| Sunday, November 18th, 2012, 00:04 UTC | ||
| [00:04:58] | dumbnewbie: | still the same – I have server logs – is it okay to post in chat? |
| [00:05:19] | Blkbr_Linux: | sure |
| [00:05:22] | dumbnewbie: | 2012-11–17 18:01:48.027951 N MythBackend: Running as a slave backend. 2012-11–17 18:01:48.039362 I Added logging to mythlogserver at TCP:35327 2012-11–17 18:01:48.103529 I V4LChannel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat(3, NTSC) (v4l v2) input_switch: 0 mode_switch: 0 2012-11–17 18:01:48.105754 I V4LChannel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat(3, NTSC) (v4l v2) input_switch: 0 mode_switch: 0 2012-11–17 18:01:48.199971 I V4LChannel |
| [00:05:27] | Blkbr_Linux: | long as it aint too much |
| [00:06:19] | dumbnewbie: | 2012-11–17 18:01:48.277776 I Listening on TCP 127.0.0.1:6544 2012-11–17 18:01:48.277901 I Listening on TCP 192.168.1.107:6544 2012-11–17 18:01:48.278068 I Listening on TCP [::1]:6544 2012-11–17 18:01:48.278223 I Listening on TCP [fe80::20e:3bff:fe07:8d3%wlan0]:6544 |
| [00:06:20] | Blkbr_Linux: | i dont c why ur frontends dont c tuner if ur backend is setup for it |
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| [00:07:02] | Blkbr_Linux: | did u add video source for it/ |
| [00:07:04] | Blkbr_Linux: | ? |
| [00:07:06] | dumbnewbie: | yep |
| [00:07:16] | dumbnewbie: | could delete and re-add that too |
| [00:07:37] | Blkbr_Linux: | scanned channels ok? |
| [00:07:50] | dumbnewbie: | wel... |
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| [00:08:00] | dumbnewbie: | I haven't connected it yet :-) |
| [00:08:06] | dumbnewbie: | maybe that's it |
| [00:08:12] | Blkbr_Linux: | in ur backend input connections |
| [00:08:19] | Blkbr_Linux: | scan channels |
| [00:08:22] | dumbnewbie: | drat |
| [00:09:07] | dumbnewbie: | would I need to add the source in the master backend too? |
| [00:09:39] | Blkbr_Linux: | i pretty new to myth so not 100% sure |
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| [00:11:07] | Blkbr_Linux: | but when u exit backend setup doesnt it write changes to master also/ |
| [00:11:11] | Blkbr_Linux: | ? |
| [00:11:37] | dumbnewbie: | I'd think so |
| [00:11:51] | Blkbr_Linux: | i think so also |
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| [00:15:01] | Blkbr_Linux: | i havnt got it fully workin yet but in tryin i never messed with master |
| [00:15:44] | Blkbr_Linux: | i have tuning issues |
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| [00:16:12] | Blkbr_Linux: | no lock on horz trans |
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| [01:10:13] | wagnerrp: | dumbnewbie: is it possible you are running two independent databases? one on the master, one on the slave? |
| [01:11:55] | Blkbr_Linux: | u men he might have mysql on server and on his pc runnin frontend? |
| [01:12:32] | wagnerrp: | yes, each mythtv cluster must only have one master backend and one mysql database |
| [01:12:40] | wagnerrp: | if he has two databases, he screwed up |
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| [01:13:07] | Blkbr_Linux: | n have his path set wrong on hi frontend |
| [01:13:55] | wagnerrp: | you're missing some characters there |
| [01:14:02] | Blkbr_Linux: | yup.lol |
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| [01:15:09] | Blkbr_Linux: | but i get what ur sayin,in his frontend he doesnt have path set et to data base on backend server |
| [01:15:50] | wagnerrp: | what path? |
| [01:15:58] | Blkbr_Linux: | its reading fro default on local pc |
| [01:16:19] | wagnerrp: | it's reading from whatever he told it to read from the first time he ran the frontend |
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| [01:16:33] | Blkbr_Linux: | right |
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| [01:16:54] | Blkbr_Linux: | u dont need mysql on frontend |
| [01:17:06] | Blkbr_Linux: | just on backend..right? |
| [01:17:14] | wagnerrp: | you only need mysql in one place on the whole cluster |
| [01:17:19] | wagnerrp: | it can be where ever you want it to be |
| [01:17:30] | wagnerrp: | however all machines on the cluster must interface with that one singular database |
| [01:17:49] | Demon_Fox: | When do you think the kernel developer for haupauge will get the module working? |
| [01:18:04] | Chicago: | Demon_Fox, which module? |
| [01:18:49] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that question needs some context |
| [01:18:53] | Demon_Fox: | for the wintv-1800 |
| [01:19:19] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, it has worked fine for some time |
| [01:19:29] | Chicago: | same observation here |
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| [01:19:46] | Demon_Fox: | I am using kernel 3.6.6 and it is not working quite right. |
| [01:19:46] | wagnerrp: | there used to be some issues with analog capture on that card |
| [01:20:00] | Demon_Fox: | digital |
| [01:20:08] | Demon_Fox: | Something about a mailbox pointer |
| [01:20:14] | wagnerrp: | chances are the too new of a kernel version caused something to break |
| [01:20:17] | Blkbr_Linux: | me,new to this after many yrs n havin driver probs i think |
| [01:20:46] | Demon_Fox: | Perhaps I should downgrade, but the kernel I was running before did the same thing |
| [01:21:17] | wagnerrp: | !seen devinheitmueller |
| [01:21:18] | MythLogBot: | devinheitmueller was last seen 1 day 1 hour 41 minutes 33 seconds ago |
| [01:21:20] | Blkbr_Linux: | u guy's aint north america users by any chance? |
| [01:21:48] | wagnerrp: | considering the HVR-1800 is only of use in north america, that would be a good assumption |
| [01:22:08] | Demon_Fox: | I am. |
| [01:22:13] | Demon_Fox: | Is that a bad thing? |
| [01:22:15] | Blkbr_Linux: | i have tunning issues with a genpix |
| [01:22:33] | Blkbr_Linux: | no lock on horz trans |
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| [01:22:41] | Chicago: | Blackbear, you have keyboard issues and social issues too.... ( recommending the sudo rm -rf ) |
| [01:23:10] | Blkbr_Linux: | lol |
| [01:23:11] | wagnerrp: | blkbr_linux: you'll have very little assistance using DVB-S tuners in north america |
| [01:23:12] | Blkbr_Linux: | i know |
| [01:23:25] | wagnerrp: | people simply don't use them, since there's just very little value to using them |
| [01:23:35] | Blkbr_Linux: | debian squeeze 2.6.32 |
| [01:23:49] | Blkbr_Linux: | n mutex path wont comple |
| [01:23:54] | Chicago: | wagnerrp, I thought about grabbing the NASA feeds that way at one time. |
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| [01:24:26] | Blkbr_Linux: | so not sure if i need it |
| [01:24:29] | wagnerrp: | there's only a handful of unencrypted channels you can grab, and most are going to be religious or infomercial |
| [01:24:30] | Demon_Fox: | I can't run a kernel below the 3.2.x because of how my distribution is configured, but I could give it another try. |
| [01:24:46] | wagnerrp: | most of the rest are going to be channels you can pick up with a standard antenna |
| [01:26:29] | Blkbr_Linux: | ever hear of ati hd 750 drivers for linux? |
| [01:26:42] | Blkbr_Linux: | i searched n found none |
| [01:27:19] | Blkbr_Linux: | its usb cable tuner |
| [01:27:19] | Demon_Fox: | Is the latest version of 2.6.32.* ok? |
| [01:27:35] | Blkbr_Linux: | works fine with win7 |
| [01:27:56] | calcmandan: | hi folks |
| [01:28:02] | wagnerrp: | the cablecard tuners we support are the Ceton InfiniTV, HDHomeRun Prime, and and DCR-2650 |
| [01:28:14] | wagnerrp: | we don't support any ATI OCUR tuners |
| [01:28:21] | Blkbr_Linux: | ok,thks |
| [01:28:41] | Blkbr_Linux: | any support in future? |
| [01:29:28] | Blkbr_Linux: | i read alot abt the homerun |
| [01:29:38] | Blkbr_Linux: | its b worth gettin i think |
| [01:30:04] | wagnerrp: | who is your cable provider? |
| [01:30:17] | Blkbr_Linux: | its canada |
| [01:30:30] | wagnerrp: | then it's likely not worth getting |
| [01:30:42] | wagnerrp: | cablecard support in canada is pretty rare |
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| [01:30:54] | Blkbr_Linux: | ok |
| [01:31:23] | Blkbr_Linux: | weird as with win7 it detects cable prov n dcans channels np |
| [01:31:58] | wagnerrp: | do you actually have a cablecard, that you rent from your cable company, and insert into the CAM slot in that tuner? |
| [01:32:24] | Blkbr_Linux: | no,its just a set top box |
| [01:32:32] | Blkbr_Linux: | no card |
| [01:32:37] | wagnerrp: | so you dont have an HD750 then? |
| [01:32:38] | Blkbr_Linux: | have sat also |
| [01:32:43] | Blkbr_Linux: | yes |
| [01:32:49] | Blkbr_Linux: | ati hd 750 |
| [01:33:00] | wagnerrp: | yes, do you rent a cablecard that you insert into that tuner? |
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| [01:33:12] | Blkbr_Linux: | nope |
| [01:33:17] | Blkbr_Linux: | just cable feed |
| [01:33:23] | wagnerrp: | then a cablecard tuner is of no value |
| [01:33:42] | wagnerrp: | the whole point of cablecard is that it is a decryption module, allowing you to receive and record encrypted digital cable |
| [01:33:46] | Blkbr_Linux: | i used it b4 i switched to sat tv |
| [01:33:55] | Blkbr_Linux: | worked great |
| [01:33:56] | wagnerrp: | with no cablecard (decryption module), you may as well just have a standard QAM tuner |
| [01:34:07] | wagnerrp: | since it will be just as effective, and much cheaper |
| [01:34:33] | Blkbr_Linux: | well thats where i am now |
| [01:34:38] | Blkbr_Linux: | with sat tv |
| [01:34:51] | Blkbr_Linux: | have to use sasc-ng |
| [01:35:02] | wagnerrp: | not in here you don't |
| [01:35:07] | wagnerrp: | that's a banned topic of discussion |
| [01:35:08] | Blkbr_Linux: | right |
| [01:35:16] | Blkbr_Linux: | no talk abt that |
| [01:35:55] | Blkbr_Linux: | but mythtv i nice |
| [01:36:01] | Blkbr_Linux: | like it |
| [01:36:20] | Blkbr_Linux: | its just to get it workin right for ur setup |
| [01:37:28] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use anything with a STB, the only way to do it is analog capture |
| [01:37:40] | wagnerrp: | and using an IR blaster, or some other means of controlling the STB |
| [01:38:17] | Blkbr_Linux: | analog is dean in north america |
| [01:38:24] | Blkbr_Linux: | all digital now |
| [01:38:37] | wagnerrp: | analog capture off the video outputs on the box |
| [01:38:55] | Blkbr_Linux: | fta feeds r al digital |
| [01:40:03] | wagnerrp: | the video that your STBs are outputting is analog |
| [01:40:19] | wagnerrp: | if you are capturing from a box, for digital cable or digital satellite, you are using analog |
| [01:40:31] | Demon_Fox: | I think your average modern computer could encode mpeg2 video on the fly easy |
| [01:40:50] | Demon_Fox: | My desktop gets around 200fps with dvd quality at 5000k bit rate |
| [01:40:52] | Blkbr_Linux: | hmm,not via hdmi or rgb |
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| [01:41:28] | wagnerrp: | HDMI will be encrypted, and unusable |
| [01:41:46] | wagnerrp: | RGB (VGA) is pretty rare, component video is much more common if you want HD |
| [01:42:04] | wagnerrp: | component being the three red/green/blue plugs |
| [01:42:18] | wagnerrp: | while RGB being the 15-pin rectangular connector used for old analog monitors |
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| [01:44:44] | Blkbr_Linux: | u mean a scart connection? |
| [01:45:06] | wagnerrp: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA_connector |
| [01:45:17] | Blkbr_Linux: | dreambox had them |
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| [01:45:26] | wagnerrp: | no, VGA, not SCART |
| [01:45:31] | wagnerrp: | SCART is a european thing |
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| [01:45:46] | Blkbr_Linux: | what i thought |
| [01:46:24] | wagnerrp: | contrary to popular belief, the component video connection with three coaxial lines colored red, green, and blue, do not actually carry RGB video |
| [01:47:01] | Blkbr_Linux: | they send color.lol.unplug one n c what it does |
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| [01:47:23] | wagnerrp: | two of them do send color, yes |
| [01:47:37] | wagnerrp: | but none of them are used for red, green, or blue, specifically |
| [01:47:54] | wagnerrp: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YPrPb |
| [01:48:23] | wagnerrp: | VGA and DVI actually do send RGB data |
| [01:48:35] | wagnerrp: | component video does not |
| [01:48:49] | Blkbr_Linux: | myself i c little diff from rgb n hdmi |
| [01:49:15] | Blkbr_Linux: | prob cuz provider doesnt send better |
| [01:49:32] | wagnerrp: | VGA cables actually have a wire dedicated to each color, red, green, and blue |
| [01:49:53] | wagnerrp: | DVI has a wire pair dedicated to each color |
| [01:50:21] | wagnerrp: | HDMI is physically compatible with DVI, but those wire pairs are just generic data connections, and the pixel data is sent packetized over those data connections |
| [01:50:57] | Blkbr_Linux: | yaa my dreambox had a dvi to hdmi adapter |
| [01:51:21] | wagnerrp: | that's not that impressive, as you can pick them up for a couple bucks |
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| [01:51:37] | wagnerrp: | electronically, the two formats are different |
| [01:51:50] | wagnerrp: | but just about any HDMI receiver is capable of accepting a DVI signal |
| [01:52:05] | kormoc: | %s/DVI/DVI-D/ |
| [01:52:19] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [02:01:09] | gaffy: | Hi, I'm having problems with MythWeb. I can view my recordings/etc fine (so my DB info is correct), but when I attempt to stream a recording (via asx or direct download) I get the error "Unknown Recording Requested". Has anyone seen this before? |
| [02:01:09] | Blkbr_Linux: | we r 100 yrs behind in na |
| [02:01:23] | wagnerrp: | behind... what? |
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| [02:13:52] | wagnerrp: | Blkbr_Linux: ^^^ |
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| [02:29:03] | logician: | anyone in here willing to school a noob on mythtv? |
| [02:29:16] | wagnerrp: | no, but we can answer specific questions |
| [02:29:38] | logician: | sounds good |
| [02:30:39] | logician: | dragged out an old p4 system from the garage. specs--> intel d845geb, 500gb hd, 2gb ram, ati 9800 aiw |
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| [02:31:16] | logician: | I have been dling and loading different distros of xbmc, ubuntu, mythbuntu, etc. |
| [02:31:44] | wagnerrp: | 2GB of memory is plenty, 500GB hard drive is a bit light if you intend to do digital recordings |
| [02:31:50] | wagnerrp: | the AIW may as well be scrapped |
| [02:32:13] | wagnerrp: | the the P4 should be replaced by something more modern as soon as you're done feeling out mythtv, and ready to purpose build a machine for it |
| [02:32:15] | logician: | well, I have several 500gb drives |
| [02:32:50] | logician: | cutting to the chase, I really want to repurpose my hardware |
| [02:34:01] | logician: | so |
| [02:34:25] | logician: | first let me say, this stuff is very exciting |
| [02:34:55] | wagnerrp: | with comcast, your best option is a cablecard tuner |
| [02:35:01] | wagnerrp: | should get you everything but the premiums |
| [02:35:17] | wagnerrp: | if you want the premiums (HBO, Showtime, etc...), you'll need to do analog capture off a cable box |
| [02:35:32] | wagnerrp: | in the short term, you'll probably want to pick up a cheap digital tuner and an antenna |
| [02:35:42] | wagnerrp: | just to give you something to play around with |
| [02:35:50] | wagnerrp: | you'll also want to pick up a cheap nvidia card |
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| [02:36:14] | wagnerrp: | GT210s can usually be found quite cheaply |
| [02:36:29] | wagnerrp: | if you need analog out for an old CRT TV, you'll want to find an 8 or 9-series |
| [02:36:31] | logician: | my needs are much different that having all the gucci new stuff isn't important right now |
| [02:37:16] | wagnerrp: | a GT210 is a several year old card, don't consider it "new" |
| [02:37:21] | logician: | here is what I want to do |
| [02:37:55] | logician: | and believe me, I own some of the best stuff out there right now, so I am familiar with old an new |
| [02:38:41] | logician: | but, I have not lived through all the iterations of linux..and that is why I am asking for help. |
| [02:40:01] | logician: | I want to repurpose my old hardware to make a pvr for ota broadcasts..would like to watch hulu, youtube, etc |
| [02:40:36] | logician: | I have a couple of motorola digital tv converter boxes |
| [02:40:42] | wagnerrp: | hulu we can do, hulu plus... that's going to take some time of someone sitting down editing the code to support logins |
| [02:40:55] | wagnerrp: | same with amazon |
| [02:41:01] | wagnerrp: | netflix... can't be done on linux |
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| [02:41:04] | logician: | way ahead of me |
| [02:41:16] | logician: | throttling back a little |
| [02:41:40] | logician: | I would like to find a distro that supports my 9800 aiw pro |
| [02:41:53] | logician: | hook that up to the external tuner box |
| [02:42:01] | wagnerrp: | one distro supports it just as much as all the rest |
| [02:42:13] | wagnerrp: | which is somewhere between poorly to not at all |
| [02:42:15] | logician: | and use that to record and watch ota stuff |
| [02:42:34] | wagnerrp: | analog capture to an ATSC DTA is a singularly poor idea |
| [02:42:39] | wagnerrp: | just buy an ATSC tuner |
| [02:42:45] | wagnerrp: | and hook it directly up to the antenna |
| [02:42:50] | logician: | heh |
| [02:43:25] | logician: | most of the atsc tuner cards seem to need alot more than what a p4 2.8ghz single core can deliver |
| [02:43:47] | wagnerrp: | a digital tuner needs practically nothing |
| [02:43:59] | wagnerrp: | the content is compressed by the broadcaster |
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| [02:44:10] | wagnerrp: | and all mythtv does is copy that compressed data stream to the disk |
| [02:44:22] | wagnerrp: | your 2.8GHz P4 will be idling while recording off one |
| [02:44:29] | wagnerrp: | the trouble is playback |
| [02:44:37] | logician: | recording is simple, as I have already discovered |
| [02:44:46] | logician: | but I cannot playback crap |
| [02:44:47] | wagnerrp: | and your 2.8GHz P4 will be pushed to it's limits trying to play HDd MPEG2 |
| [02:44:59] | wagnerrp: | which is where a decent nvidia card and VDPAU comes in |
| [02:45:01] | logician: | it actually won't do it at all |
| [02:45:09] | wagnerrp: | assuming that board has PCIe, and not AGP |
| [02:45:14] | logician: | AGP |
| [02:45:19] | wagnerrp: | although now that i think about it, the 9800s were all AGP |
| [02:45:32] | wagnerrp: | and we're right back to upgrading the whole thing |
| [02:45:42] | logician: | right, but I don't think I need to |
| [02:45:44] | wagnerrp: | which to be honest, is not as expensive a proposition as you might think |
| [02:46:33] | wagnerrp: | a SB or IB pentium, motherboard, and some memory, will probably run you $150 |
| [02:46:46] | logician: | heh |
| [02:46:48] | logician: | I know |
| [02:46:50] | wagnerrp: | add another $50 for a tuner, and $20 for an IR receiver and remote |
| [02:47:12] | wagnerrp: | you already have a case, although you may need to replace the PSU |
| [02:47:21] | wagnerrp: | you would likely at least need a 20/24-pin adapter |
| [02:47:22] | logician: | I need to figure out how to use what I have.. |
| [02:47:29] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [02:47:35] | logician: | I don't want to spend a nickel |
| [02:47:59] | logician: | because I already have all that other stuff running on an i-7 2600k |
| [02:48:00] | wagnerrp: | you need a tuner, and a graphics card, at minimum |
| [02:48:42] | logician: | what I want to do is figure out how to use some of this old junk rather than send it to a landfill somewhere |
| [02:48:44] | wagnerrp: | you're just looking for trouble trying to get that AIW working |
| [02:49:07] | logician: | we disagree |
| [02:49:08] | wagnerrp: | so don't send it to a landfill, send it to some place that recycles electronics |
| [02:49:22] | logician: | esp since I am using an external atsc tuner |
| [02:49:43] | wagnerrp: | if you want a second opinion, hop over into #linuxtv and get their thoughts on using an AIW card and a DTA to capture ATSC content |
| [02:49:53] | wagnerrp: | they'll tell you the same exact thing im telling you |
| [02:50:54] | logician: | heh, look. it is easy to buy $200 to $300 for new equipment and have it all. |
| [02:51:08] | wagnerrp: | and how much is your time worth? |
| [02:51:10] | logician: | no challenge in that |
| [02:51:35] | wagnerrp: | but you're going through all that challenge to get poor quality captures |
| [02:51:43] | logician: | I have a few hours here and there to solve a problem |
| [02:51:57] | wagnerrp: | this isn't a few hours |
| [02:52:14] | logician: | heh |
| [02:52:25] | logician: | not going this route |
| [02:52:51] | logician: | there had to be a place in time within the last 5 years where this was a viable solution |
| [02:52:57] | logician: | I just cannot find it |
| [02:53:18] | logician: | the distro on the box now is 12.04 of mythbuntu |
| [02:53:23] | wagnerrp: | that should tell you something |
| [02:53:28] | logician: | it sees the card fin |
| [02:53:30] | logician: | fine |
| [02:53:37] | wagnerrp: | specifically what sees the card fine? |
| [02:54:07] | logician: | lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| [02:54:17] | wagnerrp: | lspci is nothing more than what it sounds |
| [02:54:23] | wagnerrp: | it lists devices connected to the PCI bus |
| [02:54:40] | wagnerrp: | it has no bearing on whether there are drivers actually loaded to use those devices on the PCI bus |
| [02:54:40] | logician: | but it is not showing unknown which is a good thing |
| [02:54:45] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [02:55:02] | wagnerrp: | all that means is that the manufacturer and device id is in it's massive dictionary of hardware |
| [02:55:09] | wagnerrp: | it is a known piece of hardware |
| [02:55:16] | wagnerrp: | doesn't mean it is a supported piece of hardware |
| [02:55:34] | logician: | dmesg | grep drm likes it too |
| [02:55:58] | wagnerrp: | the 9800 is going to be limited to the open source radeon graphics driver for graphics output, having been long since abandoned by the official fglrx driver |
| [02:56:03] | logician: | I won't be tuning anything with this card btw, but channel 3 |
| [02:56:04] | wagnerrp: | oddly enough, that is a good thing |
| [02:56:16] | wagnerrp: | as they tend to be more reliable than the fglrx drivers |
| [02:56:24] | wagnerrp: | at least for older hardware that has been reversed engineered |
| [02:56:30] | logician: | which seems hopefull |
| [02:56:37] | wagnerrp: | but that is only graphics output |
| [02:56:42] | wagnerrp: | not capture input |
| [02:56:54] | wagnerrp: | there has only been limited work on ATI tuners in general |
| [02:57:03] | wagnerrp: | and there has been next to no work on AIW cards |
| [02:57:27] | logician: | I don't care about all the aiw stuff |
| [02:57:49] | wagnerrp: | sure you do, you need to capture television somehow |
| [02:58:25] | logician: | and you are saying the 9800 aiw cannot tune a simple ntsc feed on channel 3 in mythbuntu? |
| [02:58:38] | wagnerrp: | that is what i'm saying |
| [02:58:44] | wagnerrp: | the driver support simply isn't there to do so |
| [02:59:39] | logician: | ok, that is what I needed to know |
| [03:00:13] | logician: | the web is confusing on that particular subject..as it seems somewhere in time the drivers were there |
| [03:00:26] | wagnerrp: | im telling you right now, anyone worth listening to will say the same thing... stop trying to capture analog off a broadcast DTA, and just get a digital tuner |
| [03:00:35] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, why do you need drivers? Can't you just virtualize it in the cloud? |
| [03:00:47] | wagnerrp: | you're just making things needlessly difficult |
| [03:00:57] | wagnerrp: | and you're doing it for something significantly lower quality |
| [03:01:00] | tgm4883: | Digital tuners FTW |
| [03:01:19] | logician: | my playback set is a 2000 rca 20" tv |
| [03:02:32] | logician: | and the external motorola does a great job of displaying hd tv on that old set right now |
| [03:02:37] | jams: | logician, some of the AIW cards did work for real time viewing only. That could be where part of the confusion is coming from |
| [03:03:18] | logician: | look, I can do this in windows 7 right now |
| [03:03:22] | wagnerrp: | which was not recording, but a special mode in the drivers that would pass data from the tuner straight out the graphics port, bypassing the rest of the system entirely |
| [03:03:37] | wagnerrp: | logician: and that's fine, because ATI supported Windows |
| [03:03:40] | wagnerrp: | they didn't support Linu |
| [03:03:41] | wagnerrp: | x |
| [03:03:57] | logician: | this old 9800 and the rf remote that came with it work in win7 |
| [03:03:57] | wagnerrp: | not enough to care to write tuner drivers for it anyway |
| [03:04:09] | wagnerrp: | it all comes down to drivers |
| [03:04:20] | wagnerrp: | well.. that, and the whole sanity thing |
| [03:04:23] | wagnerrp: | !seen awalls |
| [03:04:24] | MythLogBot: | awalls was last seen 11 hours 13 minutes 19 seconds ago |
| [03:04:25] | tgm4883: | logician, he is saying it isn't a hardware limitation |
| [03:04:29] | tgm4883: | it's a driver limitation |
| [03:04:42] | wagnerrp: | man, none of the linuxtv folks on currently |
| [03:04:53] | logician: | I am having a hard time believing that myth doesn't have something as good as mce for win7 |
| [03:05:15] | tgm4883: | logician, windows drivers don't magically work on linux |
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| [03:05:29] | tgm4883: | and I'm unsure what you mean by that statement |
| [03:05:32] | wagnerrp: | this is not windows, we don't have a massive amount of users to fund development of drivers for every piece of hardware under the sky |
| [03:06:03] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use mythtv, if you want to use linux in general, you need to get hardware that is supported by the operating system |
| [03:06:20] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, +1, that statement goes for every OS |
| [03:06:29] | wagnerrp: | you can't just throw anything you find on the scrap heap at it and expect it to work |
| [03:06:49] | logician: | granted |
| [03:06:50] | tgm4883: | if you buy hardware that isn't supported in windows, and try to use it with windows 7, you're going to have a bad time |
| [03:06:51] | Chicago: | well he could, but he would be wrong |
| [03:07:19] | wagnerrp: | a 2.8GHz P4 WILL manage HD MPEG2 decoding |
| [03:07:25] | wagnerrp: | but it will be at its limits |
| [03:07:30] | tgm4883: | yea just barely |
| [03:07:31] | Chicago: | this is true |
| [03:07:33] | wagnerrp: | you'll need to turn off things like deinterlacing |
| [03:07:43] | tgm4883: | I could almost get it with my athlon xp 2500+ |
| [03:07:46] | wagnerrp: | and you may occasionally choke on higher bitrate stuff |
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| [03:08:17] | logician: | so, if I am hearing the collective correcty, using an ir blaster to control an external atsc tuner for ota, I will not be able to use an ATI 9800 AIW Pro to record/playback tv |
| [03:08:32] | wagnerrp: | not under linux, no |
| [03:08:43] | logician: | well there it is then |
| [03:08:46] | wagnerrp: | and there is no sense in doing it with any card |
| [03:08:50] | tgm4883: | the key problem piece being the ATI 9800 AIW Pro |
| [03:09:13] | wagnerrp: | the key problem being it is madness to attempt that in the first place |
| [03:09:19] | logician: | I tried it with a PCTV 801SE first.. |
| [03:09:19] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, well true |
| [03:09:28] | wagnerrp: | the nail in the coffin being you can't do it anyway due to driver support |
| [03:09:43] | logician: | not near enough hp under the hood for that thing |
| [03:10:02] | wagnerrp: | any of the pinnacle stuff is going to be a framegrabber |
| [03:10:11] | logician: | madness, heh. to repurpose older computer hardware... |
| [03:10:13] | wagnerrp: | meaning your PC needs to do live compression of the audio and video in software |
| [03:10:42] | tgm4883: | framegrabbers, bleh :( |
| [03:11:05] | wagnerrp: | no, madness to overcomplicate things when there is a simple alternative available |
| [03:11:11] | wagnerrp: | the simple alternative being a digital tuner |
| [03:11:17] | logician: | I haven't found anything that can bring in vhs video content like my 9800 |
| [03:11:27] | tgm4883: | err, the PCTV 801SE is a digital tuner |
| [03:11:34] | tgm4883: | why are you trying to get analog on it? |
| [03:11:35] | Chicago: | logician, the hauppauge PVR-150 will do just fine |
| [03:12:04] | wagnerrp: | the -150 will do a lot better if you use svideo, rather than the tuners |
| [03:12:08] | logician: | that pctv 801se brought that p4 to its knees |
| [03:12:10] | tgm4883: | yep |
| [03:12:28] | tgm4883: | logician, it should have just been writing to disk, not using any CPU |
| [03:12:29] | wagnerrp: | logician: recording off the DTA? or recording directly off the antenna? |
| [03:12:44] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: if he was capturing analog off the DTA, it would be doing software compression |
| [03:12:48] | logician: | directly off of antenna |
| [03:12:55] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, well then he would be doing it wrong |
| [03:13:16] | tgm4883: | logician, seriously, it shouldn't be using much CPU at all |
| [03:13:39] | wagnerrp: | recording, no it shouldn't |
| [03:13:46] | wagnerrp: | playback, it should be close to maxed out |
| [03:13:47] | logician: | I had a dual core laptop laying around, and the 801se with win7 media center works great |
| [03:13:57] | tgm4883: | logician, you were trying to playback content weren't you |
| [03:14:24] | logician: | on the p4, I was just trying to watch live tv broadcasts |
| [03:14:33] | tgm4883: | yea, that is why |
| [03:14:38] | wagnerrp: | was this on linux or windows? |
| [03:15:00] | logician: | windows, I could not get linux to see the 801se.. |
| [03:15:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah, to be honest, i don't know if that card is supported by linux |
| [03:15:38] | logician: | but if myth will support the 801se, and it will run on a single core p4, that is my new fix |
| [03:15:47] | wagnerrp: | chances are you were using too intensive a deinterlace filter, or some other video post processing |
| [03:15:51] | tgm4883: | IDK if the 801SE is supported either |
| [03:16:09] | tgm4883: | even then, you wouldn't be able to do playback as you've already seen |
| [03:16:14] | wagnerrp: | too much for that CPU to decode AND postprocess at once |
| [03:16:55] | logician: | I think it needed a firmware update for linux, and i didn't want to screw it up by doing that as I didn't know how to flash it back to the original firmware |
| [03:17:11] | wagnerrp: | it's not like it takes a lot of power to run mythtv |
| [03:17:25] | wagnerrp: | just about any athlon64 is sufficient |
| [03:17:39] | wagnerrp: | and any 64-bit capable P4 is likely powerful enough as well |
| [03:17:49] | logician: | I have mythbuntu 12.04 loaded on the box now..actually looking at it as we chat |
| [03:17:53] | wagnerrp: | im talking 7–8 year old systems capable of HD MPEG2 |
| [03:18:19] | wagnerrp: | you're just trying to use something right on the edge |
| [03:18:24] | logician: | I thought my aiw 9800 could do mpeg2 on the fly onboard |
| [03:18:35] | wagnerrp: | in windows? maybe |
| [03:18:41] | logician: | but, I don't need that |
| [03:18:47] | wagnerrp: | in linux? ATI promised XvMC support for years, and ever delivered |
| [03:18:50] | wagnerrp: | *never |
| [03:19:12] | logician: | look, what I want to do is simple |
| [03:19:26] | wagnerrp: | XvMC being partial hardware decoding of MPEG2 |
| [03:19:57] | logician: | use mythtv, control an external atsc tuner box with an ir blaster, and record ota shows on channel 3 |
| [03:20:25] | wagnerrp: | yes, and we're telling you that is both dumb, and not capable on your hardware |
| [03:20:41] | logician: | dumb seems harsh |
| [03:20:48] | tgm4883: | logician, no, it really is |
| [03:20:50] | logician: | not capable, I can live with |
| [03:20:53] | wagnerrp: | and yet deserving |
| [03:21:02] | wagnerrp: | IR blasters are a pain to deal with |
| [03:21:05] | logician: | windows does it |
| [03:21:10] | wagnerrp: | you only deal with them if you have no other options |
| [03:21:13] | tgm4883: | logician, oh we aren't saying it can't be done |
| [03:21:16] | logician: | so, there is an os that can do it |
| [03:21:16] | wagnerrp: | you do have other options, a digital tuner |
| [03:21:22] | tgm4883: | we're just saying it's not the optimal solution |
| [03:21:28] | wagnerrp: | yes yes, mythtv CAN do exactly what you're asking |
| [03:21:44] | wagnerrp: | we're saying you don't WANT to do it on mythtv, nor would you want to do it on windows either |
| [03:21:49] | logician: | wait, I am dumb..but mythtv can do it |
| [03:22:02] | tgm4883: | logician, that isn't what we said |
| [03:22:08] | tgm4883: | logician, we said what you want to do is dumb |
| [03:22:14] | tgm4883: | and mythtv can do it |
| [03:22:24] | wagnerrp: | can, yes... because with digital cable, or digital satellite, there is often no other option than doing it that way |
| [03:22:36] | wagnerrp: | when there is another option, you take it |
| [03:22:42] | logician: | ok, than lets get on with how mythtv can do it |
| [03:22:58] | wagnerrp: | with your hardware, it can't, do to lack of driver support |
| [03:23:24] | wagnerrp: | the linuxtv group does not support capture on your hardware, the lirc group does not support IR on your hardware |
| [03:23:24] | logician: | guys, I feel like you are driving me around in a donut |
| [03:23:42] | tgm4883: | logician, 1) buy a supported tuner (like the PVR-150), 2) setup ir blasting with LIRC, 3) setup mythtv to blast the channel and record via PVR-150 SVIDEO |
| [03:23:44] | wagnerrp: | no, we're telling you the answer you need to hear, you just refuse to accept it |
| [03:24:23] | wagnerrp: | you're going about this completely backwards |
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| [03:24:36] | wagnerrp: | you've got the hardware you're going to use, and trying to figure out how to make it suit your application |
| [03:24:49] | wagnerrp: | you should start with your application, and figure out what hardware is needed to achieve that |
| [03:25:11] | tgm4883: | application being "you want to watch tv", not software application |
| [03:25:26] | tgm4883: | or rather "you want to record TV off of an antenna" |
| [03:26:47] | logician: | the big take away, I think, from this chat session is that myth won't support the 9800 as a capture device |
| [03:26:59] | tgm4883: | logician, yea, we said that like an hour ago |
| [03:27:04] | wagnerrp: | more correctly, linux wont support the 9800 as a capture device |
| [03:27:17] | wagnerrp: | we don't do drivers, we just use the driver APIs |
| [03:27:26] | tgm4883: | even more correctly, ATI doesn't support the 9800 on Linux |
| [03:27:27] | logician: | I know, but the stuff I have read contradicts that |
| [03:27:29] | wagnerrp: | if no drivers are provided, there's nothing we can do about it |
| [03:27:37] | wagnerrp: | what stuff claims the 9800 is supported? |
| [03:27:57] | logician: | well, let me look at my search history |
| [03:28:16] | logician: | http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1327982 |
| [03:28:22] | Chicago: | logician, these guys are definitely the people most familiar with Myth on the planet |
| [03:28:59] | wagnerrp: | logician: that thread is talking about video OUT, not IN |
| [03:29:01] | logician: | chicago--> oh, I am getting that lima charlie |
| [03:29:17] | wagnerrp: | Xorg is for output, not capture |
| [03:29:48] | logician: | roger that..that was one I had handy..stby |
| [03:29:52] | wagnerrp: | and further still it's not even an all-in-wonder card, just a vanilla 9800 |
| [03:30:32] | tgm4883: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI/AMD#ATI . . . e_facilities |
| [03:31:59] | tgm4883: | logician, even if it was supported, we'd recommend against it because it doesn't have a hardware encoder |
| [03:32:12] | wagnerrp: | there's a link to a mailing list thread specifically about the AIW 9600 |
| [03:32:15] | wagnerrp: | but the link is dead |
| [03:32:22] | wagnerrp: | and i can't find it elsewhere in archives |
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| [03:33:21] | logician: | gawd..I can't believe how many searches I have tried..geesh.. |
| [03:34:20] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, on a different topic, do you know how I'm supposed to give credit if I borrowed the find backend functionality from the python bindings? |
| [03:34:30] | tgm4883: | cause you wrote that right? |
| [03:34:53] | wagnerrp: | feel free to snag it creditless |
| [03:34:59] | wagnerrp: | it's just a simple SSDP search |
| [03:35:02] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [03:35:07] | wagnerrp: | or M-search |
| [03:35:09] | wagnerrp: | something like that |
| [03:35:18] | tgm4883: | I had to pull it into my code and port it to python 3 |
| [03:35:24] | tgm4883: | yea msearch |
| [03:35:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i need to get around to porting the bindings one of these days |
| [03:35:56] | wagnerrp: | i need to get around to about a dozen different things in the code... :) |
| [03:36:01] | tgm4883: | heh |
| [03:36:22] | tgm4883: | I'm working on the backend stuff for my unity scope so we can use the services API |
| [03:36:32] | tgm4883: | Currently just doing everything |
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| [03:41:23] | wagnerrp: | at the moment, i really just want to get my new frontend running |
| [03:41:44] | wagnerrp: | bought an ivy bridge processor, and an old H67 board |
| [03:42:07] | wagnerrp: | and it seems the firmware is older than the version released 6 months ago with ivy bridge support |
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| [03:42:27] | wagnerrp: | so the system wont boot, and i don't actually have a compatible CPU to boot it with to upgrade the firmware |
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| [03:42:39] | wagnerrp: | company was supposed to be shipping out a replacement ROM chip... hasn't yet arrived |
| [03:45:34] | tgm4883: | that sucks |
| [03:45:58] | tgm4883: | I hate slow shipping :( |
| [03:48:16] | logician: | whelp, to close..it is a shame that I cannot use my 9800 aiw in linux to record ota via an external atsc tuner with an ir blaster. for pvr purposes, it looks like windows and linux require about the exact same hardware. shame shame shame |
| [03:48:45] | wagnerrp: | why is that a shame? |
| [03:48:57] | tgm4883: | logician, you could try contacting ATI and see if they will give you drivers for Linux |
| [03:48:59] | wagnerrp: | it doesn't make sense to try to indefinitely prop up antiquated hardware |
| [03:49:16] | wagnerrp: | are you intending to leave this system on all the time? |
| [03:49:39] | wagnerrp: | if so, new hardware would pay for it in relatively short order in terms of reduced electricity and cooling costs |
| [03:50:02] | logician: | I dunno, linux has always kinda been that os that will support older hardware and kick windows ass doing it.. |
| [03:50:43] | wagnerrp: | linux doesn't abandon hardware as rapidly as windows |
| [03:50:49] | logician: | it seems they are both kind of coming to a merge |
| [03:50:51] | wagnerrp: | but when it never supported the hardware in the first place... |
| [03:51:16] | wagnerrp: | it all comes down to developer time |
| [03:51:28] | wagnerrp: | someone has to be interested in using the hardware in order to develop drivers |
| [03:51:49] | wagnerrp: | and the problem with those AIW cards is that tied to graphics hardware, they were outdated much faster than discrete tuners |
| [03:52:08] | wagnerrp: | as such, individual users weren't going to spend a whole lot of effort developing support for them |
| [03:52:27] | wagnerrp: | and if ATI isn't going to foot the bill for driver development otherwise, it simply won't ever get done |
| [03:54:24] | logician: | good stuff |
| [03:54:54] | logician: | these ati cards were awesome though |
| [03:55:18] | wagnerrp: | almost a decade ago |
| [03:55:24] | logician: | exactly |
| [03:55:41] | logician: | but there wasn't anything like them at the time |
| [03:55:41] | tgm4883: | I'm not sure they were that awesome |
| [03:55:51] | tgm4883: | logician, that isn't necessarily a good thing |
| [03:56:23] | logician: | for some reason, when I was doing some conversion back in the day, I thought they had on board mpeg encoding |
| [03:56:41] | wagnerrp: | they very well may have |
| [03:56:44] | logician: | at least that was what I was led to believe |
| [03:57:04] | tgm4883: | logician, In my 2 minutes of searching, people say no it didn't |
| [03:57:12] | logician: | the vhs stuff that I was able to transcode was perfect |
| [03:58:26] | wagnerrp: | many would say you're better off just buying the crap a second time on DVD, than trying to capture it off VHS |
| [03:58:27] | logician: | I think it was mpeg-2 hardware encoding |
| [03:58:55] | logician: | these were mostly home videos |
| [04:00:01] | logician: | I was using a p4 2.4ghz northwood... |
| [04:00:40] | logician: | after conversion, it took several hours to make a dvd back then |
| [04:01:12] | logician: | my i7–2600k can do it in minutes |
| [04:01:34] | logician: | crazy fast |
| [04:02:01] | tgm4883: | a few more searching, everything I see says it's a software encoder |
| [04:02:19] | logician: | heh, ok |
| [04:02:31] | logician: | it wasn't..it was an onboard encoder |
| [04:02:39] | wagnerrp: | if it's "several hours", that's software conversion |
| [04:02:42] | tgm4883: | logician, if you have i7–2600k machines, I question your logic for using a software encoder anyway |
| [04:02:50] | wagnerrp: | any hardware compressor would be real time |
| [04:03:12] | logician: | to transcode for dvd, it took several hours |
| [04:03:27] | tgm4883: | logician, if it had a hardware encoder, you wouldn't need to transcode |
| [04:03:29] | logician: | that was a seperate process |
| [04:03:35] | wagnerrp: | if it were encoding to MPEG2 in the first place, there would be no need to transcode |
| [04:04:17] | logician: | when I built the dvd back then, as I remember, it was a collection of several clips. it took hours for the thing to finish |
| [04:05:09] | tgm4883: | I think you were doing it wrong. And also that card doesn't have a hardware encoder |
| [04:05:35] | wagnerrp: | nah, several hours for a full length DVD sounds about right |
| [04:06:08] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, if you already have mpeg2 files? |
| [04:06:23] | wagnerrp: | no, if doing software encoding |
| [04:06:30] | tgm4883: | exactly |
| [04:06:37] | logician: | all I can say is after I cut the video for the dvd and made the menu it took hours to compile |
| [04:08:06] | wagnerrp: | that is, assuming the authoring program was intelligent enough to only transcode if necessary |
| [04:10:20] | logician: | trying to find out what program I used back then.. |
| [04:11:00] | logician: | regardless, I still believe the 9800 was able to do mpeg-2 on the fly |
| [04:12:20] | logician: | I had an 8500 AIW back in the day too..might be confusing that |
| [04:13:11] | tgm4883: | logician, not that I care, but show me anything that that says it has hardware ENCODING onboard |
| [04:13:53] | logician: | let me look..this kind of trivia is always fun |
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| [04:14:30] | logician: | I can attest to the fact that any kind of video editing that I did back then took hours |
| [04:14:36] | logician: | which really sucked |
| [04:15:45] | logician: | hence; when intel announce quick sync I bought the 2600k almost immediately..although I have yet to use it! |
| [04:17:24] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, it's still not supported in linux |
| [04:17:43] | logician: | I think I got that...hours ago... |
| [04:19:01] | wagnerrp: | i mean quick sync |
| [04:31:08] | logician: | maybe the 9800 doesn't have onboard encoding..dunno..can't find the program I used to create the dvd's back then either..but vegas comes to mind. it was discouraging back then how long it took to make a dvd though..that I remember. and this chat session was great..I will put my old 9800's, d845geb's, etc up for auction on ebay to clear out the clutter. |
| [04:34:38] | wagnerrp: | don't expect much for them |
| [04:34:59] | wagnerrp: | you can find better gear being tossed out by companies in the trash |
| [04:36:21] | logician: | heck, I bought an msi board with an intel G530 from fry's the other day for $70..so I know the hardware is cheap..was going to use that for my pvr, but ended up buying windows 8 for $40 and upgrading the pc my boys use--they love the metro front end..easy to access their favorite apps I guess. |
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| [04:38:14] | logician: | btw, that msi board with the g530 and win7 with the 801se kicked ass.. |
| [04:38:45] | wagnerrp: | in so far as low quality analog can "kick ass" |
| [04:40:18] | logician: | nah, that thing was bringing in full hd and playing it back simultaneously without even breathing hard |
| [04:40:42] | wagnerrp: | oh, being used as a digital tuner |
| [04:42:02] | logician: | with the 801se usb stick, yes. but it was recording and playing, etc. and the cpu wasn't even doing anything hardly |
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| [04:42:32] | logician: | no add-on video card..nothing..and just 4 GB of ram |
| [04:43:07] | wagnerrp: | the g530 itself has hardware decode acceleration |
| [04:43:28] | logician: | I guess the thing that kills me is that I am looking at my comcast rng200n box on top of my tv and that thing can do everything |
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| [04:43:46] | logician: | hard to believe I cannot get that performance out of this old hardware |
| [04:44:41] | wagnerrp: | and just to piss you off, it is considerably less capable than that P4, and probably runs linux |
| [04:45:03] | logician: | heh, I am no stranger to linux |
| [04:45:16] | logician: | had some fun with some leapsters a few years ago |
| [04:45:55] | logician: | linux is everywhere..so why can't I build a cheap pvr with this stuff |
| [04:46:04] | wagnerrp: | drivers |
| [04:46:14] | logician: | well said. |
| [04:47:27] | logician: | k, giving up the quest. moving on. kirk out! |
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| [08:29:46] | esperegu: | when starting mythtv it automatically starts with liveTV. anyone knows where I can set mythtv show the library on startup instead? |
| [08:30:23] | wagnerrp: | the only way to do that is on the command line |
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| [08:30:33] | wagnerrp: | change the command line to set a different starting jumpoint |
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| [08:31:18] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: how should that read in that case? |
| [08:32:55] | wagnerrp: | well how are you starting directly into livetv? |
| [08:34:50] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: just pressing TV. I use lmce |
| [08:36:56] | wagnerrp: | then you really need to ask the linuxmce people how to do what you want to do |
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| [08:39:15] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: how should I do it on commandline? maybe I can start it manually |
| [08:41:28] | esperegu: | cause liveTV is failing and when I cancel the liveTV it goes to the menu for a few seconds and then automatically starts it again |
| [08:41:33] | esperegu: | so I cannot do anything |
| [08:43:15] | wagnerrp: | assuming linuxmce is still running stock mythtv, and not introducing their own hooks to get to livetv |
| [08:43:25] | wagnerrp: | you would run mythtv on the command line with '--jumppoint' |
| [08:43:38] | esperegu: | wagnerrp: thats it? |
| [08:43:56] | esperegu: | just: 'mythfrontend --jumppoint' |
| [08:43:59] | wagnerrp: | what the specific names for the livetv and video library jumppoints are, i don't know off hand |
| [08:44:09] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend --jumppoint <jumppoint name> |
| [08:44:10] | esperegu: | aha |
| [08:44:13] | esperegu: | k thx |
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| [09:24:21] | prologic: | If I've edited a tv recording and put in some cut points and started a Transcoding job. Where does it put the transcoded resulting video by default? |
| [09:24:38] | wagnerrp: | it replaces the existing recording |
| [09:25:47] | prologic: | ahh ok |
| [09:26:05] | prologic: | how do I grab that and convert it to something others might be able to watch on their PCs? |
| [09:26:45] | wagnerrp: | use the lossless transcoding |
| [09:26:54] | wagnerrp: | and just use the resultant MPEG2 PS |
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| [10:38:31] | gaffy: | Hi, I am having issues with MythWeb – I can only seem to get an 'Index Page' to show, and not mythweb itself. |
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| [11:10:26] | prologic: | wagnerrp, I guess I can find the filename in the database |
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| [13:32:32] | wagnerrp: | prologic: or use mythlink.pl, or access it through mythweb |
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| [14:25:19] | bergqvistjl: | has anyone here had problems with the opengl painter with onboard graphics, i.e. it working fine on one boot, yet on the next boot, it freezes on startup, locking the entire system? |
| [14:25:26] | bergqvistjl: | when mythwelcome or mythfrontend loads |
| [14:27:03] | bergqvistjl: | Yet I don't get this problem at all with the Qt painter |
| [14:28:11] | bergqvistjl: | its so odd |
| [14:28:40] | bergqvistjl: | I mean, i could understand if opengl failed every time, but other times it works fine, yet when i reboot the machine and load mythwelcome again, it crashes :/ |
| [14:28:56] | bergqvistjl: | it's not even at the same place it crashes either, sometimes i get a few more status lines come up before it hangs :/ |
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| [14:35:26] | bergqvistjl: | if i try to play a recording using the opengl profile, while the painter is set to qt, it also freezes in the same way too |
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| [21:16:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that's the one (which_recorder.py) I was looking for |
| [21:16:55] | sphery: | we should get the perl one off the wiki |
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| [21:29:54] | boykillsworld: | I just upgraded to 25 where did the option go to run comskip as your recording? |
| [21:30:30] | [R]: | in the mythtv-setup |
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| [22:41:11] | davygrvy: | What viewing and recording "allowance" can I expect from a Ceton InfiniTV 4 tuner with a CableCard? Can I at least view premium channels marked "Copy Never (0x03)" or are we SOL for any flags set? |
| [22:43:04] | wagnerrp: | SOL for any flags set |
| [22:43:15] | wagnerrp: | well... we can accept the Copy Freely flag |
| [22:43:20] | davygrvy: | grrr.. thanks |
| [22:43:25] | davygrvy: | thought so |
| [22:43:27] | wagnerrp: | those flags denote copy protection |
| [22:43:34] | davygrvy: | yes |
| [22:43:36] | wagnerrp: | and as an open source project, we cannot enforce any form of copy protection |
| [22:43:48] | wagnerrp: | it is categorically impossible |
| [22:44:14] | davygrvy: | exactly.. unless this card was under windows and it's locked status |
| [22:45:15] | davygrvy: | thanks for the clarify |
| [22:45:57] | wagnerrp: | feel free to complain to your senator and/or congressmen and be ignored about the evils of DRM in comparison to basic conditional access |
| [22:51:15] | davygrvy: | :) |
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