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| [00:44:06] | Oleg_: | the commercial auto-skip doesn't work for those recordings that are still in progress? |
| [00:48:31] | [R]: | Oleg_: if you tell it to start commflag when the recording stops, and you wait long enough |
| [00:48:32] | [R]: | itdoes |
| [00:48:40] | [R]: | obviously if you are watching live, its not gonna work |
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| [00:54:36] | skd5aner: | is it mean that I laughed when I read this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/530012 |
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| [06:56:49] | dekarl: | I'm surprised to see there is no option for "make the nyxboard just work mythically" in neither Mythbuntu nor Minimyth... But hey, you can always use the keyboard side "p" for play/pause, right? ^^ |
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| [11:19:13] | justinh: | well, my two MCE remote kits came. man, getting lirc going has never been easier. apt-get install lirc, choose the Windows MCE option... run irw... whee all the buttons just work! |
| [11:19:42] | justinh: | and this is one of those things which initially – before lirc – looks like a USB HID |
| [11:20:25] | justinh: | haven't tried IR blasting yet.. that might be interesting.. as should trying to learn remotes. I've never been sure if that would even work with one of these things |
| [11:21:01] | justinh: | I still suspect it'll only receive IR codes from an MCE remote, but it'll be interesting to find out |
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| [11:25:12] | justinh: | haha it works with one of the company's own brand remotes which definitely doesn't send MCE codes |
| [11:25:15] | justinh: | sweeeeet |
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| [11:28:33] | k-man: | mythfilldatabase is complaining that: tv_grab_au --capabilities failed or we timed out waiting. You may need to upgrade your xmltv grabber |
| [11:28:56] | k-man: | could that prevent data getting into mythtv? |
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| [11:47:08] | k-man: | justinh, what kits did you get? |
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| [11:54:40] | stuartm: | k-man: yes, we need the response of --capabilities |
| [11:54:53] | stuartm: | k-man: have you trying running it from the command line? |
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| [12:06:13] | justinh: | k-man: twas the 'HP MCE remote kit' |
| [12:06:46] | justinh: | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-Media-MCE-KIT-Re . . . em1e62f4ea0d |
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| [12:20:48] | justinh: | good grief! irrecord now insists on you naming buttons with their convention? Great idea, but inconvenient for me |
| [12:25:20] | justinh: | hmm maybe irrecord doesn't work with non-MCE remotes |
| [12:25:29] | justinh: | oh well. good to know |
| [12:26:05] | justinh: | I'll always have my homebrewed receiver for irrecord.. so long as I always have serial port working |
| [12:28:08] | justinh: | hahah raspbeery pi RAM doubled. so my network audio player will have WAY too much RAM. If it ever arrives |
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| [12:34:03] | Peitolm: | well, myth should fit in 512MB shouldn't it *ducks* |
| [12:35:25] | justinh: | not with one of MY themes. Remember blootube-wide? MUHAHAHAHAHA |
| [12:36:59] | justinh: | course, one could probably do away with a lot of the RAM required to run any media centre type app 'simply' by rendering full screens at a time without ever caching screen components in RAM first... but slow? Heh |
| [12:38:15] | justinh: | memory to memory copies will be faster than disk to memory by a good margin for quite some time to come, I'd bet |
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| [12:50:47] | k-man: | stuartm, i hate it when this happens, but i rebooted and I think its filling the db now |
| [12:52:55] | justinh: | oh. irrecord DOES work after all. I remember having trouble learning this remote before going to LRL many moons ago# |
| [12:53:18] | k-man: | justinh, looks like a cool kit |
| [12:53:27] | k-man: | i have the same receiver i bought at a garage sale |
| [12:53:39] | k-man: | with a different remot – but I've not commissioned it yet |
| [12:55:27] | justinh: | I thought the remote would be a lot crapper than it turned out to be |
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| [12:55:47] | justinh: | I'm not saying I'd use it at home, but it's not all that bad |
| [12:56:17] | justinh: | the irony of this all is that I bought the kit so I can stop using an IR remote at all :-D |
| [12:57:15] | justinh: | I could buy an expensive 'thing' to put in my livingroom & use a smartphone app.. or I could use my always on mythbackend box to do the blastering instead |
| [12:57:51] | justinh: | anyhoo.. better get back to work. brown stuff is hitting a whirly thing |
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| [14:47:19] | netw1z: | is there a easy way to redo the mythtv database scheme without a new install? |
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| [16:08:26] | Hoochster: | Having an issue with LiveTV on an HDHR Prime with 0.26, although believe this started on 0.25 fixes but not sure which update, and didn't have time to troubleshoot till now. |
| [16:08:53] | Hoochster: | Can switch to LiveTV no problem, but when I try and change to any channel thereafter, I get a drop to menu and an error opening jump program file buffer. |
| [16:09:28] | Hoochster: | Recordings seem to work just fine, so it seems to only occur on the Frontend, and having the problem on any frontend. Tried killing the database and redoing everything, and still have the issue, mind you I restored recordings on the new database. |
| [16:09:56] | Hoochster: | Backend Log: http://pastebin.com/NTB1JFEF Frontend Log: http://pastebin.com/8Ju8V4rV |
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| [17:55:23] | dekarl: | stuartm: tv_grab_au == shepherd, might be doing its full cycle and timing out instead of returning quickly... |
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| [17:57:34] | stuartm: | yeah, it should return immediately for a capabilities query, but this being shepherd ... |
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| [18:46:01] | Froward: | I'm looking to capture video from my Hauppage HD PVR, for purposes of video editing (not watching TV shows) |
| [18:46:19] | Froward: | their website links mythtv, but a friend insists that VLC is the best way to capture.. |
| [18:46:54] | Froward: | any input on this? |
| [18:47:00] | Froward: | I'm going to do a little video editing, and exporting |
| [18:47:22] | Froward: | I don't have any linux editing software yet, or I'd prioritize whichever plays most friendly with the edit software |
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| [19:03:06] | sphery: | Froward (if you ever come back): MythTV is ideal for recording scheduled broadcasts of TV shows based on listings data. For other recording--such as "one off" recordings of video output from a game console, or video camera's Component outputs--you'd be better off with something other than MythTV (such as VLC or--if it works with the HD-PVR--even cat/dd). |
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| [19:30:20] | wizbit: | has dropped mythconverg; |
| [19:30:25] | wizbit: | its time to start fresh with .26 |
| [19:30:28] | wizbit: | no more tvwish |
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| [19:41:12] | trumee: | mythwelcome in 0.25 doesnt start mythfrontend and there is nothing in the log which hints this, http://pastie.org/5063878 |
| [19:41:25] | trumee: | is this a known issue? |
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| [19:51:32] | Scopeuk: | hi all i'm having trouble with EIT data on dvb in the uk, i've recently retuned the box from scratch using a channels.conf, i fixed the network id and sys standard fields in teh database and have rescanned on full which updated most of my channels but i'm getting no listings |
| [19:52:00] | Scopeuk: | listings also don't seam to populate if I go to a channel using mythfront end |
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| [19:53:58] | trumee: | Scopeuk: i wonder if there is any way of dumping the listings to a text file per channel to see what is coming |
| [19:54:15] | SIFTU: | i all, I'm looking to add a usb tuner to my pogoplug for a mythtv backend. I get QAM signals on my cable. Anyone know of a USB tuner which uses very little CPU? |
| [19:54:18] | trumee: | Scopeuk: since i dont get listings for some channels (dvb-s) |
| [19:54:21] | Scopeuk: | it seams all teh eit data is in my database, its more tha na little strange |
| [19:54:48] | Scopeuk: | jsut had another look at the dtv_multiplex table and it looks like systandard and network have been reset again on a rescan, have just updated them again |
| [19:56:29] | stuartm: | Scopeuk: using a channels.conf file in the UK is unnecessary and is probably at the heart of the problem |
| [19:56:32] | trumee: | looks like there is a windoz program to do that, http://sourceforge.net/projects/epgcollector/ |
| [19:56:56] | Scopeuk: | stuartm: i appreciate it is the root cause but without it myth fails to find any channels using my tunner |
| [19:57:34] | Scopeuk: | i've done this before with .24 and .25 and have managed to fix the database and get it up and running, it doesent seam to work under .26 however |
| [19:59:06] | stuartm: | which tuner? |
| [20:00:05] | trumee: | ah, something for linux, http://bryars.eu/projects/tv_grab_dvb/ |
| [20:00:34] | Scopeuk: | stuartm: its an oldish usb dvb-t |
| [20:00:47] | Scopeuk: | its a low grade tunner however kaffine and w_scan seam quite happpy with it |
| [20:01:14] | stuartm: | trumee: you can only get EIT data for Freesat channels |
| [20:01:29] | Scopeuk: | ahh think playing with the database may finally have got me somewhere |
| [20:01:35] | Scopeuk: | stuartm: he's trying to help me |
| [20:02:02] | Scopeuk: | think i miss fixed the database this time and did mod sys instead of sys standard |
| [20:02:37] | stuartm: | (<trumee> Scopeuk: since i dont get listings for some channels (dvb-s)) – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_channels_on_Freesat |
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| [20:03:27] | stuartm: | Scopeuk: well it sounds like a driver bug if it just won't scan at all with MythTV, but we'd need more information |
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| [20:04:09] | Scopeuk: | stuartm: it will perform a scan but if its cold it wont find any channels |
| [20:04:19] | Scopeuk: | onces its been tuned once externally it will work fine |
| [20:04:52] | stuartm: | Scopeuk: ok, definitely a driver bug then, you might mention that over in #linuxtv, maybe someone there willing to investigate and fix the driver |
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| [20:05:43] | Scopeuk: | by copld i mean not yet tunned in myth, I have brought the system up tunned it with kaffine then fired up myth and the channel scanner comes up empty |
| [20:07:13] | Scopeuk: | after havving foud na full set using kaffine |
| [20:07:33] | louisdk: | I'm trying to enable my backend to allow external connections via mysql, but I get some strange errors. Output: http://pastebin.com/BqCR6fkV |
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| [20:08:40] | Scopeuk: | thanks for your time stuartm it was helpful |
| [20:10:13] | stuartm: | Scopeuk: still a driver bug, and it really would be great if you could file a bug against the kernel or at the very least mention it in #linuxtv, that way everyone affected gets the problem fixed |
| [20:11:07] | Scopeuk: | its been an issue for a long time but i'd always put it down to the channel scanner rather than the driver itself |
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| [20:17:56] | Scopeuk: | stuartm: for completeness sake, #linuxtv referenced a patch http://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/13563/ and have advised this is to be rolled in later |
| [20:18:02] | Scopeuk: | once again thanks for the help |
| [20:21:45] | stuartm: | Scopeuk: good to know they've already got a fix in the works |
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| [20:25:27] | trumee: | i am trying to tune into a channel and getting the following http://pastie.org/5064091 |
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| [20:25:51] | trumee: | does it mean that the channel is not available. I scanned the channels only yesterday |
| [20:27:19] | stuartm: | trumee: what version is that? |
| [20:27:39] | trumee: | stuartm: 0.25 |
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| [20:29:02] | trumee: | stuartm: channel "UMP Movies", number 308 at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_channels_on_Freesat |
| [20:29:24] | stuartm: | trumee: I assume it's failing to tune the channel? It appears that the channel you are trying to tune (UMP Stars) goes completely offline during part of the day |
| [20:29:59] | trumee: | stuartm: i can see the EPG info though for this channel? |
| [20:30:01] | stuartm: | as of this morning it was identifying itself as UMP Stars ... not movies |
| [20:30:11] | stuartm: | trumee: interesting, give me a minute |
| [20:30:24] | trumee: | stuartm: i have another channel as "UMP Stars" too |
| [20:30:41] | trumee: | stuartm: and it doesnt work either |
| [20:32:10] | stuartm: | trumee: I can tune it here, looks like it's moved since you last scanned, I rescanned just this morning and the channel with that service id (51040) is UMP Stars now |
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| [20:32:44] | stuartm: | current program is "Live my Life" according to the EIT |
| [20:32:48] | stuartm: | programme |
| [20:33:54] | stuartm: | frequency: 11661540 |
| [20:34:09] | stuartm: | transportid: 2411 |
| [20:34:27] | trumee: | stuartm: on "UMP Movies" i have in EIT programme "Chal Mere Bhai" |
| [20:34:37] | trumee: | and no EIT for UMP Stars |
| [20:35:26] | stuartm: | trumee: yeah, appears they've switched them around, UMP Movies is now 51037 |
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| [20:35:41] | stuartm: | on the same transport (frequency) |
| [20:35:49] | trumee: | stuartm: 51037 is what i have for UMP Movies here too |
| [20:36:02] | trumee: | stuartm: are you able to tune into that? |
| [20:36:34] | stuartm: | trumee: the log you posted said it was looking for 51040 |
| [20:37:00] | stuartm: | trumee: yeah, I can tune that too |
| [20:37:26] | trumee: | stuartm: 51040 is for "UMP Stars" here. sorry i mixed up |
| [20:37:49] | trumee: | stuartm: so you get video for 51037/UMP Movies? |
| [20:37:54] | stuartm: | yes |
| [20:38:29] | trumee: | hmm, so why dont i get video here. |
| [20:38:52] | stuartm: | what frequency/transportid do you have for those two? (You'll need to cross-reference the mplexid against the dtv_multiplex table) |
| [20:39:07] | stuartm: | it should be the same for both, and what I posted above |
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| [20:40:24] | stuartm: | SELECT frequency, transportid FROM dtv_multiplex m, channel c WHERE m.mplexid=c.mplexid AND c.name LIKE 'UMP%'; |
| [20:41:20] | ** stuartm isn't a bollywood fan ** | |
| [20:41:28] | trumee: | stuartm: http://pastie.org/5064171 |
| [20:43:10] | stuartm: | trumee: ok that's correct, maybe another aspect of the tuning data then ... SELECT m.* FROM dtv_multiplex m, channel c WHERE m.mplexid=c.mplexid AND c.name LIKE 'UMP%' LIMIT 1\G; |
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| [20:43:59] | trumee: | stuartm: http://pastie.org/5064183 |
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| [20:45:03] | stuartm: | that's all correct ... very strange |
| [20:45:21] | trumee: | stuartm: guess i should try tuning using mplayer |
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| [20:45:28] | stuartm: | trumee: and it never works no matter how many times you try? |
| [20:45:43] | trumee: | stuartm: no just a blank picture. |
| [20:46:29] | stuartm: | trumee: yeah, it's possible that it's signal quality or hardware related, it's not unknown – I had one multiplex of channels that just refused to tune on my first DVB-S card, bought a new card and everything worked fine |
| [20:46:54] | stuartm: | trumee: try CCTV, that's in the same group |
| [20:47:15] | trumee: | stuartm: i have TBS 6981 dual tuner card |
| [20:47:48] | stuartm: | http://pastebin.com/MUCFb2jM |
| [20:47:48] | trumee: | stuartm: ok CCTV News is blank too |
| [20:49:01] | stuartm: | if none of those tune but others on DVB-S do work, then I'd suspect that the signal strength/quality on that frequency is too low, but by all means try kaffeine or something to be sure |
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| [20:49:48] | trumee: | stuartm: you nailed it. all of those dont work. i am going to try with mplayer |
| [20:52:13] | Bummed: | anyone have any data on how much horse power is needed to suppport HDHome Duals on a network ? |
| [20:52:55] | trumee: | stuartm: btw what card do you use? |
| [20:53:19] | ** Bummed is trying to figure out if he has a powerful enough machine or needs to get a new toy :-) ** | |
| [20:54:04] | stuartm: | trumee: I have a Tevii S464 in this machine, and a Hauppauge Nova-S in another (only the first is DVB-S2) |
| [20:54:29] | trumee: | stuartm: cheers |
| [20:55:45] | stuartm: | Bummed: HDHomeRuns spit out mpeg2 (in US anyway) so the machine doing the actual recording needs very little horsepower |
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| [20:57:02] | stuartm: | we demo'd a dozen or so simultaneous DVB-T recordings on a 1Ghz Duron back in 2007 |
| [20:59:32] | stuartm: | disk I/O is a greater concern, but spread it across a couple of disks and you'll be fine |
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| [21:02:28] | stuartm: | some people have reported problems with disk I/O lately, but it seems they all run more complicated RAID based setups that seem to have hurt performance instead of helping, my machines all use 5400rpm drives, run stock configs, tried and tested filesystems (xfs) and no raid – I've never had performance issues even when recording 6 or 7 things at once |
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| [21:05:03] | Bummed: | at most I'll be recording 2 streeam and on rare occasions 3 (primary work laptop has a tuner in it) |
| [21:06:01] | Bummed: | unfortunately, I don't have multiple disks to spread it out to .. without passing through a machine to get to the NAS drive |
| [21:06:49] | justinh: | stuartm: nor me. The ancient system I used to test multirec with a 10 recordings per tuner hack was just fine. The only real load was the scheduler causing regular spikes of 50% when it pulled in EIT updates |
| [21:07:19] | stuartm: | Bummed: 2/3 on one disk is fine |
| [21:08:00] | justinh: | I wish I could find out WTH is going on with upstart STILL respawning mythbackend when it's still fricking running. That's annoying. Doesn't happen too often thankfully |
| [21:08:18] | Bummed: | anyone know is it a function of the graphics card if say the native screen is 1366x768 and I can't get the hdmi output at anything higher ? |
| [21:08:32] | justinh: | possibly the display LYING |
| [21:09:02] | justinh: | you might have to work around it with xorg config-fu |
| [21:09:13] | Bummed: | tv does 1920x1080, but haven't figured out how to get that through the hdmi |
| [21:09:34] | justinh: | graphics card, via the driver & X gets a list of supported resolutions through EDID... |
| [21:09:49] | justinh: | so if the display doesn't correctly state all the modes it supports... |
| [21:10:22] | trumee: | stuartm: dvbscan -x0 /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Astra-28.2E failed to show the UMP channel! |
| [21:10:35] | Bummed: | and I'm guessing there is no way to force the additional mode ? |
| [21:10:50] | justinh: | Bummed: of course there is. xorg config-fu |
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| [21:15:41] | kormoc: | The FCC is now allowing cable companies to encrypt free OTA channels that they also rebroadcast over their networks. http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/15/3506030/fc . . . -open-access |
| [21:16:57] | Bummed: | justinh .. the be black magic :-) |
| [21:17:44] | ** wizbit upgrades to .26 ** | |
| [21:18:28] | wizbit: | <php echo "hopefully mythweb will work with php5.4 after upgrade" ?> |
| [21:20:54] | trumee: | tv_grab_dvb only lists the current EPG and not all the EPG :( |
| [21:23:23] | devinheitmueller: | kormoc: does anybody actually have the technical details regarding the deal they worked out with Boxee to get the content over IP? |
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| [21:25:58] | kormoc: | devinheitmueller, not that I know of |
| [21:26:07] | devinheitmueller: | strange. |
| [21:26:20] | devinheitmueller: | I would think the agreed upon spec would have to be published somewhere. |
| [21:26:26] | kormoc: | wizbit, syntax error on line 1. Found '?', expected ';' |
| [21:26:59] | kormoc: | ooh, two syntax errors, missing the ? in the front <?php tag |
| [21:29:44] | Hoochster: | re-asking since more devs are around, sorry for the spam. |
| [21:29:45] | Hoochster: | <Hoochster> Having an issue with LiveTV on an HDHR Prime with 0.26, although believe this started on 0.25 fixes but not sure which update, and didn't have time to troubleshoot till now. |
| [21:29:45] | Hoochster: | <Hoochster> Can switch to LiveTV no problem, but when I try and change to any channel thereafter, I get a drop to menu and an error opening jump program file buffer. |
| [21:29:54] | Hoochster: | <Hoochster> Recordings seem to work just fine, so it seems to only occur on the Frontend, and having the problem on any frontend. Tried killing the database and redoing everything, and still have the issue, mind you I restored recordings on the new database. |
| [21:29:54] | Hoochster: | <Hoochster> Backend Log: http://pastebin.com/NTB1JFEF Frontend Log: http://pastebin.com/8Ju8V4rV |
| [21:35:40] | wizbit: | nothing beats a fresh backend :) |
| [21:36:00] | wizbit: | this is the first time ive created a new mythconverg for ages |
| [21:36:34] | ** wizbit watches all the channels fill up with data ** | |
| [21:37:02] | Hoochster: | that's the prob though I was hopeful that would fix it heh but that didn't, so not sure what I am missing unless something in the recorded stuff is screwing up the db, that will be my next test maybe later tonight |
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| [21:45:33] | justinh: | kormoc: saw that on the -users ML. So will there likely be any ramifications for CC users? |
| [21:45:44] | kormoc: | justinh, nah |
| [21:47:31] | justinh: | cool then :-) |
| [21:47:47] | justinh: | now y'all can be much more like us Europeans! |
| [21:48:09] | justinh: | nothing free over the cable, ever |
| [21:49:18] | stuartm: | unless you're in Germany |
| [21:49:52] | justinh: | really? I thought that encryption for cable was basically born over there |
| [21:50:23] | ** justinh goes to look at the mythbackend upstart script ** | |
| [21:50:46] | stuartm: | I don't know much about it, only that Janne used to test some of the DVB code against DVB-C and did get some channels in the clear |
| [21:51:14] | stuartm: | maybe that's no longer the case or maybe he just happened to live in the one place it was possible |
| [21:51:17] | ** stuartm shrugs ** | |
| [21:53:13] | stuartm: | the appeal of cable for internet is diminishing over here, I now have the option of FTTC, and while I don't like BT they are offering a much better upload (and download) than I'm getting right now from Virgin |
| [21:55:00] | stuartm: | Virgin don't really seem that serious about improving their infrastructure, they apparently have no interesting in moving to FTTH and keeping on step ahead of BT, their TV offering is just about competitive with Sky on choice but the picture quality seems to get worse by the day |
| [21:55:01] | justinh: | I'm gonna have to go down the FTTC route when we move anyway, likely |
| [21:55:05] | justinh: | I mean IF we move |
| [21:55:31] | justinh: | stuartm: I find the ondemand stuff is great. I dunno what they do |
| [21:55:57] | justinh: | but as for the live content.. AFAIK they recompress feeds from Sky |
| [21:56:05] | stuartm: | proper ondemand is the one thing that sets cable apart from Sky |
| [21:57:01] | stuartm: | and still a very big plus in the list of pros and cons |
| [21:57:39] | justinh: | aye |
| [21:57:48] | justinh: | and the simple fact it's not Sky (for me) |
| [21:58:12] | mzb_ is now known as mzb | |
| [21:58:17] | stuartm: | I even feel some loyalty to Virgin, but they just don't seem very serious about competing and if they aren't going to fight to keep customers then ... |
| [21:58:43] | justinh: | competing costs serious money though.. infrastructure upgrades.. |
| [21:59:00] | justinh: | though apparently a lot of the UK's backhaul is done over VM fibre |
| [21:59:36] | justinh: | stuartm: we've rang em up twice to see about a service downgrade – but we're already on the lowest tarrifs for everything.. so they knock money off! |
| [22:00:08] | stuartm: | this whole 'we doubling your speed' – I was supposed to get that in August, it's now been pushed to January, however since then they've made their minimum package 30 Mbps at the same price I'm paying for just 10Mbps, even when I get this free upgrade to 20Mbps I'll still be getting an inferior product |
| [22:00:57] | justinh: | stuartm: Sky do existing customers over too. So do BT :-) |
| [22:01:13] | justinh: | and insurance companies.. and... and... |
| [22:01:50] | justinh: | you might get some mileage in giving them a ring & explaining you're less than perfectly happy about it |
| [22:02:05] | stuartm: | justinh: manage to get them to readjust the price I was paying a few months ago, but only because I pointed out that as a new customer (at normal, not discounted rates) I'd be paying less – took a few calls before they finally agreed to bring what I was paying in line with what they actually advertised |
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| [22:03:17] | justinh: | ooh, apparently VM don't recompress content delivered to them over ordinary feeds from satellite. So if it looks crap on VM it'll likely look as bad on satellite |
| [22:03:23] | stuartm: | justinh: I intend to complain, but I'm just waiting until I can deal with the aggravation |
| [22:03:54] | justinh: | heh. I know what you mean |
| [22:04:01] | stuartm: | I might get lucky and the first person I speak to actually knows what they are doing, but then again I might not – it's a bit of a lottery |
| [22:04:46] | justinh: | never had much trouble in that department personally |
| [22:05:07] | justinh: | the CS droids all tend to go through a script, but then so do I :-D |
| [22:05:12] | stuartm: | justinh: that's definitely not the case, I get the Freesat channels so I can do a direct comparison, BBC HD etc looks miles better via the Myth box than the picture their V HD STB produces |
| [22:05:21] | justinh: | "Yes, I've switched everything off & waited 10 minutes.." |
| [22:05:47] | justinh: | stuartm: maybe not in all cases, but for paid-for content it likely will be |
| [22:06:06] | justinh: | wonder what their TiVo thing is really like |
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| [22:06:19] | justinh: | I mean, if we had to do without mythtv, could I stomach tivo? I somehow doubt it |
| [22:06:47] | justinh: | I'd turn those darn noises off, for one thing |
| [22:07:02] | justinh: | beep boop |
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| [22:08:11] | stuartm: | nothing on TV tonight ... nothing at all |
| [22:08:38] | wizbit: | grrrrr next time i wipe mythtv make sure i write down my x & y picture settings and audio settings |
| [22:09:05] | justinh: | gah. What IS it with windows 7 firewall? If it's off, download speed is crap so I enable it.. wheee it goes all whizzy.. but if it's on, download speed can go crap so I turn it off, and then WHEEEEEEEEE all fast again :-\ |
| [22:09:32] | wizbit: | im a idiot |
| [22:09:43] | wizbit: | audio was working, my tv was on mute |
| [22:09:47] | justinh: | meh. I've been living with Linux on my work desktop for ages now.. think it could be time to try linux at home properly |
| [22:10:38] | wizbit: | excellent a fresh .26 |
| [22:13:08] | justinh: | can't remember what a fresh database feels like. probably a lot more sprightly than mine |
| [22:13:24] | wizbit: | tvwish polluted mine |
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| [22:13:59] | justinh: | well, that was always quite a big hacky hackish hack |
| [22:14:04] | Froward: | Alright, super cool program you guys have here. |
| [22:14:17] | Froward: | But I really want to use mythTV's capture abilities to pull video off my camera. Is that possible? |
| [22:14:30] | Froward: | Maybe I should chat at the devs. |
| [22:15:04] | justinh: | you should probably chat to somebody about using a different program. in all seriousness |
| [22:15:09] | Froward: | okay |
| [22:15:21] | justinh: | if it's for surveillance, use zoneminder |
| [22:15:21] | Froward: | it's just that this is the program linked from my PVR maker's website |
| [22:16:49] | justinh: | as a basic thing to record videos off of a camera, mythtv would be *way* too complex a program to use. It's really mostly about recording scheduled TV, storing & playing it back.. and videos etc |
| [22:17:43] | justinh: | reminds me.. I've still not replaced my CCTV DVR's PSU since the original one went BANG |
| [22:17:51] | Froward: | well, thanks :) |
| [22:17:58] | justinh: | fat lot of use PAL recorded images for surveillance are anyway |
| [22:18:03] | stuartm: | [15/10/2012 20:03:06] <sphery> Froward (if you ever come back): MythTV is ideal for recording scheduled broadcasts of TV shows based on listings data. For other recording--such as "one off" recordings of video output from a game console, or video camera's Component outputs--you'd be better off with something other than MythTV (such as VLC or--if it works with the HD-PVR--even cat/dd). |
| [22:18:15] | justinh: | need MOARPIXELS |
| [22:18:30] | Froward: | stuartm, sphery: Thanks :) sorry I didn't lurk long enough for the answer! |
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| [22:19:07] | wizbit: | mythweb is doing that strange thing when it will not delete channels :( |
| [22:19:18] | justinh: | wizbit: just hide em |
| [22:19:35] | wizbit: | ok |
| [22:19:40] | Froward: | can mythTV be controlled entirely by command line? |
| [22:19:47] | justinh: | gah that reminds me of another thing I was gonna do.. i.e. hide hidden channel content from the program finder |
| [22:19:50] | stuartm: | users of MythTV with the HD-PVR connect it to their cable/satellite boxes etc and use it to record programmes from there, like a Tivo but more powerful |
| [22:19:53] | justinh: | Froward: no |
| [22:21:39] | stuartm: | not entirely no, there's a command line telnet interface but it's not really viable as a method of complete control |
| [22:22:14] | justinh: | certainly for setting it all up, it's all GUI, baby |
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| [22:24:49] | justinh: | isn't the HDPVR another one of those things you can just cat into a file, anyway? |
| [22:24:53] | stuartm: | yep, there are some command line tools, but those are mostly for maintenance or manual intervention where required |
| [22:25:22] | justinh: | and if you want to watch as you capture, just tee the stream into a player? |
| [22:25:38] | stuartm: | there is web UI, an existing one based on apache/php and one being worked on now that is built in so no need for a separate web-server or interpreter but the present one doesn't allow full configuration and the new one isn't finished |
| [22:25:44] | Froward: | well that would be the hacker way I guess |
| [22:26:17] | Froward: | I am now finding that video capture is a common feature of industrial strength video edit software. |
| [22:26:50] | justinh: | Froward: most capture packages are somewhat limited in the kind of formats they can capture, and in the kind of hardware they support |
| [22:27:06] | Froward: | I see |
| [22:27:08] | stuartm: | and besides, it's all moot because MythTV just doesn't support simple device > file capture, it's just not built to do that since there's pre-existing software which does that simple job very well |
| [22:28:04] | justinh: | doesn't Hauppauge ship a windows capturing program with the thing? Just use that. If you have windows lying around somewhere |
| [22:28:28] | justinh: | Oh yeah. video editing. That's why I can't yet use linux on my laptop |
| [22:28:30] | Froward: | I do :< |
| [22:28:34] | Froward: | LiVES looks promising for my purposes. |
| [22:28:37] | stuartm: | vlc is what I'd use if I just wanted to say copy some old videos to DVD or whatever |
| [22:28:55] | justinh: | didn't realise VLC could record video. re-encode yeah but not capture |
| [22:29:39] | stuartm: | justinh: yeah it can capture, used it in the past with webcams etc |
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| [22:30:02] | stuartm: | if they needed editing, that's a different matter, although you can always do the editing after capture |
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| [22:35:20] | EvilGuru: | Can anyone suggest a good PCIe Dual DVB-S2 card? |
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| [22:35:57] | EvilGuru: | I currently have an Nova-S2 but it is only single and is regular PCI |
| [22:36:04] | Froward: | what OS? |
| [22:36:50] | EvilGuru: | Froward: Ubuntu, so Linux |
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| [22:37:49] | pyther: | Is there anyway to easily see what QUERY_TIME_ZONE returns (using the myth protocol) |
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| [23:31:14] | justinh: | why would you need to do it over the myth protocol? |
| [23:31:32] | justinh: | all myth system components are intended to be in the same TZ anyway |
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| [23:31:59] | justinh: | or if you're away, you're more concerned about what time it is where the backend is wheen it comes to mythtv operations, surely |
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| [23:33:57] | stuartm: | justinh: we query the time zone to ensure that all components _are_ in the same timezone |
| [23:34:31] | stuartm: | I assume pyther is wanting to debug and see what a backend is actually reporting |
| [23:35:10] | justinh: | ah |
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| [23:35:53] | justinh: | I remember what used to happen if a frontend & backend weren't in the same TZ... nasty |
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| [23:43:25] | oops1: | Anyone able to tell me how to force mythbackend to wait for my network to finish initializing so my HDHR is present on boot? I already have the HDHR hooked up with its own network port and static IP, but I don't think it's ready in time for mythbackend. I'm on Mythbuntu 12.04 with 0.26 (same happening on 0.26) |
| [23:43:58] | oops1: | The Wiki's answer to wait for certain services/devices to finish initializing is a little beyond my comprehension. |
| [23:46:11] | justinh: | mythbuntu's upstart job *does* wait for networking to start |
| [23:46:47] | justinh: | the script has "start on (local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE=lo)" inside :-) |
| [23:47:05] | oops1: | justinh: Does it wait for both networks to start? I have the HDHR connected to a separate port so I don't need to mess with the router in another location away from the cable outlet |
| [23:47:06] | justinh: | which is fine if your ethernet is on that interface |
| [23:47:33] | oops1: | Ah, so I could change to eth1, or whatever interface it's connected to |
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| [23:48:28] | justinh: | there's likely a way to make that say AND net-device-up IFACE=eth1 or whatever |
| [23:49:51] | justinh: | you should really ask in #mythbuntu though |
| [23:49:52] | oops1: | made the change: "start on (local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE!=lo and and net-device-up IFACE!=eth1 and started udev-finish)" |
| [23:50:19] | justinh: | doesn't that mean NOT equal though? |
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| [23:50:28] | justinh: | so that won't be waiting |
| [23:50:48] | oops1: | ==eth1 instead? |
| [23:50:55] | justinh: | just = I think |
| [23:51:28] | oops1: | I'll give it a shot both ways. If it's still not working, I'll be back later and/or check #mythbuntu |
| [23:51:30] | oops1: | Thanks! |
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| [23:51:53] | jm|laptop: | IReboot: regarding programme cutting frame accuracy, it's interesting to note that for 50Hz / 25fps you never require greater than two decimal places\ |
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