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| [00:33:00] | frontrange: | Quick Q – Does a secondary backend livetv directory need to be an NFS mount of the same directory on the master BE? |
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| [00:33:22] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [00:33:36] | wagnerrp: | backends only need access to the storage you want them to use |
| [00:33:47] | frontrange: | OK thanks! |
| [00:33:53] | wagnerrp: | so a slave backend only needs the master's directories NFS mounted if you want it to record over NFS |
| [00:34:38] | frontrange: | If I don't use a common directory w/nfs, do I lose anything? |
| [00:35:17] | wagnerrp: | slave backends are limited to their own storage, nothing more |
| [00:35:31] | frontrange: | great, TA! |
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| [01:15:22] | keith4__: | can I move files between storage groups? |
| [01:15:44] | wagnerrp: | between directories within the same storage group and host, yes |
| [01:15:47] | keith4__: | (... and expect the backend to still find them?) |
| [01:16:01] | keith4__: | no changes to the DB necessary, right? |
| [01:16:54] | keith4__: | I just added another disk to my backend, and feel like I should manually balance the used space a bit. any reason not to do this? |
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| [01:34:01] | wagnerrp: | as long as both directories are defined, none at all |
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| [06:56:10] | LedHed: | best filesystem for recordings/videos? I'm currently using XFS (and have been for almost 10 years). Just wondering if EXT4 or BTRFS have advantages over XFS? |
| [06:58:22] | dekarl: | XFS/JFS/ZFS sound fine. EXT4 will do, but if you already are on XFS (made with settings for a small amount of big files?) I'd not switch |
| [06:59:08] | LedHed: | I'm building a new storage volume, so its not formatted yet. |
| [06:59:11] | wagnerrp: | id still give btrfs a bit more time to mature too |
| [06:59:34] | wagnerrp: | btrfs (and zfs) really have no value as bulk storage anyway |
| [06:59:34] | LedHed: | ZFS isn't an option as its linux. |
| [06:59:46] | wagnerrp: | http://zfsonlinux.org |
| [06:59:53] | wagnerrp: | or something like that |
| [07:00:04] | LedHed: | ya but it loads as a kernel module if I remember corectly. |
| [07:00:06] | wagnerrp: | some project based out of Lawrence Livermore |
| [07:00:16] | wagnerrp: | what doesn't load as a kernel module? |
| [07:00:37] | LedHed: | from what I read, loading it as a module isnt as fast |
| [07:01:00] | wagnerrp: | anyway.... the value of btrfs and zfs is in their dynamic configurability |
| [07:01:00] | dekarl: | ohh http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XFS_Filesystem documentation ;) |
| [07:01:05] | LedHed: | doesn't matter really. The backend storage is ZFS (FreeBSD 9 w/ ZFS v28) |
| [07:01:48] | wagnerrp: | you can have all sorts of partitions and subpartitions with different redundance, compression, and other such properties |
| [07:02:05] | LedHed: | but I'm mounting the storage via iSCSI, just wondering if XFS (being as old as it is) still has any advantage against newer filesystems |
| [07:02:06] | wagnerrp: | but for bulk storage of recordings, all you have is one flat folder |
| [07:02:16] | wagnerrp: | wait... what now? |
| [07:02:23] | dekarl: | LedHed: I think you are refering to early days where ZFS on Linux was a userland daemon... No problem with being a loadable module :) |
| [07:02:40] | wagnerrp: | yeah, there was the old (and slow) FUSE version |
| [07:03:07] | wagnerrp: | why not just put the drives in the respective backends |
| [07:03:12] | dekarl: | hmm if "backend is on ZFS/FreeBSD" what does "best filesystem for recordings" refer to? |
| [07:03:24] | wagnerrp: | no real value storing them on some remote server and sharing them out over iscsi |
| [07:03:33] | wagnerrp: | all you're going to do is cut performance |
| [07:03:55] | dekarl: | ohh, I see XFS over iSCSI on ZFS... I'd avoid that |
| [07:04:22] | wagnerrp: | you mean you're going to make a virtual volume on ZFS, and share that over iscsi to record to? |
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| [07:04:27] | wagnerrp: | no, just use NFS |
| [07:04:31] | LedHed: | dekarl, explain. |
| [07:04:56] | LedHed: | no XFS on top of ZFS |
| [07:05:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah, don't do that |
| [07:05:22] | LedHed: | wagnerrp, no option for disks to be local |
| [07:05:39] | dekarl: | LedHed: there are no benefits... just record localy to a XFS partition of some gigs and move the recording to the ZFS backend via a script post-recording... |
| [07:05:42] | wagnerrp: | don't overcomplicate things, use NFS |
| [07:05:44] | LedHed: | Myth backend is a VM running in ESXi |
| [07:05:49] | wagnerrp: | eeew |
| [07:06:24] | wagnerrp: | very little reason for any home user to be running a hypervisor |
| [07:06:39] | LedHed: | wagnerrp, sure there is |
| [07:06:44] | LedHed: | you havent seen my closet |
| [07:06:45] | LedHed: | ;) |
| [07:06:50] | wagnerrp: | basically, if you think you need a hypervisor, you need to stop dicking around with so many independent operating systems |
| [07:07:08] | wagnerrp: | find one you like, find software that will run on it, and stick to it |
| [07:08:00] | [R]: | ;p; |
| [07:08:02] | [R]: | lol* |
| [07:08:14] | LedHed: | wagnerrp, currently have (all physical) 1 myth backend, 1 windows domain controller, 1 firewall (linux), 1 proxy (FreeBSD), and 1 web server (linux) |
| [07:08:17] | wagnerrp: | the only real value of virtual machines is testing and absolute security/stability isolation |
| [07:08:37] | wagnerrp: | use samba 4 as your domain controller |
| [07:08:43] | LedHed: | now I have 2 boxes, 1 SAN (FreeBSD), and 1 Virtual Host (ESXi) |
| [07:08:45] | wagnerrp: | apache runs just as well on freebsd as it does linux |
| [07:09:06] | wagnerrp: | pf/altq is more capable than similar utilities on linux |
| [07:09:21] | wagnerrp: | not sure what you might want a proxy for |
| [07:09:26] | LedHed: | kids |
| [07:09:32] | dekarl: | I still like the idea of running the mythmediaserver and database on your ZFS box and moving everything there. The only readon to use Linux in that setting is due to strange vendors PCI drivers :) |
| [07:09:50] | dekarl: | s/readon/reason/ |
| [07:09:59] | wagnerrp: | personally... have one firewall/gateway/proxy/whatever, and have one mediaserver/backend |
| [07:10:19] | LedHed: | dekarl, you mean install the backend on the FreeBSD box, and have it also be the iSCSI target for my ESXi |
| [07:10:29] | dekarl: | aye |
| [07:10:32] | wagnerrp: | no, i mean scrap esxi |
| [07:10:40] | LedHed: | not gonna happen |
| [07:10:53] | wagnerrp: | you're unnecessarily complicating things |
| [07:10:55] | dekarl: | what wagnerrp says is taking it a step further |
| [07:11:16] | wagnerrp: | if you want isolated "systems" for ease of management, use jails |
| [07:11:41] | dekarl: | a good answer would be "I use a windows PDC because I use it to train for my professional engagements" or similar |
| [07:11:53] | wagnerrp: | and as far as hardware drivers are concerned, if you're accessing hardware, you want to run on bare metal |
| [07:11:54] | LedHed: | which isnt the case |
| [07:12:06] | LedHed: | I use it at home to control my kids desktops |
| [07:12:27] | LedHed: | Group Policy, and AD/Auth |
| [07:12:34] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: sure, but then you're talking a secondary use, and you would be better off running some virtual machine on top of a host os |
| [07:12:52] | wagnerrp: | isn't samba 4 capable of that stuff? |
| [07:13:05] | LedHed: | samba 4 isnt final yet |
| [07:13:11] | LedHed: | still RC1 I think |
| [07:13:16] | LedHed: | which is close |
| [07:13:18] | dekarl: | isn't ESX a linux box + vm? can't you just run the backend in the host OS? |
| [07:13:23] | wagnerrp: | or later stuff in 3.5 or 3.6 or something |
| [07:13:34] | wagnerrp: | ESXi is a hypervisor |
| [07:13:42] | wagnerrp: | vmware IS your host os at that point |
| [07:13:49] | LedHed: | dekarl, yes ESXi is linux |
| [07:13:53] | wagnerrp: | and everything runs through the virtualization layer |
| [07:13:58] | wagnerrp: | meaning nothing has proper access to hardware |
| [07:14:39] | LedHed: | there is no hardware for it to access really. No PCI/PCIe anywat |
| [07:14:52] | wagnerrp: | well then why screw around with a linux backend? |
| [07:15:01] | wagnerrp: | just run it on your freebsd file server |
| [07:15:20] | LedHed: | dont want to load a gui on the FreeBSD box |
| [07:15:30] | wagnerrp: | the only meaningful advantage of linux over freebsd as far as mythtv is concerned is driver support |
| [07:15:34] | dekarl: | ahh, I'm not finding the blog post from devin about how virtualization introduces side effects into dvb drivers :( |
| [07:16:08] | wagnerrp: | wait, you're not actually planning on running your _frontend_ on a virtual machine, are you? |
| [07:16:08] | LedHed: | using HDHR-Primes |
| [07:16:24] | wagnerrp: | danger! danger led robinson! |
| [07:16:25] | LedHed: | wagnerrp, sure. the frontends run ESXi also. |
| [07:16:29] | dekarl: | but, your freebsd backend can happily record from the HDHR |
| [07:16:30] | LedHed: | just kidding |
| [07:16:34] | wagnerrp: | abort! |
| [07:17:03] | dekarl: | I bet you'll find users with FreeBSD + HDHR backends in this channel right now :) |
| [07:17:14] | LedHed: | probably |
| [07:17:20] | wagnerrp: | well if you're not running a frontend on it, where does the GUI come into play? |
| [07:17:37] | LedHed: | mythtv setup |
| [07:17:56] | wagnerrp: | needs nothing more than the base Xorg libraries, and a remote X server |
| [07:18:00] | LedHed: | configuring the capture cards, inputs, and channel mappings |
| [07:18:15] | LedHed: | wagnerrp, thats a possibility |
| [07:18:16] | wagnerrp: | and if you want to keep things clean, stuff it in a jail |
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| [07:18:40] | LedHed: | and if Myth on ESXi gives me trouble then I'll probably run the backend on the FreeBSD box |
| [07:18:41] | wagnerrp: | although for HDHRs to properly work, they need full network access, and not just an aliased address from a jail |
| [07:18:52] | wagnerrp: | that means a custom kernel with VIMAGE built in |
| [07:19:04] | wagnerrp: | and there are some difficulties you need to work out getting those into jails |
| [07:19:21] | LedHed: | I probably wouldnt jail the backend |
| [07:20:08] | wagnerrp: | it makes management very easy, it's what most users are actually looking for when they turn to virtual machines |
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| [07:20:52] | wagnerrp: | upgrade whatever you want on one system without harming the other |
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| [07:21:02] | wagnerrp: | shove it in a ZFS partition, and snapshot it before changes |
| [07:21:21] | wagnerrp: | clone it before a big upgrade, and it things go sideways, take three seconds to start up the old copy |
| [07:21:22] | wagnerrp: | etc... |
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| [07:22:06] | ** wagnerrp is going to bed ** | |
| [07:22:16] | LedHed: | thanks for the ideas wagnerrp |
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| [10:50:43] | laga: | hey there. working on color adjustment support for vdpau right now. the math is not that easy ;) |
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| [14:09:56] | IReboot: | Does "MythAVTest" support DVB Subtitle in an overlay image directory? Both the video file and DVB subtitle image subdirectory are in the same directory. e.g. a directory named "uk_dvb_example.dvb-8" and the command: mythavtest "uk_dvb_example.mkv" I found that the mythavtest menu does not show an enable subtitles option. |
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| [14:27:30] | natanojl: | IReboot: Only .sub, .srt, .txt as far as I know |
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| [14:37:27] | bergqvistjl: | I'm trying to burn a recording using mytharchive to DVD. It's worked in the past but now whenever i run the recording encode command as part of the job, i just get nothing :/ |
| [14:37:40] | bergqvistjl: | the program doesnt appear to run, just gives me a new command-line line |
| [14:37:45] | bergqvistjl: | this is the command im using |
| [14:38:58] | bergqvistjl: | ffmpeg -threads 2 -v 1 -i "/mnt/recordings/Kevin McCloud's Man Made Home – - 1047 – 2012-09–24 20-00–00.mpg" -r pal -target dvd -b 2344k -s 352x576 |
| [14:38:58] | bergqvistjl: | -acodec ac3 -ab 192k -ac 2 -copyts -aspect 16:9 "/var/lib/mythtv/mytharchive/temp/work/1/newfile2.mpg" -map 0:0 -map 0:1 |
| [14:39:01] | bergqvistjl: | argh |
| [14:39:28] | bergqvistjl: | -ab 192k -ac 2 -copyts -aspect 16:9 "/var/lib/mythtv/mytharchive/temp/work/1/newfile2.mpg" -map 0:0 -map 0:1 --verbose |
| [14:39:32] | bergqvistjl: | thats the 2nd bit |
| [14:39:42] | bergqvistjl: | but yeah, when i press enter it's as though nothign happens |
| [14:39:50] | bergqvistjl: | i just get a new cursor on the below line |
| [14:40:59] | bergqvistjl: | any ideas? |
| [14:41:43] | bergqvistjl: | has the same effect when i run it as root too, so i know it's not a directory problem |
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| [14:49:48] | bergqvistjl: | yeah, it's definatly an ffmpeg problem |
| [14:49:54] | bergqvistjl: | it's just not runnig :/ |
| [14:50:00] | bergqvistjl: | not even attempting the encode |
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| [14:56:27] | bergqvistjl: | could it be the fact that i use a different (longer) filename than the default?] |
| [14:57:04] | laga: | bergqvistjl: does ffmpeg work in general? |
| [14:57:18] | bergqvistjl: | well if i run it without arguments, i get a response |
| [14:57:30] | laga: | and if you use any old video file? |
| [14:57:34] | bergqvistjl: | yup |
| [14:57:41] | bergqvistjl: | just tried it with the one that worked previously, and it's not working |
| [14:58:00] | laga: | have you changed anything in the system lately? |
| [14:58:02] | bergqvistjl: | its so odd :/ cos you'd think if id made a syntax error in the command, it would tell me. |
| [14:58:09] | bergqvistjl: | erm... not that i can think of. |
| [14:58:14] | bergqvistjl: | is there some log for FFMPEG? |
| [14:58:27] | bergqvistjl: | the mytharchive log for the job just says the command terminated. |
| [14:58:28] | laga: | typically stdout and stderr |
| [15:02:27] | bergqvistjl: | hmm |
| [15:02:37] | bergqvistjl: | how do i generate a log file from that command then? |
| [15:02:57] | bergqvistjl: | this is the command im using now, still doesnt work |
| [15:02:58] | bergqvistjl: | mythffmpeg -threads 2 -v 1 -i "/mnt/recordings/Health Before the NHS – A Medical Revolution – 1009 – 2012-10–01 21-00–00.mpg" -r pal -target dvd -b 9000k -s 720x576 -acodec ac3 -ab 192k -ac 2 -copyts -aspect 16:9 -pass %passno -passlogfile %passlogfile "/var/lib/mythtv/mytharchive/temp/work/1/newfile2.mpg" -map 0:0 -map 0:1 |
| [15:07:35] | bergqvistjl: | any ideas? |
| [15:07:55] | laga: | it probably does not work because you're using the %passno and %passlogfile variables? |
| [15:08:48] | bergqvistjl: | no if i take those out it still doesnt work |
| [15:08:57] | bergqvistjl: | and that doesnt explain why it fails to run within mytharchive either |
| [15:10:05] | bergqvistjl: | :/ |
| [15:10:08] | bergqvistjl: | well that's odd. |
| [15:10:14] | bergqvistjl: | if i take out the -target dvd bit, it works :/ |
| [15:10:19] | bergqvistjl: | well, begins to encode anyway |
| [15:12:51] | bergqvistjl: | Ah, i think ive' found it |
| [15:13:08] | bergqvistjl: | instead of it being -target dvd, ffmpeg now wants it to be pal-dvd |
| [15:15:48] | bergqvistjl: | well its now encoding from within mytharchive now, fingers crossed :D |
| [15:16:05] | bergqvistjl: | i just edited the encoder profiles xml file |
| [15:16:12] | bergqvistjl: | it seems to run with the -r pal left in. |
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| [16:24:17] | steve__: | Having a problem with my secondary BE setup, can only watch TV from the FE on the same machine. When the primary tuner is in use on that machine, if I try to watch TV on another FE, it tells me it can't connect to the master BE server... |
| [16:29:24] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you did something screwy, like configure two independent mythtv clusters |
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| [16:33:31] | steve__: | Does the secondary BR need a static address in myth setup? |
| [16:33:40] | steve__: | BE I mean |
| [16:34:24] | wagnerrp: | all backends must have a static address, as defined by the "Backend Server IP" when running mythtv-setup on that physical machine |
| [16:34:36] | steve__: | That must be it... |
| [16:34:50] | wagnerrp: | then the global "Master Server IP" defines which one of those backends is designated as the master |
| [16:35:04] | wagnerrp: | any chance your slave backend is running its own database server? |
| [16:35:32] | steve__: | I installed it from the Mythbuntu 12.4.01 distro as a secondary BE |
| [16:36:02] | steve__: | But Ill ps on it to be sure |
| [16:36:52] | wagnerrp: | basically, every frontend and backend you are running represents a single "cluster", and that cluster must share a single database, running on a single database server |
| [16:36:55] | IReboot: | natanojl: thanks |
| [16:38:24] | natanojl: | IReboot: np |
| [16:42:39] | steve__: | Understand that. I did put a static ip on the secondary and checked to make sure it is not using a local sql server. Still have the same problem. |
| [16:43:37] | steve__: | I'm running a FE upstairs right now using the single cable box on the master. When I try to watch TV on the master too, the screen just flickers and stays at the main menu. |
| [16:44:07] | steve__: | I'd expect it to tell me all tuner are in use, or to grab one of the other tunes on the secondary.. |
| [16:44:19] | wagnerrp: | what if you try to watch an existing recording? |
| [16:44:45] | steve__: | I don't have any yet. This is a new setup |
| [16:45:02] | wagnerrp: | pastebin your backend logs |
| [16:45:15] | steve__: | The master? |
| [16:45:20] | wagnerrp: | both |
| [16:45:24] | steve__: | OK |
| [16:45:31] | wagnerrp: | note that's pastebin, not paste |
| [16:45:40] | steve__: | Yup |
| [16:56:42] | steve__: | http://pastebin.com/4t41d6gE is the secondary log file |
| [16:58:31] | steve__: | http://pastebin.com/mCmUHwt2 is the primary BE log |
| [16:59:21] | wagnerrp: | better if i can actually see the startup |
| [16:59:41] | wagnerrp: | rather than just a short excerpt from a backend that has been running for an untold amount of time |
| [17:00:24] | steve__: | I just greps for todays entries since this is the first I've tried it. But I restart everything and give it another go. |
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| [17:14:38] | oobe: | I would double check all of your sources and inputs on the mythtv-setup at both the primary and secondary backends |
| [17:15:13] | oobe: | also double check you can get a mysql connection using CLI from any frontend or slave |
| [17:45:46] | steve__: | What is the mysql password? |
| [17:45:55] | wagnerrp: | whatever you set it to |
| [17:46:15] | steve__: | The password on the FE setup screen? |
| [17:46:33] | wagnerrp: | the current settings can be found in ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
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| [17:52:45] | steve__: | Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'%' to database 'mythtv' |
| [17:53:01] | steve__: | That was from the secondary BE |
| [17:54:21] | steve__: | Opps, wron table name |
| [17:54:36] | steve__: | It works, I can see all of the tables from the client |
| [17:55:09] | steve__: | Is there some way the secondary BE tuners should appear on the master setup? |
| [17:55:31] | wagnerrp: | no, mythtv-setup only controls hardware for that specific machine |
| [17:55:39] | steve__: | Also, how do you upload a file to pastebin that is too big for the clipboard? |
| [17:55:45] | wagnerrp: | however the additional tuners should appear on the backend status page |
| [17:55:56] | wagnerrp: | try pastebinit |
| [17:56:05] | steve__: | is that under the information tab? |
| [17:56:26] | wagnerrp: | no, that's the page served up by the backend webserver, and mirrored in mythweb |
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| [18:00:15] | steve__: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1295619/ is the backend log |
| [18:02:06] | steve__: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1295625/ is the master BE log |
| [18:02:35] | wagnerrp: | now you fixed the IP address around 10AM, that didn't fix it? |
| [18:03:01] | steve__: | Nope. Which port for the web server? |
| [18:03:18] | wagnerrp: | do you have mythweb installed? |
| [18:03:57] | steve__: | I don't know if it comes with the default mythbuntu, I don't remember an option for it... |
| [18:04:17] | wagnerrp: | easier to access it that way, i don't recall the direct URL for it |
| [18:05:02] | steve__: | it took forever, but just came up |
| [18:05:48] | steve__: | Is it supposed to be dog slow getting status? |
| [18:06:59] | wagnerrp: | only if it is stalled trying to access something |
| [18:07:07] | wagnerrp: | normally, it should come back within a few seconds |
| [18:07:48] | steve__: | must be stalled, Im still waiting |
| [18:08:10] | wagnerrp: | file permissions on your recording folders, perhaps? |
| [18:10:22] | steve__: | ran find /var/lib/mythtv -exec chown mythtv.mythtv {} \; -print and tried again, still no joy |
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| [18:17:07] | steve__: | Something was hung and restarting BE didn't fix it so I rebooted |
| [18:17:46] | steve__: | Now all the encoders show on the BE status, but the secondary ones show "not connected" |
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| [18:23:05] | osmium: | Hi everyone: I've decided to become a MythTV user after becoming dissatisfied with the DVRs offered by my cable company. I've got MythTV set up on my system. However, I am unable to record shows or watch live television using the HD PVR connected to my set-top box. If I attempt to watch TV, I simply see a black screen that never goes away (unless I kill Myth Frontend). And my recordings are just black thumbnails – no video. Not sure what to do at this |
| [18:24:13] | steve__: | <wagnerrp> Reboot of master and restart secondary cleared things up, all is running now. Thanks! |
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| [18:55:00] | bergqvistjl: | I have another problem with mytharchive, it's ignoring the cutlist when burning to DVD, despite the fact that I have the use cutlist option selected, and the files have working cutlists (i.e. when in view recordings mode) |
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| [19:00:42] | bergqvistjl: | in the options that the log viewer shows when encoding, it says for each file: "Node = cutlist, Data = " yet a couple of lines down it has "Node = hascutlist, Data – yes" |
| [19:01:53] | bergqvistjl: | so yeah, very confusing. |
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| [19:07:40] | bergqvistjl: | well this looks like a bug |
| [19:07:56] | bergqvistjl: | given that files ive burnt sucessfully with a cutlist are no longer being cut |
| [19:10:47] | bergqvistjl: | Also ive just realised this update has also severly truncated what mytharchive can do. |
| [19:10:58] | bergqvistjl: | doesn't offer me any options for projectx or subtitles now |
| [19:13:49] | bergqvistjl: | anyone else have the projectx options missing? |
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| [19:22:58] | bergqvistjl: | OK I was wrong about projectx, it's in the archive files settings. In that case i'm going to try and encode using that, and see if it uses the cutlist |
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| [19:44:30] | bergqvistjl: | i should report this pub |
| [19:44:32] | bergqvistjl: | *bug |
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| [22:27:26] | saintdev: | I have about 5 or 6 old .nuv files that I would like to delete. I can't find them with the frontend, but the entries do still exist in the database. What would be the best way to remove these? |
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| [22:36:01] | aramus: | Hi there for some reason when mythtv is starting I get this error every time about a sendprofile.py and then I get the send crash report thing etc, any idea how to fix this? |
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| [22:45:34] | stuartm: | jams: ^^ |
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| [23:03:55] | ScuffMcGruff: | Can anyone comment on if an E2160 + 4670 would do MythTV OK ? |
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| [23:17:12] | jams: | oh well he didn't stick around long |
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