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| [00:03:54] | wizbit: | LOL |
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| [00:17:11] | justinh: | HALLO GUV'NOR |
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| [00:19:37] | wagnerrp: | it wasn't even a prank, they actually talked like that |
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| [00:45:25] | wagnerrp: | ewindisch: ive been running a freebsd master backend, with an HDHomeRun, for several years.... works just fine |
| [00:45:32] | ewindisch: | wagnerrp: awesome. |
| [00:45:53] | wagnerrp: | also have a buildbot running on the continuous integration system... http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/master-freebsd-64bit |
| [00:46:40] | wagnerrp: | can't help you with xbmc though, that's a 3rd party project |
| [00:46:45] | ewindisch: | yep, I realize. |
| [00:47:13] | wagnerrp: | if you need, i can give you a pkg_info dump |
| [00:47:28] | ewindisch: | wagnerrp: nice. Yeah, the mythtv docs nor the freebsd/myth docs seem to really give much insight into how well the hdhomerun works there. They're just clear that v4l stuff (which is most of it) doesn't. |
| [00:47:39] | ewindisch: | so I'm really happy to hear it works. |
| [00:48:34] | ewindisch: | should I use the official mythtv port or pull the upstream tarball? |
| [00:48:48] | ewindisch: | (or git repo) |
| [00:48:59] | wagnerrp: | there is no official mythtv port |
| [00:49:13] | ewindisch: | there is a port in freebsd-ports |
| [00:49:25] | wagnerrp: | there is a port, i think maintained by a 'decke', never used it |
| [00:49:42] | ewindisch: | good to know :) |
| [00:49:55] | wagnerrp: | as for the tarball, don't use that either |
| [00:50:10] | wagnerrp: | if you're going to be building from source, you may as well use up-to-date source from the git repository |
| [00:50:21] | wagnerrp: | the tarballs are only there for packagers who require them |
| [00:50:43] | ewindisch: | no stable release cycle? |
| [00:51:08] | wagnerrp: | 0.26 is the stable version |
| [00:51:14] | wagnerrp: | 0.26.0 is the latest stable release |
| [00:51:29] | ewindisch: | but you suggest just running trunk. :) |
| [00:51:39] | wagnerrp: | no, i suggest you run off the repository |
| [00:51:51] | wagnerrp: | specifically, the fixes branch of the 0.26 version |
| [00:52:07] | ewindisch: | gotcha. |
| [00:52:50] | wagnerrp: | 0.26.0, and future 0.26.1+, are just snapshots at some point in that fixes/0.26 branch |
| [00:52:55] | ewindisch: | what about libhdhomerun? Download it from siliciondust and build? |
| [00:53:09] | wagnerrp: | there is a modified version built into the source |
| [00:53:27] | wagnerrp: | the device is supported with no external dependencies, beyond network access |
| [00:53:31] | ewindisch: | that makes things easy |
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| [00:53:50] | wagnerrp: | are you planning on using this in a jail? |
| [00:55:14] | ewindisch: | hadn't thought about it, to be honest. Probably should |
| [00:55:51] | wagnerrp: | up to you. it you're going to be running a number of things on this box, it makes dependency issues easier to deal with |
| [00:55:57] | ewindisch: | although I'm not that concerned about security here, to be honest |
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| [00:56:25] | wagnerrp: | i don't do it for security reasons, but rather ease of management |
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| [00:56:49] | ewindisch: | yeah, seems reasonable. |
| [00:57:06] | wagnerrp: | anyway, if you do, there are some special considerations that need to be made for network access |
| [00:57:08] | ewindisch: | the backend is currently my ZFS nas. I figure it is a good place to throw a backend. |
| [00:57:23] | ewindisch: | oh? |
| [00:57:49] | wagnerrp: | specifically, with a jail, you only have a aliased IP with no subnet access |
| [00:58:03] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can work just fine in this fashion |
| [00:58:34] | wagnerrp: | however if you want things like UPnP or autodetection of HDHomeRun devices to work, you must build a custom kernel with the VIMAGE driver |
| [00:58:40] | ewindisch: | you mean I need to route through the host? |
| [00:58:44] | wagnerrp: | and give the jail a virtual network stack |
| [00:59:39] | wagnerrp: | well the issue is that when you use network aliases on a single subnet, only one can actually be given the subnet, or else you get screwy routing issues |
| [01:00:01] | wagnerrp: | broadcast and multicast doesnt work if you dont have a properly defined subnet |
| [01:01:05] | ewindisch: | okay. I'm pretty decent with networking so I'm sure I can figure it out when I get to it. |
| [01:01:59] | ewindisch: | well, I'm certainly feeling more confident now — I wasn't sure if the freebsd or raspberrypi part would be harder. I'm happy to know the freebsd side seems reasonable. |
| [01:02:14] | wagnerrp: | the RPI part will absolutely be the hard part |
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| [01:02:48] | ewindisch: | that said, people have basic live streaming working. I don't know about the DVR stuff. |
| [01:03:02] | wagnerrp: | not a whole lot you can do with a mid-90s computer and <200MB of memory |
| [01:03:26] | ewindisch: | Yeah. It is low-power, though, which I like. Plus, I have a couple sitting around unused. |
| [01:03:53] | ewindisch: | (I also have a plenty of more capable boxes sitting around too, but the low power and low noise are attractive) |
| [01:04:23] | wagnerrp: | low noise, sure... low power, duty cycle is more important than absolute power consumption |
| [01:05:17] | wagnerrp: | when your system is only on a couple hours a day, a ~50W PC isn't that bad |
| [01:06:02] | ewindisch: | My backend uses 50W and it has a host disk, a raidz array, and an ssd — besides the dual-core cpu and 8gb of ram. |
| [01:06:06] | ewindisch: | (at load) |
| [01:08:28] | ewindisch: | wagnerpp: well, /will/ it only run a couple hours a day? Am I really going to power the thing up every time I use it? My wife is on maternity leave – at least in the short term, it will be used quite a lot. |
| [01:08:53] | ewindisch: | My electric bill has increased over 20% this year. :-/ |
| [01:09:12] | ewindisch: | (rather, my per kW/h charges for generation and transmission) |
| [01:09:15] | wagnerrp: | you can have it go into standby |
| [01:09:32] | wagnerrp: | power up from that state should only take a few seconds |
| [01:09:33] | ewindisch: | Yeah, I just don't trust power saving options. Maybe I'm jaded by many years of it never working. |
| [01:10:41] | ewindisch: | and well, I have the RaspberryPi. :) |
| [01:11:23] | wagnerrp: | for XBMC, ive heard mixed results, but it's still a work in progress |
| [01:11:24] | ewindisch: | my other option? a 16-core Opteron server… 300W at idle and loud as hell. |
| [01:11:33] | wagnerrp: | for mythtv, it's not even an option at current |
| [01:11:53] | ewindisch: | wagnerpp: yeah, I know. XBMC can stream from mythtv and do dvr functions |
| [01:11:55] | ewindisch: | it /might/ work. |
| [01:11:56] | wagnerrp: | the CPU has no chance of doing any video decoding, and there is no support for the hardware decompressor |
| [01:12:15] | ewindisch: | there is, actually. |
| [01:12:29] | ewindisch: | they have an MPEG2 license available now and it seems to work in XBMC |
| [01:12:36] | ewindisch: | (afaik on the latter) |
| [01:12:47] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has no support for the hardware decompressor on the RPi |
| [01:13:11] | ewindisch: | true – but I was optimistically hoping that the XBMC frontend to MythTV would solve that |
| [01:13:28] | ewindisch: | I'm also not opposed to adding OpenMax... |
| [01:13:47] | wagnerrp: | for that, you would want the other channel |
| [01:13:52] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [01:13:53] | ewindisch: | ;-) |
| [01:14:01] | ** ewindisch was a developer on LiViD; not a noob on doing video ** | |
| [01:14:31] | wagnerrp: | there are a lot of people who are, and get on the mailing list claiming "all you have to do is add..." |
| [01:14:53] | wagnerrp: | with no experience in what that actually entails |
| [01:15:20] | ewindisch: | yep… and even with openmax, well.. . it is /limited/ hardware. |
| [01:15:21] | wagnerrp: | beyond openmax support, there is also a memory consumption issue |
| [01:15:37] | ewindisch: | that said, I used to run MythTV on my Pentium II ;-) |
| [01:15:53] | wagnerrp: | no one has ever been very tight about memory usage on the frontend, since memory has never been much of a problem |
| [01:16:11] | wagnerrp: | there's a lot of places that could be cleaned up, but someone would still need to do it |
| [01:16:47] | ewindisch: | yep |
| [01:16:55] | ewindisch: | and again, I don't necessarily desire the mythtv frontend. |
| [01:16:58] | wagnerrp: | the new 512MB version would alleviate that somewhat |
| [01:17:02] | ewindisch: | as much as I desire /A/ frontend. |
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| [01:26:50] | ewindisch: | awesome – thanks for the help. For now, I'll order that HDHomeRun, since at least that piece seems solvable. |
| [01:27:22] | ewindisch: | then I'll evaluate the frontend options. :) |
| [01:28:35] | wagnerrp: | are you intending to use this with verizon fios? |
| [01:28:40] | wagnerrp: | or just an antenna? |
| [01:28:43] | ewindisch: | antenna |
| [01:28:54] | wagnerrp: | ok, standard HDHR will work fine |
| [01:29:06] | ewindisch: | I'm ditching verizon's "cable" side and the TiVo, going back to MythTV and antenna |
| [01:29:53] | ewindisch: | in fact, I was originally going to do Hulu and have antenna for backup, but when I decided to rebuild my NAS and landed a spare RPI, I figured it would only be $90 for a brand-new HDHR |
| [01:30:30] | ewindisch: | assuming I can get this menagerie of parts to work |
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| [02:19:52] | somethinginteres: | getting choppyness on a station I didn't have problems with before. Semmed like it might have started as soon as a recording began but I stopped that and it remains. Any pointers on how to identify what's up? |
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| [03:18:14] | monkeypet: | i think all my fans in my atx tower died or making strange noises. |
| [03:18:23] | monkeypet: | Maybe the case wants blood. |
| [03:18:42] | monkeypet: | Everytime I touch it, I lose a finger. |
| [03:23:38] | tallnerd1985: | Haha |
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| [04:51:26] | monkeypet: | Boot 10, win8 still doesn't want to install, it wants be to make a sacrifice. |
| [04:51:33] | ewindisch: | monkeypet: I find that feeding your fans oil will make them happy and save money. |
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| [04:52:21] | monkeypet: | ewindisch: where do I put the oil in? |
| [04:52:38] | monkeypet: | one of my system case fan, stopped spinning already. |
| [04:52:46] | ewindisch: | the access hole. |
| [04:52:54] | ewindisch: | usually hidden underneath a sticker |
| [04:52:56] | monkeypet: | it must be under the sticker? |
| [04:53:16] | monkeypet: | the blue color of win8 is dumb. |
| [04:53:26] | monkeypet: | ugly logo. |
| [04:53:29] | ewindisch: | even wd-40 works well enough |
| [04:55:36] | ewindisch: | (it isn't a good option, it won't last very long or work very good, but it will get a fan moving again) |
| [04:56:00] | monkeypet: | let me try that. |
| [04:56:57] | ewindisch: | real oil is better, even mineral oils / baby oils are probably better than wd40 :) |
| [04:58:35] | [R]: | ewindisch: is that what the kids are calling it these days |
| [04:58:37] | [R]: | "access hole"? |
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| [05:00:36] | ewindisch: | "an opening covered with a cap (and sticker), with access to the ball bearings of your rotary air displacement device" |
| [05:00:39] | ewindisch: | better? |
| [05:02:42] | [R]: | ROFL |
| [05:02:55] | [R]: | cap and sticker |
| [05:02:58] | ** [R] ponders ** | |
| [05:09:45] | ewindisch: | somehow that sounds more like an innuendo :-/ |
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| [05:35:36] | somethinginteres: | The bars on LiveTV where black bars should be are made up of the MythTV background texture. How do I fix this? I'm on v0.26. |
| [05:45:10] | monkeypet: | applications sounds too old fashion, today the rage is 'apps'. |
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| [06:53:17] | wagnerrp: | why... |
| [06:53:32] | wagnerrp: | why did The Good Guys have to go off the air after only one season |
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| [07:06:10] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: they determined the boxes were full of crime |
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| [07:22:01] | monkeypet: | wagnerrp: i am still waiting for babylon 5 to come back! |
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| [13:17:51] | Spida: | is there anything known about recent issues of xmltv (tv_grab_eu_epgdata)? It seems something changed at the beginning of october, I only get 3 lines of output (only the header) from xmltv |
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| [13:35:33] | williammanda: | anyone having problems opening mythtv-setup? getting a blank terminal screen |
| [13:36:48] | williammanda: | ver |
| [13:36:55] | williammanda: | ver .25 |
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| [17:37:41] | wizbit: | i have a nvidia 9500gt in my frontend, normal playback works ok, when i switch to vdpau the screen goes blank |
| [17:38:16] | ** wizbit first trys Option "TripleBuffer" "True" ** | |
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| [17:49:21] | wizbit: | oh dear http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=czTAx7X0 |
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| [17:50:04] | wizbit: | VDPAU: Error at mythrender_vdpau.cpp |
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| [18:19:25] | justTom: | Hi all, having trouble with one of my tuners and trying to figure out how to trouble shoot |
| [18:19:50] | dw805: | hello! I have been running mythtv 0.24 (self-compiled) on Fedora 17, and decided to upgrade to 0.26. I have compiled and installed everything, but seem to have a QT Mysql problem. When I run mythtv-setup, I get an error: QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL Driver not loaded. |
| [18:20:16] | justTom: | I have a PVR-150 that has worked for many years, it records just fine, but if I try to use it to watch live TV it just goes black |
| [18:20:46] | justTom: | the FE becomes totally unresponive and I have to restart the FE |
| [18:21:07] | justTom: | I'm running 0.26 on Mythbuntu 12.04 LTS |
| [18:21:24] | [R]: | dw805: yup, looks like your qt doesnt have the mysql driver |
| [18:21:48] | justTom: | I verified that the tuner works, I can change channels etc from the command line |
| [18:22:21] | justTom: | I can dump mpeg video direct to a file (cat /dev/video-pvr-150 >test.mpg) and it works fine |
| [18:22:41] | justTom: | it even will record video to the HD fine in myth, just can't use it to watch live TV |
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| [18:23:25] | justTom: | I have two other tuners (non PVR) that work fine |
| [18:23:36] | justTom: | in live TV. |
| [18:23:49] | justTom: | Does anyone have an idea where to start troubleshooting this? |
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| [18:24:36] | [R]: | the logs... |
| [18:25:13] | justTom: | [R] – yup, I've looked in the FE log and really don't see anything |
| [18:25:22] | [R]: | then look in the backend |
| [18:25:28] | [R]: | then turn up the verbosity |
| [18:26:26] | justTom: | OK, got to go remind myself how to turn up the vebosity – forgot about that |
| [18:30:30] | dw805: | [R]: How could it have worked with 0.24? |
| [18:31:20] | dw805: | oh and rpm -qa shows qt-mysql installed: qt-mysql-4.8.2–7.fc17.x86_64 |
| [18:32:17] | [R]: | pastebin the full logs |
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| [18:35:24] | dw805: | http://pastebin.com/tZpBRxNq |
| [18:36:12] | [R]: | that makes no sense |
| [18:36:14] | [R]: | whats the $ |
| [18:36:43] | dw805: | It is the command prompt. I entered mythtv-setup &, so the prompt came back right away |
| [18:36:49] | [R]: | dont do that |
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| [18:37:54] | dw805: | QSqlDatabase doesn't show any drivers. I don't understand that. 0.24 has been working on that system for months! |
| [18:39:27] | dw805: | I guess I could go recompile 0.24 and re-install it, and verify that I can get back to my starting point... |
| [18:40:26] | dw805: | except that I git pulled it, so what I will recompile won't be what I was running. And when this didn't work the first time, I did a yum update, and got a lot of updated packages... |
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| [18:41:08] | [R]: | dare i ask why you are compiling in the first place |
| [18:42:14] | dw805: | because I don't use atrpms due to incompatibilities I have had with it in the past, I have found that rpmfusion doesn't update very often, and I have been a software developer for 40 years and just like to play :) |
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| [19:09:09] | williammanda: | anyone else having a problem loading mythtv-setup? |
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| [19:10:41] | williammanda: | each time I start it....when the terminal opens...it is just blank |
| [19:11:30] | williammanda: | I have reinstalled ubuntu 12.10 and mythtv ver .25 3 times with the same result |
| [19:12:26] | wagnerrp: | have you tried running it directly, from an existing terminal, rather than whatever button you're clicking? |
| [19:13:20] | williammanda: | yes I have executed mythtv-setup from terminal as well as mythbuntu control center |
| [19:13:32] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv-setup.real? |
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| [19:14:07] | williammanda: | type mythtv-setup.real in terminal? |
| [19:14:13] | wagnerrp: | on mythbuntu, 'mythtv-setup' is just a wrapper script, while the actual executable is relocated to mythtv-setup.real |
| [19:14:28] | wagnerrp: | could be something is getting caught up in the wrapper |
| [19:14:49] | williammanda: | holy crap that worked! |
| [19:14:55] | williammanda: | ty |
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| [19:25:48] | mattgen88: | Hello, Anyone use mythtv with archlinux? I'm having an issue when I start it up as a service (rc.d and now systemd) that I can't watch tv. I am unable to get a lock. But if I run mythbackend as a user it works fine. |
| [19:26:56] | dw805: | [R]: I have confirmed that if I move back to 0.24, mysql drivers are found and mythtv-setup loads correctly with access to the existing database. |
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| [19:34:12] | dw805: | I completely uninstalled all myth files from /usr/local/{bin,lib,lib64,include), ran configure --enable-proc-opt again, did a make clean, and I'm doing a full make again on 0.26. |
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| [19:56:29] | dw805: | 0.26 still fails to load QMYSQL driver. I'll try to debug it further later. |
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| [19:58:23] | bill6502: | dw805: What does: grep '<Host>' ~/.mythtv/config.xml return? |
| [20:01:35] | dw805: | <DBHostName>localhost</DBHostName> |
| [20:01:58] | dw805: | that's the only line with host in it |
| [20:02:33] | bill6502: | dw805: The format config.xml changed in 0.26, see: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/browser/mythtv/my . . . ?rev=16b232a |
| [20:03:16] | mattgen88: | What would cause livetv playback to have graphical glitches but recorded tv to look fine? |
| [20:03:36] | dw805: | And that would certainly explain it! I will try that! Thanks! |
| [20:04:11] | bill6502: | dw805: I would have expected it to get changed automatically. Could it be that it's not writable? |
| [20:04:31] | mattgen88: | mostly things like station logos cause it to happen a lot. Or overlay animation for adverts while a show is playing. But it still happens when normal tv happens but less often. Recordings are perfectly fine, it only occurs in live tv playback. |
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| [20:09:48] | mattgen88: | live tv is pretty unusable for me until I figure this out. |
| [20:11:26] | [R]: | just dont use livetv |
| [20:11:28] | [R]: | everybody wins! |
| [20:12:28] | mattgen88: | I don't win. |
| [20:12:44] | [R]: | stop being a slave to the tv channels |
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| [20:13:38] | mattgen88: | What if my coaxial input is actually just CCTV from my properties security cameras and I don't feel like setting it to record when I just want to do a live view? |
| [20:13:47] | mattgen88: | property's* |
| [20:15:01] | mattgen88: | Regardless, live tv should work. It doesn't work nicely and I'd like to know why. If there is a bug in the application, ok point me to the bug report. if not, and it is 'just me' I'd like to know what i might be doing wrong. "don't use it" isn't exactly a good answer. |
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| [20:17:56] | [R]: | sounds like you rpobably shoudn't be using mythtv |
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| [20:25:16] | mattgen88: | [R], that was hypothetical. I want to watch live tv on mythtv which has a live tv option, however it is broke |
| [20:25:41] | mattgen88: | What can I do to troubleshoot it? or is it a known bug. |
| [20:26:09] | [R]: | livetv sucks... its well known |
| [20:26:13] | [R]: | not really a bug |
| [20:26:42] | mattgen88: | So is what I'm experiencing (graphical glitches, green lines, picture shifting) consistent with "livetv sucks" |
| [20:27:12] | mattgen88: | I've used livetv on ubuntu in the past and didn't have this issue. I'm not archlinux now and I experience this. |
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| [20:27:28] | [R]: | shocking |
| [20:27:35] | [R]: | arch sucks hard |
| [20:27:46] | [R]: | this surprises you? |
| [20:27:59] | mattgen88: | also a problem with latest ubuntu installations |
| [20:28:11] | mattgen88: | I think it worked back in 8.10 or so |
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| [20:33:37] | mattgen88: | Well, I guess it is time for me to try out xbmc. |
| [20:35:46] | stuartm: | you want something like zoneminder for security cameras |
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| [20:37:10] | mattgen88: | stuartm, I'm actually using it for input from a dish network box. |
| [20:37:36] | mattgen88: | I just don't appreciate the non-helpfulness. |
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| [20:40:47] | stuartm: | mattgen88: if it's a bug, it's one that hasn't been filed by anyone else |
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| [20:43:46] | stuartm: | it sounds like a bug if it's only affecting LiveTV, but there are equally a lot of variables on the system side of things which MythTV cannot control and which could in theory also cause a problem – e.g. mis-behaving disk controllers or filesystems causing corruption to files under higher loads |
| [20:46:03] | wizbit: | how many bugs in total has mythtv had since its release? |
| [20:46:08] | stuartm: | 'livetv' is in reality just a recording played back in near real time, if it's a problem with recording then the file will still show the problem even if you watch it later, if it's a problem with playback then it will play back correctly when the system load is lower – that should narrow down the problem |
| [20:46:19] | stuartm: | wizbit: the latest release, or the very first release? |
| [20:46:26] | wizbit: | since the very first |
| [20:49:48] | mattgen88: | system load is nominal |
| [20:50:03] | mattgen88: | 12GB ram, i7 8950 cpu, low disk IO |
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| [20:51:44] | mattgen88: | i've changed playback profile between vdpau high quality (what I normally use) and the others, plus I've modified which deinterlace i'm using to no avail. |
| [20:52:56] | mattgen88: | decoder nvidia vdpau acceleration, vdpau renderer, advanced 2x hw primary, advanced 1x hw fallback. |
| [20:53:11] | mattgen88: | using hauppauge pvr500 tuner |
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| [21:14:50] | tallnerd1985: | Sup everyone? |
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| [21:26:04] | ** wizbit is building a fresh slackware 14 joggler frontend image ** | |
| [21:26:26] | wizbit: | this time my stick is big |
| [21:28:36] | tallnerd1985: | wizbit: You should compile a backend for Slackware :) |
| [21:29:24] | wizbit: | my backend is already slackware |
| [21:29:35] | wizbit: | infact this box im on now |
| [21:29:42] | wizbit: | Linux hq 3.2.29 #1 SMP Mon Sep 17 13:38:05 CDT 2012 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU 530 @ 2.93GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
| [21:29:42] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1 ** | |
| [21:29:56] | tallnerd1985: | Are you familiar with a UNraid built on Slackware? |
| [21:30:04] | wizbit: | nope |
| [21:30:12] | wizbit: | i dont even know what unraid is |
| [21:30:14] | tallnerd1985: | Oh shucks |
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| [21:31:11] | tallnerd1985: | Its a NAS distro |
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| [22:17:15] | MylesMan: | hi can someone tell me the current myth version |
| [22:17:24] | MylesMan: | please |
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| [22:24:41] | [R]: | MylesMan: you're incapable of reading the website? |
| [22:25:01] | MylesMan: | no just missed it on first read |
| [22:25:24] | MylesMan: | then saw it right after i posted |
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| [22:26:59] | MylesMan: | i'm upgrading to .26 om ubuntu and a bunch of the mythtv packages were held back and i'm not sure why only some upgraded |
| [22:27:10] | MylesMan: | on ubuntu* |
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| [22:31:53] | MylesMan: | I resolved it via synaptic |
| [22:33:26] | SparksIT: | So I am trying to transcode my recordings, I was able to get a 1 hour 720p video from 6.4 GB down to 2.0 GB with cutting the commercials and encoding to mpeg4. Ideally, I would like to get it down to 1 GB or less, is there any settings that I can change to get it a bit lower? |
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| [22:34:22] | SparksIT: | without sacrificing to much quality? |
| [22:34:35] | [R]: | omg |
| [22:34:40] | [R]: | that would make me cry |
| [22:34:43] | [R]: | 6.4 -> 2.0 |
| [22:35:35] | SparksIT: | Is that a good thing or bad? |
| [22:36:38] | [R]: | bad |
| [22:37:31] | SparksIT: | So anything I can do? |
| [22:37:38] | [R]: | lower the bitrate |
| [22:39:10] | SparksIT: | it is currently at 2200 kb/s, how low can I go with it? |
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| [22:39:24] | SparksIT: | and still look good on a tv? |
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| [22:40:20] | [R]: | that depends on your definitino of good |
| [22:40:29] | [R]: | my 1 hour mpeg4 recordings are 6gb... |
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| [22:43:17] | SparksIT: | Ideal, I wouldn't want to go below DVD quality |
| [22:45:21] | [R]: | well dvds aren't mpeg4 |
| [22:45:23] | [R]: | so that makes no sense' |
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| [22:46:52] | SparksIT: | I know dvds are not in mpeg4, my definition of good...at least the visual qualty of a DVD movie\show |
| [22:47:07] | [R]: | well dvd is crap |
| [22:47:13] | [R]: | so you could probably cut it in half |
| [22:47:15] | [R]: | and it'd still be fine |
| [22:49:06] | SparksIT: | I'm sure it is, but I want to be able to cut it down enough, so when I transfer to a tablet, it doesn't comsume to much space |
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| [22:50:43] | johnjacobjingerh: | hey guys, can someone explain what the difference is (if any) between mythbuntu and just installing mythtv onto ubuntu from the repos |
| [22:50:52] | [R]: | there isnt |
| [22:51:17] | johnjacobjingerh: | oh |
| [22:51:18] | [R]: | justy like theres no differnece betwen ubuntu and kubuintu |
| [22:51:19] | johnjacobjingerh: | ok lol |
| [22:51:28] | johnjacobjingerh: | kubuntu* |
| [22:51:29] | johnjacobjingerh: | yea |
| [22:51:33] | johnjacobjingerh: | except for the GUI |
| [22:51:54] | johnjacobjingerh: | i wasnt sure if there were some GUI differences going to mythbuntu or something |
| [22:52:20] | johnjacobjingerh: | maybe it has settings in place to only load the front end or something |
| [22:52:26] | tallnerd1985: | Sorry to bug you guys, setting up my first MythTV backend. What's the deal on how to setup the database when doing setup? |
| [22:52:44] | [R]: | johnjacobjingerh: you can install the kubuntu packages in ubuntu just like you instal the mythbuntu packages in ubuntu |
| [22:52:46] | [R]: | its all the same cdrap |
| [22:53:11] | [R]: | tallnerd1985: the documetnation explains everything you need |
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| [22:53:18] | johnjacobjingerh: | R yes i know i have the kubuntu packages and the regular ubuntu packages.. |
| [22:54:11] | tallnerd1985: | [R]: I read but it seems like it does it during install but not in my case |
| [22:55:30] | [R]: | tallnerd1985: "during install"... |
| [22:55:47] | johnjacobjingerh: | ooo the cd does have live FrontEnd on it... that is actually very very useful |
| [22:56:23] | johnjacobjingerh: | also installs a bare minimum desktop to just run frontend and no other crap or services |
| [22:56:57] | johnjacobjingerh: | also has it's own control center for making setting changes and role changes |
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| [22:57:42] | johnjacobjingerh: | prob wont use it on my backend, but might use it on my HTPCs |
| [23:01:22] | johnjacobjingerh: | also does anyone have recomendations on whether it's possible to add my own custom subtitles to saved videos on mythtv |
| [23:01:41] | johnjacobjingerh: | like if i download a movie from somewhere and want to add a subtitle track |
| [23:02:03] | ** [R] coughs ** | |
| [23:02:06] | [R]: | we dont discuss illegal things in here |
| [23:02:18] | johnjacobjingerh: | these arent illegal... they are home videos |
| [23:02:22] | [R]: | right... |
| [23:02:34] | johnjacobjingerh: | lol... nvm then |
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| [23:03:29] | johnjacobjingerh: | my main issue to be honest was losing subtitle tracks with the ripped DVDs i have (it's legal to rip one DVD for backup purposes) |
| [23:04:14] | johnjacobjingerh: | they are "archival" as they call them |
| [23:05:20] | [R]: | right... now you're just changing the story |
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| [23:29:35] | tallnerd1985: | [R]: Since your person with the answers, does MythTV backend truly work with the HDHomerun prime or is that a Myth? |
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| [23:31:29] | [R]: | wtf kind of question is that |
| [23:34:33] | tallnerd1985: | Sorry, play on words. I've tried numerous backends and now I am going to try MythTV but I just want to make sure |
| [23:37:03] | dw805: | bil6502: I am finally back from running errands for my wife. I replaced my pre-existing config.xml with the contents from the link. I still don't get QMYSQL driver loading properly, and QSqlDatabase still doesn't list any available drivers. Thinking about it, a bad config.xml might prevent me from connecting to the database, but it shouldn't prevent the driver from loading? |
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| [23:39:08] | paco_: | hi all people, good night |
| [23:39:33] | paco_: | i have a dream…er.. i have a problem.. jejeje |
| [23:40:07] | uglyoldbob: | how do i stop a recording in progress? |
| [23:40:23] | paco_: | i have create a database backup of my mythtv (i think that its for recordings) and now i m restoring my db but the recordings shows empty (and the folder got all my recordings) |
| [23:40:35] | paco_: | uglyoldbob, go to watch recordings, and press M and stop recording |
| [23:41:50] | ewindisch: | tallnerd1985: I've heard it works well from multiple sources. |
| [23:41:56] | [R]: | uglyoldbob: delete it |
| [23:43:38] | wizbit: | i have a idea for mythtv |
| [23:43:39] | uglyoldbob: | well, except i want to keep what was recorded so far |
| [23:43:53] | wizbit: | how about a terminal only version of mythtv-setup |
| [23:44:03] | wizbit: | even tv tuning done on a terminal with ncurses etc |
| [23:44:40] | uglyoldbob: | mythtv-setup segfaults when trying to scan channels on /dev/video0 for my pchdtv5500 card |
| [23:44:42] | paco_: | uglyoldbob, uses my method |
| [23:44:53] | uglyoldbob: | paco_: ok ill try that |
| [23:45:17] | wagnerrp: | tallnerd1985: yes, mythtv can truly work with the hdhomerun prime |
| [23:45:31] | wagnerrp: | in fact, many silicon dust employees use mythtv |
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| [23:46:10] | wagnerrp: | however, the hdhomerun prime must follow the rules with regards to DRM |
| [23:46:42] | paco_: | nice, wagnerrp is here, cool |
| [23:46:44] | wagnerrp: | and due to the fact that mythtv is open source, and thus simply not possible to be licensed by cable labs to protect content received through a cablecard tuner |
| [23:47:09] | wagnerrp: | the hdhomerun prime, or any other cablecard tuner, is not authorized to send DRM'd material to mythtv |
| [23:47:17] | paco_: | wagnerrp, how can i restore my recordings? i have used the procedure of restore db but nothing pass.. |
| [23:47:18] | wagnerrp: | it can be encrypted, but it cannot be marked as copy protected |
| [23:47:31] | wagnerrp: | restore... how? |
| [23:47:43] | johnjacobjingerh: | perhaps someday we will be able to get DRM support on mythtv :-( |
| [23:47:49] | johnjacobjingerh: | for now... I shall weep |
| [23:47:53] | paco_: | with mythbuntu bare |
| [23:48:10] | wagnerrp: | johnjacobjingerh: no, we will never be able to get DRM support on mythtv |
| [23:48:24] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is open source, it is not possible for open source projects to support drm |
| [23:48:29] | johnjacobjingerh: | hey never say never |
| [23:48:33] | wagnerrp: | yes, never |
| [23:48:35] | johnjacobjingerh: | at this time |
| [23:48:36] | wagnerrp: | can not happen |
| [23:48:40] | wagnerrp: | period |
| [23:48:46] | johnjacobjingerh: | who knows what 10,000 years shall bring |
| [23:49:01] | johnjacobjingerh: | maybe open source will one day rule the world |
| [23:49:13] | wagnerrp: | doesn't matter, the principles of the two concepts are such that they can never mix |
| [23:49:28] | johnjacobjingerh: | i see |
| [23:49:30] | tallnerd1985: | wagnerrp: Thanks for answers, I will try it tonight. Too bad MythTV doesn't work UNraid Servers :( |
| [23:49:37] | wagnerrp: | DRM is the ability to protect the content from the user |
| [23:49:46] | johnjacobjingerh: | from piracy |
| [23:49:54] | wagnerrp: | no, from anything |
| [23:49:56] | bill6502: | dw805: Makes sense. I was looking at line 19 of: http://pastebin.com/tZpBRxNq, I don't get that error. Is chsserver the host with your database. |
| [23:50:15] | wagnerrp: | tallnerd1985: eh? why wouldn't you be able to use mythtv with unraid storage? |
| [23:50:34] | wagnerrp: | johnjacobjingerh: don't delude yourself that DRM is intended to prevent piracy, it is not |
| [23:50:52] | tallnerd1985: | No packages available and I am a hill billy |
| [23:50:53] | wagnerrp: | the primary purpose of DRM is to control how users can use the content |
| [23:51:06] | johnjacobjingerh: | so much for that control |
| [23:51:09] | johnjacobjingerh: | lol |
| [23:51:22] | wagnerrp: | conversely, the principle of open source is to allow the user to make whatever modifications they want, and do whatever they want with the content |
| [23:51:33] | johnjacobjingerh: | the people they are most concerned about are the ones that can break through DRM |
| [23:51:45] | wagnerrp: | if the user can make modifications to the program, they can make modifications that remove the DRM protection from the program |
| [23:52:04] | johnjacobjingerh: | well on that note can I also hide the mythbuntu logo on the themes? |
| [23:52:16] | wagnerrp: | thus, an open source version of an application can never legitimately support any form of DRM |
| [23:52:23] | johnjacobjingerh: | i see |
| [23:52:36] | johnjacobjingerh: | which is why netflix doesnt work on linux i assume |
| [23:52:37] | wagnerrp: | with things like DVDs and decss, open source applications can access and use DRM'd content |
| [23:52:42] | wagnerrp: | buut that is not a legitimate use |
| [23:52:54] | wagnerrp: | netflix instant for PC use relies on silverlight |
| [23:53:04] | wagnerrp: | and silverlight only exists on Windows and OSX |
| [23:53:04] | johnjacobjingerh: | which doesnt port to linux cuz of it's DRM |
| [23:53:22] | johnjacobjingerh: | i am going to assume anyways |
| [23:53:23] | wagnerrp: | Linux has MoonLight, but moonlight lacks the drm implementation in silverlight |
| [23:53:28] | johnjacobjingerh: | yep |
| [23:53:43] | uglyoldbob: | so why does android get it then? |
| [23:53:48] | wagnerrp: | things like android are binary distributions, so while they are technically open source, if you make changes to that binary, netflix no longer functions |
| [23:53:49] | johnjacobjingerh: | which is ironic since android is essentially linux yet it can run netflix |
| [23:53:59] | johnjacobjingerh: | yea what uglyoldbob said |
| [23:54:06] | [R]: | johnjacobjingerh: 2 completely diffenret things |
| [23:54:07] | wagnerrp: | as user modifications to the binary mean the content can no longer be assured of protection |
| [23:54:18] | [R]: | johnjacobjingerh: android has drm frameworks |
| [23:54:35] | [R]: | johnjacobjingerh: and closed source parts |
| [23:54:36] | wagnerrp: | tallnerd1985: mythtv just uses storage through the filesystem |
| [23:54:36] | tallnerd1985: | Android is far from linux besides the kernel |
| [23:54:40] | johnjacobjingerh: | i see |
| [23:54:54] | wagnerrp: | if you want your filesystem to be backed by unraid, that's your own concern to take care of underneath mythtv |
| [23:55:05] | wagnerrp: | the two are independent and do not conflict |
| [23:55:33] | wagnerrp: | however note that just like any other parity-based redundancy, unraid is not well suited for anything that writes much data |
| [23:55:39] | wagnerrp: | it is primarily intended for archival storage |
| [23:55:47] | johnjacobjingerh: | tallnerd1985, just dont do what i did and partition your drive and store your content on another partition and change the storage directories (if you expect to use mythweb at all on the backend), i did that and now i'm going back |
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| [23:56:20] | wagnerrp: | johnjacobjingerh: how would that cause any trouble? |
| [23:56:20] | johnjacobjingerh: | yea i wouldnt use RAID either IMO |
| [23:56:37] | johnjacobjingerh: | well mythweb couldnt access my media after that |
| [23:56:46] | johnjacobjingerh: | i changed the symlinks too |
| [23:56:59] | wagnerrp: | probably because the user apache ran as did not have file permissions to those directories |
| [23:57:01] | johnjacobjingerh: | and it still got permission denied trying to stream content |
| [23:57:05] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv does not use symlinks for anything |
| [23:57:14] | johnjacobjingerh: | it ran as root and i did set file permissions |
| [23:57:16] | johnjacobjingerh: | mythweb |
| [23:57:19] | johnjacobjingerh: | MYTHWEB |
| [23:57:24] | wagnerrp: | apache |
| [23:57:46] | tallnerd1985: | wagnerrp: Have you heard of anyone install Mythweb on UNraid directly? |
| [23:58:28] | johnjacobjingerh: | i dont know what UNraid is but I know what RAID is and it's practically invisible to the OS and all software |
| [23:58:28] | wagnerrp: | mythweb is nothing more than a PHP web application run through apache |
| [23:58:31] | uglyoldbob: | so my version of mythbackend is 2:0.25.2+fixes.20120802.46cab93–0ubuntu1, what is the best way of submitting some sort of crash report? (I have multiple frontends and upgrading them all by compiling from source seems unreasonable) |
| [23:58:44] | wagnerrp: | unraid is basically RAID5 but without striping |
| [23:58:53] | johnjacobjingerh: | well then i dunno why it didnt work wagnerp but i couldnt get it to work |
| [23:58:53] | wagnerrp: | you have a bunch of independent disks, and one more disk with parity |
| [23:58:58] | johnjacobjingerh: | ah |
| [23:59:00] | johnjacobjingerh: | yea |
| [23:59:05] | johnjacobjingerh: | i see |
| [23:59:15] | wagnerrp: | for reads, everything operates independently |
| [23:59:19] | johnjacobjingerh: | my machine doesnt support RAID anyways |
| [23:59:25] | johnjacobjingerh: | lol |
| [23:59:37] | wagnerrp: | for writes, you have to read all the disks, and then calculate the parity to write to the parity disk |
| [23:59:37] | johnjacobjingerh: | well actually it does but i'd never use it for mythtv |
| [23:59:52] | uglyoldbob: | isnt that raid4? |
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