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| [00:35:51] | skd5aner: | nice deal on a 2tb hd – http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-ST2000DM001-Bar . . . /B005T3GRN2/ |
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| [02:37:43] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: wow... haven't seen those kinds of prices since before the flood |
| [02:38:45] | wagnerrp: | scratch that, i never saw those kinds of prices on a 7.2k drive |
| [02:40:13] | skd5aner: | yea, but the reviews on that drive don't look that glowing... good info on one of the 1 star reviews about the differences in platters |
| [02:41:08] | skd5aner: | assuming it's accurate, but it appears to be legit |
| [02:41:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah, comments about reduced performance due to fewer read heads |
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| [02:41:55] | wagnerrp: | still, a 1-star is completely unwarranted |
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| [02:42:05] | wagnerrp: | they're not reviewing the product |
| [02:42:16] | wagnerrp: | they're reviewing the fact that they didn't get the product they expected |
| [02:42:29] | wagnerrp: | they got a cheaper, lesser performing one |
| [02:42:32] | wagnerrp: | and they're pissed |
| [02:42:36] | sphery: | and for mythtv, performance isn't a huge concern (at least with good configuration) |
| [02:42:49] | wagnerrp: | i'm pretty sure i've got one of those hard drives in my backend |
| [02:42:59] | wagnerrp: | picked it up for $100 at microcenter a couple months back |
| [02:43:15] | sphery: | I'm thinking of ordering one even though I don't need it yet |
| [02:43:27] | skd5aner: | I've been very happy with the samsung F3 and F4 drives |
| [02:43:30] | sphery: | (now I probably have to--just jinxed myself into a failing HDD) |
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| [02:45:27] | N0BOX: | all of my seagate barracuda 1tb drives are dying |
| [02:45:39] | N0BOX: | I have had them for 1.5–2 years |
| [02:45:40] | skd5aner: | My wife just decided to schedule a metric ton of childrens christmas shows and movies |
| [02:45:59] | N0BOX: | well, no... all of them are at least 2 years old |
| [02:45:59] | skd5aner: | and my 3 drives are all 95% right now |
| [02:46:08] | N0BOX: | but not much older than that |
| [02:46:51] | N0BOX: | anyway, I had 4 1tb seagate barracuda 7200rpm drives in a raid10 configuration |
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| [02:47:34] | N0BOX: | in july, one of the threw a S.M.A.R.T. error and died a couple of days later... I ordered a drive to replace it |
| [02:48:00] | skd5aner: | Yea, none of my recording drives are in an array or backed up – so I'm pretty much rolling the dice as it is, no need to stack the deck in the wrong direction |
| [02:48:09] | N0BOX: | one month later, a second drive threw an error... it lasted about a month before dying |
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| [02:48:59] | N0BOX: | two weeks ago the third drive threw an error, and I'm waiting for it to die right now |
| [02:49:09] | N0BOX: | I have a drive waiting to replace it |
| [02:49:20] | [R]: | where did it throw it? |
| [02:49:28] | N0BOX: | so I have one barracuda to go |
| [02:50:21] | williammanda: | wagnerrp, did you see my transcode question? |
| [02:51:14] | wagnerrp: | saw it, no idea what the problem is |
| [02:51:54] | N0BOX: | I've decided to replace my drives with WDs that have 5 year warranties |
| [02:52:08] | wagnerrp: | don't those seagates have 3yr warranties? |
| [02:52:23] | N0BOX: | mine had 1 or 2-year warranties |
| [02:52:45] | N0BOX: | the only seagate drives that I've seen with 3 year warranties are the constellations |
| [02:52:45] | wagnerrp: | sphery: might want to check the wiki and these database backup scripts |
| [02:53:10] | wagnerrp: | honestly, anything over 3yr isn't really worth it in my opinion |
| [02:53:24] | wagnerrp: | after three years, i'm likely to be in need of more storage |
| [02:53:45] | wagnerrp: | and replacement drives would only end up used as scratch space or offline backups |
| [02:54:45] | N0BOX: | it is really annoying to have to spend a huge portion of your monthly income for three months very close together on stuff that you didn't expect to have to replace |
| [02:55:34] | N0BOX: | the thing is, my drives had only just outlived their warranty |
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| [02:57:34] | N0BOX: | I've been really tempted to buy those 2 and 3TB barracudas lately |
| [02:57:54] | N0BOX: | the western digital 2tb 7200rpm drives are just too expensive |
| [02:58:39] | N0BOX: | I'll probably end up getting a few of those 2tb barracudas or a couple of 3tb barracudas |
| [02:59:00] | N0BOX: | WD doesn't even seem to have a 3tb 7200rpm drive out right now |
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| [02:59:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: seems the .pl one backs up recording files and the .sh runs mythconverg_backup.pl |
| [03:00:08] | wagnerrp: | oh, i was expecting they had duplicated the capability of mythconverg_backup |
| [03:00:19] | sphery: | yeah, that's what I feared at first |
| [03:01:12] | sphery: | haven't looked in detail but it doesn't seem something that needs to be shut down quick time |
| [03:03:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, did you see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Windows_Watc . . . p;rcid=63362 |
| [03:03:57] | wagnerrp: | customtoken/protocol stuff? |
| [03:04:00] | sphery: | yeah |
| [03:04:14] | sphery: | so they can use a protocol without speaking it |
| [03:04:23] | wagnerrp: | lovely... |
| [03:04:36] | sphery: | couldn't all of that program be reimplemented using the services api stuff? |
| [03:04:48] | sphery: | at which point they wouldn't need the protocol they don't speak |
| [03:04:52] | wagnerrp: | i don't think we have livetv access yet |
| [03:04:59] | sphery: | ahhh, didn't know that had it, either |
| [03:05:08] | wagnerrp: | it did at one point |
| [03:06:08] | sphery: | yeah, I'm not questioning you--I don't know anything about the program |
| [03:06:15] | sphery: | just suprised it did |
| [03:07:13] | sphery: | hehe, and now look at all the supported versions: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Windows_Watc . . . p;rcid=63368 |
| [03:07:23] | sphery: | amazing what a custom token option gets you |
| [03:07:44] | sphery: | I /do/ however have a problem calling those versions "supported" |
| [03:07:58] | wagnerrp: | without looking at the code, they may very well be supported |
| [03:08:15] | wagnerrp: | notice they only go up to 0.25 |
| [03:08:26] | wagnerrp: | meaning they never corrected for the timezone changes |
| [03:08:37] | sphery: | that change added in 0.26 |
| [03:08:42] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [03:09:11] | sphery: | oh, SVN |
| [03:09:43] | sphery: | so, yeah, might be changing it more than just "put in your version's token and hope for the best" |
| [03:11:23] | wagnerrp: | it's pretty messy how support is handled |
| [03:11:23] | skd5aner: | I need a new "workstation"... I've been putting up with my desktop for way too long now |
| [03:11:33] | wagnerrp: | tons of if checks |
| [03:11:43] | skd5aner: | can't decide if I should go with a small form factor desktop, or a laptop with docking station |
| [03:11:46] | wagnerrp: | they should have a single standard interface class |
| [03:11:54] | wagnerrp: | and subclass it for different versions |
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| [03:12:16] | wagnerrp: | if you need a workstation... neither? |
| [03:12:41] | ** wagnerrp probably has a different interpretation of "workstation" than most ** | |
| [03:12:53] | skd5aner: | yea, I'm not talking about enterprise class workstations... |
| [03:13:14] | skd5aner: | I really mean, "primary computer" for home |
| [03:13:20] | skd5aner: | and I don't really game anymore |
| [03:13:40] | skd5aner: | Just thinking about ditching the full size towers |
| [03:13:41] | wagnerrp: | in that case... neither? |
| [03:13:48] | wagnerrp: | E_NOTENOUGHMONITORS |
| [03:14:24] | skd5aner: | heh – dual is all I care about... 3 might be nice, but I don't really want to give up the desk real estae |
| [03:14:26] | skd5aner: | estate |
| [03:14:48] | wagnerrp: | E_INSUFFICIENTDESKSIZE |
| [03:14:58] | skd5aner: | Nah, desk is rather huge, actually |
| [03:15:04] | skd5aner: | like 4x6 |
| [03:15:16] | wagnerrp: | build a monitor stand |
| [03:15:37] | skd5aner: | meh |
| [03:16:42] | skd5aner: | 3 years ago, I would say "yea, I should do that"... now I spend so much less time at my desk, and I already invested in a nice dual monitor kvm, so I'll stick with 2 for a while |
| [03:17:08] | skd5aner: | and, work only gives me a laptop and docking station, so 2 max for that anyway |
| [03:18:59] | skd5aner: | how many do you use? |
| [03:19:38] | wagnerrp: | just three, plus two laptops as additional X servers |
| [03:20:16] | skd5aner: | do you use something like synergy for the laptops? |
| [03:20:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [03:21:18] | skd5aner: | I wish I could something like that, but I can't dual home my work machine |
| [03:21:41] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [03:22:24] | wagnerrp: | dual boot? |
| [03:22:35] | skd5aner: | VPN takes over |
| [03:22:46] | skd5aner: | can't route to local LAN |
| [03:22:52] | wagnerrp: | so don't run your work disk |
| [03:22:58] | wagnerrp: | make a little NFSboot |
| [03:24:03] | skd5aner: | Well, what I was saying is that I'd like it if I could simply switch between my personal device and my work using synergy |
| [03:25:04] | skd5aner: | would be nice to see both at the same time... and just mouse over as needed |
| [03:25:17] | skd5aner: | rather than use the physical KVM |
| [03:25:37] | wagnerrp: | how is it that you cannot access the local network? |
| [03:25:55] | wagnerrp: | it removes the whole subnet from the routing table, and leaves only that one host? |
| [03:25:59] | skd5aner: | The VPN client forces everything to route via the connection |
| [03:26:17] | wagnerrp: | that's some real low level trickery |
| [03:26:41] | skd5aner: | Yea, I work for a company that's extremely paranoid |
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| [03:31:47] | skd5aner: | It's actually not uncommon for VPN clients to force all traffic through the tunnel |
| [03:32:13] | wagnerrp: | sure, but it's usually not tough to work around it |
| [03:32:23] | wagnerrp: | they just set that as the default route |
| [03:32:30] | wagnerrp: | so you make sure to add routes for the stuff you want |
| [03:32:31] | skd5aner: | there's generally settings to allow dual, or split, tunneling... but it's enforced by policy at my company, I can't modify the setting |
| [03:35:56] | skd5aner: | hmmm – http://geekstentialism.blogspot.com/2011/09/u . . . nel-vpn.html |
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| [04:15:15] | dfgas-cr48: | hello |
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| [04:16:08] | dfgas-cr48: | how would i change a channel in the guide to pull data from a different channel? what i mean is i have a channel that is 81–7 but it actually is channel 612 or channel 12 |
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| [04:19:34] | dfgas-cr48: | the channel is really 81–7 but i need it to get guidedata for either 612 or 12 |
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| [04:20:03] | wagnerrp: | go into the channel editor, and set the XMLTV ID to match that found on schedules direct |
| [04:20:36] | dfgas-cr48: | i did that and it didn't work :( hmmmm |
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| [04:29:35] | dfgas-cr48: | wagnerrp, i don't select use on air guide right? |
| [04:29:47] | wagnerrp: | correct, you do not want on-air guide |
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| [04:33:01] | dfgas-cr48: | hmmm, wonder why its not working right |
| [04:33:26] | dfgas-cr48: | i change the xmlid and thats it? leave the channel number the same right? |
| [04:33:58] | wagnerrp: | set the channel number anything you want |
| [04:34:03] | wagnerrp: | xmltvid is all that matters |
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| [04:36:13] | dfgas-cr48: | ahhh |
| [04:36:22] | dfgas-cr48: | how do i know it is downloading the info? |
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| [04:53:01] | dfgas-cr48: | wagnerrp, any idea? |
| [05:06:18] | dfgas-cr48: | wagnerrp, weird, now it is there |
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| [06:27:42] | ArfaSmif: | Hello mythtv-users. New chatter here. I've just upgraded from 0.25 to 0.26 on Fedora 17 and am having trouble with the timezone in mythweb. I have followed all instructions and mysql is working OK. I even have the correct tv listings for Australia/Brisbane. My problem is that mythweb is displaying tv listings 10 hours out of sync. I am in the GMT+10 timezone but I can't work out how to fix this. |
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| [07:00:36] | kormoc: | ArfaSmif, we (myth web) gets the timezone from the backend, is the backend set to the correct timezone? |
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| [07:48:42] | ArfaSmif: | kormoc, how do I check that the backend has the correct timezone? |
| [07:49:51] | kormoc: | ArfaSmif, log in, run date and make sure the timezone it shows is correct |
| [07:56:06] | ArfaSmif: | kormoc, the system timezone is correct. running "date" gives me the correct answer |
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| [07:56:34] | kormoc: | ArfaSmif, and if you log into mysql and run SELECT NOW(); is it correct? |
| [07:58:12] | ArfaSmif: | kormoc, yes it is |
| [07:59:03] | kormoc: | ArfaSmif, if you run `php -i | grep timezone` on the web server, is it correct there? |
| [07:59:49] | ArfaSmif: | kormoc, yes it is. It returns Australia/Brisbane |
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| [08:00:06] | kormoc: | those are the only three moving pieces of the puzzle |
| [08:00:10] | ** kormoc scratches his head ** | |
| [08:00:48] | ArfaSmif: | kormoc, I've been battling this for three days ... |
| [08:01:05] | kormoc: | anything in the apache logs? |
| [08:02:54] | ArfaSmif: | kormoc, the apache logs look fiine. I just accessed mythweb and the access log shows the correct date/time |
| [08:03:51] | ArfaSmif: | it looks like this [28/Nov/2012:18:02:13 +1000] Is the +1000 a problem? |
| [08:04:45] | kormoc: | nope, that's fine |
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| [08:06:36] | Blaksmith: | HI there.. got a weird issue .. just finally got my system converted to gentoo.. got mythtv installed... (back end on a different machine, still working ok) .. mythfrontend works, sees the back end, etc.. i'm able to select something to watch, but when I do, i get the audio, but no video .. just a black screen with " Please Wait" .. |
| [08:06:42] | Blaksmith: | I hear it playing though |
| [08:07:24] | Blaksmith: | is there something simple I'm missing? |
| [08:15:38] | ArfaSmif: | kormoc, BTW the frontend gets the correct data from the backend. all dates/times are fine. |
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| [12:21:46] | stuartm: | Blaksmith: I'd start by looking at the frontend log (console output if no logfile has been specified), if that doesn't immediately tell you what the problem is then copy it to pastebin and post the url here for others to look at |
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| [14:41:13] | sphery: | [24071] |
| [14:41:13] | MythLogBot: | SVN 24071: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/myththemes/commit/10d41a4f |
| [14:41:39] | sphery: | hehe, MythLogBot is lurking anonymously |
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| [16:41:17] | yunosh: | hi! how can i convince the metadata grabber that a recording is a series? i've read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Enhancing_Recordin . . . bleshooting, the recording has a subtitle, i tried setting series and episode numbers in both (exclusively) the recording rule and the recorded show, but it still runs the tmdb grabber |
| [16:44:36] | IReboot: | yunosh: episode number is the key as tvdb can has specials which are identified as season zero but there is ALWAYS a non-zero episode number. MythTV checks that the episode number is non-zero to determine which grabber to use between movies and TV Series. |
| [16:45:27] | yunosh: | hm, any idea why it doesn't work then? and are you positive that this is true for recordings too, not just recording rules? |
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| [16:48:17] | yunosh: | here is something: looking at the database, i see in the "recorded" table, that for those episodes where the lookup fails, i have something like "Movie – Soap/melodrama/folkloric" in the category, while the others that work have "drama" or similar. not sure where the category comes from? epg? |
| [16:49:26] | Blaksmith: | stuartm, thanks for pointing me to look further in the console .. it looks like I'm not added to the video group... will have to do a complete relog to activate the group :) .. will let you know |
| [16:52:05] | IReboot: | yunosh: The categories are far too variable to use for such decision making as the quality of EPG data is very dependant on its source and which country. I am quite sure that episode number is the key. |
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| [16:53:24] | yunosh: | okay, i trust you. though that doesn't get me further unfortunately, because it even doesn't work when setting the episode |
| [16:54:02] | IReboot: | yunosh: I think you can try an experiment yourself by using the recording rule editor on the frontend and setting the season and episode manually then doing a look up of the artwork. Then check the backend logs to see which grabber was used. |
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| [16:54:32] | JoeyJoeJo: | It's been several years since I've used myth. Do you still need to buy a subscription to schedules direct to get listings? |
| [16:54:39] | yunosh: | that's what i do |
| [16:54:46] | JoeyJoeJo: | And can myth pull in listings from my OTA antenna? My TV does that |
| [16:55:01] | IReboot: | yunosh: I am assuming you are using v0.25 or higher |
| [16:55:10] | yunosh: | yes, 0.26-fixes |
| [16:56:16] | IReboot: | yunosh: Does the recording rule already have an reference number and is it one from TTVDB or TMDB? |
| [16:56:34] | yunosh: | it has one from ttvdb |
| [16:58:33] | IReboot: | yunosh: So the recording rule has a ttvdb reference number, season number and episode number (all verified on the ttvdb site) but when you look up artwork in the interface the tmdb.py grabber is used? Did you check your settings for the TV grabber? |
| [16:58:58] | IReboot: | yunosh: Season and episode numbers are non-zero? |
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| [16:59:48] | yunosh: | no, they are zero. that's why i run the grabber, i want it to update the episode numbers like it does with other series perfectly. my epg doesn't provide those |
| [17:00:23] | yunosh: | i only set them them to s01e01 to test if that works at all. |
| [17:01:13] | Blaksmith: | stuartm, nope.. the group issue was not the problem .. here's a pastebin http://pastebin.com/pqJ7Susn |
| [17:02:25] | IReboot: | yunosh: Do you run MythWeb. If you do try clicking the "Look Up Metadata" button on a scheduled TV series recording. See if that picks up the correct season and episode number. |
| [17:02:48] | Blaksmith: | for anyone else who wishes to help, When I try to watch live tv or a recording, I have audio just fine, but black screen with "Please Wait" on it. no video |
| [17:03:09] | yunosh: | IReboot: yes, that works fine |
| [17:03:41] | IReboot: | yunosh: That would indicate that your grabber setting are correct. |
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| [17:03:54] | IReboot: | s/setting/settings/ |
| [17:04:16] | yunosh: | i would have been surprised if they weren't. :) they work fine in other places too |
| [17:04:59] | stuartm: | JoeyJoeJo: it can use the OTA (EIT) listings, but generally in the US those are only ~3 days worth and quality is apparently not great, so most people prefer to pay a measly few $ a year for the SD listings (14 days worth) |
| [17:05:38] | yunosh: | IReboot: though this means that mythweb is determining tmdb vs. ttvdb in a different way than mythtvmetadatalookup |
| [17:06:17] | IReboot: | yunosh: Unlikely but I never specifically checked. |
| [17:06:48] | stuartm: | the situation is different in the rest of the world, with at least 7 days of good OTA data and up to14 days of free data online, but then the American TV networks are fragmented and to a certain extent completely dysfunctional |
| [17:07:01] | IReboot: | yunosh: Not sure what else to suggest. |
| [17:07:16] | yunosh: | thanks for your help so far anyway |
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| [17:14:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | I think that in the U.S. for-profit TV networks can't be bothered to give something away for free (good EIT data) if most people using DVRs are paying for it some other way (Tivo, Windows MCE, Dish Network/DirectTV Satellite services, etc.). may also have to do with the fact that most housholds have cable or satellite with their own guide data system. |
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| [17:24:55] | yunosh: | IReboot: for the record, it's the category_type column of the recordedprogram table that determined movies from series. use the source luke! :) |
| [17:25:13] | yunosh: | no idea why it has different values for different recordings of the same rule though |
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| [18:45:36] | GlemSom: | I've upgraded from 0.24 to 0.26-fixes – but I haven't had much luck yet :/ Besides some stability issues with the backend – my frontend is now acting up too... I cannot access recordings due to: "ALSA: Error opening /proc/asound/card0/pcm1p/sub0/prealloc. Fix reading permissions."... And, I've never had that pcm1p fonder in proc. What could be wrong here ? |
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