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Thursday, November 22nd, 2012, 00:01 UTC

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Swabby:

Quick question--is it possible to run MythTV in VMWare and use the TV Card in the host machine?

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[R]:

no

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Swabby:

argh

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Swabby:

not perm..just as a dry run, it won't work?

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[R]:

[05:38:23] [R] no

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Swabby:

thnx R

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k-man:

hehe

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ron__:

can myth play sbs 3d mkvs?

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[R]:

can ffmpeg?

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ron__:

I don't know. it depends if myth can change the output over HDMI to 1080p@24Hz I think

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skd5aner:

ron__: it's not a mythtv question...

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skd5aner:

ron__: if your video card, and the driver can do that, then that's what mythtv will use

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ron__:

OK

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skd5aner:

if you are using nvidia, you can specify the modeline, resolution, etc... or you can use xrandr to actuallly dynamically leverage the video's framerate/resolution...

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ron__:

I thought it was a myth question as I don't know how mythaffects the oputput or whether it's completely dependant on X

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skd5aner:

pretty much dependant on your xorg.conf, yes

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ron__:

I have an nvidia ION box

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skd5aner:

the only way it's not is if you want ot leverge xrandr, then you can tell mythtv to be use different resolutions for gui vs video

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skd5aner:

but still, it'll rely on your X config

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skd5aner:

and video card capabilities

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ron__:

most of my recordings are either 1080i@25Hz or SD PAL so with the different res for UI Vs video and the correct xorg.conf it'll switch modes automatically?

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ron__:

if that's the case I'll get the 3d TV :)

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skd5aner:

Don't ask me about the 3D stuff specifically – no idea

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ron__:

that's not the issue, it's whether myth can output a frame compatible stream over HDMI

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ron__:

but it sounds like it can so long as I get everything setup correctly

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skd5aner:

There were some specific 3D commits that went in to 0.24 I believe

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skd5aner:

nothing that I know of since then

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skd5aner:

I would imagine that if it didn't work, there'd be lots of noise about it on the mailing list

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ron__:

I'm running 0.25 now and my current TV is 720p but provides garbage EDID info

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ron__:

I think it's worth a punt

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jpabq:

skd5aner: did you try disabling VDPAU for decoding? VDPAU is "rendering" okay, but does not handle damage near as well as the software decoder.

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skd5aner:

Yes... several weeks ago

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skd5aner:

it did work without vdpau, but I can tell a difference with picture quality and particularly motion

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skd5aner:

VDPAU is crisper, probably because it's scaler is better, and seems to do better with deinterlacing and motion in general

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skd5aner:

also, my machine can sometimes struggle with high-bitrate/high compression formats... and will stutter with standard software decoding

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jpabq:

Did you try using VDPAU *just* for rendering?

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skd5aner:

I think I just used the standard profile, let me go fiddle

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jpabq:

Yeah, software decoder requires a decent cpu.

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jpabq:

skd5aner: also, what version of VDPAU are you running? I've got 304, but I see that 310 is available from nVidia. I wonder if 310 would offer any improvements...

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skd5aner:

jpabq: ok, I've set decoder to standard and video render to vdpau

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skd5aner:

jpabq: I know how to chekc the nvidia driver version, but how do I easily check the version of libvdpau I'm leveraging?

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skd5aner:

jpabq: I'm not getting the glitchy playback this way

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ron__:

I found the setting and it appears to be doing what it should with the output it's showing the changes in Xorg.0.log too

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ron__:

thanks for your help :)

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skd5aner:

jpabq: I manually install nvidia's binary drivers, and run 304.60, but I think I use ubuntu's libvdapu which says it's v0.4.1 – https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvdpau/0.4.1-6ubuntu1

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skd5aner:

ron__: cool, have fun!

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skd5aner:

jpabq: I do, however, see this file: /usr/lib/libvdpau.so.304.60

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skd5aner:

jpabq: I thought they decoupled it from the binary video drivers a few years ago

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jpabq:

skd5aner: I am a fedora user. Fedora 16 currently installs 304.60–1.fc17.2

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jpabq:

I think you are right about that.

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jpabq:

libvdpau seems to be 0.5–1.fc17

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jpabq:

Actually, both of those are on my backend with fc17. My frontend is still running fc16.

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ron__:

skd5aner: cheers nn

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jpabq:

On my frontend, libvdpau is 0.5–1.fc16 and kmod-nvidia is 304.60–1.fc16.2

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skd5aner:

jpabq: I think .5 just came out in Sept

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skd5aner:

so it didn't make it into ubuntu's dev cycle for their Oct release

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jpabq:

My CPU is powerful enough, that I can generally do software decode. But, jumping around causes frame-flashing, which is annoying.

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skd5aner:

I'm so frustrated with 0.26 as this point – first time I've ever regretted upgrading mythtv – since the ~0.12 days

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jpabq:

I am just wondering if it is the VDPAU glue that is causing the problem, or if it is ffmpeg, or what...

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skd5aner:

stil love myth, just difficult to love at the moment

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skd5aner:

jpabq: well, the same version of vdpau and nvidia drivers does not have this problem with 0.25

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skd5aner:

jpabq: unfortunately, I've got to run

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jpabq:

Okay. Later.

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skd5aner:

got a long list of items I've got to get done around the house before tomorrow :/

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skd5aner:

might check in later

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jpabq:

skd5aner: it is unfortunate that I don't have the problem the way you do. Makes it hard for me to test ideas.

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skd5aner:

Feel free to come over for Thanksgiving tomorrow – I'll fill you up with tons of food and you can spend all afternoon fiddling around with my set-up ;D

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jpabq:

skd5aner: I guess I could try running your version of ubuntu in a VM

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jpabq:

Heh. I doubt you live anywhere near albuquerque.

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ragingmind:

my upgrade to 0.26 helped me track down why I couldn't launch huludesktop from my main menu or mplayer for videos :) it works with the QT painter, but if I set auto or opengl it gets weird (frontend hangs)

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ragingmind:

so, yay?

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skd5aner:

nah – heh, midwest

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jpabq:

Have a good thanksgiving (Without me)

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skd5aner:

you too!

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smoothifier:

what would be the database version for 0.26.0? I'm doing the upgrade from 0.25.2 right now and I'm just wondering how long it will take. Will mythbackend write that the upgrade is finished to the log?

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smoothifier:

fortunately, i've got a fairly small database, with only about 60GB of recordings

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wagnerrp:

hah! daft punk featured on Nova, who would have thought...

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wagnerrp:

one of the songs from the tron soundtrack, on an episode about Hurricane Sandy

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prologic:

Hey all.

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prologic:

How does http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Iso-play.sh work and how do I set that up?

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wagnerrp:

any reason you can't simply play your ISOs internally?

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prologic:

tbh I haven't tired (yet)

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prologic:

does itjust work with the internal mythtv player?

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wagnerrp:

as long as they are not encrypted, yes

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prologic:

ahh

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prologic:

and what if it was?

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prologic:

the disk I'm trying to play seems to be damanged a bit

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prologic:

mythtv/mplayer won;'t play it without aborting

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wagnerrp:

it would still work, you would just have to mount the stores locally, rather than streaming over storage groups

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prologic:

I dd'd it to a file

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prologic:

ah it's in the local video storage group

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prologic:

but mythtv crashed with an assertion error

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prologic:

0.24.1

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prologic:

probably should update

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wagnerrp:

upgrade

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prologic:

yeah

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prologic:

looks like I'll be getting that new hw :)

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prologic:

myth frontend doesn't use or rely on mplayer at all does it?

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wagnerrp:

no

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prologic:

don't know why I bother even installing it :)

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prologic:

I'll try to keep my new frontend up-to-date as much as possible

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prologic:

and the backend too when I chroot/jail it :)

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k-man:

does it usually take ages for HLS shows to start playing?

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k-man:

seems to be working ok now

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k-man:

does the hls system dynamically adjust how much video it buffers based on the network lag or something?

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xavierh:

Is there a web interface (not API) to add/List/Remove recording stream ?

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xavierh:

k-man: I don't think so

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jams:

xavierh, it's seperate but mythexpress has that ability

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xavierh:

jams: thanks

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wizbit:

can mythtv connect to mysql via socket

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[R]:

don't think so

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[R]:

whats the point

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wizbit:

sockets are faster than tcp

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[R]:

lol

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wizbit:

and more secure

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[R]:

myth is inherintely inseucre to begin wtih

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wizbit:

actually

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wizbit:

of course not

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wizbit:

frontends are not local

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wizbit:

<-- idiot

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[R]:

rofl

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bill6502:

wizbit: I think what you're asking about was already done, see: code.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/3364c44

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BabaBooey:

so here's a hypothetical... how well would mythtv work as an instant replay machine? no channel guide, just an input from a router, pause, rewind, play back slo-mo, back to live, and subclip.

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Demon_Fox:

It is stable and unmaintained.

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Demon_Fox:

I do see firmware, but that might already be in the kernel

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BabaBooey:

it's more the live-pause-rewind capability that's kinda the crux of this...

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Demon_Fox:

http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=2

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Demon_Fox:

read it if it does not work, and agree to download

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Demon_Fox:

Does that help bill6502 ?

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Demon_Fox:

wrong one

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Demon_Fox:

I was at the wrong page and every thing.

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Demon_Fox:

Sorry

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bill6502:

Demon_Fox: np, but you had me quessing...

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Demon_Fox:

I just thought about this

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Demon_Fox:

At my old school they had the librarian recording shows off the tv all the time and burning it to disk for the teachers, isn't that against the law?

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BabaBooey:

for educational purposes, generally no

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Demon_Fox:

Usually pbs

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BabaBooey:

my first job in television was cutting the commercials out of those kinds of programs on VHS, hehe

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Demon_Fox:

and the history channel

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Demon_Fox:

lol

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Demon_Fox:

In chemistry we defaced money in sulfuric acid, is that illegal?

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Demon_Fox:

Usually pennies

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Demon_Fox:

Anything bigger the teacher would do.

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Demon_Fox:

Does fedora has mythtv going alright?

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Demon_Fox:

I am thinking of switching my main computers over to it, from Slackware.

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[R]:

you can run myth in any dist

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BabaBooey:

anyone got any insights on my instant replay idea?

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Demon_Fox:

Slackware does not have it set up quite right.

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[R]:

yuou set it up however you want to set it up

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Demon_Fox:

Everything perl is broken in the repo

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Demon_Fox:

cpan also

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[R]:

well slackware being a piee of crap and having broken perl

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[R]:

isnt' really myth's fault

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Demon_Fox:

I know

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[R]:

you can run myth in any sane dist

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[R]:

hows that?

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Demon_Fox:

that is why I am asking does anyone have it working alright with fedora

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[R]:

slackware stopped being relevent ages ago

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Demon_Fox:

Slackware makes great servers [R]

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[R]:

therefore it doesnt fall under the "sane dist" category

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[R]:

i'm sure you think it does

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[R]:

i prefer tmy dists to be run by someone other then a crazy man who thinks its funny to version them like 13.37

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Demon_Fox:

[R], sorry, I just did not know everyone disliked, everywhere I go they hate it.

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[R]:

rofl

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Demon_Fox:

That was a l33t thing

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[R]:

you mean a r3t4rd3d thing...

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Demon_Fox:

It was a joke to explain it self.

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Demon_Fox:

I wish firefox would have done it, but maybe they did.

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[R]:

distrowatch lists it right above freebsd

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[R]:

that shows you how relevant it is...

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Demon_Fox:

freebsd's kernel is almost the exact same thing as Apples kernel.

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[R]:

if by almost the exact same

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[R]:

you mean nothing like it

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[R]:

then sure

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Demon_Fox:

They added and removed a couple of things.

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[R]:

yeah

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[R]:

a couple things

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[R]:

like mach

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[R]:

just a minor detail

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Demon_Fox:

(Does not want to be a jerk.)

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Demon_Fox:

NOt you

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Demon_Fox:

me.

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Demon_Fox:

Sounds like a break up line, that means the opposite.

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BabaBooey:

so, maybe y''all can offer some insight... i'm trying to build a prototype instant replay machine for live television production and I think mythtv's pause-rewind-live capabilities would be the perfect brains...

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Demon_Fox:

Your making a commercial product from the Mythtv code?

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BabaBooey:

as of right now, no.

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BabaBooey:

this is for a non-profit entity, hence why i'm trying to keep the cost as far down as possible.

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Demon_Fox:

Do you need any help?

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Demon_Fox:

I don't have a huge macro collection right at the moment, but if your using C then I have a couple that can be used.

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BabaBooey:

well, before I go install a distro and try it out, I want to know if this is worth pursuing... I'm thinking if I can strip down the components (the guide, record scheduler, etc) and just use the capability of pause/rewind/jump to live

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Demon_Fox:

Sounds like xbmc

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Demon_Fox:

They use myth for tv stuff.

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Demon_Fox:

It is minimalistic and everything.

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Demon_Fox:

maybe it is xmbc

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Demon_Fox:

It would like me to bounce more ideas we need to take it to an unused channel, or private chat.

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BabaBooey:

at its core, the machine pulls in a line signal and spits it right back out, with the ability to pause the live input and play it back

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