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Monday, October 22nd, 2012, 00:01 UTC

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jgautier:

does the EPG have its own context in the key editing or is grouped in with the TV Playback?

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jgautier:

i want to use backspace to exit the EPG and go back to watching live tv but cant find where i can set that anywhere in the edit keys section.

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johnjacobjingerh:

ok long time supporter here but never set up a mythtv system before and thinking about doing it for my house... couple questions tho

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sphery:

saintdev: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py

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johnjacobjingerh:

1) I currently have 9 cable boxes (all DVR) and I want to get rid of them and perhaps get a mythtv front end box for every device and a central server (my desktop pc)

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johnjacobjingerh:

my question is can I get a number of TV tuner cards and stream live tv to all my front ends?

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saintdev:

sphery: the entries are still in the database, so they're not orphans.

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johnjacobjingerh:

and have each one access a different channel that is

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sphery:

saintdev: they're orphaned if there are no files

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sphery:

saintdev: orphaned metadata

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saintdev:

sphery: the files are still there too

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sphery:

it goes both ways

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johnjacobjingerh:

my goal is to essentially get rid of the cable boxes and lower my bill since i pay $10 per mont for each box

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saintdev:

sphery: they're just not accessable from the frontend

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johnjacobjingerh:

i dont know if i can stream live tv multiple channels at the same time to multiple devices

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sphery:

saintdev: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F

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sphery:

johnjacobjingerh: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable

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johnjacobjingerh:

sphery i did read that, but i cant seem to figure out if i can stream liveTV

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johnjacobjingerh:

not recording it

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sphery:

mythtv records everything

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sphery:

whether you watch while recording is irrelevant

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johnjacobjingerh:

but can it stream livetv

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johnjacobjingerh:

is my question

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johnjacobjingerh:

like slingbox does

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johnjacobjingerh:

but over my lan

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sphery:

and a mythtv frontend can watch any recording from a mythtv backend

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saintdev:

sphery: done that already, they're not anywhere in the frontend.

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sphery:

johnjacobjingerh: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview

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johnjacobjingerh:

yes but i dont want to watch a file i previously recorded

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sphery:

johnjacobjingerh: 10.21 20:28:09 <+sphery> mythtv records everything

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sphery:

i.e. "Live TV" is a recording

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sphery:

(a recording in progress)

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johnjacobjingerh:

so i can watch the channel on remote devices?

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sphery:

if you can record it, yes

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sphery:

where "remote devices" = mythtv frontend systems

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johnjacobjingerh:

ok... that brings another question... if i do this and i have 9 people streaming from the device what would i need spec wise

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sphery:

and where "remote devices" = random stuff that supports some level of UPnP or <other "media sharing magic">, then perhaps

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johnjacobjingerh:

i already have a gigabit lan and all my wifi devices are N speeds

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johnjacobjingerh:

every TV has an ethernet jack Cat6e

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sphery:

saintdev: can you get me a screenshot of your backend status page

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johnjacobjingerh:

also how do I deal with premium channels? such as HBO and Starz?

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sphery:

johnjacobjingerh: you'd be trading 9 cable boxes for 9 mythtv frontend systems (=PCs)

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johnjacobjingerh:

i assume the tv tuner cards dont pick those up

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sphery:

the frontend does the most work

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johnjacobjingerh:

sphery yes

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jgautier:

i changed my .Xmodmap so "keycode 22 = Escape" and its working when I am in live TV and i press my backspace key it goes back to the main menu..but in the EPG it does nothing

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johnjacobjingerh:

ok good to know

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johnjacobjingerh:

so as long as my LAN can handle it should be fine

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saintdev:

johnjacobjingerh: premium channels (with a cablecard compatable device) depend on the cable company

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johnjacobjingerh:

ah.. i hope comcast does that lol

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sphery:

johnjacobjingerh: no idea on how much you can get across a network... HDTV can be up to about 19Mbps (generally will be about 14 for a good channel)

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saintdev:

most cable companies have them set to recorde once, which you cannot tune with myth

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jgautier:

johnjacojingerh i was not able to watch showtime with comcast

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johnjacobjingerh:

i'm prob gonna need two quad tuners or something

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johnjacobjingerh:

sphery i can push up to a gigabit on each port right now

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saintdev:

for comcast they are for sure copy once

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johnjacobjingerh:

but i am wired for support up to 10gb

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johnjacobjingerh:

i have a killer infrastructure :-P

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saintdev:

sphery: frontend status or mythweb status?

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johnjacobjingerh:

thanks to free equipment from cisco

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sphery:

saintdev: backend status (which is "Backend Status" in MythWeb)

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sphery:

or available directly from the backend

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sphery:

mythweb should be easiest by far

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sphery:

johnjacobjingerh: also, one other point to note... MythTV is not a "free" DVR--it's generally expensive in terms of equipment, time (especially) for setup and maintenance, and even power usage... It's really a luxury DVR that's Free (as in freedom) (but also limited by its dependence on external sources of videos, which often contain DRM that prevents its use in MythTV)

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johnjacobjingerh:

i see

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johnjacobjingerh:

so like netflix

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johnjacobjingerh:

that wouldnt work

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johnjacobjingerh:

and hulu i imagine

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johnjacobjingerh:

which is fine

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sphery:

I've spent a ton more on my system than I would have over the 8 1/2 years I've been using MythTV than I would have spent on DVRs from cable/satellite providers

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johnjacobjingerh:

i have currently a dual quad core R610 dell PowerEdge

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sphery:

and, right, Netflix won't work (you'll need an external system, like a Roku or PS3 or Wii or XBox 360 + XBox Live)

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johnjacobjingerh:

with 192GB of RAM

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johnjacobjingerh:

it's actually the tower model

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johnjacobjingerh:

not the blade

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johnjacobjingerh:

and i have a 16TB RAID 10 SAS enclosure

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johnjacobjingerh:

it has 4 10GB network cards

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johnjacobjingerh:

gbps i mean

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johnjacobjingerh:

not GB

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johnjacobjingerh:

that's my backend

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johnjacobjingerh:

i planned on getting some fitpcs for my frontend

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johnjacobjingerh:

i dont get netflix on those as is anyways...

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johnjacobjingerh:

i'm more concerned about not renting cable boxes

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johnjacobjingerh:

at all

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johnjacobjingerh:

my comcast bill is now 400 per month

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johnjacobjingerh:

i may even dump my hbo premiums and just get the shows and movies elsewhere

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johnjacobjingerh:

I love liquidations lol

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saintdev:

sphery: http://i.imgur.com/zem5U.png

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sphery:

saintdev: how many shows are in your Deleted recording group

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johnjacobjingerh:

this company went under that just opened up and spent lots of money on their data center... i got two boxes of CAT6e cable, 4 Cisco switches (gigabit) a cisco router, 2 cisco 802.11N wireless AP

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johnjacobjingerh:

and the dell server

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johnjacobjingerh:

so that's gonna be my backend i think

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saintdev:

sphery: 1

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sphery:

saintdev: how big is it (according to mythweb or frontend--hit I in the frontend 2x to find the size)

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saintdev:

19.32 GB

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sphery:

then that's correct (that's the "Space Used by Deleted Recordings: 20,901 MB")

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sphery:

are these shows you're looking for in the Live TV recording group?

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saintdev:

no

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johnjacobjingerh:

can mythv videos be streamed to a remote webbrowser in flash format?

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[R]:

yes

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johnjacobjingerh:

ok i am installing mythtv right now... but i dont yet have a cable card... can I throw something on there I already have (no DRM) and see if i can access it from a frontend device? does it need to be in a particular format (the video)

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[R]:

mythvideo supports all the file formats ffmpeg does

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johnjacobjingerh:

so i'm following these instructions: https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/blob/cc3c3a . . . d10a/INSTALL

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johnjacobjingerh:

i've downloaded the plugins but i cant find a directory called mythweb... I do however see one called mythbrowser

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wagnerrp:

mythweb is technically not a plugin

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wagnerrp:

it is a separate web application, run using apache

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wagnerrp:

just download the repository, make sure the included mythweb.conf is stuffed somewhere apache will include it, and the paths defined in it are correct

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wagnerrp:

then just restart apache

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wagnerrp:

the mythplugins directory in the main repository only includes binaries that need to be compiled against the main application

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johnjacobjingerh:

wait.. there's a repo for it?

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johnjacobjingerh:

oh

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johnjacobjingerh:

ummm... sudo apt-get install mythweb?

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johnjacobjingerh:

ha.. cool

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johnjacobjingerh:

wish that was in the readme

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johnjacobjingerh:

bleh.. i hope mythtv comes out with an interface like tversity's flash interface soon

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wagnerrp:

you actually _want_ something to be written in flash?

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wagnerrp:

no wonder you have such a massive machine

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johnjacobjingerh:

lol

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johnjacobjingerh:

no that was an example

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johnjacobjingerh:

i like the flashlib interface that tversity has

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wagnerrp:

there is an in-progress rewrite of the setup utility

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wagnerrp:

intended to get rid of the separate application, and the need to run it on other computers

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Sharky112065:

I really miss the place shifting that SageTV had. It worked really well.

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wagnerrp:

and instead doing it as a web application build into the master backend

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johnjacobjingerh:

like this: http://24.63.106.216:41952/flashlib

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johnjacobjingerh:

oh right u guys cant access that lol

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johnjacobjingerh:

my fault

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johnjacobjingerh:

forgot i had it passworded

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wagnerrp:

oh, you mean frontend, not configuration

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wagnerrp:

there is a HLS server now built into the backend

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wagnerrp:

with a simple proof-of-concept page on the internal webserver that allows access to it

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wagnerrp:

but no clean frontend to use it through

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wagnerrp:

its primary use at the moment is with Torc for iOS

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johnjacobjingerh:

i see

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johnjacobjingerh:

at least i can still watch my videos through the config thing

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johnjacobjingerh:

tho after encoding it to flash that is

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johnjacobjingerh:

:-(

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wagnerrp:

config thing?

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johnjacobjingerh:

through the mythweb

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johnjacobjingerh:

i mean

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wagnerrp:

it's live transcode, you don't have to do it ahead of time

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wagnerrp:

but it's not very capable... it needs to have file access to the recordings, and there is no seeking beyond what has already been transcoded

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johnjacobjingerh:

hmmm but for some reason my mp4s are being played by quicktime, if i put an mkv it plays with VLC browser plugin

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johnjacobjingerh:

and if i use an FLV it plays with flash

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wagnerrp:

wait, what are you referring to?

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johnjacobjingerh:

wel i'm trying to stream over the web to my computer

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johnjacobjingerh:

not using a front end

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johnjacobjingerh:

just doing it from the website

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saintdev:

wagnerrp: i think he's talking about the watch thing in mythweb

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wagnerrp:

there is a mechanism in mythweb, where if you open the details page, it will transcode in real-time to flash

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wagnerrp:

i dont believe it is enabled by default

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johnjacobjingerh:

wait really?

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wagnerrp:

are you actually streaming over the _internet_ or just your home network?

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johnjacobjingerh:

home network, but also the WAN

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johnjacobjingerh:

i have a 50mbps upstream

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wagnerrp:

then just use the asx link

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wagnerrp:

or the direct download

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johnjacobjingerh:

but then i have to wait for it to download right?

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wagnerrp:

the only reason one might want to transcode anything is because they have too slow a network to transfer the original file

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wagnerrp:

whether or not you have to wait is entirely dependent on your choice of player

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johnjacobjingerh:

i was just hoping for a quick click on video and stream do computer (like youtube or hulu kinda lol)

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johnjacobjingerh:

to computer*

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wagnerrp:

you really seem to like flash...

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johnjacobjingerh:

thats just an example

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johnjacobjingerh:

it could be silverlight for all i care

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johnjacobjingerh:

lol

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johnjacobjingerh:

just flash makes it easy to guarentee whatever computer i am using can play it

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johnjacobjingerh:

since all my devices play flash

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wagnerrp:

any UPNP capable application should be able to stream directly from the backend

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wagnerrp:

any application capable of using ASX files should be able to stream through mythweb

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johnjacobjingerh:

can it do that over the WAN tho

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wagnerrp:

by "WAN" you mean "the internet"?

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wagnerrp:

no

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johnjacobjingerh:

yes

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johnjacobjingerh:

oh

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johnjacobjingerh:

:-(

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wagnerrp:

UPNP is local logical network only

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johnjacobjingerh:

the other option was a VPN tunnel

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johnjacobjingerh:

lol

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wagnerrp:

you can make it work over a VPN

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johnjacobjingerh:

but that's too much of a hassle

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johnjacobjingerh:

lol

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johnjacobjingerh:

wait... wagnerrp how do i enable this flash thing u are talking about...

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wagnerrp:

click the "key and wrench" icon at the top

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wagnerrp:

"mythweb" on the left, "video playback" tab at the top

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johnjacobjingerh:

ah i see

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johnjacobjingerh:

had to install ffmpeg

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johnjacobjingerh:

hmmm i added a coverart but for some reason it still says its missing cover

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prologic:

Hmm my mythtv.inpgoress table has become corrupt for some reason

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prologic:

mysqlcheck doesn't seem to be repairing it

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prologic:

not really sure what to do now

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prologic:

any ideas?

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prologic:

hmm

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prologic:

issuing a "repair table ..." seems to have fixed it

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oobe:

just upgraded slackware from 13.37 > 14.0

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oobe:

then I see the new mythtv version so upgrading that too :)

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oobe:

upgrade went ok

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oobe:

:)

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aranc23:

I have a 0.25 backend, at it is reporting it's in America/New York timezone (so mythfrontend informs me), but the system is set to America/Chicago

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aranc23:

I have verified the /etc/localtime file, truncated my program table, tried none and auto as a setting for xmltv data on the backend

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aranc23:

how does 0.25 backend determine what timezone it's in?

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oobe:

anyone know if mythweb can work with apache 2.4 I am having problems getting it to work after upgrading distro versions

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oobe:

I tried downgrading apache but it didnt work either

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jams:

aranc23- it does read it from the system..nothing in the db

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jams:

which distro

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jams:

oobe- i'm sure it will work with apache 2.4 it more then likely a php problem that your having or apache misconfig

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aranc23:

jams: fedora 17

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aranc23:

so, for the record there is an /etc/sysconfig/clock file on my system

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aranc23:

it contains America/New York

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jams:

looks like it reads TZ, then /etc/timezone then /etc/sysconfig/clock then /etc/localtime

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jams:

first one it finds wins

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aranc23:

but I didn't know it existed so I set /etc/localtime by copying the correct file into /etc/localtime

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aranc23:

now I know haha

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aranc23:

the comment actually says in that file: This file is only for evaluation by system-config-date, do not rely on its contents elsewhere

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jams:

on a redhat system sysconfig/clock is the correct one

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aranc23:

as the comment indicates, it isn't meant to be read by anything but system-config-date

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aranc23:

which I didn't use

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jams:

well thats just redhat preferred..doesn't really matter to myth

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oobe:

ok will plod along with it tommorow messed around enough with sofware today

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oobe:

thanks

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Awesomeness:

hi

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Awesomeness:

the haupuge 1600 card is out of stock

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Awesomeness:

is that card been replaced by another version?

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osmium:

Hi everyone: I've decided to become a MythTV user after becoming dissatisfied with the DVRs offered by my cable company. I've got MythTV set up on my system. However, I am unable to record shows or watch live television using the HD PVR connected to my set-top box. If I attempt to watch TV, I simply see a black screen that never goes away (unless I kill Myth Frontend). And my recordings are just black thumbnails – no video. Not sure what to do at this

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