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| [01:22:30] | nvzn: | hey, is there a way to dump the mythtv password in the shell? |
| [01:22:33] | nvzn: | i need to plug it in to a frontend |
| [01:22:35] | wagnerrp: | do you mean the mysql password? |
| [01:22:38] | nvzn: | i guess |
| [01:22:50] | wagnerrp: | it is stored in ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [01:22:55] | nvzn: | cool |
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| [01:46:24] | plut0: | do i need to define the tuners on every frontend to be able to watch livetv? |
| [01:46:41] | wagnerrp: | no, you define the tuners on the backend that is to record off them |
| [01:47:29] | plut0: | wagnerrp: when i start watch tv on my new frontend it fails with, GetChannelData() failed because it could not find channel number '11' in DB for source '6'. |
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| [01:50:51] | plut0: | any idea why? |
| [01:51:14] | wagnerrp: | better to read backend logs when it comes to diagnosing recording errors |
| [01:51:22] | plut0: | that was from the backend |
| [01:51:39] | wagnerrp: | could i see some context? |
| [01:51:52] | plut0: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/HZiSp0sM |
| [01:52:52] | wagnerrp: | my only guess is you messed up the channel table somehow |
| [01:53:09] | plut0: | my other frontend works fine |
| [01:53:10] | wagnerrp: | what kind of tuner is this? how did you get your channels? |
| [01:53:16] | plut0: | hdhomeru |
| [01:53:19] | wagnerrp: | works fine on these dame tuners? |
| [01:53:20] | plut0: | hdhomerun* |
| [01:53:24] | wagnerrp: | HDHR? or HDHR Prime? |
| [01:53:29] | plut0: | prime |
| [01:53:45] | wagnerrp: | with channels pulled from your schedules direct lineup? |
| [01:53:50] | plut0: | yes |
| [01:54:05] | wagnerrp: | did you by chance reuse this video source for non-cablecard tuners? |
| [01:54:39] | plut0: | how would you do that? |
| [01:55:00] | wagnerrp: | by mapping the video source to multiple inputs in mythtv-setup |
| [01:55:11] | wagnerrp: | the lineup you use for your HDHR Prime can only be used for cablecard tuners |
| [01:55:31] | wagnerrp: | any other type of tuner, you would need a second video source with a separate list of channels |
| [01:55:32] | plut0: | the card has 3 inputs |
| [01:55:52] | wagnerrp: | correct, and you should have used one video source for all three |
| [01:56:25] | plut0: | i have 2 videosources |
| [01:58:52] | wagnerrp: | you should only have the one, mapped to all three of those inputs |
| [01:59:17] | plut0: | i think it found 2 when i set it up, one was labeled cable the other digital |
| [01:59:31] | plut0: | wasn't sure what the difference was so i added both |
| [01:59:37] | wagnerrp: | meaning you created two lineups on your SD account |
| [01:59:51] | plut0: | yes |
| [02:01:09] | plut0: | ok the cable one only has like 10 channels |
| [02:01:59] | plut0: | looks like i can delete that one |
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| [02:05:50] | plut0: | wagnerrp: ok i deleted the other video source |
| [02:05:59] | plut0: | wagnerrp: its still throwing the same error though |
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| [02:19:36] | wagnerrp: | are you sure you are using the same database for both frontends? |
| [02:19:49] | wagnerrp: | you seemed to think you needed to set up the tuner a second time |
| [02:24:47] | plut0: | wagnerrp: i fixed it |
| [02:31:58] | BobLfoot: | Interesting I followed the www.mythtv.org/wiki/S-Video/Composite_Input_Recording and it did not work until I issued the command "v4l2-ctl -d /dev/video2 --set-input=1" now after disconnecting the Analog RF Coax and rebooting it works as advertised. Does that sound normal? |
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| [02:48:49] | plut0: | wagnerrp: do you know anything about the kernel based lirc modules? wondering how to configure .lircrc when there is no lircd.conf |
| [02:49:06] | wagnerrp: | you still need a lircd.conf |
| [02:49:18] | plut0: | well the remote works without one |
| [02:49:26] | wagnerrp: | lircd.conf tells lircd how to convert the IR signals into named commands |
| [02:49:37] | wagnerrp: | then lircrc turns the name commands into keypresses for mythtv |
| [02:50:08] | wagnerrp: | if you are not using a lircd.conf, and not running lircd, then you are using the Xorg event subsystem |
| [02:50:28] | wagnerrp: | and need to configure the inputs directly within the frontend keybindings |
| [02:51:03] | plut0: | wagnerrp: i'm not able to compile lirc against my 3.5 kernel so i used the one in the kernel itself |
| [02:51:39] | wagnerrp: | what version of lirc are you trying to compile? |
| [02:51:47] | plut0: | 0.9.0 |
| [02:51:59] | wagnerrp: | LIRC does not exist in the kernel, only the hardware drivers are in the kernel |
| [02:52:08] | plut0: | right |
| [02:52:13] | wagnerrp: | build lirc with only support for devinput |
| [02:52:31] | plut0: | ok let me try that |
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| [02:53:51] | plut0: | wagnerrp: do i have to disable xorg from using it as a mouse/keyboard? |
| [02:54:18] | wagnerrp: | yes, or make sure lircd grabs it before X can |
| [02:54:27] | plut0: | wagnerrp: how do i disable X from using it? |
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| [03:00:04] | plut0: | hmm |
| [03:00:21] | plut0: | i shutdown X and the remote is still being used as a mouse/keyboard on the console |
| [03:00:27] | plut0: | irrecord doesn't find anything |
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| [04:16:12] | rumblebumble: | wanted to know this bug has been reported, watching recorded tv, new recording starts, mythfrontend freezes and recordings fail. I have had it happen a few times. I am using 0.26 (via mythbuntu ppa), hd-pvr recording source. Anyone ever have this happen or heard it reported? |
| [04:17:09] | wagnerrp: | i seem to have somehow cut my arm |
| [04:17:13] | wagnerrp: | i dont remember doing it |
| [04:17:29] | rumblebumble: | lol, things like that happen to me too |
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| [09:54:40] | zoran119: | myth has decided that 'This episode will be recorded at a later time instead.' |
| [09:54:45] | zoran119: | how do i override this? |
| [09:55:01] | zoran119: | the show has already started (been running for a couple of minutes) but i don't care... |
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| [10:15:48] | stuartm: | zoran119: select the recording in 'upcoming recordings', hit SELECT/ENTER and select 'Record anyway' |
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| [13:37:54] | stuartm: | my heart sinks when I read people saying that buying an expensive HDMI cable has 'definitely improved picture quality and colour' |
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| [13:52:10] | IReboot: | stuartm: There should be a law;) |
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| [14:59:41] | uh992k: | hi all |
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| [15:10:10] | uh992k: | hmm ... mythtv doesn't compile anymore since yesterday |
| [15:10:20] | uh992k: | make[2]: *** Keine Regel vorhanden, um das Target »../libmythbase/msocketdevice.h«, |
| [15:10:20] | uh992k: | benötigt von »backendselect.o«, zu erstellen. Schluss. |
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| [15:20:49] | stuartm: | uh992k: make distclean |
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| [15:21:21] | uh992k: | hmm thx ... I'll try that ... Did only make clean |
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| [15:40:53] | wagnerrp_: | stuartm: surely not on our mailing list |
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| [15:52:02] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: nah, amazon reviews |
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| [18:57:55] | williammanda: | question about transcoding.... |
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| [19:00:57] | williammanda: | I have finished my cutlist and after I execute transcode I get an error on the frontend system status > job queue for the program I'm trying to transcode....unrecoverable error |
| [19:01:16] | williammanda: | when I look at the backend log I see this... |
| [19:01:33] | williammanda: | Nov 25 12:05:58 CI7 mythbackend[2096]: E ProcessRequest mainserver.cpp:4669 (HandleDeleteFile) Unable to find 1634_20121123170000.mpg.tmp in HandleDeleteFile() |
| [19:01:56] | williammanda: | and this....Nov 25 12:05:59 CI7 mythbackend[2096]: I Transcode_997 jobqueue.cpp:2082 (DoTranscodeThread) JobQueue: Transcode Errored: "Everybody Loves Raymond":"Debra Makes Something Good": High Quality (exit status 255, job status was "Errored") |
| [19:02:13] | williammanda: | any ideas? |
| [19:02:30] | williammanda: | also I'm using 25.3 w/ fixes...the latest with mythbuntu |
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| [20:59:26] | dgbaley27: | Hey. I'm in the market for a capture card (no tuner necessary, just s-video and rca). So far, the only product I'm seeing is the Hauppauge ImpactVCD. Does anyone know of any alternatives? |
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| [21:01:37] | wagnerrp: | usually, the only kinds of those things you find are either for surveillance, or for capturing VHS tapes |
| [21:01:44] | wagnerrp: | you're better off picking up a used PVR-150 |
| [21:01:58] | dgbaley27: | wagnerrp: VHS capture is my goal |
| [21:02:16] | wagnerrp: | then mythtv is not your ideal application |
| [21:02:20] | wagnerrp: | and you still want a PVR-150 |
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| [21:04:36] | dgbaley27: | wagnerrp: Is that because of a hardware encoder? Because I don't mind encoding with my CPU |
| [21:05:29] | wagnerrp: | you may not mind, until you realize how much of a hassle it is |
| [21:06:01] | wagnerrp: | with a PVR-150, you plug the card in, run "cat /dev/video0 > some_video.mpg", and hit play on the VCR |
| [21:06:03] | wagnerrp: | that's it |
| [21:07:06] | dgbaley27: | Ah, so there's decent linux support? Does it interlace / telecine the video? |
| [21:07:53] | wagnerrp: | are you asking that backwards? |
| [21:08:06] | wagnerrp: | all video captured over s-video and composite inputs is interlaced |
| [21:08:15] | dgbaley27: | I meant is the resulting mpeg2 interlaced |
| [21:08:20] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [21:09:36] | devinheitmueller: | dgbaley27: none of those products have built in deinterlacers. |
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| [21:10:39] | dgbaley27: | devinheitmueller: thanks. |
| [21:12:02] | dgbaley27: | I guess I'll try out a used 150, is the AVerMedia one the same thing? |
| [21:12:12] | wagnerrp: | see ivtvdriver.org |
| [21:12:22] | wagnerrp: | there are a number of similar devices using the same chipset |
| [21:12:28] | wagnerrp: | they should all behave more or less the same |
| [21:12:48] | dgbaley27: | Nothing at that site. |
| [21:12:49] | wagnerrp: | last i checked, PVR-150s could usually be found for ~$20 |
| [21:13:11] | wagnerrp: | huh... |
| [21:13:21] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: you know who is in charge of that site? |
| [21:14:02] | devinheitmueller: | I believe Andy walls manages ivtvdriver.org |
| [21:14:28] | wagnerrp: | !seen awalls |
| [21:14:28] | MythLogBot: | awalls was last seen 21 hours 40 minutes 3 seconds ago |
| [21:14:40] | devinheitmueller: | What Avermedia board? I doubt they have a comparable card. |
| [21:14:53] | wagnerrp: | there's an avermedia PVR-150 |
| [21:15:08] | devinheitmueller: | News to me |
| [21:15:15] | devinheitmueller: | Any photos? |
| [21:15:27] | wizbit: | to my shock, i met a ubuntu mythtv users at the weekend at a pub |
| [21:15:32] | wizbit: | *user |
| [21:15:42] | wagnerrp: | M179 i guess |
| [21:15:47] | wagnerrp: | http://web.archive.org/web/20110716150049/htt . . . ted_hardware |
| [21:16:07] | dgbaley27: | devinheitmueller: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100135 |
| [21:16:07] | devinheitmueller: | Well, look at that: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100135 |
| [21:16:11] | devinheitmueller: | heh |
| [21:16:28] | wagnerrp: | go go gadget google |
| [21:16:29] | devinheitmueller: | Looks like a Hauppauge clone. |
| [21:16:42] | devinheitmueller: | Hell, it even has the Hauppauge A/V connector. |
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| [21:16:56] | wagnerrp: | yeah, likely just a rebranding |
| [21:17:21] | wagnerrp: | the RF shield is smaller |
| [21:17:44] | wagnerrp: | but you can still see the larger grounding points on the PCB |
| [21:17:47] | devinheitmueller: | It's either an sanctioned OEM rebranding, or they just cloned it outright. |
| [21:17:58] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, not surprising. Reduces the cogs. |
| [21:19:15] | devinheitmueller: | Looks like an Amity2 clone. |
| [21:19:38] | devinheitmueller: | Without a high-res photo or an eeprom dump, I couldn't say if it's sanctioned. |
| [21:20:26] | dgbaley27: | So, I see these on Amazon, used, for $40 – $60. Not bad. |
| [21:20:57] | devinheitmueller: | Let me see if there's any mention of it in the ivtv driver. One sec. |
| [21:21:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that is bad |
| [21:21:27] | wagnerrp: | if used is $60, i'd just pay a bit more and get a new HVR-1600/-1850 |
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| [21:21:59] | wagnerrp: | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-1 . . . em3a7be89d3d |
| [21:22:13] | wagnerrp: | $15, buy it now |
| [21:22:20] | devinheitmueller: | There is an Avermedia PVR-150 plus in the driver, but there's no knowing if it's the same board. |
| [21:22:48] | dgbaley27: | So, we're getting off mythtv topic here so let me know if I should stop. I just have about 30 home videos from my childhood that I'm realizing are going to be lost forever if I don't do something soon. I don't care about ~$100 hardware. And I'm comfortable with ffmpeg. I don't care about the tuner. |
| [21:24:06] | wagnerrp: | from a linux standpoint, your easiest option is to pick up a PVR-150 or compatible card, use v4lctl to set the proper input, and concatenate MPEG video directly to a file |
| [21:24:16] | wagnerrp: | relatively little effort and you're done |
| [21:24:44] | dgbaley27: | (and I forgot to add that I prefer linux, but am willing to install windows to get this done right) |
| [21:24:45] | wagnerrp: | you *can* get something that will let you capture the raw video directly, allowing you more control over your compression options |
| [21:25:08] | wagnerrp: | but VHS content isn't going to be particularly good quality in the first place |
| [21:25:15] | wagnerrp: | especially not old homemade recordings |
| [21:25:17] | dgbaley27: | wagnerrp: well I probably will transcode to x264 with mencoder's pullup filter |
| [21:25:46] | wagnerrp: | you can always crank up the bitrate on the encoder to something absurd, and clean up the video later |
| [21:25:48] | dgbaley27: | I know the quality is never going to be good, but I can get a better filesize |
| [21:26:10] | dgbaley27: | wagnerrp: is that a module parameter? (the bitrate) |
| [21:26:23] | wagnerrp: | i believe you can manipulate that with v4l2ctl |
| [21:26:43] | wagnerrp: | i know mythtv has access to those controls |
| [21:26:55] | dgbaley27: | Ah, ok, something in /sys then |
| [21:27:02] | dgbaley27: | err, whatever |
| [21:27:11] | wagnerrp: | it may be exposed through sysfs, never bothered to look |
| [21:27:42] | wagnerrp: | and if you really wanted to, you can always access the audio capture and framegrabber nodes directly, and bypass the encoder |
| [21:27:56] | dgbaley27: | flexibility is good =) |
| [21:27:59] | devinheitmueller: | If you're going to run it through filters, just use a raw frame grabber. That way you don't get hit with the loss due to transcode. |
| [21:28:17] | stuartm: | that PVR-150 clone isn't identical to my board, for a start there's nothing at all on the reverse, mine has a few resistors and some other things I can't identify because I'm not an electrical engineer (not even an amateur one) |
| [21:28:24] | dgbaley27: | devinheitmueller: That's why I was originally interested in the ImpactVCD |
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| [21:29:16] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: There have been a few different variants. |
| [21:29:29] | dgbaley27: | I don't know what the bitrate is for raw video but I assumed I could dump to the harddisk at least one VHS at a time, filter, encode, mux, and move on |
| [21:29:43] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: I would have to see some high-def photos. |
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| [21:30:59] | devinheitmueller: | dgbaley27: Assuming relatively recent CPU hardware, you can do it all in one pass without ever writing the raw video to disk. |
| [21:31:24] | devinheitmueller: | dgbaley27: Which ImpactVCD were you looking at? |
| [21:31:47] | dgbaley27: | 01381 |
| [21:32:02] | dgbaley27: | The "normal" one (as far as I can tell). |
| [21:32:09] | devinheitmueller: | Not supported currently. |
| [21:32:21] | devinheitmueller: | They moved to a PCIe design, and the cx23885 driver hasn't been updated. |
| [21:32:25] | stuartm: | heh, my PVR-150 has 2004/2005 copyright markings, I guess it's reasonable that they made revisions in the following years |
| [21:32:33] | dgbaley27: | devinheitmueller: ok, I'm getting the PVR 150 off ebay |
| [21:32:37] | devinheitmueller: | (I could probably make it work in about an hour, but I never asked them for a board) |
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| [21:33:00] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: Yeah, moving all the components to one side of the PCB reduces manufacturing cost. |
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| [21:33:49] | dgbaley27: | devinheitmueller: the CPU isn't relatively recent. So it's easy to bypass the encoder with the kernel driver? |
| [21:34:10] | devinheitmueller: | Wow, I hadn't taken a close look at the PCB for the PCIe based ImpactVCB. It's just a HVR-1250 with the tuner and digital demod depopulated. |
| [21:34:24] | devinheitmueller: | dgbaley27: depends on the device. |
| [21:34:42] | devinheitmueller: | With the PVR-150, I don't think raw analog is officially supported in the driver. |
| [21:34:58] | devinheitmueller: | It's there, but through a non-standard interface and delivers a colorspace format that many apps don't support. |
| [21:35:37] | devinheitmueller: | I should get one of those boards. Now that I see what it is, the board profile would probably only take about 15 minutes. |
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| [21:40:02] | dgbaley27: | Hrm. Ok, so I bought the PVR 150 and the PCIe ImpactVCD (in anticipation that you may add support at some point). |
| [21:42:33] | devinheitmueller: | dgbaley27: Well, I don't have a board, so I cannot make any promises to that effect. |
| [21:44:01] | dgbaley27: | devinheitmueller: Will I see a commit, authored by you, under /media/v4l2-core, if you ever do? |
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| [21:44:32] | devinheitmueller: | It would be in media/pci/cx23885/cx23885-cards.c most likely. |
| [21:45:30] | dgbaley27: | Cool. I know you're not committing to it. These cards are just very cheap compared to what the videos are worth |
| [21:46:31] | devinheitmueller: | sure |
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| [21:57:25] | justinh: | professional ex UI testers. Do they all just sit on the fence & criticise projects? |
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| [22:00:29] | wagnerrp: | no, sometimes they complain when told to do something about it |
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| [22:01:37] | justinh: | imagine, somebody whose job it was to appraise UIs .. looking at an open source project & coming out with actual, practical ideas to improve it. How many hours would it take? |
| [22:02:06] | justinh: | oh, and then placating all the people it narked off when their favourite settings moved/disappeared |
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| [22:05:15] | justinh: | and where do all the people who spend hours/days/weeks/months playing with settings come from? My recent frontend reinstall was up & going – and exceeding the previous installation's performance.. within a couple of hours |
| [22:05:39] | justinh: | this was with a new hostname btw.. so effectively a clean sweep of settings |
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| [22:06:36] | wagnerrp: | it's the people who never grasped the concept of "good enough" |
| [22:06:44] | skd5aner: | justinh: I'm not sure it takes people all that long to actually get mythtv working via settings... |
| [22:07:01] | skd5aner: | justinh: it's just that it takes hours/days to actually go through all of them, even if you aren't changing them |
| [22:07:27] | justinh: | heh |
| [22:07:29] | skd5aner: | I hate the way mythtv paginates it's settings across so many topics and sub-topics |
| [22:07:47] | justinh: | it's never been better than it is now though |
| [22:08:27] | wagnerrp: | i wonder just how much code is off sitting on hard drives unreleased because it never hit that "perfect" stat |
| [22:08:31] | wagnerrp: | i know i've got a bunch |
| [22:08:33] | skd5aner: | I'd rather have a large, scrollable page of settings for a topic, with all subtopics on the same page |
| [22:08:50] | justinh: | scrolling with a remote.. not very good |
| [22:08:57] | skd5aner: | why? |
| [22:09:09] | skd5aner: | it works in some of the screens already... like info |
| [22:09:17] | justinh: | you ever tried? AFAICT it's supposed to be dealable with a remote |
| [22:09:27] | wagnerrp: | because you don't have an absolute control like a mouse |
| [22:09:32] | wagnerrp: | you just have arrow keys |
| [22:09:46] | skd5aner: | right... so, arrow down... have a scrollbar that shows position... |
| [22:09:49] | justinh: | infact even the existing screens are a little unweildy for just a remote |
| [22:09:53] | skd5aner: | it ain't that big of a deal |
| [22:10:00] | wagnerrp: | now i don't think it would be too bad to have the screen automatically pan to keep the active control centered |
| [22:10:05] | justinh: | it is. mythui doesn't have a scrollbar does it? ;-) |
| [22:10:09] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, or that |
| [22:10:41] | skd5aner: | I put together a dumb little mockup once... |
| [22:10:52] | justinh: | anyway, for all the people who say xbmc has very few controls by comparison guess what... ? They've gone & added lesser used features in a config file. Heh |
| [22:10:59] | skd5aner: | NO idea where it is now |
| [22:11:13] | justinh: | so the thing with less settings got more settings, by popular demand |
| [22:11:19] | wagnerrp: | justinh: make the settings scroll like the main menu scroll |
| [22:11:41] | justinh: | ideally they shouldn't really have to tweak things to make it just work |
| [22:12:31] | justinh: | people go on & on about playback settings .. thank God I've never really had to dig into playback profiles in anger |
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| [22:14:29] | justinh: | remember a time when I didn't really register that you could hit a 'record' button on the EPG & have mythtv record a show. I thought for a long time you had to drill into the menus |
| [22:15:02] | justinh: | option this, option that.. storage this.. arghhh the show starts in 5! |
| [22:15:07] | justinh: | ;-) |
| [22:15:39] | skd5aner: | justinh: found it – http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=353ca4l&s=6 |
| [22:16:08] | justinh: | ooh, that might work |
| [22:16:53] | justinh: | I dunno what a 'pro' UI designer would say but maybe only have a maximum of *one* submenu |
| [22:17:20] | skd5aner: | yea, if any I guess |
| [22:18:01] | justinh: | I ran out of ideas after my one & only revelation regarding the use of 'U' and 'I' buttons |
| [22:18:19] | skd5aner: | he |
| [22:18:19] | skd5aner: | he |
| [22:18:20] | justinh: | or was it 'Y' & 'I' ? I forget. anyhoo.. |
| [22:18:30] | skd5aner: | grr.... heh |
| [22:18:31] | justinh: | there's only so much you can stuff in one menu |
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| [22:19:27] | skd5aner: | When I created that mockup, I just thought – "how can I translate the simplicity of the settings that modern day software uses on mobile and desktop devices, to the TV"... |
| [22:19:29] | justinh: | reminds me.. I need to hack up the OSD menu theme I'm using.. or make my own to go with the theme |
| [22:19:32] | skd5aner: | that's kinda what I came up with |
| [22:19:41] | justinh: | I think i remember seeing it 1st time around |
| [22:20:01] | skd5aner: | a mashup of apple and google dialog settings |
| [22:20:10] | justinh: | it's touch & go whether I can remember where the aspect ratio control is hidden |
| [22:20:13] | skd5aner: | yea, probably |
| [22:20:31] | stuartm: | skd5aner, justinh: xavierh's patches to rewrite the settings wizard a) scroll b) feature a scroll bar (not mouse interactive through) |
| [22:21:13] | skd5aner: | stuartm: ah – as you know, I've been fairly out of touch and only come around recently because of my own issues :/ didn't realize he was working on it, did he attach a patch to a ticket? |
| [22:21:14] | justinh: | cool |
| [22:21:17] | stuartm: | but those are unlikely to ever get committed unless people test them and provide feedback |
| [22:21:29] | stuartm: | skd5aner: several patches |
| [22:21:31] | justinh: | I've been very out of touch |
| [22:21:54] | justinh: | really scared to update to 0.26 even, so complacent things have become here |
| [22:22:10] | skd5aner: | xavierh: ^^ check out the mockup I created about 3 years ago... might be something you consider incorporating if you are working on this kind of stuff |
| [22:22:13] | justinh: | I mean here in this house here, not the project |
| [22:23:03] | stuartm: | I want a wide spectrum to test the patches before they get committed so that problems get worked out before going 'live' and also because it's a radical change which might not prove popular, in which case I'd rather not have to revert it all at a later date |
| [22:23:13] | stuartm: | skd5aner: he's finished it |
| [22:23:37] | skd5aner: | justinh: normally, I'd be the one trying to push you over the cliff to upgrade... this time, I'm the guy who's waving the flags saying to hold off for a while |
| [22:23:49] | skd5aner: | as much as I hate to say it :/ |
| [22:24:02] | justinh: | livetv not working well.. I'd never see that |
| [22:24:22] | justinh: | back in the day I had spare boxes I could do test builds on, hack my own stuff together... |
| [22:24:27] | justinh: | but I lost my computer room |
| [22:24:33] | skd5aner: | livetv took the first step(s) back in many revisions, but I have other playback issues as well |
| [22:24:53] | stuartm: | and I'd much rather people tested and suggested incremental improvements to xavierh's work than propose entirely different approaches (without any patches), that's how no progress gets made |
| [22:24:54] | skd5aner: | I can live with some of them, painfully... |
| [22:25:03] | skd5aner: | stuartm: true, and fair |
| [22:25:15] | skd5aner: | stuartm: do you have a ticket(s) # I could go check out? |
| [22:25:51] | stuartm: | skd5aner: I don't have the ticket numbers handy, a search should find it easily enough |
| [22:25:57] | skd5aner: | will do, thanks for the pointer |
| [22:26:26] | stuartm: | justinh: livetv isn't work well for those using capture, but it's never been better with DVB IMHO |
| [22:26:41] | skd5aner: | stuartm: it's been fun lurking in on you and daniel's troubleshooting the last few days :) |
| [22:27:11] | justinh: | stuartm: I'm just more wary, not having as much time nowadays for firefights juuuust in case |
| [22:27:46] | justinh: | I really regretted updating even little things when my FE was still on ubuntu.. nigh as damnit lost the whole thing |
| [22:27:55] | skd5aner: | stuartm: capture (HD-PVR) and anlog encoding (PVR-###s), but yes... DVB/ATSC seems alright, although I was seeing even more failures there as well, especially around channel changes |
| [22:28:32] | justinh: | I always try to read between the lines in all the tales of upgrade woes – half the time – or more – people are also upgrading distro |
| [22:28:45] | stuartm: | skd5aner: yeah, I don't doubt you're having real problems, but for me it's the best it's ever been :/ Bitter sweet |
| [22:29:02] | skd5aner: | stuartm: out of curiousity, do you ever get sent back to the main menu between channel changes? For whatever reason, starting in 0.26, I started seeing this – where the main menu would appear and a please wait dialog, between channel change |
| [22:29:28] | justinh: | sounds better than what my FE did last time I used livetv (a very long time ago I may add) |
| [22:29:30] | stuartm: | and unfortunately the same applies to all the other devs, which is why none of the reported issues were noticed before the release |
| [22:29:36] | stuartm: | skd5aner: never |
| [22:30:00] | skd5aner: | stuartm: heh – yea, I know that in the past I've been one of the lucky ones too... which is why I've been one of the more vocal ones praising the live tv work over the past 5 or so releases |
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| [22:30:20] | skd5aner: | not sure why my config drew the short stick this round :/ |
| [22:30:29] | stuartm: | skd5aner: are you building from source or using packages? |
| [22:30:33] | skd5aner: | source |
| [22:31:04] | stuartm: | did you try the patch I mentioned the other day? I can't remember |
| [22:32:07] | stuartm: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10732 |
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| [22:33:15] | skd5aner: | justinh: xavierh's settings UI ticket is #10092 if you want to take a look – but his mockups are no longer available via the referenced email thread :/ |
| [22:33:15] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10092 ** | |
| [22:33:25] | stuartm: | btw for those not following #mythtv, the following http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/commit/?id . . . 5f6f8508b203 kicks arse |
| [22:33:36] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: ^ mythlogbot not logged in? |
| [22:33:53] | stuartm: | skd5aner: Beirdo's having computer troubles |
| [22:34:03] | skd5aner: | same box as his backend? |
| [22:35:20] | justinh: | less maths == better ? heh |
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| [22:35:34] | skd5aner: | stuartm: yea, I saw your conversation regarding the discovery... cool stuff – plan on backporting? |
| [22:36:05] | stuartm: | I don't actually know, but given his long work day and the time he's having to spend on fixing the backend he's probably too busy to fix the bot |
| [22:36:38] | skd5aner: | np, just wanted to make him aware if he wasn't already :0 |
| [22:36:40] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [22:36:44] | stuartm: | skd5aner: there's a definite desire to backport, I'm leaving Daniel to figure it out |
| [22:37:40] | skd5aner: | stuartm: btw, you had asked if I could test a patch on a different ticket the other day to see if it helped with my issue – I tried it out, and no net impact for me (related to failure to start live tv) |
| [22:37:59] | skd5aner: | not sure if I reported back to you or not – I remember mentioning it somewhere |
| [22:39:22] | stuartm: | skd5aner: you may have mentioned it |
| [22:40:25] | skd5aner: | justinh: what distro are you ruunning now – did I see you started from scratch? |
| [22:40:51] | stuartm: | I should keep more notes because it's difficult to remember everything that's said or done when so much is going on |
| [22:41:01] | stuartm: | LFS? |
| [22:41:27] | skd5aner: | LFS? |
| [22:41:45] | tgm4883: | LFS? |
| [22:42:00] | wagnerrp: | linux for sadomasochists?/ |
| [22:42:07] | justinh: | not quite from scratch |
| [22:42:17] | justinh: | linhes :-) |
| [22:42:39] | skd5aner: | gave up on *buntu huh? |
| [22:42:44] | justinh: | totally |
| [22:42:47] | justinh: | backend is next |
| [22:43:05] | justinh: | intel video driver breakage was the last straw |
| [22:43:31] | wagnerrp: | not that he started from scratch completely, just that his settings were from scratch |
| [22:43:32] | justinh: | not ubuntu's fault, but after you've basically dist upgraded you can't roll back without building it yourself |
| [22:43:41] | stuartm: | skd5aner, tgm4883: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ |
| [22:44:05] | tgm4883: | stuartm, I know what linux from scratch is :) |
| [22:44:17] | justinh: | FWIW, LFS == build a distro yourself, at the mercy of the kernel.org availability |
| [22:44:28] | stuartm: | oh ok, it was just an echo then :) |
| [22:44:38] | skd5aner: | ah – haha... reminds me of starting out back in the day... now, I can't remember the last time I compiled a custom kernel myself |
| [22:45:12] | justinh: | currently trying to get a manager at work to persuade our CEO to move back away from Ubuntu for our web app base |
| [22:45:25] | justinh: | I don't like yast much, but at least it's there |
| [22:45:37] | skd5aner: | I forgot about LFS itself |
| [22:45:53] | justinh: | now *I* can reconfigure a network interface on the commandline on *buntu.. but a customer? eesh |
| [22:46:03] | justinh: | and I don't want those support calls |
| [22:46:11] | stuartm: | I really, really wouldn't want the hassle of building a kernel these days, it was fun/interesting a few years ago but there are a limited number of times you can do the same exact time consuming thing before it becomes a royal pain |
| [22:46:39] | justinh: | it never used to be such a pain. grub 2 made it more icky I think |
| [22:46:52] | stuartm: | lilo was easier |
| [22:46:59] | stuartm: | at least back in the day |
| [22:47:15] | justinh: | I can't remember what I used to use on gentoo |
| [22:47:26] | skd5aner: | I just remember going through all the options and modules, and learning so much about how the kernel worked... I can't imagine how much stuff there would be to go through now |
| [22:47:34] | justinh: | mind, that was about 8 years ago... |
| [22:47:52] | justinh: | skd5aner: menuconfig isn't that much more populated AFAICT |
| [22:48:20] | skd5aner: | surely over 8 years more stuff has went in than has come out |
| [22:48:22] | stuartm: | but even then Mandriva had a full UI configuration suite, it would configure lilo/grub for you, even for a custom kernel |
| [22:48:46] | justinh: | eah well I'm trying to stop customers putting our web app on top of a gui linux installation |
| [22:48:58] | justinh: | it should sit on a gui-less server IMHO |
| [22:49:20] | stuartm: | skd5aner: there would be a lot less if they cleared out the legacy stuff that pretty much no-one uses |
| [22:49:40] | justinh: | they email to say the system is running slow.. and there I go in, transmission is running and / is about full |
| [22:49:46] | skd5aner: | I would imagine so, but how good are they at cleaning house? |
| [22:50:05] | justinh: | eeks! you can't *remove* from the linux kernel! |
| [22:50:40] | stuartm: | they aren't, which is my point, I don't think any drivers have been removed once added (replaced maybe, but not eliminated) |
| [22:50:56] | wagnerrp: | transmission is... a torrent client? |
| [22:50:58] | justinh: | that's what I mean ;-) |
| [22:51:01] | justinh: | wagnerrp: yeah |
| [22:51:22] | stuartm: | all because someone thinks it's a good idea to be able to install the latest kernel on a 1990s PC |
| [22:51:38] | justinh: | I took a screenshot of all the junk an operator had downloaded.. about all I could do over a VNC connection |
| [22:51:54] | skd5aner: | stuartm: btw, you were asking about pre-fetching... a few weeks ago I set up a cronjob to run mythmetadata manually to try and grab artwork hourly... but it only does it if the recording exists obviously |
| [22:52:09] | justinh: | if it was a windows machine it'd likely have been pwn3d |
| [22:52:20] | justinh: | so many warez. heh |
| [22:52:29] | wagnerrp: | actually, i believe it does do artwork for everything |
| [22:52:35] | wagnerrp: | but it only grabs metadata for recordings |
| [22:52:58] | skd5aner: | funny, I haven't heard the term warez in about 9 years |
| [22:54:03] | justinh: | was messing about with mod-deflate today.. our silly 'distributed' system has been sending 500MB raw .sql files rate limited at 20k/sec & customer was wondering why there were php timeout errors in the apache logs |
| [22:54:24] | wagnerrp: | whoops |
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| [22:55:18] | justinh: | 'master' or 'slave' mysqldumps a table out from a given timestamp... then puts it in a temp dir... which then gets catted to the remote server |
| [22:55:52] | justinh: | so I've been toying with compressing the data.. about blimmin time I think. 10 fold improvement in throughput for free, almost |
| [22:55:56] | wagnerrp: | any reason to not use a replication server? are these just snapshots or something? |
| [22:56:22] | justinh: | wagnerrp: no reason not to use even the same server other than the width of the pipes between servers being so crap |
| [22:57:45] | justinh: | interesting project... looking after about 700 bus DVRs.. 11 slave servers, one master.. all bus DVRs checking in whenever they connect to the depot wifi, every 2 minutes.. submitting 12 system variables... the health check result values table ending up at 7.5GB in size total... |
| [22:58:30] | justinh: | learning a lot of good stuff to put on my CV |
| [22:58:38] | wagnerrp: | is this years worth of data? |
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| [22:59:32] | justinh: | wagnerrp: no. about 3 months |
| [22:59:47] | wagnerrp: | text values? |
| [22:59:50] | justinh: | they're in contact with the depot for about 20% of the day in total |
| [23:00:18] | wagnerrp: | that just seems like an awful lot of data for a handful of variables |
| [23:00:20] | justinh: | it's since been optimised to only store changes now |
| [23:00:27] | justinh: | since most of them don't change |
| [23:00:33] | wagnerrp: | even if you are hitting half a million entries per day |
| [23:00:57] | justinh: | problem is, the developer has never been allowed to design it. it's all been done on the fly, all the time |
| [23:03:25] | justinh: | or is that all of commercial software development, all the time? ;-) |
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| [23:14:40] | justinh: | anyhow.. it's another bedtime. little done yet again. yay! |
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| [23:21:32] | shiggity: | can anyone tell me why http://pastebin.com/nRHcu5HW happens? |
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| [23:24:38] | shiggity: | k well it seems that it's not compatible with ffmpeg 1.0 |
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