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| [00:18:38] | bill6502: | fantie: I doubt that I can help, but what did you do that gave you the black blank terminal? |
| [00:23:14] | fantie: | i just started mythtv backend |
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| [00:29:32] | bill6502: | fantie: OK, I thought you were still trying to install it. Now, what did you type to start the backend, for example, sudo start mythtv-backend? |
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| [00:34:05] | bill6502: | If you started it from the command line, then you should expect to get a command prompt back. That's it. To see if its running, type: status mythtv-backend, you'll see |
| [00:34:11] | bill6502: | mythtv-backend start/running, process 2971 |
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| [00:36:47] | fantie: | it says: mythtv/waiting |
| [00:38:14] | bill6502: | Have you looked at the backend's logs? |
| [00:38:18] | fantie: | how do i do that? |
| [00:39:24] | bill6502: | The output of ps ax|grep mythbackend|grep -v grep please (should be one line) |
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| [00:41:31] | fantie: | all i get is an error message |
| [00:41:51] | bill6502: | what does it say? |
| [00:42:33] | fantie: | grep:please:no such file or directory |
| [00:43:28] | bill6502: | Just type what's between these quotes: " ps ax|grep mythbackend|grep -v grep" |
| [00:45:00] | fantie: | nothing :( |
| [00:47:49] | bill6502: | OK, we're going to look at your syslog. 1st, install the pastebinit command: "sudo apt-get install pastebinit". It's a good tool for pasting your log files. |
| [00:49:05] | fantie: | done |
| [00:50:38] | bill6502: | Now: "pastebinit /var/log/syslog" and put the response here. It will look something like: http://paste.ubuntu.com/.............. |
| [00:52:50] | fantie: | paste.ubuntu.com/1403474 |
| [00:53:06] | fantie: | i have to leave, but if you have any insights, please post them and i'll check this when i get back later tonight |
| [00:54:45] | Sharky112065: | hmm there appears to be a bug when scanning TMDB.org title "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1 (2010)" does not get a match despite it being exactly as listed on TMDB. same for part 2. If I take the () out around the date it works, but mythtv leaves the date in the title :( |
| [00:55:14] | Sharky112065: | .026 fixes |
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| [00:55:15] | fantie: | ok how do i do that? |
| [00:56:54] | fantie: | i just downloaded mythtv apt from the software library thing-a-maj |
| [00:57:06] | fantie: | do i need to somehow figure out how to compile 0.26? |
| [00:57:17] | fantie: | if so, can you point me in the direction of some good instructions? |
| [00:58:27] | bill6502: | fantie: Look at line 1175 in what you pasted. "MythBackend: No valid capture cards are defined in the database." You need to go add your capture card or the backend will abort. Sharky112065 wasn't talking to you. I use the mythtv-setup program, Mythbuntu has, I believe, a control center. |
| [01:04:27] | Sharky112065: | When grabber finds more than one listing for a movie, how do I manually tell it to pick one out of the two it is finding? |
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| [01:11:15] | Sharky112065: | woot nvm, I got it "I" for info |
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| [01:51:15] | dmfrey: | Captain_Murdoch, would it be possible to add Version and ProtoVer to each of the api calls? |
| [01:51:35] | dmfrey: | it is available on some, like /Dvr/GetRecordedList |
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| [01:53:20] | dmfrey: | reason being we could use that info to handle differences between releases of the services in the app if we know what version of mythtv the backend is running |
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| [01:58:22] | wagnerrp: | the intent was that individual calls would have their own version, allowing for partial support even on unknown mythtv versions |
| [02:00:27] | dmfrey: | gotcha, that is our intent as well, but not all the calls support it |
| [02:01:01] | dmfrey: | for instance, /Myth/GetHostName, just returns a string |
| [02:02:15] | dmfrey: | would be good if the Version and ProtoVer would be there because 1. it is a quick call we can make to verify the backend is connected, 2. We could periodically call it to check for updates to the backend api |
| [02:09:06] | skd5aner: | sphery: lots of live tv issues in 0.26... lots of tickets and other reports, this one sounds a lot like what me and other's are seeing – fyi – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/534284 |
| [02:09:21] | skd5aner: | so, it's most likely not a setting or configuration issue |
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| [02:53:44] | waxhead: | hey everyone |
| [02:54:07] | waxhead: | quick question, where do I start looking to sort out recordings that are not being deleted? |
| [02:54:16] | waxhead: | on 0.25 |
| [02:54:30] | waxhead: | this is after an upgrade and stupidily renaming my fe/be :( |
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| [02:55:16] | skd5aner: | hmmm, mbe is running both cores in my SBE at 100%... but nothing is going on?? |
| [02:55:24] | skd5aner: | it's not recording, it doesn't process jobs |
| [02:56:04] | skd5aner: | only thing in the log is 2012-12–01 21:52:30.499007 I [31914/31934] HouseKeeping housekeeper.cpp:221 (RunHouseKeeping) – Running housekeeping thread |
| [02:56:07] | skd5aner: | about every 5 mins |
| [02:56:47] | skd5aner: | and when I do "service mythtv-backend stop", it's still running :/ |
| [02:57:38] | skd5aner: | oh well, guess I'll restart it |
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| [03:00:26] | wagnerrp: | hey, cool... we have little dropdowns in mythtv-setup to select from available IP addresses |
| [03:02:56] | waxhead: | wagnerrp, what version? |
| [03:03:26] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: i'm going to have to modify that |
| [03:03:36] | wagnerrp: | it's only going to list the addresses mythtv wants to listen on |
| [03:03:50] | wagnerrp: | so if those values are defined, it will restrict you to only the defined value |
| [03:07:18] | wagnerrp: | i currently see it on master |
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| [03:35:36] | bsilvereagle: | I am trying to edit the ordering of the initial menu of the Readability theme. I am trying to move "Watch TV" to be at the top of the list. Any pointers on where to start? |
| [03:36:39] | wagnerrp: | you're looking for the menu theme, not the graphical theme |
| [03:36:42] | wagnerrp: | two separate things |
| [03:37:04] | bsilvereagle: | hmm okay. Is it in ~/.mythtv somewhere? |
| [03:37:18] | wagnerrp: | you can install alternates in there somewhere |
| [03:37:21] | wagnerrp: | i don't recall where off hand |
| [03:37:41] | wagnerrp: | the packaged defaults are in /usr/share/mythtv/ |
| [03:39:06] | bsilvereagle: | that was it, thanks wagnerrp |
| [03:39:19] | bsilvereagle: | well, while I'm here, is it possible to have MythTV jump straight into Live TV? |
| [03:39:45] | wagnerrp: | you can start mythfrontend with an argument that points it directly to a specific jump point |
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| [03:39:52] | wagnerrp: | one potential jump point being live tv |
| [03:40:00] | bsilvereagle: | hmm alright. I'll look into that |
| [03:40:06] | wagnerrp: | the available jumppoint names are listed in the key bindings |
| [03:59:29] | bsilvereagle: | Dec 1 22:58:30 mythtv mythfrontend[12051]: I CoreContext main.cpp:244 (cleanup) Deleting UPnP client... |
| [03:59:32] | bsilvereagle: | Dec 1 22:58:31 mythtv mythfrontend[12051]: E ImageLoad mythuihelper.cpp:1323 (LoadScaleImage) MythUIHelper: LoadScaleImage(panels-with-drop.png)Unable to find image file |
| [03:59:51] | bsilvereagle: | Last two errors before it crashes, only when "MYTHFRONTEND_OPTS="--jumppoint TV_WATCH_LIVE"" is in the session-settings |
| [04:00:22] | bsilvereagle: | err, the outside quotes aren't there in the file |
| [04:01:26] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what file you're referring to |
| [04:01:51] | bsilvereagle: | sorry, /etc/mythtv/session-settings |
| [04:01:56] | wagnerrp: | and i would expect the jump point to be more like 'Watch TV' |
| [04:02:24] | bsilvereagle: | oh. I just grabbed it from the mainmenu.xml. I guess that could be it |
| [04:15:40] | bsilvereagle: | mythfrontend --jumppoint "Live Tv" hangs because of the space in "Live Tv". I get the generic help menu |
| [04:16:05] | bsilvereagle: | Received 'Tv' but unassociated arguments have not been enabled |
| [04:32:18] | wagnerrp: | it has to be quoted |
| [04:32:33] | wagnerrp: | so it's not interpreted as two different arguments |
| [04:32:40] | bsilvereagle: | it is quoted |
| [04:32:50] | bsilvereagle: | mythfrontend --jumppoint "Live Tv" |
| [04:32:59] | wagnerrp: | and the quoting is apparently stripped by whatever you're using to run it |
| [04:33:05] | bsilvereagle: | ah |
| [04:33:10] | bsilvereagle: | fantastic |
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| [04:33:26] | wagnerrp: | because that error would not happen were you running mythfrontend directly on the command line |
| [04:34:16] | bsilvereagle: | rings@mythtv:~$ mythfrontend --jumppoint "Live Tv" |
| [04:34:22] | bsilvereagle: | straight from an Xterm, getting the error |
| [04:34:34] | wagnerrp: | is this mythbuntu? |
| [04:34:42] | bsilvereagle: | yup |
| [04:34:51] | bsilvereagle: | shjould I switch? |
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| [04:34:59] | wagnerrp: | on mythbuntu, mythfrontend has been replaced by a wrapper script, and moved to mythfrontend.real |
| [04:35:10] | wagnerrp: | and apparently this wrapper script is stripping the proper quoting |
| [04:36:52] | bsilvereagle: | running .real directly still crashes it with the "LoadScaleImage" deal. What distro are you running on? |
| [04:37:02] | wagnerrp: | gentoo |
| [04:37:12] | bsilvereagle: | I typically use Fedora but figured there might be codec issues |
| [04:37:24] | bsilvereagle: | can't make the jump to Gentoo for a machine I'm handing to family |
| [04:37:25] | wagnerrp: | like i said, i don't know what the specific jumppoint is |
| [04:37:37] | wagnerrp: | all "codecs" are hard coded into the mythtv libraries |
| [04:37:42] | wagnerrp: | there cannot be any codec issues |
| [04:37:42] | bsilvereagle: | oh, good |
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| [04:40:07] | bsilvereagle: | any DEs that MythTv is known to not like? |
| [04:40:37] | wagnerrp: | anything compix is recommended against |
| [04:40:46] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, just something lightweight |
| [04:41:05] | wagnerrp: | usually people use a simple window manager, like fluxbox, or evilwm, or ratpoison |
| [04:41:12] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu defaults to xfce |
| [04:41:25] | wagnerrp: | a full desktop environment just needlessly sucks down resources |
| [04:41:27] | bsilvereagle: | I can't hand i3 over to family either ;) I think I'm going w/ fedora + xfce |
| [04:41:50] | wagnerrp: | it's more an issue of memory than CPU usage |
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| [04:44:32] | bsilvereagle: | well Mythbuntu sure is more convenient than all of the stuff in here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_on_Fedora |
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| [05:19:13] | bill6502: | bsilvereagle: Its "Live TV" not "Live Tv", at least in: http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . in.cpp#n1289 |
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| [05:48:23] | theteju: | hello guys |
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| [05:50:52] | theteju: | so tired,, trying to set up mythbuntu since 48 hours.. |
| [05:51:18] | theteju: | so messed up dont even know where to start now, or how to ask question,, I have a weird issue. |
| [05:51:35] | theteju: | when I try to start frontend on my laptop,, it just does not fire up |
| [05:51:59] | theteju: | and when I turn off my backend machine,, the frontend starts on laptop asking me to choose language |
| [05:52:46] | [R]: | what does the frontend say when you start it when it "does not fire up" |
| [05:53:59] | wagnerrp: | sounds like your database is on the same machine as your backend |
| [05:54:17] | wagnerrp: | so when your backend and database is not up, it goes into language selection |
| [05:55:12] | theteju: | ok.. but when the backend and database is on,, frontend just does not start... nothing happens on my laptop. |
| [05:55:50] | wagnerrp: | you have to give more than that |
| [05:55:56] | theteju: | I am trying to have two separate machine laptop (as frontend) , a Desktop machine (as master backend) |
| [05:56:02] | wagnerrp: | how are you trying to start mythfrontend? |
| [05:57:25] | theteju: | how, just like anyother apps, from an icon on the unity panel |
| [05:57:51] | wagnerrp: | open a terminal, and run 'mythfrontend.real' to bypass mythbuntu's wrapper script and any potential issues it may be causing |
| [05:58:17] | theteju: | ok |
| [06:01:05] | theteju: | here , take a look please http://imagebin.org/237886 |
| [06:03:29] | theteju: | and nothing happening on the laptop |
| [06:04:03] | theteju: | now as soon as I turn my backend system off, the frontend pops up, with the screen for language selection |
| [06:07:37] | wagnerrp: | try cranking verbosity up a bit |
| [06:07:46] | wagnerrp: | -v all --loglevel debug |
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| [06:12:55] | theteju: | here, http://pastebin.com/jMdrZP6A |
| [06:13:01] | theteju: | again nothing happens on laptop |
| [06:16:19] | theteju: | any ways... sorry but I am running away from this now... it is too difficult for me. |
| [06:16:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i have no idea why it wouldn't be starting |
| [06:17:32] | theteju: | i just dont understand the steps to follow to build the system from scratch |
| [06:18:13] | wagnerrp: | built from scratch, it should behave exactly the same |
| [06:18:24] | wagnerrp: | the only difference with mythbuntu is their wrappers and helper applications |
| [06:18:48] | theteju: | so how to install standalone mythtv? |
| [06:19:00] | theteju: | is there any guide? |
| [06:19:08] | wagnerrp: | there are the install docs |
| [06:19:18] | theteju: | ok |
| [06:19:26] | wagnerrp: | but if the mythbuntu binaries aren't working, there is no reason to think hand compiled ones would |
| [06:19:35] | wagnerrp: | try with '-O ThemePainter=qt' |
| [06:19:50] | wagnerrp: | or maybe '-O UIPainter=qt' |
| [06:20:03] | wagnerrp: | i don't know which one is valid for that version |
| [06:20:53] | theteju: | nope |
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| [06:21:06] | wagnerrp: | try using opengl rather than qt |
| [06:21:15] | wagnerrp: | try disabling compiz |
| [06:21:28] | wagnerrp: | try running a normal, basic window manager rather than unity |
| [06:22:08] | theteju: | omg,, wagnerrp : you are throwing options and its all foreign language for me lol |
| [06:22:44] | theteju: | never mind.. I am gonna run away.. thanks for all your help wagnerrp |
| [06:22:50] | theteju: | appreciated. |
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| [08:28:50] | Vollstrecker_: | Hey guys, I bought an additional tuner, The analog and the new dvb-t are planned to be used parrallel. Is there a way to tell the system, that a specific channel is the same on both? |
| [08:30:18] | Vollstrecker_: | So let's say, chan number 2 is ntv, dvb is preffered till something is recorded, then the stick is used for recording and chan 2 is ntv on analog? |
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| [08:31:48] | wagnerrp: | make the two channels use the same callsign and channum |
| [08:31:59] | wagnerrp: | they will be merged within the context of live tv |
| [08:32:38] | wagnerrp: | outside of that, the scheduler will automatically take care of the behavior you're looking for |
| [08:32:45] | wagnerrp: | you don't need to do anything |
| [08:33:00] | glemsom: | using 0.26 with blue abstract theme. In LiveTV is it possible to print The channel names/callsign indtead of number? |
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| [08:34:35] | glemsom: | i would like it to sat "TV 2" instead of "channel 9" |
| [08:39:30] | glemsom: | or is that a limitation in the theme? |
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| [10:59:49] | stuartm: | you'd need to edit the theme |
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| [11:37:34] | lapion: | so anyone having certain recordings smeared from approxiately halveway the screen down ? |
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| [11:41:33] | lapion: | they are live-recorded files, during the first pass ( live tv watching the video played back perfectly, it's only when watching them from the recording-live-tv list that they playback smeared |
| [11:46:34] | lapion: | anyone? |
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| [11:48:26] | henkpoley: | It doesn't appear my backend uses my second tuner for LiveTV. I'm running MythTV 0.26 |
| [11:49:04] | henkpoley: | Is there any way to automatically switch to the other tuners ? |
| [11:49:32] | lapion: | henkpoley, just set the priority value of the tuner.. |
| [11:50:00] | lapion: | you can set it as the default for live tv, exclusive live tv or any other... |
| [11:50:04] | henkpoley: | So, they (both) need a priority value, then it starts to work ? |
| [11:50:26] | henkpoley: | Why are tuners added by default no enabled for this ? |
| [11:51:01] | lapion: | the system is a backend that can multiple frontends wanting to watch livetv |
| [11:51:38] | lapion: | on an analog single tuner only one channel can be tuned. |
| [11:51:43] | henkpoley: | single backend with 2 tuners yes, DVB-C |
| [11:52:15] | lapion: | both are dvb-c ? |
| [11:52:18] | henkpoley: | I've set it up so the backend sees each tuner as 2 tuners so it reuses transports. |
| [11:52:23] | henkpoley: | yes both dvb-c |
| [11:52:42] | henkpoley: | 2 hardware tuners, 4 virtual tuners |
| [11:52:49] | lapion: | what is the processor for the system ? |
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| [11:53:34] | henkpoley: | AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4000+ |
| [11:53:51] | henkpoley: | both of the frontends are remote in this case |
| [11:54:19] | lapion: | I used to have a pentium-4 (worst processor ever) laptop on which I used to be able to capture 3 streams at a time and I quess it could capture 5 as well.. |
| [11:54:24] | henkpoley: | I do have a local fronted, but that's not where I use LiveV |
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| [11:54:41] | lapion: | your system should be able to capture 5 streams.. |
| [11:54:42] | henkpoley: | I know it can do it. I just wonder why it doesn't. |
| [11:55:09] | henkpoley: | I mean, it can work. I can record 3 programs, and have a LiveTV on a remote system |
| [11:55:12] | lapion: | you have to set up the tuner to capture 5 streams.. |
| [11:55:38] | lapion: | only thing is those streams have to be on the same "channel" |
| [11:55:57] | opwrat0rmob: | 5 wow so manybreeuns you can prob get away with just 2 |
| [11:55:59] | henkpoley: | you mean transport |
| [11:57:03] | lapion: | henkpoley, yes |
| [11:57:27] | henkpoley: | Anyways, I'll dig into mythtv-setup. it doesn't appear you know why it doesn't work for multi-tuner LiveTV by default. |
| [11:57:44] | lapion: | only problem with setting the 5 streams is you can't individually set priorities on them |
| [11:59:43] | opwrat0rmob: | i came down stairs to hear my mythbox churnning hard.. i ran iotop and mythtv/mysql was running my mythconverg is about 180 megs. i let it churn for 10 min and rebooted. |
| [12:00:39] | lapion: | you are probably having problems with recordings not being moved to another tuner while watching live tv |
| [12:01:10] | opwrat0rmob: | my q: is what kind of batch job would cause this ? i did see some stuff in /tmp mydql was writong to |
| [12:01:17] | henkpoley: | there are no recordings going on until 5 hours from now |
| [12:01:30] | henkpoley: | though livetv is of course another recording type |
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| [12:03:04] | lapion: | yeah but while watching livetv I always have the problem that even though all tuners have the same priorities it keeps on wanting to preempt livetv for recordings, while I have 3 analog tuners |
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| [12:06:33] | opwrat0rmob: | lapion ?? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Scheduling_Recordings |
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| [12:08:17] | opwrat0rmob: | Input preference (Input Priority)-- in the MythTV back-end setup program, the "Input Connections" section allows you to add additional priority in the "Input preference" |
| [12:08:41] | opwrat0rmob: | that not what you want? |
| [12:09:12] | opwrat0rmob: | i set that up for hd >std |
| [12:10:23] | opwrat0rmob: | ill bet you can setup default tuner as the last priority inpit so yoi dont habe that issue |
| [12:10:44] | lapion: | opwrat0rmob, all tuners have the same priority. |
| [12:13:00] | henkpoley: | for the giggles I created a livetv storage group |
| [12:13:09] | lapion: | opwrat0rmob, The option "Allow Live TV to move scheduled shows" which moves scheduled recordings to a different tuner while watching live tv |
| [12:14:09] | opwrat0rmob: | ohh kk i get it |
| [12:16:48] | opwrat0rmob: | i updated ubuntu only thing left not working is the repmote.. lirc is not even running yet the arrow keys work on the remote.. and i cant figure out whats eating the dev lirc0 because irw shows nothing in lircd |
| [12:17:35] | henkpoley: | Now that I have disabled LiveTV starting into the EPG I can tune different channels |
| [12:17:51] | henkpoley: | Maybe the PIP of the EPG somehow keeps a tuner busy-ish |
| [12:18:16] | opwrat0rmob: | i assume ubuntu was like ohh look u have a remote let me install some random deamon with drivers for ot |
| [12:19:05] | henkpoley: | Is there a way disable the PIP video in the EPG ? |
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| [12:19:40] | lapion: | opwrat0rmob, many remote modules are set up as generic keyboards and mice |
| [12:20:47] | opwrat0rmob: | but what proc woild be eating dev lirc0 or is my issuse something else |
| [12:21:23] | lapion: | opwrat0rmob, with other words they are not set up as lirc devices |
| [12:22:36] | henkpoley: | Lets unmute him. As I have a problem with remotes/keyboards to. Lets see if he learned to spell ;) |
| [12:23:32] | henkpoley: | my two tuners are the same product, and they listen to the same remote. So one key press is seen as 2 key presses by the local frontend. |
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| [12:23:51] | henkpoley: | I haven't really found a way to disconnect one remote/keyboard in software |
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| [12:24:48] | operat0r: | Sorry. The keyboard on the phone sucks. |
| [12:28:25] | operat0r: | henkpoley: So you have the same issue ? something being picked up as a HID-ish thing in ubuntu ? |
| [12:29:03] | henkpoley: | Is your problem: 2 tuners -> 2 IR receivers -> 1 remote -> 2 keypresses ?? |
| [12:30:35] | operat0r: | eww no lol only way around that is maybe some kind of "alt+key" |
| [12:31:09] | henkpoley: | Furthermore my problem is that MythTV doesn't understand regular "multimedia" key presses |
| [12:31:13] | operat0r: | IE you have to hold a key on keyboard to make it work different IR |
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| [12:31:31] | operat0r: | henkpoley: does it show up in irw ? |
| [12:31:34] | henkpoley: | My remote is sent as key presses such as KEY_OK and KEY_FORWARD |
| [12:31:57] | henkpoley: | I did set up LIRC too yes |
| [12:32:05] | henkpoley: | but LIRC can only read from one device |
| [12:32:21] | henkpoley: | So that is an additional problem, that it can only filter one device for me |
| [12:32:58] | henkpoley: | I used to solve a similar "problem" with input-utils. It basically rewrites the key translation table in the kernel |
| [12:33:27] | henkpoley: | but the kernel interface is broken-ish. It can only rewrite tables for keyboards that start at key 0x0 |
| [12:33:33] | henkpoley: | Mine starts at key 0x1500 |
| [12:33:57] | henkpoley: | it can read the table just fine, it can't set it |
| [12:36:29] | lapion: | henkpoley, set the frontend keymapping |
| [12:37:05] | henkpoley: | I'll see if the frontend nowadays understands KEY_FORWARD and friends |
| [12:37:37] | operat0r: | ewww sounds like yer over my head already...so maybe you can tell me howto get lirc working and block ubuntus |
| [12:37:46] | operat0r: | maybe this is my issue ? http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=114124 |
| [12:38:05] | operat0r: | remove ir-keytable or somehow remove the kernels ir support ? |
| [12:38:29] | operat0r: | I have lirc already setup / configured |
| [12:38:42] | lapion: | operator disconnect the second ir sensor and set the keybindings of the frontend. |
| [12:39:12] | operat0r: | lapion: I only have one. The remote stopped working after Ubuntu update |
| [12:39:41] | lapion: | what does irw do ? |
| [12:39:45] | operat0r: | and when I run lirc I get nothign in irw |
| [12:39:53] | operat0r: | irw will tell you what the remote is doing |
| [12:40:16] | operat0r: | "irw will connect to any Unix domain socket and will print the data that it receives to stdout. If you don't give it a socket name argument it will watch //var/run/lirc/lircd. Useful for debugging. " |
| [12:40:38] | lapion: | operat0r, I guess you should be over at #ubuntu or #mythbuntu |
| [12:41:04] | operat0r: | heh or #lirc4noobs |
| [12:41:59] | lapion: | try #lirc |
| [12:45:35] | henkpoley: | Heh, it's even weirder. Apparently both hardware output into /dev/input/event4, /dev/input/event3 receives nothing |
| [12:45:39] | henkpoley: | Driver bug.. |
| [12:46:22] | henkpoley: | I'll mask one of the IR receivers and see what the regular output is |
| [12:47:36] | operat0r: | I dont even see why you would ever need more then on IR receiver unless you run out of buttons to bind stuff to ? |
| [12:48:15] | operat0r: | or have more then one TV .. |
| [12:48:21] | henkpoley: | They are external USB tuners |
| [12:48:31] | operat0r: | Ohh snap |
| [12:48:43] | henkpoley: | the sensor is inside the box, box is on top of the computer |
| [12:48:50] | henkpoley: | I mean both boxes are.. |
| [12:49:28] | henkpoley: | I now have one laying nose down on its smart card.. not really my idea of durability |
| [12:49:47] | operat0r: | so just use one of the sensors to control both boxes no ? |
| [12:51:07] | operat0r: | IR reciver is just an input deivce and not jailed to to tuner or anything..? |
| [12:51:34] | henkpoley: | it is inside the box |
| [12:52:03] | henkpoley: | I could break the warranty and desolder sensor of course |
| [12:52:14] | henkpoley: | both boxes have an IR sensor |
| [12:53:11] | operat0r: | ya but ... you just need one ? im lost .. you can setup IR sensor to do what ever the hell you want no ? or is the only way yo ucan change changles the IR sensor ? |
| [12:54:38] | henkpoley: | Tell me how do I "setup IR sensor to do what ever the hell you want" |
| [12:54:49] | henkpoley: | it is interpreted by the kernel as a keyboard |
| [12:55:07] | henkpoley: | it sends key presses to programs, such as X11 |
| [12:55:37] | henkpoley: | I basically have a system with 3 keyboards, a regular one and "2" infrared ones |
| [12:55:40] | operat0r: | right .. so you can have it run a sh scipt to do what ever you want no .. |
| [12:56:24] | operat0r: | ya but why do you need more then one remote .. just bind a diff key to the diff tuners less you again run out of keys lul |
| [12:56:51] | henkpoley: | I don't think you get it |
| [12:57:11] | operat0r: | nope :P |
| [12:57:24] | operat0r: | dont bother im a hopeless effort |
| [12:57:46] | operat0r: | I am going to figure out if/how to disable this kernal lirc garbage .. |
| [12:58:14] | operat0r: | hey lets load more shit into the kernal YAY ! |
| [13:03:17] | henkpoley: | Pfft.. all of a sudden "Need to switch video renderer" |
| [13:03:31] | henkpoley: | Lets see why nvidia vdpau has crapped out again |
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| [13:24:30] | henkpoley: | Is there a list somewhere of all the magic names MythTV/QT recognizes for keybindings? (eg. PgUp, Volume Up, etc.) |
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| [13:30:28] | wagnerrp: | yes, the keybindings page in mythfrontend |
| [13:31:32] | stuartm: | henkpoley: those are determined by the kernel, /usr/include/linux/input.h |
| [13:32:23] | henkpoley: | I'll check over there |
| [13:32:47] | henkpoley: | There is no "Volume Up" in there |
| [13:33:29] | henkpoley: | Can I just plunk KEY_EPG or something into myth's keybindings ? |
| [13:33:37] | henkpoley: | That used to _not_ work |
| [13:34:41] | stuartm: | why are you editing these manually? why not just the bindings editor? |
| [13:35:15] | henkpoley: | where is the keybindings editor other than in myth web ? |
| [13:35:24] | wagnerrp: | in mythfrontend, settings |
| [13:35:34] | henkpoley: | then.. |
| [13:35:34] | henkpoley: | ? |
| [13:35:49] | wagnerrp: | i don't know, it should be fairly obvious |
| [13:36:29] | stuartm: | http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qt.html#Key-enum |
| [13:36:48] | stuartm: | Setup > Edit Keys |
| [13:37:41] | henkpoley: | oddly enough I didn't see that before |
| [13:37:49] | henkpoley: | I'll see what I can set up there |
| [13:39:30] | henkpoley: | Doesn't let me set up KEY_BLUE by pressing the blue key, lets check others.. |
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| [13:40:10] | stuartm: | you've hit select, and it's prompted you to press the button you wish to bind? |
| [13:40:17] | henkpoley: | "Media Play" does work |
| [13:40:21] | stuartm: | does here |
| [13:40:23] | henkpoley: | I understand how it works |
| [13:41:41] | henkpoley: | neither does it receive KEY_INFO |
| [13:42:07] | stuartm: | then something's amiss outside mythtv :/ |
| [13:42:08] | henkpoley: | I'll create a list to post at trac |
| [13:42:39] | stuartm: | henkpoley: those all work here, it works with any keypress that MythTV would accept, which is anything recognised by X11/QT |
| [13:43:06] | stuartm: | if those aren't working then the problem lies elsewhere, e.g. lirc |
| [13:43:13] | stuartm: | or maybe X |
| [13:43:49] | henkpoley: | Which was why I was asking for lists of that X11/QT/MythTV recognizes. At least /dev/input/event4 fires the KEY_INFO |
| [13:44:10] | henkpoley: | so somewhere along the line it gets dropped |
| [13:44:23] | stuartm: | /usr/include/linux/input.h and http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qt.html#Key-enum |
| [13:44:33] | henkpoley: | KEY_INFO is /usr/include/linux/input.h btw |
| [13:44:40] | stuartm: | I'd say it's an X problem thoug, some remapping |
| [13:45:30] | stuartm: | standard X will pass through all keys with a code less than 256 (anything above 256 is unsupported by X, which is just one reason why X is doomed) |
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| [13:47:42] | stuartm: | henkpoley: does xev recognise the input? |
| [13:47:53] | henkpoley: | I'll take a look in a moment |
| [13:49:01] | henkpoley: | KEY_INFO and KEY_BLUE are higher than 256, so I'll *guess* not :: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TechnoT . . . 50_CI#keymap |
| [13:50:40] | henkpoley: | KEY_PLAY = 207, so it does get passed |
| [13:51:10] | henkpoley: | Lets see if I can get some use out of the keys below 256 |
| [13:51:30] | stuartm: | ah, so they are, I thought I'd been using them, but it seems not |
| [13:52:30] | stuartm: | henkpoley: fwiw, the problem of X's limited understanding of key codes caught out the linux kernel/driver devs, they were adding all these key codes but no-one ever noticed that they wouldn't be usable in userland |
| [13:52:33] | bas-t: | Using live tv (fixes/0.26) I notice that when jumping forward AND this jumping gets me to the next show, sound will continue ok but picture gets screwed up. When I jump to a point near the end of a show and play across the finish/start of these shows, all is well. Does anyone recognise this? Should I file a bugreport? |
| [13:54:08] | henkpoley: | stuartm: I must have bumped into this already in 2007 or so |
| [13:54:20] | stuartm: | it's a fundamental design flaw in the X11 protocol that it only gives over 8bits to key codes, maybe not surprising when you consider that X11 is 20 years old, we should have moved to X12 years ago but worries about compatability meant that it never happened |
| [13:54:50] | henkpoley: | stuartm: with my previous DVB-C tuner I could remap keys in kernel. but that part of the kernel interface is broken at the moment. |
| [13:55:24] | henkpoley: | Often you fix these things with a protocol version update yes |
| [13:55:42] | stuartm: | here I have INFO mapped to I, and the colour buttons mapped to F2–5 |
| [13:55:53] | henkpoley: | Making it less magical what keys work and don't work helps a lot though, thanks :) |
| [13:56:03] | henkpoley: | mapped how ? |
| [13:56:15] | stuartm: | henkpoley: in my lirc config |
| [13:56:34] | henkpoley: | yeah.. again the two IR-receiver problem for me then |
| [13:57:23] | stuartm: | we support multiple recievers via multiple instances of lirc, although I don't know how it's actually setup since I've never had to do it |
| [13:57:34] | henkpoley: | Unless I can make it deterministic which of my boxes LIRC is listening too I can't use LIRC at the moment |
| [13:57:47] | henkpoley: | ah, you can run multiple lirc.. hmmm |
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| [13:58:16] | henkpoley: | I guess I would have to rejig the ubuntu lirc startup scripts for that |
| [13:58:34] | stuartm: | henkpoley: Daniel K added that feature, I assume because he was making use of it, he might be able to help |
| [13:59:21] | stuartm: | bas-t: by all means file a report |
| [14:00:12] | bas-t: | so this is not known behaviour? |
| [14:00:20] | henkpoley: | stuartm: I supposed that would mean the rate limiting done by LIRC is bypassed.. so one remote -> two receivers -> two (LIRC) key presses would still occur |
| [14:06:22] | henkpoley: | Heh, mythbuntu-desktop (XFCE4) listens to KEY_MIN_INTERESTING (mute). Never mind that key then.. |
| [14:06:31] | stuartm: | I'd imagine that we compensate for that, but like I said, I've never used it or dug through the code |
| [14:06:34] | henkpoley: | XFCE doesn't listen to the Vol+ Vol- buttons. |
| [14:08:32] | stuartm: | yeah, with KDE I have to kill kMix otherwise it swallows VolumeUp/Down and Mute, worse those bindings cannot be edited |
| [14:09:35] | henkpoley: | I never use mythtv's volume controls, only on TV |
| [14:09:48] | stuartm: | developers who hard-coded bindings, especially in applications which can intercept keypresses preventing them from reaching the focused application, should be string up by their toes |
| [14:09:58] | henkpoley: | Is there a mythtv "context action" for changing to the last channel ? |
| [14:10:54] | stuartm: | PREVCHAN in the TV Playback context |
| [14:11:08] | henkpoley: | :) |
| [14:11:37] | henkpoley: | Wait, that's a >256 key code. nvm.. |
| [14:13:38] | henkpoley: | stuartm: otherwise maybe mythbuntu-desktop should use more cut down (set up of the) windows manager |
| [14:14:02] | henkpoley: | I would expect KDE to listen to those mute/volume keys |
| [14:16:33] | henkpoley: | Heh, KEY_STOP is sensed as Meta+Ctrl+Alt+Shift+<some chinese character> |
| [14:26:34] | henkpoley: | I wish the mythwelcome context had a key press for starting the frontend, so I wouldn't need to put some useful key as select |
| [14:28:14] | henkpoley: | Lets hope the play button doesn't clash with selecting anything anywhere |
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| [14:38:59] | henkpoley: | Gosh, the frontend does have info on the icons used |
| [14:39:22] | henkpoley: | I guess it must have been sitting there since 2003/4 waiting for me |
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| [14:43:59] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: do you know who maintains the gentoo ebuild? |
| [14:45:39] | henkpoley: | stuartm: http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/ . . . ?view=markup |
| [14:45:48] | henkpoley: | stuartm: <email>cardoe@gentoo.org </email> |
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| [14:49:31] | ubuntuaddicted: | has .26 fixed the zero byte recordings for all PVR-XXX analog cards? |
| [14:50:11] | ubuntuaddicted: | i know analog is outdated but there are so many users still with analog cards. PVR-150, -350, -500 |
| [14:51:16] | henkpoley: | I don't think it's PVR specific that bug |
| [14:51:48] | stuartm: | ubuntuaddicted: it's fixed in 0.25-fixes and 0.26-fixes |
| [14:52:20] | stuartm: | there are no devs still using that hardware |
| [14:52:33] | ubuntuaddicted: | stuartm, ok, thanks for the heads up |
| [14:54:02] | ubuntuaddicted: | been holding back on upgrading past mythbuntu .23.1+fixes because of that bug. still own a pvr-350 and pvr-500 because TWC still transmits analog over my internet coax line |
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| [17:15:51] | tonsofpcs: | I've got a local channel whose 1080i when recorded or watched live with mythtv appears to have issues keeping up... Looking at it on a better decode platform than my eeepc, it appears that the video is running at half of the rate that it should and the audio is being presented based upon PTSs which makes me have a period with audio that doesn't line up except at one brief point and a period without, repeat... (HDHomeRun Dual) |
| [17:15:59] | tonsofpcs: | (other channels 1080i are fine) |
| [17:16:39] | tonsofpcs: | vlc seeems to play it /relatively/ fine (both live from hdhomerun_configu_gui and the recording from myth via upnp) but there's still some glitches... -vvv shows quite a few 'late picture skipped' and some PCR and PTS issues... I'm guessing there's an issue with repetition rates in their encode or with my reception (unlikely, although they are on RF7 they're the most powerful thing in town)... |
| [17:18:17] | tonsofpcs: | interestingly, playing the file back on a sony network-attached media player (SMP-N200) shows no noticable issues (except for audio lagging video more than expected but that's just as likely to be something *way* upstream) |
| [17:20:59] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you're trying to use one of the 2x deinterlace filters, with a display that doesn't support the necessary framerate |
| [17:21:39] | tonsofpcs: | but why would it happen only on the one 1080i channel but not the other two or three? (all ATSC) |
| [17:21:40] | wagnerrp: | what hardware is this other system? |
| [17:22:00] | wagnerrp: | are the other channels interlaced or progressive? |
| [17:22:14] | tonsofpcs: | two of them are 1080i, the third I'm not sure if it's 1080i or 720p |
| [17:22:16] | wagnerrp: | typically NBC and CBS are 1080i, FOX and ABC are 720p |
| [17:22:49] | tonsofpcs: | Acer Iconia Tab A500 (tegra2) |
| [17:23:11] | wagnerrp: | oh... a tegra definitely doesn't have anything like the kind of power you need to play ATSC content |
| [17:23:41] | wagnerrp: | if we had multithreaded playback, it might be able to pull it off |
| [17:23:47] | wagnerrp: | but MPEG2 decoding is single threaded |
| [17:23:51] | tonsofpcs: | I'm going to run a half-hour recording from each to test further |
| [17:24:03] | wagnerrp: | half realtime is probably all the faster that CPU is capable of decoding |
| [17:24:17] | tonsofpcs: | (brb while I set it up) |
| [17:24:49] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use mythtv directly on an ARM device, you're going to have to get someone to write an openmax decoder |
| [17:28:38] | tonsofpcs: | ok, I've got a record set for every video channel from 12:30 to 1pm (or ~now to 1pm for shows that started before 12:30). |
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| [17:40:46] | tonsofpcs: | well, I'm an idiot and just oversaturated a switch so I'm going to have to cancel these and do that again :) |
| [17:41:25] | tonsofpcs: | (I originally intended to plug the HDHRs into a gigabit switch but placement to get my temporary antenna working required them next to the 10/100 switch with open prts and a 1G switch without... I've rectified that :) |
| [17:43:02] | tonsofpcs: | (the 10/100 has a terrible backplane) |
| [17:43:27] | wagnerrp: | a single HDHR will only potentially push 76Mbps, and only 39Mbps if you're using an antenna |
| [17:43:42] | wagnerrp: | 10/100 should be plenty |
| [17:43:56] | wagnerrp: | however note that it is UDP traffic |
| [17:44:16] | wagnerrp: | so if you do saturate the gigabit uplink, you will have troubles |
| [17:45:39] | tonsofpcs: | (19.393 * 2 + overhead) * 2 [two HDHRs with 2 ATSCs each] + other devices on the switch (really an AP/switch combo) all trying to hit a 100M uplink saturated the crap out of it :) |
| [17:46:03] | tonsofpcs: | oh, and I was also playing out the recording over that same 100M link |
| [17:46:30] | tonsofpcs: | I moved the necessry itmes to a better switch and it's not choking now :) |
| [17:48:00] | wagnerrp: | oh, it was only 10/100 |
| [17:48:10] | wagnerrp: | not one of those 10/100 switches with a gigabit uplink |
| [17:49:26] | tonsofpcs: | yea, no, it's a Linksys E1000. It now hass just wifi and some misc. HT setup connections behind it |
| [17:51:53] | wagnerrp: | i really need to figure out why my ipv6 tunnel isn't working |
| [17:52:10] | wagnerrp: | seems a bunch of new sites just turned it on recently |
| [17:52:27] | wagnerrp: | or at least set up DNS so i'm trying to access through it |
| [17:54:02] | tonsofpcs: | ok, got some (manual) 5minute records set to start in 7 minutes :) |
| [17:54:08] | wagnerrp: | no, that's not it... a whole swath of the internet is just inexplicably slow |
| [17:54:37] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: tunnelbroker or ipv6 directly through your ISP? |
| [17:55:15] | henkpoley: | wagnerrp: would this help: http://www.internetpulse.com ? |
| [17:55:32] | henkpoley: | AT&T and Cogent appear to have slow peering at the moment |
| [17:55:37] | tonsofpcs: | DNS shouldn't need any changes. The programs you run should be defaulting to trying AAAA records before A records if v6 exists |
| [17:55:46] | wagnerrp: | ever since my ISP replaced my wonderful bridged DSL modem with a crappy routed DSL2, i've been unable to get my connection to my tunnel broker working |
| [17:56:22] | tonsofpcs: | my ISPs routes are so terrible, IPv6 through HE (which is the other side of the continent) is faster at least 90% of the time |
| [17:56:24] | wagnerrp: | it's been causing problems because IPv6 DNS will resolve, but the addresses cannot be accessed |
| [17:56:30] | henkpoley: | With slow peering I meant large packet loss (3%ish) |
| [17:56:41] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: ah |
| [17:56:45] | wagnerrp: | so things that do resolve take considerable time to time out before going through |
| [17:57:02] | tonsofpcs: | so you have link-local addresses but not a route? what sort of router are you using to 'connect' to the tunnel-broker? |
| [17:57:15] | wagnerrp: | there are a number of websites that seem to be loading partially, and then waiting on something |
| [17:57:19] | wagnerrp: | i figured that was the same DNS issues |
| [17:57:34] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: is one of them yahoo.com ? |
| [17:57:36] | wagnerrp: | but after disabling IPv6, it didn't fix itself, so it's something else |
| [17:57:44] | wagnerrp: | even things like speedtest.net won't load |
| [17:58:19] | wagnerrp: | yahoo loads fine, google loads fine |
| [17:58:38] | wagnerrp: | speedtest just sits there and spools |
| [17:58:44] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if some major CDN just went offline |
| [17:58:57] | henkpoley: | google is often on the ISP network |
| [17:59:04] | tonsofpcs: | *checks his e-mail that's subscribed to outages* |
| [18:01:07] | wagnerrp: | tonsofpcs: i'm just using some embedded machine running freebsd as my firewall/router |
| [18:01:18] | wagnerrp: | before, the machine was bridged directly onto the internet |
| [18:01:31] | wagnerrp: | now, it's got another layer of NAT because of this POS westel |
| [18:01:40] | wagnerrp: | i'm thinking im not forwarding something properly |
| [18:01:51] | tonsofpcs: | oh, can you not turn the westel into full bridge mode? |
| [18:02:04] | wagnerrp: | i can... but i can't get it to function in that manner |
| [18:02:41] | tonsofpcs: | interesting. Can you make your routerwall be the DMZ? |
| [18:03:35] | wagnerrp: | that would indeed solve all my problems, but the POS westell only supports forwarding individual ports |
| [18:03:42] | wagnerrp: | there is no "send everything here" option |
| [18:04:20] | tonsofpcs: | *facepalm* |
| [18:04:44] | tonsofpcs: | can you forward 0 to 65535 maybE? |
| [18:04:59] | wagnerrp: | that might work |
| [18:05:13] | tonsofpcs: | oo, wait! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18788269-DMZ-with-Westell-6100 |
| [18:05:25] | tonsofpcs: | "Westell uses the term "Static NAT" for what everyone else calls "DMZ"" |
| [18:06:42] | wagnerrp: | lets see if that did it... |
| [18:07:25] | wagnerrp: | it indeed seems to have |
| [18:07:41] | wagnerrp: | well... assuming it's not simply that the new settings are not yet in effect |
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| [18:22:46] | henkpoley: | Am I right that even if the backend is idle, it won't initiate a shutdown unless mythwelcome is running a state that it will send the shutdown commands ? |
| [18:23:11] | wagnerrp: | the backend will shutdown just fine on its own if configured |
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| [18:23:34] | wagnerrp: | mythwelcome is intended for use when you are running a frontend on the same machine |
| [18:23:41] | henkpoley: | I am |
| [18:24:06] | henkpoley: | The fronted is currently in 'standby' but the backend isn't shutting down |
| [18:24:11] | wagnerrp: | you can use mythwelcome, or you can put mythfrontend into the new idle mode |
| [18:24:15] | henkpoley: | the local fronted that is |
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| [18:24:31] | henkpoley: | ah, so there are two configurations ? |
| [18:24:40] | wagnerrp: | slave backends and remote frontends may also prevent the master backend from going offline |
| [18:24:46] | henkpoley: | as in myth welcome (which is working) and some other place ? |
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| [18:25:51] | henkpoley: | I'll take a walk around the house :P |
| [18:26:50] | henkpoley: | No remote frontends are online |
| [18:27:49] | henkpoley: | local frontend has been in standby for 2 hours already |
| [18:28:06] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i've never used that mechanism |
| [18:28:12] | wagnerrp: | so i have no idea how to troubleshoot it |
| [18:29:37] | henkpoley: | I just wondered if somebody had a brainfart by making it rely on mythwelcome |
| [18:29:57] | henkpoley: | which is sleeping while a frontend is running |
| [18:30:09] | tonsofpcs: | hmm, apparnetly the third 1080i moved to 720p... so I have 2x 1080i, 3x 720p, 3x 480i |
| [18:34:18] | stuartm: | henkpoley: you don't need mythwelcome |
| [18:34:41] | stuartm: | unless you have a particular reason for using it beyond allowing the backend to shutdown |
| [18:35:20] | stuartm: | e.g. you want to be able to wake up the backend again from the frontend |
| [18:35:54] | stuartm: | but if you use mythwelcome then you need to exit the frontend like you would in previous versions |
| [18:36:07] | henkpoley: | And what if I use "both" ? |
| [18:37:58] | stuartm: | well mythwelcome is going to prevent the backend shutting down while the frontend is running, that's what it's designed to do, even if the frontend is in standby |
| [18:38:45] | stuartm: | the frontend standby mode was designed as a simple replacement for mythwelcome for those that don't need or want the added functionality incorporated into mythwelcome |
| [18:39:24] | stuartm: | in fact, long term the frontend standby mode will replace mythwelcome entirely, that just hasn't happened yet |
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| [18:45:04] | henkpoley: | Okay, good to know. I guess mythwelcome's design isn't entirely in sync with my expectations |
| [18:46:17] | henkpoley: | I'll see what I can do with the current setup |
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| [18:47:37] | tonsofpcs: | so where do I change deinterlace settings? |
| [18:48:28] | tonsofpcs: | (for this frontend, drop would be perfectly acceptable) |
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| [18:54:54] | stuartm: | henkpoley: mythwelcome was IMHO a stupid idea, the problem was that the backend would not shut down while a frontend was connected in case that frontend was still being used – so instead of having the frontend indicate to the backend that it was idle as should have been done originally, someone created a whole new application to run underneath the frontend, the idea being that you'd exit the frontend and switch to mythwelcome when you |
| [18:54:56] | stuartm: | wanted the backend to power off |
| [18:55:11] | henkpoley: | stuartm: yes |
| [18:55:36] | henkpoley: | but at that time it was "impossible" to signal when the frontend was idle |
| [18:55:46] | henkpoley: | Never had a good explanation about that |
| [18:56:14] | henkpoley: | It's simply a timer that's reset whenever some key pressed |
| [18:56:20] | henkpoley: | and halted when video is played |
| [18:56:23] | henkpoley: | just about it |
| [18:56:43] | stuartm: | henkpoley: it was never impossible, that's what so stupid about the creation of mythwelcome, an entirely new app with hundreds of lines of code to fix a problem that could have been addressed with a dozen lines in the frontend |
| [18:56:56] | henkpoley: | I'm with you |
| [18:57:02] | stuartm: | as I proved when I implemented the standy mode to the frontend |
| [18:57:26] | henkpoley: | I do like the info overview in myth welcome though |
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| [18:58:00] | henkpoley: | Would have liked if it showed other connected frontends (and backends) too. but hey.. |
| [18:58:05] | stuartm: | even so I faced opposition to replacing/removing mythwelcome which is why the frontend standby mode doesn't yet offer the wakeup and other _useful_ stuff found in mythwelcome |
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| [18:58:18] | henkpoley: | :-/ |
| [18:58:49] | stuartm: | it will do soon though, I just wanted to let people get used to the idea first |
| [18:59:35] | tonsofpcs: | I set the profile to slim and it still stutters on the eeepc... |
| [18:59:43] | stuartm: | some of the overview stuff in mythwelcome can only be shown while a backend is running and since it's also possible to list upcoming recordings within the frontend I won't bother duplicating that in standby mode |
| [19:00:33] | henkpoley: | stuartm: The main mythtv debs like people how show how things work with code, you are doing the right thing |
| [19:00:40] | henkpoley: | I never got very deep in the codebase |
| [19:01:47] | henkpoley: | s/debs/devs |
| [19:01:53] | henkpoley: | (auto correct..) |
| [19:02:34] | stuartm: | henkpoley: I am one of those devs ;) |
| [19:02:41] | henkpoley: | I get that |
| [19:18:49] | henkpoley: | mythfrontend pn mac is a crashing pile of.. at least it get you to the point of playing video, and only crashes after you return from the video. |
| [19:19:08] | henkpoley: | I guess I should build it myself and wire it in with Xcode instrumentation |
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| [21:51:11] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: you still around? |
| [21:53:34] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: hes in my bed, would you like me to wake him? |
| [21:54:30] | ** wagnerrp eyes wizbit ** | |
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| [22:58:23] | neon__: | I try to set up, but it fails to connect to db |
| [22:58:29] | neon__: | i need to reconfigure it or somethign? |
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| [23:00:43] | neon__: | I get can not login |
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| [23:07:55] | neon__: | anyone here? |
| [23:08:32] | neon__: | mythtv could not connect to the database |
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| [23:18:01] | skd5aner: | you have to give more specifics... |
| [23:18:10] | skd5aner: | log files or error messages help |
| [23:18:23] | skd5aner: | also, distribtution, how are you installing ,etc |
| [23:21:32] | neon__: | skd5aner, now it tells me "could not connect to the master backend server is the ip address set ... correct? |
| [23:21:43] | neon__: | it also doesn't show my mouse |
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| [23:22:15] | neon__: | skd5aner, now it tells me "could not connect to the master backend server is the ip address set for it in mythtv-setup correct? |
| [23:22:26] | neon__: | the address is 127.0.0.1 |
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| [23:24:29] | skd5aner: | !help |
| [23:24:34] | skd5aner: | help list |
| [23:24:38] | skd5aner: | list |
| [23:24:50] | skd5aner: | !url – list |
| [23:24:50] | MythLogBot: | analoghw currentrelease deleteme(disabled) devrelease digitalhw down faq fixesrelease google linuxtv lmgtfy log logs overscan overview pastebin recordingcable theming tuners upnp vdpau wiki |
| [23:25:21] | neon__: | ? |
| [23:25:26] | skd5aner: | neon__: make sure you follow the docs – http://www.mythtv.org/docs/ |
| [23:25:36] | skd5aner: | basically, you need to set up everything without a mouse |
| [23:25:46] | skd5aner: | how are you installing mythtv? on what OS? |
| [23:26:10] | wagnerrp: | or you could use --mouse-cursor |
| [23:26:13] | neon__: | debian |
| [23:26:19] | wagnerrp: | although it's still easier to use the keyboard |
| [23:26:25] | wagnerrp: | the UI is not really designed for use with a mouse |
| [23:26:57] | neon__: | what was it designed for? |
| [23:27:05] | wagnerrp: | IR remotes, and TVs |
| [23:27:19] | wagnerrp: | like every other DVR |
| [23:28:07] | neon__: | what is the command that start it from cli? |
| [23:28:15] | wagnerrp: | start what? |
| [23:28:25] | neon__: | mythtv |
| [23:28:31] | wagnerrp: | which part? |
| [23:28:41] | neon__: | aha |
| [23:28:42] | wagnerrp: | there's mythfrontend, and mythbackend |
| [23:28:45] | wagnerrp: | both are needed |
| [23:29:46] | skd5aner: | neon__: apt-get install mythtv |
| [23:29:55] | skd5aner: | then launch mythtv-setup... |
| [23:29:59] | skd5aner: | and fill in the blanks |
| [23:30:01] | neon__: | skd5aner, did it |
| [23:30:26] | skd5aner: | neon__: you've got to set it up first... |
| [23:30:31] | skd5aner: | read the docs I sent... |
| [23:31:27] | skd5aner: | This link might be easier – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index |
| [23:32:07] | skd5aner: | have you ran mythtv-setup at all? |
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| [23:32:26] | neon__: | how do I set my country again? |
| [23:32:35] | skd5aner: | are you installing this on a new machine or an existing one? If you want to do this from scratch, I'd recommend you look up mythbuntu |
| [23:32:40] | skd5aner: | which will do a lot of the config for you |
| [23:32:44] | neon__: | new machine |
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| [23:35:30] | skd5aner: | neon__: save yourself a TON of pain – http://www.mythbuntu.org/ |
| [23:35:53] | skd5aner: | neon__: that'll make it so much more easy for you, great support, great distro – debian based so it's very familiar |
| [23:35:59] | skd5aner: | if you are familiar with debian |
| [23:36:31] | neon__: | but installing a whole OS is not what I want |
| [23:37:09] | skd5aner: | is it a machine that's going to be dedicated to mythtv? |
| [23:38:52] | neon__: | no |
| [23:39:17] | neon__: | I just wanted to see what mythtv can do for me |
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| [23:39:51] | neon__: | in windows I installed the software for the pvr in a click |
| [23:40:09] | neon__: | it wasn't such a scientistism |
| [23:40:14] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [23:40:44] | skd5aner: | yea, MythTV isn't necessarily easy – but mythbuntu makes it extremely easy... it's just ubuntu (which is a debian variant) which is optimized and preconfigured to run mythtv |
| [23:40:50] | neon__: | I didnt' even got to see snow yet |
| [23:41:28] | neon__: | are there simpler pvrs for linux? |
| [23:41:47] | skd5aner: | if you are installing debian from scratch... no reason not to just do it this way :) |
| [23:41:57] | skd5aner: | simplier, not that are as actively developed as mythtv |
| [23:42:20] | skd5aner: | and none of them are as simple as installing an exe on windows |
| [23:43:14] | neon__: | I will think if I want to spend time on reading a ton of manuals for this |
| [23:43:28] | skd5aner: | ok, good luck... |
| [23:43:39] | skd5aner: | fyi... debian isn't the best OS for mythtv if you are using their packages... |
| [23:43:50] | skd5aner: | they don't maintain them as frequently, so it's a bit out of date |
| [23:45:26] | skd5aner: | you can do it... but, you know... I'd still say mythbuntu is the way to go if you want to get started |
| [23:45:35] | skd5aner: | especially if you're starting from scratch |
| [23:46:01] | neon__: | i have other things that need debain |
| [23:46:07] | skd5aner: | such as? |
| [23:46:15] | skd5aner: | you know – ubuntu IS debian, right? |
| [23:46:16] | neon__: | web servers |
| [23:46:51] | skd5aner: | I run a LAMP web stack on ubuntu... |
| [23:47:23] | neon__: | I tried ubuntu once, and the support on irc for it was bad, and I couldn't even configure the network right , but in #debian people helped me better |
| [23:47:24] | skd5aner: | you can run it on mythbuntu, it's just stock ubuntu with mythtv pre-configured on it |
| [23:47:36] | skd5aner: | ubuntu forums... |
| [23:47:52] | skd5aner: | anyway... you can go to #ubuntu-mythtv for any help getting started |
| [23:48:11] | skd5aner: | there aren't the thousands of people that are in the typical ubuntu IRC room where your quesiton could get lost |
| [23:49:40] | neon__: | i think that if you would take a step back, and see that we are discussing installing the OS that best serve a package, it is a bit ridiculous. |
| [23:50:13] | skd5aner: | you don't have to do it... just the path of least resistance |
| [23:50:42] | skd5aner: | you can do it on debian, just a lot more manual setup |
| [23:51:20] | skd5aner: | good luck, read the docs and come back if you get stuck |
| [23:51:48] | neon__: | thanks |
| [23:52:37] | skd5aner: | np :) |
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