say what version of the API you have? |
| [21:34:48] | TandyUK3: | no |
| [21:34:55] | devinheitmuell-1: | It could be the app's ./configure is too stupid to realize that 5.2 > 5.0. |
| [21:35:01] | devinheitmuell-1: | (I think we're at 5.2 now) |
| [21:35:05] | TandyUK3: | how do i check what i have? |
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| [21:35:12] | TandyUK3: | tbh it is old and looks unmaintained |
| [21:35:19] | TandyUK3: | but its just a makefile |
| [21:35:31] | devinheitmuell-1: | Should be in the headers in /usr/include/linux. |
| [21:37:00] | TandyUK3: | hmm i dont think i have the source then at all |
| [21:37:14] | TandyUK3: | /usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0–34, and -generic, and for another kernel version |
| [21:37:17] | devinheitmuell-1: | Yeah, you need the kernel-headers package installed. |
| [21:37:22] | TandyUK3: | but no /usr/src/linux/ folder |
| [21:37:49] | devinheitmuell-1: | Should be in include/linux/dvb/version.h. |
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| [21:38:07] | devinheitmuell-1: | #define DVB_API_VERSION 5 |
| [21:38:07] | devinheitmuell-1: | #define DVB_API_VERSION_MINOR 6 |
| [21:38:43] | TandyUK3: | 5.4 mine is but yeah |
| [21:41:44] | TandyUK3: | ok built, now to play |
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| [21:54:07] | TandyUK3: | http://pastebin.com/7iRuF2R8 |
| [21:54:20] | TandyUK3: | wont tune to anything on dvb-s2 wth |
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| [21:56:09] | justinh: | hmm maybe time to look in dmesg when you're trying to tune s2 |
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| [22:03:57] | stuartm: | TandyUK3: can we rewind a bit, what version of MythTV are you using? I cannot remember when support for S2 was added, a couple of years at least but to play it safe I'd be using at least 0.25 |
| [22:05:02] | stuartm: | it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the driver itself doesn't support the S2 api |
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| [22:13:08] | stuartm: | apparently the Satix is the same hardware as the cineS2, which has an alternate driver in the s2-lilipan branch |
| [22:14:18] | skd5aner: | IReboot: ping – you around? |
| [22:14:44] | IReboot: | skd5aner: yes |
| [22:15:00] | skd5aner: | hey! Was playing around with lossless cut right now, for the first time in a while... |
| [22:15:14] | skd5aner: | but I'm getting an error right off the bat, maybe something simple I'm missing |
| [22:15:43] | skd5aner: | just a sec... doing an apt-get update |
| [22:15:46] | skd5aner: | console is scrolling away |
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| [22:17:33] | IReboot: | skd5aner: Try it from the command line. Incidently I will be uploading a new release tomorrow (v0.2.1) a but fix and small change. I found out why the script return codes where never getting to MythTV. I had coded the returns in the shell script that launches the PPA version of the scripts:( |
| [22:17:41] | skd5aner: | That's where I am trying it :) |
| [22:17:57] | IReboot: | skd5aner: Pastebin the error |
| [22:17:59] | skd5aner: | something about Mediainfo couldn't find the fps for the file specificied |
| [22:18:05] | skd5aner: | will do, when console frees back up |
| [22:19:25] | IReboot: | skd5aner: The v0.2.0 tries mediainfo then the recordedmarkup table to find the FPS so that error seems odd. |
| [22:19:29] | skd5aner: | http://pastebin.com/8MBS55p5 |
| [22:20:55] | IReboot: | skd5aner: run > mediainfo "/mythtv/recordings/area3/TVRecordings/4774_20121203105900.mpg" and pastebin the results |
| [22:21:50] | skd5aner: | that seemed to work |
| [22:22:11] | skd5aner: | http://pastebin.com/fF7mjgXh |
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| [22:22:53] | skd5aner: | although I don't see FPS? |
| [22:23:27] | skd5aner: | and duration is WAY off |
| [22:24:13] | skd5aner: | It's a 3 hour recording |
| [22:25:24] | EvilGuru: | Ugh. Another day another load of MySQL exploits |
| [22:26:25] | EvilGuru: | If this crap gets any worse I might have to seriously consider putting my mythtv box on its own vlan |
| [22:27:11] | IReboot: | skd5aner: There is no e.g. "Frame rate : 59.940 fps" meta data in that video file. Can you check the MythTV DB markup table to see if that recording has a type 32 FPS record? |
| [22:27:26] | skd5aner: | yea, just a sec... |
| [22:28:29] | skd5aner: | IReboot: which table? |
| [22:28:38] | skd5aner: | recordedmarkup? |
| [22:28:42] | IReboot: | skd5aner: yes |
| [22:28:50] | skd5aner: | type column value? |
| [22:28:57] | IReboot: | 32 |
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| [22:29:37] | skd5aner: | 33 |
| [22:29:46] | IReboot: | no 32 |
| [22:29:54] | skd5aner: | I'm telling you, it's 33 :) |
| [22:30:24] | skd5aner: | then a lot of 4s and 5s will NULL data |
| [22:30:27] | skd5aner: | and a -3 |
| [22:30:38] | TandyUK3: | ok, still cant get bbc hd.. here is an attempt to tune manually http://pastebin.com/TeEcGWnb |
| [22:31:20] | IReboot: | skd5aner: That was like comedy routine "Who's on first";) If there is no type 32 then MythTV also has no FPS info so changing lossless_cut.py would not help. |
| [22:31:48] | skd5aner: | heh... well, bummer... so what's the story behind that? Why would that be? |
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| [22:33:28] | IReboot: | skd5aner: I only saw type 32 records not written (hence using mediainfo) when a scheduled recording start while watching LiveTV. Several recordedmarkup records are not written when that happens (width, height and aspect). |
| [22:33:49] | skd5aner: | Yea, this was a scheduled recording |
| [22:33:53] | skd5aner: | so, that's strange... |
| [22:34:16] | IReboot: | skd5aner: You also said the duration is not the 3hrs you expect so is the video file corrupted? |
| [22:34:57] | skd5aner: | I can play it back, but I am experiencing a persistant issue where the HD-PVR often corrupts the first few frames of the recording |
| [22:35:16] | IReboot: | skd5aner: Those records are not written ONLY when the schedule program starts while watching LiveTV |
| [22:35:34] | skd5aner: | It was 5AM... no one was watching live tv :) |
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| [22:36:46] | skd5aner: | is there a way to try and "repair" the markup? |
| [22:37:46] | IReboot: | skd5aner: So this one is definitely new to my experience. The beginning corruption I have seen with the HDPVR that is why I force lossless cut to start cutting at the first keyframe to avoid the corruption. |
| [22:38:29] | skd5aner: | IReboot: would providing you a 50MB sample be helpful? |
| [22:39:02] | IReboot: | skd5aner: I have manually inserted db records but this is a do at your own risk suggestions and in this case you will still get a Lossless Cut abort I suspect. |
| [22:39:50] | IReboot: | skd5aner: You could use the ll_report -B option which creates and archive with a 25Mg sample. Check the wiki. |
| [22:40:02] | skd5aner: | I just didn't know if I could do something like a mythcommflag --rebuild or something |
| [22:40:21] | skd5aner: | oh, cool |
| [22:40:51] | IReboot: | skd5aner: Do not do that as the --rebuild will bork you seek table I created a ticket to that effect. |
| [22:41:11] | skd5aner: | IReboot: ok |
| [22:41:17] | skd5aner: | do you have a dropbox for me to leverage? |
| [22:41:52] | IReboot: | skd5aner: The rebuild issues is likely hdpvr specific. No I do not use dropbox. |
| [22:41:59] | skd5aner: | lol... |
| [22:42:12] | skd5aner: | IReboot: ll_report fails because of the same FPS error |
| [22:42:31] | skd5aner: | ll_report -f /mythtv/recordings/area3/TVRecordings/4774_20121203105900.mpg -B |
| [22:42:31] | skd5aner: | Mediainfo failed to find FPS video track information for |
| [22:42:31] | skd5aner: | video file "/mythtv/recordings/area3/TVRecordings/4774_20121203105900.mpg", aborting script. |
| [22:43:00] | IReboot: | skd5aner: Just shows you how rare that mediainfo cannot find that data. |
| [22:43:26] | IReboot: | skd5aner: Use dd to generate the 24Mg file |
| [22:43:40] | skd5aner: | yea, that's how I've done it in the past |
| [22:44:09] | IReboot: | That is what ll_port does. |
| [22:44:42] | skd5aner: | gotcha – what else do you need besides the file itself? |
| [22:45:44] | skd5aner: | IReboot: also, I was curious if you had any place to put the file, not dropbox specifically |
| [22:46:59] | IReboot: | skd5aner: That is about it. In general if MythTV does not save that data and mediainfo cannot provide it there is not much I can do. Try to see if ffmpeg/avconv -i "file.mpg" can display the info. |
| [22:48:08] | IReboot: | skd5aner: Do you have a Ubuntu One account? |
| [22:48:35] | skd5aner: | no, I've been putting off getting a "drop box" account of some sort for too long |
| [22:48:46] | IReboot: | skd5aner: Me also. |
| [22:49:25] | IReboot: | skd5aner: I have a mediafire account but it is used for me yo upload stuff like this. |
| [22:50:13] | skd5aner: | IReboot: I'll get it to you somehow soon... |
| [22:50:21] | skd5aner: | I've to get dinner ready |
| [22:50:22] | skd5aner: | thanks |
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| [23:52:04] | Jonathan__: | Hi everyone. I have found a patch file to get my tuners working but I am unsure how to install it. |
| [23:52:20] | Jonathan__: | it is here http://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/13563/ |
| [23:52:40] | Jonathan__: | and relates to this: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10830 |
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