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| [00:32:23] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: any idea why nuvexport would be throwing this error on selecting a profile? |
| [00:32:24] | skd5aner: | Use of uninitialized value $time in subtraction (-) at /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2/MythTV.pm line 820, <STDIN> line 1. |
| [00:32:24] | skd5aner: | Please specify both a starttime and chanid. |
| [00:32:42] | skd5aner: | or, Beirdo ^ |
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| [00:39:10] | skd5aner: | actually, it throws the error as soon as nuvexport is run... I just did a pull of nuvexport from github, and running against 0.26-fixes |
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| [03:40:27] | dfgas-cr48: | is commercial skip on by default? |
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| [03:41:56] | tonsofpcs: | how do I remove a single capture card? |
| [03:42:55] | wagnerrp: | select it in mythtv-setup, hit 'd' |
| [03:43:01] | tonsofpcs: | 'd', ah :) |
| [03:43:41] | tonsofpcs: | is there a list of these keys for mythtv-setup hidden somewhere? |
| [03:43:58] | wagnerrp: | no, but there is a configuration screen for keybindings in the frontend |
| [03:44:27] | tonsofpcs: | ok, so what is the proper way to exit setup? |
| [03:44:37] | wagnerrp: | esc |
| [03:46:18] | [R]: | didnt there used to be a keys.txt? |
| [03:47:00] | wagnerrp: | there may have been |
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| [03:59:16] | tonsofpcs: | thanks wagnerrp, I think I have it workign now :) |
| [04:00:10] | tonsofpcs: | only issue I'm seeing so far is that I'm seeing "English AC3 2ch" on a channel from a HDHomeRun that has 3/2 audio... |
| [04:00:22] | tonsofpcs: | actually, wait, nevermind |
| [04:00:32] | tonsofpcs: | I'm looking at the wrong channel :) |
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| [04:09:27] | Blaksmith: | maybe someone is around to help me now... Fresh install of a gentoo system, mythfrontend fires up, I can select a pre-recorded show from the back end, and I get audio, but I get a black screen with "Please Wait" .. I have tried all different playback settings "Normal", "Opengl", "Slim", etc.. and they all produce the same thing ... Here's the pastebin of my console http://pastebin.com/25b6tuxP |
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| [04:15:48] | dfgas-cr48: | how do i do the comercial skip? |
| [04:16:13] | wagnerrp: | enable commercial detection in your recording rules |
| [04:16:44] | dfgas-cr48: | so when watching a recording it will then just skip commercials? |
| [04:16:56] | wagnerrp: | that is one option |
| [04:17:07] | wagnerrp: | i believe the default is to notify you, but not automatically skip |
| [04:17:15] | dfgas-cr48: | ahhh |
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| [04:17:48] | dfgas-cr48: | because i hit menu and when to begin commercial skip detection and it didn't do anything |
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| [04:19:01] | dfgas-cr48: | do i have to transcode it afterwards? |
| [04:19:58] | wagnerrp: | no, mythtv keeps trac of the commercial markers and will handle them internally |
| [04:19:59] | Blaksmith: | also, when I try to fast forward, just to see if whatever will kick it, I get static until I forward or back a few times, or totally exit the recording.. then sound goes to normal |
| [04:20:22] | wagnerrp: | you only need to transcode if you want to use those commercial markers in something other than mythfrontend |
| [04:20:54] | dfgas-cr48: | ahh |
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| [04:30:10] | tonsofpcs: | is there any way to serve live tuners via upnpav? |
| [04:30:19] | wagnerrp: | not currently |
| [04:30:59] | Blaksmith: | hmmm, I got video.. enabled "use Use GUI size for TV Playback: |
| [04:31:50] | tonsofpcs: | darn. Is there a way to generate http streams that I can pass to a 'dumb' playback device? |
| [04:31:55] | tonsofpcs: | (urls, that is) |
| [04:32:00] | wagnerrp: | Blaksmith: this is a dedicated frontend? |
| [04:32:21] | Blaksmith: | no, my desktop |
| [04:32:30] | wagnerrp: | as in... not a backend |
| [04:32:36] | Blaksmith: | oh yes then |
| [04:32:44] | wagnerrp: | why did you run mythtv-setup? |
| [04:32:57] | Blaksmith: | I didn't |
| [04:33:03] | wagnerrp: | you had to have |
| [04:33:04] | Blaksmith: | emerge mythtv ... |
| [04:33:37] | wagnerrp: | lines 27–29 say you're only listening on localhost, which means you told it to only listen there |
| [04:33:38] | Blaksmith: | I stripped out my old machine, kept the same IP, so the settings were saved from before |
| [04:34:13] | wagnerrp: | ah, well you may want to go into mythtv-setup and blank out the two backend IP settings on your desktop |
| [04:34:28] | wagnerrp: | as it is currently configured, it is not accessible from the network |
| [04:34:50] | Blaksmith: | well, I am able to watch playback on my desktop now |
| [04:35:04] | wagnerrp: | what video card? |
| [04:35:08] | Blaksmith: | it was the "Use GUI size for TV Playback" |
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| [04:35:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that should have been enabled by default |
| [04:35:29] | Blaksmith: | nVidia GTX 660 Ti .. was working in ubuntu, but converted it to gentoo |
| [04:35:39] | Blaksmith: | well, it's all good now though :) |
| [04:35:42] | wagnerrp: | if that was unchecked, it would try to change the resolution to match the video |
| [04:35:57] | Blaksmith: | I think it was unchecked from before, which worked ok |
| [04:36:04] | wagnerrp: | with that card, you'll want to use OpenGL or VDPAU High Quality |
| [04:36:09] | Blaksmith: | because it always was "fit to screen" |
| [04:36:59] | wagnerrp: | where as now, your "screen" is some funky 3840x2104... is that RANDR doing that, or do you actually have some strange multi-monitor setup? |
| [04:37:19] | Blaksmith: | I have a funky multi-monitor setup |
| [04:37:33] | Blaksmith: | I have 3 in an L shape .. |
| [04:37:53] | wagnerrp: | 1280+1024? |
| [04:38:07] | wagnerrp: | no, that's not it |
| [04:38:13] | Blaksmith: | (2) @ 1920x1080 .. and one at 1024x768 |
| [04:38:34] | Blaksmith: | err 1280x1024 for the 3rd one |
| [04:38:38] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [04:38:55] | Blaksmith: | maybe it is 1024 .. either way.. |
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| [04:39:44] | Blaksmith: | playing perfect now though : ) |
| [04:39:55] | Blaksmith: | just selected OpenCL High Quality |
| [04:40:38] | Blaksmith: | but now, another problem .. when I fast forward.. I get static |
| [04:40:57] | Blaksmith: | what could cause that? |
| [04:42:41] | wagnerrp: | like analog noise static? |
| [04:42:46] | Blaksmith: | yes |
| [04:42:50] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [04:43:20] | Blaksmith: | pulseaudio .. if that might be a key? |
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| [04:43:36] | Blaksmith: | I remember that a ways back, pulse had issues |
| [04:43:53] | wagnerrp: | just a burst of static? |
| [04:44:12] | Blaksmith: | stays static until I ff or rw a couple times, then it plays the audio fine |
| [04:44:12] | wagnerrp: | if you are using pulseaudio, and allowing mythtv to access ALSA beneath pulseaudio |
| [04:44:26] | wagnerrp: | it will disable pulseaudio while playing |
| [04:44:47] | Blaksmith: | no, I have mythtv to use pulseaudio:default |
| [04:44:52] | wagnerrp: | however other applications will queue up sounds, that will be emitted as a burst of noise when playback is stopped and pulseaudio is enabled again |
| [04:45:09] | Blaksmith: | let me double check the audi osettings |
| [04:45:13] | wagnerrp: | some kind of complication with a digital audio output? |
| [04:45:44] | Blaksmith: | let me see if Jack gives that isse. |
| [04:46:03] | Blaksmith: | yes, I have a complex setup .. needed for other software .. alsa as base, jack on top of alsa, then pulse on top of jack |
| [04:46:16] | wagnerrp: | yuck |
| [04:46:21] | wagnerrp: | if you have jack, why bother with pulse? |
| [04:46:22] | Blaksmith: | ok, jack wkrs |
| [04:46:30] | Blaksmith: | no static issue |
| [04:46:48] | Blaksmith: | most programs don't use jack, so I need pulse |
| [04:46:56] | Blaksmith: | yah, I'm complex lol |
| [04:47:02] | Blaksmith: | but i think I'm all set :) |
| [04:47:12] | wagnerrp: | jack has no similar alsa emulation? |
| [04:47:26] | Blaksmith: | not that I have found |
| [04:47:38] | wagnerrp: | i mean as far as sound servers go, jack is heads above pulse |
| [04:47:44] | wagnerrp: | it just lacks a convenient UI |
| [04:48:05] | xris: | wow, the scheduler is really confused… "no, I won't record this show today, I can record it next sunday instead" |
| [04:48:09] | xris: | no conflicts. just because... |
| [04:48:18] | Blaksmith: | audio is sync'd better with using jack, than with pulse .. :) |
| [04:48:31] | Blaksmith: | lol xris |
| [04:48:41] | wagnerrp: | that's because pulse makes no guarantees about audio latency |
| [04:48:54] | Blaksmith: | yah, and jack uses rtc |
| [04:49:08] | Blaksmith: | I totally missed the "jack" capability when I was re-setting up |
| [04:50:16] | Blaksmith: | thanks again wagnerrp :) |
| [04:50:39] | ** wagnerrp goes back to trying to figure out cython ** | |
| [04:51:18] | xris: | not pypy? :) |
| [04:51:36] | tonsofpcs: | xris: I found that mine went crazy when I had it doing EIT updates... was getting data on the wrong channels |
| [04:51:41] | wagnerrp: | a python interpreter written in python? |
| [04:51:46] | wagnerrp: | just seems too meta |
| [04:51:57] | xris: | no, it's basically a python compiler |
| [04:52:09] | xris: | separate interpretation of python. its code is faster |
| [04:52:13] | xris: | or allegedly so |
| [04:52:16] | wagnerrp: | im trying to access libmagic |
| [04:52:23] | xris: | for imagemagic? |
| [04:52:31] | wagnerrp: | for 'file' type stuff |
| [04:52:37] | wagnerrp: | MIME and the like |
| [04:52:41] | xris: | ah |
| [04:52:58] | xris: | tonsofpcs: in my case it's just something odd in the scheduler. trials of not using a stable release |
| [04:53:15] | wagnerrp: | i'm pissed off at freebsd |
| [04:53:55] | wagnerrp: | tried to update qt, and ran into tons of compilation issues where some nested dependency was updated, but libraries using it never recompiled for the new library name |
| [04:54:27] | wagnerrp: | so i kept having to manually rebuild stuff because it couldn't figure out libpcre.so.1 is just as good as libpcre.so.0 |
| [04:55:13] | wagnerrp: | im trying to write something that will scan through the package manifests for any binary files installed, and then make sure all their linked dependencies are available |
| [04:55:14] | xris: | I gave up on freebsd years ago when I realized it wasn't linux. :) though admittedly I was very new to linux at the time. |
| [04:55:17] | wagnerrp: | if not, rebuild them |
| [04:56:02] | wagnerrp: | i gave up on linux years ago, when freebsd was the first "distro" that handled all my disk controller cards out-of-the-box |
| [04:57:15] | wagnerrp: | this was maybe... 10 years ago? |
| [04:57:25] | wagnerrp: | had a bunch of controller cards due to 32GB BIOS issues |
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| [04:58:00] | wagnerrp: | i still use it as my primary, but i've been spoiled by gentoo's package system |
| [04:58:11] | wagnerrp: | it's similar design to freebsd's, but much more advanced |
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| [05:10:37] | JoeyJoeJo: | Is it wise to use an SSD for recordings? |
| [05:10:48] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [05:11:10] | wagnerrp: | only if you are intending to use it as temporary scratch space, and will be shuffling those into some large bulk storage |
| [05:11:59] | JoeyJoeJo: | What's the reason for that? I thought it would be better since the seek times are better |
| [05:12:25] | clever: | video files arent very seek heavy |
| [05:12:26] | wagnerrp: | because it's expensive |
| [05:12:37] | wagnerrp: | like 20x the cost of traditional magnetic storage |
| [05:12:51] | JoeyJoeJo: | What if money wasn't an issue? |
| [05:13:03] | wagnerrp: | buy a kaleidoscape |
| [05:13:16] | JoeyJoeJo: | What's that? |
| [05:13:51] | wagnerrp: | commercial networked video library, in the $10K and up range |
| [05:14:12] | wagnerrp: | of course they use magnetic storage too |
| [05:14:13] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [05:14:30] | Blaksmith: | hmm, I never did mess with the volume settings, but were't there keys like [] or <> or something for the volume up/down? I remember hitting them by accident in the past.. or does the jack setting not have it? |
| [05:15:03] | clever: | Blaksmith: i think it was [], but i'm not sure if jack lets you adjust volume |
| [05:15:27] | Blaksmith: | yah, thought it was [] also .. not seeing it pop up now.. oh well :) |
| [05:15:31] | Blaksmith: | the volume is ok |
| [05:16:23] | wagnerrp: | JoeyJoeJo: basically, there is no sense using flash for bulk storage unless you need shock resistance |
| [05:16:29] | xris: | I really like my synology NAS. it'll do iscsi. though I still haven't put my recordings there. :) |
| [05:17:16] | wagnerrp: | SSDs work great for your database, but they're just too small for any meaningful amount of recording space |
| [05:17:35] | wagnerrp: | there are many of us in the several TB range |
| [05:17:52] | JoeyJoeJo: | xris: Can you put apps on the synology? |
| [05:18:12] | wagnerrp: | it's just a little Linux ARM system |
| [05:18:14] | xris: | I only use it for nfs/sips, but if you use iscsi, sure. the linux box just sees it as a scsi device |
| [05:18:32] | xris: | or do you mean on the NAS itself? yeah, as wagnerrp said it's just a linux box. |
| [05:18:55] | wagnerrp: | you can put whatever you want on there, so long as you obey the CPU and memory constraints |
| [05:18:56] | xris: | runs mail/web/vpn/crashplan/audio streaming and a bunch of other stuff for me |
| [05:19:09] | JoeyJoeJo: | Cool. That'd be neat to run a torrent client on |
| [05:19:31] | xris: | there's a 3rd party package for transmission |
| [05:19:35] | xris: | works great |
| [05:19:55] | xris: | I just wish it would plug into the NAS auth setup so I could open the port on my firewall |
| [05:20:12] | wagnerrp: | of course it's a pricy little unit just to run bittorrent |
| [05:20:41] | wagnerrp: | you use it because you don't want to spend the time managing an LVM array yourself |
| [05:20:47] | xris: | esp the 5 drive version I got |
| [05:21:09] | xris: | yeah, I got it to replace my mail server and a few other things, too. trying to simplify my life a bit. |
| [05:21:15] | Blaksmith: | thanks all again :) ... be back if/when I re-do my system again LOL |
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| [05:51:56] | tonsofpcs: | suggestion for front-end hardware with HDMI out? |
| [05:52:10] | [R]: | nvidia |
| [05:52:23] | tonsofpcs: | [R]: not just a video card, a whole system |
| [05:52:33] | [R]: | it doesnt matter |
| [05:52:44] | [R]: | just shove an nvidia in it |
| [05:56:48] | tonsofpcs: | something like the zotac ID41+? |
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| [06:19:52] | xris: | tonsofpcs: my box is a big fe/be thing in an htpc case. I've heard of people using the zotac stuff for frontends, though |
| [06:20:29] | tonsofpcs: | iron and beryllium? |
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| [06:21:04] | xris: | nvidia really is the only thing that matters, though. as long as the rest can run linux and fits your space and budget, the backend and recording stuff is the part that matters more. |
| [06:21:26] | xris: | (and: "hah". front end / back end) |
| [06:21:34] | tonsofpcs: | ah :) |
| [06:21:47] | tonsofpcs: | I was going to say. big iron I get, beryllium is toxic though :) |
| [06:22:23] | xris: | makes a good alloy, though |
| [06:22:26] | tonsofpcs: | my netbook seems to do ok except for one local channel. |
| [06:22:57] | tonsofpcs: | (eeepc900a — 1G RAM and no video accel) |
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| [06:23:11] | tonsofpcs: | (atom ... n270? |
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| [06:25:21] | xris: | tiny |
| [06:25:27] | xris: | not HD, then? |
| [06:26:13] | tonsofpcs: | the other 3 (or is it 4) HDs work fine. |
| [06:26:43] | wagnerrp: | perhaps it is 1080i, and the chip can't handle decoding AND deint? |
| [06:26:59] | wagnerrp: | or it's just a higher bitrate, beyond what the chip can decode |
| [06:27:17] | tonsofpcs: | idk, I didn't check rates. Others are 1080i so I doubt it's that... |
| [06:28:28] | xris: | is it jumpy/slow or just doesn't come in? |
| [06:28:41] | xris: | I don't get one of my channels because the signal is too weak, even with an amp |
| [06:28:44] | tonsofpcs: | very intermittent |
| [06:28:49] | xris: | comes in fine over cablecard, but not qam |
| [06:28:51] | tonsofpcs: | and this is the highest power tx in the market |
| [06:29:07] | tonsofpcs: | and the HDHR reports all 100%s on the three values it shows |
| [06:29:13] | tonsofpcs: | (or within 10%) |
| [06:29:16] | xris: | weird |
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| [06:29:40] | xris: | try playing the files back from a more powerful machine, or outside of myth? |
| [06:29:44] | tonsofpcs: | first tuning to it, I get black, then I get a few seconds, then it jumps, then maybe black, then jumpy for a while.... |
| [06:30:08] | tonsofpcs: | I haven't done much with that channel beyond try to watch live (I set it to record but that's when I hit the EIT issue) |
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| [15:59:13] | wagnerrp: | jams: you around? |
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| [16:56:15] | dfgas-cr48: | anyone here have charter cable? or use the clear qam channels they have? |
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| [16:57:16] | dfgas-cr48: | just wondering if you are using cable or high cable |
| [16:58:32] | wagnerrp: | 'cable high' is just a subset of 'cable' |
| [16:59:07] | wagnerrp: | you use 'cable high' if you know for certain that everything from 1–78 is being used for old analog service, and your digital channels are only on 79+ |
| [17:00:16] | dfgas-cr48: | ahh, ok because i was having issue that when i goto a channel it closes live tv with some error about program, idk. it doesn't close mythtv |
| [17:00:32] | dfgas-cr48: | well i know they have some 74-whatever channels too |
| [17:00:59] | dfgas-cr48: | i am redoing my channel scan because i told it to try and decrypt |
| [17:01:15] | dfgas-cr48: | now i don't want it to do that |
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| [17:01:23] | dfgas-cr48: | maybe that will fix my issue |
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| [17:01:51] | dfgas-cr48: | but i know that it is finding way more channels that my tvs do |
| [17:02:10] | skd5aner: | I just use cable |
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| [17:02:13] | skd5aner: | not need to limit |
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| [17:02:26] | skd5aner: | let it scan the whole spectrum |
| [17:03:07] | skd5aner: | you will likely find a crap-load of channels that aren't really valid |
| [17:03:12] | dfgas-cr48: | its weird too because hdhomerun has 3 different cable listings for my small city, and they are all clear qam channels but some are different then others |
| [17:03:18] | skd5aner: | you'll have to go in and hide them or remove them manually |
| [17:03:26] | dfgas-cr48: | k |
| [17:03:38] | skd5aner: | I would say I actually only use about 15% of the channels my clearqam channel scan finds |
| [17:03:57] | dfgas-cr48: | heh |
| [17:04:20] | dfgas-cr48: | i just want abc, nbs and cbs, but i think cbs is only sd on clearqam channels |
| [17:04:22] | dfgas-cr48: | :( |
| [17:04:35] | skd5aner: | Yea, I only use the broadcasts too |
| [17:04:41] | dfgas-cr48: | all the othe channels are pointless |
| [17:04:43] | skd5aner: | it'd be unlikely |
| [17:04:48] | skd5aner: | it should be in HD too |
| [17:04:54] | skd5aner: | you might just have to look for it |
| [17:05:18] | dfgas-cr48: | i know on my tvs i can't find it |
| [17:05:35] | dfgas-cr48: | but they find far less stations |
| [17:05:39] | dfgas-cr48: | channels |
| [17:06:13] | wagnerrp: | dfgas-cr48: if CBS broadcasts in HD, it should come over the cable in HD as well |
| [17:06:39] | dfgas-cr48: | it does on the cablebox, just can't find on clearqam scans |
| [17:07:16] | dfgas-cr48: | i will search though, if i get that error, i will post exactly what it says |
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| [17:20:58] | kdx7214: | anyone on that can help me figure out how to make schedulesdirect work with the local digital tv channels? |
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| [17:26:48] | skd5aner: | yes, but you left |
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| [17:30:16] | ViperSBT: | MythTV on F16... Why would I be able to play any video type but AVI, yet external players on the same box will play the AVI just fine? |
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| [17:33:36] | dfgas-cr48: | wagnerrp, error opening jump program file. what does this mean? |
| [17:34:02] | wagnerrp: | probably a generic frontend error caused by the backend failing to record |
| [17:34:05] | wagnerrp: | check your backend logs |
| [17:34:22] | dfgas-cr48: | its when i change to a channel |
| [17:34:35] | dfgas-cr48: | certain channels |
| [17:35:09] | wagnerrp: | chances are the channel has nothing for mythtv to record |
| [17:35:26] | wagnerrp: | mythtv picks up a lot of channel descriptors that don't actually have any real data on them |
| [17:36:16] | skd5aner: | ViperSBT: need more info... such as logs with -v playback |
| [17:37:49] | ViperSBT: | So, I need to launch mythfrontend -v playback? |
| [17:38:06] | skd5aner: | yes... |
| [17:38:18] | skd5aner: | and then post the logs that it provides to a pastebin |
| [17:38:35] | skd5aner: | those logs will tell what it's trying to do when you start the playback of the file you say it won't play |
| [17:45:39] | ViperSBT: | Do I have to do something to enable logging? I have logs for everything but mythfrontend. |
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| [17:46:22] | dfgas-cr48: | skd5aner, are you a charter user? |
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| [17:55:25] | ViperSBT: | OK, got it... http://pastebin.com/Ew8wRdJn |
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| [18:06:48] | dfgas-cr48: | where is the front end option to always stream from the backsend? |
| [18:06:57] | wagnerrp: | i believe it is gone |
| [18:07:07] | dfgas-cr48: | crap |
| [18:07:14] | wagnerrp: | it really didn't make any sense anyway |
| [18:07:18] | dfgas-cr48: | people are saying that would fix it |
| [18:07:29] | wagnerrp: | doubtful |
| [18:08:27] | dfgas-cr48: | certain channels give me that error, and after i click ok and try to load live tv again it won't start it, it basically locks up |
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| [18:14:07] | tonsofpcs: | is there a shortcut key for 'go to live' when watching a program that is currently recording? |
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| [18:21:00] | tonsofpcs: | anyway, I'm thinking this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880101007 + http://microcenter.com/product/388110/EL1352G . . . Refurbished# + http://microcenter.com/product/354355/01G-P3- . . . 6_Video_Card + 1TB HDD on-hand. This will be backend and front-end. |
| [18:21:57] | tonsofpcs: | also, if I have four tuners and only ever get four channels (each has a TS with multiple PSs but there's four RF channels), is there a way that I can fix-tune them so that I can access them from other devices without conflict? |
| [18:22:06] | tonsofpcs: | (they're HDHomeRun Duals) |
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| [18:23:35] | wagnerrp: | i didn't even know they made AM3 boards with ancient 6150 chipsets |
| [18:23:50] | wagnerrp: | i'm pretty sure my 8200 is only an AM2 board |
| [18:24:23] | ViperSBT: | skd5aner: Any thoughts on that log? |
| [18:24:59] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: heh. I didn't know they made machines that cheap that you could plug cards into :) |
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| [18:30:36] | tonsofpcs: | (and expect them to work, that is) :) |
| [18:31:16] | wagnerrp: | how are you connecting this to your TV? |
| [18:31:40] | tonsofpcs: | me? |
| [18:31:43] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [18:31:53] | wagnerrp: | i mean, how do you plan to? |
| [18:32:04] | tonsofpcs: | what tv? :) It's going HDMI to the HT Receiver and HDMI from that to the projector. |
| [18:32:19] | wagnerrp: | in that case, you'll need a GT200 series or better |
| [18:32:26] | wagnerrp: | the older cards didn't support audio |
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| [18:32:41] | tonsofpcs: | can I use a sound card with S/PDIF optical out? |
| [18:33:03] | wagnerrp: | if you wanted... the motherboard probably has digital output of some sort |
| [18:33:04] | tonsofpcs: | (I have a spare one of those that I bought with a GT420 for my workstation because the driver at the time had issues with audio but it doesn't anymore) |
| [18:33:20] | wagnerrp: | however understand that SPDIF is very bandwidth limited |
| [18:33:30] | wagnerrp: | you're talking old AC3, DTS, or 2-channel LPCM |
| [18:33:40] | tonsofpcs: | I'm using ATSC. It's all A/52 anyway. |
| [18:33:48] | wagnerrp: | no multichannell LPCM, or any of the new HD formats |
| [18:34:44] | tonsofpcs: | and S/PDIF can convey multichannel PCM, it's just dirty and probably not supported by anything :) |
| [18:35:03] | wagnerrp: | technically, the standard is limited to 2Mbps |
| [18:35:31] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130606 |
| [18:35:35] | wagnerrp: | and it's fanless to boot |
| [18:36:07] | tonsofpcs: | 96kHz * 2 * 16 = 3 Mbit... |
| [18:36:18] | xris: | amazing what you can get for so cheap these days. |
| [18:36:21] | ** tonsofpcs toggles the 'pro' bit :) ** | |
| [18:36:34] | wagnerrp: | 3? for some reason i remember 2... |
| [18:36:50] | tonsofpcs: | if the pro bit isn't set, I don't think 96 is technically supported |
| [18:36:55] | wagnerrp: | anyway, i'd pay considerably more just for the fanless |
| [18:37:07] | wagnerrp: | i've had bad experiences with those crappy little GPU fans |
| [18:37:13] | wagnerrp: | they always seem to give out on me |
| [18:37:23] | wagnerrp: | i don't have a single GPU in my home with a working fan any longer |
| [18:37:35] | tonsofpcs: | yea, good idea :) |
| [18:37:49] | wagnerrp: | i picked up a massive fanless replacement cooler for my desktop |
| [18:38:04] | wagnerrp: | and wired in a big 80mm fan on top of one of the other desktops in the house |
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| [18:41:47] | tonsofpcs: | but that machine seems sane for this purpose otherwise? |
| [18:41:48] | ViperSBT: | OK, I retried another AVI file using -v all and copied out the pertinent log data here: http://pastebin.com/cmAteKU2 |
| [18:42:09] | wagnerrp: | well there's your problem |
| [18:42:23] | wagnerrp: | you have it using an external player |
| [18:43:09] | stuartm: | bah, I'm removing that code for 0.27, serves no purpose any more except to trip people up |
| [18:43:09] | ViperSBT: | wagnerrp: it says internal |
| [18:43:15] | wagnerrp: | exactly |
| [18:43:27] | wagnerrp: | need to be "Internal" |
| [18:43:53] | ViperSBT: | Really?!?!? Everything else plays normally.... Let me give that a shot... |
| [18:43:55] | stuartm: | ViperSBT: internal is internal, not run from the command line, it would be the default anyway |
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| [18:44:10] | stuartm: | just remove all the filetype associations you've got now |
| [18:44:13] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: capitalization is important |
| [18:44:17] | stuartm: | delete the lot of them |
| [18:44:27] | wagnerrp: | logs say it's trying to run the "internal" application on the command line |
| [18:44:34] | wagnerrp: | and failing because it doens't exist |
| [18:45:05] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: aye I know, but only if you insist on creating associations for each filetype, no association means it just uses the internal player |
| [18:45:18] | wagnerrp: | ah, i see what you're saying |
| [18:45:26] | wagnerrp: | it's probably just remnants from an old installtion |
| [18:45:32] | stuartm: | it's redundant to create an association for .avi and set the player to Internal |
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| [19:27:16] | ViperSBT: | How do I cause Mythbackend to wait for MySQL instead of just failing? |
| [19:27:58] | wagnerrp: | wait for mysql? |
| [19:28:30] | ViperSBT: | Yes on boot, MySQL isn't loading quick enough for mythbackend and it fails |
| [19:28:45] | wagnerrp: | fix your init scripts to make it load quick enough |
| [19:29:28] | wagnerrp: | there may be something you can abuse with the WOL delays |
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| [19:29:33] | wagnerrp: | i've never used that mechanism |
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| [19:30:27] | neufeld: | Before starting up the backend, loop until "mysql mythconverg -e ';'" returns success |
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| [20:25:40] | ViperSBT: | I've optimized my boot up, but still can't figure out why my mythbackend is failing... I thought it was because it was waiting on MySQL, but the log shows that it started... When I look at the status it says Failed and there is no muthbackend logfile being generated to look at... |
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| [20:32:36] | stuartm: | ViperSBT: was the network up? |
| [20:33:23] | stuartm: | although that shouldn't matter for 0.26-fixes/master |
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| [20:37:13] | ViperSBT: | Yes... |
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| [20:44:02] | stuartm: | there should be _something_ in the log even if it later aborts, does the log directory exist and is writable by the user your running the backend under? |
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| [20:44:40] | ViperSBT: | Yes... If I manually do systemctl start mythbackend it starts and creates a log.... |
| [20:47:22] | neufeld: | Does the backend try to start up before the syslog service? |
| [20:49:47] | neufeld: | You could also stick a "set -x" near the top of the startup script, see if anything helpful appears in the shell trace that results. |
| [20:50:11] | wagnerrp: | !seen jams |
| [20:50:11] | MythLogBot: | jams is here and has been idle for 23 hours 15 minutes 47 seconds |
| [20:54:16] | ViperSBT: | OK, think this should help: http://pastebin.com/DfRbSV7J |
| [20:58:38] | ViperSBT: | Looking at the MySQL log: http://pastebin.com/QJAkrVtH they are right on top of each other... |
| [21:00:09] | neufeld: | ViperSBT: let's make sure it's a timing issue. If you put a "sleep 10" into the mythbackend startup script, does everything work? If so, it's a race. If not, it indicates that something about the script environment during bootup is incorrect, but when invoked from the shell it gets what it needs. |
| [21:01:27] | neufeld: | If it's a race with mysql, try that thing I posted before. Put this into the script before the backend startup: "while ! mysql mythconverg -e ';' ; do sleep 1 ; done " |
| [21:04:40] | neufeld: | ViperSBT: of course, it should be noted that that script fragment assumes that root has the credentials it needs in its my.cnf, otherwise you might just loop forever on permission denied. |
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| [21:11:54] | ViperSBT: | OK, let me try those... |
| [21:15:48] | ViperSBT: | ok, sleep 10 solved it... |
| [21:16:26] | tonsofpcs: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=813lvXsjbZg&am . . . yer_embedded analogue switch-off in Australia |
| [21:19:42] | neufeld: | ViperSBT: so, it's a race condition. Something's that mythtv needs for startup isn't yet ready. mysql, syslog, network/firewall. Given the error message, mysql sounds likely. |
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| [21:29:12] | ViperSBT: | Well, now with the "while" I'm getting: mythbackend[1220]: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| [21:29:43] | ViperSBT: | So, you called that... |
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| [21:30:04] | ViperSBT: | What do I have to fix, and why did I not use to have this problem? |
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| [21:45:17] | neufeld: | ViperSBT: you've got a couple of choices. You can either run the mysql query as the mythtv user (or whatever the backend runs as), or you can give the root user permissions to the database. |
| [21:47:02] | ViperSBT: | running as the mythtv user seems to make the most sense, but how do I accomplish that from within the init script... Sorry, first time playing around with these scripts |
| [21:47:57] | neufeld: | ViperSBT: ... ; if ! su mythtv -c "mysql mythconverg -e ';'" ; then .. |
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| [22:02:46] | ViperSBT: | neufeld: Thanks... |
| [22:03:00] | ViperSBT: | wagnerrp: you too... :) |
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| [22:46:05] | teo_333: | hello |
| [22:46:11] | teo_333: | need help please |
| [22:46:22] | teo_333: | can someone help me? |
| [22:46:38] | teo_333: | i'll try to configure legatonetstream in XBMC |
| [22:46:51] | wagnerrp: | so? |
| [22:47:46] | ** wagnerrp suggests teo_333 look at the channel name ** | |
| [22:48:05] | teo_333: | i can't do it |
| [22:48:18] | teo_333: | i install back and front of mythtv |
| [22:48:27] | teo_333: | but when start configure can't go on |
| [22:48:31] | wagnerrp: | but you're asking about XBMC |
| [22:48:35] | wagnerrp: | we don't support XBMC here |
| [22:48:41] | teo_333: | nono |
| [22:48:47] | teo_333: | i can't configure mythtv |
| [22:48:56] | teo_333: | ill start mythtv setup |
| [22:49:02] | teo_333: | and ask me some option |
| [22:49:10] | teo_333: | i go on and can't configure it |
| [22:49:39] | teo_333: | impossible to connect to database |
| [22:49:41] | wagnerrp: | what are you having trouble configuring, specifically? |
| [22:49:48] | wagnerrp: | is mysqld running? |
| [22:50:16] | teo_333: | i install it |
| [22:50:19] | teo_333: | on my mac |
| [22:50:37] | teo_333: | mysql-5.1.66-osx10.6-x86_64.dmg |
| [22:50:50] | teo_333: | but i don't know where i can see that program |
| [22:51:05] | teo_333: | just install |
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| [22:51:21] | teo_333: | sorry my bad english I'm italian |
| [22:51:27] | teo_333: | i install it |
| [22:51:33] | teo_333: | but now i don't know what to do |
| [22:51:42] | wagnerrp: | im not sure how to run mysqld on OSX, linux is the preferred operating system for mythtv |
| [22:52:04] | teo_333: | ok but i have osx |
| [22:52:10] | teo_333: | and there is a version of it |
| [22:52:10] | wagnerrp: | however before you go any further, mythtv is of little use without tuner cards, and mythtv has limited tuner support for OSX |
| [22:52:16] | wagnerrp: | what are you trying to record using? |
| [22:52:41] | teo_333: | eyetv netstream |
| [22:53:37] | teo_333: | can i? |
| [22:53:54] | wagnerrp: | any chance that is a rebranded HDHomeRun? |
| [22:54:13] | wagnerrp: | probably not |
| [22:54:28] | teo_333: | elgato |
| [22:54:37] | wagnerrp: | the HDHomeRun and derivative devices are the only tuners mythtv supports of that type |
| [22:54:43] | teo_333: | is wifi and ethernet dual debt tuner |
| [22:54:55] | wagnerrp: | i'm not aware if the netstream falls into that category |
| [22:54:57] | wagnerrp: | i don't believe it does |
| [22:55:10] | teo_333: | ok so i can't use it |
| [22:55:21] | teo_333: | i want live tv on my xbmc |
| [22:55:27] | teo_333: | good night |
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