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| [06:59:14] | dekarl: | trumee: Scopeuk-AFK, try dvbsnoop for debugging. Look at PMT, SDT and EIT and see if all the flags (guide_present) and ids (ONID,TID) line up correctly. |
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| [07:27:30] | dekarl: | justinh: stuartm, public channels must not be encrypted on any transport. which led to the usual microsoft iptv deployments being extended to support unencrypted DVB-IPTV. But yes, more then 50% of the cable market is encrypted like in the US, but they have proposed to go back to basic channels in clear so they can have larger monopoly areas... |
| [07:32:59] | dekarl: | best I could find in english http://www.advfn.com/nasdaq/StockNews.asp?sto . . . cle=50401921 ... They'll allow fiber to be installed, they'll allow housing operators to switch away and they'll stop encrypting basic cable as its not encrypted in the network they're buying |
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| [10:55:56] | homebrewcider: | hi there, my frontend keeps crashing all of a sudden. Only thing that's changed that I know of is my backend updated and crashed halfway through, then upon restarting it gave me the option (which I took) t o do a partial upgrade |
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| [11:46:42] | homebrewcider: | my frontend won't connect to the backend all of a sudden, can anbody help? |
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| [14:33:08] | teo-en-ming: | hi anybody free here? |
| [14:33:39] | teo-en-ming: | i have a problem. mythtv-setup reports that it cannot find any tv channels |
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| [15:08:42] | sphery: | teo-en-ming: I'm guessing that you're using analog channels and attempting a scan? If so, the analog scanner may or may not work properly. (I'm also guessing that you've specified the proper frequency table, since you were the one that added it back in 2006. :) |
| [15:09:18] | sphery: | teo-en-ming: If analog channel scanning isn't working, you may have to manually add channels using the Channel Editor. |
| [15:10:25] | teo-en-ming: | it was working in Ubuntu 11.10 until i decided to upgrade to Ubuntu 12.04, when channel scanning broke |
| [15:10:47] | sphery: | going from MythTV 0.24 to 0.25 or??? |
| [15:10:50] | teo-en-ming: | i am not sure whether i am using analog or digital channels |
| [15:11:11] | teo-en-ming: | i am using Hauppage WinTV PVR USB2 together with Starhub Cable TV |
| [15:11:32] | teo-en-ming: | i forgot what is the version in Ubuntu 11.10 |
| [15:11:45] | teo-en-ming: | i formatted the whole computer and installed Ubuntu 12.04 |
| [15:12:03] | teo-en-ming: | channel scanning works in Ubuntu 11.10 |
| [15:12:16] | teo-en-ming: | channel scanning broke in ubuntu 12.04 |
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| [15:12:33] | teo-en-ming: | what should i do? |
| [15:12:46] | teo-en-ming: | i checked the logs, but it doesn't say much. |
| [15:14:12] | teo-en-ming: | sphery: you there? |
| [15:15:50] | sphery: | any reason why you didn't just restore your previous database? |
| [15:16:28] | teo-en-ming: | i formatted my computer and installed Ubuntu 12.04 fresh |
| [15:17:08] | teo-en-ming: | i think the Ubuntu 12.04 binary package of mythtv is broken |
| [15:17:28] | teo-en-ming: | maybe I should install back Ubuntu 11.10? |
| [15:18:16] | sphery: | but assuming you did a database backup ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore ) before you formatted the file system with the MySQL data, you could just restore the old database ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database ) and let MythTV upgrade that database to the new version |
| [15:18:36] | sphery: | and it would keep all your old configuration (and recording information and recording history) |
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| [15:19:38] | sphery: | as far as Ubuntu 12.04 goes, I won't be much help with figuring out issues with it |
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| [15:21:02] | teo-en-ming: | maybe i should install mythtv 0.26 from sources? |
| [15:21:18] | teo-en-ming: | and uninstall the mythtv that ships with Ubuntu 12.04? |
| [15:21:33] | sphery: | so, you're saying that the PVR-USB2 was able to scan for channels on Starhub cable with the MythTV version you had on Ubuntu 11.10, but is unable to scan for channels on Starhub cable with the MythTV version in Ubuntu 12.04? |
| [15:21:48] | sphery: | (i.e. the only difference is the MythTV version?) |
| [15:22:07] | sphery: | well, that and the Ubuntu version (which likely means kernel and drivers for the device) |
| [15:22:20] | sphery: | but you were using the same source of video, right? |
| [15:23:10] | sphery: | I know that 12.04 has packages for MythTV 0.26... You have enabled the Mythbuntu repos, right? |
| [15:23:54] | teo-en-ming: | sphery: you are right |
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| [15:24:16] | teo-en-ming: | sphery: how do i enable the mythbuntu repos, can i use the repo in Ubuntu 12.04? |
| [15:24:38] | sphery: | yes, you can (and should) use Mythbuntu repos with "plain" Ubuntu |
| [15:25:13] | sphery: | http://mythbuntu.org/repos has some info, but I don't know details of how to enable them |
| [15:25:43] | teo-en-ming: | what do you mean by "plain" Ubuntu. by the way, how do you know i added the singapore channel frequencies in 2006? |
| [15:25:56] | sphery: | I'd definitely suggest updating to current -fixes version of your chosen release version, then trying again |
| [15:26:28] | sphery: | "plain" Ubuntu meaning you installed some Ubuntu version other than Mythbuntu |
| [15:26:53] | sphery: | as for knowing you added the Singapore frequency tables to MythTV, perhaps I just have a perfect memory... |
| [15:27:37] | sphery: | or I noticed: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . es.cpp#L1156 |
| [15:28:04] | sphery: | Your IP address told me you were on Starhub, which implied Singapore |
| [15:28:17] | sphery: | so when I looked to see if we had a Singapore freq table, I saw that comment |
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| [15:29:36] | sphery: | anyway, good luck with the newer -fixes version... I hope it helps |
| [15:30:10] | sphery: | last resort is always to manually add channels (but that could take a while for a cable subscription) :( |
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| [15:47:38] | teo-en-ming: | sphery: how can i install the version of mythtv that shipped with ubuntu 11.10 in ubuntu 12.04? |
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| [17:48:48] | dekarl: | teo-en-ming: I don't think you can easily install MythTV 0.24 on *buntu 12.04 LTS. |
| [17:49:05] | dekarl: | maybe if you build the packages yourself |
| [17:50:04] | dekarl: | e.g. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1974277 |
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| [18:30:09] | teo-en-ming: | thanks dekarl |
| [18:31:15] | dekarl: | teo-en-ming: if you have to update anyway I'd go with 0.26 directly (lots of bug fixes) |
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| [18:56:02] | lasers: | Hello. I'm planning to build a computer. Will order parts tonight. What TV tuner would you recommend for linux? I estimate I'll use tvtime/xbmc. |
| [18:56:09] | lasers: | Any will do, right? |
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| [19:00:01] | Hoochster: | getting an Error opening jump program file buffer when I try to change channels in Live TV. Going to Live TV works, just the channel change causes it. If I change the livetv storage directory to local it works, but over nfs it isn't. Is there something that has changed in 0.26 that I need to update nfs for? |
| [19:00:21] | Hoochster: | it used to work in 0.25 but it may have broke on one of the latter fixes before 0.26 came out |
| [19:04:32] | justinh: | lasers: any? haha no. check the linuxtv.org wiki after deciding whether you want to do analogue capture, or digital.. and over the air, cable or satellite |
| [19:04:56] | justinh: | but FWIW XBMC is no good as a TV viewing app without a DVR backend driving it |
| [19:05:06] | justinh: | I'm sure they could tell you that in #xbmc though |
| [19:06:04] | lasers: | justinh: Let's go with tvtime for now. XBMC can come later. :) |
| [19:06:08] | justinh: | so one of the systems I look after has gone a bit down the toilet performance-wise. Mysql is er.. overloaded a tad. One table has over 88 million rows :-\ |
| [19:06:11] | lasers: | justinh: Okay, I'll check out the link. |
| [19:06:39] | justinh: | a single machine, with 2GB RAM, default mysql config. Oh, and running Linux in a VM. I'm in a hole with that one |
| [19:06:57] | lasers: | justinh: I don't plan to use mythtv... Just casual TV surfing. Keeping things simple. |
| [19:07:10] | justinh: | lasers: if all you want to do is watch live television, even XBMC with a DVR backend is over-egging the pudding |
| [19:07:28] | justinh: | and tvtime.. doesn't that just support crappy analogue framegrabbers? |
| [19:07:53] | lasers: | I have no idea. I haven't got the opportunity to use anything with tv tuner. :) |
| [19:08:02] | lasers: | I'm here for your thoughts and feedbacks. :) |
| [19:08:21] | justinh: | surfing channels is *so* 20th century :P We're all about recording stuff ahead of time & being spoilt for choice |
| [19:08:25] | lasers: | justinh: Perhaps it would be ideal to snag a small TV insteaed? |
| [19:08:29] | lasers: | instead* |
| [19:08:38] | justinh: | certainly a lot more simple |
| [19:09:31] | lasers: | justinh: Okay. Thank you. Do you know if HDMI capture card work fine with linux? |
| [19:09:38] | justinh: | no no no no |
| [19:10:07] | justinh: | well sure, there are a couple of HDMI input cards, but they won't let you grab anything with HDCP |
| [19:10:09] | lasers: | Not encrypted / HDCP stuffs. General record on... Xbox360 and such. |
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| [19:11:35] | lasers: | justinh: Okay. I'll skip on the card. It's very luxury option. One I'd love to have. :) |
| [19:11:49] | justinh: | lasers: you can use the Hauppauge 1482 HD-PVR2 Gaming Edition... but I dunno if that works in linux |
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| [19:12:13] | justinh: | ah. it doesn't. LOL |
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| [19:13:29] | lasers: | justinh: Is TV really that jarring on the capture card-->tvtime? |
| [19:13:32] | justinh: | then there's the Blackmagic series of HDMI capture cards.. which sort of work in linux.. but er.. don't do any compression to speak of on the card, so they'd make *massive* files |
| [19:13:53] | justinh: | last time I looked tvtime only supported analog V4L tuner cards |
| [19:14:25] | lasers: | justinh: I'm guessing that there won't be any support for digital cards because it may be encrypted? |
| [19:14:44] | lasers: | (I don't know much about digital/analog — but I know I have analog cable). |
| [19:14:55] | justinh: | no, tvtime apparently *does* support digital TV tuners |
| [19:14:58] | ** lasers does not have a cable box ** | |
| [19:15:27] | justinh: | chances are you'd need an analogue tuner to capture digital cable anyway – i.e. just grab the output of the cable box |
| [19:15:45] | justinh: | or the much more pricey option of the CableCard solution |
| [19:16:52] | lasers: | justinh: I'll post something on Craigslist or look on eBay for something old/cheap. I figure it'd be silly to spend $90 (low newegg price). Maybe I'll luck out and find something. |
| [19:17:01] | lasers: | justinh: Cheers! |
| [19:17:06] | lasers: | Have a nice day! |
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| [19:17:13] | justinh: | you too |
| [19:17:16] | lasers: | tubo: Have a nice day! :) |
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| [19:18:02] | justinh: | hmm reading up on mysql practises is not fun |
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| [19:20:18] | justinh: | stupid system is getting healthcheck polls from mobile DVRs every 2 minutes, each dumping 16 still images from the cameras... across 10 systems with about 100 DVRs each.. into one master database (each slave machine has its own mysql db, but is synced at regular intervals). Pretty big databases |
| [19:25:18] | justinh: | heh apparently not very big at all. |
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| [19:30:44] | justinh: | holy crapola. This PHP code doesn't help a bit.. arr_users = queryDatabase("select * from users;"); followed by int_total_users = count ($arr_users); stuff like that is gonna have to be select count(*) from users instead methinks |
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| [20:37:36] | comingatyoubro: | can VDPAU help a mythtv backend at all? |
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| [20:48:32] | russell5: | in what way? yes for me it took a lot of work off my cpu |
| [20:51:06] | russell5: | sorry mine was a BE/FE combo. if its only a backend then no |
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| [21:12:55] | dijonyummy: | is there an easy consistent way to install mythtv on ubuntu 12.04? i installed it on my laptop and it works fine. installed in on my desktop, same ubuntu version, but it just doesnt work. the log says there might be some config error. |
| [21:14:57] | comingatyoubro: | russell5: yea i meant taking load off of cpu for backend only, sounds like that won't do anything |
| [21:17:10] | russell5: | but my backend only does minimal cpu even when recording 4 things |
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| [21:48:29] | frontrange: | Anyone know why mythsetup wizard says it cannot initialize HW with VDPAU settings on my GeForce 9500 GT display card? Using the Nvidia drivers... |
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| [22:00:18] | stuartm: | frontrange: is libvdpau installed? |
| [22:01:07] | stuartm: | it's no longer shipped with the driver by most distros, it's a separate install |
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| [22:20:11] | frontrange: | stuartm – I'm using Mythbutu 12.4.1. I used the same distro to load my Atom/Ion FE's and they are all working using VDPAU |
| [22:21:07] | Bummed: | frontrange what are you running for your master backend ? |
| [22:21:44] | frontrange: | I just set up a new Core2 Duo 2.4GHz 6GB system |
| [22:22:23] | ** Bummed is struggling with what to run the backend master on ** | |
| [22:22:54] | frontrange: | Last server was too mas, 8 cores... |
| [22:23:49] | Bummed: | right now I have a choice of P4, Pentium-M and Pentium with hyperthreading |
| [22:24:08] | Bummed: | or buying something new .. |
| [22:26:19] | frontrange: | I have torc on iPad and they recommend a minimum of core2 Duo. If you also want to do a HD FE on the BE, I'd go with core2 min. Also, you can't get VDPAU on an olde PCI bus MB |
| [22:28:52] | frontrange: | All the guts of the system I just built came off ebay for < $100 incl shipping. |
| [22:28:56] | Bummed: | which atom based machine are you using ? |
| [22:29:08] | frontrange: | I'm spending more than that on my Atom FE's |
| [22:29:27] | frontrange: | The Zotac, atom + Ion |
| [22:29:42] | Bummed: | yeah .. I have a core I3 quad core for fe |
| [22:29:53] | Bummed: | struggling to figure out the back end |
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| [22:30:56] | frontrange: | Too mas iron for a FE imho. Waste of power. The Zboxs run 16 watts. |
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| [22:38:39] | frontrange: | So anyone got any ideas on why my Nvidia 9500 GT wont init VDPAU? |
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| [22:40:24] | Bummed: | frantrange .. it does double duty .. daughters laptop .. skype machine.. etc |
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| [22:44:43] | frontrange: | Don't think you'll be happy with that. Been running dedicated FE for about 8 years now, I can't stand it when there is an outage. |
| [22:46:11] | frontrange: | Sorry, meant to say dedicated FE's and BE |
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| [22:53:07] | Arch_NME: | hi |
| [22:53:39] | Arch_NME: | I am putting together an HTPC and was looking for some advice on hardware purchasing |
| [22:53:59] | Arch_NME: | what is known to work well |
| [22:54:20] | Arch_NME: | Is anyone around? |
| [22:57:19] | justinh: | nope :-) |
| [22:58:05] | justinh: | generally you'll be wanting to use hardware known to work with linux, with mythtv |
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| [22:58:31] | justinh: | kinda stating the obvious there but you'd be surprised how few people still check before buying |
| [22:58:37] | Arch_NME: | yeah |
| [22:58:53] | Arch_NME: | well, any recomedations on a remote control? |
| [22:59:10] | Arch_NME: | that's what I'm hung up on right now |
| [22:59:22] | justinh: | don't buy anything by logitech. my last harmony's buttons wore out. sucky for a device which didn't get that much use |
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| [22:59:41] | justinh: | although maybe they've changed the design recently.. looks like they might have |
| [23:00:03] | ** justinh recommends universal remotes ** | |
| [23:00:25] | justinh: | look – it's a TV remote, HTPC remote, AV receiver remote... |
| [23:00:27] | Arch_NME: | well, I mean like what about the receiver that connects to the PC? |
| [23:00:49] | Arch_NME: | will any pretty much work? |
| [23:00:59] | justinh: | just bought a couple of HP MCE remote kits from ebay.. they work fine |
| [23:01:05] | justinh: | took all of 5 minutes to configure too |
| [23:01:10] | Arch_NME: | oh cool |
| [23:01:14] | Arch_NME: | thanks |
| [23:01:25] | justinh: | generally any genuine MCE remote gear will work |
| [23:01:28] | justinh: | apparently |
| [23:02:10] | Arch_NME: | oh ok |
| [23:02:24] | Arch_NME: | well with that decision taken care of... |
| [23:02:49] | Arch_NME: | do you know anything about dbv-s tuners? |
| [23:03:12] | Arch_NME: | I'm specifically hoping to find one that will be able to control the motor on my dish |
| [23:03:46] | Arch_NME: | actually I'm not even sure if that's possible through mythtv/linux |
| [23:03:55] | justinh: | dont they all do that? diseqc (spelling?) |
| [23:04:06] | justinh: | yes it is :-) |
| [23:04:12] | Arch_NME: | oh ok cool |
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| [23:04:20] | justinh: | there's even a wiki page about how to set it up |
| [23:04:49] | Arch_NME: | idk, I currently have an independant box for my sat, never used tuner card with it before |
| [23:04:50] | justinh: | but if you thought mythtv had long channel change times before, wait til you have to wait for a dish to steer LOL |
| [23:05:04] | Arch_NME: | heh, yeah, I'm used to it |
| [23:05:47] | justinh: | I think even the very cheapest of dvb-s tuners would work with diseqc or whatever it's called |
| [23:05:52] | Arch_NME: | there is really only two birds that I switch between regularly |
| [23:06:00] | Arch_NME: | ok cool, good to hear |
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| [23:06:37] | Arch_NME: | I feel better hearing it from someone in the know before I lay down the coin to order all this stuff |
| [23:06:42] | Arch_NME: | you've been a great help |
| [23:06:50] | justinh: | look in the linuxtv wiki for dvb-s tuners which are supported by linux |
| [23:06:55] | justinh: | i.e. linuxtv.org |
| [23:07:00] | Arch_NME: | ok |
| [23:07:07] | justinh: | not many usb or pci-e ones |
| [23:07:25] | Arch_NME: | yeah that's what I'm looking for is pci-e |
| [23:07:30] | justinh: | though the wiki isn't always as up to date as it could be. googling pays off in that regard |
| [23:07:55] | Arch_NME: | http://www.buydvb.net/tbs6981-pcie-dvbs2-dual . . . ard_p11.html |
| [23:08:12] | Arch_NME: | well I was going to buy that tuner cus it specifically says mythtv |
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| [23:08:37] | justinh: | do your internets research to back up their claims is what I specifically say |
| [23:09:13] | Arch_NME: | yeah |
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| [23:09:25] | darkstarbyte_: | Is there a way to get mythtv to make cutlists for videos outside of the ones recorded? |
| [23:09:41] | justinh: | darkstarbyte_: not currently, AFAIK |
| [23:10:11] | ** justinh goes to bed. long horrible day ** | |
| [23:10:49] | darkstarbyte_: | ok, sorry. |
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