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| [01:11:46] | PSU: | hi guys, looks like Comcast added a few additional HD channels to my lineup. What's the easiest way to update my channel listing to include these new channels? Using Hauppauge WinTV-DCR-2650 Dual Tuner CableCARD Receiver... |
| [01:14:42] | wagnerrp: | same way you added them in the first place |
| [01:14:56] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup, video source, import lineup from listings source |
| [01:14:59] | PSU: | heh that was almost a yr ago...do i need to rescan for all? |
| [01:15:09] | wagnerrp: | no, you cannot scan on cablecard tuners |
| [01:15:21] | PSU: | ah ok, that may have been my mistake |
| [01:16:18] | PSU: | so after that would you run "mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all" ? |
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| [01:25:06] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [01:26:41] | PSU: | ok, thx |
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| [01:55:26] | PSU: | hmm, having problem tuning the new channel, although it works fine on my std cable box |
| [01:55:33] | PSU: | here's what i see in the backend log |
| [01:56:54] | PSU: | http://pastebin.com/eJNn5vPP |
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| [02:23:00] | PSU: | wagnerrp: looks like this is the main error: Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(1313) desired(1307) i am trying to tune 1307 but it doesn't load |
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| [03:13:25] | somethinginteres: | Something is going wrong with my recording rules. Anything I set to "record daily" it always says "Find Daily -1 previously recorded". That of course is not true. It's just that the show recorded the day -before- and so it won't record it today. That's not meant to happen. Any help would be great. Thanks. |
| [03:18:39] | wagnerrp: | sounds like trouble with duplicate matching |
| [03:19:31] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: OK. Anything I can do or? |
| [03:19:54] | wagnerrp: | look at the duplicate matching mechanism, perhaps turn it off for that rule entirely |
| [03:21:04] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: sorry, how would I go about looking at that? Somewhere in settings? |
| [03:21:21] | wagnerrp: | should be options when creating a recording rule |
| [03:21:59] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: OK. Will look now. |
| [03:24:29] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: OK it's got match dupes using subtitle and description and "look for dupes in current and previous recordings" |
| [03:25:04] | wagnerrp: | any chance this show has very limited data, such that that information would be the same from day to day? |
| [03:25:17] | wagnerrp: | such as a news program |
| [03:25:38] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: the description for the show looks generic so I think yes, it'd be the same daily. |
| [03:25:52] | wagnerrp: | you may just want to disable duplicate matching entirely |
| [03:26:17] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: OK will do. |
| [03:27:45] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: what does the "d" and "w" mean next to the show name on the recording rules screen? |
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| [03:34:40] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: there's a second duplicate rule set up below the one that I said "don't match dupes" but I can't get to it via the keyboard. "look for dupes in previous and current recordings" |
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| [03:42:44] | lwizardl: | does this channel have a user seen script ? |
| [03:43:01] | wagnerrp: | !seen lwizardl |
| [03:43:01] | MythLogBot: | lwizardl is here and has been idle for 17 seconds |
| [03:43:06] | lwizardl: | cool |
| [03:43:10] | lwizardl: | !seen iamlindoro |
| [03:43:10] | MythLogBot: | iamlindoro was last seen 150 days 10 hours 50 minutes 45 seconds ago |
| [03:43:18] | lwizardl: | damn |
| [03:43:33] | wagnerrp: | what are you looking for, specifically |
| [03:44:23] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, well like a year ago or so iamlindoro and I was talking about my issue with comcast. he said I have a grounding issue in the house from my video recording that i posted. |
| [03:44:40] | wagnerrp: | also known as a "ground loop" |
| [03:45:16] | lwizardl: | I was going to ask him for some information on fixing it. I have had about 10 electricians here and none have found any issues. but it only effects the comcast signal |
| [03:46:29] | wagnerrp: | how are you capturing the content? |
| [03:47:00] | lwizardl: | RCA cables going from the Comcast box(es) into my dvr |
| [03:47:25] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: this show is having the same problem. Different description daily. Can't reach that bottom option via keyboard: http://imgur.com/9KzzT |
| [03:47:36] | wagnerrp: | the issue is the shield is not properly grounded against your home |
| [03:48:03] | wagnerrp: | so you are inducing a signal across the shield, causing disruption in the signal line |
| [03:48:23] | wagnerrp: | make sure all your cables are properly crimped |
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| [03:49:07] | wagnerrp: | somethinginteres: what can't you reach? |
| [03:49:13] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, I have replaced all the cables, even tried the overpriced monster cables. same issue. |
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| [03:50:21] | wagnerrp: | should have never gone that far |
| [03:50:32] | ertyu-m: | is your comcast box plugged into the same place as the dvr? |
| [03:50:40] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: the bottom option "search for dupes in previous recordings" http://imgur.com/9KzzT |
| [03:50:41] | wagnerrp: | same wall socket |
| [03:50:45] | lwizardl: | ertyu-m, yes |
| [03:51:38] | ertyu-m: | the same duplex plug on a wall maybe different circuits sometimes |
| [03:52:44] | lwizardl: | k |
| [03:56:21] | ertyu-m: | I've seen cable companies fail to filter their power off the line before delivering it or perhaps they do it on purpose |
| [03:56:49] | ertyu-m: | my set top box seems to have an ability to retain settings even when unplugged, if it remains plugged into cable |
| [03:59:29] | ertyu-m: | or maybe thats just a software trigger, if it loses cable signal it dumps what it remembers |
| [03:59:49] | lwizardl: | ertyu-m, All I know is I have been dealing with this issue since 2009. I have paid multiple companies to come out and fix it, I have swapped out about 15 cable boxes from Comcast (about 5 different styles I have had in my room). and same issue |
| [04:00:48] | ertyu-m: | have you tried disconnecting everything but the video cable? |
| [04:01:07] | ertyu-m: | and tried to connect it so the shield is not connected, but the signal pin is? |
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| [04:01:13] | lwizardl: | I have completely unhooked everything and tried new cables and new devices |
| [04:01:32] | ertyu-m: | I mean recording without audio connected |
| [04:01:51] | lwizardl: | ertyu-m, if I don't use a terminated cable (just bare copper wire) the issue (hum, bars, etc) are gone |
| [04:01:59] | lwizardl: | no |
| [04:02:43] | ertyu-m: | you could just do that as a work around then :) |
| [04:03:30] | ertyu-m: | you can try getting some foil tape, connecting the shield of the cable to the pci card and the case |
| [04:03:41] | ertyu-m: | I know I've seen that done to get FCC testing to pass :( |
| [04:03:45] | lwizardl: | I even had new wall sockets installed in the room with GFCI installed to see the status of the grounding |
| [04:06:03] | ertyu-m: | or just anything conductive to test |
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| [04:15:25] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: no dice. Dunno what's up. |
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| [04:27:34] | lwizardl: | ertyu-m, okay just plugged it into another wall socket and sorta worked |
| [04:28:44] | lwizardl: | when pluging the cable from the wall straight into the cable box i have a small faint hum still. but if I plug the cable from the wall into my surge protector, and then plug a cable from the surge protector and then into the cable box the hum and bars are fully gone.just turned the surround sound up high and not hearing it |
| [04:30:13] | ertyu-m: | this is the signal cable? |
| [04:30:18] | lwizardl: | yes |
| [04:30:27] | lwizardl: | the main comcast cable |
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| [04:31:13] | ertyu-m: | that makes some sense, it is likely to be on a different ground plane |
| [04:31:27] | ertyu-m: | I believe it should pass through a ground box on the way into your house |
| [04:31:43] | ertyu-m: | +though?to correct that |
| [04:32:06] | ertyu-m: | does it just enter your house then go to a splitter or something? |
| [04:32:17] | lwizardl: | but this would be the first time in like 3 years that I have a good signal |
| [04:33:09] | uglyoldbob: | I have a pchdtv card setup and I am trying to use the analog capture. Audio works when I use the analog catv input, but I don't get the correct audio when trying to use composite or s-video inputs. How should I configure the card to get the right sound input for composite and s-video? |
| [04:33:11] | lwizardl: | ertyu-m, the line enters a splitter block from comcast, and then hooked to that splitter is a ground wire going into the houses ground |
| [04:33:44] | ertyu-m: | has that splitter ever been changed while you were diagnosing this? |
| [04:34:44] | lwizardl: | yes about 4 times |
| [04:34:52] | lwizardl: | once by me and others by comcast |
| [04:35:42] | ertyu-m: | and the ground wire is effectively connected? |
| [04:36:09] | lwizardl: | according to comcast and the electricians I have hired. Yes |
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| [04:37:04] | lwizardl: | thought about running a new ground rod in the yard and redoing all the grounding to that but figured it would just add a new loop and decided against it |
| [04:37:21] | ertyu-m: | getting beyond my knowledge |
| [04:37:32] | ertyu-m: | thinking about what the surge protector is doing?. |
| [04:37:59] | ertyu-m: | its likely going to couple the shield ground of the cable to the power ground, but likely indirectly |
| [04:38:14] | ertyu-m: | as its going to have some filtering circuitry to clamp a surge strike |
| [04:38:27] | lwizardl: | yeah |
| [04:38:45] | ertyu-m: | either of those two behaviours may be fixing the signal |
| [04:38:47] | lwizardl: | this was the original video I recorded (first weeks in the house) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnbWhVO-Los |
| [04:39:54] | lwizardl: | it was only that bad for like 6 months of random changes of boxes from comcast |
| [04:40:22] | lwizardl: | then they came out replaced the tap on the pole (at the street) and it cleaned up a bit |
| [04:40:47] | ertyu-m: | the surge bar may also be effectively decoupling the shield from input to output |
| [04:40:51] | wagnerrp: | oh yeah, that's definitely a ground loop |
| [04:43:22] | ertyu-m: | you can try moving that surge bar connection around and seeing if there are changes |
| [04:43:33] | ertyu-m: | like put it right on the input to your house or after the splitter |
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| [04:44:05] | lwizardl: | yeah I never tried that. I know that it wasn't just one tv that had the issue |
| [04:44:32] | ertyu-m: | you're seeing this on all your cable boxes? |
| [04:45:50] | lwizardl: | yeah it "was" doing similar effects on all the boxes in the house. but after swapping out boxes the others stopped. only one was still doing anything close to that |
| [04:46:18] | lwizardl: | most of the time it was just a hum bar and a buzzing |
| [04:46:29] | ertyu-m: | then I'd concentrate on the shared components?from where it enters to the house to the splitter |
| [04:46:40] | lwizardl: | after the tap on the pole was replaced nothing like the video has ever happened again |
| [04:46:50] | ertyu-m: | have you tried disconnecting the ground wire from the splitter to see what happens? |
| [04:47:28] | lwizardl: | I have not but they said that they tried that and nothing changed (if I remember correctly) |
| [04:49:05] | ertyu-m: | is the ground wire long from the spliter? |
| [04:49:13] | lwizardl: | yeah |
| [04:49:43] | lwizardl: | I would say about 6ft ish |
| [04:49:54] | ertyu-m: | oh, that's not too long |
| [05:00:09] | ertyu-m: | is the noise present on analog and digital channels? |
| [05:01:07] | lwizardl: | yes it was |
| [05:01:34] | lwizardl: | but the cable box was only connected to the tv/surround sound via RCA cables and not hdmi/rgb |
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| [05:47:50] | lapion: | does mythtv require a vbi device ? |
| [05:48:34] | wagnerrp: | only if you want closed caption data from an analog framegrabber |
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| [05:55:01] | lapion: | ok because I wanted to user /dev/v4l/by-id/devicename in stead of /dev/videoN because udev is ignoring all rules I create |
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| [05:56:26] | lapion: | wagnerrp, too bad pci device do not get a device in /dev/v4l/by-id |
| [05:56:45] | wagnerrp: | don't use framegrabbers? |
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| [10:02:20] | Peitolm: | is it possible to invoke a mythcommflag --rebuild for every recording on a specific input? |
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| [11:11:43] | stuartm: | no, it's never been adapted to work as a batch tool |
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| [11:48:11] | clever: | Peitolm: i think it has a --all flag though |
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| [11:58:46] | stuartm: | not according to --help |
| [12:00:29] | clever: | its there on my --help |
| [12:00:49] | clever: | removed at some day? |
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| [12:06:43] | stuartm: | not recently that I'm aware of, what version are you running? |
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| [12:09:35] | clever: | 0.23, when it was trunk |
| [12:10:34] | clever: | stuartm: yes, i'm a bad (lazy) boy |
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| [12:15:20] | stuartm: | ok, back then --all probably did the equivalent of "--method all" but that's just an instruction to try all commercial detection algorithms |
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| [12:26:39] | somethinginteres: | trying to turn off duplicate matching can't get to the last section "look for dupes in current recording". http://i.imgur.com/9KzzT.png |
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| [12:36:58] | clever: | stuartm: ah, i thought it applied to index rebuilding also |
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| [12:40:30] | stuartm: | eww, ugly theme |
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| [12:45:13] | stuartm: | somethinginteres: if you've disabled duplicate matching, which you have (Don't Match Duplicates) then the duplicate matching scope becomes irrelevant and hence is disabled |
| [12:45:44] | stuartm: | granted it could reflect that disabled state better |
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| [12:48:09] | somethinginteres: | stuartm: ah I see. I was told to disable that earlier today b/c myth isn't following my recording rules, or at least not appearing to. I have a "record daily" rule set for Modern Family and it keeps saying "recorded already won't record" or something. |
| [12:48:46] | somethinginteres: | stuartm: hopefully disabling the dupe detection will fix it |
| [12:48:48] | stuartm: | strange |
| [12:48:52] | stuartm: | is this in the US? |
| [12:50:24] | stuartm: | ah no, Australia |
| [12:50:24] | stuartm: | looks like a bad programid, only I know that the Oz grabbers don't provide those |
| [12:50:24] | stuartm: | somethinginteres: which version is this? |
| [12:54:28] | somethinginteres: | stuartm: 0.26 |
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| [12:55:33] | stuartm: | using Shepherd? |
| [12:56:55] | somethinginteres: | stuartm: actually no. Normally yes, just did my OS install so currently EIT data. Thought that might do in place of needing Shepherd |
| [12:58:03] | stuartm: | hmm, that might be supplying programids which are invalid – but I note that the subtitle for that episode is wrong, it's should be "Planes, Trains and Cars" and not "7:02 PM or Later" |
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| [12:58:58] | stuartm: | setting duplicate checking to "Subtitle then description" doesn't work? |
| [12:59:41] | stuartm: | heh, "10:30 AM – 10:30 AM" something is really very wrong there |
| [13:01:03] | somethinginteres: | stuartm: haha just noticed that. yeeeah might be time to install shepherd lol |
| [13:01:18] | somethinginteres: | stuartm: especially strange when the program airs at 7PM |
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| [13:03:16] | somethinginteres: | stuartm: I set it to "subs then description" doesn't seem that to have caused any conflicts. Somehow it appears to want to work correctly now but it missed tonights recording even with dupe detection off. |
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| [14:04:21] | sphery: | somethinginteres: note that "Find one daily" rules will find the /first/ episode that airs at or after the time of the episode used to create the rule |
| [14:05:05] | sphery: | somethinginteres: so, if you set up the rule using your 7:02 episode, and tomorrow's episode is 7:01, then that 7:01 will count as "covered by today's episode" |
| [14:05:52] | sphery: | somethinginteres: meaning a) ideally you'd get good guide data and use a real rule (like "any time on any channel") or b) if you have to use the find daily rules, you should probably go into the recording rule editor and change the find time to something a bit before the episode you want |
| [14:06:01] | clever: | ah, thats new, sounds like it would fix my timezone problems i had before |
| [14:06:28] | sphery: | or c) just tell it to record every episode and delete--or use recording rule overrides to say not to record--any episodes you know you've seen |
| [14:06:42] | sphery: | clever: it's been like that since find daily existed |
| [14:07:15] | clever: | i only remember 'record once daily', dont remember any 'find one daily' rules |
| [14:07:39] | clever: | but i need to upgrade badly |
| [14:08:08] | sphery: | you're probably thinking of a daily timeslot rule rather than a find one daily rule |
| [14:08:38] | ** sphery asserts that we have too many options and very few users know how to create the schedule they want ** | |
| [14:09:06] | sphery: | (and for some reason, most seem to think they need crazy rules rather than "any time on any channel", when "any/any" is almost always right) |
| [14:09:58] | sphery: | assuming useful guide data, that is--but MythTV without useful guide data is just a glorified VCR that requires manual programming every day |
| [14:11:11] | clever: | the issue i had, was a daily show, with 4 repeats per (shifted) day, with no originalairdate/subtitle |
| [14:11:29] | clever: | so in my local tz, 2 different episodes aired each day |
| [14:11:52] | clever: | 'find one daily' sounds like it would solve that issue |
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| [14:28:13] | stuartm: | sphery: the quirks and failings of 'find daily' and 'timeslot' rules are why gigem and I discussed dropping those entirely, users rightly expect those to do exactly what they say they will do without knowing that under certain scenarios it's just not possible for them to work |
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| [14:29:34] | stuartm: | 'Record All' with duplicate detection is better, at worst you get episodes you have to delete instead of episodes you wanted to watch not recording |
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| [14:31:05] | somethinginteres: | sphery: ah, I see. Yeah stuartm is right. That's not obvious but now I know I can make allowances. I plan to update to proper guide data too which will help. Australian TV is shocking for being early/late with programming... |
| [14:35:05] | sphery: | yeah, I've hard how bad Australian TV is when it comes to keeping on schedule... Generally, most users tend to just use record all rules and add start early/end late values to them |
| [14:35:20] | stuartm: | somethinginteres: I hear that said a lot, I'm amazed that there hasn't been a revolt over that, boycotts of broadcasters, petitions, government inquiries etc |
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| [14:46:04] | somethinginteres: | stuartm: yeah it's really bad. Sometimes up to 15min late. Not only that but they implement techniques to make commercial detection harder which is annoying too. It was hard enough getting them to give up EIT guide data |
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| [14:46:24] | somethinginteres: | stuartm: they said it was "copyrighted" and wouldn't allow its use. |
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| [16:27:31] | jst_: | Okay, so I've tried marking channels as favorites using "?", but it didn't work. I created a "Favorites" group and added them manually. "/" is jumping to the next channel, not the next favorite. How can I select the Favorite group as being my current group so "/" jumps between favorites only? |
| [16:29:51] | jst_: | Ohh, looks like "/" switches groups in the guide. Not sure how to get to the next channel in that group though. |
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| [16:36:45] | jams: | well this is odd. metadata for video keeps disappearing on me |
| [16:37:35] | jams: | one minute the gallery has box covers..leave and come back and it's all reset |
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| [16:51:47] | SteveGoodey: | !seen spherry |
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| [16:51:59] | MythLogBot: | sphery is here and has been idle for 2 hours 16 minutes 54 seconds |
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| [17:02:52] | wagnerrp: | jams: any chance you're in "file browse mode"? |
| [17:05:35] | jams: | actually yes i was, that is no longer the case. I was using that mode because browse library was missing some things after rescanning |
| [17:06:29] | wagnerrp: | i need to get the new scanner in soon |
| [17:06:36] | wagnerrp: | i hope to have that whole thing replaced in time for 0.27 |
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| [17:06:43] | jams: | now that i'm in browse library mode the boxart is back and it's displaing more files then I have :) |
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| [17:47:45] | noaXess: | hey ho |
| [17:51:30] | wagnerrp: | who you callin a ho? |
| [17:53:04] | noaXess: | wagnerrp: a lot of snow here ;) |
| [17:53:06] | noaXess: | wasup? |
| [17:53:24] | wagnerrp: | there was possible snow here, i've not seen any yet |
| [17:53:52] | noaXess: | about 40cm here.. but is going away, sun is comming back |
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| [18:02:19] | noaXess: | whant to as two issues i saw in my mythtv installatino 0.26 but foudn solution my self.. |
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| [18:50:00] | sphery: | Steve-Goodey: need something? |
| [18:51:50] | wagnerrp: | winning lottery ticket |
| [18:52:05] | sphery: | hehe |
| [18:53:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, did you see that jailbreaking a phone is legal, but jailbreaking a tablet is a DMCA violation (and the LoC is unable to change that, partly due to issues with the definition of a tablet) |
| [18:53:45] | sphery: | I hope no one rooted their Nook Color and installed Android on it... |
| [18:53:54] | wagnerrp: | a phone these days is nothing more than a tablet and a VOIP application |
| [18:53:57] | sphery: | I know Beirdo has a Nook Color... :) |
| [18:54:11] | sphery: | hehe, no it's not |
| [18:54:28] | wagnerrp: | prove it in court |
| [18:54:30] | sphery: | No one is actually using the VOIP part of LTE, despite their loud claims that they have LTE networks |
| [18:54:39] | wagnerrp: | oh wait, it will never go to court |
| [18:54:47] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [18:54:57] | wagnerrp: | because that would result in the entire DMCA unraveling in their fingertips |
| [18:55:36] | sphery: | oh, and really, jailbreaking a phone is only legal if you a) have multiple phones of different types and b) use e-reader software on those phones |
| [18:55:48] | sphery: | and want to be able to read the same book on them |
| [18:56:02] | sphery: | which makes no sense to me as I can get the Nook or Kindle app on Android or iOS |
| [18:56:15] | wagnerrp: | i could satisfy those conditions if it meant bringing that piece of legislation down on constitutional grounds |
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| [18:56:34] | sphery: | meaning the only thing it helps is the iPhone users who actually buy into Apple's iBooks scheme |
| [18:57:04] | sphery: | but it's still legal to jailbreak an Android phone... |
| [18:57:32] | sphery: | which is enough to convince me that I'll never understand laws--nor people working in the legal field |
| [18:59:21] | Nede82: | hi chat, sorry for my broken english! Mythtv 0.26 and streaming over http in firefox work. For view this stream in vlc? |
| [19:01:55] | sphery: | Nede82: I don't know much about Flash, but I'd suggest if you don't need the browser (i.e. you're not accessing the video from across the Internet), you just play back the actual file |
| [19:03:01] | sphery: | so use something like NFS/CIFS to mount the recording files on the system with VLC (which, presumably, does not have mythfrontend installed) and play the correct file... Using mythlink.pl, you can even get somewhat usable link file names that make it easier to find what to watch |
| [19:03:37] | Nede82: | sphery, Unfortunately, I'm trying to do stream via the internet and the actual file is too large .... |
| [19:03:48] | sphery: | or you may be able to use VLC to stream the video file from the mythbackend computer with the recording to the computer (without mythfrontend) that has VLC |
| [19:04:05] | wagnerrp: | then the only mechanism available currently is the flash viewer in mythweb |
| [19:04:08] | sphery: | so why do you want to use VLC instead of Firefox? |
| [19:04:20] | wagnerrp: | unless you want to write a frontend to the new HLS server |
| [19:05:15] | sphery: | you could just root around to find the URI that's being used to trigger the flash transcode and streaming and use that with VLC (but it's definitely not a supported solution--then again, the Flash proof of concept really isn't either) |
| [19:06:48] | Nede82: | sphery, wagnerrp thank you for your time!!! I try strem with vlc "server"....... |
| [19:07:36] | wagnerrp: | that will require you to do everything manually |
| [19:07:50] | wagnerrp: | since VLC does not offer any sort of menuing system to manage what it streams |
| [19:08:12] | wagnerrp: | at that point, you're just as well off using the HLS server integrated into mythbackend |
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| [19:08:34] | Nede82: | wagnerrp, I saw, uncomfortable |
| [19:08:49] | wagnerrp: | sphery: speaking of which, is that proxy module for mythweb sufficient for HLS? |
| [19:09:07] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, it stores and forwards whole pages |
| [19:09:20] | wagnerrp: | so i doubt that would work well for anything large |
| [19:09:33] | sphery: | I need to look at that again |
| [19:09:45] | sphery: | got really busy with work in the last few months, so haven't done anything with mythtv :( |
| [19:09:49] | Nede82: | wagnerrp, hls but the server has some sort of buffer? Internet in the stream freezes every 12 seconds clear .... |
| [19:09:58] | wagnerrp: | i actually rigged up some changes to make the video library sort-of work |
| [19:10:25] | sphery: | I'd love to get a nice proxy in place and start ripping out parts of mythweb... :) |
| [19:10:33] | wagnerrp: | but ran into a problem where the streaming code the mythmusic integration uses stalls out at 32MB |
| [19:10:48] | wagnerrp: | since it fills the remaining PHP buffer, and terminates |
| [19:10:52] | sphery: | ahhh |
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| [19:11:25] | wagnerrp: | still, i'd like to get the assorted direct access streams in mythweb transferred over to the services api in the near term |
| [19:11:42] | sphery: | agreed |
| [19:11:46] | wagnerrp: | i don't know my way though perl enough to make a rolling buffer |
| [19:11:58] | sphery: | does it have to be perl? |
| [19:12:07] | wagnerrp: | could be php |
| [19:12:08] | sphery: | wonder why we're using the perl for the flash and such... |
| [19:12:20] | sphery: | maybe should ask the MythWeb experts |
| [19:12:22] | wagnerrp: | most of the stream handlers are perl |
| [19:12:56] | sphery: | yeah... I wonder why they didn't do them as php. Maybe it was because they wanted to short-circuit the php framework they built? |
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| [19:13:12] | N0BOX: | and yet the only truly usable mythtv functions exposed to scripts are in python |
| [19:13:24] | wagnerrp: | here's what i had for the video... http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/MythTV/mythweb_video.patch |
| [19:13:34] | wagnerrp: | supposed to be just a quick hackjob to get something working |
| [19:13:35] | sphery: | yeah, the perl bindings are way more primitive than the python bindings |
| [19:13:43] | wagnerrp: | until i hit that streaming issue and gave up |
| [19:14:04] | wagnerrp: | the python bindings need a rewrite |
| [19:14:14] | N0BOX: | I have a script that I found on the wiki that uses the perl bindings to work with the database |
| [19:14:20] | sphery: | and the perl bindings need a redesign (for current MythTV) |
| [19:14:36] | wagnerrp: | they're too strictly tied to the database |
| [19:14:38] | sphery: | N0BOX: which script? |
| [19:14:49] | N0BOX: | i had to do a lot of work to make the transcoder portion of that script work |
| [19:14:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: perhaps when I finally get the mythtv data server in place, that will change :) |
| [19:15:00] | N0BOX: | x264_transcoder_high.pl |
| [19:15:02] | wagnerrp: | which was fine before, but less fine now that we're trying to divest everything of direct database access |
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| [19:15:27] | sphery: | of course, lots of other stuff I need to work on, too--including more important things I've been promising for way too long |
| [19:15:27] | N0BOX: | since I got it working well, I now wonder if I should convert it to python |
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| [19:16:00] | wagnerrp: | probably easier to just write a new copy from scratch in python |
| [19:16:03] | wagnerrp: | than try to port it directly |
| [19:16:14] | N0BOX: | that's basically what I mean |
| [19:16:28] | N0BOX: | just code it from scratch to do the same thing in python |
| [19:16:30] | sphery: | and would likely end up better than the perl one, and simpler, and easier to maintain with version changes |
| [19:16:36] | wagnerrp: | there's an awful lot of logic in this thing... |
| [19:16:47] | N0BOX: | most of the script is handled by regex and ffmpeg, anyway |
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| [19:17:01] | sphery: | I'm really amazed at how many people are still transcoding |
| [19:17:35] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, N0BOX is doing it for a portable device |
| [19:18:01] | N0BOX: | sphery: I have a ridiculously fast processor and transcoding to h.264 gives me almost the same quality as the mpeg2 version at 1/6th the size |
| [19:18:06] | wagnerrp: | in the long term, something that would ideally be covered by HLS |
| [19:18:09] | wagnerrp: | in the short term... |
| [19:18:15] | N0BOX: | and it will also play on my tablet |
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| [19:18:26] | sphery: | of course, since the whole mobile device craze has made it so that people are trying to use the wrong tools for the job of watching TV (since the devices don't properly support the necessary codecs, etc.) |
| [19:18:27] | wagnerrp: | now that's just not true |
| [19:18:50] | wagnerrp: | properly encoded h264 is only going to be 1/2–1/3 the size of properly encoded mpeg2 for the same quality |
| [19:18:52] | sphery: | N0BOX: no, changing from MPEG TS -> PS would cut 20% of the MPEG-2 size |
| [19:19:06] | sphery: | cutting commercials would cut another 33% or so |
| [19:19:13] | sphery: | meaning you're at 1/2 the size |
| [19:19:19] | wagnerrp: | you only get more than that if the mpeg2 encoder was garbage, or you're sacrificing quality |
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| [19:19:45] | sphery: | to maintain same quality, you'd need at least 1/2 the bandwidth as MPEG-2 |
| [19:19:49] | sphery: | (likely more) |
| [19:19:54] | N0BOX: | sphery: yeah, except the the commercial flagging program cuts out half or more of the SD broadcasts, and sometimes large chunks of the hd broadcasts |
| [19:20:01] | wagnerrp: | no, the original spec was for half the bandwidth |
| [19:20:07] | wagnerrp: | and they've improved it over the years |
| [19:20:29] | sphery: | N0BOX: that's why you use the editor to set cuts rather than blindly accepting the detected commercial markers as cuts |
| [19:20:35] | N0BOX: | well, I also convert hd1080to hd720 |
| [19:20:49] | wagnerrp: | but you shouldn't expect anything smaller than a third the size of the original, assuming the broadcast encoder was competant |
| [19:20:51] | N0BOX: | so that explains a lot of the space savings |
| [19:21:29] | N0BOX: | all of the hd programs here come across as 1080i excpet for FOX |
| [19:21:38] | wagnerrp: | (and ABC) |
| [19:21:39] | sphery: | IMHO, transcoding anything you don't plan to keep is a waste of electricity |
| [19:22:05] | sphery: | but then again, here in the US, it's illegal to keep a TV show you recorded, so... |
| [19:22:07] | N0BOX: | wagnerrp: I don't get ABC unless I give up everything but ABC and PBS |
| [19:22:19] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [19:22:24] | devinheitmueller: | Well, yeah, 720p is something like 44% the size of 1080i. |
| [19:22:25] | wagnerrp: | antenna alignment? |
| [19:22:27] | sphery: | time shifting is legal under fair use |
| [19:22:29] | N0BOX: | wagnerrp: antenna issues |
| [19:22:39] | sphery: | "hoarding" video isn't |
| [19:23:01] | sphery: | i.e. just because it was transmitted and you recorded it, doesn't mean you own it |
| [19:23:17] | sphery: | you just get to watch it (once) at some later time |
| [19:23:19] | wagnerrp: | you may want to look into bandpass filters, and linking two antenna togetnerrr |
| [19:23:25] | wagnerrp: | *together |
| [19:23:31] | N0BOX: | I only kee othe videos until everyone who wants to see it in my family has seen it |
| [19:24:11] | wagnerrp: | basically, you tie two antenna together, and filter one to only provide the channels you want |
| [19:24:13] | sphery: | N0BOX: yeah, so it seems to me that buying another 2TB HDD for $79.99 or a 3TB for $129.99 would be cheaper than the electricity you're using to constantly transcode things only to delete them later |
| [19:24:29] | N0BOX: | time to go... bbl :) |
| [19:24:36] | sphery: | later |
| [19:29:27] | stuartm: | 2TB for $80? :( |
| [19:29:56] | wagnerrp: | cheaper than ive seen, i picked up a 2TB for $100 about two months ago at microcenter |
| [19:29:57] | sphery: | stuartm: yeah, was one here in the US for that a couple days ago (may still be on sale) |
| [19:30:13] | sphery: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148725 |
| [19:30:16] | sphery: | yep, still on |
| [19:30:24] | sphery: | oh, wait, that's a 1.5 |
| [19:30:30] | sphery: | but there was a 2TB |
| [19:31:10] | sphery: | it was the first I've seen at that price since the floods... just helped a friend find a 2TB for $89.99 about 3 days before this sale |
| [19:33:21] | stuartm: | at that price it would be worth me buying one and having it shipped ;) |
| [19:35:13] | wagnerrp: | import taxes? |
| [19:35:25] | stuartm: | cheapest I can find right now is $121 |
| [19:37:15] | sphery: | seems it's no longer on sale |
| [19:37:40] | sphery: | at least going through my browser history, I no longer see it |
| [19:38:02] | sphery: | (all the ones I've looked at are now more than that... but there are some $89.99 ones, still) |
| [19:39:40] | sphery: | then again, this 3TB at $119.99 is the same cost/gb as 2TB@$79.99 ($0.04/GB) – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148844 |
| [19:39:43] | stuartm: | I could use another with Christmas coming |
| [19:40:06] | sphery: | and may be more efficient when you factor in shipping and VAT |
| [19:40:57] | stuartm: | cheapest 3TB here is $160+ |
| [19:41:22] | sphery: | yeah, the $120 is a nice deal here, too |
| [19:41:53] | sphery: | until this one, all the 3TBs I'd seen had a price premium/GB compared to 2TB |
| [19:42:19] | neufeld: | Note that you can see product price histories at camelegg: http://camelegg.com/product/N82E16822148725?locale=US |
| [19:45:11] | stuartm: | that $160 (£100) one is in a sale too, £23 off |
| [19:49:49] | wagnerrp: | camelegg? as opposed to newegg? |
| [19:50:59] | stuartm: | sounds like camelcamelcamel |
| [19:51:18] | stuartm: | yeah, same people |
| [19:51:40] | neufeld: | camelegg scrapes the newegg price data and presents it. Price histories, dates of high/low, that sort of things. I find it sometimes helpful. |
| [19:52:36] | stuartm: | if it's like ccc then you can also create price alerts, when something you want drops below a threshold you've set they send you an email |
| [19:53:06] | stuartm: | I've used it a couple of times to pick up bargins on stuff (Amazon) |
| [19:57:15] | skd5aner: | wow, never heard of it |
| [19:57:17] | skd5aner: | nice |
| [19:58:50] | wagnerrp: | its a shame anandtech stopped running their RTPE |
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| [19:59:30] | wagnerrp: | they used to offer charts like $/GB |
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| [20:41:26] | N0BOX: | whee... back |
| [20:42:34] | N0BOX: | I would love to sink a bunch of money into hard drives and all, but I've already blown all the money I can afford to on my computer for a while |
| [20:42:49] | N0BOX: | disability checks aren't as big as actual paychecks :((( |
| [20:43:05] | N0BOX: | and that wouldn't solve the tablet playback issue |
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| [20:43:40] | N0BOX: | I'm also a computer snob, so those cheap 5400/5900rpm drives simply aren't an option ;) |
| [20:44:28] | N0BOX: | I bought a bunch of cheap seagate barracuda drives to build my previous system (the one this one is upgraded from), and I'm paying the price for it over the past few months |
| [20:44:47] | N0BOX: | so far two of the drives have failed two months apart from each other |
| [20:45:21] | N0BOX: | Now I'm only going to buy the western digital caviar black or RE4 drives |
| [20:45:35] | N0BOX: | they have a 5 year warranty, rather than seagate's 1 year warranty |
| [20:46:46] | N0BOX: | luckily, I wasted (or did I?) a bunch of money building a RAID10 array when I got those barracuda |
| [20:46:49] | N0BOX: | s |
| [20:47:26] | N0BOX: | now my array is half seagate, half wd re4 |
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| [20:56:45] | tgm4883: | Is there somewhere to see the a list of everything the services api has to offer? Specifically I'm thinking GIT, since I'd be looking for trunk. The wiki seems horribly half documented |
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| [21:20:35] | Steve-Goodey: | sphery: I was going to ask you a question about mythvideo, but found the answer in the mythtv-users archive. Sorry to bother you. |
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| [22:43:58] | stuartm: | oh no, no!! ... Disney will be making three more Star Wars films |
| [22:44:41] | pgf_away is now known as pgf | |
| [22:44:51] | sid3windr: | Star Wars VII: Finding Solo |
| [22:44:58] | sid3windr: | or wait |
| [22:45:01] | sid3windr: | that was pixar wasn't it :/ |
| [22:45:18] | sid3windr: | ah, still disney :-) |
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| [22:50:09] | stuartm: | still, it makes things a little easier, I get to combine my boycotts of Disney and Lucasfilm (after those appalling Star Wars 'prequels' and an awful fourth Indiana Jones) into one |
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| [23:34:51] | justinh: | oh that's weird. just put my new lirc (mceusb) receiver on my frontend, dpkg-reconfigure'd it & irw runs & all but there's no ouptut. dug further, there's not even a device node. what gives? probably too early a kernel version |
| [23:35:04] | justinh: | frontend is 10.10 I think. booo |
| [23:37:49] | justinh: | think it's going to be time for a big update soon |
| [23:41:42] | justinh: | regarding Star Wars.. there was really only one for me, and I was 5 years old back then |
| [23:46:50] | PSU: | hey guys, trying to add a few additional channels to myth that comcast recently added...tried going in thru setup-> video sources -> and fetch from schedules direct. after completing this i don't see the new channels. they are listed on schedules direct, any thoughts? |
| [23:47:03] | PSU: | i also ran mythfilldatabase |
| [23:58:49] | PSU: | the new channels (~10) are all higher than 1000 but do not show up in mythtv |
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