Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, October 6th, 2012, 00:02 UTC

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ryebrye:

Anyone having any luck building OS X 0.26 mythtv? I'm on OS 10.7 and it's having issues building with clang

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ryebrye:

although I guess the OS X command line tools had an update yesterday and I haven't tried building since then… I'll give it another shot and see if the clang crashes have been fixed

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ryebrye:

… no such luck. :(

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J-e-f-f-A:

Grr, according to VZ, my cablecard is activated, but nothing yet as far as the Ceton status page...

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mpet666:

Chanserv topic needs to be updated for 0.26

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J-e-f-f-A:

It does? It says 0.26.0 is the stable release on my client...

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wagnerrp:

chanserv, not channel

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wagnerrp:

when you log in, chanserv announces its own thing

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J-e-f-f-A:

ah, oops.

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** J-e-f-f-A goes back to waiting impatiently for his Ceton tuner to pair with his CC.... **

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mpet666:

Got Your cc?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yep. Drove out to VZ and picket it up today since the Ceton came in a day early. ;-)

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mpet666:

Revolutionary

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Sharky112065:

J-e-f-f-A: did you try powering down and booting back up?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sharky112065: Not yet... I'll give it about 10 more mins – as I just called to 'reactivate' it a few mins ago.

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Sharky112065:

J-e-f-f-A: the computer that has the ceton card

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ryebrye:

what advantages do the ceton tuners have over the hdhr prime?

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Sharky112065:

one extra channel

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J-e-f-f-A:

1 more tuner.

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Sharky112065:

tuner

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mpet666:

Took 5 mins with Comcast to activate mine on hdhr prime

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wagnerrp:

its internal, so you dont have an external box

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Sharky112065:

no external power supply to go bad...

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ryebrye:

It has 4 tuners with a single m-card?

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J-e-f-f-A:

yep

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Sharky112065:

if your switch/hub goes out ceton card still works

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wagnerrp:

mcards are good for up to six tuners

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J-e-f-f-A:

who has a HUB nowadays? ;-)

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mpet666:

Hubs are useful for network debugging

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Sharky112065:

lol I know a guy stuck 15 years in the past

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ryebrye:

Damn. I wonder why HDHR is holding out and making you do 2 mcards to get 6 tuners then

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J-e-f-f-A:

gah, I hate waiting. 5 more mins, then it's a shutdown/power off/power on reboot.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sharky112065: So are L3 switches when you mirror a port. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

because there is only the one HDHR, with three tuners

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wagnerrp:

an L3 switch is a router

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ceton is supposed to be releasing a 6-tuner model soon...

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mpet666:

I forgot my rasp pi at work damn.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yep. ;-)

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Sharky112065:

I will be buying two to replace my 4 tuner ones then :)

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wagnerrp:

ryebrye: the HDHRP3, the HDHRP6, and the DCR-2650 are all one piece of hardware

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wagnerrp:

for the HDHRP6, they strap two of them together

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ryebrye:

ok, makes sense

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wagnerrp:

for the -2650, they disable a tuner, and solder on a USB device port

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skd5aner:

bill6502: libuuid-dev appears to be a new pre-req... I was just trying to compile from source and realized I needed it (and didn't need it for 0.25) – http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/commit/?id . . . 662d09af3741

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wagnerrp:

but they're all the same piece of hardware

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skd5aner:

bill6502: might want to add to the release notes

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wagnerrp:

meaning SD only had to get one piece of hardware accepted

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J-e-f-f-A:

gah, I can't take it anymore... back in a few mins... ;-)

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Sharky112065:

lol

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Sharky112065:

woot mysql tzinfo updated so I can upgrade tomorrow

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ryebrye:

Are ceton's new?

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Sharky112065:

no

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skd5aner:

bill6502: er, uuid-dev in ubuntu/debian that is

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Sharky112065:

not really, I got mine over a year ago

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ryebrye:

Well, maybe I should have bought one of those a few months ago instead of the hdhr prime for the extra tuner… oh well.

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ryebrye:

the prime has worked pretty well – I have it located in the same utility room as my cable coming in the house and connected to my switch so it's got a really strong signal – so my backend doesn't have to have a cable running to it at all (except for an ethernet cable)

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ryebrye:

but… only 3 tuners :(

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mpet666:

I have low signal and the prime is fine

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mpet666:

Still have to keep pinging it becuase of the damn firmware bug that causes it to drop off network.

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J-e-f-f-A:

gah, no change... Card Authorization still says: "Not Validated, Binding Authentication Complete, Validation Message not received yet"

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Sharky112065:

I have 3 regular hdhomerun's not prime and have already had to replace two because the tuners seem to wear out some how.

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mpet666:

You sure it is the tuner?

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Sharky112065:

so im kinda soured against buying any more silicon dust products

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ryebrye:

I have a regular one, I should plug it in and see if I get any clear QAM channels to put it to use on

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Sharky112065:

yes checked the ps

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J-e-f-f-A:

And the pairing page still says "In order to start cable service for this device....."

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Sharky112065:

J-e-f-f-A: your cable provider probably screwed up something on the config.

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J-e-f-f-A:

I have two of the original Dual-tuner HDHR's for the last 4 years or so... no problems here.

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ryebrye:

when pairing my prime I had a bit of an issue… that was resolved by plugging it in to a cable jack

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ryebrye:

but prior to correcting my major pebcac, Comcast assured me they say my device

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J-e-f-f-A:

ryebrye: hehehe... it's plugged in. ;-) I took the connection off of one of the working STB's. ;-)

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ryebrye:

(which I thought was both funny at the time since the devices are passive – and even more funny after the fact)

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skd5aner:

Yea, I've had an HDHR for 5 years with no problems on 3 different cable providers

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skd5aner:

(over that time period)

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Sharky112065:

maybe I just had bad luck

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J-e-f-f-A:

skd5aner: I just use them for OTA – as there was nothing 'of value' on clear Quam for me...

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Sharky112065:

also two of my original hdhr's had the original power supplies that were bad and they sent me free replacements

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ryebrye:

the only issue I have now is the OS X build – is the os x build slave offline indefinitely?

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skd5aner:

or the cable company could be pushing an extremely overpowered signal or something

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skd5aner:

mine was really high, I had to use a splitter just to encourage a dB loss

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ryebrye:

that's a first world cable problem ;)

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Sharky112065:

I use the hdhr' duals for clear QAM recording of network channels and the Infinity's for non clear QAM

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Sharky112065:

J-e-f-f-A: I think you are gonna have to call your cable provider again

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Sharky112065:

anyway, im off to watch some more recordings. bbl

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gah, no landline phone near my server, and the cordless is dead... Cell phone isn't reliable enough to enter the touch-tones for the #s, so I'm on hold now for a rep... d'oh!

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ryebrye:

One of the few good things about comcast is they have an online chat you can use to do cable card activations

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ryebrye:

(and other tech support tasks)

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J-e-f-f-A:

ryebrye: Yeah, I did that for my card, but it didn't

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J-e-f-f-A:

...

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J-e-f-f-A:

... 'take' for some reason – on with a human right now.

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J-e-f-f-A:

[sorry about continuations – my full-size kb died, and I'm using a tiny keyboard now...]

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J-e-f-f-A:

My CC isn't activated yet with VZ... grr... they're working on correcting it now. (I picked it up 5 hrs ago at the VZ store)

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** J-e-f-f-A yells @ VZ – "Come on, hurry up, I want to use this thing!!!!" ;-) **

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J-e-f-f-A:

!trout Verizon Hurry Up!

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** MythLogBot slaps Verizon with a Hurry Up! trout on behalf of J-e-f-f-A... **

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, it shows Activated now...

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J-e-f-f-A:

let's see if Mythtv will use it now. ;-)

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monkeypet:

J-e-f-f-A: did you collapse yet?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Cablecard is activated, but things aren't working with Myth... seems I don't have a /dev/ceton directory... /me is googling...

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monkeypet:

wagnerrp: where are the instructions to optimize the db?

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wagnerrp:

would have to ask someone else for that

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wagnerrp:

personally, i just grabbed one of the sample configs and loaded that

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wagnerrp:

rather than the compiled in defaults

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monkeypet:

this was useless: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:My . . . O_bottleneck

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monkeypet:

it just said to move the db to another drive or reduce the channels.

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J-e-f-f-A:

monkeypet: do you run "optimize_mythdb.pl" ?

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** J-e-f-f-A runs it daily. **

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** J-e-f-f-A has >400 channels and lots of schedules. **

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monkeypet:

i haven't ran it in over a year.

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monkeypet:

does the upgrade process run it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

No, I don't believe so.

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monkeypet:

i don't need to stop mythbackend right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

nope.

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wagnerrp:

no one is planning on touching the mess that is database optimization until the database daemon is embedded into the master backend

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wagnerrp:

which by the way is one of the main reasons that idea was hatched in the first place

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J-e-f-f-A:

any ceton users here right now... I'm hitting a dead-end trying to figure out why my /dev/ceton branch doesn't exist... I can hit it via IP, but no devices. Humph.

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J-e-f-f-A:

I compiled the driver, installed it,and did the modprobe... /me scratches head..........

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bill6502:

skd5aner: libuuid (uuid-dev) added to Release Notes, thanks.

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

166 programs, using 503 GB (6 days 12 hrs 3 mins) out of 1.8 TB (1.2 TB free).

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mattwj2002:

:)

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sheppard:

14T/Storage/TV

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sheppard:

should be a space in there

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mattwj2002:

14TB

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mattwj2002:

moce

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mattwj2002:

*nice

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mattwj2002:

what size and how many drives?

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mattwj2002:

what configuration

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CaCtus491:

hi, I have an IP camera which exposed the video stream via RTSP via a URL: rtsp://192.168.15.9:8554/CH001.sdp This URL works fine from VLC, is it possible to add that url as a 'channel' in Myth?

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wagnerrp:

use zoneminder and the mythzoneminder plugin

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CaCtus491:

I see there is an option for a 'network recorded', but it is looking for a .m3u something something

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CaCtus491:

I was thinking of using the zoneminder plugin, but I'd like to be able to use it in PIP whilst watching something else

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wagnerrp:

just add that single stream as the single channel in an m3u

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CaCtus491:

ahh, ok

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** CaCtus491 goes to learn about what a m3u file should look like **

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mattwj2002:

166 programs, using 503 GB (6 days 12 hrs 3 mins) out of 1.8 TB (1.2 TB free). is way more programming then I'll look at anytime soon

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mattwj2002:

:)

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tgm4883:

sphery, what was the reasoning behind changing the format of config.xml

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sheppard:

mattwj2002: 3x 8x2TB drives

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sheppard:

raidz3

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wagnerrp:

i count 30TB of storage there

[03:53:24]

sheppard:

root@storage ~]# zpool list

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sheppard:

NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE CAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT

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sheppard:

Storage 43.5T 35.1T 8.44T 80% 1.00x ONLINE -

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wagnerrp:

so its only Z2

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sheppard:

no

[03:54:24]

sheppard:

z3

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wagnerrp:

triplicate parity?

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sheppard:

http://pastebin.com/PJzz27rf

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sheppard:

yep

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wagnerrp:

that should be three arrays, ~10TB each array

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wagnerrp:

not 35.1TB

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wagnerrp:

or am i reading that wrong...

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sheppard:

I was probably high when I made it

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that doesn't make sense

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sheppard:

it had damn well better be raidz3

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sheppard:

or HEADS BE ROLLING

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wagnerrp:

looks like SIZE is supposed to be the total available storage space, not including redundancy

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wagnerrp:

zroot 294G 216G 77.7G 73% 1.00x ONLINE -

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wagnerrp:

thats for a mirrored pair of 320GB drives

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tgm4883:

zpool status should show the zraid right?

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wagnerrp:

43.5TB doesnt look right

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sheppard:

how is this not an easy thing to do in zfs

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: not exactly...

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sheppard:

wonder if it's just raidz

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wagnerrp:

you have pools, and you have raid

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wagnerrp:

independent

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wagnerrp:

a volume is a collection of disks that can be mirrored, striped, given parity, etc...

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wagnerrp:

a pool is a collection of volumes that collectively appear as a single logical drie

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wagnerrp:

drive

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wagnerrp:

and then you dynamically partition the space in the pool

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, right, but doesn't 'zpool status' list all the drives in each of their zraid with what type of zraid it is?

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sheppard:

tgm4883: lists the drives, not what kind of raid it is

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wagnerrp:

ah, misunderstood what you meant

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wagnerrp:

yes it does, the type should be identified in the volume name

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wagnerrp:

zroot ONLINE 0 0 0

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wagnerrp:

mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0

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wagnerrp:

gpt/disk0 ONLINE 0 0 0

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wagnerrp:

gpt/disk1 ONLINE 0 0 0

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skd5aner:

what is the file name of the automatic db backups during upgrades?

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sheppard:

well

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wagnerrp:

should be the name of the database, and the schema version

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** skd5aner hoping he didn't corrupt his database unknowingly doing a dumb thing **

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sheppard:

in my pastebin it says raidz3

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sheppard:

so

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sheppard:

magic?

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sheppard:

and df -h says 28T

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wagnerrp:

stores to your DBBackups directory

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sheppard:

er

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sheppard:

27T

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wagnerrp:

or if you dont have one, one of your recording directories

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skd5aner:

yea, but if I knew the naming scheme I could just search for it

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sheppard:

wagnerrp: stop worrying me

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wagnerrp:

odd that it shows the total volume, rather than the available volume

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sheppard:

it's zfsonlinux

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sheppard:

I blame that

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: ah, found the naming scheme, thanks

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wagnerrp:

oh, this is zfsonfreebsd

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sheppard:

the project is actually called zfsonlinux :P

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wagnerrp:

df is going to be fairly screwy

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sheppard:

df reports properly

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sheppard:

it's zpool that doesn't

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wagnerrp:

not really

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tgm4883:

sheppard> Storage 43.5T 35.1T 8.44T 80% 1.00x ONLINE -

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tgm4883:

that makes sense to me

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wagnerrp:

it lists the space used by the current partition, plus the free space remaining in the pool

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tgm4883:

if it's talking about total disk space

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sheppard:

tgm4883: that's zpool list

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tgm4883:

and total used

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sheppard:

[root@storage ~]# zfs list

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sheppard:

NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT

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sheppard:

Storage 21.8T 4.82T 21.8T /Storage

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tgm4883:

sheppard, it's talking about bits on disks

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sheppard:

ah

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: that doesn't make sense, since the nine parity disks should not be included in the 43.5TB total size

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, I bet you they are

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sheppard:

they shouldn't be

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wagnerrp:

at least they aren't on a ZFS mirror

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wagnerrp:

ive not actually used RAID-Z

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tgm4883:

i've got a solaris (actually nexenta) box at work and at least for licensing it counts parity disks

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tgm4883:

I could ssh in right now and check

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sheppard:

well that makes sense

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wagnerrp:

maybe freebsd is the exception then?

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: I accidently launched mythbackend after the upgrade via the upsart script instead of the console... after about 60 seocnds, I remembered and naively stoped mythbackend...

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, sec, let me ssh in and look

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: when I launch it now at the cli, I just get a "waiting for database lock" or something like that

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skd5aner:

2012-10–05 23:57:55.929220 I Waiting for database schema upgrade lock

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skd5aner:

about once a sec...

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skd5aner:

should that ever end?

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wagnerrp:

not sure about that

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skd5aner:

I do not see an automated backup made where the others were made from previous upgrades

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skd5aner:

sphery: you around?

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skd5aner:

!seen sphery

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MythLogBot:

sphery is here and has been idle for 3 days 3 hours 13 minutes 34 seconds

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skd5aner:

F&&)(

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skd5aner:

I think I f'd up

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skd5aner:

luckily, I FOund the backup

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, hmm, apparently I can't ssh in there right now. You'll have to remind me to look on monday

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wagnerrp:

ugh

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wagnerrp:

i cant run a web browser unless my graphics card is half clocked

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wagnerrp:

try to figure that one out...

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tgm4883:

in the config.xml file for 0.26, does the mythtv convert it from the old version to the new version or is that something packagers need to do?

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wagnerrp:

all of mythtv's applications, as well as the python (and i think perl) bindings, will automatically convert it

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, the one at /etc/mythtv/config.xml?

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wagnerrp:

which ever one it finds and loads

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wagnerrp:

assuming it has write access to do so

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tgm4883:

hmm ok

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, I suppose it looks in the home dir first?

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wagnerrp:

at least in the python bindings, MYTHCONFDIR takes priority

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wagnerrp:

followed by HOME/.mythtv, UPnP, and then mythtv:mythtv on mythconverg@127.0.0.1

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CaCtus491:

so, I'm still stuck on getting this RTSP stream to work... I've created an m3u file: http://kr.scuznet.com/ipcam.m3u, which seems to work fine in vlc. I then try to scan for channels in myth-setup: http://kr.scuznet.com/files/temp/iptv/ss1.JPG which then sits forever at: http://kr.scuznet.com/files/temp/iptv/ss2.JPG, however the apache logs indicate that it did retrieve the m3u file. There are no errors shown in the console. Any su

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, ok, looks like we've got a packaging issue then. I'll get it fixed up

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CaCtus491:

Interestingly, the playlist for use with Myth at http://avenard.org/mythtv/playlist-tpg-myth.m3u contains URLs like: rtp://233.29.121.3:1234 (rather than my rtsp://192.168.15.9:8554/CH001.sdp), however I get the same behaviour with Jean-Yves' URL (I actually happen to use the same ISP and have access to those IPTV streams)

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skd5aner:

restoring is fun

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skd5aner:

man, this schema upgrade is SLOW... would be nice to warn the users and give progress if possible

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** skd5aner is an idiot for starting this at midnight... **

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skd5aner:

still going... at least 12 minutes on upgrading from 1302 to 1303... I'm guessing this might be the UTC stuff... and since my db is 8+ years old, I'm assuming it's got a lot to do

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skd5aner:

wooo hoo, done

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skd5aner:

2012-10–06 00:39:11.833584 C Upgrading to MythTV schema version 1302

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skd5aner:

2012-10–06 00:39:11.890121 C Upgrading to MythTV schema version 1303

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skd5aner:

2012-10–06 00:55:27.930454 C Upgrading to MythTV schema version 1304

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skd5aner:

2012-10–06 00:59:25.491637 C Upgrading to MythTV schema version 1305

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skd5aner:

oof, launcing mythfrontend is dreadful. just a blank screen that does give the user any indication that it, too, has to do a db backup.... looks frozen utnil it finally prompts and asks to upgrade the music schema

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skd5aner:

(after several minutes)

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Sharky112065:

J-e-f-f-A: no idea... I just followed the instructions and it worked. I do have the /dev/ceton directory.

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wizbit:

anyone recommend a movie?

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wagnerrp:

Manos – The Hands of Fate

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wagnerrp:

there's a good copy remastered by the Mystery Science Theater collection

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wizbit:

ace

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wizbit:

i like french movies too

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dekarl1:

CaCtus491: are you sure your backyard ipcam is streaming a proper MPEG-2 transport stream?

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CaCtus491:

dekarl: h264

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dekarl:

CaCtus491: that is not going to work as MythTV only does RTSP/RTP in the broadcast TV style atm

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dekarl:

maybe you can put a proxy in between that ancapsulates the H.264 in a proper MPEG-2 transport stream, maybe with VLC, similar to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Dekarl/How_to . . . ke_a_Freebox

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CaCtus491:

ahh, ok

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CaCtus491:

thanks

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dekarl:

CaCtus491: y/w, notice that the example turns the "live camera/radio feed" into a "live Video On Demand" stream to avoid consuming the cpu/network resources when no one is looking/recording. If you look at other examples on the net you'll likely find "Live Streaming" without the "on demand" part

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CaCtus491:

yeah, w/o myth involved I was using VLC to transcode the 14mbit stream to something I could stream over the net

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CaCtus491:

but it wasn't on demand, so I was logging in and starting up vlc each time I wanted to view it

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CaCtus491:

heh

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wizbit:

anyone recommend a decent bluray drive what has good linux support for firmware upgrades etc

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stuartm:

I can't recommend one, but you definitely want one that can take a modified firmware otherwise the drive will become useless for blu-ray playback because each time you insert a new release it will revoke the leaked host keys

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wizbit:

aye ok i will do some research, thanks

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stuartm:

fecking Blu-ray, HD-DVD was the better format :(

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wagnerrp:

and so cheap too

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wagnerrp:

ive got a stack of ~15 dead HDDVDs telling me they weren't the better format... :P

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stuartm:

you can still rip Blu-ray with any drive, but if you want to play back direct from the drive then it needs to be hackable

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wagnerrp:

well, not exactly

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wagnerrp:

you just need the keys

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wagnerrp:

and having a hackable drive means you can generate the keys yourself

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wagnerrp:

and it's all a wash for anything that uses BD+

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: it's the host key which is the problem, they keep revoking the leaked one and that's much harder to fix

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wagnerrp:

you mean the discs themselves are updating the drive with key revocation information?

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stuartm:

I've been unable to source a working host key for months now, that means even my really old Blu-rays which used to work now won't play

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: yes

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wagnerrp:

fun

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stuartm:

the host key being the one they give to the application, revoke that key and WinDVD or whatever can no longer play any disc, linux playback relies on leaked host keys but most of those in circulation have already been revoked

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wagnerrp:

any idea why we're running the housekeeper on backends that are not the master?

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: I can't remember any specific reason, but there was a plan at some stage for the housekeeper to operate on all frontends/backends performing a variety of background tasks and not just those which are specifically hardcoded for the master

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wagnerrp:

i mean the only thing it does is run JobQueueRecover, which only needs to be run once on startup

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wagnerrp:

yeah, im working on implementing that currently

[11:07:01]

wagnerrp:

have had it written mostly for a couple months

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wagnerrp:

but was waiting for the 0.27 cycle to commit it

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wagnerrp:

its going to require a schema update... think i should hold off on that a few days to make backports easier?

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wagnerrp:

crap, i just realized this is going to have a nasty issue with race conditions

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wagnerrp:

im going to have to use the master backend as mitigater to make sure a backend and frontend aren't trying to do the same thing

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: two schools of thought on whether big changes should go in this early, I say go for it, especially with shorter cycles the earlier the changes go in the more testing they can receive

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stuartm:

the only real concern are users who have been running a 0.26 beta/RC tag and who accidentally end up continuing on master instead of switching to the release branch (happens to a few people each time)

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stuartm:

hmm, good argument there for branching before the beta/RC instead of afterwards

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Tobbe5178:

since i upgraded to 0.26 i'm getting the following in the backend log:

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Tobbe5178:

MythSocket(9051158:102): writeStringList: Error, No data written on writeBlock (930 errors)

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Tobbe5178:

starts with: 45 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]SCHEDULE_CHANGE[]:[]empty

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Tobbe5178:

why is that?

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Tobbe5178:

it repeats about once every few minutes

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Tobbe5178:

about once every 5 minutes most of the time

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stuartm:

gigem: ^^

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gpd:

my BBC HD has stopped recording – should I just do a rescan or is something else likely problem?

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gpd:

also – is there a way to store the scan settings?

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stuartm:

try rescanning, they changed fec/modulation just over a week ago

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wizbit:

grr how many more changes will there be to freeview

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stuartm:

wizbit: these should be the last for a while

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stuartm:

blame Sky

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wizbit:

my channels seem fine at the moment, ill leave it

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wizbit:

maybe it didnt effect crystal palace

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stuartm:

wizbit: it was only a renumbering

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stuartm:

wizbit: the problem gpd had was with Freesat

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wizbit:

oh ok, i only use dvb-t

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wizbit:

have you ever experienced a backend crash when there is no preview for a recording, ie the recording is B

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wizbit:

previewgen crashes, what then crashes the backend

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wizbit:

it happens when you view recordings on a frontend, and 1 recording has no preview

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gpd:

thanks guys – rescanning my dvb-s2 channels now

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gpd:

maybe this time I'll get the channel numbers sorted out

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gpd:

is there a way to tell if a channel is working from the Chanel Editor?

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gpd:

OR can I delete a channel without having to quit frontend and start mythtv-setup?

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gpd:

for example – i now have two BBC HD on the DVB-S2 card – one works one doesn't for some reason

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Sharky112065:

hmmm. wiki said no prerequisite changes going from 0.25 to 0.26 but ./configure says I do not have libuuid-dev.

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lautriv:

gpd, regular desktop ?

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Sharky112065:

who updates the wiki?

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lautriv:

hey there ;) im about to configure a new Remotecontrol which is handled as a hid-device. now i need to get some glue, if i go into the frontend-setup to global mappings and see an option like "HANDLEMEDIA" can i literally map the namespace "KEY_HANDLEMEDIA" to this event ?

[16:17:23]

gpd:

lautriv: but mythtv-setup requires backend stopped...

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Sharky112065:

[354fd02]: Add check for libuuid in top-level configure

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Sharky112065:

yet it is not at the top listed under "Prerequisite Changes "

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gpd:

can i just delete from channel table in mysql directly?

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lautriv:

gpd, it needs to be stopped if you would scan something (using devices), for a channel-deletion you can select "continue without stopping backend" delete that chan and do a mythfilldatabase late on.

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Sharky112065:

gpd: i have deleted multiple chanels in mysql that were not needed. so you could.

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Sharky112065:

but backup your database first...

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lautriv:

hey kormoc ;)

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gpd:

ok – thanks – still confused as to why i have lots of channels that don't seem to be recognised – e.g. no EIT or other info

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Sharky112065:

gpd: for example, I have two ceton cards and 3 hdhomerun dual's I deleted the unused hdhomerun dual's channels in the database/mysql/mythconverg because there is no easy toggle in mythtv-setup...

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gpd:

some are Red button – but others are standard bbc1/etc

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lautriv:

gpd, usual. there are plenty of spares,testing,scrambled etc.

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gpd:

ok- i'll do some rationalisation

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lautriv:

gpd, this is usually the most timewasting part, getting you chan-selection from DVB can easily take a few hours ;)

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gpd:

lautriv: I wouldn't mind but i did this about a month ago – and something changed

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gpd:

which meant that some HD channels went walkabout

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lautriv:

gpd, there was a massive change on many channels since Europe cancelled analog services.

[16:26:31]

** lautriv went out with his dogs in the hope someone with an idea of keymappings slaps in meanwhile. **

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gpd:

ah – ok – makes sense

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kormoc:

morning lautriv

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gpd:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_on_Mac_-_Build_status

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gpd:

looks like i shouldn't have updated to 0.26...

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gpd:

0.25 mythfronent on OSX not compatible and no binary release yet. oh dear.

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Sharky112065:

I should not have upgraded either. I am having issues compiling 0.26/fixes. Had no issues with 0.25/Fixes :(

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wizbit:

would it be a good idea for me to fork mythtv and re-invent the wheel?

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Sharky112065:

and Im not on OSX

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bill6502:

Sharky111065: skd5aner spotted the missing libuuid last night and I added it. To answer your "who updates the Wiki" question, anyone that wants to. But I'll take the hit for that one.

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Sharky112065:

bill6502: ok, as long as the proper person knows :) thanks.

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Sharky112065:

Anyone here that can help me with a compile problem on mythtv Fixes/0.26? http://pastebin.com/kCysNka3

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jrb^:

greetings!

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jrb^:

I was wondering if anyone knew if new versions of .25, and for .26 for the front end and back end would be made for mac os x and put on source forge for download?

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jrb^:

currently they are from the June time frame.

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Sharky112065:

updated pastebin post. had funny char's... http://pastebin.com/kCysNka3

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Sharky112065:

I had a feeling that I would be on my own today. I should have stayed on Fixes/0.25

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bill6502:

Sharky112065: Have you tried with just --enable-proc-opt? Only asking because I don't use --disable-distcc (and have no clue what it does.)

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Sharky112065:

bill6502: distcc is for cross compiling on multiple computers

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Tobbe5178:

i'm getting lots of writeStringList errors from the backend after upgrading to 0.26

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Tobbe5178:

any idea why?

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bill6502:

Sharky112065: Thanks, would --disable-crystalhd get you past those errors? Assuming you don't need it.

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Sharky112065:

bill6502: probably, ill have to look up what it is to find out if I need it

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lautriv:

ok, once again ......im about to configure a new Remotecontrol which is handled as a hid-device. now i need to get some glue, if i go into the frontend-setup to global mappings and see an option like "HANDLEMEDIA" can i literally map the namespace "KEY_HANDLEMEDIA" to this event ?

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bill6502:

Sharky112065: Are you using Nvidia graphics – then you don't (I don't need it, but don't disable it either and build with no errors.)

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bill6502:

s/graphics/video/

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Sharky112065:

bill6502: looks like it is for a Broadcom video accelerator chip. Checking my MB manual to make sure I do not have it.

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gpd:

hmm. channelscan shows Channel 4 HD but can't find it in channel table. can i manually hack it in there?

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Sharky112065:

bill6502: yes on Nvidia

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Sharky112065:

bill6502: ill try to build without it. but should find out why it is failing.

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lautriv:

gpd, tried that, will kill your DB because the lack of indexes and if you apply multiple changes at once, it will be messed also. best bet is a partial/full scan.

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gpd:

urgh

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Sharky112065:

bill6502: I checked my personal documentation and before on 0.25 it disabled crystalhd by default. I think I remember reading on the wiki that they turn all of them on by default now. Still compiling, will let you know. thanks

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Sharky112065:

I know one thing... there is a bottle of vodka with my name on it after I'm done upgrading and testing.

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Sharky112065:

bill6502: success! thank you.

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bill6502:

Sharky112065: NP, hopefully, that bottle isn't a full one ;)

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Sharky112065:

Half Galon. And still half left

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Sharky112065:

is it mythtv-setup that updates the database or mythbackend? Which one do I run first.

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bill6502:

Both will (or so I've read.) I always forget to try mythtv-setup and fire up the backend first.

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Sharky112065:

yeah they both do. I did setup first and it upgraded some of it then mythfrontend did the music db

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lautriv:

anyone used to hid_mapper ?

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Sharky112065:

I don't. not helpful, but at least you know someone saw it :*

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Sharky112065:

:(

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frontrange:

With Myth-25, how to you scan IMDB and update database after adding a movie??

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trumee:

where can i find 0.26 ebuilds for gentoo?

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dekarl:

frontrange: there is no grabber for imdb (theoretically you could write an offline grabber with the database dumps) usualy you'll scan themoviedb and thetvdb instead, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Enhancing_Recordin . . . adata_Lookup and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Video_Library#Metadata_Lookup

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frontrange:

OK, Thanks!

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gpd:

are these the correct settings for DVB-S2 HD channels still?

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gpd:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_freesat.php

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gpd:

this page has different values

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gpd:

http://www.techradar.com/news/television/how- . . . -dvr-1094838

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Sharky112065:

YES! finally... Repeats: ==> "Record new episodes only" and "Record new and Repeat episodes" Woot.

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Sharky112065:

much simpler

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tgm4883:

What is the best way to get a patch committed to the git packaging repo when superm1 isn't around? Nobody else on our team has access

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stuartm:

we can look at adding you to the access list, can you post a request to the -dev list?

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tgm4883:

stuartm, yea I can do that. How long does that usually take? I need to get this committed in the next 4 hours or disable our daily builds

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stuartm:

sorting access might take longer than that, Beirdo needs to sort it out, I can apply the patch before then if you open a ticket

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tgm4883:

stuartm, ok will do. thanks

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tgm4883:

stuartm, ok, bug filed and patch attached at http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11150

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tgm4883:

please let me know if it needs anything else

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Sharky112065:

nice, everything is working great on fixes/0.26 upgrade. Time to hit that bottle now :P

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stuartm:

the cheque covering the filing and quick response fees?

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tgm4883:

stuartm, I don't know what a cheque is, cause 'Merica

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stuartm:

ok pushed to master and fixes

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tgm4883:

stuartm, awesome, thanks

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lautriv:

any infrared guru around ?

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justinh:

we should all be masters of the lirc by now, shouldn't we? ;-)

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justinh:

I need to get my myth backend doing blasting duties. Tired of getting 'stuck' nowhere near a remote & the telly being left on 'live' when a soap comes on. I could just reach into my back pocket, run an app & zap away

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justinh:

gotta find time to dist-upgrade if I want 0.26

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lautriv:

still no infrared/lirc guru around ?

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justinh:

lautriv: many of us here know our lirc

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MrGeraaf:

ahh thats why i didn't get updates. i guess i'll just reinstall my server then =)

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justinh:

lautriv: just ask a question. asking to ask is a bit... hmmmm

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justinh:

MrGeraaf: FWIW I don't reinstall or dist-upgrade in general. I sooner grab a fresh HDD for /, and install fresh

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justinh:

that way there's always the old disk to go back to ;-)

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MrGeraaf:

ahhh i see, thats clever ^^

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lautriv:

justinh, i was used to lirc since a long time and it worked well with homebrew electronic but now i try to get an aureal usb thingie up and this breaks anything because it's a hid with wrong mapping and his_mapper won't do the trick and lirc is not even recognising the device because it will be claimed on startup.

[19:58:58]

justinh:

anyway hasn't lirc got its own channel yet, STILL?

[19:59:19]

justinh:

lautriv: get some udev magic onto the job

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lautriv:

justinh, and yes, the have a channel, with actually 15 silent members.

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justinh:

heheheh

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lautriv:

justinh, udev may prevent the autoload but lirc will not magically take over.

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mattwj2002:

hi all

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justinh:

lautriv: this one of those 'MCE' lookeylikeys from the fleabay?

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justinh:

anyway from my first google hit it seems like 'all' you need to do is ue lirc with driver=devinput and device=/dev/input/whatever.. no?

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jrb^:

greetings all! checking in again regarding v .26 builds for mac os x.. Any one know if they might be coming to a source forge near us!?

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lautriv:

justinh, W-01RN USB_V3.1 0755:2626 no idea if that is on ebay. lirc has a driver named atfw83 but does nothing.

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justinh:

lautriv: apparently using devinput is what you need to do for anything that makes itself look like a keyboard

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justinh:

I'll eventually need to bin my homebrew serial receiver.. serial ports are just about nonexistent on boards now

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jrb^:

justinh, There are always usb to rs232 adapters that'll work

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lautriv:

justinh, LIRC :Driver `devinput' not supported.

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justinh:

jrb^: no, you can't use the vast majority of usb to rs232 adapters

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justinh:

about the only USB-serial converter you can use for lirc is based on a FTDI chip

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jrb^:

hmm.. so the lirc devinput drivers don't like the converter?

[20:15:38]

justinh:

no, the converters don't act like a proper UART

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lautriv:

jrb^, because lirc makes use of alternate pinout.

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jrb^:

interesting

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justinh:

be possible if you used a USB-serial converter connected to a micro which is doing the IR reception, which also decodes the IR signals & turns them into a data stream

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justinh:

i.e. outputs characters instead

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jrb^:

so they aren't using true rs232 then?

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justinh:

no, it's just that the USB adapters aren't like a proper UART

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jrb^:

o

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justinh:

lautriv: so lirc won't work with the devinput driver? who'd compile it without that?

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justinh:

lautriv: oh, IIRC *buntu does a lirc compile on the fly at install time

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justinh:

so you prolly just have to do a dpkg-reconfigure lirc then

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lautriv:

justinh, who cares about *ntu ?

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justinh:

well, you never mentioned what you use

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justinh:

lots of people use *buntu

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lautriv:

justinh, auto-misconfiguration leaded to this ugly behaviour.

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justinh:

well, on debian based system lirc installs you can get around it with dpkg-reconfigure

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lautriv:

justinh, the primary issue is the noob-friendly default where a regular system claims and uses things before someone tuned it, same counts for udev, feels almighty and one need to write even more bloat to disable it instead configure it on demand.

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justinh:

stop moaning, or use a distro where you have to configure *everything* yourself :-P

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lautriv:

justinh, show me one, these days :P

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justinh:

OpenSuSE, RHEL... CentOS... probably still gentoo, too

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justinh:

Slack!

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lautriv:

they all use udev and avahi and ...

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lautriv:

slack lacks on PAM

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justinh:

oh, you installed a server program like apache? you want it to start? Instead of assuming you'd want to run it after installing I won't run it or even configure it to start just yet. that's *your* job, user

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justinh:

btw is there quite an easy way to tell which 'mce remote' is which? Seeing some pretty cheap ones on Ebay but umm... no idea if they'll 'just work' or not

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lautriv:

justinh, if you install apache, you have to configure it, a "IT works" is no configuration.

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justinh:

or is it altogether better to stick to known brands?

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justinh:

lautriv: for most things there's not much config involved

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justinh:

anyway – don't you *want* the device to be picked up as a HID? It kinda is

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justinh:

if you get lirc working with devinput it should be ok

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lautriv:

justinh, no need for a specific brand ( most are even the same ) but a need for a proper mapper ( my actual issue)

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justinh:

so where did you get lirc?

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justinh:

you need to find out how to reconfigure it to make devinput work

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justinh:

some distros compile it after asking the user what kind of remote setup they've got

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justinh:

*buntu does.. others may also do that

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lautriv:

*ntu may configure lirc on demand which is no magic ( even stolen from debian) but it does not prevent udev.

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justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

this is reminding me of talking to my company's engineers in the US last week. They weren't hearing what I was saying either

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justinh:

so your IR receiver ends up being 'seen' as a keyboard type HID.. with lirc's devinput you can work with that

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justinh:

so you don't actually *need* a lirc driver for whatever chip it uses

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lautriv:

the matter is not the driver..............the matter is the MAPPING of keys to the proper namespace used by myth.

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justinh:

that's what lirc can get around if you use devinput

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justinh:

http://old.nabble.com/USB-MCE-like-remote-td26442064.html

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trumee:

so i tried to build 0.26 via source in the absence of gentoo ebuilds. mythtv-setup failed to start, http://pastie.org/4924344

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justinh:

trumee: ooo segfaulty

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Beirdo:

tgm4883: if you send me the SSH public key you will be using for commits, I can get you setup reasonably quickly

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justinh:

trumee: well, since you're building from source, enabling debugging symbols is a good idea

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justinh:

trumee: that log doesn't really *say* anything but the error parsing the xml file may be a clue

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trumee:

justinh: my config.xml is empty

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justinh:

even if the config xml file is borked it shouldn't segfault

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justinh:

strike now, enable a debugging build, rebuild.. run under gdb...

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justinh:

the project needs your experiences

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justinh:

man, wth is up with amazon's product search?

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stuartm:

?

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justinh:

tried searching for 'mce remote', media centre remote... it's giving me helicopters, wireless keyboards...

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justinh:

yeah *some* IR stuff is in there but not much that looks like an IR remote & USB receiver

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stuartm:

ah

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stuartm:

those proper MCE remotes had become very rare last time I searched

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stuartm:

in fact I couldn't find anyone selling new kits

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justinh:

I reckon I could be ok with the 'HP' ones, but the receiver is pretty big

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justinh:

HAHAHAHAHA http://dx.com/p/super-compact-media-center-ir . . . -9877?item=1

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stuartm:

I'll miss my MCE remotes when I have to replace them, but at least I'll still have the receivers

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justinh:

it's only a receiver I want actually

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justinh:

might be worth a punt: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-HP-USB-MCE-REMO . . . em2c668fba9a

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wizbit:

i feel like access mysql and viewing mythconverg information directly just to see what it looks like

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wizbit:

is there a risk of damage if i do that

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justinh:

no comment

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justinh:

even if you damaged the database somehow you'd be alright though, since you back up the database every day

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jrb^:

justinh, I have that HP remote, and it works well as an mce remote clone

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justinh:

*if* it's really by HP

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justinh:

don't trust these Chinese

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trumee:

justinh: i am back on 0.25, downtime on 0.26 wasnt good

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jrb^:

mine is.

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jrb^:

it is stamped hp

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justinh:

trumee: you build from source. you should have got a backtrace

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jrb^:

and the hp remote indicates RC 6 on the back

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trumee:

justinh: i will build it again with a debug trace

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justinh:

jrb^: the Chinese can stamp anything they want on stuff. Even CE marks. It doesn't mean a thing

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justinh:

oh, you used a trademark without permission? Who are you? Where are you from? Oh wait..

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jrb^:

true. I got mine off amazon

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justinh:

so? that doesn't count for much since they started allowing other sellers on there

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justinh:

sadly

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Sharky112065:

In upgrading from .025 to .026 pause and forward no longer advances frame by frame. Is this a bug or is there a setting that I have to change in the new version?

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justinh:

I don't care if it's a clone of something or not, so long as it works

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jrb^:

true

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justinh:

hahaha some of the amazon ones.. some customers who bought this also bought.. another 'mce remote package'. Speaks volumes methinks

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justinh:

Holy cow! Gyration media suite.. £189 !!!! :-O

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Sharky112065:

crap. everyting I google dosent return what im looking for. guess ill make a ticket and get an answer that way.

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justinh:

did the default keybindings change?

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justinh:

check your keybindings

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justinh:

mind, still adv & rewind don't work well on my 0.25 installation right now. I can't edit recordings

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justinh:

think it's to do with a combination of (crappy) Intel video & deinterlacer

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justinh:

hadn't reported it because I didn't even know about it til a few days ago

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trumee:

xbmc youtube support is lightyears ahead of mythtv. mythnetvision doesnt cut it :(

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stuartm:

trumee: that's only because people like you decided to do something about it, MNV isn't a finished product, if people showed initiative and worked on improving it then there is no reason why it couldn't be just as good as XBMC

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justinh:

I've never bothered MNV. Flash sucks on Intel

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trumee:

justinh: exactly, youtube via flash is horrible experience. xbmc doesnt use flash and that rocks.

[22:01:52]

justinh:

trumee: a lot of what makes XBMC addons 'better' is choosing to ignore sites T&Cs

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justinh:

youtube don't like people linking to streams

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justinh:

or 'ripping'

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rumblebumble:

HI Guys, working am working onfixing my dads mythbox. When I upgraded, the front end does no connect to the backend. I think there is a passwrod problem with mysql. I am using mythbuntu12.04. Is the an easly way to find this. I know my root mysql password as well.

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stuartm:

trumee: if they are only using http streaming (which we support) then I guess you don't get all the content?

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trumee:

justinh: not saying what xbmc is doing is right. But xbmc has probably bigger userbase than myth, and youtube must be aware of it. Heck, the xbmc youtube code is actuall on google servers.

[22:04:05]

stuartm:

flash just sucks and personally I don't see the point of youtube, so I've no reason to spend my time on MNV, but in open source the quality of an app/component is directly proportional to the number of people interested in (and therefore contributing their time to working on it)

[22:04:42]

justinh:

BBC iPlayer is exactly the same. uses flash, and everyone is bound by T&Cs to also use Flash... so it sucks

[22:05:11]

rumblebumble:

Any help is appreciated, I think i need to better understand how this works, any direction or links will be appreciated.

[22:05:14]

stuartm:

justinh: I'll be committing the iplayer through MHEG stuff for 0.27

[22:05:18]

trumee:

how about my Sony smart tv, it has very good youtube support?

[22:05:23]

justinh:

trumee: maybe youtube are looking for ways to block it already

[22:05:35]

justinh:

trumee: but it isn't 'ripping' the site

[22:05:56]

stuartm:

now that can't use DRM, which makes it very interesting, although T&Cs would prevent us wrapping it with a better UI than MHEG

[22:05:57]

trumee:

justinh: dont think Sony tv is using flash.

[22:06:25]

stuartm:

trumee: they use a private API and DRM (for some stuff)

[22:06:31]

justinh:

sometimes I think a project should be able to say "meh" to T&Cs

[22:07:22]

justinh:

in some cases mythtv probably could do that, but it wouldn't be right to be inconsistent

[22:07:28]

stuartm:

youtube do provide an API to hardware manufacturers, it's just not available to software devs and especially not open source apps atm

[22:08:02]

justinh:

and decompiling software to find out how it works contravenes the DMCA now, right :D

[22:08:29]

justinh:

as no doubt eventually, sniffing network connections will be too

[22:08:32]

[22:08:54]

stuartm:

no doubt they use a private key exchange, so that won't get you very far

[22:09:38]

justinh:

rumblebumble: try logging into the mysql server with the mythtv username.. and if you can't find out or guess the password just change it – you know the root mysql password after all

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stuartm:

don't forget that hardware manufacturers are paying for the privilege, Google lose out on ad revenue for every use who accesses the video streams directly as opposed to through their site/player

[22:10:17]

rumblebumble:

justinh, Thanks, I will give that a try

[22:10:59]

justinh:

rumblebumble: don't forget to update the password settings on the backend and frontend if you change it mind!

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justinh:

which is why they don't want anybody playing the streams directly, mostly

[22:11:32]

stuartm:

since the only thing that Google actually make money from are adverts, they'll do whatever they can to make sure you see them

[22:11:44]

justinh:

the irony.. making loads of money from providing material that isn't even their own, or even paid for by themselves

[22:11:58]

stuartm:

justinh: oh, it's completely parasitic :)

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justinh:

I still wanna know how many *unique* videos it has

[22:12:42]

** justinh has always preferred vimeo **

[22:12:53]

justinh:

better quality from the outset.

[22:13:13]

stuartm:

I still want to know how many videos are actually worth my time, I suspect that I can count that high ;)

[22:13:37]

stuartm:

on my fingers even

[22:13:53]

justinh:

I was trying to track down some old music tracks last weekend – to determine the exact version I needed I checked out some youtube videos.. and boy the audio was crappy. To think people 'rip' from there.. it sounded like a tape of a tape of a tape of a tape

[22:14:00]

justinh:

over a mobile phone connection

[22:14:13]

justinh:

even on my knackered old ears

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justinh:

BTW I just bought two 'HP' MCE remote receiver/blaster boxen from the fleabay... coming from HK :-)

[22:16:14]

justinh:

I'll likely just bin the remotes when the kits arrive

[22:16:24]

stuartm:

yeah, on a similar theme, I can't really understand the obsession with streaming video myself – we've all gone out and bought expensive new televisions boasting 1080p and high refresh rates and now everyone wants to watch their shows in a lousy, low quality/bitrate and mediocre bitrate internet stream? WTF?

[22:16:24]

justinh:

after confirming the receivers work that is

[22:16:47]

justinh:

stuartm: oh you'd be surprised how good internet teevees can look on these smart tellies

[22:17:10]

justinh:

BBC iplayer looks indistinguishable from broadcast on the things I checked out

[22:17:11]

stuartm:

justinh: I'd be very surprised to be honest

[22:17:32]

justinh:

and this was over my work's internet connection so unlikely to be a 'special' stream

[22:17:50]

justinh:

need to wireshark it to be absolutely certain though

[22:18:23]

stuartm:

everyone got upset when the BBC dropped their HD bitrate from 20Mbps to 9Mbps, the average internet streaming video is what, 1Mbps if that?

[22:18:26]

justinh:

put it this way, a laptop showing the same content on a much smaller screen.. looked.. er.. yucky, yet the 32" LCD looked watchable

[22:18:54]

justinh:

and this was both on the 'HQ' version

[22:19:08]

justinh:

the telly is allegedly doing some mighty processing to ungrunge it

[22:19:28]

justinh:

didn't look as bad as even ITV1 broadcast ;-)

[22:19:45]

stuartm:

it would have to be, almost CSI type scifi processing

[22:20:05]

justinh:

stuartm: to put it another way, it impressed *ME* ;-)

[22:20:36]

justinh:

i.e. "holy crap, this actually looks watchable!" stands back in amazement, then gets real close to look for artifacts

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stuartm:

of course the question is, if it can make internet content look good, why can't it do the same for the compressed to hell SD stuff on Freeview? (Which *still* has a higher bitrate than internet streams)

[22:21:12]

justinh:

hahaha

[22:21:15]

justinh:

this Bravia can

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stuartm:

hmm, might have to get a new TV then ;)

[22:21:54]

justinh:

even the UI is actually quite nice

[22:22:03]

stuartm:

actually, I'd love to see that tech in VDPAU

[22:22:18]

justinh:

network shares are still one frickin big list though :-\

[22:22:23]

justinh:

or a boring old folder view

[22:22:31]

justinh:

metadata, guys!

[22:22:47]

justinh:

they need to get metadata into the DLNA spec, stat

[22:23:28]

stuartm:

mythtv's upnp sucks, I didn't realise until I tried it for the first time a few weeks ago – no structure, lacking metadata and the stupid thing is it's so easy to fix

[22:23:55]

justinh:

stuartm: you mean VDPAU doesn't de-ring / de-block?

[22:24:30]

stuartm:

justinh: might have some filters that we don't enable by default

[22:24:56]

stuartm:

it does de-blocking but only what the codecs call for

[22:25:07]

justinh:

I think the Bravia 'super picture engine' or whatever they call it, does a fair bit more too

[22:25:17]

stuartm:

no post-decode image processing

[22:25:17]

justinh:

mosquito filtering ftw!

[22:25:50]

stuartm:

chances are I'd need a more powerful GPU though

[22:26:02]

justinh:

is there even much in software to do that sort of stuff?

[22:26:08]

justinh:

free software, I mean?

[22:27:20]

justinh:

wouldn't it be ironic if the 4G auction results in better than broadcast Q stuff for all? ;-)

[22:27:32]

stuartm:

nothing I've ever heard of, but that doesn't mean much, I don't get out much

[22:28:02]

justinh:

is anything can I'd expect ffmpeg or whatever the hell they call it now can

[22:28:06]

justinh:

s/is/if

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stuartm:

justinh: ironic, depressing, sure there are lots of words to describe that situation

[22:28:28]

justinh:

that's going to cause me a headache at work very soon I expect

[22:28:49]

justinh:

our app calls ffmpeg. not avconv

[22:30:55]

justinh:

stuartm: hey maybe one day soon a lot of the freeview crufty channels will fold :D

[22:31:18]

justinh:

but sadly as with DAB I doubt the end result would be a net bitrate hike

[22:32:10]

justinh:

not that it's all about bitrates. ITV1's bitrate isn't that far from what the BBC uses and yet... anything that fades to black on ITV1 looks awful

[22:49:21]

wizbit:

justinh: have you seen this beast of a card: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TBS6284

[23:00:32]

justinh:

I'm not in the market for new tuners

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Sharky112065:

justinh: I do not think it is key bindings because while paused, when I hit the forward key it shows "Forward" at the little blue bar. It just no longer advances frame by frame while paused.

[23:22:51]

justinh:

used to say frame advance didn't it?

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Sharky112065:

justinh: I do not remember what it said, because Inever really looked before as it was working

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Sharky112065:

What I do know is that on .025 when not paused it wold skip ahead a good amount, and while paused it would advance a frame at a time when the forward key was pressed. That no longer is the case on .026

[23:25:25]

Sharky112065:

forward key both times, paused and not paused

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** justinh goes to look **

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Sharky112065:

im gonna miss that functionality while watching the football game tomorrow

[23:27:52]

justinh:

I'm lucky. I can live my life without ever feeling the need to watch sport :-)

[23:28:02]

Sharky112065:

on my remote it is the area that is up down left right keys. so right

[23:28:24]

Sharky112065:

with the ok button in the middle

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justinh:

yeah but what key have you set lirc to say those buttons are?

[23:28:41]

Sharky112065:

sec ill try to find the printout I made long ago

[23:29:09]

justinh:

just cat the lircrc file :-)

[23:29:25]

justinh:

not into this channel though, eh

[23:29:48]

justinh:

yeah myth says 'forward' whether it's frame advance or a jump fwd (whose default is 30 secs)

[23:29:56]

justinh:

and that's on the right arrow key

[23:30:04]

justinh:

that's on .25 btw

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Sharky112065:

EventRight

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Sharky112065:

opps wrong one sed

[23:31:41]

Sharky112065:

button right, config=right

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justinh:

so what does it do when you're paused.. is it going forwards 30 secs?

[23:33:26]

Sharky112065:

begin; prog = mythtv; button = RIGHT; repeat = 3; config = Right

[23:33:54]

Sharky112065:

when not paused forward 30 sec, when paused just says forward on the bar and does nothing

[23:34:06]

Sharky112065:

can hit it multiple times or hold it and still nothing

[23:34:27]

Sharky112065:

worked great in .025

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Sharky112065:

0.25

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justinh:

then when you unpause has it progressed or...?

[23:35:02]

Sharky112065:

nope

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Sharky112065:

just starts playing again

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justinh:

from exactly when you paused it?

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Sharky112065:

yes

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justinh:

maybe your seektables are hosed

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Sharky112065:

for every thing?

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Sharky112065:

I could start a new recording and try it, but I recorded stuff last night and it does the same thing and I checked the database status today before upgrade

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justinh:

with mysqlcheck?

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Sharky112065:

wiht mythweb

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Sharky112065:

just did a new recording and it still does it, so prob not seek tables

[23:40:43]

Sharky112065:

gonna do an extended check now

[23:41:51]

Sharky112065:

justinh: does it work for you on 0.26?

[23:42:15]

justinh:

I'm not on 0.26 yet. Have to dist-upgrade first. Grrr

[23:42:42]

Sharky112065:

why? dependancies did not change

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Sharky112065:

justinh: extended check all ok

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justinh:

oh but they did

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Sharky112065:

from 0.25?

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Sharky112065:

only diff is uuid-dev needs to be installed

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justinh:

I want HLS when I upgrade, so need a newer x264

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Sharky112065:

what is HLS and x264?

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Sharky112065:

ah. http Live Streaming Recorder?

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Sharky112065:

H.264?

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Sharky112065:

I really need a 0.26 user to verify if it is broken before I create a ticket. I do not want to make a ticket if it is something only effecting me.

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